Desmond goes back to the future
I have really nothing to say about this week’s episode except: WTF?
If anyone cares to share their insight it would be much appreciated!
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Dude- that’s just being lazy, maybe you should go write for the show. If you need another day to come up with something interesting to say, just take your time.
Anyway, at first I was like: Hmm… the idea of Desmond becoming “unstuck in time” kinda’ ties in with the whole Steven Hawking/em field thing. I can go with this…
BUT THEN: (and just like J-lo, it’s a BIG but…)
What’s up with the Oracle from the Matrix showing up in the form of Mary Poppin’s Grandma? That was incredibly lame. Plus, jeez a guy in red shoes gets crushed under a house- what an incredibly brilliant Wizard of Oz referrance. How clever & original!! Not to mention the fact that back on the island- NOTHING F**KING HAPPENED, AGAIN!!! The plot has absolutely stood still this entire season (in fact if your Desmond, it moved backwards). At least during the first two seasons, stuff actually happened more than once every four of five episodes. And once again, the big promise: “Wait ’til next week, we’re gonna’ tell ya everything!!!” Frickin’ liars!!!
I agree, totally lazy. But see, you came through with a great post.
Well, I do appreciate yr honesty!
It was watchable, a huge improvement over the last seven episodes. A shame it doesn’t have anything to do with everything we have seen so far.
Them scientists is all messin’ with black holes and whatnot. The island is strange because folks is pokin’ the black holes.
That was the best episode that they have had since the first season. This is primarily due to the fact that it had nothing to do with Lost. It still sucked, but at least none of the other characters were in it.
ha! you’re right!
i am a big fan of this show. i think this episode is just the point where lost is becoming more like it was in the beginning. this episode didnt show on-island action but it gave as some answers.
first it made us think desmound had time travel but by the end it was clear that this all was a dream the smoke has put desmond into and came as an oracle to ensure him that there is no point to save people from death, so desmond wouldn’t spoil his plan.
its interesting how they resolve this whole fate thing in the future episodes.
i think this episode is just the point where lost is becoming more like it was in the beginning. Well i even noticed how much less staring was in todays episode (might producers be reading tylers 10 reasons)
lost is a great show.
I don’t see how it was “clear” in the end it was all a dream at all. I think he has literally become unstuck in time somehow. Otherwise how do you explain seeing the future too? He seems to be jumping around the time line quite literally.
Plus, who the fudge is “the smoke”? I mean, I know you mean that black boiling fuzz that killed Eko; but does it have a mind of its own? I think you’re over simplifying things way too much.
Also from what I recall, the beginning of Lost took place ON THE FRICKIN’ ISLAND. The flashbacks (which by the way I enjoyed early on in the show) have gotten progressively longer, until last nights episode was nothing but flashback.
“The flashbacks (which by the way I enjoyed early on in the show) have gotten progressively longer, until last nights episode was nothing but flashback. ”
yep.
also, I think the show creates this pattern where it manufactures minor questions (why can Des see the future?) which it then ‘answers’ within a few episodes. Meanwhile, the larger questions, that have been around for 2 years now, remain in suspension. I just don’t think it’s fair to give them credit (they pat themselves on the back enough) for answering questions they only generated in an immediately preceeding episode.
lol, i wonder if this guy feels the same way after the 2/21 episode.
“What’s up with the Oracle from the Matrix showing up in the form of Mary Poppin’s Grandma? ”
spot on, Nico. I thought the same thing. I actually thought the epi was ok. though not nearly good enough to bring me back around. But what nagged at me was that the whole “choice vs. fate” thing has been done (and far cooler and less overtly) in the Matrix!!! I think the recurring theme with LOST is that it isn’t original. It’s a bunch of previously used ideas (and sometimes copied scenes!) cobbled or mashed together. hmmm, maybe that’s what IS original about the show, it’s a mash-up of previously told stories.
anyway, I generally thought the epi was ok, but whatever ‘answers’ were contained in the epi seemed pretty minor to me.
[quote]I don’t see how it was “clear” in the end it was all a dream at all. I think he has literally become unstuck in time somehow. Otherwise how do you explain seeing the future too? He seems to be jumping around the time line quite literally.
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well the oracle behavior was very similar to that of the Yemi ghost, both seem to be generated by the smokey guy(either it has intelligence or controlled, we still can call it a stand alone character)
and what the point would be for smoke to be in desmonds past? it would be strange if it could travel into desmonds past. and is it wasn’t smoke then this is just too confusibg. as for future foreseeing, well, it not neccessary time travel into future, because such thing actually exists in real life. though hime saying “charlie i saw you die two times” probably disapproves this.
yet there is still a little possibility of time actual travel. this is why this show is so awesome ,it makes us discuss all this stuff and doubt. there are alot of good movies which you watch, but then have nothing to analize.
I just figured Charlie was too smacked out his head to remember. As for Desmond, the first time he lived out that scenario he wouldn’t have known Charlie, so he didn’t recognize him until he “came back” to that part of the timeline. I dunno’, those circular time arguments give me a headache!
this belongs a few posts down, sorry!
First, Lost is NOT a great show.
Nothing worse than copying something brilliant (The Matrix) and then doing so in such an amazingly lame manner.
I was at a loss for how ridiculously bad this episode was.
I think this story says it all:
http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/story/8778.html?tag=gumballs;img;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=gumballs
Yeah, blame the time slot. I’m sure that’s the only reason the ratings are at an all time low for the series.
…odds for the season..
Desmond finds a yellow brick road 5/1
Desmond has a flash back! 2/7
Echo comes back to life 7/1
Hurley loses weight 2,534/1
Jack wakes up after a coma and it was all a dream 2/1 *favourite*
If Charlie was meant to die, why did “The Island” resurrect him again in the first place? This is some sadistic f’n island.
This is sad. This is “Final Destination”, island style. Lost is lost. I for one was bored out of my mind! Desmond? Give us Locke and his connection with the island. This time travel is just going too far for me.
Tell me, how could Charlie have died saving Claire when he could not even hear Claire and made a point of it? All Desmond did was lead Charlie to Claire to where, then, I guess he could have died if he’d saved her but he didn’t!!? It’s ridiculous!
Why did Charlie think he needed to get Desmond drunk just to ask him questions? Just ask him! And why are all these people trusting Desmond? They don’t know him! Remember Ethan? For all they know, Desmond could be another Other. Yet, they act like they’ve known him all along. Also, shouldn’t Charlie, but for sure Desmond, have remembered each other, once they saw each other on the island for the first time (because of the time travel)?
Too many things don’t add up. Nothing will be truly solved with Lost. I agree, LOL, Johnny P. Jack wakes up from a coma and it was all a dream. Why? Because dreams don’t make sense most of the time and Lost won’t have to answer any questions!
“Lost” isn’t “Heroes”! And making Desmond psychic, doesn’t change that.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/16/tv.lostratings.ap/index.html
Cha-Ching!!! Tell us something we don’t know!!
hmm, very good points. I had wondered the same thing about why Des needed to be drunk. I think it’s a lame excuse for having that brand of whiskey initiate the flashback. very lame.
as for charlie drowning…I hadn’t thought of that. excellent point! how COULD charlie have drowned when he wouldn’t have BEEN there unless Des lead him there….it’s circular nonsense.
Not defending the lost Lost plot, but Desmond told Charlie and Hurley to follow him into the forest so he would be out of earshot of Claire’s drowning. Whether that was a conscious decision or not is undetermined.
that’s dumb…b/c then HE (Des) wouldn’t be near enough to save her, which almost happened.
i need that 38,000 dollar bottle of whiskey after this epi . ahh macallan (not mac cuchins) totaly worth 3 grand a sip .to bad desi didnt get the real stuff
it’s been two frikkin years and they still havent even told us the stupid island made Locke walk again.
On a side note, a 50 something year old man who has been paralized for many years falls out of a plane thousands of feet in the air, lands on a hard surface but he gets up and walks around as if he were walking all his life. But a 30 year old healthy 200lbs. black guy from Africa, who is probably used to fighting lions and sh@t in the serengheti gets killed by a dusty breeze.
just something i wanted to point out, for those who think the show has an actual plot.
umm, probably somebody would have started screaming, they weren’t that far, there was no part in the show that suggested they were far away. charlie assumed somebody would be screaming, but because Des ran back while somebody could have started a commotion, Charlie would have started running back to save her. Face it, thinking to you guys, is like kryptonite to superman, you are all idiots. Start being patient and just enjoy the storyline, they will answer because there is a timeline for the show. There are pills out there to solve your guys ADD.
you’re dumb. nobody could even SEE claire, let alone scream. Had Des not reached her when she did, she’d likely be dead.
this is all but a small nit we’re picking, you seem oblivious to the larger picture (and facts) that point to the show is simply poorly done.
Well you mormon, if I must explain to you why getting drunk will get more out of them, then you must be only 12. Getting drunk not only inhibits your balance, but it will more likely allow information out that you probably don’t want released. Have you ever watched shows or movies when people get drunk and say things they don’t want to be out in public. The bottle showing up is to show Desmond that he is meant to be there. They know him, and theres a reason why they pulled him there.
“Have you ever watched shows or movies when people get drunk and say things they don’t want to be out in public.”
ha! you’re dumb and funny. if it happens on television and in movies, it must be true. you crack me up.
“Mormon”? Let’s keep religious name calling off this board
lol
AGREED
I haven’t seen any of the post-hiatus episodes yet, but Johnny P – I’m totally putting my money on an alien landing, finding out “the Others” are really CIA plants, and everyone on the island discovering that they’re all physically related to one another.
Has Jack cried in any of the episodes so far? Because it just doesn’t feel like “Lost” anymore if Jack doesn’t cry at least once per show.
at first glance I thought you said post-coital episodes. hey, everyone has their rituals!
yes…aliens landing…i should have seen that one…if aliens keep taking desmond and reverse the polarity on their ion drives it could explain the time travel…
If this leads to an episode where Kate gets probed by the aliens, people might start watching the show again. Perhaps we’ve simply underestimated the direction this show is taking.
aha! THAT’S why they moved to a 10:00 time slot!
oh i was hoping it was because we were finally going to here someone say “somebody get me off this fucking island” but i was duped again
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As soon as I saw they were trying to deal with time travel in this episode I told my wife “this is going to be a train wreck.” Even smart shows / movies that deal with time travel end up making an error in the circular logic, let alone this lame attempt.
Plus, there’s nothing worse than copying something that was originally done brilliantly (The Matrix) and ending up with a horrible knock-off.
This episode was ridiculous and only served to further increase the speed of the downward spiral that is “Lost”.
On a funny note, over on one of the other sites, there seems to be a renewed outcry from Lost fans that those of us who realize how stupid the show is are really just not bright enough to follow along. But, I figure these are the same people who have no idea why it was an error that Charlie and Desmond didn’t know each other on the island after meeting on the street after Desmond “time traveled”. So, I won’t lose any sleep over it.
I think this story pretty much sums it up:
http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/story/8778.html?tag=gumballs;img;0&om_act=convert&om_clk=gumballs
I’m not rooting for the show to fail, but given the refusal of other ‘fans’, the producers, the actors, etc. etc. to acknowledge that they’ve screwed this up, I do enjoy throwing evidence in their mugs. Such as this headline from AP (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17174564/)
“Lost” crashed in the ratings this week, hitting an all-time low for a new episode.
how can they possibly say nothing is wrong when they’ve lost nearly 50% of their audience in less than 2 years??? (this time last year, 19.1m vs. 2/14’s 12.8m…I think I remember LOST topped out above 22m at the end of Season I or beginning of Season II)
That’s hilarious. At least we know where *your* head is at.
Looks like Lost ratings are finally starting to hit a slump as more people are realizing the pointlessness of the show:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/1401AP_TV_Lost_is_Lost.html
An entire episode consisting of what felt like an entire flashback. BORING!
I predict a lot more Desmond flashbacks and then he dies, Echo style.
if Jack has Ben held hostage why doesnt he just make him take everyone back home or at least back to civilization. He has all the leverage and all he gets for his friends is a 3 person bannana boat ride back to the place where all the crap started in the first place.
banana boat. excellent. I think para-sailing is soon to follow.
You are all idiots, Lost is the greatest show, and because of your A.D.D., you have no patients and want answers right away. How about you all sit back and follow the story rather then watching shows with doctors that have raging hormones or a detective solving the same cases over and over.
Of course I have no “patients”, I’m not a Doctor, nor do I play one on show about people stuck on a freaky island. Oh… you mean “patience”, sorry…
ha aha ha that was funny
For a good story, one would do better to read a book. In fact, one could read any of the dozens of books Lost has referenced or copied.
There was a time when this show was an acceptable substitute. At this point I’d rather the hormonal doctors.
exactly. it’s been pointed out here numerous times the varous rip-offs LOST claims as original. I think ‘fans’ confuse this cobbled together mess of other stories for a truly complex and compelling story.
Rob, isn’t ADD going a bit far? You Lost fanatics are the ones that need to calm down.
Watch the ep again. Charlie made it a point to ask Des how he knew Claire was drowning. Des said he heard her, then Charlie said that it was a mile away, so that was impossible. When they were in the forest, why didn’t Des just quietly leave so not to alarm Charlie, and cause him to follow him, therefore leading him into danger.
Why did Charlie even feel the need to get Des drunk? After spending time with Eko and Locke, why did Charlie get so freaked out over one (Hurley experienced the other incidents, not Charlie) mysterious incident? He didn’t try and get the other guys drunk to get info.
My theory is that in the series finale, we’ll see that the entire cast is in a mental facility, with a library of books surrounding them, including “The Wizard of Oz”, anything by Rousseau, and everything else the Lost writers have alluded to.
Won’t that be fun?
im sorry but you are late… that theory was rejected by the producers long ago…. as well as that they all died after the catastrophe. such things are just too obvious for such a deep-thought show like lost :/
Deep like backwards audio and stupid anagrams?
Here’s a spoiler: The evil dude who’s the leader of the “Others” — Eli or whatever, I can’t remember after so much “lost time” in the middle of the “season” — he’s Claire’s baby from the future.
There you go.
F**king genius man!! I think you’ve pegged it with that one!! If you get a nasty letter from some Disney attorney I guess we’ll know you’re right.
no doubt! again, the ‘fans’ are easily convinced that an anagram makes the show complex.
as for ben being clair’s baby…wouldn’t be surprised.
Lost’s luster has dyed faster than Anna Nicole Smtih. Every week less and less people are watching. The writers are pulling the most random shit out of their asses. At the rate their going their going to have to end the show like “Saint Elseware” by having it be a dream of some retarded kid.
p.s. the guy in the last episode who was forced to open the door to the guy who was strapped to the chair is in a good show. Its called “Its always sunny in Philadelphia,” and it has some of the best written comedy on television. Also check out House, its a better show, has higher ratings, better stories, better cast, more interesting, and if you miss one episode, you dont miss the entire season, like Lost or 24.
“Its always sunny in Philadelphia,” now that is a great show.
So if Desmond can see into the future do you think he might know if lost will actually have a plot anytime soon? I mean so far we know the following:
1) There on an island
2) There’s a second island
3) The other’s do weird freaky science experiments
That’s it. The only interesting things so far are Ekko and his redemption (he’s now dead so that’s over), Libby being in the same asylum as Hurley (they killed her so that’s over). Lastly this whole over section of the plane (well they killed Libby, Anna Lucia and Ekko that just leaves the black woman who’s name I can’t remember). Every time they come up with something interesting the writers kill off the characters.
Which only goes to show, the writers can’t have the plot planned out except in the most broad, vaguest manner. Otherwise how do you explain killing people off just because their contract was up.
lets not forget how many polar bears it takes to outsmart sawyer…
If you hate Lost so much, and all you do is moan about it, then why do you watch it?
Did you bother to read the faq section? Pretty much explains that rather well. I know I can say for myself, I don’t HATE Lost; I’m just annoyed by it. It could be great, isnstead it has gotten progressively worse.
lost is the best show on tv, ever. my opinion.
it would be better if the producers didnt give into the people lack of patience and speed things up
im patient, i would like lost to be 8 seasons.
but since ppl in general arent patient, it will last roughly 4 seasons.
i think this site is interesting, because there are many things i dont like, but i cant imagine making a website about them and talking about them contantly. its a very odd site
Now I know why its called the idiot box. The Losties that post on here need to write their comments out in Word first. Then they can spellcheck their crap before cutting-and-pasting it here. How many people can spell patience wrong???!!! Its not patients. Jesus.
Fair enough, but I just realized I left a word out of my sarcastic post making fun of somebody for the same thing. Wish there was an edit feature on here. Oh well, jokes on me I guess…
interesting commentary. note the comparison to x-files (x-files had ratings GROWTH into its 5th season…’Lost’ is already bottoming out in season 3.
http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070220/LIFE/702200349/1005
well, things like anagrams and reversed records are kind of stuff which has nothing to do with the story in fact. these are just easter eggs , kind of jokes, i never really noticed that stuff and the plot in lost is genious without them. the funny thing is how i, a loyal Lost fan didn’t notice some of these things yet people who hate lost know about reverse records!
its also funny for me, how some lost fans come here and say “if you dont like lost why watch it?” all i can say is how the hell you found that website?
lost has awesome plot. plot that keeps you wondering what the hell is going on, everyone build his own theory based on what he wants, and what he thinkks is logical, what are his personal beliefs . people of different beliefs and different tastes can find this show interesting. there are people who like fiction, there are people who don’t, threre are those who believe in god and miracle and those who dont. yet the show doesn’t just give out what is right and what is wrong in the story.
“lost has awesome plot. plot that keeps you wondering what the hell is going on, everyone build his own theory based on what he wants, and what he thinkks is logical, what are his personal beliefs”
hmm, seems like abstract art. not sure I’d say a choatic mishmash of [back]stories and a random collage of information constitutes a plot. nor that any ’story’ that keeps you wondering what the hell is going on constitutes a GOOD story.
the thing about the easter eggs…I guess they’re fun for ‘fans’, but what chaps my cheeks is when fans confuse the existence of those easter eggs for comlexity.
this direction that the writers are taking is disappointing.
I expected them to shift their attention to the sex-starved survivors and focus on loads and loads of sex scenes that replaces the annoying flashbacks.
Every episode should have at least:
m/m blowjobs or anal
m/m/f
m/m/m/m/m/m/m/m/m/f/f/f
this direction that the writers are taking is disappointing.
I expected them to shift their attention to the sex-starved survivors and focus on loads and loads of sex scenes that replaces the annoying flashbacks.
Every episode should have at least:
m/m blowjobs or anal
m/m/f
m/m/m/m/m/m/m/m/m/f/f/f — this could very well be the season finale
undead/f — who says the island cant raise the dead? prob eko/rose (that would be a new twist: why would eko want rose?)
I hope the writers take my advice and follow the directions of the award winning Island Fever series.
Ratings will go off the roof.
Disgusting, but funny. It’s true though, in real life those people would be pairing off & humping like crazy sex bunnies. The all around deprevation combined with constant danger (what with the polar bears, black boiling fuzz & all) would ensure this. Maybe that is what’s going on with all the other survivors we never see? I for one would like to think so…
…and hurley still wouldn’t get any….but there are polar bears…
3×10: The “Hurley” Buffet — The cannibalistic nature of the survivors comes alive. Will Hurley be able to fight against all the survivors who wants to eat him so that they could have more sex? Or will the Others intervene!?
3X11 – hurley is killed by the group – but the island resurrects him to put everyone off having sex by dancing around with a tutu on rubbing his nipples at the same time…
desmond is the only good thing left in the show. unfortunately, despite everything he tries to do he can’t save the show from being killed.
serious fuck this show im only watching cuz fi have watch almost every other top shows story is lame too many random bull shit pissing me off lame time passing show ever fuck this shit