Table Tennis Anyone?
Rather than posting my take on the latest episode every week, I have enlisted the faithful readers of this blog to help out. For the next few weeks I will be asking active commenters for their impression on the latest episodes. First up is the ever present - Nico Tosconi.
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Ping- pong? They decided to have an island ping- pong tourney? Riiiiiiiight… Because if I was being menaced by killer Polar Bears, evil black smoke, a purple sky & a band of murderous, child kidnapping, deranged former scientists that’s what I’d be doing. There’s no way I would be organizing hunting parties, or exploring the island, or waging war on the psychotic “others”. Nope, I’d play ping- pong! The only slightly funny moment was when the increasingly Gene Simmons haired Sawyer asked the new guy: “who the hell are you?” My sentiments exactly…
As far as the return of “Patchy” (as he’s been so lovingly named around these parts, although I prefer Boris Badinov): All I can say is Sayid sure picked a lousy time to develop feelings. If I was him I would have done things to Patchy out of shear frustration that would’ve made what he did in the past look like a tea party. I’m talking “pair of pliers and a blow torch” type shit. I figure by now the survivors must be at least as pissed off as the audience about the severe lack of information they’ve been getting recently. Well, I can’t say nothing happened this week, unfortunately what did happen sucked.
-Nico Toscani
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Hey Nico,
Great post. Why are you still watching a show that you dislike so much? Can’t you come up with some ideas on how to fix the show instead of just talking about how bad it “sucks”?
-BigJim (Out of retirement for this post)
p.s. Lost Sucks, Dude.
Thanks Jim, I “heart” you too…
I so hear you out, It’s like they done this before.
I’m Taylor Karras and I’ve been actively boycotting everything Disney, you know, Theme Parks, TV Shows, etc.
You should watch some other dramas that are not lost.
I think a lot of us keep watching the show because after following every single episode for the past seasons, we’d hope something happened. It started right, but now the show itself is completely lost. I’m watching today’s episode as I write this, and I think I’m finally done. Last episodes have sucked so much that I feel sorry for all the time I wasted before. A pity.
No more Lost for me. Last night was a new South Park, and I watched that instead. It was hilarious, but in the way it was intended to be. Not in the Lost sorta way. Lost is like crack. I will still visit this site every week to see what I missed (or, more aptly, what I didn’t miss). This show sucks, I am sure they are losing viewers every week. I’m proud to be one of them.
Also, I love reading the posts on here from people who like Lost. They criticize us for bitching about the show and tell us how pathetic we are, yet they are the ones seeking out people who have a DIFFERENT opinion than themselves, and tearing others apart for it. God I love hypocrisy.
I may be in the minority (here), but I don’t think THIS epi sucked that bad (C+/B-). HOWEVER, I think my standards are far lower than they were for this show.
I accept that we won’t see anything really new about characters in flashbacks (we already knew sayid was a pentitent ex-warrior) and that the big picture story arc will move along in very tiny increments.
it’s worth noting, the black woman/other character was introduced at the end of season II, then never seen again. so…naturally, I think an attentive audiece asks “who was she and where’d she go?”. she was obviously important enough to introduce…
so, she shows up last night, has about 60 seconds of screen time, then gets shot…wtf?
And out of the wilderness comes the voice of reason… I have to agree with you. This was not quite as vile as the last couple of weeks. In fact it was almost palatable. At long last, there has been some movement (however slight) in the plot. Although the ping pong tournament made my eyes bleed, its purpose was clearly comic relief because the rest of the material was pretty “dark” by primetime TV standards. I will echo Nico’s sentiments by saying that I find Sayid’s sudden development of a conscience inconvenient and inconsistent to say the least. Did he not torture the leader of the Others in the hatch a mere few weeks ago in Lost time? And why did they bother reintroducing that woman only to have her dispatched so unceremoniously. Oh Lawd Jesus, why dey killin’ all the Black folks?! Speaking of which, where are Michael and his boyah?! Having said this, last night’s episode was okay by even the most exacting of previous Lost standards. I always enjoy watching Sayid kiss ass. If this keeps up, my morbid fixation with this show might turn to hope and genuine interest again.
didnt sayid torture sawyer for something does seem right , that cat must have really freaked him out. tablr tennis anyone?
Amen to that brother.
I tried to watch last week but, it was too painful and I gave up after 20 minutes.
I come here to catchup too but, like you implied there isn’t much to catch up on.
I came her to look at other people’s opinions, true, but ideally, when I see something I disagree with, I like to discuss it with them, forming an argument between our opinions, and maybe, just maybe, using reasoning, which is better than the average Lost defender’s perhaps, that allows the person I’m discussing with to understand how I think of Lost and what I think of their views. Although I see a few level-headed response, I also see a number of what I’d consider over-exaggerated, over-the-top, over-irritated opinions. And don’t criticize me for bashing. I’d say that I’m being quite fair right now. Of course, further discussion with me would be better. But if you think that I’m not being fair, then what about yourselves?
Anyway, any fair analysis of Lost wouldn’t call it a perfect show. But I would say that it’s doing its best based on what it can do as a TV show, especially in that it has to please so many people at once. It has to please the people who want answers at every thing, while trying to bring in fun and interesting moments and all while not rushing through things too fast. I wouldn’t say its deaths are useless and I wouldn’t say every moment needs to be fleshed out to its fullest extent, at least not right away, for the show to be good.
A suggestion I’d give in watching the show is to not think about Lost as wanting to be realistic and respectable, but instead a show that tries to simply entertain, not necessarily by creating sustained tension, but in the presentation of its large story and by making you curious. Every episode that has got us to where we are now is an episode that adds to the story in some way. I think that’s why the best part about Lost is in creating its over-arching stories, and not in getting all the details to look right. Perhaps stop picking apart these little details and enjoy the story progression. It seems that each little detail that pisses you off just builds on all the other little things into one big hate for the show which obscures anything respectable you might point out. Even if something you hated from a previous episode comes back and causes you to see it in another way, does it erase the feeling you had for that detail, or does it remain in your big collection of hate for the show? Personally, I’m kind of worried that posters who talk about hating the show, yet don’t watch the episode and only get information from out of context rants are missing a lot and are just making their opinions of the show worse by being indirectly irritated by the show by following such rants. (I say this because I get the feeling that most of the people who post here don’t still regularly watch the show). I see that someone thought this last episode gave away absolutely no answers, but I wonder if they truly think that. Not only did we learn a lot about the Dharma Initiative, but we’ve learned quite a lot, considering where we started, about The Others, not to mention the many things we learned in season 2’s finale. It’s responses like these that make me wonder how much many of you are thinking out and being truly fair about your criticisms. And this is one of the reasons why I respond; to put forth the possibility that you may be a tad oversensitive and to question if some of you could use more fair criticism. Also, I just wanted to respond to those who sound like their so incredibly pissed off, especially the guy who said there’s supposedly been a lot of fans calling people here pathetic, that there are respectable Lost watchers out there who can response fairly. I hope I get an intelligent response to me. If you’d got something, I’d be willing to respond. I like the comment by BigJim. To put it another way, can anyone suggest how things should’ve happened or been shown?
hmmm, well. you said a lot. I like to think I’m fairly rational (and fair), but I can’t speak for everyone here. but since you seem open to discussion, a response to some of your points…
1) you may be right, some criticisms may be “unfair”, but…so what? it’s all in fun. someone venting here doesn’t do any harm to you or the show.
2) you sound like you view the show for pure entertainment (not realism). probably how it SHOULD have been taken all along. still, that doesn’t mean criticisms are not valid or warranted. plus, sounds like you’re pretty easily pleased if you think this epi told us “a lot about the Dharma Initiative”…the “a lot” part is exagerated I think.
3) “Personally, I’m kind of worried that posters who talk about hating the show, yet don’t watch the episode and only get information from out of context rants are missing a lot and are just making their opinions of the show worse by being indirectly irritated by the show by following such rants.”
I’m still boggled why supporters of the show care that some people DON’T like it. or lampoon it. or whatever. If you enjoy it, great! but do you really just not like that we’re critiquing a favorite show of yours? or do you have some actual retort to our slams? b/c it seems most of your post was (and I’m not being a dick here I promise) just whining about people getting the wrong idea about the show from our opinions on it. seems…odd…
To follow up on whether or not the show should be judged on its realism: in the very first episode of the show, a polar bear showed up on a tropical island. Then an evil monster beat the living Christ out of the plane’s pilot. None of that, really, is stuff that would occur on a typical day in my life. I don’t think I was ever really judging the show on realism at all — I knew from the start that we’d have to suspend disbelief. I mean, the very thought that anyone even *survived* that plane crash isn’t even realistic.
Lampooning the show is all well and fair, I guess, but seeing someone criticize an episode they haven’t even *watched* yet seems to fly in the face of comments by other people on this board. I’ve seen posts that effectively say some of you guys are *real* fans of the show who are merely watching with the fervent hope that it’s going to improve somewhere along the line. That’s all well and good: legitimate criticisms are fair. But for people who have already given up on the show and stopped watching, what’s the point of hanging around and flaming it? If it’s boredom, that’s cool, I guess.
fair enough. even having that many people survive is a bit absurd. it requires…a leap of faith. for the viewer to suspend disbelief (we’ve been over this, no?).
but, a couple points…
1) this show is not Crossing Jordan (where Lindelof wrote previously). that show obviously isn’t “real”. nobody talks that way! plenty of shows like that. just pop corn goofy crap. some of them are even enjoyable if that’s your flavor.
2) LOST producers have said that everything that happens can be explained scientifically. which I take to mean, this isn’t sci-fi (i.e. it COULD happen). to me that’s intent to portray “real” people in plausible scenarios.
and that’s my point…the premise no longer seems plausible. rather, it requires me to suspend disbelief too far for too long.
2. Well, I didn’t mean it was a whole bunch, but it certainly was a significant amount. When you think about it, what don’t we know about the Dharma Initiative? Maybe a few bits. We learn that they are distinct from the Others, that the Others are rebels against Dharma, that Dharma uses a sub and a radar thing to get to the island, and they bring people to the island with advertisements saying “do you want to save the world?” and little else, that Dharma is most likely completely over and everyone is dead, that the Barracks used to be Dharma and are probably the same as the place where the Others live, that the stations are in communication, that the Others have been on the island since before Dharma. You say Lost isn’t compelling and complex anymore. I think learning about the Others is one of the most complex and compelling parts about Lost. And I don’t see how the way its presented overall is any less compelling than the way the events in the first season were presented.
3. I think it’s just because I don’t think Lost deserves so much unfair criticisms from some people and when something’s being unfairly criticized, I like to try to defend it. That goes back to 1, too.
And for some actual retort, I’ll respond to something you said a few posts down. About Shannon seeing Walt: “we KNOW she knows…but why isn’t she telling anyone? what’s really going on? will anyone believe her??? but any curiosity died with her.” In the first episode, she sees Walt, tells Sayid, who doesn’t believe her, then she tells the whole group before Jack makes his speech about finding the hatch. They also don’t believe her but we get the first worry from everyone that the raft might not be okay. We don’t see this, but we suppose that she maintains this until five episodes later when she and Sayid see Walt together. The curiosity about it is sustained for the rest of the episode. Sayid brings up seeing Walt a few times after. Then at the end of the season, Ms. Klugh asks Michael “Did Walt ever appear in a place he wasn’t supposed to be?” Clearly there’s something here.
To the post agreeing with your, I think it’s pretty clear the writers have an idea with Libby. Her story will be completed in flashbacks, which I think will be a really interesting and new way to tell a story.
And to the post you responded to. Klugh was clearly explained. She was there because communication had been down, something that has been referred to multiple times and is more clearly explained in this episode. She killed herself because she refused to take them to where Jack is. She probably expected Mikhail to do the same but he was unable to.
And I don’t know if I’d call John blowing up the building his acting like a twit. He did it because the Others had in fact infiltrated. I doubt Sayid could fix an antenna that hasn’t worked in years. Blowing it up prevents the Others from using it to communicate and prevents the castaways from returning to it. So I don’t think it was written in as useless. Good point about the C4, I suppose. Although I personally didn’t assume that entering 77 if there’s an “incursion on the station by the Hostiles” would make the house blow up based on the C4 alone.
So some of the critiques seem to be a little harsh when they say certain moments are utterly horrible.
thanks for offering something substantive. but the shannon/walt thing (like libby and klugh) was more an example of poor writing/planning/structure. that’s my opinion.
i know they EXPLAINED why klugh was at the station in this most recent epi, but the fact that they introduced her last season, made her seem significant, then forget about her until she breifly reappears and gets shot….to me that doesn’t make the show complex. why couldn’t ben or another ‘other’ character we already knew have the interaction with walt last season? wouldn’t necessitate klugh being killed off two nights ago.
same thing with libby…
same thing with shannon seeing walt…
they SORT of address topics, but not to any real resolution (unless you consider killing off characters ‘resolving’ issues).
I guess it reminds me of how 5th graders learn to write: they use 15 words when 5 will do.
maybe this sums up my take on these particular elements (since you’re calling me out on shannon/libby/klugh)…
‘the 6th sense’ was a good movie. the hook at the end? I thought was masterfully done. but it was a hook. a gimic. same thing with ‘memento’. great gimic. great hook. yet another example, ‘blair witch project’. clever. original. but all relied on a gimic.
if you watch any of them again, they may have some redeeming qualities, but you know the hook. so…it’s not nearly as impactful.
with much of what I see on LOST (e.g. libby/klugh/shannon), it was fine the first time. get us to invest in a character, then kill them off gratuitously. fine.
but that’s a gimic. do it again…then again…???? it become less impactful. at least that’s my take. and I guess my frustration with the show could be summed up similarly. they continued to tease us with non-answers to interesting questions, while simultaneously posing NEW questions.
after a while, the gimic just doesn’t work.
I see your point. But I don’t think when they kill a main character, it’s always meant only to shock us. Libby, perhaps. But Shannon’s death provided a good dramatic way for the tailes to arrive. And I don’t think Klugh was even meant to be shocking, hence why we don’t get to know her as much as, say, Juliet. If Lost has a gimic, I certainly don’t think this is it. Since gimics are usually what the movie is focused on, it implies that Lost is focused on nothing else but that gimic. I don’t think Lost’s deaths are always complex. I can see how they can be an easy choice. Although sometimes I think choices like these are what they have to do for a show with so much to work with. A Libby/Hurley love storyline would’ve been lame. Shannon and Sayid needed something to happen to them in the jungle. Sometimes the deaths are great resolutions. Those that aren’t though I think are minor problems and there is still plenty of strength in the story as a whole. And I think it’s an overstatement to say that Lost gives us only non-answers and questions. For example, look out for an answer about Walt’s appearing somewhere he’s not. I do feel like I’ve got a better feeling for your criticism. It does make sense, I just think it’s overly harsh.
well…perhaps I’m not articulating my point well enough. but I think you’re focusing too much on the trees, not the forest.
it’s a fairly lazy (or unnecessarily manipulative) approach to introduce characters, then kill them off w/o having them have any real impact on the story or w/o resolving any of the story threads that character introduced.
klugh’s character served very little purpose. and if you think her being shot by patch showed us that the others are wililng to kill their own for The Cause (??), then I think you’re reaching.
I think there comes a point where a person doesn’t need to be developed to a whole character. It seems like to you, that’s what Mrs. Klugh’s problem was. I think all it would’ve taken was a few more moments with her earlier in season 3, but not too late into it because we would’ve noticed she was gone. Missing some small developments could be a slight lack in writing, but these kind of problems aren’t major. I think the thing that Lost is focusing most on, they’re doing well. Plus, I think they’re doing well in plenty of other ways. I’d be interested to hear what you have to say about the things that Lost IS answering and developing currently. And Libby and Shannon seem to be the characters that you say have things unresolved. But their stories don’t need to be resolved directly through those characters. They’ll be resolved in other ways. But I imagine they have to develop some other things first.
“I think there comes a point where a person doesn’t need to be developed to a whole character. It seems like to you, that’s what Mrs. Klugh’s problem was”
again, you seem to be preoccupied with klugh, or shannon, or libby. I don’t think shannon was unresolved, I thought the part about her seeing walt has been…left dangling. like many other things.
as for klugh, let me try one more time. I don’t think there was anything to resolve with her b/c I don’t think she was a necessary character. killing her off meant little to me except that I wondered why they made her SEEM important in season 2.
these are just examples of gaps, or indulgent writing. that’s what I think. you obviously disagree.
what are they answering? well…maybe they have/are/will answer ‘major’ questions, but for the most part, they seem to manufacture small mysteries that they can answer (e.g. jack’s tats). these are things most people hadn’t cared much about, the show makes a point of telling us about them. any primary information is leaked in what I think are pretty small and pretty spread out increments…drip….drip….drip…
I’m not preoccupied with those characters. I just keep responding to what you say about them. Sorry. I understand that it’s Shannon seeing Walt that’s your problem. I meant that she has something unresolved. So it’s the idea of something dangling that you don’t like. But just because the writers leave it dangling doesn’t mean they’ve dropped it or that that’s all it is. I think you realize that. Maybe you’re just irritated that they dangle at all. There have been many examples of events that have come back later and their significance added to and I don’t think that’ll stop. A good example of this would be the Monster. Despite the fact that it’s come in only a few times, the times when it has come in has been interesting and we’ve learned a significant amount about it since we first learned about it. We learned that it takes the form of people the character knows, that it judges people, that it sees into people’s minds, what it looks like, we learned that Eko and Locke saw two very different things in it (one darkness and the other light), how it kills people, and that it enters and exits the island through Cerubus Vents as seen on the blast door map. So now that you look back at it, was it so annoying to see the Monster gone for so long? I see about Klugh. Not the best way show the character, but you’re right, I think we disagree about just how bad it was.
I don’t think it’s a maybe that they are, will, and have answered major questions. The Others are being answered right now. What’s wrong with letting it out slowly? They’re still letting it out, and the moments when they do let those moments out are at the most effective moments. That’s one of the things they seem to be good at. Finding the way to let out information at good moments. Revealing what the button was for for example is a smaller primary question that was ultimately resolved. For the best example of a part that’s being leaked out significantly, I again point to The Others and all they’ve revealed about them. This question may be leaking it out small and spread out, although not so much as you imply, but the pace in which it does so is good. It creates this pace, one, to develop the story context and, two, because answering these questions isn’t what the show is about. It balances between giving information and telling other stories, which is fairly balanced between both. You get Desmond’s excellent story, then you get Jack’s episode which tells us about how The Others see their judgment system, then Hurley’s story and its return to fun, then Sayid’s story.
When Lost is over and it’s wrapped up, we’ll be able to look back on it and see if the way they leaked primary things out was done in an effective way. If it wasn’t and in the end, they just can’t wrap up questions, you’ll be right. (Part of ‘the numbers question’ was answered in the Lost Experience by the way.) But I see no reason to think they can’t or won’t do so.
If you feel like we’re going over the same ideas, I’ll understand if you’d like to give up. I feel like we’ve understood each other quite a bit. Your fairness and criticism is much more understandable than some, especially these original posters. If you’re not tired, I’m still interested in discussing these points.
heh heh…no. not tired. but I do think we’ll just continue to go round n’ round. I think those are the first salient points (or examples) you’ve provided. and I think you’re right about some.
I think you’re MORE right about this…
“because answering these questions isn’t what the show is about. ”
this is possibly why the show was very good, then frustrating, and now continues to be simultaneously fairly and unfairly bashed. follow me…
the show was conceived to be character driven, and it mostly still is. therein lies it’s strength and weakness. strength b/c we liked the characters, the resonated. the ‘mysteries’ were more secondary, a thread to tie the characters and their experiences together.
however, the mysteries became the real draw for many folks. but it (the show) wasn’t up to fulfilling viewers demands…at least not at the pace they wanted.
now back to the characters. what I don’t like is that we seem to see the same thing(s) with the characters. or perhaps again, I’m not satisfied with the drip, drip, drip that they reveal anything new or interesting. flashbacks for me have become pretty redundant.
so…unfair bashing: show wasn’t about mystery, but they dug that hole themselves. fair bashing: characters seem stagnant. fairy bashing: illegal in most states I think.
don’t get me wrong, I don’t WANT the show to fail, but there’s been a dramatic and precipitous drop in viewers from season II opener to now.
by the by, I still watch and I thought wed’s epi was ok.
Yeah. Thanks. I completely agree. The mysteries were supposed to be secondary, and its difficult to fulfill viewer’s desire to see more of it. I agree about the somewhat redundancy in flashbacks, too. It is interesting to see more of a character’s life, but I’d agree that a characters first two or three flashbacks are the meatiest and its time for new characters to come in to provide fresh flashback that are meaty again. Yeah, keep watching. I have a feeling that this season might end up saying a lot and will end up not being as bad as people think, and those who still watch regularly will see it.
Your comments are very thoughtful.
It should be noted that I don’t think it was Tyler’s intention to evangelize anyone to abandon LOST.
I personlly loved this show, at one time. But, at some point it was clear to me that the plot stopped progressing in any meaningful way.
It further seemed that ABC was using the show as a cash cow, thus stringing along viewers to milk revenue.
I watched the show, loving it for almost 2 years, and began to be frustrated by it and hate it more and more as I watched. Fed up I did a google search for “lost sucks” and found this site.
It isn’t really fair to say, we haven’t give the show a chance. In fact many of us have given it multiple chances.
I myself try to watch every so often in the small hope that the writers will get their acts together, and each time I have done this I have been disappointed.
Judging by the ratings we are not the only ones, we are just the vocal ones.
I’d recommend watching Flashing Before Your Eyes. I’ve heard some people call it one of the best episodes of Lost ever. Seriously. It was well written and the guy who plays Desmond makes him into such an interesting character. He’s one of the best on the show and they clearly realized this by keeping him on. I also wouldn’t recommend watching a single Lost episode without the others. I’m sure you’d miss a lot in terms of context and build up.
Wow you make the episode sound horrible.
It probably was.
Thanks to the info.
Tell me though on a sucking scale were did this one rank?
a 0, it was purely imaginative and a great lost episode
Johnny, put down that cough syrup!!!
I’m going to have to disagree with you slightly on this one, Nico. This episode, while not epic, was considerably better than the previous two weeks. I think the table-tennis scenes were limited enough in length to add a touch of comic relief without being intrusive. Yes it was entirely predictable that Sawyer was going to lose to Hurley but it’s not like the whole episode centered around the game. Thankfully much more time was spent on Sayid and his group.
The Sayid flash-back had some tense moments in it. We certainly didn’t learn anything new about Sayid but it was good to see one of the best LOST characters in the spotlight for a change.
We did learn that the Others are not Dharma scientists. They were there before Dharma showed up and were referred to as the “Hostiles”.
We got to see Kate actually assert herself (rifle butt!) instead of whining all the time.
The fight scene with Sayid, Kate and the Mad Russian was cool and the confrontation outside the radar shack had some drama to it.
If I had to grade the episode, I’d give it a C+. Flawed but entertaining in spots.
Hello, I just found this site last night and read through most of it. It’s pretty spot on.
Pluses of the show last night:
- No extended ping pong scenes
- More Sayid story, less stupid characters
….yeah that’s pretty much it.
Minuses last night:
- A ping pong storyline
- Endless roaming, no actual story arc
- lame flashback that reveals nothing or leads to anything
- Stupid computer games
- The fruit cutting people talking
- Kate looking scared…again
- Locke doing something he shouldn’t…again
I could go on, but then I’d start getting more annoyed. Anyway this show has been frustrating all season long, yet I keep watching. Why? Oh and Christopher I stayed up to watch the midnight South Park, and yes it was excellent as it always is.
I found myself torn. I liked some aspects of the show (sayid is a great character, why do they force feed us jack and kate when people actually like/care about sayid??), but as I’ve said, the show is more fun for its mockability than its “complexity” or compellingness. I look back at how I really liked the show in Season I (and part of Season II) and think, was I really that gullible??
I think I took to show far too seriously, and it’s just meant to be. despite how much supporters argue to the contrary, the show just is not that complex. in fact, I find the opposite to be true, and watching the show as pure escapist fare makes it somewhat more tolerable.
one nagging nit I truly HATE about LOST…
sawyer asking that dude (paulo??) “who the hell are you” is an absolute nod to critics who ask the same question. and it’s that sort of ‘easter egg’ that many supporters find so “clever” about the show. I find it to be pure pandering, and I’d rather have them be more clever with the plot. hell, they may as well break the 4th wall and have sawyer or hurley or charlie talk directly to the camera every now and then.
as for Locke…I know it helped get the result they (writers) wanted, but is he such a chess-nut that he’s going to forgo personal security to play a computer???
Definitely, dude. Pandering. “Who the hell are you?” That’s retarded. He’s one of the dudes you’ve been *trapped on a deserted island with* for what, three months? You just KNOW all the drooling fanboys laughed at the “inside” joke that wasn’t even friggin’ funny.
Yeah, it was only “slightly” funny as I said. I guess I wasn’t really reading as much into it as everybody else. I was too distracted by Sawyer’s stoopid hair.
My friend, Sawyer’s hair deserves its own episode. A far worthier topic than Jack’s tatoo.
one last thing…
I feel like I’m watching a “choose your own adventure” book when I watch LOST.
You’re sitting in front of a Dharma computer…
If you decide to play chess and blow up the station, turn to page 3.
If you decide to rub one out looking at pictures of Antonella Barba, turn to page 4.
LOL – Nice!
LOL
Locke’s character has definitely become derailed. He was much more compelling in Season 1 when he was a mysterious survivalist/hunter who sought out the islands secrets. Once some of the “magic” of the island was revealed he seemed to become something of a twit. I think we all prefer the hard-core John Locke of yester-year to the confused weenie we see on the screen these days.
And man, did those morons come up with a nice way to deal with the mysterious black lady or what? The writers obviously couldn’t develop a compelling story line or explanation for her so they summarily executed her. Very poor writing, indeed.
Also, how much more compelling would Locke’s attempts on the computer have been had they not revealed the existence of the C4 explosives? It would’ve made entering the code “77″ much more intriguing. We would’ve had to guess what it meant. Will the code 77 send a distress signal, will it alert the Others to their presence, will it set off alarms or a defensive system? No. It was extremely obvious that code 77 would blow up the building because we saw the C4. That’s not only bad writing, that’s bad directing.
good points.
again, nitpicking (especially backwards nitpicking), is easy. and again, wouldn’t be something I’d necessarily do but the show no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt.
but here’s one that fits in the ‘bad writing/directing/planning’ category:
beginning of season II, shannon sees walt in the woods. he…projected (?) himself? she tells who sayid, I think, but then she dies.
seems to me, when you introduce a “secret” like that to the audience, it has power only to the extent that the character(s) on the show are able to sustain the suspense. we KNOW she knows…but why isn’t she telling anyone? what’s really going on? will anyone believe her??? but any curiosity died with her. the show seems to do that type of thing quite a bit.
I felt the same way when Libby died.
The writers don’t know how to tie up loose ends so they just cut the laces.
“I felt the same way when Libby died.”
exactly.
apparently lockes pissed off about that too. the writers said we’ll be getting our knife weilding ,boar killing hunter back soon
Last nights episode was the first I have ever missed, and do you guys remember when Libby got Hurley to destroy his hidden food storage/hoard? And hurley was like “I FEEL FREE”… well guys, I FEEL FREE! Now all i gotta do keep strong and not go back in the cycle of watching, but the thing like that somebody already said was Lost is like crack.. and ABC.com is my enabler, I know I can go back anytime and get my fix. Trying to stay strong
you and many others…
LOST’s ratings last night were at 12.34m. that’s down from around 12.8 the previous two epis. so…even with a strong[er] episode viewership declined.
just further evidence they’ve reached a point where one or two or even three good episodes might not return the show to its prior glory.
Honestly, some of that viewship drop could be attributed to the timeslot change. 10 p.m. isn’t exactly a good time for Lost.
i was hoping that now thats its at ten there would be somebody cursing …but again they failed me . now will someone get me off this fucking island, fu*******k i cant stop watching
sure, but the 12.8 number is also since it’s move to 10:00
last night at 12.34 is another 500k drop.
Dear Tyler,
I come to this site to hear YOUR point of view of LOST. While I don’t always agreed with you, your usually spot on.
Nico’s blog missed several big points – Why pawn off your own blog?
Disappointed –
I just wanted to try something new. I figured it might mix things up a bit to let others have the first word and keep things fresh around here. I’ll post my thoughts in a comment later today.
Thanks,
T
Cool, Tyler. I’ll be waiting for my chance to write a guest blog. Keep me posted on that.
*Cough Cough*
Attention Whore
Let the personal attacks continue, David! Love you lots!
Okay I’ll admit that one was harsh.
Sorry ’bout that.
Don’t worry about it.
I can’t believe I just typed that.
Well I guess I could’ve done a scene by scene analysis, but I’m saving that for the EW website…
alright, alright, enough is said and i could agree to most of the points. although no one actually admitted that this episode was MUCH better than preious two, it was watchable, and, dare i say, unpredictable. i mean , michail turning to be an other, and Klough – could you see it coming?
im just saying lets pay attention to pluses rather than minuses and life will be brighter.
ah, terrible russian speech bugged me as i am russian myself. lol russian maffia rules the world!
I said it was “considerably better”. A grade of C+ is *much* better than the F-minus-minus-minus I would give the previous two episodes.
A stronger but still somewhat mediocre effort. If they can build off of this (a very big IF at this point) then future episodes may actually hold some excitement and we can all start looking forward to Wednesday nights again.
And I said (see above): And out of the wilderness comes the voice of reason… I have to agree with you (LostSkeptic). This was not quite as vile as the last couple of weeks. In fact it was almost palatable. At long last, there has been some movement (however slight) in the plot. Although the ping pong tournament made my eyes bleed, its purpose was clearly comic relief because the rest of the material was pretty “dark” by primetime TV standards. I will echo Nico’s sentiments by saying that I find Sayid’s sudden development of a conscience inconvenient and inconsistent to say the least. Did he not torture the leader of the Others in the hatch a mere few weeks ago in Lost time? And why did they bother reintroducing that woman only to have her dispatched so unceremoniously. Oh Lawd Jesus, why dey killin’ all the Black folks?! Speaking of which, where are Michael and his boyah?! Having said this, last night’s episode was okay by even the most exacting of previous Lost standards. I always enjoy watching Sayid kiss ass. If this keeps up, my morbid fixation with this show might turn to hope and genuine interest again.
Yes, I did see his being an “other” coming. I wasn’t fooled for a nanosecond. As for the reintroduction of Klugh (what a CLEVER name), all I did was scream at the TV “…ug, I hate that bitch!” and then she was dead. Considering she was about the only “other” I ever found even remotely menacing it was a shame to kill her off immediately (if she’s really dead of course).
next week, there area number of characters who, when they appear on screen, deserve the “…ug, I hate that bitch!” death command.
might clear out some dead wood from the character roster.
Just to correct a mistake on here….Sawyer’s comment “Who the hell are you?” was made to the new girl in the show, not to Paulo.
thanks…I’ll admit I was flipping b/w South Park and LOST so I didn’t catch all of it.
I can’t tell them apart, is she the one with the beard? Sorry about that.
don’t sweat it, one or both will be re-introduced later this season….then die.
That’s another thing about the show that bugs me – the cheap drama. It’s bad enough that characters like Boone and Shannon had everything but the words “FIRST TO DIE” tattooed on their foreheads, being so annoying and useless that nobody gives a shit when they are killed off. It’s insulting to the audience and emotionally manipulative…you’ve got all the drama of death, murder, etc. without risking upsetting the audience too much. But then to introduce NEW characters on a show that’s already got too many, just so you can presumably kill them off? Dee-you-em-bee, DUMB. And lazy. Drama is called “drama” because it’s f^&king dramatic, not easy and predictable.
They’re called “red shirts” in the parlance of Star Trek.
The introduction of new characters at this point is almost as insulting as the lack of closure with respect to the fate of a number of characters on the show: (1) Michael and his “boyah”: where are they?!; (2) Claire + baby: what are the possible consequences of the experiment conducted on Claire by the Others; (3) Desmond + Charlie: will Charlie die?; (4) Rose + Bernard: where they at?! And why was their story even introduced? (5) Hurley: is the entire Lost experience a figment of Hurley’s diseased mind? — I could go on like this forever… What a mess!!! The show is not beyond redemption because it has slipped into mediocrity. The things that you all complain of now: discrepancies, internal inconsistencies, the insultingly implausible, pseudo mysticism, , mediocre dialogue, melodrama, etc. HAVE ALWAYS been present in this show. The difference is that it was possible to overlook these shortcomings in the first season because the show was otherwise sufficiently engaging and entertaining. Although the March 7th episode was the best of season 3 so far (let’s give credit where credit is due), it was still too mediocre to turn my perverse curiosity into genuine interest. The show is beyond redemption because the writers are themselves lost; there are so many characters, so many stories, so many questions left hanging and these disparate elements are so convoluted that it will be impossible to resolve in any intelligent, coherent, credible or satisfactory manner. We can only look on in morbid fascination as this wretched bloated bird twitches and gasps for its final breath before it expires at last and extinguishes even our desire to share our mutual contempt.
I think my view is just about the same as your’s, turkey. and this sums it up pretty well.
supporters of the show may like to pick nits with our criticisms (just as we pick nits with the show itself), but I think they fail to grasp the more fundemental ‘issues’ many of us have described time and again.
i cant comprehend how you ppl can complain about lost.
i dont like a lot of tv shows, but I dont come to the site and complain about it.
i come to this site weekly because its interesting how you people can complain so much about nothing.
Okay, let us explain ourselves again for the terminally dim-minded. I will try and use as many monosyllables as possible to avoid any possible confustion.
*We used to like the show. We thought it was good. We enjoyed watching it.
*Most of us do not like the current direction the show is going in, for reasons itemized here. We want our old, kick-ass “Lost” that wasn’t about carpet-bombing the audience with twists, bogus “thrillers” and useless plot lines/flashbacks. We want some answers.
*Those of us that are continuing to watch the show in spite of this are doing so in the hope the writers will wake up from their lazy slumber and put some more cohesion back into the show.
It’s kind of nice for me to have a place to talk about this with other people who agree with me. Would you prefer that we all hit the fanboards and complained among people who still like the show? Give me a break. You guys have the Fuselage, IMDb, and countless other geek sites. Rapidly increasing anti-fans, whose numbers are quite evident from this site, need a place to go as well.
And I’m not sure if the fanboys are being ironic on purpose, but do you really come to a site that you don’t like to tell people to stop watching a show that they don’t like? I mean, is it giving you liver disease just knowing that there’s a site out on the big ol’ innernut where people dare to post a contrary opinion about a TV program? Or are you being forced against your will to read this site, a la A Clockwork Orange?
“…is it giving you liver disease just knowing that there’s a site out on the big ol’ innernut where people dare to post a contrary opinion about a TV program? ”
heh heh…absolutely! I think one reason I continue to watch and post about the craptacular LOST is that it apparently causes so much angst among the fanboy set the we (dissenters) even exist! wtf?
I think too many people are incapable of grasping the concept that these sorts of things are subjective. Hell, it would be one thing if this site were a bunch of people who never liked the show from the start, but kept watching just to talk about how much they’ve always thought it sucked. That would be stupid. But that’s not the case here for any of us.
whats so good about season 1?
if a person watched season 1 up until last nights episode on dvd, it would be impossible to tell the difference of where a season starts and ends, thus impossible to fid your imaginary flaws in the show. its like me watching… oh i have a better one. its like be making a site about why google sucks. “ahh that background it so boring and plain and white! can the search results get any more predictable? those multicolored letters are bogussss.”
That’s just silly! Here’s two differences (out of many) between season 1 and now :
1) In season one the flashbacks were used to develop the characters & explain their motives. In season three the flashbacks are filler for entire episodes to buy time while the writers think of what crap to throw at us next. They don’t tell us anything the flashbacks from the 1st season (or maybe even 2nd) didn’t already tell us better.
2) In season one the “others” are a menacing, freaky, mysterious force of nature. In season three they are a bunch of totally pedestrian, megalomaniacal, rejects from The Prisoner type protagonists.
How ’bout them apples? Boooyah!
*ahem* sorry…
It doesn’t matter where the seasons start and end, nor does anything you wrote change the fact that it went from being a good show to a sucky one. We all have differing opinions on exactly when that happened.
Also, most people don’t have emotional investments in things like Google. They haven’t spent over 50 + hours watching Google, seeing characters develop and take an interest in their lives and where the plot is going. Your comparison is hollow.
When Locke blew up the house, along with that satellite dish, was anyone else reminded of when Gilligan broke the Professor’s coconut radio? My prediction for next week: Locke accidentally loses the map that Sayid found. It’s almost like he’s become comic relief.
P.S. Great blog! I’m glad that I’m not the only one who’s developed such a dislike for one of my former favorite shows.
This episode was better than the last few weeks (actually better than the whole of the season so far). I think now the writers are truly turning a fork in the road. Mark my words next week will see an even better episode as Sawyer (accompanied by 80’s power ballads) gets back into shape to pit his might against the champion ping pong player Hurley. After all that whole flame station thing was just a diversion to chop up the epic six episode ping pong island tournament. I fully expect by the end of the season to see Ben playing a bit of ping pong himself.
Wow, you almost had me worried for a second there.
Yes indeed, Ben’s secret is he’s the Dharma (TM) brand ping pong table (the difference is the worm holes that affect the trajectory of the ball) champeen of the Universe.
hmmm, makes me wonder…
with ben in recovery, will they have him prone for the remainder of the series? or will he make a miraculous recovery and be out terrorizing the joint unaffected?
yet another [future] hole in LOST’s logic.
DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!
Hi guys! Miss me? I fucking thoroughly enjoyed last night’s episode, my dawgs. LOVED IT! Good stuff. Sayid kicks all sorts of ass. I’ve got a serious, non-sarcastic question for the posters here: do you sit down expecting to loathe the episode, or do you adopt a mindset when you turn on the television that it might not actually suck balls?
Nico, not a bad blog post, but c’mon, dude. You’re focusing too much on this frigging ping-pong tournament — it accounted for like three minutes, total, of the episode. Why bitch about something so minor? I will say, though, that Locke wandering over to the computer to play a fucking game of chess while leaving a hostage unsupervised on the floor was a colossally dumb move.
And could someone break down for me what makes someone a fanboy? To me, a fanboy would be some douche who blunders into a site and posts something like “LOST R0XORZZ NO MATTER WHAT U SAY!!! YOU JUST AREN’T SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND TI!” Is there any possibility someone could, you know, merely *like* a television show and not be automatically slapped with a fanboy label?
Dave, glad to see you can still bitch about the quality of Lost without having seen last night’s episode, my man! Hugs and kisses!
I agree. the ping pong was so brief. really just try watching lost without commercials.
sorry , but complaining about ping pong watching lost is like comlaining about cookies in matrix.
JT,
Of course, not every person who likes the show is an unthinking fanboy. Then again, the regular people who still enjoy it aren’t trolling this board calling everyone here a loser (or “looser,” as it’s likely to be spelled by angry fanerds blinded by rage that someone dared to question the genius of “Lost”). Nobody here is giving all fans a hard time, just the ones who have to lecture everyone else around here about how they just don’t “get” the show. I’m glad there are people that still enjoy it. Good for them.
Actually the fact that these dumb fuck characters choose to play ping pong when they could be attacked violently at any moment says a lot to me. I’m all for suspending disbelief, but come on man… Not to mention it was again too reminiscent of the golf course episode. Lazy writing- let’s make ‘em play ping pong to kill some time & get some good one liners in! Blech!
JT – I think you are right in that a lot of people (probably myself included) are now to the point of sitting down every week with the mind set going in that the episode will suck…which, was kind of surprising about last night…it didn’t actually suck (refer to comments below).
See, that’s the thing. I don’t plop my ass down onto the couch every night thinking “Boy howdy, I wonder how many testicles tonight’s episode is going to suck! Five, maybe? Ten?” I just sit down and turn on the television with a completely blank slate, with no preconceived notions about whether Nikki and Paolo will get flamed for their one line of dialogue for that episode or whether Kate’s going to stand around looking pensive. I sit down and think “Okay, time for me to watch my fictitious television show!” Then I watch it.
I think that if people weren’t already waiting to be let down when they sit down to watch, they really wouldn’t get let down as much.
Just found this site yesterday. Glad to know I’m not alone in recognizing the demise of a once great show. I used to be a die-hard LOST fan, but I’ve now missed the past three episodes (the last two on purpose) and even though they are on ABC.com, I’m not tempted to watch. Your comments just reaffirm that decision.
Welcome aboard Melmc.
Just beware the fanboy douche nozzles that like to roam these parts.
It’s best to skip past their rants.
“fanboy douche nozzles”
Hahaha. I’m so going to use that in a sentence every chance I get.
yes!!! welcome to the non watching community! don’t you feel happier? one less thing to be upset about.
You know Locke’s character is written to be somewhat smart and possess good instincts… we all know what one computer on the island did… so when he finds another one he just sits down like nothing and starts tinkering with it?!?! OOOOOOOk whatever.
So Kate and Sayid find find the jungle shandy wired with C-4, do they get out? do they warn Locke? Do they try to deactivate the explosives? nah they just keep snooping around. Come on. Oh BTW Sayid “Knows” someone else is down there and their probibly not friendly. So as their snooping Kate just walks around with her rifle slung over her shoulder. Good job! U deserved to get your butt kicked.
BTW is anyone sick of the LACK of violence on the part of the main characters towards “the others”? Remeber the raft, the others shot Sawyer. Not to mention the kidnappings, beatings and attempted murder Sawyer suffered. Why are the main characters all timid as if they need a UN resolution to do anything about it? It was like a big deal when they shot the blonde girl on the sail boat ooooooooooooo. Really, it’s ok to kill people who are trying, or have tried to kill u or your friends.
Russian boy shot Sayid, then tried to kill him with his bare hands after iced-T. Then, he even tells Sayid I’m gonna get loose, and kill ya. Ummmmm ok u make a good point comrade, that about does it for me, here’s a bullet that’ll fit nicely in your skull… no hard feelings eh, click, boom dead buh-bye.
I know it’s been said before, but it’s so sad how good this show once was, and how lame it has become. The only reason I watch anymore is to listen to Sawyer’s wise cracks towards the rest of the castaways. But they even took that away from us last nightwhen he lost the ping pong game?!?!?!?!?
That was kind of the whole point of my post- the fact we’re supposed to have any kind of sympathy or love for these idiots who sit around & let themselves get picked off one by one. Whether it’s ignoring the problem for a relaxing game of ping pong or letting Patchy McRussian off the hook so easy, it’s just frustrating as hell.
See, this is why I’ve got some sympathy for the show’s writers. On other boards, 90% of the posts I’ve read are from people who utterly fucking loathe the fact that all Sawyer does is create clever nicknames for his fellow castaways. And now that the creators have gotten rid of that little character trait (at least for a week), people are pissed off that they don’t get to hear the nicknames anymore. I get the feeling that no matter what they do, people are going to get annoyed. I don’t envy their situation.
not speaking for DC…
it’s a fair point that the show/writers won’t please everyone. but, I think sawyer’s nicknames are an example of how the writers pander and use gimics. the fact that his nicknames became so popular with the audience was not lost of the writers. so for them to base (an admitedly small) story line on sawyer giving up his nicknames seems a little hokey to me.
I don’t think it’s a big deal and I pretty much dismissed that part of the episode, which I thought was overall decent.
wernt they forming an army ast some point?what happened to that , oh they gave away there guns…humm smart.and in lockes defense when i came bac from a 3 week hike i saw a tv and just stared at it ,youd be surprised at what you miss being around f***king trees .
They still have more guns somewhere I’m sure. Sawyer is hiding them in Hurley’s butt crack perhaps. I mean you could fit a battleship in there fer chrissake.
I THOUGHT WE WEREN’T GOING TO TALK ABOUT HURLEY’S BUTT CRACK ANYMORE!?!?
I was considerably disgusted with the last episode of Lost. Can the writers please have Sawyer move on from his selfish and only-childlike ways already? I am so tired of him harping his fellow survivors for his “stuff”. This is just tiresome. His character is too one-dimensional: selfish. OK, he’s selfish, now what? He’s too selfish to assist Kate (jealous of her latent feelings for Jack), too selfish to go looking for the kid that accompanied them from the “other” island. The writers seem bent on keeping their characters locked in an unbending rigidity. Jack must always be stubborn and have his way, Kate must always be a sniveling harpy, Locke must always be a flake with an independent streak, Sayid must always be a sadist with impulses of redemption, and so on and so on…
Rousseau, in lamentably stereotypical French fashion, decides to hide out in ear-shot while the gang of three ransack the one-eyed Russian’s shack. She explains (as to quell our curiosity as to why she hasn’t found a farm in the middle of the island in 16 years) that she has stayed alive by being a hermit and in a state of constant concealment. Thank you writers for explaining that so matter of factly.
John is drawn to the computer screen like moth to a flame. Apparently, back in his wheelchair days, stuck in the prison of his unfunctioning body and the lonliness of his apartment he was basking in the glow and camaraderie of his computer screen (like so many of us). He just can’t resist the computer’s charms… his long lost friend beckoning him. This trait is annoying, and obvious. We all knew he would be back playing with the computer while Igor(ed) escaped bondage.
I was almost put to sleep by the Persian’s story of her tortured cat. It almost bordered on sexual allegory, or at least I interpreted it that way to fight off the somnolent scene.
In all, nothing much transpired. As far as another black character being killed; again it is Hawaii and not the Caribbean. This tropical island is staying true to form (tongue firmly in cheek).
The ping-pong scene was a time-filler. A last attempt to bring Sawyer’s character around once and for good. Hopefully, it will foreshadow Claire’s baby choking to death on the improperly stowed ball next week followed by her hanging herself with bedsheets from a coconut palm. One may still dream, no?
I think you’re right on, Frenchie (sorry…am I channeling sawyer?).
I started to get totally annoyed with this in season II. the characters just didn’t continue to develop. or…they developed in really strange ways (e.g. sawyer still acts like a 2 year old re: ‘his stuff’, yet gets all sensitive, does his hair with kate, etc.).
and jack…jack…man…really, how many times do we have to see him angst-ridden, frustrated, or apoplectic? I know they’ve only been on the island for a month or two, but 1) it’s a pretty life altering event crashing on a strange island, wouldn’t they all change a little bit??? 2) just b/c THEY’VE only been there 60 days, we’ve watched them act the same for 2.5 years!! c’mon!
Yeah, a funeral on the beach for a baby would be REALLY dramatic!
I’m just looking to thin the cast. There are quite a few insignificant characters, none more so than Claire and her baby. I think we only had to endure 2 flashbacks with her character. They can off her, then the hobbit, then permanent botox smile. I’m sure they can come up with a dramatic event to eliminate all four simultaneously… uh, maybe not. I only welcome having less characters for the writers to create tangents with.
you all complain about lost, but you guys could never come up with something like this sooo imaginative.
come on ignore the next week episode announcer, the producers have nothing to do with it. they dislike him also
Yes, only professional TV writers should be able to enjoy watching TV without having their intelligence insulted. Because we all know that Hollywood is a bastion of intelligence & good taste. Especially TV writers, I mean they in no way have a reputation for being hacks or anything…
Lost? Imaginative? Castaways on a deserted island…yeah, I’m so jealous they came up with that highly original idea before I did.
*Cough* Lay off Hollywood, Nico!
i forgot the name of it but there was a show about a plane crash on an island with bunkers . very imaginative
Why, are you a denizen of LaLa Land? Hmmm, perhaps a server at Bennegan’s whilst waiting for the big break? Just kidding of course, you seem way too intelligent for that.
P.S.
Why is the new season of Southpark not on iTunes?
Another upcoming scene from upcoming Lost episode (between Ben and Rousseau)!
Ben/Henry (seeing Rousseau enter an unidentified room in the Hydra station): Hello there, have we met before?
Rousseau: Yes, don’t you remember when I captured you in the tree net and then shot you with an arrow through your back when you tried to escape?
Ben: Oh yeah, that was right before I was taken by those plane crash survivors and led to a cell and tortured by some deranged Arab.
Rousseau: I don’t know anything about that, but it might be the same Arab whom I tortured myself a few weeks before that — I wonder if he picked up any torture tricks from me?
Ben: Yes, how many Arabs can there be on this island? This isn’t a Camus novel after all.
Rousseau: Well, I have a question, can you please tell me how it is that I have been on this island for 16 years and failed to notice that you and your group are living in a modern village in the middle of the island? I mean, I am a trained cartographer, so you’d think I would have come across it at some point.
Ben: I will answer that question, if you answer this one: How do I have a daughter named Alex who is 16 years old — the same name and age as your daughter — when you and I never met before you shot me through the back with the arrow?
Rousseau: Oh well that’s an easy one, when you first came onto the scene last year — er I mean last week — you were only supposed to be a minor character who would appear in a few episodes, but the audience loved your whole creepy diabolical mystery vibe, so the producers decided to keep you on and make you one of the major characters of the series. So it would make sense that you would have some connection to my daughter Alex since, as you know, everything on this show is related to everything else in some way.
Ben: So we did have Alex together?
Rousseau: Yes, there is a guy back with the crash survivors named Desmond who can explain it better than me. You should talk to him. Now please answer my question.
Ben: Oh well, I guess it’s really the same answer. My group “the others” (we don’t call ourselves that — I’m not sure where the name came from — we call ourselves “the good guys”) used to be some shadowy tribe that would always make weird whispering sounds before we appeared to the crash survivors. But hey, we can’t be that forever, and at some point they had to put “some meat on them bones” so we evolved from a group of redneck, modern day pirates to a civilized community with cul de sacs and book of the month clubs. Make sense?
Rousseau: Not really, I think we need Desmond for that one too. But now that we have reconnected, shouldn’t we work out some custody arrangement regarding Alex? I have to catch up on what she has been up to for the last 16 years, and please tell me you raised her to be Catholic.
Ben: I’ve got the paperwork right here, fortunately, we have a great family law lawyer in our group of “others” and it’s a good thing, because I understand that there are no lawyers among the crash survivors, so I wouldn’t have been able to use the “kidnap the spinal surgeon to remove my life threatening tumor” plan for that problem.
(Rousseau and Ben sit down at a conference table to go over the paperwork, Ben stares out blankly, as eerie music plays to set up Ben’s next flashback scene)
if only lost had writers like you, hell she didnt even ask why he took her kid, you should at least submit this to SNL saturday night live .its to good to go to waste
nice! you were spot on last epi…my money’s on you!
“I have a question, can you please tell me how it is that I have been on this island for 16 years and failed to notice that you and your group are living in a modern village in the middle of the island?”
did you notice they conveniently answered this nugget by having Rousseau say some BS like “I survive by avoiding these types of situations”…uh…how much does she REALLY want to find her daughter if she avoids looking for her by avoiding any other sentient life???? bizarre.
A Camus novel… how novel!
I am beginning to feel like the protagonist from L’Étranger: totally apathetic!
Alex is Ben’s daughter because he kidnapped her and adopted her(?), that, or Rousseau was artificially inseminated or something(?). Another can of worms either way!
OMG THAT IS THE FUNNIES THING I HAVE READ. You TOTALLY have the show nailed that they are just running with things as they go and not bothering to reconcile anything.
You’d think a crazy french woman *would* figure out she was a few jungle miles from Pleasantville, and you’d think that at some point they would want to explain why Alex runs around the woods and hides in holes when she is apparently so powerful she can threaten to tell Daddy on anyone she wants.
Bravo!!! If the writers of Lost don’t hire you immediately they should be dragged into the street like Mussolini and booted in the head. Seriously, not only is it funny but you managed to get a Camus referrence in there! Top drawer my friend, top drawer.
Wasn’t it? That was genius, Tommy.
you should start posting some of the Lost fans feedback, or at least have a post with a few samples on them. i’m curious what people have to say and what are some of the non sequitur arguements coming from both sides would be. i personally enjoy the show, but i think a post for the fans would be funny.
-j
Man – I wait until the end of day after the show to get on here and already 81 posts.
Last night really wasn’t that bad as many have alluded to. I would say it was even downright watchable…and possibly, may I dare say it, a little enjoyable. Yes, there were major problems – like Locke has become a bumbling dork compared to the intellectual bad ass superhero he was in the beginning (like Yoda and John McClane rolled into one). Unfortunately, he has been my favorite from day one and so it pains me to see him degraded into his current status. Fortunately, Sayid has always been not far behind as a favorite so it was great to see him back in the action and kicking butt (except I must agree that he should not have suddenly developed a kind, gentle attitude compared to his torturing ways of a few weeks ago in the hatch).
The flashbacks didn’t do much to add to the program but they at least had some depth in the characters involved.
The ping pong also didn’t do much but at least it was barely there. I was truly afraid the majority of the show was going to be about a stupid ping pong game.
Finally, I hate to say it, but I think that even during much of the first season when things were so great, only about the same amount of stuff happened as last night. But, at this point, we’ve been strung along for so long that only an episode that solves several MAJOR mysteries will be accepted as worthwhile.
I’d actually give it a “B” for this week.
I too counted Locke as a favorite. I liked the fact that he challenged Jack, the de facto leader, through his passive resistance. I like the fact that he took a philosophical and often metaphysical approach to the island and the strange occurrences transpiring there. Where as Jack, because he’s a doctor, a man of science, always regarded his way (the ostensibly logical way) as the right way. Too bad they are trapped in a place where logic and the laws of nature do not seem to always apply.
Now Locke has become a bit of a bumbler. His Zen like disposition has been replaced with childlike inquisitiveness (”Oh, a button, let me push it!”).
Sayid has lost his rudder. He was always determined to discover ways off the island, but after the kidnapping of Hurley, Kate, Jack, and Sawyer he seemed to have lost this zeal. I think the show went too long with the episodes in “the others” camp, leaving us to wonder what was happening with Sayid, Locke, etc…
Also, just saw this on tv.com regarding last night’s nielsen ratings:
At 10 p.m., a “CSI: NY” rerun, 7.8/13, on CBS edged ABC’s “Lost,” 7.6/12, for the top spot. “Medium” came in at 5.8/10 for NBC.
Full page: http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings030807,0,1598089.story?coll=zap-tv-ratings-headlines
Well done, outscored by a rerun.
tv.com summary of Nielsen ratings from last night:
At 10 p.m., a “CSI: NY” rerun, 7.8/13, on CBS edged ABC’s “Lost,” 7.6/12, for the top spot. “Medium” came in at 5.8/10 for NBC.
Full article:
http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings030807,0,1598089.story?coll=zap-tv-ratings-headlines
Well done. Get beat out by a rerun.
Also, check out the ratings for last night.
From TV.com: “At 10 p.m., a “CSI: NY” rerun, 7.8/13, on CBS edged ABC’s “Lost,” 7.6/12, for the top spot. “Medium” came in at 5.8/10 for NBC.”
Beaten by a rerun…Well Done.
lol, that’s sorta funny
Medium is a good show
I recommend it.
killer polar bears? hey….wouldn’t you guys be pee’d off if a plane crashed on your habitat? polar bears came first….therefore they can eat however they want…go get ‘em black smoke…
I was thinking about sawyer’s inability to recognize nikki, seems really odd to me.
as a dude (other dudes will back me up), I can tell you that when a guy enters a bar, workplace, coffee shop, classroom, football stadium, within 5 minutes he can tell you how many hot chicks are present and where they are.
for sawyer to not notice nikki after 60+ days on the same beach and only 40 some survivors…c’mon. now THAT’S disingenuous.
Yes, which begs the question- are they spies or something? Which would be even more disingeneous.
I agree, not very believeable that Sawyer would not recognize Nikki. It felt more like something the audience at home would be thinking about those two goofballs who seemingly came out of nowhere. I am still holding out hope that they will be killed off the show soon, they add nothing other than creating a possible “jump the shark” point.
from today’s Boston Globe, talking about a cross-over b/w HEROES and LOST…
BEGIN QUOTE
And Lindelof has a thought.
“If there was ever a crossover,” Lindelof said, “[Hiro] would pop up, appear on the beach for, like, two seconds. He’d look at Hurley and he’d say, ‘Hello,’ and Hurley would say, ‘Hello,’ and then he would disappear again. And that would be it.”
Cuse, Lindelof, and Kring all agree that’s unlikely to happen. The shows are produced by different studios and networks – all with different lawyers – and the paperwork hurdle would likely be insurmountable. But Kring, for one, says he loves the idea.
“If we could talk them into doing it,” he said, “we’d do it.”
END QUOTE
man, I don’t watch ‘heroes’, but a hack ploy like this would absolutely relegate me to FORMER lost viewer.
I doubt the producers of Heroes would let the most popular character on their show anywhere near the fetid, rotting corpse of Lost. However, I agree… that would get me to stop watching even for curiosity’s sake. That or the Libby in a polar bear suit thing…
I have a certain feeling that “Heroes brought to you by Nissan Versa” is heading down the same road.
Another show that wasn’t expected to make it becoming a hit.
Heroes already has the feel of a program with a limited shelf life. There’s really not much room for them to go though, like Lost, the complete utter fantasy of the entire plot presents them with a lot of creative ‘outs’.
Every season a new villain, a new city to be blown up… sounds like 24 (pure crap).
These people on the island are just too much of a family. In just two months (or is it three now?) they all just trust each other and have forgotten the real world. People just wouldn’t be acting like this.
Sun talks to Jin in Korean? Just last week she told him from now on I’m only talking to you in English, because that’s the best way to learn.
Kate’s all freaked out about Jack. She says that they have to find him. She says that the black lady would know where they moved him. How in the world would she know they moved him? She left before knowing they moved him!!
They find the house. Sayid puts his hands up in the air as if someone had a gun on him. Why didn’t he just walk normal to the door? Whatever. Patchy shoots Sayid … Kate and Locke take over … they go into the home only to not even check out the whole place? There could be other people in there. Locke goes to play chess. Patch guy takes the bullet out of Sayid and sews him up … only to attack him? Would it not have been better to have one of the strongest guys more wounded, rather than sewed up? No, let me fix you all up so I can kill you, cause that’s what I plan to do. Makes no sense.
Sayid’s flashback was okay, I suppose. It’s just I knew exactly what he’d say and what she’d say.
Oh please, Ping-Pong?? Okay, they have a bet … if Hurley wins, Sawyer has to stop calling them names?? For a week? Why not forever!?! And why not tell him if he loses he does not get his stuff back, if he wins, he does. Plain and simple. But noooo, they want him to stop calling them names …what a dumb, whiny bet that is.
They kill off the black woman. They’re going to kill off everything and everyone on this show, so they don’t have to explain anything.
I have watched every single episode. This was my last.
And before anyone says this, I know a lot of those things are “small”. Thing is, it is the “small” details on TV shows that make them intelligent or dumb, and Lost’s details simply ruin the show. Would it really be so hard to just make things make a LITTLE bit of sense?
Sure the ping-pong didn’t have a lot of screen time, but someone needs to explain to me why they’re playing it in the first place. Sun talking to Jin in Korean is nearly a blink-and-you-miss-it detail, but it insults the viewer’s intelligence of the fact that we were told she’d do the exact opposite in the previous episode.
THAT’s why these details are important. They take away from any credibility that the show has. And realism doesn’t mean taking away fantasy elements like the polar bears and black smoke, it’s keeping the CHARACTERS realistic. If they act how you feel you would act in that situation, it makes you more easy to go along with the ride. But when they do stupid things (like playing ping-pong when they were in a plane crash only a couple months ago, still stranded, with people dying almost constantly, weird, wacko stuff happening, and a member of the plane that you considered a leader still kidnapped), the show becomes a complete dud. And unable to entertain me.
Sad, but true.
AC – you make a really good point, and it’s something a few of the droolers always bring up when people say the show has become preposterous. “There have always been sci-fi elements to the show. You’re not supposed to have to believe anything.” I’ll buy that for a few things – surviving the crash, eerie noises in the forests, polar bears, whatever – but not for the very HUMAN aspects of the show. Hatches and buttons and Dharma Initiative rejects, none of that is going to explain how Michael turned on a dime and became a cold-hearted murderer. When’s the last time you heard of a grieving parent whose kid got snatched shooting innocent people because of it? It’s a lazy plot twist (and another thing that pisses me off about the writers and producers – when they tried to claim that Libby and Ana “BACK UP!” Lucia getting killed off the show had nothing to do with their drunk driving convictions. Uh-huh. Sure. Why don’t you just send a memo out to everyone in the audience that says “we think you’re stupid”?)
Am I one of these alleged droolers? I only ask because I just posted something similar to what you just said on this very site. Seriously, mock rabid Lost fans all you want, but there really aren’t any posting to this blog, so no offense, but I’m not sure why you keep bringing them up. I mean, they’re not really here, and turning this site — which I’ve found is actually a pretty legitimate sounding board for some who aren’t satisfied with the show — into an us-versus-them flamewar isn’t really the way to go. Just my opinion.
As far as what you said about Michael, you can’t really compare some random parent with a lost child to a parent with a lost child on a scary mysterious evil island. Said parent had also been told by a group of enigmatic island-dwellers that he had to let that Ben douchebag go, so it’s not like his behavior was totally unwarranted.
Re: whether or not shooting Ana-Lucia was the correct move — if I were in his shoes, I would have totally shot that bitch, let Ben go, and left with my son. He’s a parent, and his son was in danger, so it’s not really that unusual that he wasn’t being rational. And calling him a cold-blooded killer implies he had no emotional response or distress to the shooting, which I believe he did.
As far as the drunk-driving convictions go, yeah, I’m with you there, as is much of the world.
Not at all, JT. You’re always reasonable, but it just seems like one of those “then just stop watching it if you don’t like it” people seem to show up in every thread. You’re right, it’s not so bad here, but at places like IMDb, they’re a pain in the ass (no surprise there. That place attracts people like that like a magnet). It’s not an us-versus-them thing for me. Like I’ve said before, I’m glad some people are still enjoying the show. But I don’t get in their face on the fan sites, so I don’t see why they have to come here and get in ours. It’s just the smugness of that attitude that upsets me.
And don’t get me wrong about the actual act of Ana Lucia getting shot. I don’t think I’ve ever cheered louder while watching a TV show before (”I can finally stop yelling the ‘c-word’ at the TV!”) I just didn’t see the motivation being dire enough to kill over. And then the little group romp into the wild to confront the “others”? AFTER they got their hands on Desmond’s boat? That’s pretty much when the show just bottomed out for me.
I’ve seen plenty of people get uppity when you mention the DUIs being the reason for Watros and Rodriguez were axed from the show. “The producers said they planned it before that! The writers said that’s not the reason!” as if everything these people burp up is written on tablets carried down from Mt. Sinai. It’s annoying.
Understood, Em, and thanks for the clarification. And though I wish I could take the moral high ground here, my first post to this site made me look exactly like one of those toolboxes who you (rightfully) despise. That was a mistake, ’cause I assumed that the only people posting here would be slack-jawed retards posting shit like “I HATE THIS SHOW BECUZ HURLEY IZ STILL FAT.” Glad to be proven wrong. (I mean, I personally don’t lose a whole fuckload of sleep thinking about why a fat man is still fat. I think he’d be less funny and entertaining if he were thin, so why take that away?)
I think several people, myself included, saw this site as a means to finally slam back at the people who, in my opinion, mercilessly bash the show regardless of whether or not it contains quality content. I still feel like there’s this subset of people out there who could be shown an absolutely stellar piece of television programming and still find things wrong with it, just to show that they could.
I mean, even people who had written off the show are at least conceding on this site that Wednesday’s ep was, for the most part, pretty solid fare, but then there are people bitching about the shooting of…Mrs. Klugh? Who the fuck CARES about Mrs. Klugh? She was a minor character whose claim to fame was that…scratch that. She had no claim to fame. That’s like me complaining that Scott or Steve (forget which one) had his neck snapped.
That might be a shitty comparison, but you catch my drift.
Oh, I totally know what you mean about those types of people – especially the self-righteous, condescending “I only watch PBS” types. Whatever. Some people slam “Lost” just because it’s popular in a fit of elitist snobbery, as if to say “if masses of the Great Unwashed like it, it must be beneath me.” If this site had just been a pure bash site started by someone who didn’t like the show from the start, I wouldn’t be here. I don’t see much merit in sites like that.
JT, you think Hurley wouldn’t be as funny if he were thin? I find that offensive. His size should have nothing to do with his personality.
And it goes to a prejudice that fat people are funny and, what? Thin people aren’t?
Besides that, Hurley’s size does still factor into the unrelaistic nature the show now has. A normal person wouldn’t have gained more weight! He would’ve (let’s be honest) LOST weight by now, even if it were just a little bit.
But, no matter what, the fact of him being fat, skinny, or in between should have nothing to do with how “entertaining” he is.
Yes, I think that if Hurley were skinnier, I think he would be less funny. Sorry. If that affects you on an emotional level or reflects some kind of horrible bias on my part, again, I apologize, but it’s my opinion, and I’m certainly entitled to it, aren’t I? I just happen to think fat people are funny. It’s not an insult on my part, and I think you bristling at it is a little uncalled for. I said nothing really that offensive, and certainly nothing more offensive than some of the posts on this site. And yes, thin people are funny, but I don’t think Jorge Garcia — as a thin person — would be as funny. Would Chris Farley have been funny if he had weighed 100 pounds?
Last week, I saw some posts referring to Hurley’s anus and the cheese that lurked there. I didn’t see anyone leaping to the character’s defense there.
JT, I’m not leaping to the character’s defense (I’ve never been a huge Hurley fan), but more to the bias that did seem apparent in your post. But with Hurley’s voice and expressions, I definitely believe he would be funny thin as well.
Farley would not have been funny at 100 pounds … he’d be almost dead! LOL. I believe that, being funny, you either have it or you don’t and fat or thin has nothing to do with it.
But I certainly agree to disagree. We both have the right to our opinions.
Actally, I think I’m perfectly justified for bitching about the sudden death of Ms. Klugh. As I said previously, she actually was very scary (her interaction with Walt especially) compared to most of the lame, nameless “others”. Also, she was an integral part of the plot dealing with Michael & Walt that has been inexplicably (or not, contract negotiations are a bitch…) forgotten about this season. So it was just a big reminder about how far off course LOST has gotten this season.
Which nameless Others? All of the prominently featured Others have names, as far as I know, and they’re all a fuckload more menacing than Mrs. Klugh. Every scene the woman was *in* bored the living Christ out of me. Ethan? He was scary. Mr. Friendly when he kidnapped Walt way back at the end of season one? He was scary. Mrs. Klugh? Not scary in the slightest. She was a grunt for the Others. That’s it.
Besides, why keep her around? What useful purpose could she *possibly* have in the series’ mythology? It’s been proven so far that all the Others really do is lie to the castaways. So if we kept her on the show, we would have another character…to lie to the castaways and provide misleading information. When the list of tertiary side characters is already so long, why keep people like that around? So she could sit around and look intimidating?
As far as contract negotiations go: I thought that Michael and Walt left because of Malcolm David Kelley’s growth spurt.
I dunno’, I guess what bothers me about most of the “Others” (who I realize are not LITERALLY nameless thank you) is that they are all very recognizable character actors. For example: the guy that Juliette shoots on the beach (see, I already forgot his name) is “Buck” from Kill Bill Vol. 1. I’ve seen them all hundreds of times (usually playing villians might I add) in movies & TV shows. I don’t recall seeing Ms. Klugh in so many other things. Plus, she always looked at Walt like he was something good to eat, creepy & understated.
NEXT WEEK ON LOST: A FANTASTIC CONNECTION YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER PREDICT BECAUSE IT’S TANGENTAL GETS REVEALED:
Claire: WHO ahhhhh you?
Desmond: I’m Irish. I mean Scottish. I’m not sure what I am. The accent is all over the place from season to season. First I was a crazy man in a hole pushing a button to stop the world from ending. It’s not clear why I was pushing it.
Claire: Why did you think the world would end if you didn’t push the button.
Desmond: This guy from the Shawshank redemption told me. You know, the one who played the really mean head guard? He said if I didn’t push this button, the world would end.
Claire: And you believed him? WHY???
Desmond: I’m not quite sure. Anytime someone asks me why I was pushing the button, I either ask another question or give a cryptic answer that seems to satisfy them. Or I remind them of that cryptic video with the Asian dude, who mentions something about an overload without actually referring to any Noun or process that would indicate what was being overloaded. In other words, it’s not a technical video.
Claire: Wait, so you don’t know why you were pushing the button? You don’t have any secrets?
Desmond: Well, I did, originally, two years ago– I mean last week. But that was when I was a new character, and they were dangling me like bait in front of the audience, as if I would give some answers.
Claire: Bait?
Desmond: Yeah, so you would watch the next season for answer. And I played along. After the show’s hiatus– I mean, 5 days ago, I spontaneously forgot everything that I had learned earlier. On top of that, they shifted attention over to the Others.
Claire: So you don’t remember anything??
Desmond: Well, sometimes I remember bits and fleeting pieces. But every time I try to explain something, words don’t come out of my mouth. Instead there is this annoying wooooshing sound and I suddenly have a flashback of something that doesn’t reveal any answers. And then when that passes, I go back to saying cryptic comments or asking questions again.
Claire: Can you *try* to remember.
Desmond: Okay. Let’s think. WAIT! I’ve got it! I think the giant magnets were to–
(wooshing sounds starts)
Desmond: —- shit. It’s starting again.
Claire: What?
Desmond: The wooshing sound. If I say anymore about it, I’m going to have a flashback that won’t answer anything.
Claire: Tell me!! (kicking him in the shins)
Desmond: OKAY! The magnets control the field disper—
(Flashback of Desmond watching the Asian man on the video saying “The magnets control the field disper–” which triggers a Flashback of Desmond having sex with Claire in one of the Australian ports on his round the world sailing trip)
Desmond: WHOA. (stepping away from Claire)
Claire: WAAAT?
Desmond: Umm nothing luv. Nothing at all.
Claire: WHAT?! WHAT DID YOU SEE? It’s about me isn’t it??
Desmond: Well. Yes
Claire: WHAT?!!! I’LL START WHINGING IF YOU DON’T TELL ME!!!
Desmond: OKAY! I’m Erin’s father.
Claire: WHO the fuck is ERIN?
Desmond: Your baby???
Claire: Oh yeah……. Shit, did I leave him with the junkie again?
Desmond: Dunno luv. Do I sound like I’m from Newcastle now?
Claire: Kind of. Wait, so if we’ve had sex, how come I don’t remember.
Desmond: I was wearing an eyepatch, and me beard was much longer.
Claire: Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
“…and me beard was much longer…”
was he a pirate??? ; )
arrrgh…and me treasure, stay away from me treasure!
nice job. some funny stuff.
Maybe he was a pirate. The eye patches, beards and African-Man-Walking-Sticks of this show make me think I’m watching a comic book. I noticed that Actor Mc. Patchy failed to put the Patch on his correct (right) eye in one of the scenes for next week. I mean, come on people. It’s on thing if your character is *so* boring you need to make him mysterious with one eye and a patch– but for the love of pete, have the care to keep it on the correct side.
Remember when the Others were wearing that Arrggh pirate stuff when they blew up the raft? I’m convinced the writers thought “nawww that’s a little too arggh pirate and cheezy, let’s make them admit it was a costume in the next season” (OMG LOOK I FOUND A FAKE BEARD, THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! THE OTHERS HAVE RAZOR BLADES!!)
I agree, I think the beard was meant to be real at first. Just another Klugh, er I mean clue to the fact the writers have no Klugh, er…clue about what the future plot of the show is going to be.
OMG, that’s too funny. More please! Who said we can’t have some good Lost fanfiction on this site!
former-fan fic
Ah yes, a whole new genre! The Dharma (TM) Brand Former Fan Fiction & Magnetic Anomoly Website (TM).
I have been giving an element of the last episode much thought as of late. The writers did catch me off guard. I thought for sure Jin would be playing Sawyer in the ping-pong tourney. It was pretty much entrapment on their part the way I have come to figure. First, they (Sun & Jin) regressed to speaking in Korean (leaving most of the audience unable to understand their conversation). Second, Sun lays the ground rules, thus leading me to infer that either her or Jin were Asian ping-pong prodigies, one of whom would challenge Sawyer. I was snookered, no? Next scene they show Hurley (a drastic juxtoposition-the fat klutzy guy) squared off against Sawyer, later offering the explanation of Hurley’s mother’s table and then becoming proficient having played for hours on end in the sanitarium. I felt foolish, like I was being callled a common bigot by the writers for falling for the stereotype of preternatural Asiatic ping-pong players. This is just one of the little slap in the faces I endure through the season leaving my face reddened and my conscience bruised. I was set-up, as I will be again, and only to be called a fool for letting them do it to me. I know this may sound preposterous or reaching, but it does happen time and again. Has a show ever demonstrated such contempt for, and questioned the intelligence of its viewership so often as Lost has? This is most disrespectful.
you’re right. they did set it up that way. but, no. they don’t have contempt for, nor do they question the intelligence of, their audience.
I actully think the opposite to be true: they make you (audience) feel artificially smart by pretending the show is deep and complex by making inane and obvious but totally unnecessary references to real life figures (e.g. John Locke??? desmond david hume??? Rousseau??? c’mon…for crying out loud how lame is that!??! Immanuel Kant will show up in some form soon).
Yes, and did you hear that the full name of the character Tom (aka “Mr. Friendly”) is Thomas Aquinas?
My guess is that they eschewed the “Asian ping pong” stereotype to mollify those enraged by all the black characters being killed off or banished (Eko, Michael, Walt, Rose, and the black lady from the last episode with the Dutch name — I’m probably missing a few others – AnaL, was she part black? Close enough for the writers I guess). Funny that the ping pong game lasted all of three seconds, I can imagine what the filming of that was like on a windy beach. After about 1,000 takes, they probably just threw their hands in the air and declared “just CGI it”. BTW, kudos to Evil for the spoiler Desmond/Claire scene above
Think about it. If they didn’t kill off Random-Ukranian-Speaking Black Lady, what would the “DRAMA” for the show be for the week? The ping pong tournament? Capturing Patchy? Lost writers think that if they don’t shock people with meaningless violence or the occasional explosion, that the episode is crap.
Someone needs to document all these Red Shirts and see how many there are per episode.
I also find it funny that everyone is on a first name basis with the enemy, when they have supposedly only been there a few weeks. Do you think you would call the evil other lord “Ben”? I can think of a few other things I would call him.
And another thing, at some point they are going to have to call them something other than the “others” — which others? the scientists? the crazy French and Scottish people who happen to land on the island? The writers have made it clear they have no interest in limiting the number of others to a definable set of people in the case the show gets so boring that they need to have a cruise ship run aground or a school bus filled with wet teeshirt contestants mysteriously appear out of thin air.
The Swedish Bikini Team crash lands their party boat on the island!
See, I would watch that. At least then the show would pick its genre: sexual thriller farce.
I would watch it too & hate myself even more than I do now for watching LOST in it’s current incarnation. I can see it now: A polar bear pulling the bikini bottom off a girl in the style of one of the old Coppertone ads. Shit… I think we’re on to something here…
ok i like lost, im a big fan. i happened to find this site the other day accidentally, and ive gotta say, im glad this sites here. i dont know why other lost fans are complaining, if anything this is better. on a lost site i go on, people get sick of people creating threads on how much they hate the show, but these people have done what we wanted, theyve made there own place to complain about the show without bothering us so why are some of you coming on and complaining, so they dont like it, so there complaining about it, at least there not bothering us about it on the abc forums or the tv.com forums…
Wow!
Thanks for getting it.
Ya, cool comment.
Much appreciated, Mike. Notwithstanding your incorrect use of verb contractions and the possessive form, I feel vindicated by your acceptance of our raison d’être as a Lost bitching platform. “Hey Mikey, he gets it.” I am touched. Truly.
Actually I found this post to annoying in the extreme. “At least they’re not bothering us about in on the ABC forums or the tv.com forums…” What a jack-hole! Guess nobody on the mainstream forums is entitled to a differing opinion… Facists everywhere I tells ya’.
Nico, I saw this episode, and I have to agree on this. I think the way the characters behave is a serious flaw of the show. Just try to relate to any of the character for more than one instant, and the moment you least expect it, he or she is acting as if on some kind of drug. Catharsis? Forget it, you won’t find it in this show, not anymore.
The behavior of the characters of “Lost” is like the handling of marionettes by a group of puppeteers (the scriptwriters, of course). The characters’ reactions to all the events in the island defy the natural behavior of a “normal” person. Who would have acted the way Michael did with Ana Lucia? Is that normal, even under the heavy stress we believe he’s in?
When will these characters start to think, instead of behaving like puppets (mechanically repeating scripts)? When will they start to reason, instead of believing they are on a divine path where “missions” are assigned for them to complete? On the latter, yes, it’s true that even after three seasons we still don’t know the characters all that well (for that I’m sure the creators still have hours of flasbacks in their minds). Maybe when we do get to know them, we will understand what motivates these fellas. But until then, it’s getting boring. I liked this show. I hope it gets better, despite its increasing number of flaws.
Advice: Wait a year or two until the grand finale. If the comments turn out to be positive then, go ahead and rent the series.
Jake
Spoiler alert! After Locke throws Patchy into the fence, he’s imediately turned into a giant tree frog. Kate says “Oh my God!” Sayid immedidiately starts torturing the tree frog for answers. Lockes hits him over the head, because Dammit he’s the leader. Tree Frog says “You’ll never get anything out of me!” Immediately switch to flashback of Tree Forg as a tadpole in a the pond. AOne tdpole says to the other “How’d you get here?” Other tadpole “i watched Lost.”
Tadpole 1: How’d you get here?
Tadpole 2: I watched “Lost”
Tadpole 1: What’s that?
Tadpole 2: A TV show.
Tadpole 1: A what?
Tadpole 2: Oh right, you’re a tadpole, while I’m a Russian-Anarchist-become-tadpole. See, outside the water, there are Humans, and they have this invention called TV, which– sometimes — entertains them.
Tadpole 1: Sounds cool.
Tadpole 2: Yeah, well it sometimes backfires.
Tadpole 1: How so?
Tadpole 2: Sometimes, it makes people devolve into lower life forms.
Tadpole 1: Say what?
Tadpole 2: It turns people into lower life forms like slugs or insects or tadpoles.
Tadpole 1: Who you calling lower?!!
Tadpole 2: Look it’s not personal, I’m a tadpole too now.
Tadpole 1: Okay…. So how did you get here?
Tadpole 2: Because of TV. You see, on TV they have this thing called a show. And sometimes a show takes it self WAY to seriously.
Tadpole 1: How so?
Tadpole 2: Well, the show pretends to have a greater point, or some life-giving purpose, when it really just exists to entertain and attract advertising dollars — forget about that last part — the point is, it goes beyond its mission.
Tadpole 1: Okay, so what?
Tadpole 2: So people who watch the show buy into it. They stop thinking for themselves, and they slowly devolve.
Tadpole 1: What does that have to do with you?
Tadpole 2: … I think I’m growing a flipper…
Tadpole 1: What does that have to do with you??!
Tadpole 2: OH. Well, I watched one of the TV shows that took itself too seriously. It was called “Lost” and it turned me into a tadpole.
Tadpole 1: Bummer.
Tadpole 2: I guess there is only one way out……
Tadpole 1: Oh yeah?
Tadpole 2: Yup. I’ve got to wait until I turn into a frog and some kid catches me and takes me home. Then, I have to destroy his TV. It’s the only way to break the spell. I must destroy TV before “Lost” devolves the entire world.
and being a frog, he’d destroy the TV by wizzing on it!
I might have to reverse my position on Paulo…
if rodrigo santoro shows up in tonight’s epi as a 7′ tall xerxes, now THAT’D be worth watching!
I think the writers have been licking frogs. Then they go sit in their sweatlodge, and write the script.