Claire - I am your father!
Tonight was another seemingly filler episode, with nothing earthshaking happening. There were seagulls chased and another never ending trek through the jungle. I guess we found out that Claire and Jack are half brother and sister, with the same alcoholic dad. I happened to be taking a sip of Heineken (ironically) when the “I am your father” line came out and nearly snorted it out my nose. Man, that was funny.
I could have also sworn that the sonic fence scene was the exact same location as the fence scene in Jurassic Park. Thank God for Locke for being the only one actually doing things these days. He’s blowing up buildings, shoving people into sonic fences. Keep kicking ass Locke; your fellow islanders are wussies.
I guess the final scene was supposed to be the big shocker that I’m sure will light up the real fanboy websites. Is football boy Jack an “other”? The problem that I just realized is that I don’t care. The show has moved so slowly in doling out these little nuggets that they lost me. It really doesn’t matter to me if Jack is an other, a dharma dude, or the new host of the price is right. It’s just past the point where I can bring myself to care. Timing is everything in life. If the producers would have paced this show better, I really think it could have been something great, but they got caught milking their own success. I found myself wishing for another 4 month show hiatus after tonight’s episode, which is not a good sign.
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1st post. ABC just Lost it. End the series already in a bad dream that Tom Hanks wakes up and tells Wilson about it.
LOL
Great idea
With that suggested ending, I think you outwitted the whole ingenious “Lost” writers team.
Personally, I wish the episode with the “final” finale comes soon. It could be titled “Cancellation”.
After what happened at the security fence, Patchy’s new name should be Foamy. And although the “football” scene was a bit of a surprise I guess, it was hilarious to see that Jack throws like a girl (no offense to women meant by that comment). Compared to Tom (aka “Mr. Friendly”) though, Jack is Peyton Manning.
Another cop out scene was at the beginning when Kate was talking to Rousseau and (finally) confronted her about not wondering about her daughter. Rousseau responds with some BS about not wanting to know and comparing it to Kate and Jack. This almost made me want to turn off the TV. Well Rousseau, if you ever do get to see your daughter, as is your claimed goal, you are gonna find out all that stuff you say you don’t want to know now (?) I suppose if Rousseau is an Other, that whole convo is irrelevant, except to demonstrate how gullible Kate is.
The flashback seemed pretty meaningless for the most part, except to show us that Claire and Jack are related and that Claire never gives up (and oh yeah, Claire looked HOT as a goth girl). It also gave Claire an opportunity to emote something terrible, as she blubbered for what seemed like 15 minutes over Terry Schiavo — er I mean her mom. On the island, Claire reminded me of some of my own past girlfriends, screaming at Charlie because he wasn’t psyched enough about catching some birds. She basically broke up with him over it, then, within a few hours, fell in love with him all over again. I can totally relate to the puzzled look on Charlie’s face at the end.
Finally, the Locke, Kate, Sayid, Rousseau train went almost no where. They spent the entire episode trying to figure out how to get over a fence that a 5th grader (pun intended) could have climbed over more quickly. The only plot movement was Patchy’s pre-death, rambling screed that was probably all a lie and the hunting party finally stumbling onto the village — and oh yeah, Jack and Tom are both gay (for hint see above regarding football tossing). This adds further support to my theory on “The Flame”.
FOAMY! nice. terry schiavo. that’s wrong.
I agree. I’d say the epi was spotty. I liked locke’s apparent return to cool and the jack twist at the end was a surprise to me, but I thought claire’s storyline seemed pretty manufactured and panderous (e.g. charlie: “how’d you know about the birds?” claire: “I saw it on a nature show”, flashback to hospital scence in mom’s room, on the tele is…a NATURE SHOW ABOUT BIRDS! OMG!!! she really DID watch a nature show!! producers will probably take credit for that being a question they answered).
I agree with Tyler, I probably SHOULD’VE been more enthused by this epi, but I’ve found myself caring less and less even when things do apparently progress.
and I agree with Tommy (I thought the same thing) re: Rousseau/Kate dialogue. it’s as if the writers thought somewhere, someone was slamming rousseau for not asking questions like a ‘good mother’ would. so, they answered those critics with that sappy line “after 16 years, would she know me”.
and finally, why I’d say the epi was again only moderately good, I found it hard to overcome claire’s manic behavior. she was pregnant 80 days ago. had the baby (when?). then charlie was shooting up so she banished him. but then let him back into her life and aaron’s. so charlie, the heroine fiend is mr. mom, but then claire comes up with this gem “I won’t let a liar near my baby” or something ridiculous.
a liar? you won’t let a liar near the baby…but junkies are ok? and all of this after charlie not too long ago stole aaron.
Wow, congratulations for managing to sound both sexist and homophobic in the same post. I do agree with your main point, however, that nothing much happened. Zzzzz.
Claire is the stereotypical irrational bitch. She reminds me of my ex girlfriend’s too.
Claire: You don’t want to try my mundane bird communication method which will never work because this island is Magikal? FINE! You know, I don’t think I want you hanging around my baby. I mean, it’s one thing that you are a Junkie and a danger to my infant– it’s another that you don’t buy into my usless mission! You’re supposed to stand by me forever and ever and ever!
(Claire storms off)
Charlie: Claire… I… uhhhhhhh… You all everybody?
(LATER ON)
Claire: Oh Chaaaaaarlie. My sweet little hobbit! WHY DIDN’T YOU TELL ME YOU’RE DESTINED TO DIE? I know I should be conforting you now, because *you* are the one that is going to die. And you think that I would be worried that my junkie-nanny-lover-with-whom-I-have-not-yet-had-sex is no longer going to be around to make me feel all Safey-Wafey, but HELL: Now that you are destined to die, you are not NEARLY as annoying, and if you think my bird idea is stupid, NO BIG DEAL: YOU’ll be dead in 3 episodes– I mean, 5 days.
Come here you heroine-loving-halfling! You are SO much more loveable with the sword of Damocles dangling over you.
Charlie: Can we have sex now?
Yeah, I would find it hard to care that much about a girl I wasn’t nailing as well… sorry ladies (all 2 of you).
maybee she would chill out if she let him hit it! com’on the man is gonna die nd hes been taking care of your sorry ass for to long now. im 4 claire lettin H-man hit it
Tyler,
Your comments about Timing are spot on.
I think this is the most frustrating thing about the show. It would still have it’s other flaws but, you would be less likely to notice them if the story had a good pace.
My opinion of this episode can be summed up in one word: “meh…”
It didn’t suck quite as voraciously as most this season, but it still sucked enough to bore me. The part with Locke, Sayid, Kate & Rousseau in the jungle was OK. I practically cheered out loud when Locke shoved “Patchy” into the force field thingy. It’s about time somebody grew a pair! Also, at least Kate started asking “Patchy” & Rousseau some questions. My goodness, some semi-realistic behaviour- how novel.
Sadly, the Claire story was Boring (with a capital B). Claire has always been my least favorite character (shit- I liked Shannon better than Claire), so I could care less about her whiny (of course), snivelling back story. Plus, I think we all figured out she is Jack’s 1/2 sister about the middle of season 2- but oooohhh- what a shocker!! I will however agree- she looked surprisingly good in goth gear & has some very pretty green eyes.
As for Jack being an “Other” (whether he’s really been brain washed or is just faking…), anybody who didn’t see that coming is giving the writers of the show WAY too much credit. It’s an obvious development to create artificial tension among the survivors. Now, as for the teaser- I will most assuredly be tuning in to see how Locke became paralyzed. If they screw that story up, it might be the final straw for me.
“Claire has always been my least favorite character”
yah, on second thought, bashing that part of the episode might not be very meaningful. I’ve always found claire’s character annoying, so her being MORE annoying last night isn’t saying much.
and…a submarine??? c’mon. more pandering.
What he said.
Did anyone else laugh hysterically when Jack spiked the ball? It just looked awkward. I don’t think he played a lot of football in his day.
Yeah, he looked like he was striking the “football in the park” pose from an old JC Penney menswear catalog.
The spike signified Jack’s having made it. He won. he’s leaving (or so he thinks). Just as a spike is an exclamation on a scoring drive, Jack’s was an exclamation on his machinations (his scoring drive), and his convoluted plot to get off.
Ironically, the spike is a taunt to his new opposition… his former teammates.
Sure, it looked ridiculous and lighthearted, but it was meant to when juxtaposed against the heroic and death defying journey that his former castaway friends just completed.
no, i think he just doesn’t know how to spike a ball correctly.
Jack’s rescue team defied cerebral hemmorage, a one-eyed russian sharpshooter, a pistol-packing au pair (the Afrique broad who begged for a cap in her ass), a C4 rigged cattle ranch, and an unbalanced French hermit/sniper only to see Jack snag a 20 yard hook pattern in the “end-zone” toppped with a spiked exclamation point.
Were you expecting T.O.?
It was a subdued spike, not a manic NFL in-your-face ghetto supa-star spike.
Actually, Matthew Fox was a tremendous athlete/jock in his younger years and played football at Columbia. The scene was awkward, because it was a stupis scene.
football at columbia. may as well say he was a fellow at the university of springfield (where the Simpsons live).
I could look it up, but I seem to recall that the Columbia football team had one of the all time longest losing streaks in NCAA history around the time that Fox would have been there — and that is playing against mostly Ivy League opponents.
LOST is now a Soap Opera.
The dialog, the story lines, the “plot twists”….everything is like something out of an All My Children episode.
I think the only redeeming part of this episode is when the blood was squirting out of Patchy’s ears. Amazingly enough, the exact same thing happened to me when Jack’s father told Claire the big news. I bet I am not alone.
Absolutey it is a soap opera. Future characters:
Jack’s twin. Jack’s illegitimate child. Patchy’s twin. Some plot about a demonic possession. Amnesia. what else?
triple brain transplant…
Or the polar bear rips off it’s head (revealing it to be a mask) and viola’- out pops Libby smoking a regulation Dharma ™ brand cigar…
After Jack goes flying off a bridge and has amnesia, that is….. (I had a gay roomate in college who used to watch Guiding Light all the time)
Really? ’cause I had a straight mother who used to torture me with the same show as a child…
Yeah, the character Riva was conveniently resurected from her death after 2 years or so off the show — with amnesia.
I swear, if Doctor McAlcoholic becomes the “big other honcho” and is not actually dead, “Lost” will have to go to the 2PM time slot.
Very interesting discussion.
Lost is like that soap opera… I forget the name with the midget warlock child and the old witch lady.
Afternoon fantasy soaps for the old woman lucky enough to be smoking medical marijuana for the glaucoma!
Only, with better production standards (i.e. not an old NY warehouse converted to a sound studio).
I remember Reba… that’s sad. My mother really traumatized me, maybe I should be living at the “Flame” station…heh,heh…
The soap opera of which you speak Laurent is called Passions. Damn you mommy! *sob*
Sorry, that should read Riva, not “Reba”. Eh, same difference.
i’ll be honest…the letter they strapped to the bird was halfway touching. & seeing a preview showing locke holding a gun to ben…halfway exciting. can’t wait to see how they f#$% it up.
agreed. locke has showed namby-panbyism by becoming confused when or indecisive when it counts. that he was able to ‘kill’ foamy last night gives me hope he won’t let ben go next week.
i’d imagine, locke feels betrayed personally by ben AND would like to get a little revenge. if ben is able to talk locke down from his vengeful ways, and locke returns to the confused dope he’s been lately, i’ll be disappointed.
I completely forgot about Locke knowing Ben already.
Damn this show moves slow.
Me too… wait, how did we know that again?
First, the bird will fly right back to her nest… on the same island. Second, as soon as it lands in the water to feed or float the note written on paper will dissolve and the ink will bleed, or both.
Pointless.
word up, french one! i thought the same thing about the bird, landing on water, note being ruined, all that beautiful prose all for nothing.
I think this rather stupid subplot was meant to portray yet another exercise in futility by the beach crew (Claire, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Desmond, Charlie, 2 new people). Last week ping-pong, now this. It seems the beach crew is intent on having bonding experiences, and zen-like activities (doing for the sake of doing). It seems when a cast member is relegated back to the beach crew, they are expected to bond and accomplish nothing.
That part would have been touching, except for one minor point:
If I was writing a note for rescue, I would at least put some information on the note that would GUARANTEE that we were actually alive and it wasn’t a hoax. Example below, and I’m not even stranded……
“To whom it may concern: I am not a crackpot. This is not a hoax. We the undersigned are the survivors of flight 815. We were flying for X hours and were Y hours off course. We’re on a large, volcanic tropical island. We built a raft and tried to get off, but were repelled by individuals who we can only assume are drug smugglers. One of our members and his son (Michael (Jackson?) and Walt (Disney?)) were able to leave the island, and are presumed to have been rescued. They will probably deny that we are alive.”
Need I go on? I mean, if they were trying to write a note that would have been ignored, they couldn’t have done better unless they wrote :To whom it may concern- HELP!
He is Walt Chamberlain, because he is now 6′3″ with, as another poster humorously posted, “…a voice like Barry White”. Walt is banished forever, the mistake of pre-pubuscent boy casting. If Michael Jackson does come back, it’s without ‘Blanket’…eeeeeh heeee heeee shamonah!
BLAAAAAAAAAAANKET my beautiful BLAAAAANKET!!
What’s up, bitches? I know you’re going to hate hearing this, but my FanboyBatSignal is going off, and it appears Lost is making something of a comeback! Critical buzz across the Internet is largely positive, and though you guys are certainly struggling to find some negative aspects of this week’s episode, even the contingent here has GOT to admit it was pretty fucking decent! Booya!
Good to see Locke kicking some semblance of ass again. And Kate straddling the tree while climbing over the Others’ security system was all sorts of hot. The Claire flashback, honestly, was on the boring side, but it still had some nice points — I was personally a big fan of the revelation that Claire watched nature shows with her comatose mother. It adds to what we know about the character, and was actually kind of touching. Skeptic, I’m kind of disappointed that you didn’t seem to dig this episode as much as you seemed to half-enjoy last week’s. Again, this feels like we’re coming home to the first Lost season again, and isn’t that what you guys wanted? Unless, of course, it’s a matter of this being too little and too late.
I think too little, too late is a pretty apt description. Maybe if next weeks episode kicks all kind of ass I will manage to hold out for the rest of the season. It would seem to have the potential to do just that, but I’ve *ahem* Lost all confidence in the show’s writers.
yah, I would give this a half-grade lower than last week (C/C+?). in defense of Claire’s story, I was not expecting her to have been a goth-queen/tat-working/body-piercing hottie in her previous life. i’d actually like to see THAT part of her more (on the island and in flashbacks). I don’t buy her as hardcore, but it would be an interesting twist if they developed her that way (I always thought she was just a ‘good girl’.
I think I’d agree this epi and last week’s are a return to season 1 form, but as you said (and as Tyler said), may be too little too late to turn it around for many folks.
my mediocre reaction to this epi was based on 1) claire’s boring, and annoying, 2) most of the ‘revelations’ were expected, and 3) the non-claire elements seemed a bit like filler.
sayid et al getting to the camp took the whole epi and didn’t offer much (the only interesting development I thought was patchy almost ‘outing’ locke and his former wheelchairdom). locke nabbing some C4 (or C5, whatever it takes) was fine, but we’ve been there with locke, yah? that he can be a little deceptive?
all in all, I think it was ok. I was entertained and found some elements interesting and good, but found several to be just…’eh’.
She became a ‘good girl’ after confessing to her mother for being a rotten daughter. That was the whole point! She turned over a new leaf.
WHY she’s now a ‘good girl’ isn’t lost on me, frenchie. i was saying, I don’t necessarily buy the goth bit. she seems more barbie. but the goth thing was actually an interesting angle on claire that, if they made her more goth-like on the island, would be welcomed.
This week’s episode was a good one. Yeah Claire’s back-story was a snooze fest, but at least we are starting to move the story again. And next week it looks like its going to be awesome. One of the questions I really did want answered is how Locke went all cripple.
But should I get excited - I think not. It’s likely only going to lead to more disappointment, right?
maybe. I think for me and many of us, that they took 2 1/2 seasons to answer that question epitomizes much of why people got frustrated with the show.
the teasers look promising, but I won’t be too surprised when they interrupt Locke’s story to show the losties performing a heart-warming number from ‘beach blanket bingo’.
It was a really stupid episode. Jack has a twin sister– I mean half-sister. Patchy died and we never knew him. They climb over the sonic fence and find the other’s houses and Jack is *gasp* playing football.
What was so great about it? Really? Other than finding the “others” homes? I mean, do you really think you are about to learn something? Really? Do you?
No. Silly rabbit. It’s just going to be like before. You ask questions, they give questions and vague statements.
The shitstorm that they are going to brew up for next week, how Jack going to explain everything– that is going to be great. It’s going to be the Perfect Bullshitstorm.
Maybe, if this was Episode 8 instead of episode 1145150, this would have been interesting.
I mean, we’re not Charlie Brown trying to kick the goddamn football.
I am in total agreement with you, JT. In what has been a somewhat disappointing season 3, the last two episodes (Enter 77 & Par Avion) have been decent. Perhaps the bar has been set low, but the usually stellar posts by regualrs like Tyler & Nico were rather dull after this episode, mostly because the last two episodes didn’t suck. Some of the criticisms are getting stupid. People bitch because the story moved away from the beach, but when it does go back there everyone whines all the same. Granted I am frustrated with the lack of answers. It would be nice to see things tied up to some degree before killing off major characters ala Libby style. As long as the show avoids the blatent garbage episodes like Stranger, Flashes and Tricia Tanaka for the rest of season 3, no way in hell is it a case of “too little, too late.”
Well, sorry there Marc but simply being boring as opposed to outright sucking out loud is simply not good enough. I will (and I’m sure Tyler as well) try to come up with new ways to describe how nothing important happened again for next weeks episode.
Nico, are you a pseudonym, or an alter ego of Tyler?
Or, just a Stephen Segal fan?
A Stephen Segal fan (nice catch by the way). No, Tyler actually did email me & ask me to write the lead post a couple of weeks ago. As for my frequent posting, I just have that kind of job. Lots of very short amounts of time to kill in between what I need to get done.
That’s ok, Nico, I know you should have more material to work with as far as the Tallahasse episode is concerned. But c’mon, it isn’t everyday you get to see someone get a brain explosion from a sonic fence. But we did learn a few interesting things from both episodes. Not that TV.com is scientific evidence but check out the viewer ratings of season 3 episodes. Most people liked Enter 77 & Par Avion but as they say, to each his own.
Though you guys are at the opposite polar extreme, this blog is much more informative and entertaining that that sycophantic Fuselage! They could show a whole hour of Jin peeling a coconut and those fanboys would rave that it was the best eppy ever!
What I’d like to know about Jack is why his new pals couldn’t get him a change of clothes and a razor. The guy still looks like he’s been sleeping in the sand under some palm branches.
This ep threw out some more “Locke is an Other” tidbits. But you’re absolutely right about the timing Tyler, these producers wore us out with too many teases and broken promises, stringing us along week after week. I’m glad they’re finally picking up the pace, but they have a lot of lost yardage to make up.
Now HERE is a fan of the show who gets this place! Nice post, the Jin peeling a coconut comment was really funny too!
Yeah but you do understand, they’re only making it go fast now to set up the next Thematic Detente.
There will be some big thing revealed next week that makes everyone amazingly go back to their respective beaches, and the writers will be able to write months and months of filler again.
They can’t go 90 mph for too long, because they haven’t paved the damn road yet. They. don’t. know. where. it’s. going.
There more mediocre the episode, the more inclined viewers are to focus on trivial details. ‘Cause we got nothin else. Therefore, in no particular order…Trivial detail 1: what was up with the cop who interviewed Claire after the accident? The lack of compassion simply did not ring true. Trivial detail 2: how does Claire go from goth to pregnant barbie in a matter of months? Trivial detail 3: what is the likelyhood that Claire would not have learned the name of her father? Trivial detail 4: why has Claire’s baby not changed significantly since birth? Trivial detail 5: Why did they not indicate the date of the plane crash on the implausibly long SOS note scribbled on that tiny piece of paper that they attached to the bird? Trivial detail 6: Why was the bird sitting (nesting) on a piece of rock that was periodically showered with violent sea spray every few seconds? Even birds are not that dumb but apparently Lost viewers are assumed to be. Trivial detail 7: why is Sawyer not concerned with the whereabouts of Kate, if only on the off-chance of getting some booty on the beach?
I don’t have any excoriating criticism of last night’s episode to share other than the fact that it bored me to tears. In the interest of fairness, lately I have been trying to evaluate the episodes as stand-alone vignettes rather than contextually. I thought it would result in a more fair-minded assessment of each new episode. But even if one judges last night’s episode on its own merits as opposed to comparing it with previous ones or evaluating it in context, it STILL sucked donkey cocks. I will concede that next week’s episode promises to have more meat. It is very sad that I still care, but I don’t believe that Jack is one of the Others despite his elated look of contentment as he very badly throws that football. That would baffle all logic even by the now deplorable standards of this show.
In closing, I would urge all of you true Lost apostates posting on this site not to demean yourselves by bashing the fanboys. If a few lobotomized people still find pleasure in watching Lost and continue to enjoy and praise the show, who are we to judge these tools. It’s not their fault; they simply lack judgment, imagination, taste and critical thinking ability. Snort. Zzzzzz.
Heh, heh!! Zing!! Nice one…
“Trivial detail 3: what is the likelyhood that Claire would not have learned the name of her father”
my immediate reaction to that was that it’s an obvious ploy to set up claire and jack not being able to say “wait…YOUR father’s name is christian shephard? no way! MY father’s name is christian shephard! that’s too weird….maybe we’re related.”
it’s a tactic explain how claire and jack still don’t know they have the same father. or how difficult it’ll be to have them find out, whatever.
little do you know , your in the next epi . your jacks long lost bro !it must have some deep meaning .does hurley own the chicken shack you work in?
Even more trivial detail about the SOS note. Rather than getting all poetic about life in the limited space of a bird’s foot, how about noting some important details like: “DEAR JESUS, PLEASE HELP US! THERE ARE CRAZY SMOKE MONSTERS AND PSYCHOPATHIC KILLERS STALKING US! PLEASE HELP US BEFORE WE ALL DIE!” I don’t know, it seems like something worthwhile to mention to possible rescuers…
Ty, buddy, I don’t usually reply to your posts for fear of you banning my IP, but dude, what you just wrote makes pretty much no sense.
Here’s a little multiple choice quiz, if you will, that I just concoted for the purposes of this post.
QUESTION 1: If you were to receive a note from someone, attached to a bird, that said “HOLY SHIT WE’RE STRANDED ON AN ISLAND WITH A SMOKE MONSTER AND EVIL OTHERS” — or something similar — would you:
A) Assume that the completely insane note about smoke monsters is a hoax, and discard it.
B) MOBILIZE THE ARMED FORCES!
I would pick A. Come on, dude. You’re reaching.
I think JT left his funny bone at home today ;P
Nah, that wasn’t a pissed-off post, Nico, though I think I sometimes come off that way without realizing it. I know that the purpose of the site is to explain why Lost has started sucking, but I’ll only be rational if I think the criticisms are legitimate, you know? I just didn’t think that one was.
JT you are banned. Does that make more sense?
I’m kidding.
I actually felt sad when I read this post, up until the “I’m kidding” part. Thanks for being a good sport.
And gnarly, teeth a’ gnashin’ polar bears! Don’t forget them!
Just thought I’d keep the polar bear love alive for Johnny until he returns…
I agree with the spirit (if not with the letter) of your post that something should have been included in the note to convey the sense of urgency without necessarily undermining the credibility of the sender… words that would convey fear, anguish and desperation with sufficient urgency without sounding like a lunatic. I think something like your “PLEASE HELP US BEFORE WE ALL DIE” would have struck the right balance with a few more sober lines thrown in. But Claire’s meandering poetic treatise was nonsense.
What the fuck? Your post was great up until, again — as I’ve commented on time and time again with other people — you refer to anyone who still enjoys the frigging television show as a drooling neanderthal. Do these fanboys post using invisible text? Because I don’t see them anywhere on this site. Are you referring to me? Then gee willikers, I’m touched, and will continue promoting myself as the positive yin to the shitload of negative yang that hovers around this site. And dude, saying “don’t demean yourself by bashing the fanboys” and then BASHING THEM YOURSELF really does not look particularly good.
I do see three groups of people here:
* People who post cogent thoughts.
* People who don’t watch the show anymore but still keep posting to this site and/or to mercilessly mock people who like the show.
* People who really have nothing to add to the discussion, except for a “Nice!” or a “LOL!” or perhaps even a “ROFLMAO!”
All I’m saying is FOR FUCK’S SAKE, stop acting like you guys (some of you) are so superior to the unwashed masses because a television show isn’t your cup of tea, or because you’re dissatisfied with the product. I could just as easily toss insults out here, but I’m not going to, because what the fuck does that accomplish aside from drawing a line in the dirt between people who like the show and people who don’t?
I REALLY think you’re taking that post too seriously this time JT. It was clearly meant to be funny & too get a rise out people like you (actually, probably to get a rise out you in particular). I don’t think anybody here really treats you badly, in fact I think your comments are sometimes appreciated & always tolerated at the very least. You know I’m not going to bash somebody for having a differing opinion; but you are posting on a website called “whylostsucks”. Just keep doing what your doing, don’t take it all so seriously & keep having fun man!
Yeah, dude, you’re probably right. Plus, Turkey’s posts seem to usually be pretty respectful, so I don’t know why I shit my pants on this one. Oh well. Forgive me, guys?
See, if this were the last 5 minutes of Lost they would show you sitting at your computer in slo-mo while that “So You Had a Bad Day” song played in the backround. Heh, heh…
JT, your earnestness amuses me and “your anguish sustains me”. And I think it’s cute the way you identify my ironic statement without grasping its meaning. Sooo cute. I just want to tickle you under your chin.
Thanks, Turk! You seem quite adorable yourself!
Okay, now that we’ve all tickled one another, I do want to clarify (much as I hate to do so) that my earlier post was intended to be drole. We shouldn’t crap on the great unwashed masses because they are sufficiently filthy. Okay okay. I’m sorry. I will stop now. People are entitled to like the damn show if they want. That goes without saying. But I am entitled to my opinion and I intend to exercise that right on this blog.
And I will, in turn, admit that I totally overreacted to Rancid Turkey’s post, which I should not have, considering you guys have (for some reason) welcomed someone who still likes the show into your fold.
I think I visit this site so much because I see it almost as a barometer for the show’s vital signs. If I were to visit this site and saw nothing but glowing praise for the most recent episode, I’d probably feel a little better about the chances of the show surviving until the bitter end.
Claire goes back to being a natural blonde ‘Barbie’ after the heart-to-heart with her father. She decides to turn a new leaf by exiting her goth phase, becoming a ‘good girl’, giving up her baby to a responsible family, and apologizing to her mother. She heeds her father’s advice to not hang on to the guilt, her guilt for being an awful daughter, and being complicit in her mother’s injuries. I don’t see why it would take more than months to become pregnant and go blonde. Do you, really? Sounds like you’re grasping. Why would a baby not look like a three month old after 80 days on the island? (They rarely use newborns as actors, and almost always use a baby aged a few months- not really a surprise). The cop scene was alluding to the fact that the mother’s vegetative state was as good as dead, in the cop’s and the law’s eyes, and the liklihood that her plug would be soon pulled. But, along comes Dr. Shepherd to pay the bils and prolong the mother’s life.
All this, and I hate the Claire character.
I was not questioning the length of the gestational period required for full-term birth, but rather Claire’s implausible and unexplained mutation from goth girl to Valley girl (albeit a pregnant one). As for the baby, you are out of your depth there Frenchie. That baby is at least 5 or 6 months old and has been since birth at least in the fictional world of Lost. Okay, I can accept the impracticalities of casting newborns. However, that baby has bothered me from the beginning. Not only are his acting skills infantile, there has been zero indication of how he has been fed and cared for under those conditions and this beggars belief. Hence the problem. Finally, I was not questioning the purpose of that ridiculous interview with the police officer (although this scene was hardly necessary to set up the fact that Claire’s mom is in a vegetative state), I was questioning its tone and implausibility. Even if this cop was incapable of extending his compassion to a girl who has been in a traumatic accident and is likely riddled with guilt at having caused the accident, at the very least, some modicum of professionalism would have kicked in in the way that the officer was dealing with a traumatised accident victim. This cop was inexplicably antagonistic and rude and the whole exchange rang very false. Your post has only served to reinforce the implausibility of all these trivial details. Thank you. Perhaps there is a larger point here about the absence of anything that resembles genuine and plausible human behaviour interaction and communication in this and recent episodes. Somebody on this blog likened the behaviour of the characters to that of puppets the strings of which are pulled by highly inept puppeteers. It is impossible to suspend disbelief and get engaged in a story when you can see the strings. I think that this is an apt metaphor and I’m getting sick of these puppets.
“…although this scene was hardly necessary…”
there’s a lot of that going around. again, LOST seems to advocate MORE is MORE!
throw a bunch of crap at the audience, see what sticks and call it “something for everyone”! yipeee!
Yes, the baby’s acting is infantile, and I’m tired of seeing photos of him all over the celebrity magazines shopping, club-hopping, shaving his head, and being secreted away to rehab.
As for the cop, he’s a cop! When I was robbed, while living in the US, of my skateboard, the cop asked me why someone my age was riding a skateboard, and “what the hell” was I doing riding one at night! I think, as with many police, they want to question why the victims place themselves in such situations. I didn’t give much thought to the cop scene until after, then I realized that the mother was in fact dead, and it was probably a mere, but typical, Hollywood liberal perspective being injected into the debate of euthanasia. The cop, as the law, as society, is determining that a person in a vegetative state is in fact dead.
It’s also apparent that Claire was most probably guilty. She admitted such to her mother. The cop may have been angered with a careless young girl who had, in his mind, just killed her mother. It stressed that claire was still a selfish young woman refusing to take responsibility for her actions. Instead she wanted to be coddled. Considering this, i did not find him to be unduly rude. It was a filler scene, in the sense, “We’re at 41 minutes we need 43!”
“It’s also apparent that Claire was most probably guilty. She admitted such to her mother.”
see, again, this is a fairly thumby job of establishing claire’s character. she could have felt guilty about causing the death of her mother without being guilty of a traffic violation. why bother making that any part of the story? are we going to find out later that jacob (or whoever) only considers people ‘good’ who haven’t had a moving violation?
Yes, I agree with Laurent here. Anybody who has dealt with police will tell you they are in fact quite capable of acting like total & complete prigs (even to victims of crimes & innocent bystanders). Most cops are power hungry to begin with (why else take a job where you carry a gun?), and then combined with the over all futility of their work turn really nasty within a few years. Of course, there are exceptions to this & I myself know a couple of cops who are genuinely nice guys. For the most part though, that scene seemed pretty realistic to me.
Yes, it’s quite obviously a “ploy”. The problem is: how many people would go their whole lives without asking what their father’s name was (no matter how much Mom protested). It would have made more sense if she at least knew his first name, plus that wouldn’t have made it easy for Claire & Jack to connect the dots anyway (as I doubt Jack has told many people, if anybody his father’s first name).
Exactly. Nuff said.
not quite ’nuff…
I think tidbit was made more preposterous by the fact that claire explicitly said “I don’t want to know you’re name”.
(except…she said it in an aussie accent “aye dee-on’t wahnt tee-oo knee-ow you-ahh naaaaame”)
you know, I always thought this show had some weird ’star wars’ vibe (e.g. Hanso = Han Solo?)
so now Luke (um…Jack) and Princess Leia (er…Claire) are half-siblings.
I swear they’re totally missing golden opportunities:
paulo should play as xerxes and fight yoda. that’s worth watching!!!