A light at the end of the tunnel
Tonight was another yawner with the standard Lost fare. A mini jungle trek, someone getting sick and cured, Sayid making empty threats, and in the end, an “Other” making our intrepid beach dwellers look like total chumps. Yep, same old same old.
One interesting point I noticed. Not only do we now have the normal flashbacks, but increasingly we have flashbacks of previous episodes. They must be desperate for time fillers. So they just pop in an already aired sequence. Brilliant. I thought the plane crash was bad the first time around, it was even worse the second.
By far the best part of the episode was the preview for next week. “The beginning of the end” says the dramatic announcer dude. Only 5 episodes left in the season! Woohoo! Now that is something that made me really happy!
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How fucking gay is this show now. In the beginning of the episode where Sayid starts asking questions of Juliette, I said “Yeah, right–like she is going to give us any fucking info.” Then Sayid throws down one of his gay-ass “I might maybe think about possibly torturing you maybe kind of…” Then the bit at the end, where we find out that she’s still on of the Others–was anyone even slightly surprised? This show leaves me sooo pissed…
Yes, Sayid used to be one of my favourite characters. Now he is a useless, whiny cry-baby; basically Jack without the medical expertise. If I was one of these survivors I would’ve gone Lord of the Flies by about day 45. Stalking the jungle with a big, bloody spear & wearing Other body parts as decoration- quite frankly, that seems a quite logical reaction to the situation.
So let me get this straight? All u people on here watch “LOST”(which gives them great ratings by the way) and then U come on this site and bitch about it every week? What’s the point of watching if U don’t like the show?
“All u people on here watch “LOST”(which gives them great ratings by the way)”
I’m not sure if barely beating out (and sometimes losing to) re-runs of CSI: NY counts as “great ratings.”
For the love of god not csi new york id rather chop my head off and get mixed up in the dumb storyline than watch a friggin crime scene show!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-peace
actually it only gives them good ratings if you are a Nielson family
*sigh* I positively refuse to go through the whole spiel again… Read the FAQ’s sir, just the FAQ’s…
This is a fanboy, right?
Ya think?
>>>What’s the point of watching if U don’t like the show?
Here is a recap of the show if you have missed a couple….
Kate loves jack kate loves sawyer kate stares at sawyer kate stares at jack sawyer rejects kate kate gets sad kate looks at jack jack stares at kate kate gets sad kate looks at sawyer sawyer and kate sleep together outside in a jungle on a black and white closed-circuit tv that jack sees live on secruity monitor jack frowns jack gets mad jack sees julliete kate sees sawyer kate looks sad sawyer gets tough and kate gets sad ben’s eyes get bigger julliete stares kate pouts bens eyes get bigger jack stares at kate sawyer acts tough kate gets sad bens eyes get bigger new character has a line kate gets sad julliete smirks at jack kate pouts ben’s eyes get bigger new character has another line meaningless flashback 10 minute commercial ben’s eyes get bigger flashback kate pouts locke blows up a building jack frowns sawer acts tough ben’s eyes get bigger new character has another line julliete stares flashback ping pong ben’s eyes get bigger jack plays football kate frowns kate stares at sawyer…………
whatever. fuckin show.
Oops. I came to LostSucks before watching my episode download
Feh, this is better than that anyway.
You know it’s a bad sign when a television program has to repeat a previously used plot device. In this case, it is the Others planting one of their own into the Losties’ camp. And the resolution is coming right down Broadway, as it were. Juliet will turn on Ben and foil whatever plan (involving gas masks apparently) that he has hatched. It was palpably out of character for the Lost writers to answer a mystery so quickly (revealing that Juliet was working against the Losties) — they must be responding to some of the criticism of the increasingly frustrated fan base. At least we won’t have to wait another year before finding that one out — good job writers, now please tell us what Smokey is.
I laughed out loud at the beginning when Sayid confronted Juliet, imploring her that he wanted to know “everything, why the others have been terrorizing us, kidnapping us, etc . . .” and then finishes with “Who are you?” My goodness, if I were Sayid, who Juliet is would be one of the last things I’d want to know. But oh, they had to set up Juliet’s flashback. At least the flashback took place on the island and wasn’t another redundant rehashing of one of the original Losties’ backstories (e.g. Kate or Hurley). It did actually feel like a full episode, such as it was. The musical selection (Petula Clark’s “Downtown”) was a huge disappointment, mostly because I have been bombarded with that song lately thanks to some TV commercial that has been airing ad nauseum (for a product I don’t even remember).
And we get another “in joke” from the writers of course. Jack to Juliet: “They’re good people, but eventually they’re gonna want answers”. I guess this serves as the writers’ apology to the audience. And there is another clue (if you needed anymore) that the writers did not have it all planned out. Juliet, in response to Hurley mentioning that she wasn’t on the dock at the end of season 2, says with a straight face “It was my day off”. Not even I was wondering about that bit of discontinuity, but the writers saw fit to include an awkward explanation anyway.
I will admit that, after the Nikki/Paolo and Kate episodes, this was an improvement, but, in offering that backhanded compliment, I feel like Simon Cowell calling Sanjaya’s American Idol performance “not awful”.
“And we get another “in joke” from the writers of course. Jack to Juliet: “They’re good people, but eventually they’re gonna want answers”.
I groaned and rolled my eyes so far back in my head that I may never see straight. he may as well have looked into the camera and winked after saying that…ridiculous
- Speaking of contrived dialogue, how about the prep session between Juliet and Ben. That was loathsome.
Ben: “Let’s go over this again for the benefit of the lobotomized tools who watch this show”
Juliet: “But we’ve been over it already”
Ben: “I don’t care; I agree that it is incredibly contrived and personally humiliating for us as actors, but we must make things explicit for those poor idiots lest they get totally confused.
Juliet: [sighs] ok. “I will handcuff myself to Kate… blah blah… administer the serum in order to make them think that I saved Claire’s life… blah blah.”
- Was that really necessary?! I just wanted to take a shot gun to my TV screen!
That said, it wasn’t all bad last night…
is this site ran/ read by Jews?
eh? i’m an advent polar bearist! swine!
wtf? is this borat?
No, it’s Mel Gibson…
oooooooo - yes, the votes are in and that was bitchy…nice one nico…
Funny that someone named Aaron - the younger brother of Moses - would make an anti-semitic comment.
You should come into the 21st Century, fool. It’s better than the 12th.
well…this may be against the grain (and I won’t be around to defend myself for a few days) but…
there were a few redeeming points in this epi I thought, though even as I write about them here, they seem pretty damn trivial…
first, I have to say the episode didn’t begin well for me (dawg). I laughed out loud when jack said to sayid something like “[juliet] is under my protection”. ha! are they in a scorsese film all of a sudden? “you can’t whack a made member of the Others!”…seriously…and why should we, the audience, believe sayid’s threat to kill Juliet for any reason?!?!? he’s a pussy[cat]! why bother having him say lines like that anymore????
now for 2 small things that were…improvements…I guess…
1. jack explaining about juliet back at the beach; the group was all gathered to discuss; gay? sure. but I’ve slammed the show since the beginning for essentially ignoring that 40+ people were supposedly still on the beach! at least this made sense, that they’d gather from time to time to discuss things important to their survival. still I admit, it’s a very minor point…
2. I actually didn’t see juliet’s turn at the end coming. though, that’s probably a backhanded compliment b/c I think I figured the show had already covered that ground many times and they couldn’t POSSIBLY try to create tension by having an Other infiltrate the beach camp yet again…::sigh::…they did do it again and maybe I was caught off guard. but I didn’t see it coming. perhaps I’m an optimist after all, I was sure they wouldn’t pull something like that again…and again…and again…
3. let me add a third…when sayid and sawyer cornered juliet in the jungle, sort of a creepy/dark set up. of course, all it took was a little tug on the old conscience and they folded, way too easily. I think the set up was ok, but they didn’t follow through…eh…
I agree with all those points, Skeptic. They got me with the little twist at the end also, although I should have known better. While it is true that we were served yet more flashbacks in this episode, there was some significant movement and a few answered questions. I actually liked the whole creepy pharmaceutical firm recruiting Juliet angle and the infertility storyline is an intringuing one. You have to admit that it at least somewhat elucidates the mystery of the child kidnappings. Isn’t this pharmaceutical/infertility angle part of the answer to the mystery of the Others? More support for the dystopia theory, in any event.
I did have a problem with the suggestion that Juliet is also Ben’s victim because it is simply not consistent with her past behavior (i.e. her complicity with the Others). Juliet is extremely well trained at manipulation and, as we have seen, can handle a weapon and throw a punch. Did she acquire these skills in the lab or during her doctoral thesis? Give me a break. Are we to assume, for instance, that she has made a Faustian pact with Ben and infiltrated the camp in order to get off the island? I suspect the writers did not know themselves up to that point in the story. Ultimately, an entertaining episode with the usual now chronic plot, character and plausibility problems. BTW, did I miss the episode when Sayid and Sawyer get their balls cut off by the French chick? WTF happened to those two?! That scene where they “corner” Juliet was nonesense. They should now be intimately familiar and inured to the mental games and emotional manipulation of the Others. And Jack should know better. He is now first on my list of most despised Lost characters.
peed off! peed off! peed off!
flashbacks to aired episodes - FFS!!!! get some new material losers!
I found not much to complain about last night, which must be a good indicator of the recent upward trend of this show. OK, so Juliet is still a bad guy. Not much of a twist there, I hated that character from the get go. But my only lingering question is, why does the Bug Eyed Weasel need to infiltrate the camp one more time? What else does he need to learn? He had Jack, Kate and Sawyer in his clutches for all that time, and Jack would have rolled over and told him anything before getting onto the sub. Now Locke is sleeping with the enemy, and would likely spill his guts if asked.
The only thing that seems clear is that the Others don’t know Sun is pregnant, and given last night’s developments, that seems like something that would interest them. Again, why not just ask Jack or Locke? Why all the subterfuge?
Ho hum — so the Dharma Initiative is all about a fertility program. What about the Anomaly? What about Smokey? Sheesh, what about the bears? The writers pick the least interesting question thread and place that front and center.
i say juliet agreed to ben’s plan & saved claire. however i think when it comes down to it she will shove ben’s plan up his ass. but unfortunately i think ben already suspects that. so there’s another episode right there. & i think ben is the son of dharma folks. dharma no longer exists. so the fertility program is the ben & the other’s own thing. HOLLA!
“The only thing that seems clear is that the Others don’t know Sun is pregnant, and given last night’s developments, that seems like something that would interest them.”
That complete eluded me. Good point.
Crap, crap, crap… Not only was it pretty clear from the get-go that Juliet was still working for the Others (see my first post from last week); but to once again portray these characters as being so dumb as to give her ANY kind of trust is ridiculous. Jack: “she’s under my protection”. Sayid: “derrr, ok boss…”. I mean, COME ON MAN!!! Why on earth would any of them even ever trust Jack again? The ever present *wink* at the audience in-jokes are getting really tedious as well for sure. Also Irratating: why would Ben & Juliet have private conversations (during the flashbacks) using such vague terms? That’s not how people talk! Not to mention, after thinking MAYBE we were getting some answers about the whole reason why the Others had kidnapped Claire it turns out to be just a bullshit story that Juliet made up to weasel her way into everybody’s good graces. So, the writers essentialy spent the episode PRETENDING to answer a question & then thumbed their noses at us in the last 30 seconds of the episode.
You mean, there was NOTHING you liked about this episode? Come on, you must admit that the whole pharmaceutical and infertility angle was intriguing even if they have gutted Sayid and Sawyer’s characters. I thought the Sawyer-Kate reunion was quite touching. I shed a tear, I did.
I’m honestly telling you, there wasn’t anything redeeming about this episode at all. I can’t stand staring at Dr. Botox’s wax face, I can’t stand the submarine (ever see the Simpson’s with the faux James Bond villian that lives in the volcano? Yeah, that’s what the Others have been reduced to). Not to mention the continuing decline of once loved characters. Even if I believe that our survivors have been so changed by the island that they have left their previous lives behind; I still can’t dumb myslef down enough to accept the way they let themselves be treated by Juliet or any of the Others. As for the infertility (or death in childbirth) angle: it’s territory that has been covered by every entertainment medium since Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein (& even before that).
Sawyer has been castrated. Sayid declawed. Juliet is SO boring I can hardly keep my eyes open when she is on screen. Kate was never that interesting to being with, but now all she does is stare longingly at Jack. And Jack…ugh. Hopefully Claire will die anyway. Is there one interesting character left on this show?
i’m with you here, if the polar bears where on it picking these lameoids off then it would be picking up….they could feast off hurley for about a month…
you never know… maybe rose will show up randomly dragging a log or something across the beach. that was probably the most interesting thing she did
What do you mean, MF? That gripping scene where Juliet is falling apart as “Downtown” plays in the background was pure gold!
Oh my gosh, I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s horrible what they’ve done to all the interesting charecters…
I sort of like Desmond, but that’ll probably change in time. I’m an old-timer and this show reminds me of Twin Peaks. Such high hopes at first and then the big decline. Keep hoping it’ll get better and keep hating myself for that hope. Ah well…
I give up. Not going to try to convince anyone, nor will I say anything aside from this: it was a good episode. A really good one. Sorry you guys seem to think it wasn’t. The critiques I’m seeing today almost made me a little sad, because it’s obvious that no matter what this show does, people are going to hate it. I mean, that sucks, especially because some of the complaints I’m seeing are as stale and repetitive as some people claim the show to be.
This is not a flame. I just wish that you guys would set the vitriol aside for a second instead of leaping all over yourselves to be the first person to post some criticism of the show. I mean, Christ, stop complaining about the in-jokes. Are they seriously diminishing your enjoyment of the show that much that you have to comment on them every single time there is one?
God. I’m glad I’m not a writer for this show, because I would have killed myself trying to please everyone by now.
I understand your point JT, it’s a damned if they do- damned if they don’t situation. However, the writers have to take responsibility for their actions. They have written themselves into a corner & now have no way to get out of it.
I stand firmly behind every criticism I levelled at this weeks (& every other weeks) show. The in-jokes ARE annoying, because that kind of talk to the camera, nod & wink, breaking the 4th wall humour belongs in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off & Bugs Bunny cartoons. The characters have become one dimensional, pale shadows of their former selves. The dialogue is stilted and unrealistic to intentionally confuse the audience. They do constantly promise to answer questions only to pose more (inane & boring) questions.
I know you personally don’t see it this way, but “meh”- what are ya’ gonna’ do, right? Having you around keeps things interesting & it’s a nice counterpoint to the usual posts. I certainly will never begrudge you your opinions, nor do I think anyone else here will (except maybe Big Jim, but he’s kind of a dick…jk there Jim). I do agree that I’m getting sick of complaining about the same shit, but they keep pawning off these crappy episodes on me. Still, unless something miraculous happens in the next five episodes- I’m out. There won’t be a season four for this fella’.
Nah, I hear ya, Nico. It’s just frustrating for me — I know that I’m not going to really change anyone’s mind here, nor am I going to expect that everyone’s going to blindly say “Shit, he’s right! We’re idiots! This show rules!” (not that I think anyone here’s an idiot). It’s just that I felt last night’s ep was an important step in finally getting some of this shit answered. I also thought it was a phenomenal episode, acting-wise — I think Elizabeth Mitchell’s supremely talented, and I felt so sympathetic with her through the entire episode that I didn’t see her betrayal coming. I was also further annoyed by the fact that on another site, a bunch of people (women mostly, not to be sexist) were slamming the actress, ostensibly because she’s good-looking and has some talent. That annoyed me too, but at least there’s none of that crap here.
I’ll concede that Jack was acting like a douche this episode, but nothing’s really changed, there. He’s always been kind of a jerkoff, but that doesn’t necessarily make his character unrealistic for me, for example — there are lots of people in the real world who act just like him. Trust me. And I feel we can’t really use a traditional sense of realism with these Lost characters — I mean, they’re marooned on a tropical island. Who’s to say they’re not acting realistic? Ya know?
See, there’s where our opinions diverge again- I think Elizabeth Mitchell is an overly botoxed, wax mannequin who belongs in Madame Tousseau’s museum. How can a person whose facial expression NEVER changes be considered a good actress? Now, you want to see her one good performance- check out Gia, & see her & Angelina Jolie get down & dirty.
What I dig about this site is that you and I can respectfully disagree with each other without trying to shit all over each other’s opinions.
But yeah, Botoxed? Cmon, dude. Her facial expression certainly does change, quite often — I think what you’re referencing is her scene at the end, where she has that creepy, dead look in her eyes. That’s why I commend her acting: it was a complete 180 from the character we saw before.
Then again, perhaps I’m commending her because I’ve had to deal with Evangeline Lilly’s faux acting for the last three seasons (yes, she still sucks), so the presence of any actress who doesn’t sit around looking pensive all the time are very welcome, in my book.
That being said, I suddenly want to watch Gia.
You do, trust me… you do!
Elizabeth who? Who are you? Her agent?
Her range consists of botoxed permanent smirk to botoxed slight snicker.
She sits around and looks smug with that clown’s smile etched into her face.
She always looks creepy because her face has been stretched and stitched at the hairline.
Poor aging actress getting her first big break and all…
Thank you!
gia was great, well that scene anyway. i think her face was plastic then too but her tits lookgreat
” i think her face was plastic then too but her tits lookgreat”
Aw man, you had to take something so sublimely beautiful & make into something crass & meaningless. I told everybody (meaning the fella’s) to take a gander for obvious reasons but I could’ve lived without the summary. I think I did a fine job with the euphomisms myself without resorting to using the word “tits”. Oh shit, now I’ve gone & done it… *runs out of office screaming*
you’ll have to watch the 4thseason…if for no other reason then to join in on the bashing of it.
I don’t know if my cranial nerves can handle the silliness… maybe after a summer off? Which reminds me- we’re going to have to bug Tyler to start an alternative blog over the summer so we have something to do during our down time!
maybe a girl would be a better alternative. asians girls are nice, ne?
I don’t think my fiancee would appreciate it if I brought home an asian girl…
Oh, trust me, my friend. You will still be glued to your TV set for season 4 no matter how ludicrous the show becomes. Every week I tell myself. Okay, that’s it for me. I can’t possibly waste yet another hour of my life. But then, I watch at least some of the episode no longer in the dim hope that things will turn around but rather in the same way that you can’t turn away from a car wreck on the highway. Morbid fascination is in our nature. And it is how we pay homage to what has been lost (sorry) for ever. [Turkey exits stage with very sad expression as “Downtown” plays in the background.]
Shout out to Nico.
I watched Lost last night (only because I had already thrown back a six pack of cheap beer and I couldn’t concentrate long enough to watch the discovery channel).
I was confused for a moment as to whether or not I had the right channel on: the first Juliet flashback was strikingly similar to an old ep of x-files or a current Art Bell broadcast. So similar, that I laughed. The show that is so “deep” only “intelligent” people can watch it, borrows plot devices from an old show and a late night radio show.
(I must now invoke the “not that there’s anything wrong with that” clause from Seinfeld): Lost is Gay. It was a good show, that started to suck (hence the website), now its just Gay (for a lack of a better term).
Reasons for gayness:
1) in real life, a guy like Jack would never talk back to Sayid.
2) in real life, a bitch like Juliette would never talk back to Sayid/Sawyer
3) #1 and #2 show a high level of feminization of the two toughest characters on the show.
4) if #1 and #2 happenned in real life, someone would have gotten there ass kicked.
5) Kate is a 30-ish whore. Why didn’t they cast a babe in early 20s to play the role? Does anyone else think that the whole slut angle doesn’t work on a woman who looks 30+? Im not saying she isn’t hot, but its hard for me to feel the love triangle when all the women on the show should have already settled down. Its 30something, the must decadent and pompous show ever.
6) the encounter between Jack and Sawyer after Jack’s return was two shades away from gay porn. I felt uncomfortable in my home.
7) how does claire wake up from a life-threatening coma or whatever the fuck it was, and have perfect makeup on, and look hot?
8) the show has become a parody of itself from season 1. Its predictable and slow-paced. I think its time to update this site: www.whylostisgay.com; we are way past sucking.
9)finally, and most importantly: If I, a huge fan from seaon 1, no longer cares about any of the characters, how will the show ever attract new fans?
*uck Lost
*uck ABC
*uck JJ Abrams (he’ll kill StarTrek before he’s done with it)
heh, heh… no Jim- tell us how you REALLY feel about the show.
Re: No. 5
Kate DID settle down.
She just can’t do “Taco Night” so she left her hubby.
Taco’s? Fish biscuits? I think one of the writers is having a bit of fun with us at Ms. Austin’s expense. With apologies to the ladies & men folk of a more sensitive nature…
Thanks for the nod, Nico.
WOW, best sum up ever.
HAH!
Thank you for that inspired contribution, BigCock, but can you tone down the hate speech just a notch. It undermines some of the good points that you make and it’s just plain tiresome to read.
Lordy, Lordy… While it’s not how I talk either- I still say there is plenty of room here for people like Jim. He just calls ‘em like he sees ‘em & there is something refreshing about that no matter how much my jaw drops while reading his posts. I’m coming to you from a bastion of liberal, Democratic values: Chicago, & I’ll admit Big Jim rubbed me the wrong way at first too. However, the diversity of posters is what keeps me coming back here; so I’ve decided to respect his opinions as well.
I know that you’re a BigCock worshipper, Nico. That’s your perogative. I assume I also belong to the refreshingly diverse community of posters that you refer to? Well, I’m simply adding my voice to the fray by expressing a personal opinion. He’s a “big” boy. He can take it or leave it. And I suspect he will come out swinging (no pun intended). But I’m damn well gonna have my say in the name of all the whores, gays and saggy-breasted women over 30 who dare not protest. If he puts that kinda shit out there (and I have never suggested that he is not entitled to continue to spew his venom), it should be fair game. The dude is can be funny but often he’s just crass and he should know that we are not all adoring BigCock suckers.
Holy snap, Turkey! Them’s some harsh words!
And I essentially agree. More or less. My reasoning, though, is that I don’t particularly dig the idea of people coming to WhyLostSucks.com, reading a post filled with vitriol, and writing the entire site off as a bunch of crass asshats.
Then again, freedom of speech, right?
I’m not writing off the entire site, dude. Just reacting to a single post. It’s a matter of personal taste. As you say: free speech. That includes BigCock, you me and my cuddly little muffin Nico.
Awwww…that’s the first time I’ve ever been called cuddly or little in my life.
Of course unless you find a younger, thinner version of James Gandolfini cuddly & little I probably don’t actually fit the bill. I guess I just have a really demented sense of humour & since I have absolutely NO sensiblities of my own to offend I just kind of assume nobody else is that sensitive either. I would also remind you: I’m the only person that BigCock has attacked personally & I really just thought it was funny to tell you the truth.
Having said all that: I wouldn’t trade you in for the world either Turk & if we were ever to meet I’m sure we’d get along just fine ‘n’ dandy.
Its funny…the posts that say they are tired of my choice of words actually use worse words to describe me than those that they say bothered them. My name was changed from BigJim to something not very nice. Also, if you are tired of reading my posts you can scroll past them. Instead, you write a paragraph about how my paragraph is a waste of space, thus adding even more material to scroll through. Let’s keep it real on here. No Al Sharptons please.
See? All it takes to make me an instant BigJim fan is the line “No Al Sharptons.” Love it.
Well at least when I was pissed at you I just called you BJ for short (with the obvious implications)… I don’t know what Tyler thinks about this type of thing, but I used to deal with it as a mod on some anime boards I used to help out with. It’s very hard to make everybody comfortable any one given time when you have people from all over the world (let alone our country with its red state/blue state divisons), of all races, creeds, sexualities & genders posting in one place. Personally, I always take things with a grain of salt, but that’s who I am. I’ll give everybody the benefit of the doubt until they REALLY screw up. I respect you Jim, I also respect Turk’s decision to call you out. I really doubt anybody’s feelings are going to get hurt over this stuff regardless.
i hate it when you guys fight!(sob sob) i’m going to my room!(sob)
SLAM!!!
Damn it! Now you’ve upset the boy! *slams door & goes down street to get tanked at local pub*
the episode started out great… Sayid: “WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?!?! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ON THIS ISLAND” since that happened in the first two minutes of the episode, naturally i thought they would somehow be able to answer the question. but once again, congrats lost writers, you manage to give it to us up the ass in that special way that only you know how to do. what was the big damn deal about this episode? once again, the most stupid miniscuel details are revealed with complete ignoring to the main plotlines. somebody said that the last five episodes look good… well yah, every spoiler looks good, but don’t get your hopes up.
I read this site every week after struggling through the epi, but this week I actually had to log on while watching the show. “Come on!” (said like Gob Bluth). We once loved Lost, but now we watch and shout out comments like MST3K or Rocky Horror. My husband and I actually laughed out loud at Jack’s under my protection line. … ah… still chuckling a little.
Who did not see the Juliette thing coming? So Jack is too trusting, what a new development.
How could Juliette possibly talk her way out of being corned by Sayid and Sawyer? I am so sick of seeing the Losties wuss out. We are invested now, like reading too far into that awful novel, and thus will continue to watch it. That doesnt mean we have to like it.
And just a point for the fan boys… remember that we are or were actually lost fans and in some ways hope that maybe the writers would read comments like these and actually make some changes.
Cheers.
Could someone please explain to Sherry that I’m not a fanboy? I’m getting tired of cutting and pasting my messages in to explain to people why I post here. Christ almighty.
Also, Sherry, please keep in mind that I don’t subscribe to groupthink, meaning that I don’t have the exact same opinion as you. Guess that makes me a fanboy, huh?
I don’t think any of the regular posters here consider you a “fan-boy” at all JT. Not in the true sense of the word anyhow. Anybody new will figure it out once they take the time to read a few of your posts.
It should be clarified, as someone close to Sherry (read:husband), that she was in fact not referring to J.T. at all, rather the trolls who tend to wander in here from week to week calling people names and questioning this site’s right to exist. Because it is still early in the comments section, and you, J.T., were likely one of the only dissenting voices prior to her post, you took it personally; but if you would read it again, there is no reference to you specifically. This site would be boring if people didn’t argue for the show as well. Besides, if Nico recognizes you as a respectful poster, he should know, and we would defer to that. Cheers!
I didn’t really think she was talking about JT either. As our lone sensible voice of dissent he can get a touch over-sensitive at times…
I didn’t think she was talking about JT either.
“Besides, if Nico recognizes you as a respectful poster, he should know, and we would defer to that. Cheers!”
I wasn’t aware I held such cache’ around these parts… Thanks though!
Easy now big feller. I don’t think the little lady was pointing at you specifically…
Hehe…just covered that…she wasn’t. Sorry for any confusion there, but thanks for recognizing that. Keep posting JT, no worries here!
Thanks for the clarification, man — please forward my apologies along to Sherry.
Ha! Now, I’m laughing diabolically.
A few weeks ago a certain gobbler was crying in hysterics and threatening to abandon the site on account of some perceived slight.
This is a site dedicated to bashing a network TV show for crissakes! Have some thick skin, and put things into perspective. We’re not critiquing your thesis. There are enough whiney wusseys on Lost, don’t need more here. I feel like I’m in a Real World episode around here sometimes.
Yes, then Big Jim comes around to help us “keep it real”.
relax josephine. no need to assume that she was calling YOU a fanboy. she was probably refering to someone more like “sparlkle” who made a comment near the top of the page that said…
“So let me get this straight? All u people on here watch “LOST”(which gives them great ratings by the way) and then U come on this site and bitch about it every week? What’s the point of watching if U don’t like the show?”
not you. you’re not a fan boy. perhaps a sensitive boy. but that’s cool though. chicks dig it…or so i’ve heard.
deez
I still don’t understand. Were you guys talking about me?
Kidding! Sorry about the oversensitivity — as you guys know, I’m overly defensive on this site, perhaps because some douchebag flamed me over my thoughts on last week’s episode, or maybe because I just want to believe that Lost is really getting back on track. It seems to be. Besides that, though, you guys rock.
Lots of good points to respond to this week, too, which means I’ll be pretty much getting nothing done at work today. Awesome! See my post to Stickman for some of my counterpoints.
In response to JT:
I think there’s alot to be said for the “the writers have made their bed and now they have to lie in it” attitude behind everyone’s venom. You are correct that if they changed course 180 degrees tomorrow and started getting back to the show Lost originally was, it would still take people a LONG time to be wooed back to believing in it. But, it’s not like that is actually happening. I can’t agree that last night’s ep was a signal of a trend back toward greatness.
What I saw was more of the same (without even mentioning the trivial things like “they stared too much” or “Hurley should be losing weight”)
1. Actions by characters that are unbelievable and not in keeping with even a small bit of their previous self: Sawyer and Sayid are such bad asses that they tortured people in the past or killed a man the very day before getting on the plane but can be talked out of turning the screws on Jul with a lame guilt trip and appeal to their moral consciousness. That was one of the biggest “Oh come on!!” moments of the night for me.
2. Pretending to be on a road toward answering questions and coming up with contrived dodges at the last moment to avoid it and end up with more mystery when all is said and done: Claire is dying because of my (Jul’s) work but I can fix it…we all bite and go “ohhh, okay, this is starting to get somewhere”…and then…Psych!! Gotcha…actually we implanted a small nanotechnology robot into claire that we can activate via remote at any point we want to jerk your chains.
3. Rehashing flashbacks…no explanation needed on this one. The only reason the level of annoyance on this one has been raised to defcon 5 is because they’ve started using actual footage from previous episodes.
4. Rehashing plot mechanisms and downright stealing other plots. As others have said, we’ve seen the whole “let’s have an other infiltrate the camp” idea.
And in terms of stealing other plots, at this point, isn’t the plot speculation that they are trying instill with Jul (oh wait, she’s actually working for the others still…OR IS SHE?) just a major component of the plot arc from J.J.’s last craptastic piece of work? I never watched Alias but people I know who did were enthralled with the whole “who’s a double agent? who’s a triple agent? who’s a super duper secret double dog dare you agent?”
Sorry JT. I WANT to believe. I really truly do. I think in the continuum of the grieving process, I’ve moved on from the denial and bargaining stages and have made it to anger (as it appears most of the rest of the group here is). Maybe you’re still just in the denial stage
Not all of the flashbacks were useless. The Juliet stroll down memory lane was somewhat informative. It has been confirmed that the Others have significant resources in the real world. Thus, another submarine could and should easily be provided. We also know that the Others are infertile. I find the biblical undertones somewhat distasteful but this thematic at least explains the kidnappings. I found the episode extremely confusing however in terms of providing an explanation of what was actually done with Claire. The obvious answer, as proposed by JT(?) or someone else above, is that she was implanted with an extremely precise time-delayed virus capsule. But that doesn’t even appear to be internally consistent with the writers own Juliet fertility experiment plotline. We do know that Jin (or is it Sun?) is in danger and that Claire is a walking test-tube but the episode but again Juliet’s past behavior gives us no clear indication of whether she is whole-heartedly complicit with the Others and the writers don’t seem to know how they want the audience to feel about her.