The Isle of Super Sperm
My random thoughts on tonite’s episode.
How can they drop that bombshell of the super sperm and just leave us hanging? Oh man, the mind reels with the possibilities! All we can hope for is that this super sperm revelation somehow ties up all the major questions of the show.
Who thinks watching a chick get an ultrasound is riveting television? Are they going after the Oprah demographic now? Next up, Kate gets a pap smear.
OK, so the only character on the show that has any balls left is Jin. Sun started out showing some backbone by calling out Jack and finally asking the Dr. Other wtf is going on. But then she kind of killed it with the estrogen sob fest in the death lab. But Jin is definitely not taking shit from anyone. It was pretty sweet seeing him take off after patchy and take him out kung fu style. Twice no less. You go Jin!
This lame trick of killing people off, then bringing them back just plain sucks. Perhaps I should add it as #11 on the why lost sucks list.
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About the only positive thing I can say about the Sun flashback is that it featured Asian actors I haven’t seen since M*A*S*H (okay some of them were also in “Big Trouble in Little China”). And I don’t think I have read so many subtitles since being forced to suffer through “The Passion of the Christ”. Another fun pastime in Jin/Sun flashbacks is counting the number of Asian stereotypes — “Asian family honor” — check; “money grubbing extortionist” — check; “seedy businessman with a safe full of cash” — check.
Too bad Patchy isn’t more familiar with Asian stereotypes. Trying to outrun a Korean (known for being great distance runners) and, upon being caught, trying to outfight an Asian martial arts master were dumb mistakes on his part. Patchy needs to watch spend more time in his monitoring station watching American movies and television to bone up on the things at which Hollywood has decided Asians excel.
At the beginning, when Sun confronted Juliet, I was desperately hoping that Sun would punch Juliet’s permanently smirking Planet of the Apes face (if for no other reason than to find out whether it was possible to wipe the smirk off).
I agree that it is exceedingly frustrating that characters never seem to die. It is rumored that Nikki and Mrs. Klugh aren’t really dead and, after Patchy’s resurrection, that seems more than likely. It’s making it more and more like a soap opera.
Another confusing thing: the parachutist was carrying a book written in Portuguese, spoke to Hurley in Spanish, and uttered something to Patchy in Italian — does she speak Swahili too??? After the “shocking” ending, I reconsider my earlier post about Bierce’s “Incident at Owl Creek Bridge”. It seems this is a likely explanation for the events on the island (also see the movie “Jacob’s Ladder”).
which means the final episode will show them dying in the original plane crash…?
I didn’t think it was a shocker at all. given what we’ve seen about the resources of dharma et al, my immediate thought is someone planted a plane crash in the middle of the pacific, burned some random bodies beyond recognition (plot point stolen from ‘Fletch’), and for whatever reason convinced everyone that flight 815 crashed and burned. ridiculous? sure. confused? you won’t be…after the next episode of LOST!
I’ve been checking this site all season and never felt compelled to comment before…but I have to say kudos to the “Fletch” theory. Maybe Chevy Chase will roll out of the magic box, do an undercover story about the others, and bust this mysterious case wide open
I only watched little more than half, but from what I saw…
nothing too ridiculous happened…
nothing interesting happened…
nothing creepy Ben happened…
nothing sexy happened…
nothing ‘ping pong’ happened…
nothing funny happened…
nothing monster, or polar bear, or dharma shark happened…
nothing dead happened…
something resurrection happened…??
did I miss anything? all this makes me think I’m nearing my limit for ridiculing LOST (my time for enjoying the show is long gone). but if I don’t find the kung-fu asian man stereotype ‘too ridiculous’, or the risen from the dead russian very surprising…then my expectations for the show must run so low that apathy has truly set in. as I think about it, I didn’t care about a single character last night…in fact, the list of ‘characters that annoy me’ grows weekly. hurley made the list last night after a string of “dude, she’s dying” and “dude, do something” (he’d be less annoying if he said “dude, I’m hungry…can I eat the hobbit?”)
All I can say is that people are people so why should it be, dudes are never as sexy as babie(s).
well that explains the russian resurrection…he’s his own personal jesus…
I think they all died and they’re gonna keep getting reincarnated until they realize that everything counts and once they get the balance right, they finally get to die. Then they can finally shake the disease of having to live a new life over and over. It’s just a question of time….
to be sure, it’s a strangelove that keeps us watching a show with few answers. for a while, i just couldn’t get enough. now I just hope the show will never let me down again.
alas, someday, soon perhaps, ABC will pull the plug and we’ll enjoy the silence.
You say that like you believe it, my friend.
What a waste. All that sperm and so little hanky-panky.
FIVE flash backs to find out that Jin’s mommy is a blackmailing ‘Ho. Does that have ANYTHING to do with the plot?
And we find out that one of the few things that did happen in the last few epi’s (Locke kills eyepatch guy) didn’t happen.
Add me to the list that typed “lost sucks” in the google box…..
welcome
Tommyj6168, per your Asian stereotypes list, you forgot: kind-hearted humble fisherman living in hovel and mandatory serving the tea to guest.
Tyler, I have to call you on your contradictory post. On the one hand, you appear to acknowledge that the episode was actually pretty interesting and then on the other, you conclude that Lost sucks for bringing people back from the dead. Grudging praise indeed. Did you like the daggan episode or not, brotha? Which is it.
Come on guys! This was the best epi in a long time. I’m with you, Tommy6168 — Juliet’s botoxed smugness just burns my ass. And Jin is emerging as the undisputed stud of the island. That choke hold was lovely. Although, I actually like patchy. The whole sinister slavic communist era angle might be a tad cliché but he’s always interesting to watch. I thought his brains had exploded. Whatever.
And what about that ending! Most of the plane wreckage exploded or is on the island. There is no way that they can come up for a plausible explanation to that unless they are advancing some kind of parallel universe theory. I’m so very tired.
Okay, time for my trivial details list:
(1) a humble fisherman living a hovel would not have perfect teeth;
(2) any competent doctor and certainly a fertility specialist (no less) would not inquire about the last sexual encounter to determine the date of conception but rather the first day of the last period and then work backwards from that date; — I realize that this was a convenient plot device to introduce the topic of Sun’s infidelity… but still;
(3) Did anyone notice that when Sun started chasing after Patchy, they suddenly found themselves back near the injured chick when Patchy was caught? WTF?
(4) The injured chick’s make up looked fabulous. Nuff said.
(5) Why was Jin’s father’s desk sitting in the middle of a lobby? and finally,
(6) Can’t they do something about the Hobbit’s nose? It frightens me.
I think you’ve mixed Sun (wife) with Jin (husband).
Whatever… Don’t you have any scintillating wisdom to share about boobs today?
Heh, heh… that was nice & cranky! Did you forget to eat your Wheaties this morning?
Actually a humble fisherman living in a hovel might have some pretty decent teeth. Seafood is high in calcium (great for enamel), protein (good for the gums) & vitamin E (also good for gum health). They probably wouldn’t be that white (I don’t think my teeth are THAT white), but otherwise it IS a stereotype to think that poor Asian people all have bad teeth.
How many humble fishermen do you know with a Colgate smile? My remark had nothing to do with Asian people (not even a hint of that in my statement) but rather the bad teeth of the extremely poor. And lest you get confused again, I am not even talking about dental hygiene. There are many natural ways to keep teeth clean even among the very poor. But you fail to make a distinction between nutrition and the consequent condition of his teeth on the one hand (diet probably supports good bone density and enamel) and the actual appearence of his teeth on the other (probably never saw a dentist and there was probably no colgate or whitening strips in his hovel). Have you ever been to England? Of course, this is less true now than it was a 20 years ago when they had yet to discover orthodontics… or dentists (see Austin Powers). Are we really having a debate about teeth, dude?
I guess we are, but I certainly didn’t mean to imply any racial bias on your part. Here’s my final word on the subject: I was in the Phillipines a few years back & everybody there (at least in the villages) lived in a type of poverty almost unimaginable to you or I. Amazingly, almost every single person I ran into except the very elderly or heavy smokers had a perfect set of pearly white choppers. It was partly genetics & mostly a diet of very natural foods. That is all…
Oh Christ. Now, I almost feel compelled to talk about my extensive field research in the Amazon and my years in the Peace Corp in Angola. But I’m bigger than that. Okay, even if it is possible that Jin’s poor fisherman father has fabulous teeth, you’ve gotta agree that they would never ever show bad teeth on network tv. If entire countries (i.e. Korea) are sanitized, why not people’s teeth? They simply can’t take that kind of risk and potentially turn off their squeamish North American audience.
Well that I can agree with 100%, I mean every actor in Hollywood has capped teeth & their’s weren’t bad to begin with.
Take this into consideration though: when the medical industry uses real human skeletons they almost always come from India. One of the major reasons: they have near perfect teeth. How do you explain that in one of the poorest countries in the world? OK, I’m really playing Devil’s Advocate know Turk. I was satisfied once you said it wasn’t an “Asian thing”.
On the totally useless info front- in Guinea West Africa the people use sticks to clean their teeth.
Oh yeah and tonights was just another ho hum epi. I feel like Lost is a novel that started off great but starts to suck but you have so much time invested that you want to finish it. Doesn’t mean I have to like it.
Any Crest fans out there?
As far as the parallel universe idea goes maybe it’s a tangental universe like in Donnie Darko? If you’ve never seen Donnie Darko before, do yourself a favor & check it out TODAY! It is a fantastic, weird movie that actually puts forward some ideas that could explain some of the odd things that happen in Lost.
Yeah, I agree. Donnie Darko’s one of my all-time favorite movies (haven’t seen the director’s cut yet though).
The DC is worth seeing for sure. It goes into a much deeper explanation about the book that “Grandma Death” wrote about time travel. Oddly enough there are some pretty freaky parallels to Lost.
Donnie Darko is excellent.. and the sound track is awesome.
Yeah, the part in the movie when Mad World comes on still sends shivers down my spine & I’ve watched that movie at least a hundred times.
I always dug the opening track that played when Donnie was riding his bike home. An Echo and the Bunnymen tune, correct?
Yes, although on the DC it is replaced by a INXS doing Never Tear Us Apart. The Echo & the Bunnymen tune comes in during the party instead.
Of course jin’s the stud; his balls are workin again!
I did catch one major “reveal” that made me go EYEROLL. At one point, Dr. Botox said that Kate (Austin?) was pregnant. Is that true? And is it Sawyer’s or Jack’s!!!!!!!!! VOMIT.
BUT THEY FOUND THE RECKAGE OF 815: THEY WERE ALL DDDDDDEAD! dun dun DAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Okay, so we are supposed to believe that the others are so mundane as to need to google people to figure out what their backgrounds are, yet sophisticated enough to be able to plant plane reckage and bodies IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACIFIC OCEAN?
I really think, this is it for me. The satellite phone that didn’t work and the letting-patchy-just-walk-away were so predictably retarded that this entire island should get Darwin Awards. I love how characters protest at first “NO WE HAVE TO KEEP HIM REMEMBER THESE PEOPLE LIKE TO KIDNAP US AND BEAT US AND SHOOT US??” only, 4 seconds later, to resign all protest when someone says something cryptic like “This is the way it has to be” or “the island will decide.”
When they get around to being smart enough to, say, RECHARGE the phone in one of the many POWERED HATCHES on the island or using Sayid-ala-radio-shack to sup’ something up, it will be just in time for Patchy to tell the others who will return to hood some people and steal the phone back.
Speaking of which, given the fact of airconditioned, book-clubbed TOWNS that exist on the other side of the island, one would expect that they might migrate over there at this point. But then again, the island is showing a notorious Non-cartesian quality in that it sometimes takes 4 days, sometimes 1, to reach specific points, and the ALL OF THEM SEEMINGLY REQUIRE TO WALK THROUGH THEJUNGLE, which is amply provided, apparently, with machetes.
resign all protest when someone says something cryptic like “This is the way it has to be” or “the island will decide.”…
or “she’s under my protection now”
>>Speaking of which, given the fact of airconditioned, book-clubbed TOWNS that exist on the other side of the island, one would expect that they might migrate over there at this point. But then again, the island is showing a notorious Non-cartesian quality in that it sometimes takes 4 days, sometimes 1, to reach specific points, and the ALL OF THEM SEEMINGLY REQUIRE TO WALK THROUGH THEJUNGLE, which is amply provided, apparently, with machetes
Brilliant!
Decent episode. Far from great, and the flashbacks bored the living Christ out of me. I was spoiled for the Mikhail reveal and obviously the ending, but I gotta say I think it was pretty well-executed. The survivors clearly aren’t in purgatory — it’s either a cover-up or some kind of time-wrap thing.
As far as the Korean stereotypes go and all that, it’s not really fair for us to attack those: I think I’d probably be correct in saying that not a single member of the WhyLostSucks community has any knowledge of Korean culture, so maybe all Koreans are trained in martial arts. Who knows? I’m too lazy to research it, so if anyone else does, feel free to post about it.
Were some of those actors seriously in Big Trouble in Little China? Because that movie kicked so much ass that it isn’t even funny. So did Jacob’s Ladder. And it is kind of interesting that Tommy mentioned Owl Creek before — are you really Carlton Cuse, dude?
For all the Charlie haters out there, come on — you gotta admit that he was sort of badass in this episode. And I was quite fond of the line “We have got to stop letting these people go!”
I usually lurk but had to come out and say something about your post because I do have experience with Korean culture. My wife is Korean (not Korean-American but Korean) and I lived in Seoul for three years. I can speak Korean and can tell you that JIn’s LA korean accent really gets on my nerves.
Lost’s portrayal of the Korean community was one of the reasons I gave up on the show – the first Korean flashback show made me grind my teeth. First, Korea is a concrete covered, industrial wasteland that has little to no green. Those beautiful outdoor shots (obviously done in Hawaii) were as far from reality as one can get. On top of that, no Korean man would ever be hired as a doorman. If he was truly poor, he would have been a cab driver. College student? Maybe. Beautiful girl (in a mini skirt)? Most likely. And, he certainly wouldn’t have gotten fired for letting the poor man and his son in to use the bath room. Koreans don’t act that way. They would have pretended that they didn’t notice the poor people because they didn’t have enough money to be seen.
And Koreans, when they do learn a martial art, learn Tae Kwon Do. And, not everyone learns it.
I’m surprised that no one has thought that this resurrection stuff explains how Charlie survived being hung in the first season.
And does anyone else think the big “game changing” moment the producers promised was kind of lame? When I think of game changing, I think take everything you know and throw it in the garbage. This didn’t seem like a big deal.
I agree that many of the scenes that supposedly took place in Korea were totally off. I still think that Jin & Sun’s back story contains some of the best acting we’ve seen in the show. And yes, Yunjin Kim’s English is far better than Daniel Dae Kim’s Korean.
Totally agree with you that acting blows everyone else out of the water. Daniel Dae Kim and Yunjin Kim deserve much better material than they have been given.
Still, if the Lost producers had hired Lee Yeon-Ae to be on this show instead of Yunjin, I would still be watching every episode and I wouldn’t care how crappy it got.
I’ll second that motion!
I spent a year in Kunsan, and I’ll say you obviously didn’t travel around Korea much. There are many lush, green fields in Korea, and only in the big cities, ie Seoul, is it a “concrete covered, industrial wasteland.” They obviously can’t film in Korea (I guess they could but that would blow the budget) so they choose Korean “looking” sites. Granted, Hawaii is much more scenic, but I went to many beautiful sites in Korea in my year there.
I actually did spend quite a bit of time outside of the city and I know of the green fields you speak of. I was really refering to the cities since that is where the Lost episodes have been set and the cities are not green at all.
The countryside is also very different from what is depicted in the show. For obvious reasons, the budget constraints of the show, they couldn’t capture the mountainous, rocky, pine tree covered, dutiness of South Korea. It’s a cool country for sure, but no one is ever going to accuse it of being beautiful.
Plus the flora and fauna of Korean and Hawaii are completely different, unless you go to Jeju Island.
One more thing: it didn’t look exactly like Tae Kwon Do that Jin was using against Patchy. Looked more like the type of close quarters combat they teach in the military, which makes perfect sense.
“Next up, Kate gets a pap smear. ”
I read that line while drinking coffee, you almost made liquid come out my nose.
Great work Tyler.
Let me start by saying, it’s not an Asian stereotype that Jin would know self defense. Military service is compulsory in S. Korea, a fact made evident in the episode by Jin & Sun’s conversation about his being in the Army & the pic of Jin in uniform in the father’s house. Let me also say that the Daniel Dae Kim & Yunjin Kim continue to shine compared to the other actors on the show. Jin’s back story has always been the most compelling to me (again, a complete character arc is so rare in TV) so it wasn’t to bad to revisit it in some form. Having said that, it was most definately a revisiting & showed us nothing we didn’t really already know.
As for the rest: When Hurley accidently shot the flare, I said “oops” before he did- just pathetic writing. The return of Patchy was expected, and not completely unpleasant but- why on earth wouldn’t you hog tie him & carry him back to the beach? We saw that Jin could best him in physical combat, so why not be the ones to TAKE a prisoner for once? The parachutist chick is ridiculous, the perfect make up with just a couple of dirt smears made my fiancee & I cackle like a couple of hens- just too funny to be taken seriously at all. Plus, why didn’t Hurley just keep talking to her in Spanish? While I found the part where Sun was just happy it was Jin’s baby was kind of touching; I still think it’s ridiculous that she would have give Juliet any kind of thanks or respect. Also, the part where Juliet says “I hate you” about Ben after she stops the tape was just stupid fodder for the whole is she good or bad debate. Personally I don’t care WHY she’s siding with the Others, it still makes her a coward & a villian. Lastly: the big red herring. Either the Dharma Initiative (or one of it’s off -shoots) has more money & power than Haliburton or they are all living in some type of alternate universe. Staging a jumbo jet crash, bodies & all would be logistically impossible for about a hundred different reasons. That is all…
Has Hurley become the Gilligan of the Island?
It sure seems that way little buddy…
I have Hurley pegged as Lassie. When the trouble started, it was him that wanted to go get help.
“Staging a jumbo jet crash, bodies & all would be logistically impossible for about a hundred different reasons.”
since when has reason or rationale or logic ruled this show? I’m not saying it’s possible (or likely), but in the context of the show, they wanted us to to gasp (shock!) as that end-of-the-episode reveal…and it wasn’t that shocking to me simply b/c they’ve asked us to believe the Others/Dharma have significant resources…is it so unreasonable to think they expect us to believe they could stage a plane crash?
I know people love ‘24′, but I watched the first season up to the point where jack’s wife went amnesiac on us. that smacked of ‘daytime soap’ and I never tuned in again. there hasn’t been a significant enough snap for me yet from LOST…more like death by a thousand cuts…
I suppose it could be done, but think about how hard it would be: You’d have to fake dental records for EVERYBODY on the plane (even the ones who “really” died when the plane crashed on the island). You’d have to buy off or silence thousands of airline employees & all the victims families. I mean, Richard Nixon couldn’t even keep a small handful of people from blabbing & was the freakin’ President. How on earth would you ever get all the people necessary (again, you’re talking hundreds if not thousands of people who would have some knowledge of the cover up) to pull off something of that magnitude to keep quiet.
hey, i’m not disagreeing…but for me, this show has had little actual pop to it. that is, the ‘game changers’ don’t seem to really be that dramatic (with the exception of Ana and Libby getting shot).
so this whole “they found the plane/wreckage, there were no survivors” tip just seems like a red herring…
maybe I’m less interested in how they concoct an answer for NEW questions…just prefer they’d answer ones that have been hanging out there for some time.
Agreed 100 %
Incidentally, this is the same reason I laugh at the nut-jobs that claim the WTC was a “controlled demolition”. Suuuuurrre….
I’m with there…of course, this is TV fiction, and bad at that.
I’m a 3rd year med student who just finished up a surgery rotation… so naturally i enjoyed watching a former KGB assasin jab a big needle into someones chest to evacuate air and blood from a hemo-pneumothorax, with no regard of damage to the intercostal nerves, the heart or pleura. In a hospital setting, something like that would only be attempted by the most skilled cardiothoracic surgeon. But this is super sperm isle and that kinda stuff just makes for good tv, so i can let it go… with that said, this episode still sucked some major balls. ok so everyone thinks that the purgatory theory is out for sure right? i think what may be happening is that parachutist may actually be a “other” who just told them that their plane was found somewhere else with no survivors, just to fuck with their minds a little. if one thing has certainly been proven, its that the losties are a bunch of dumb shits. Congrats to Hurley, making him the #1 most annoying/hated character on the show now, fat ass needs to be eaten by a polar bear already. Jin, keep kicking ass… i don’t know about you guys, but i’m not gonna mess with koreans ever again. As far as juliette goes… as far as i’m concerned, shes more of an “other” now than she ever was, regardless of her post-recording love note to ben
I was tempted to add Patchy’s implausible “medical intervention” to my “trivial details” list above but that is way out of my comfort zone. Even without the medical training, most of us could tell that it was complete nonsense. BTW, if Juliet wanted to determine the date of conception wouldn’t she have asked about Sun’s last period rather than the last time she had intercourse?
yes… because obviously the more important piece of information is the last mense, not the last intercourse. and its also complete bullshit that you can judge within a day or two of when conception happened based solely on an ultrasound
Of course she’s an other, that’s why patchy came running, he summoned her.
Koreans don’t kick, they shoot. They’re like little Jin Waynes. They love their guns.
Dear COT!
Youve gotta mouth like a Merchant Seaman!
Youre snarky post, despite how much the TV show “Lost” sucks-was way above and beyond any kind of rational discourse!
You, sir, are a knave!
We need all need to come together in these days of despair-and I think your post was the most diviseve ever uttered on why lost sucksdotcom!
Now-If you could conspire to tell the producers how a thoaroacactic needle could kill all the lead actors in the show, we may have something to talk about
Your post wins for raw fluid spillage, but don’t let it go to your head!
Good Stuff
-LB
Dear lrdbronco,
Sir, it is YOU who is the knave, you ignorant piece of trash. When will you fucks realize this is a website for people who have opinions, and you’re entilted to think whatever you want about the show as long as you can back it up. Cautiously Optimistic Turkey has bought some very valid points to this discussion, unlike you. “thoaroacactic”.. what the fuck is that? Do yourself a favor and don’t try to express yourself again, you make yourself look like a jackass
We don’t even know if juliet was being honest with sun about her baby being jin’s. juliet could have lied to her easily and could also have lied to ben on the recording. or not
I thought so as well and in fact, expected her to reveal as much when she returned to the death lab but if that was the case, she would have reported this to Ben when she recorded her message. So it’s probably safe to presume that the information provided to Sun was accurate.
i’m completely inclined to agree with you and i did think she’d say otherwise to ben on the recording, but i was surprised too. i’m beginning to think ben and juliet are married. which is why she hates him or at least says it
Ok, so I read this religiously but I’ve never posted.
I am curious though… does anyone else think that it’s blatantly obvious that Desmond is an other?
Sure he’s got a back-story intriguing enough to waste at least 3 episodes but regardless he was there before the crash. And sure he claims that he was marooned on the island but as we saw in season one the others like to pretend that they were on the flight so they can snatch babies, and even Ben at one point convinced them that he suffered a misfortune via air balloon which landed him on the island.
I mean who knows maybe he wasn’t a prisoner of the hatch, I mean clearly the button was not intended for worldwide destruction.
Fishy.
Not to mention he was not at all concerned that Mr. Eyepatch was running for his life through the jungle and then he just let him walk away because he “gave him his word.”
Please!
Pretty much EVERY character on Lost has let an Other go at some point though. I just figured they were all retarded or something.
Come on, though! I’ve seen people here before say, “Hey, these are all ordinary people, how come they’re so desensitized to killing?” It’s like you’re contradicting yourselves. These are ordinary people. They are not desensitized. There’s your answer.
I’ve thought the same thing for a while, but that would be VERY disingenuous on the writers part to show us all those flashbacks with never a clue to his true allegiance. Of course I wouldn’t put it past the hack writers to try something like that, but I’m HOPING it’s not true.
I honestly don’t think the writers are clever enough
Are all the writers male virgins who have never heard of a period?
1) They have been on the island 90 days (feels like years to me)
2) The baby was conceived 8 weeks ago, more specifically 53.
3) This means they were on the island for 37 days before conception.
4) Did Jin not have a period at anytime between?
Cycles are on average 28 days. Even assuming that she had some funky long time between periods, wikipedia tells me that the egg only has one day period after ovulation to get fertilized, and this happens in the middle of the cycle. That means for it to be conceived day 38 of being on the island, she should’ve had a period after being on the island for 3 weeks. Therefore eliminating baldy as a potential DNA donor.
In order for baldy to be potential DNA donor, Jin must have the most whacked fertility plumbing in the world. Even pulling a conservative number saying that she had a period a week before crashing on the island, that still means she was 45 days into her cycle when she conceived.
Maybe on the of super-sperm, the women have super-eggs. If only women not on the island didn’t have PMS.
That’s a really good point. But whenever something like that happens, a wizard did it.
Yep, a Wizard did it!!!
yikes, super PMS…but then they die after/during pregnancy…so…maybe it’s a wash?
What say you Doc Jerome? Does the timing make any sense to you? Don’t these idiot writers have even the most basic notions of human biology and reproduction. Clearly they had no medical consult on that aspect of the plot. Sigh.
yes, wikipedia is correct, a cycle is 28 days, and fertilization can only occur on day 14 of the cycle and up to 36 hours after… with that said, this person who calls themselves “bullshit” has clearly spent way too much time thinking about cycles and periods. i support the wizard theory
That’s true about BS’s post, but by the same token my fiancee’s first thought was that it matters more when her last “lady time” was; not the last time she made whoopee.
Yeah. I raised that in my trivial details and Jerome subsequently confirmed. But the majority of women know this. And we are supposed to believe that Juliet is a fertility specialist? Snort.
A little conception info:
Normally, ovulation (the release of the egg) is supposed to happen in the middle of the cylce. However, it is possible for a woman to get pregnant at any time. Unfortunately, our cycles are not always as regular as we would like…
Speaking from personal experience, I got pregnant on the second to last day of my cycle, when I wasn’t supposed to be fertile.
This is why the “rhythum method” doesn’t always work for couples who are either trying to get pregnant, or trying to avoid it.
It’s also possible for women to have their periods for a few months, while pregnant. It’s not uncommon for women to have light bleeding during their early weeks and/or months of pregnancy, especially if it is their first pregnancy.
Ok, with all that said . . .
Agreed, Juliet would NOT need to ask Sun “when’s the last time you had sex with sexy Jin” — I think she was either being nosey, or, more likely, the writers are clueless about ob-gyn’s and the kind of questions they ask.
Also, if it had not been Jin’s baby, wouldn’t she have already gone through her morning sickness phase? Most likely. And after all that time, I’m sure she’d be showing already.
Silly Sun, don’t go down the rabbit hole with Dr. Botox! I find it really out of character that she went into the lab with her, alone, even! We know she loathes Juliet, we know she doesn’t trust her, and we know that Sun never goes anywhere alone unless she’s having a sexy jungle bath or posing by the ocean in her bikini (and that hasn’t happened since season 1.)
And yeah . . . super sperm . . . *rolls eyes* I know that this show has taken a serious jolt of machismo lately, with all the face beating (that never seems to fracture or crush facial bones and noses), gun fights, pistol whipping, hog tieing… even chick fights (with push-up bras) and the endless liters of gooey fake blood… but, “super sperm” is just going too far!
I’m surprised that there isn’t more sex on the island.
Oh yes, and I really could have done without the tender, tearful moment in the secret sonogram morgue… *barf*
I yearn to see someone kill Juliet, preferably Sayid, who has been . . . where? What really kills me about Lost, besides one stupid, painful flashback after another, is how the beach crew is really manipulated by the show’s producers. I mean, last week Sawyer actually mentioned Bernard. Hey, he and Rose haven’t been on the show for months. I think they found a Zodiac and got the hell off by themselves! But the reality seems to be that neither actor is still on Oahu. I think they’re reduced the cast to save money since the show’s tanking now and costs have to be trimmed. That’s how dumb the show is. And it’s gotten to be like Invasion by having one small tidbit of action occur in the last thirty seconds of the show. But don’t they remember that Invasion got cancelled??? I’m sick of so many storyline being ignored week after week. They ought to look at Battlestar Galactica to see how to keep multiple storylines moving forward in each episode while advancing the main story WITHOUT flashbacks!
Yes, just don’t look to BSG for acting tips- PEEEEYYYYYOOOOUUUU!! Man does the acting suck on that show, especially James “crater face” Olmos & Mary “stands with botox in face” McDonald.
I’m really upset about your comments regarding cara picada de viruelas Olmos. have you not seen the “Bushido” episode of Miami Vice? I’m being serious.
Man, that guy was cool as ice with his short sleeve dress shirts and skinny black ties. He had the look to kill. Man, I miss Castillo!
Yeah, Castillo was the shit back in the day. EJO is also excellent as Gaff in Blade Runner (”You’ve done a man’s job sir…”). Sadly, those roles were both a long time ago & he seems to have become somewhat wooden as an actor in his old age.
Them’s fightin words, Nico. What you describe as wooden acting is actually the steely determination and stoicism of Admiral Adama, the character he’s playing. If anything, I think this role has a lot more emotional range than his captain in MV. Although he was the personification of kewl on MV, on those rare occasions that he spoke, he barely unclenched his teeth. I agree that some of the acting is uneven in Galactica, but it is a far superior show than Lost mainly because it has remained consistently good.
I’m not here to dis BSG, I’m here to dis Lost. To tell you the truth I hate TV sci-fi & always have (at least as an adult, I seem to recall liking the original BSG but in my defense I was like 8 yrs old) with the exception of the original Star Trek series (& even that I only like, not love). I hated all the new Trek shows, I hated Babylon 5, I’ve hated anything that’s been on SciFi network. I’m a HUGE snob when it comes to sci-fi (among about a hundred other things).
>>, he and Rose haven’t been on the show for months. I think they found a Zodiac and got the hell off by themselves!
Great stuff!
Oh. This is news to me. Did not know the ratings were slipping. And BTW, Sayid is not killin’ nobody notime. They lopped off his balls quite a few episodes ago.
Honestly, dude, it depends on where you’re looking. There are media outlets who are clearly biased against the show — either that or they’re merely happy to sensationalize a ratings drop, no matter how big or small it is — and there are members of the media who will staunchly defend the show. Some people say that the ratings mean the show is in the toilet, while others insist that people are simply recording it and watching it the next day.
Also, ABC pulled the braindead move of making the episodes available online, for free. We don’t see many stats on how many clickthroughs those online videos get. Anyone?
That’s wierd. I had the exact same thought after last night’s show. Just like Invasion. Boring as hell, then a tidbit or two at the end. The acting in Invasion was horrid though. I mean absolutely putrid IMO.
I was really concerned when BSG, like Lost, descended into the love triangle-quandrangle crap that seems to be the core of Lost now. But man, they really pulled out of it with the finale IMO.
Ok, I’ve read down the posts, and something still doesn’t sit right. First, we know that the others know *way* too much info about the crash victims, and showed that they were getting passenger info immediately after it crashed. So, in one respect, they show that they acquired the info post crash, but if this is the case, how would they know about Sawyer killing a man the night before he left Sydney? How would they know about Locke’s dad? Or how do they know who’s bad and good? Why are the stewardess and kids living with the others?
I think they just dug a huge hole with this “no survivors” revelation and I’m thinking whatever explanation they give won’t jive with the previous storyline. The producers say they aren’t in some purgatory, but how else do you explain Locke’s walking again? Or the black lady’s cancer going away? Or the Russian even saying people heal faster there? If Penny was looking for Desmond, and this pilot had his photo, wouldn’t it stand to reason they didn’t die?
All I can say is they better answer these questions or I won’t be back next year, I won’t wait with anticipation until January if they have it in their head to go 5 seasons. 4 should be it, plain and simple, given where they’ve put the situation as of today.
Oh my god. I just remembered this lame, old sci-fi movie I watched on cable one night half drunk. I think it was called “Millenium”. The premise was, travelers from the future beamed on the airplanes and beamed all the people off to their little world, then replaced the bodies with clones and crashed the plane so no one knew they had been taken. I put 2:1 odds that they are going to try to copy some form of this idea….
The rat bastards.
They wouldn’t be that stupid, would they? After all, that movie is playing on cable every other night it seems.
Just now processing your handle… All Hail Cthulu & Hastur the Unmentionable… I’m taking a road trip to Miskatonic U next month.
wasn’t kris kristofferson and cheryl ladd in that?? can’t believe I know that…
It is both infinitely sad and supremely impressive that you know that.
In my comment on the last weeks thread (once JT had divulged the big spoiler about the plane being found) I just randomly came up with something similar & I’ve never seen that movie.
Don’t waste your time Nico. Unless of course it starts to seem that the hack writers really are going down that road, then go ahead and watch it, place some bets with friends about what is going to happen, and clean up…and oh yeah, best part, you wouldn’t have to actually continue watching the stupid show…
It’s win / win really. (Or is that win / win / win ?)
I love LOST and I guess according to you guys that is my problem, one I do not plan on fixing. I do however like to come on this site and read other people’s opinions because in some cases people actually have legitimate gripes about the show. Anyways I have a question for those of you who loath LOST, my question is: In your opinion which current television show do you consider great? That is all, thanks.
Heroes, by far has blown away lost, and has shown how to have a diverse cast of 10+ with multiple story lines that all intersect. It took the Lost concept, and just proved that you can actually divulge information weekly and still have a story. Lost could have explained anytime this whole season why the others are there, yet they continue to be coy and non descript about it. Heroes will do in 1 season what Lost has failed to do in 3 seasons. Heroes will take over Lost next year, esp when Lost doesn’t come back on until January. By then, we’ll be like who cares what happens, and maybe I’ll watch the finale.
Also, I think Eureka is one of the best sci-fi series to come along in a long time and hope it returns for a second season.
See, I can’t stand Heroes- Masa Oki’s bad acting alone is enough to make me change channels. Plus the whole “save the cheerleader, save the world” thing just made me laugh so hard (in a bad way) that I almost wet myself. Just my opinion though, I know a lot of people who enjoy it.
hell i just don’t like x-men ripoffs
That too.
absolutely
Yeah, that was a little hokie, but all in all the story lines are well thought out (unlike Lost), and even though they reveal a lot, there’s an idea what is going to happen. You don’t get that on lost.
I also watch Sopranos, my pick for best drama ever. For reality, you can’t beat Deadliest Catch or Gene Simmons Family Jewels.
I’m not knocking it, it’s just not my cup of tea. I think it’s aimed at an audience a bit younger than myself. The Sopranos used to be great, now it’s just a well acted bit of fluff. I mean, the whole “Cleaver” thing is just silly. The mob doesn’t draw attention to itself like that; at least not in this day and age.
Yeah, I dropped off in season 3 due to graduate school, then came back last year for season 6, part 1. They just don’t whack enough people this season, I think Chase is going soft. The cleaver thing isn’t that far off, the mob does do honest investment stuff on rare occassion, but the way it was done was a little hard to believe. I still think it’s the best show on TV, even though it’s dropped a notch.
For heroes, I’m 38 (mental age probably around 13) so I guess I’m the right age. I just got hooked on the pilot, and can’t wait for each episode to air. But, believe me, I can see where people would knock it, I just put myself into this “willing suspension of disbelief” and all is well. The main thing is it progresses, unlike Lost.
I always felt the “save the cheerleader, save the world” things was tounge-in-cheek. I like the show, find it amusing, but wouldn’t call it the greatest thing ever.
Besides everyone knows the greatest thing ever is Battlestar Galactica. And that show has an even hotter Korean woman on it.
Heroes is pretty good.
I like how they actually seem to plan ahead.
Like this week we finally saw the artist die and it was foreshadowed all the way in the first few episodes.
The writers of LOST could definitely take some lessons.
You’re right — but to play devil’s advocate, it was also foreshadowed in perhaps the most obvious way ever (I mean, we SAW his death in the comic book). Not knocking your post, David, as I’m a fan of the show too.
But I’ll say it again: PLEASE HEROES CREATORS KILL OFF NIKKI AND JESSICA’S CHARACTER. She blows many, many goats.
“But I’ll say it again: PLEASE HEROES CREATORS KILL OFF NIKKI AND JESSICA’S CHARACTER. She blows many, many goats.”
Yeah I have to agree with you there. Her storyline is the weakest thing about the show.
Well, I like geeky Discovery Channel & PBS stuff like Mythbusters & Frontline. I also like 30 Rock, Scrubs, The Sarah Silverman Program & a few other “sitcom” type shows. I really don’t like any hour long drama/thriller/sci-fi/mystery shows which is why Lost was such a pleasant surprise for me at first. It is also the reason why it has sucked so much that it has been steadily declining in quality.
By the way, nice post & thanks for not being a douche bag.
This show is no longer current, but my all time favorite show was Arrested Development. it had amazing writing, although it lost some steam in the third season and ultimately got cancelled. (i was kinda glad actually. sometimes shows need to be euthanized) it’s available on dvd and worth checking out. it’s a comedy and another show you have to watch in chronological order (which was a drawback)
AWSOME show!!! You should check out 30 Rock if you liked AD. I also agree that sometimes networks here need to take a cue from the BBC & keep most shows to a short run. Perfect example: the British sitcom Spaced, by the folks from Shaun of the Dead & Hot Fuzz. There’s only a handful of episodes, but they all kill.
Yeah! 30 rock’s not bad at all. The office is good too. I don’t think i ever make it a point to watch any tv show now though except lost and that’s just because of this website which is much more entertaining than the show itself. Law and order is okay if you can suspend some disbelief (which obviously we all here can suspend a whole lot). i just don’t have cable. i’m deprived.
The first 3 – 4 episodes of 30 Rock were utter garbage and I wrote it off.
I happened to catch a later one like ep. 7 and I turned around. I have since caught up the ones I missed and continue to watch.
I don’t know if they changed writers or what but, it is a show I really enjoy now.
As far as the Office I have loved it from the start. Even when others hated it for the mere fact it was a remake of a British show.
Thankfully I was spared of such bias.
YES. The Office is one of my favorite comedies around right now, and tonight’s episode had some of the best one-liners the show has ever had. And it’s patently unfair that people are rejecting the show just because it’s a remake of the UK version (which was funny, don’t get me wrong, but the comedy was entirely different than it is in the U.S. version).
The only part that sickens me about the U.S. Office is there are a ton of people who “ship” for Jim and Pam. And that’s fine, because it’s kind of a critical part of the show, but if you think Lost fanboys are bad, wait till you see the “Jammers” (Jim + Pam = Jam = JT vomiting on keyboard).
There is a show called “Swinging” on the Sundance channel. Awesome show, so so funny.
Yep, that’s a good one. I also highly recommend Attack of the Show on G4 if you want a good pop culture fix & a good eyeful of the best looking host on TV- Olivia Munn.
The best show on TV right now is HNIC.
Paul.
I have to put Southpark up as funniest and smartest show on television. Intelligent (or at least semi-intelligent) satire combined with fart jokes and ethnic slurs. That’s the trifecta of great television.
Did you catch south park 11×01? the category is “people who annoy you”. CLASSIC, I damn near had a heart attack laughing
A series classic. I laughed to the point of making myself sick during that first few minutes.
I think by far the best two shows on TV are Nip/Tuck, and Rescue Me, respectively… But unfortunately both shows are between seasons right now. Nip/Tuck was amazing from episode 1×01 and has just gotten better and better. Personally I love the humor in Rescue Me along with the drama and serious issues they pose throughout the series
“Rome”. Best show ever. History, intrigue, fiction, sex, battles, politics, war, sex, manipulation, mystery, swords, sex…
Heroes is becoming lamer by the minute. Too many diverse powers. Too comic bookish. They’re going the Lost route with more questions than answers.
What about this question of Kate being pregnant. I COMPLETELY missed that? Did anyone other than Evil catch this? And if she is pregnant [groan --this is sooo "Days of Our Lives"], as much as it pains me to ask, wouldn’t Sawyer alone be the potential father because I honestly don’t recall whether she slept with Jack. It is so very humiliating and sad that I am asking… but I’m asking.
She only slept with Sawyer, but if his sperm is as potent as Dr. Botox says it is there’s practically no way she WOULDN’T be pregnant. That explains why the Others let her sneak into Sawyers cage, it wasn’t just to get Jack on their side. They needed a test subject.
Do you realize how bizarre your last post sounded? This is what this show has been reduced to. Super sperm, cage sex and love triangles. I’m terribly sorry Laurent, but I think I just puked in my mouth a little.
Oh shit.
ladies, ladies…don’t you have a garden club to attend or someplace where you can swap coupons with the other neighborhood wives?
i kid…but you’re right about your question (and nico’s response): gay…not san francisco gay, more like “oh my God I can’t believe ross and rachel broke up!” gay.
I was just answering a question. Quite frankly, since it was for the purpose of scientific experimentation it makes the cage sex a bit more bearable (bear-able, ha! in a bear cage, get it? take my wife please…).
I’m actually surprised that they didn’t try to couple-up Sawyer and Kate from the moment they caged them. I figured they were going to stick them in together and conduct strange erotic zoological studies on the wild humans who fell from the sky as they expose the fact that Others are aliens.
Yes, the love-triangle story is total garbage. Afterall, they’ve only been there for what, 3 months? It’s not like they have years of their lives invested in each other. After spending 3 months with newly made friends and acquaintances, in my lifetime, there has never once been a soap opera worthy love triangle… But then again, I don’t live on an ABC soundstage, nor a magical not-so-deserted tropical island.
I hope Kate isn’t pregnant, because although this show has decended into a pit of laughable disgrace, I really have no interest in watching “Baby Island” where everyone is having weekly sonogram check ups, knitting booties out of homespun vines, and of course, the obligatory “face bashing with the butt of a riffle” moments.
And also, this show doesnt need ANOTHER character with a crappy daddy, so, I certainly hope Kate isn’t going to get pregnant with Sawyer’s new and improved super sperm not-so-love child.
Wheeee!!! Gee whiz, kids, that was the best eppy ever!!!!
Watching justified hatred melt away over a sonogram is what I call gripping television! And quintupled sperm counts — wow, that’s one LOST mystery we were dying to learn!
Nice to see Ol’ Patchy recover from bleeding ears and froth mouth. I was reminded of all the dead people in “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” who were “feeling much better.”
We were on the edge of seat last week waiting for the Mystery Woman to mysteriously say “Desmond” at the last second of the ep. And by golly, after killing another hour of my life that I’ll never live again, I was so glad to hear her mysteriously tell Hurley he was dead at the second last second of this ep. At this rate, she might actually utter a whole mysterious paragraph by the season finale.
So today I’m the happiest LOST fan ever!!!
“It’s only a flesh wound. I’ll bite your kneecaps off!”
Oooops!! Sorry Laurent, there I go quoting Holy Grail again!
Can someone please slap that weird smile/smirk/grimmace off of Juliet’s face?
After all of the elaborate, cruel charades that the Others have played, how can our heroes be so fuckin’ stupid? Would the Others really leave Juliet behind so she can spill the beans to our heroes? Would Jin really get up in the middle of the night and walk int othe jungle with that woman? Wouldn’t she say lets wait until morning so a couple of the fellas can come with us?
You mean Sun, but I follow you totally. I’ve been saying since the first time I came to this site: just how inept are our protagonists to keep getting screwed over by the Others? I mean, you think between a former Republican Guard, A Korean gangster who served in the army to boot, a couple of seasoned con-people and a brilliant surgeon that one of them would have some common sense right?
I bet in the next Sun flashback we’ll find out that Jin’s father was in on the extortion and that old lady wasn’t really his mother.
Why not? Apparently everybody on the show is a con-artist.
Sorry to ask this again, but is Kate pregnant? Is that what they were hinting at? The girl has fucked everyone but Hurley at this point, who is probably pretty pissed he never got a piece of Libby (who mysteriously did not benefit from the Island’s great healing powers).
They *hinted* at it, but I didn’t take that as verification she was indeed pregnant. I believe all Juliette said was that she was going to take a sample from Kate. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Yes, all she (Dr. Botox) said was “I still haven’t gotten a sample from Kate” meaning that she could be pregnant, or they just want to test her blood, urine, poop, whatever.
They could have a Lost PPV where you get to watch them remove and test Kate’s poop while Jack watches and sniffles like the little teen bitch that he is.
Yeah, but there are other women of child-bearing age on the Island– if Nikki and Paulo are any indication that random characters exist.
So why would they test Kate unless she wasn’t pregnant?
I’m telling you, they’re going to have some ridiculous Baby-Daddy bullshit Days of Our Guiding Light Mysterious Island plotline.
It’s too late the baby-daddy drama has already begun.
Okay, if anyone reads this far down, I have decided to post my top 10 list of questions I think will never be answered because the writers have either forgotten about it or screwed up the plot so much that they can’t answer any longer. Feel free to comment please or add your own to the list:
Top 10 Mysteries that the Writers will Never reveal because they have forgotten about them
10. What are all those whispering voices in the jungle?
9. How do the others walk around silently without being heard?
8. Why did the smoke creature drag Locke into the hole in the ground?
7. Why did all the writing books in the “Pearl” station just go into a tube that led to an empty field?
6. What the heck was that funky feet statue that the Lost boating trip crew saw on the shore?
5. How did the “Black Rock” ship get onto the island?
4. Why does the hatch read “quarantined” on it?
3. Why is there a dharma-encrested shark?
2. Who was the original balloon guy and how did he get on the island?
1. What the heck happened to Michael and Walt?
I can answer, uh, 7. I think. That entire deal was a psychological experiment, wasn’t it? The people in that station thought they were monitoring the Swan station, but the Swan station was really monitoring them. Or something.
You forgot…
Why are the numbers bad?
Actually, anything having to do with the hatch.
You also forgot: what the heck happened to Michael and his boyah?
Why did the others need to kidnap Walt and what was it they gained from him?
WHY THE HELL ARE THERE POLAR BEARS ON AN ISLAND IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC?
why do people heal faster on the island than other places?
basically there are so many trivial aspects to this show that you already said… the writers have drifted so far away from the plot or any sense of direction the show had, that they will never answer any of these questions, or if they do answer them, it will be something so stupid.. for example, ‘a wizzard did it’, or ‘it just is, you have to take it on faith’
6 — the gigantic foot that only has 4 toes …
Thank you!!
Please, someone over there in Lostland, remember that you wrote this into the script and come back to it!
I was just complaining about this very thing today to my husband… another LOST end that may or may not be tied up.
As far as solving all the millions of mysteries, I think they are going to take the “it’s aliens” and combine it with the “just have faith” explaination.
As someone mentioned earlier that I’m surprised more people are pissed off about: this whole killing people and suddenly bringing them back thing is way too old and way out of hand. And just saying “oh, the island can do many mysterious things” is a lame cop out.
At this point, this allows the writers to literally write ANY contrived piece of sensationalist crap to boost ratings because they can advertise that “fill in your favorite character” dies and while everyone is wondering how this all is going to fit into the greater story line, the person just reappears a couple weeks later.
I’m pretty much expecting at some point to hear:
“Oh my God, you killed Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Any level 1 character”
“You Bastards”
And sure enough, the very next week, there he is again. That might actually make the show more interesting. Rip that idea off and have a character who dies in a creative and hopefully gruesome way every week and then is brought back by the island so that we can do it all over again the next week.
When patchy re-emerged from the jungle, I was more pissed off at this stupid show than I’ve been in a long time and I honestly thought this would be a bigger point of contention today out of everyone…But hey, maybe it’s just me.
Obviously first line was supposed to be “I’m surprised more people AREN’T pissed off about…”
I’ll chip in a dollar toward the purchase of an edit button (and I’m sure Nico will match it)
You got that right man!
Not everything can be south park, sticky. but then again if everything were southpark, everything would be good, i agree.
Do we know that patchy actually died? I don’t recall them taking a pulse, just looking at him bleeding out the ears and foaming mouth and thinking he was dead. I think he was faking it. Let’s also remember it was just Kate, Locke, Sayid, and Rousseau. No Jack to officially proclaim him dead.
Let’s also remember they proclaimed Nikki and Paulo dead (though they did check for pulse), so without Jack, they could be leaving these people for dead but actually aren’t. The black lady patchy shot, I believe, is also alive, I think it was a staged fake blood shooting. And the one Juliet “killed” also still alive. I think this whole thing is a ruse, a game the others are playing with them, it’s a giant Psychological game.
I think the real Henry Gale will make a reappearance sometime.
Everyone might just get reincarnated, and the others know it, which is why they really don’t care about killing one another. Of course then they just would have let ben die. But the way characters are constantly disappearing and appearing out of nowhere on the island, it sure would be easy to pull off that idea.
True – I’ll give you that one. There was no verification of his death but to me, that’s not totally the point. There’s no doubt that everyone was supposed to conclude that he was dead (bleeding from the ears just isn’t a good thing). It’s just lame to play that game over and over and over.
I’m half expecting at some point for that science teacher guy (Arntz?) to come stumbling back to the beach going “man, do I have a headache.”
An incredulous Jack says “oh my god, how?”
Juliette says “Don’t you understand young paduan, the island used its power to gather his blown up bits from the four corners of the jungle and reassemble him”
Either that or he was actually an Other and they pulled off an elaborate hoax involving quickly switching him for a very life-like mannequin, JUST before detonating the dynamite.
It’s just too easy to kill people to make it look like something is actually happen and then bring them back whenever you want with explanations as lame as “the island did it” or “they weren’t actually dead.” Lazy and unimaginative writing.
LONG LIVE ARNTZ!!! I hope they do bring him back, then he can revive Nikki & Paulo. Then, hey Boon & Shannon aren’t dead! There they are humping on the beach, oh gross! Look, there’s Ms. Klugh- oh it was just a squib! And wait- is that our old friend the co-pilot? Hey, I thought he was on another show now- oh snap! Libby? Anna Lucia? My Lord, none of them are really dead!
man…the potential for yet another gay-ass star wars connection…boone, shannon, Eko, et al appear as ‘ghosts/spirits’ to the living losties. sort of like Obi Wan and Yoda did at the end of Rtn of the Jedi.
The only reason I was able to overlook that particular insult to my intelligence is that I actually like Patchy’s character. Something interesting always happens when he’s on screen and he had been killed off prematurely in any event (I suspect the writers subsequently realized this and tried to fix it in their usual sloppy way). The most intensely annoying factor about the last episode was Hurley. Using the fat baffoon stereotype for comic relief is getting pretty tiresome. And you can’t be too shocked at the whole resurrection twist. It was the only soap opera cliché they had not yet used. Strangers unknowingly living in proximity with a sibling: check. Rich girl marries poor boy against daddy’s wishes: check. Baby theft: check. Quasi-incestuous relationships: check. Fugitive from the law with a sad past: check. Miraculous cure for terminal cancer and/or paralysis: check. Drunk, exploitative and/or abusive father/father-in-law: check. Bad boy turned good (take your pick – Sayid or Sawyer): check. Crazed brotha eventually goes ghetto and busts a cap in somebody’s ass: check. Who’s the daddy?: check. Morally conflicted botoxed bitch from the dark side: check. And I’m sure I’m omitting many many more.
Heroes is amazing. The twists and flowing plots lines have blown Lost away in just a half a season. Im still addicted to Lost. But in the same way a junkies addicted to smack. It was great in the begining, but now its just lame fix.
Why didn’t they kill Syler? Apu knocked him unconscious and took a dead body in a taxi to Pete’s mother’s upper east side abode.
That show has humped the beluga.
Picture Fonzi in a Parka and Muoton cap, his motorcycle idling next to a whole in an Arctic Circle ice field, f%$king a beluga in its blowhole. That’s what Heroes is doing.
hole, pardon my french.
Unfortunately, they didn’t screw up the whole “when did Sun get pregnant” thing as bad as it first appears.
I just got done talking to my wife who is an Ob/Gyn and her input was that date of intercourse, though not the common way of doing things, can be used, it’s just 2 weeks later. This would also assume that you didn’t have sex since the conception. Secondly, within the first 4-6 weeks-ish of pregnancy, which Sun is in, you can determine conception within “a few days accuracy” via ultrasound.
So, maybe we can’t pick on that one for too long…although, my wife still is trying to hang in there and defend the show whenever she can (she’s kind of the JT of my house). So, she could be “spinning” things a bit.
p.s. Lost still sucks.
It doesn’t suck, it blows.
I’m surprised we didn’t watch Sun reading a three week old People Magazine in the waiting room after Juliet took her HMO card. ZZZZzzzzzzzzzz!
Any Asian guy kicking looks cool, even William Hung would look cool (especially if his kata were “She bangs!” right before landing a roundhouse). A white or black guy throwing down Asian style looks lame. Period. (Please, no tired Chuck Norris lines).
Eyegore(d) is back. His EMT skills have been of great help lately. That Russian Army is trained like the Swiss, except they actually fight.
They are attempting to rescue the Hobbitt from viewer contempt.
Sun’s dad has a haircut fit for the 5 o’clock news. He’s channeling Jimmy Johnson?
Jack is a creep.
Sayid pulled a Rousseau and has joined the French Resistance of resistance.
Peso is not a cholita, but an Ethiopian Italian (she’s black, no?) into pacifism (hence the Heller), who was a hostess on Al Italia? Too strange.
Ughhh!
Black? Hispanic? Another Brazilian like Paulo? Who cares, all I know is she’ll be dead soon & we should probably all thank our lucky stars for that. Seriously, if they haven’t already won it; the make up artists on Lost need an Emmy. I’ve never seen so many women have such perfect make up & look so perfectly symetrically dirt smeared on a show before. You think after only bathing every week or two that one of these girls would have a break out or something.
OK-I’ll step it up!
Here’s how I would fix Lost!:
Pirates, Robots, Ninjas and Zombies!
Preferably killing in this order, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and Jack!
Discuss amongst yourselves
We already had Pirates, remember, when they shot Sawyer and stole Walt? As if that had a point. Man, they are the most indirect “Others” I have ever seen. If I had M16s and knock-out gas and an Army, I would just steal Jack and the other people on whoever’s list (it’s probably the payroll list)
I am totally there for the Robots. I can just see the giant robotic claws digging into Hurley to kill him as he uselessly utters “Dude?”
And Ninjas may join the show ONLY if they run around with the severed heads of the writers and then proceed to kill off the Others and then everyone on the island with the exception of Bernard and (insert whatever her name is here) who will then spend a happy, cancer-free retirement drinking Pina Coladas out of the Hobbit’s skull.
YOU ALL EVERYBODY: this show sucks so much it is not even fun to mock anymore.
I would pay good money to see Rose & Bernard drinking tropical drinks out of Charlie’s skull. I mean GOOD money.
Lost sucks.
The dialogue on this program is terrible. I can’t even say that the writers are bad…they are horrible. I’ve come to realize that the reason that I no longer like the program may have more to do with the shitty acting and writing than the horrible plot.
Rule #1 of a tv show (or any type of story) is to make the viewer feel some sort of connection to the characters. They don’t have to necessarily like the characters, but they have to feel some sort of connection usually through an understanding of the character’s personality. Lost totally lacks this component.
I understand that they are on a island, where normal social rules are thrown out. However, the complete lack of foresight by the writers has led to a situation where none of the characters make sense. Think about it, here in SEASON THREE the best the writers can do is to drag on a love triangle between Kate, Jack, and Sawyer. Weak.
How about when Sun ran over to Juliette to talk to her and Kate runs up and tells her to leave Juliette alone? WTF? Im sitting there, watching this, and thinking to myself: What? I have never in my entire life seen a program where none of the main characters have personality traits that you can identify with. Seriously, does anyone feel any connection to any of the characters? Their actions never make sense. They can be nice to eachother in one ep, try and kidnap eachother the next, steal from eachother, then go camping. This in my opinion is the penultimate result of not planning a show out ahead of time.
And how can I, or anyone with a morsel of self-respect, care about the big cliffhanger (’they found flight 815″) when I can still remember the cliffhanger showing Libby in the mental hospital with Hurley. Libby was later killed off and we have never returned to that plot.
So, as I watched the ep I realized that it wasn’t the worst episode, yet I really don’t care at all about any of the characters. If it weren’t for this website, I would have stopped watching long ago.
Tyler are you a secret counter-intelligence agent for ABC??!!
That’s a good point Jim: if it weren’t for the anticipation of taking a gander at what everybody has to say about the current episode; I would probably be watching reruns of Man vs. Wild (or whatever Discovery channel was showing). It’s almost become like any high camp thing I enjoy. For example: Pink Flamingos is a horrible film, but I watch it every time it’s in IFC. Rocky Horror Show: it’s awful but I feel compelled to sing along to all the songs. Sometimes we have to admit to ourselves that we enjoy things that suck out loud; no shame in that at all. Still, it’s extra annoying because Lost started out good & then fell apart. Also, I totally agree about the inability to relate to the characters in any way. That’s what happens when the poor writing & pacing dictate the characters act in TOTALLY unrealistic ways. Like I’ve said a dozen times: what person in their right minds would continue to live in terror of the Others before they finally grew a set or totally lost their minds & went ape-shit Lord of the Flies jungle commando type stylie.
Couldn’t Agree More
p.s. Jack is a bitch
Libby is on Raines now, duh!
Yeah. It makes me rancid. The characters are nothing more than flimsy caricatures. Their behavior and interaction with one another seems inconsistent, random and nonsensical. And I could almost live with that because the plot occasionally shows some signs of life but the writing/dialogue is so fantastically ludicrously god-awful that it simply requires too much suspension of disbelief to be the least bit enjoyable. Putting aside the fact that no sane person would ever have ventured off to an underground death lab with Botoxia, there is no way that she would have divulged such personal information about her life to someone that she so clearly despises. And as a sidebar, what’s the implication here: perform an ultrasound on a woman and her brain will turn to mush? “I can see my baby”. Makes me want to puke. Don’t get me started. Mind you, Sayid and Sawyer’s dicks went limp in the last episode when they confronted Botoxia and she “disarmed” them by telling them that they were very very bad boys. Has primetime television become so debased that it is no longer possible to appeal to the lowest common denominator while still maintaining some modicum of intellectual rigor. Audiences are in fact relatively sophisticated (debatable, I suppose) and most of us know that people just don’t interact in this manner. They don’t talk like that. You can’t even say that Sun or Sayid or Sawyer, etc. would never do this or that. That is just the problem with this show. It is not possible to assign particular traits or patterns of behavior to particular characters because everyone has become a cardboard cut-out and mere plot device. So who else is pregnant? Rose perhaps? Is Hurley pregnant too? Has he impregnated himself with his own super-sperm?! Argggh!
Thought just popped into my head. Don’t know if it has been mentioned before:
According to Juliet, the sperm count on the island is 5x what it is normally. I can think of a LONG list of things that would happen to men if that were true. Needless to say, we haven’t seen any of those things going on. In fact, Jack appears to be quite emasculated. Also, they don’t wash their sheets or underwear that often and surely there would be a lot of sweaty/lonely nights if the 5x thing was true. Just one more example to prove that the writers are making it up as they go along!
Yes, pretty soon the old tube sock Hurley keeps under his cot is going to spring to life and go on a murdering spree.
BLECH!!! Congrats to Laurent for winning the most disgusting post ever award!! I didn’t even think of that, but a higher sperm motility would seem to indicate a higher level of testosterone as well… eh, that’s just too much to process right now.
Yep. That post is the unqualified winner for highest vomit-to-laughter ratio. Holy mother of god Lawd Jesus have mercy. The idea of Hurley… I weep.
will we see more jacking off on the show?
Yeah really you know hurley jacks off all the time (if he can reach)
Fat people can’t reach? I guess it makes sense, but I just never thought of it. I also assume they don’t get laid often, so what do they do?
I have this vague recollection of some short film where a crippled boy has to hire strippers to get him off, since he can’t do it himself. Is that what obese people do?
Perhaps there’s a market for self-pleasuring devices for obese people! What would such a device look like, and how high can you price this thing?
Patent it!
Umm, I hate to be the “Lostopedia” here, but in episode 25 they already showed us that the island is supplied with Dharma Initiative Self-pleasuring Devices for Morbidly Obese People.
Duhhh. GOD!
You people are a bunch of Negative Nellies! LOST is the Best. Show. EVUR. The writing is Shakespearean, the plots are better than the Twilight Zone, and the soundtrack is like, amazing, what with that one-note at a time and that Zzzzeeeeeeeeeeeeeee sound on the violin. I can’t wait until they stick a Wheezer or Coldplay song into the next reunion of, who? Locke and the lostaways?
Man i can’t wait to see the next episode with locke’s dad strapped in the chair. At first i thought “man locke is gonna beat the living shit out of him!” but then i realized locke’s probably just gonna get down on his knees and suck him off. i wanna take a poll here!!!!
okay who thinks locke is gonna beat his dad to a pulp?!?!?!
and who thinks locke is just gonna blow him and let him cum on his face!?!?!
oh the suspense
Nasty! This whole “super sperm” thing has turned the tone here a bit more pornographic than usual. I don’t know what Locke is going to do to Anthony Cooper. I’ve heard people question whether or not Cooper is even actually Locke’s father. Maybe the whole thing is just a con. One thing seems clear: Anthony Cooper is the guy who conned Sawyer’s mother (the “orginal” Sawyer if you will). Yet another one of those BIG reveals (i.e.: Jack & Claire being 1/2 bro & sis) that we’ve all figured out already.
Did we ever see Sun’s mom? I don’t remember. What if her dad stabbed in the cooch the same strumpet that squirted out Jin. Maybe Sun and Jin are actually half siblings too!!! Man that is gonna be one twisted baby Sun’s gonna have. Korea is pretty close to Mongolia though. Maybe a Korean mongoloid would cancel itself out and be normal hmmmm.
Are you like, 12 years old? You seem a bit obsessed with sperm & “cooch” to be an adult. Just asking…
Thank you Nico. I thought I was going to have to take out my drumstick again.
12 years old. mentally yes
I think Locke’s dad is not his dad as well. However, I feel that Cooper is going to escape, or at least con Ben into letting him go with the promise of a new sub. Locke and Sawyer will then have to hunt for him on the island. Yippeee!
I don’t know… that sounds far-fetched even by Lost standards. Matt’s cock-sucking scenario sounded more plausible. In any event, I doubt that we will see Locke until next season.
Well, I don’t know if we’ll see any resolution to the “is he an Other know?” question anyway.
That’s “now?”, not “know?” FUDGE! Tyler, an edit feature brotha, for the love of all that’s Holy… I’m getting sick of looking at all my typos.
and to imagine there used to be a time when MY comments were considered extreme!
Extreme perhaps, but never vulgar, BigJim. Never vulgar.
Exactly! Big difference between outspoken (even mildly vulgar) & just plain gross. The difference is about 30 i.q. points, heh- no offense Matt- just kidding.
waht is iq maen? pardon me while i go drool and hit myself.
It’s good to know you have a keen sense of humour & are not easily offended Matt. I like you better already…
It’s all totally cool. my goal was simply to help us get over 200 posts again. a little controversy never hurts.
Oh yeah speaking of IQ tests….i have a new theory!
Okay lost is just one big IQ test. everyone starts out at 200 points and for every episode you watch, you lose 10 points. looks like i’ve already proved it too.
or is it proven? see degrees in english are useless
Try Fine Art/English split major for a useless degree. I actually spent an extra semester to pull that off.
and you called me iq point-deprived
The real irony is that I now work in admissions for a large private University system trying to get students to part with their cash. At least when they graduate from here they’ll be well prepared to get a job (unlike yours truly).
My parents have fine art degrees and they’re doing great for themselves… and really i bet you’re way more interesting than your average accountant, so hey!
Your parents were born at a time when it was possible for people to do great notwithstanding their art-history degrees. Fucking boomers. Kill kill kill.
Ain’t that the truth. By the way, I’m not even close to an accountant. More like a very well heeled salesman.
That’s okay. I like you anyways.
English Lit/History… What I would do to get back those five years. But I redeemed myself by going to Law School afterwards.
A-ha! That explains a lot about you Turk. You’re not crazy, you’re just a lawyer.
My degree is in Math, with a secondary ed certification (I can teach HS). But, I opted for the military and work as a computer/network security specialist. The best part is it took me 7 academic years (8 total years) to get this degree. I refer to the 90’s as “my college years”.
Then, less than a year from finishing my BS, I started working on my MA, and finished 2 years later. Point is, even with so called “smart” degrees, I still watch Lost. My IQ used to be about 140, after 3 years of lost, it’s about 20.
Let’s see, I studied at the Sorbonne until I lost a superfluous pinky finger in a subway bill-feeder mishap and, in a self-pitying depression, fell to the music of Django Reinhardt, so enamored I was with his music that I formed a cover act that took me to performing away my summers in Granadan hippy bars of the trendy neo-mosaribic style and winters with Erasmus dropouts in Goa. After wasting away from dysentery and general self-neglect, I took a turn towards fitness in a foot centric fashion, naturally, which led my rise to tournament champion in the semi-annual Parkour Fest of Belo Horizante in Minas Gerais. After impregnating my masseuse and juice lady, Luciana, I adhered the honored favela tradition of fleeing and escaped to Encinitas, Cali, where Luciana’s brother Joaquim was waiting for me, (again fleeing was the respected path) with nothing but my pride and my surfboard. I made inroads through the lineup at trestle’s and ate religiously at Pipe’s and teriyaki 101 until Joaquim was deported for a tad bit over personal use, and haunted by bad vibes, I boarded a migrant taxi of a rail car to Bisbee, AZ. I opened a hair salon there, and with the lending of my Gallic name I was able to sell myself as a coiffure nonpareil. No matter as I was reduced to giving brush-cuts and close clip cuts to the large and sweating lesbian population of the lower Arizona desert. The sea was calling, and my patrons were changing tastes as Rosie O’Donnell had grown her hair out. I headed to Toronto, and was hot-bedding in a Chinatown secondhand shop until moving in to my lover’s quarters poshly situated on King and Spadina. I fooled the general populace into believing I was a Québécois with impeccable French and held court at Timmy’s Coffee where I espoused my philosophies and politics at length to the gallery of intelligentsia who comprised my coffee klatch and so impressed was a certain university professor, that he had me publish a small treatise on my ramblings which found me touring Timmy’s and Second Cup as well until, chilled to the bone and guilty of spreading a mild, yet embarrassing nonetheless, STD to my posh sugar mommy, I hightailed it to Monte Negro where my quasi-uncle Audric (mother called him that, yet we both share the same widow’s peak and penchant for public nose picking [with inspection, finger-roll and toss]) had tapped into a real estate explosion and lent me use of his minor manse’s “gutter hut” to photograph and webpost the local, but broke, beauties. The local Bulgarian ruffs, rather unhappy at our growing stable, called in backup straight away from Sofia to put an end to that and the use of Audric’s kneecaps and big toes, I had escaped while fetching salt cod and the local plonk to help choke it down, and made way to Barcelona (on a cruise ship as a kitchen and linen cleaner), and where I’m now employed as a bridal gown designer and weekend freelance sommelier at tourist restaurants on the Ramblas. Watching Lost has become a slight habit, and so has this board. Perhaps I should get IQ’d, no?
i remove polyps from people’s colon’s.
Well that’ll teach us to swap personal info. Tell ya what folks: let’s never ever engage in that particular measuring contest again. Laurent, “je tombe prosterné à tes genoux”. Your history may be partially or entirely fictitious but it was a pleasure to read. I was tipped off by your claim that King and Spadina are posh. Are you by any chance the author of “A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius”? A Ulysses for our times, except written by a surfer dude. And Laurent is probably a product of the French public education system. Chuckle. Although I hasten to add that it is no longer what it once was.
quite the gonzo style…you’re sentences are longer than james joyce! period hater!
Another eerie similarity between us, Nico — I was an English major too. But I minored in computer science, which was apparently a pretty good call on my part, seeing how this whole Internet thingy took off.
Laurent,
That was the funniest rant I’ve ever heard!
Ah, Laurent- that is one impressive history lesson my friend. You’ve certainly outdone us all; what with our pedestrian exploits. You French have such a flair for the dramatic.
JT: not surprised to hear you also studied English, as it a a perenial favorite among dorks & this place is like a dork convention.
Well, us dorks seem to have a great time picking on them dorks (the English majors writing Lost). May the best dorks win!
Okay, I don’t believe for one minute that any of you guys are a) smart or b) highly educated because it has been proven (citation: http://www.losttheories.com) that people who are actually smart “totally GET Lost”. Apparently, we are all actually high school drop-outs who had to take the test 4 times to get our GED.
Actually, I feel out of place not being an English major but my degrees are in Sports Medicine and Biomechanics and I currently teach cadaver anatomy to grad students and do research at the University of Hawaii. The part of the first episode of Lost this season after the haitus, where Juliette’s ex-husband gets offed and she’s sitting in the “morgue” was actually filmed in one of the labs where I teach and do research. It was the human cadaver lab at the UH med school. As I think about it, if watching Lost is lowering my IQ, how much worse must that decline be by the fact that I’ve actually been in proximity the filming of this garbage.
Oh no, I’m doomed!!!
No worries, nothing that a soothing day at the beach or pleasant snorkel in paradise can’t remedy. At least that’s what Thomas Magnum did to relieve his anxieties!
I think the problem is the “smart” people think there is something deeper to Lost, but frankly I don’t think the producers know or even have a deeper agenda. They used to put easter eggs in the episodes, but even those are drying up. I think Those “smart” people are going to look real stupid in the end. I think of X-Files, and how it promised a huge scheme, yet ended the series without resolving some huge questions. That’s what is going to happen to Lost. It will answer some questions but just conveniently forget about other smaller things that will bug those “smart” people for eternity. At least until they release “Lost: The movie”.
I hate to disappoint everyone with a halfway-decent post (by my standards) but…
People want answers sure. But I’m probably like a lot of other people where I want only what I can’t have and when I get it, i’m disappointed. The more answers i get, the less i actually like the show. When we learn more about the characters, they become less mysterious, less interesting because of it, and a lot of them have become just plain mundane. The back stories are quite redundant–it’s as if these characters are so one-dimentional that everything that can be told about them has been told and therefore must be repeated because there’s nothing left to these people! Remember when climbing in the hatch was suspenseful all throughout the first season? Then the people climbed in and oh!, it was just a hangout basically. And the others…they seemed like crazy pirates scheming away at some huge conspiracy, but now they’re just bored suburbanites who seem like they’re trying to keep themselves entertained more than anything–like the people who watch this show.
When we get answers, the show will essentially be over. The worst thing the writers can do is give us answers because the more we get, the more the show sucks!
We’re not going to get a lot of answers i don’t think. Lost is gonna end without answering 90% of our questions. We just have to accept that and realize that we’re on the green side already.
Wow, it is a good post Matt…
Yes, sometimes the answers to our questions are a bit underwhelming where this show is concerned. Making the Others so pedestrian was a HUGE let down for me personally. I can honestly say I would have been happier had they been pirates, ninjas, zombies or a secret enclave of Jehova’s Witnesses. I’m just going to chalk it up to shitty writing.
demensional not dementional grrrr
crap i meant dimensional not demensional, dementional or dimentional
jesus
Dude’s absolutely right. People started manifesting bitterness right after the big hatch reveal at the very beginning of season two, like Matt said — so there was really nowhere to go but down. People *wanted* answers, so the writers gave the audience what it wanted, and everybody, essentially, got really pissed off.
That forced the writers to create morecryptic and seemingly unanswerable questions, because shit, that’s why we tuned in to the show in the first place, right? Unfortunately for the creators, they have to work on a really rough deadline, because the viewers don’t like really long breaks in-between seasons.
But then people start complaining like “Holy hell, all they’re doing is dancing around the questions! They’re not answering anything! They’re stringing us along!” Et cetera. And so it goes.
As far as shitty writing goes, yeah, some of it is. But think about the timeframe these dudes are going against.
Audiences hate long breaks between seasons and mid-season, so the writers have to craft episodes, a compelling overarching plotline that takes the majority of the show’s dense mythology into account, and do all of that other writerly shit against a really short deadline (making sure viewers get their episodes in a timely fashion, lest they bitch and complain). Then parts of episodes get cut, because we have to make time for commercials and advertising space. Then writers have to incorporate the Jack/Kate/Sawyer love triangle, because like it or not, some rabidly retarded fans out there love that plotline.
That leaves very little wiggle room, it seems, for writers to appease every single fan. I know that people are really fond of claiming they can do better (I’m not targeting you here, Nico — just saying in general). I don’t think a lot of people could. It seems to be a lot tougher than it looks.
Ugh. shippers. why do we blame the writers when we’re the ones to blame?
whatever veneer of cleverness LOST had was just that…a shallow coating that gave the appearance of depth and intelligence.
the most telling thing for me (that the show is for ’smart television’ what the newspaper is for ’smart journalism’) is the inability or refusal of the writers to move the show beyond what it was. that is, we’re in season 3 yet they insist on rehashing the same revelations about the characters. how many times do we need to see ‘jack in angst’ or ‘kate running away’ or ’sawyer conflicted’?
many more examples.
Based on what I’ve read on tonight’s episode, the show is going to see some pretty major character development tonight. That’s just based on what I’ve read, though, by people who have received advance copies of tonight’s ep.
we’ll see…
and don’t take me wrong, I think the show actually holds up OK as fluff entertainment. most people never watched Charlie’s Angles for the revealing look inside the crime world…T & A baby!
point: if you don’t expect LOST to be ’smart’, you may be satisfied or at least entertained.
When it comes right down to it, television is here to entertain and kill time. Lost is entertaining; it might be infuriating, but it’s still doing what it’s supposed to do–wasting our time.
I disagree to some point. I don’t like having my intelligence insulted unless I’m expecting it (i.e.: some sitcoms I enjoy for a brainless laugh). This is why I literally don’t watch ANY hour long drama type shows except Lost (& as we’ve discussed it’s only to have something to talk about here). Shows I’ve enjoyed in the past have either become sillier & less believable (Law & Order) or repetative & meandering (The Sopranos). Or in the case of Lost: both.
See i don’t mind having my intelligence insulted, considering the medium. Tv is for everyone and most people just aren’t that bright. Anything given to us for free is usually worth what we paid for it. If we want to be challenged, then we must seek out other sources, which is why books exist. But tv…tv is for stupids, so i don’t mind if show writers assume i am.
Exactly, the characters are static, they rarely seem to grow or evolve, and they are developing them per se, but instead showing how they developed into their current state by use of flashbacks and non-linear sequencing. In effect, we were given the answers first, and the questions are just not that interesting.
Have you ever noticed how the flashbacks affect the characters in their current states? Let’s take sawyer…in one episode, it will flashback to him conning someone and being a badass, then when it flashes back to the island in current time, he’ll be a badass too. But then in another episode, it’ll flashback to him having a heart and feelings, and then in current time, he’ll be a playful mr. nice guy. Or locke…he was a strong character in the beginning–Colonel wilderness–back when his flashbacks showed him overcoming his paralysis. But then we see flashbacks of his father manipulating him and basically ruining his life, then in island current time, he’s a total bitch now. Every flashback is in the past. They should not be affecting the characters temperaments now. Their pasts of course should affect them now, but should not be parallel to their presents chronologically. Their demeanors should have smoothed out by now and not be so volatile based on which flashback the writers (arbitrarily) choose to include in the episodes. That is sloppy writing!
Sloppy writing indeed, and what’s worse is to keep repeating essentially the same flashbacks ad nauseum.
Wow matt, two very good posts in a row. Very good points. Maybe you should quit while you’re ahead (a la George Costanza) and go out on a high note
I am the architect! Whatever i can build, i can surely topple. Just wait. I use lost as my inspiration.
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Anyone else’s posts not going through? This is the fourth time I’ve tried to post this.
For anyone who’s interested (or who doesn’t want to devote an hour to Lost tonight), there’s a full spoiler of the episode here:
http://www.spoilerslost.blogspot.com
Note: I read the first couple of lines and stopped, because I realized reading the entire thing would probably kill my enjoyment of the episode. But for anyone who seriously doesn’t want to bother watching tonight, welp, there it is for you.
Also note that the person who released this spoiler (and believe me, it’s legitimate) probably didn’t include every single plot detail, and may have intentionally left stuff out. There’s no way of knowing how true that is until the episode airs tonight, obviously.
If anyone actually reads the spoilers and wants to post ‘em here, feel free, but put in some asterisks or something so I know it’s a spoiler. Thanks dudes.
None of my posts are, uh, posting. Tyler, help!
Okay, I guess they work now. Anyway. For anyone who’s interested, a full spoiler for tonight’s episode has been released at spoilerslost.blogspot.com.
I haven’t personally read it, and don’t plan to, but I know the guy who posted it is 100% legitimate. So if anyone here doesn’t feel like devoting an hour of their time tonight to Lost, welp, there you go. Enjoy. Keep in mind, however, that the guy who posts these spoilers has been known to intentionally leave out cruical plot details, and often doesn’t discuss every single action in his spoilers.
Do me a favor, though — if anyone reads the spoilers and wants to chat about it here, throw in some asterisks or hyphens or something to set off the spoilers. I’d appreciate it tons. Thanks.
OK, I read it, and nothing in there I didn’t know or suspect. And, much like the post, the show will leave us hanging, again.
Some of the stuff was rather cryptic and regardless if you read it or not, you’ll have to watch the show. Great, another hour wasted.
Can’t wait to rip on this episode.
Dudes! If you don’t like lost, don’t watch it.
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Sun tells her dad that she needs 100,000.
Dad hands her Korean Wan.
100,000 in Korean Wan equals to less than 100 USD.