“Lost” the time to watch
Sorry to be a loser again, but a little thing called life got in the way of me watching the show tonight. I will watch it online tomorrow so I can join in the discussion. Until then post away guys and gals.
-T
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Hell as much as i wanna be those two old guys from the muppets, i kinda liked tonight’s show. I have more respect for the writers even, just because they so blatantly insult their viewers and now i just find it humorous. The conversation between locke and ben while locke’s father was up against the tree was laughable as it was a pretty obvious metaphor for lost viewers. Not much happened though, but at least what did happen was significant. It just pisses me off that they all have the new iphone and i don’t.
i think i’d agree. at this point, watching the show just for entertainment (i.e. no greater significance), it isn’t all bad.
there were obviously point of ridiculousness, but locke seemed cool again, sawyer went bad-ass, jack revealed he actually isn’t trustworthy (tell her? tell her what?!?! i’m all aflutter!)…those are fairly notable developments for a show that tends to stagnate its characters into total dullards. i actually feel like they are building towards something, but i’ve been wrong before.
Juliet told Jack Ben’s plan, or of a plan to “help” Sun. This is what Juliet wanted to tell Kate. Sawyer knows, and he will tell the group of her mole role before she has a chance herself thus putting Jack in a precarious situation vis a vis Juliet and his original clan. He will have to convince them that Juliet came clean, or that she wants to help Sun.
I believe this is what they are building towards for the next episode.
I do not think Juliet is referring to Sun & the baby. The context would be all wrong. Kate was speaking of the phone and being rescued and the camp not trusting Jack. It wouldn’t make any sense for Juliet to confess to a plan to abduct Sun.
Sorry, I think you are wrong with this one.
(Mrs. Meister)
Laurent, you’re theories are so wacked and ridiculous that I am wondering if YOU are a writer for the show!
(Mr. Meister)
I think your split personalities are overwrougt.
-Merdmeister
Both my personalities think your reply is incomprehensible.
How novel! A troll trying to get a rise out of me, and so much so that it was reduced to posting two replies in one hour (mas o menos). A second post, I may add, which was reduced in typical trollish fashion to adolescentish (”wacked!”) ad hominem attacks more suited of a chubby bored tween (not a married redundant posting duo), whose parents won’t allow it to the mall to stalk and consume because it has no friends, and it has been particularly nasty since reaching those odd years when the pleasures of genitalia are rendered titilating on account of the onslaught of hormones, hormones that consequently made its face break out and has given it the overall appearance of a goalkeep for the provincial local’s dart team. This provincial hormone addled troll has no use for school, or even quick reference books that could have allowed it to made the discovery of the word o-v-e-r-w-r-o-u-g-h-t, a word it would rather dismiss, and dismiss in the context of my succinct reply. Now tweeny horney acne troll is bored, and holds contempt for its loving parents which spare it the embarrassment and ridicule of the judging runways of the local consumerist palace where its fellow tweens are gleefully gorging themselves on cin-a-buns and hideous gator shoes (all the rage), and is instead stuck at its computer updating its one-friend myspace account, tom apparently felt sorry for it, how congenial that tom, and is now stalking the boards looking to replicate conversation, the kind of which it could be having at the church of shopology over gooey stickybuns if it only had friends (friends that wouldn’t pick on it for pimples and plumpiness), through the sociopathic manner of instigating and
name calling for attention. I feel for you kid, but you bore me, off to bed now.
My adolescent part says, bite me. My college engineered part says, well, bite me too.
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz…
Did it take both of you to “engineer” that brilliance?
Mrs. Meister here. All I can say is WOW. You put a lot of time and thought into that. Perhaps you are depicting yourself, because to assume you know us is absurd. My comments to you were what this blog is all about. I gave you my opinion on what you wrote about the show. You are waaaay to sensitive. Get a grip. My husband wrote something funny. Get a sense of humor, and for that matter, GET A LIFE!
I want to sue abc for false advertisement. Every week the announcer guy tells us that we shouldnt miss the next episode of lost because all of our questions will be answered, but instead more questions arise.An example of this is that some people die and they stay dead, others come back to life without explanation.
Also in previous episodes the mayor of munchkin town AKA Ben says that no one can ever find the island but some chick in a helicopter has no trouble getting there. And whats up with the french chick? She walks in grabs dynamite and then she leaves, why is she even in the show?
Lost reminds me of a mexican comedian named “Cantinflas”, he would talk and talk but at the same time he would say nothing at all.
ABSOLUTELY. What the FUCK was Rousseau doing in that scene?
I mean, one could look at it and say, hey, the crazy bitch was getting some dynamite and maybe we were supposed to go OOOOH what is she going to do with that. OOOOOOH MYSTERY.
But what I was thinking is, why is there dynamite in a ship, which, despite appearing to be from the 18th century is, according to Professor Locke, actually a 19th Century Slave Ship. And fuck the era, why is their dynamite there at all, since DYNAMITE WASN’T INVENTED UNTIL 1866, one year after Slavery was outlawed in the US and about 60 years after the British Navy defacto eliminated slavery on the high seas.
So, either we have some crazy ass slave ship from Africa, which having dodged the British slave pickets, and somehow missed Cuba and Brazil and instead ended up IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN just in time for a passing ship to sell dynamite, only to crash land on an invisible island — that despite being invisible– they intended to MINE????
OR, we have some REALLY STUPID WRITERS, who couldn’t spell “PLOT” if they had a dictionary in front of them. Shouldn’t Rosseau have like, 2 finger by now with all the arrows and unstable dynamite she has been handling.
AND CHRIST ALMIGHTY: If you’re going to have a character in a scene AT LEAST HAVE THEM DO SOMETHING.
Heh, heh… that was an awsome post!
You are very childish and very vulgar. Can we PLEASE keep the cursing to a minimum? It really tarnishes an otherwise great site. Thanks
Quite honestly nobody under 13 should be watching a TV show with so much sex & violence. So nobody visiting this site should be under 13 either. Anybody older than that should be able to handle a little salty language. If it really bothers you, ask Tyler to put a rule up about foul language. I would be more than happy to oblige him myself. However, from what I can tell about his personality- it ain’t gonna’ happen. I don’t mean to sound like a jerk, but most of the folks who post here find the cursing funny. I know it’s immature, but it is what it is…
A little cursing IS funny, but Evil seems to think if he uses every foul word in the english language, it will embellish his post. It doesn’t. It just makes him crude
Fuck
Poop
BALLS! Dangitt, I think Evil & Matt are wearing off on me…
Fuck? Poop? Balls? Cum on guys…knock it the shit off!
Damn it.
Doody
Mr Evil you are a victim of too many assumptions, and assumptions are what this show feeds off of and exploits. Not to be so coarse, but please get a clue already.
-We do not know where the island truly is
-Again: Slaves ≠ Africa.
-19th century = 1800s
-Again: A slave ship also refers to a “slaver”, a coastal ship where the indentured/captured/imprisoned, or enslaved are forced to man the oars.
-Maybe it was an Indonesian Slave ship, an outlaw slave ship, etc…?
-Slavery still exists today!
Yes slavery still exists today in the most backward primitive parts of the world, but it died in most of the world except maybe Cuba, Brazil, parts of Africa, and anywhere the British navy went after 1820, it went away. We, the Americans, were the big outlier in the modern world, the primitive backwater that we were….
Assumptions: I suppose I am guilty of using logic and figuring they would still be in the pacific. And that Captain Hook-looking ship didn’t appear to be like, an indonesian junk or a lanteen sailed vessel, so I am guessing it was from the west. I suppose it could have been a “slaver” impressing people into manning the oars, if it wasn’t so clearly a masted, sailing ship that doesn’t use oars.
See this kind of rationalization is exactly what makes this show so absurd. I’m making logical assumptions about something that has no reason to it at all. It’s a freakin’ soap opera.
Touche. Mea Culpa.
Oared slave galleys had masts, particularly ones from the 19th century (that would be 1800s). The lanteen slavers did have oars, and sails, this point you are missing.
But does it even matter? You are missing the forest for the trees with this pedantry.
This doesn’t make it absurd. Smoke beasts and polar bears and time travel does, but then that is the point isn’t it? You are illogical in trying to use your flawed logic in a fantasy world without any. Go challenge yourself by picking apart an episode of Nova.
You just want to argue, I see.
Since you’re an expert in 19th Century (that is the 1800s) sailing technology, and you probably spend the weekends pondering on the best way to rig your slaver, so tell me what this is
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Black_Rock_(ship)
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:BlackRockShip.jpg
You are telling me this could be an indonesian ship? What other misconceptions am I making given the wealth of information I am clearly presented. I didn’t even know there was a Lostipedia until now, but apparently thousands of other people have been fooled into thinking too much as well.
I don’t think any of us are being pedantic about this show, when it clearly expects us to use reason to decipher the “conspiracy” from clues given to you, and then has complete non-sequiturs.
You tell me there are smoke beasts, polar bears and time travel, that everyone is connected and that the island heals and kills people; okay I can suspend my disbelief for absurd shit that justifies the genre, like faster-than-light travel in Star Trek or vampires in Buffy.
But there is a point where reasons steps in, especially given the number of times this show has tried to explain away past stuff with common causes, or elaborate rational explanations. Otherwise there are no rules at all and you can’t follow the show.
I’m not even looking for a “big answer” to Lost anymore, since it really has no point.
But when the show takes a dump, I’m going to say it smells.
So assume that old dynamite doesn’t blow up, the Brits still traded slaves after dynamite was created, that a 70 year old square rigged oak ship was still in use in the 1870s, and that it sailed the wrong ocean looking to mine stuff.
I will ignore all that. Forgive me for being pedantic.
But when crazy people come to grab dynamite and all you can say is “Hello Rousseau,” you are either the stupidest person in the world or the character of bad bad bad writing.
And one last thing. Pick apart Nova?? You’re putting Nova on the same scale as Lost? No wonder it’s being cancelled.
http://www.whynovasucks.com is probably available if you want to start it.
Yes, slavery was outlawed in the US, etc, but that doesn’t mean that slaves weren’t still traded. I think it’s plausible that this slave ship was there with dynamite. Now, you failed to mention the obvious problem, why the hell is it so far inland?
A wizard did it.
Or a tidal wave.
That’s more probable in the Lost world.
There are no wizards. People just put leaves on their feet.
also i noticed that Sayidd said that he had never seen a phone as sophisticated as that one. But somehow he figured out how to make it work. Last time i checked phone companies put out a new phone every week, so i doubt he would know how to make it work, unless the island they crashed into is Gilligan’s Island, if thats the case a couple of coconuts should solve all their technological problems.
What I want to ask is, DID ANYONE OF THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING THIS SHOW ACTUALLY EXPECT THE PHONE TO WORK???
I mean, HELLO. This has only been done to you like 1,000,000 times, just like Kate getting captured, or Sawyer losing a fight, or people-not-torturing-others-for-information.
The phones and radios don’t work, the submarines get blown up, the manuals get burnt, and no one is the wiser.
I was actually looking forward to this episode after reading an article in the USA Today (I know, I know, why waste my time reading that rag?) that ballyhooed the episode as a return to what made Lost great. I’m now convinced that the USA Today must be on the ABC payroll — is it owned by Disney too?
Anyway, the only major revelation I guess was Sawyer’s connection to Locke’s daddy — which has been known for months by anyone who even casually pays attention to Lost fan boards. I was disappointed when Sawyer killed “daddy” (or did he?) because the guy who plays him is one of the few decent actors on the show.
At least we didn’t have to suffer through another pointless, overdrawn off-island flashback — although Locke’s on-island flashback was almost as unendurable. I suppose there is an explanation as to why Locke had to murder his daddy to prove to the Others how damn “special” his is, but I have a feeling it will make little sense. So if I go out and choke to death some old enemy who scammed me, will that make me “special” too?
I also scratched my head at Rousseau’s cameo appearance. “Monsieur, remember moi, the crazy francais madam, non? Ooh, pardon moi for disturbing your dude fest, I will recherchez the TNT and reconvene at chez la lune, bon soir!”
I could go on, but I need to cancel my subscription to the USA Today before I go to bed.
You suscribed to USA Today. Snort. Just kidding dude. My best friend reads the Star. I feign contempt but actually look forward to accidentally stumbling upon an issue in the john or in his car. We all need our quota of trash and guilty pleasures. Gobble gobble.
Look guys, I love to make fun of Lost as much as anybody, but you guys seem to be really reaching to criticize this epi. It was very, very good especially by Season 3 standards. The interaction between Sawyer and Locke was great acting. Watching Sawyer throw Locke to the ground and choke the life of that self-righteous pig of a Dad was great. Seeing Rosseau take the dynamite is called “foreshadowing”, not a cameo. I think there was some real substance to last nights show. The flashbacks actually filled in gaps, not meaningless for once. Sayid can fix a piece of equipment even if it more sophisticated than one he’s seen, because that is his talent. Not a stretch at all. The only negative I could find is the “super secret keep it from Jack” crew is just lounging on the beach while working on said radio, thus giving Kate (Lord I can’t stand her) a chance to saunter up and catch them, then tell Loverboy.
I am no apologist, but, good grief, give Lost its props, it was a decent episode. Don’t be so bitter you can’t enjoy the show anymore.
I agree with many of your points. The episode was much better than usual; however, i just can’t give em pats on the back for good acting moments. I mean they are called actors; i would hope they can act well. But yeah seeing the old man murdered was great. I just hope he actually is dead.
the old man who got murdered was one of the best characters in the show, because as a viewer i really actually disliked him, he’s a good actor
Yeah, and it was awesome acting to see the surprise and terror in his eyes as Sawyer choked the life out of him!
Blargh! I had just written a thoughtful and incisive post rife with wit and charm… and then for some reason it just disappeared… you’ll have to take my word for it, it was great.
In brief – the only complaint I had with last night’s ep was that Ben has passed from ordinary villany into cartoonish super-villany, which is to me less interesting. But other than that, I have to admit I enjoyed it – it was a solid 42 minutes of entertainment.
In terms of story arc, thank all the gods and four-toed statues that some of the Losties have finally wised up and stopped thinking Jack is somehow King of Mystery Island. Desmond’s little smack-down of Charlie and Hurley was so refreshing.
As for the complaints about Rousseau just showing up, grabbing a case of dynamite and disappearing with no explanation – um, her character has ALWAYS done wacky shit for no obvious reason whatsoever, right since day one. I agree that in seasons 1 and 2 we had more patience for stuff like that, but I have to argue that her weirdness last night was in character – and it didn’t bug me as much as Sayid being dumb enough to work on the “secret” radio behind a foot-high shrub within hearing distance of the beach camp… but I digress. If I can love my husband even though he always forgets to take out the garbage, I can enjoy the show even if details are often annoying.
agreed…
but re: sayid, why does he even threaten people anymore?!? we’ve seen him posture then wuss out time and again, then last night he tried to be snide with the chopper pilot and she came back with “remind me not to rescue you” and sayid’s balls receded firmly back into his abdomen somewhere.
while I thought last night’s epi was ok, the writers don’t seem to be able to make any character consistently interesting…or consistent in any way (unless it’s boring and annoying).
Funny how those accidentially deleted posts suddenly assume the golden luster of genius. Reminds me of the best paper I ever wrote for my English degree. “Homoeroticism in Beowulf”. Just forgot to save during the 12 hours that I sat writing it. Computer crashed and died. Gone. I’m sure it was brilliant, Hannah.
You see? You feel my pain. It really was good. Or at least good enough to get me a staff writer job at ABC.
I enjoy the fact that Jack is losing his allure, and his grasp on control of the survivor tribe. Yet, I can see them going full circle where Jack will yet again be the exalted one.
Sayid needs to get in touch with his misogynistic mohammeden side.
“I didn’t tell you to talk blasphemous whore-dog of a women, by the grace of Alla’s most holy hand I will burn you and your tribe for your deceit and disrespect!” He then makes an effigy of the Italian pilot and burns it, meanwhile inadvertantly setting fire to Hurly in the commotion (as this is how most of these manifestations end- ironically).
Also, he should have heel stomped Kate’s head against a palm stump. How dare she make demands on Sala-a-Sayid!
Kate is now, by far, the worst character. If anyone deserves a pike through the throat it’s her.
Last night’s episode was extraordinarily frustrating. It did make me realize that I still enjoy the show despite its many shortcomings. I think the number of four-letter words that came out of my mouth as Kate told Jack about the iPhone and the rescue party really surprised my wife. I want resolution so badly, but I still want to see what happens next, but nothing really will change until the beginning of a new season, and that keeps pulling me back. Gah!
Here are my demands:
1. Over the next 3 episodes, Kate, Juliet, and Jack die– one per episode, and in that order for a good season finale. I don’t care if Vincent reappears to do the job, just get it done.
2. Next week’s episode needs to feature flashbacks from a Lostie who was on a reality show before the crash. That show…. THE MOLE. IT TIES IN SO NICELY. And also, Locke’s dad comes back to life, runs around with that hood on, hits a tree and dies again. I want some goddamn comic relief if you aren’t going to answer my questions, and I don’t want it to come from the fat clowny guy.
3. The Dharma Initiative. Remember that, writers? The coolest part of the show that carried you through a good 2nd season? You need to tell me that Rousseau is one of the last surviving members of the Dharma Initiative and she went mad. She’s got dynamite now and she is gonna bring the hostiles some pain. I want flashbacks of her at Dharma so we can possibly answer some questions before we start a new season. For that matter, Vincent. Vincent is a Dharma member, he’s 105 years old, and he’s flashin’ back to the good old days. Having feasted on Kate’s human flesh, he’s got a taste for revenge against some Hostiles! Tune in next week when all your questions will be answered! It’s a game changer! Don’t tell me that it’s out of line with the show, you guys pull crap like this all the time and explain it away with, “oh, I was lying”. “Oh, wait, it looks like I wasn’t lying I was just manipulated– wait, nope, still lying.”
On another note, my parents have just started watching the 2nd season and I feel sorry for them having seen season 3. Maybe they can watch it on DVD, skip 75% of the season and still get some enjoyment out of it.
Bitter? Me? Yes! This show has such possibility, but I hate the feeling of being strung along that I get every week. Another frustrated viewer here, who still won’t stop watching this damn show. Jerks.
OMG maybe if we all post about it, they will do it.
Kate dead first, from infected dimple. Then Jack slits his wrists. Hurley tries to eat Jack’s boday. Sawyer gets mad and fights Hurley. Hurley sits on Sawyer. Vincent eats Hurley. Dr. Botox eats Vincent and turns into Vincent and runs into woods never to be seen again.
Vincent a member of DHARMA?? HAHA thats gold!!!
Come on, you silly little beotches! You don’t have to gift-wrap every post on this site in some kind of anti-Lost rhetoric — if you (gasp!) enjoyed the episode, just say it. You don’t have to break out the “well, now that I’m viewing Lost merely as a television show instead of the answer to every existential inquiry I’ve ever posed the universe, this episode totally ruled, dude!” stuff or relentlessly look for minor deficiencies in the episode. You could do that with any television show out there, no matter how much ass you believe it kicks. Just enjoy the ride, man. That’s what television is for. I mean, what greater purpose do you think Lost has? Is Claire going to identify a workable cure for cancer that can be applied to the real world? Come on, already.
As far in consistency in characters goes:
Real people are inconsistent. I’m inconsistent. Why are we holding these fictional television show characters to higher standards than we’d hold ourselves? And it’s actually been well-established that Sayid is trying not to be so threatening to people, hence this season’s Sayid flashback. If he has a sudden burst of emotion where he starts acting like his old torturing self again, hell, I find that incredibly consistent with his character development.
Obviously (because I’m me) I loved the episode — not just as a good episode of Lost, but as a good piece of television programming. It was well-acted, well-plotted, and well-filmed. And it was written by the pair that everyone loves to hate, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.
qualifiers matter. If I still thought the show was high quality in the ‘complex’ or ‘depthful’ sense, I’d be you. But I don’t. So I’m not. If I thought McGyver was *lame* b/c nobody can actually build a working mobile phone out of gum foil and a toothpick, I’d have been frustrated weekly (I never actually watched McGyver…but you get the point).
Lost isn’t complex or deep. it is what it is. And if lowered expectations means I can enjoy an episode or two, they should count that as a victory…at least I’m watching, and that’ll help stop the show’s slide into irrelevance.
and I agree…the acting was generally better on all counts by all actors.
Dude Mcguyver was awesome! It’s okay to admit you watched it. I learned how to make dental floss out of fishing line because of him!
as for ‘greater purpose’, I never succumbed to the show having much of a purpose anyway. the ‘complexity’ i’ve alway referred to is the tangled web of a plot that they can’t quite seems to keep tight. they could’ve arrived at this point in the story arc in fewer episodes…but they stretched it.
as for consistency, comparing a tv character to a real person seems futile. if you don’t mind the characters seemingly spinning their wheels, good for you. I think it shows lack of clarity on the part of the writers.
and learn to take a compliment (as if it’s yours to take). this is *whylostsucks* and I said I generally enjoyed it…if I didn’t have any remaining reservations about the show I’d be joining the circle jerk on some other site.
Dude, chill the fuck out. I wasn’t really being that serious. What the hell is your problem? It’s well-established around these parts that I have my own opinions, that I’ll express them whenever and wherever I want, and usually they’re respected without having someone throw out some pointless vitriol. And you’re the last person I’d expect to pull that kind of shit. Besides, I was speaking in general and not responding specifically to your post.
You also know that I’ve fervently disagreed with people who consistently say “Now that I watch the show for entertainment, it’s okay.” It’s a TELEVISION SHOW. The entire purpose is to ENTERTAIN.
Please reread my first post. I have no idea where you got this line: “If I still thought the show was high quality in the ‘complex’ or ‘depthful’ sense, I’d be you” — from. I have never, ever said anything like that. I’ve said that I enjoy the show because it’s a television show that still entertains me, and because I don’t hold my television to the same standards that I’d hold a Hemingway novel.
Christ. Did someone shit in your cereal today?
A little defensive JT? It’s okay i actually thought your post was well-justified. I did like this episode way better than the last few. I can definitely appreciate you comment on inconsistent characters. I’ve complained about them being one-dimensional; now they seem to be a little more dynamic. Although i don’t find any of the characters that likeable, they at least seem more like real people.
I’m always defensive, dude. I kind of have to be, as I don’t generally expect people to shit their pants in complete and utter agreement at my posts. LostSkeptic’s posts are usually respectful and have some valid points, but I really didn’t dig his tone in this one.
I also don’t really like how it’s okay to rip an episode of this series to shreds under some kind of metaphorical microscope, but when I try to bring up some cogent points that might indicate that people are holding the show to a far greater standard than most famous literature, then people get pissed. Sorry if my opinions are diametrically opposed to, like, everyone’s, but I think they’re just as valid as any other poster’s.
Hell yeah! If we all agreed on everything, this would be one boring existence. Checks and balances is great and this wouldn’t be much of a discussion if no antithetical points were made.
wow…a bit of an over reaction, jt. I’m chill, are you?
I am now, dude, but your tone struck me as really confrontational, and I had no idea where it was coming from. Hence my heated reply. The “learn to take a compliment” line was what set me off, if you’re curious.
See, here’s a compliment to me: “That episode was good!” But no offense dude, you wrapped your compliment (which was that the episode was “ok”) in criticism that I felt was unwarranted and unfair, so I was left thinking that regardless of how good any individual episode is, you’re still going to find something wrong with it. Sorry if I misunderstood. Glad we’re cool.
again, I’d say on this site, saying it was ‘ok’ is fairly strong as far as compliments go. and I don’t remember throwing criticisms around unless you’re counting sayid’s “inconsistency”. and maybe that isn’t the right word, I wrote my thesis years ago and don’t really care to rigorously proof these posts like it’s a dissertation…
regardless, with sayid, my point was his posturing means little anymore. like a real life friend who says they’ll do something but never follow through, you eventually start to not believe them. I think sayid is that guy. we know he’s a puss and will back down, we’ve seen it for nearly 3 full seasons now, so why they continue to make him posture seems odd to me.
but back to my compliment…qualifying it matters. we’ve covered this ground i think, the show doesn’t get the benefit of my doubt anymore. so unqualified adulation isn’t likely from me. if i’d said “this was a good episode compared to the other turd sandwiches they’ve trotted out this season…” would that be better? ; )
i promise, you have no reason to take my jabs at the show personally, nor is my tone meant to be insulting. my apologies if that how it came across.
In the terms you’ve used, I can understand what you mean about Sayid now — I actually find it kind of hard to discount what you just posted, too, so there you go. I guess a little clarification goes a long way.
And as for whether you’re gonna start raving about episodes and using lots of positive adjectives to describe them, yeah, I know, it’s unlikely that you’ll ever do that. I just kind of hoped you would, I guess. Wishful thinking, maybe?
maybe a little wishful ; )
i actully enjoyed the epi and didn’t find much “wrong” with it. every show has nitpicky shit, most if it last night didn’t seem to take away from the episode.
Here’s some insight as to why I’m super-defensive of last night’s episode. Take a stroll over to televisionwithoutpity.com and hit up the Lost forums. Then click on the “Bitterness Fiesta” discussion board link and read some of that shit.
Some of you guys’ll probably find some valid complaints on that site, but you can tell that most of it is whiny groupthink from people who just like to agree with each other. I just think the hatred of the show is really reaching absurd levels at this point, and think the writers should get credit where credit’s due, yknow?
credit for what? ruining a storyline that originally had potential.
we hold the characters to higher standards than we would real people because the second a giant smoke monster kills some random guy the show stops being real and your standards cant remain unchanged.
Good. I’m glad you two have kissed and made up. Thought I was going to have to step in for a second. I agree with LMeister and JT that this was actually a pretty good episode and that people appear to be going out of their way to find fault. That said, we must remain true to the spirit of this site. I think that it is an exaggeration to say that the acting was great and I do not agree with JT that we are holding the writers to an impossibly high standard by requiring that the characters at least have recognizable “personalities” and plausible (within the context of the show) patterns of behavior. Now about this last epi: I found it thoroughly entertaining. Everyone has got to admit that the last three episodes have been palatable. There was some good bit of acting by Sawyer (that chain choke on Lockes’ dad was pretty awesome) and a number of questions were answered (like what the heck has Locke been up to for the past couple of weeks). At the end of the day, if the show manages to get you to come back for more out of genuine interest rather than out of morbid curiosity at how much crappier the writing and plot will get, I think it has more than lived up to its obligation to viewers. This IS primetime American network TV, after all. It ain’t HBO. I have no complaints really about this epi, just minor observations about a few ridiculous moments: (1) the incongruous appearence of psycho-Frenchie. WTF was the point of that? (2) when the camera pans to Locke’s dad tied to that large tree trunk in the background… that was pretty silly. (3) when Locke picks up his father’s body-puppet (apparently after having carefully wrapped it in a sheet about 3 seconds after Sawyer finished the job) and daintily starts carrying it through the jungle. He could have at least pretended that it was heavy. I’m looking forward to seeing Juliet get her come-uppance when Sawyer makes his triumphant return with the tape… And at this point, I would like to see Jack sodomized with a hot poker. Next one (is it the finale?) should be pretty good.
Gobble gobble. I’ll agree to disagree on the acting bit, ’cause that’s a matter of person taste. I think Holloway did a damn good job, but that’s just me.
On the character-consistency take, could you give me an example? That would make it easier for me to debate my point, if I indeed have one.
Crap. That hurt. I just lost a lengthy reply to your question. So here is yet another lengthy reply to your question. Okay, let’s take Sawyer, for instance. There is an example of a schizophrenic character. He is supposed to be a dark and cynical man. But his behaviour is simply not consistent with the hardened, callous con-man that is presented in the flashbacks. Would he really care about getting the support and approval of the group?: do you remember the roast pig BBQ/ping-pong episode? Good grief! Later, he is rendered helpless by Botoxia’s pathetic little speech about his past. After he gets the cookie from Kate, he’s concerned that she used him because she was upset about the Doc consorting with Botoxia. Gimme a break! After yet another night of unbridled passion, he follows Locke barefoot into the jungle and chokes a man to death with a chain to avenge the death of his parents. Of course, there is a reason why none of these characters’ behaviour from week to week makes any sense: it’s convenient. As I have said before, they are mere plot devices who bend to the needs of the story. The only departure so far is Desmond but even he is likely to disappoint ultimately. The writers don’t care about making them talk or behave like real people that we could actually relate to any more than they care about plausibility or a logical plot. Sayid is perhaps the best example of that. This man used to torture people and let’s not forget that only a few weeks ago he tortured Ben. But, all of a sudden when the situation calls for those killer instincts to kick in, he wimps out (for example, one particular situation called for taking a nail and hammer to Patchie’s testicles). I think this might have been the same epi where they featured the flashbacks about Sayid’s torture victim who’s husband captures Sayid, he inexplicably began to have moral pangs in the present. Where were those moral pangs about the past when Sayid was torturing Ben? Last week, somebody alluded to the fact that on a number of occasions, the flashbacks, which are merely intended to be instructive to the audiences, actually influence the mood and behaviour of the characters in the present (on the island). Complete and utter nonsense. By and large the flashbacks are just padding because there is clearly no interest in character development. As a result, despite all of those excruciating flashbacks, the vast majority of the characters are pretty flimsy and one-dimensional. See Kate and Claire, for example. Although the acting doesn’t help. In any event, how could there any depth and consistency to your characters if you are making things up from week to week?!
I’m sure I will take a lot of heat for this, but I think the flashbacks are important. You see, most stories build up the characters and then something happens, a conflict that all involved have to deal with. They solve the problem, we have resolution and the story is over. Lost on the other hand started with the conflict. Then, week by week, more is revealed about the characters and we learn more about them. I think the multi-levels is brilliant. Agreed, it is a lot to keep up, …but I still think overall, it is a masterpiece of writing.
Sayid for instance, was a Communications officer in the Iraqi Republican Guard and we learn from the flashback that he reluctantly learns the ’skill’ of torture. He doesn’t like it. He shoots himself to help Nadia escape, …very noble. He tries to stop his old college roommate from being a suicide bomber. I think that Sayid’s character is very consistent. I see a man that has faced many ugly things in life that has hardened him, but not killed him. He is still alive inside. He faces a battle inside daily. It is hard for a mans heart to experience so much feeling and emotion to such extremes.
I said all that to say, I think the show would be ‘LOST’ without the flashbacks. How else would we learn who the characters are? Their history gives us depth and understanding.
(Mrs.Meister)
“but I think the flashbacks are important.”
i think the flashback *were* important. we’ve bounced this around many times, but they (the flashbacks) no longer seem to provide anything really new about the characters. how many times do we need to see jack trying to fix something/someone??? and often the only ‘interesting’ thing about them is the little easter eggs (e.g. pic of the Oracle woman Des spoke to was on the desk of the monk, etc.).
You know, they made such a point of lingering on the “body puppet” shot I’m starting to wonder if it really is supposed to be a “puppet” of sorts. What if Locke knew AC wasn’t really dead & left him chained up there & tossed an old withered corpse in the sack to bring back to the Others. The ruse wouldn’t last long, but it might buy Locke enough time to do something he’s got planned. I could be reading too much into it, but the whole scene seemed very odd to me.
His dad will heal in time when he reaches Ben (due to close proximity).
This will prove to Ben the miraculousness of Locke’s gift.
This is what he intended from the beginning, to see if he can resurrect the dead.
“when Locke picks up his father’s body-puppet ”
at the risk of sounding particularly picky, I thought the same thing…that dude has to weigh 230lbs…not an easy thing to just toss on your shoulder. but again…small detail.
No more picky than actually believing that a 6 year old could have fathered a child. Good point, though.
i’ll agree that i’m looking forward to the shit hitting the fan when Sawyer busts out the tape recorder, and if the others try and carry out their plan to kidnap Sun
And possibly Kate?
first off, sawyer is unwatchable to me: he is too soap opera/usa low budget porno movay/silk stockings looking and acting. the only more unwatchable character is juliet.
second, ill I can think about is season two and the numbers plot. is that important or did we just waste our time for a whole season?
third, from what I understood, having only started to watch at the end of season 2, many people would be pissed if they explained the others knowledge of the losties as being through computer files, because the accuracy of what they new seemed over the top and psycich. is this true?
I think in the first season, and parts of #2, The Others were mysterious…and creepy…and almost super-human or omniscient or something. they appeared out of no where and in force.
that mystery is gone and with it anything really interesting about them. that probably was inevitable. but they do seem like pretty pedestrian villains now. in fact, they seem like little else than a bunch of cultists.
I hope they hurry up and bust out the Flavor-aid.
hmm, hadn’t thought of that…maybe they’re in jonestown.
They’re not even consistent with them being cultists. Are they the torch wielding, branding, baby stealing, self righteous cultists; or are they the satellite dish having, armed to the teeth, submarine travelling, airplane crash faking super villians from a James Bond parody?
There is no way. I repeat, there is no way they will kill off Sawyer anytime soon. He is now apparently the second most popular character on the show. Very sad that I know this. But trust me. Anyways, I like his ponytail hairstyle. It’s kewl.
Who’s the first-most-popular? Hurley?
Yep. People love funny fatties. Sad but there you have it.
Of course you didn’t watch the show last night. That’s very convenient. When the episodes kick ass much like the one last night, the Lost haters suddenly lose their thunder. Maybe you should have subcontracted Nico to write the opening slam this week.
If Bigjim wrote this, i would completely understand.
No BigJim will come rip me for saying there was a few things I liked about the episode. It’s OK though, I wouldn’t want it any other way.
Dearest Nico,
I hate to say this, because it will forever tarnish my far-rightwing posts, but last night’s ep of Lost was actually somewhat slightly kind-of enjoyable.
I just have to say a few things about Matthew Fox. I agree that the guy who plays Sawyer is a B-level actor (probably borderline C). He could probably do his best work slamming a Brazilian whore up against a brick wall in a European bondage porn. But at least he can show different emotions (even if they aren’t believable). Matthew Fox on the other hand is incredibly one-dimensional. He acts on Lost the same way he did on Party of Five: like a drooling little man-bitch. not that I watched that show, had a girlfriend who did). I mean, come on, this guy is supposed to be a 35ish surgeon who reacts like a middleschool girl whenever he doesn’t get his way. “no! Im not telling Kate our secret! na na na na na! she slept with Sawyer and now Im mad”
How much of this are we supposed to endure?
P.S. what man cries as much as Jack? Straight faggin’ it.
I also didn’t hate this episode, it had some nice moments. I thought I had made this pretty clear in my initial post. It had some shitty moments (the last scene on the beach), but over all was OK. I just can’t say to myself: “I’ll take what I can get” about this show anymore though. They’ve let me down too many times. Still, I have to admit I’m a tiny bit excited to see how the big showdown will turn out over the last two episodes.
Don’t be douchebag my friend, I almost missed last nights episode myself (thank God for the Tivo, right? otherwise what on earth would I have to look forward to this morning?) due to you know… having a life. If you read my post below you’ll see I’m not afraid to admit when the show does something right. Those moments are just very few & far between this season.
I am not sure name-calling is appropriate but that’s your problem. I call them as I see them. When you are hilarious, I’ll be sure to give you full credit for it, i.e. Dr. Botox. That was some funny shit. The problem that I have with much of your current postings is that you have failed to turn down the criticism when the show has CLEARLY improved during the second half of the season. This isn’t just my baseless opinion but very well qualified media critics are all in unison that since the break the show has picked up its game. It was very fashionable to bash on Lost after those lame first six episodes as well as the ridiculous hiatus. We can even throw in Stranger, Tricia Tanaka and Exposed as lame filler. However, much like my grandfather who still likes wearing his Member’s Only jacket, you haven’t been able to change with the times. Your recent criticisms have been the same tired predictable pap. We already know that the show is not going to last beyond Season 4. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect everything to be answered by then. Several of the mysteries have been explained thus far in the second half of the season. Just because they were construed by the masses as obvious does not diminish this fact. Your rationale that because I watched the show live indicates I have no life is flawed at best, retarded at worst. You don’t know a damn thing about me, friend. However, since I know you spend the vast majority of your time in this site with your incessant blather, I might be inclined to make the assumption about you.
I actually wasn’t trying to make a comment about you not having a life at all. I was simply referring to Tyler not having time to watch the episode yet. Seems I hit a nerve though, hmmm…. As for calling you a doucebag, well I call ‘em likes I sees ‘em too. If you had any idea about how we interact with each other around here you’d realize I’ve called out Tyler myself for being lazy & not putting up a post. As for being a consistent & outspoken poster here, I enjoy most of the other people who come here & am lucky enough to have a job that affords me a lot of free time during the afternoons. Take a look at the times I post here guy, pretty much 10- 5. When I go home I like to focus on things like my fiancee & my collection of ceramic kitty cats (kidding, no offense to the real kitty collectors out there). I really don’t see what you’re so up in arms about – you’re the one who made the first jab. I always say what I like about episodes before I say what sucked when there’s something worth praising (like today’s first post for example). However, if you expect me to jump back on the Lost bandwagon because 6 out of 20 episodes weren’t total horseshit you’re dreaming.
Man such hostility these days. They should stick us on a deserted island, as long as we get guns and hallucinogens. Uh ohhhh new reality show!!!!
Now you’re talking!
hallucinogens? sign me up
Marc, go find a cause to defend that matters. Lost is just a TV show, which is why we have no problem ripping on it. If you don’t like the show being criticized, go back to the Fuselage or whatever it is with all the other fanboys and masturbate about the show.
Oh I’m sorry, that part about masturbation was a metaphor. I’m pointing that fact out since Ben was kind enough to tell us that the “Black Box” is a metaphor. We weren’t intelligent enough to get that on our own, nor the fact that “Ben manipulates people; he finds what is important to them and exploits it,” which is why we were explicity told.
Oh I have seen a definite marked increase in the plot ever since they stopped trying to explain things and just got back to distracting the audience like a 2 year old at Sears Portrait Studio.
To be fair, I recall several people (not on this board specifically) who thought the “magic box” was, like, an actual cardboard box that Locke’s dad popped out of. Swear to Christ.
…which is likely why that dialogue was added…which is an example of pandering to the audience.
however, cuse and lindelof claim they’re pioneering a new type of entertainment tv, one that is truly interactive in the sense that the audience, by virtue of web posts I guess, directs the course of the story, or at least the dialogue.
I would not be surprised, enough stuff has come onto the show which almost mimicked previous web discussions.
Let’s see if I can create this in a black box: a lost fanboy and a lost skeptic in a deathmatch on the island, armed only with pocket knives and ping pong mallet shields. THAT would be television. If they could actually draw the haters and lovers of the show into it.
Hey, Evil. Thanks so much for reminding me that Lost isn’t a matter of life and death. I am forever in debt to you for such a brilliant observation. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. Once the season concludes I will return to my full time gig of saving the whales.
You are an annoying pest, go fuck yourself.
Can you tell me how it kicked ass? Locke spends a week or 8 days with the others and he still doesn’t know anything about them. That’s crap. He should have pinned down Ben and said “tell me who the f you are and what the f you are doing living on this freak island or I’m going to cut off your fingers one by one.” But no, instead he says nothing, just lets Ben totally make an ass out of him, and then the only revelation in the ENTIRE episode is AC was the original Sawyer. Oh, and he thinks he’s in hell, when in fact we all know the EMT that put him under (to be revealed in a future flashback) was the hispanic dude (or possibly Ethan). Nothing resolved, nothing learned, only that Locke is a huge, throbbing wet PUSSY.
2 more episodes to answer the mystery, and I’m gone. Next weeks looks promising but I bet you now it won’t reveal much of anything, save who/what Dharma is. And does anybody really care if we find out about Dharma? I want to know who the “others” are! Are the a split faction of Dharma? If they don’t answer this, then I’m gone, another viewer “lost” (pun intended).
Thats exactly what i was thinking… Locke is a big pussy. 8 days is a long ass time in the wilderness… it comes down to what i said before. This episode was a blatant slap in the face by the writers. great questions are asked..
Locke (speaking to ben): Where are we? What does he mean?
Ben: We don’t have time to go into that right now.
and again and again they pulled that shit on us through the episdoe
one more thing… come on dude, don’t lie to yourself…. you know damn well you’ll watch every episode from now till the end of the series. you may not look forward to it, but you’ll definately watch them. either downloaded or you’ll get the dvds when they come out. I think all of us at this point have come so far, that theres no way we won’t finish the series (if only to keep posting on this site..
Well that was an entertaining ep. I’m glad they finally picked up the Locke thread again — it’s been what, a month since daddy turned up?
Maybe I should hit the LOST mystery site, but the show’s taking an annoyingly freaky turn. The producers have said for two years, “no, the Island is NOT hell” and then they throw that a curve. But the fans have pondered from the beginning how a plane drops out of the sky with about 100 survivors. Dead people like Dr. Sheppard and dead horses and planes from Nigeria turn up on the Island. Hell would be a convenient deus ex machina for the producers.
Suppose the Island is not hell, but you have to “die” to get there? Maybe this helicopter pilot “died” over the ocean and ended up deep in the woods, like Jack at the start of the show. Maybe Dr. Botox was given a lethal injection instead of a tranquilizer? So how do Michael and Walt and the sub pilots get off the Island? And how can anyone die on the Island if they’re already dead?
Yeah, it was an entertaining ep, but all these new mysteries and unresolved plot twists are getting increasingly tiresome.
I too am puzzled by the “death” and the island thing. But, if the “dead to get to the island thing” is true, then they could never leave, right? If that were true, the Michael and Walt would be – where? And if they are dead already, are they dying again (Locke’s Dad, for one). And also, didn’t that one lame Juliet flashback episode show that Ethan could leave the island, and that one of the “Others” left the island to film Juliette’s sister and her kid, and Ben say “hurry back” to him? So the death thing can’t be real. IF the writers try pull that crap as the main explainer of things, it will be the LAMEST plot ever. At this point however, the writers really can never satisfy with an explanation. If they did somehow, I would be truly amazed. I just don’t think the writers really can ever pull the main plot of this show out of the trash can, they probably had some clue once, but have smoked too much weed while writing and have “Lost” it.
Well, by season three’s shit standards this episode didn’t completely suck. The acting was a bit better than it has been of late, even Sawyer. Also, at least we’re getting back to the fact that Locke has some greater purpose for being there other than acting crazy. It was also nice to see the Black Rock again; reminded me of some of the really good moments from season one. The scene where Cooper is going a bit nutty & telling Sawyer they were in hell was also pretty creepy & effective (even if it was just a ruse). Of course, anybody who thinks he’s really dead must be smoking some of the primo island ganj. I was also delighted to see that our survivors are finally starting to question Jack’s loyalties, about GD time.
So here’s what sucked (imho): The girl who plays Naomi is awful, she used to play a character named Vanessa on Vegas- ‘nuf said. The phone, again with phones & radios & Sayid playing Mr. Fixit… this guy has literally become the Professor on Gilligan’s Island (but is the fact that he’s “never seen technology this advanced” supposed to have some signifigance- psssst: it’s from the FUTURE…). Rosseau walking in to non chalantly grab some TNT, maybe it was supposed to be forshadowing- it just seemed clunky & poorly scripted. My main complaint however is a big one. Why on earth would Locke think it was a BAD thing he wasn’t able to kill somebody (father or not) in an act of cold blooded revenge? I mean if it’s a me or them situation like combat, that’s one thing, but… Why on earth would you care what these evil, twisted f**ks thought about you? How could you justify goading somebody into murder (even though as I said, I don’t think Cooper is really dead)? The whole scenario just doesn’t make any sense at all. Why are the Others so “eye for an eye”? I mean one minute they’re all fire & brimstone “island folk” & then the next they’re wiki-searching people for info on their backrounds & trolling around in a submarine. Bad, bad, bad & inconsistent writing.
Oh yeah one more thing: Kate is such a stupid whore I hope Anthony Cooper comes to & slices her rat face off. What a hose bag- are we SUPPOSED to hater her? That scene was such soap opera bullshit it made me want to kick the TV.
Yes. She blows. I’m theorizing that the creators actually are setting her up for a big death scene in the finale, which is why they’re making her seem so useless and unlikable. (fingers crossed)
Lord, we can only hope that’s the case. I just hope if they kill her off they make it slow & painful. Of course, then we’re gonna’ have to sit through the big “funeral episode” for the season 4 opener. Watch cry baby Jack & nancy boy Sawyer cry big crocodile tears over their dead hooker love interest. It’ll be real good tele-novella stuff just like on Univison!
I say they get sawyer and jack to stand next to a fire facing each other. skewer her– one dick in her mouth, one dick in her ass, and have a nice rotisserie dinner.
i’m 12 again.
It happens… perhaps you should be more consistent taking your meds?
Like it or not, she is the biggest contributor to the show’s “T&A babe factor”. They’re not getting rid of her. Who knows? Maybe parachute girl is her replacement. And I don’t know why she annoys you all so much. I find her pretty insignificant and innocuous. Jack has emerged as the single most annoying and unlikeable character on the show. But they won’t touch him because he is part of the love triangle that the writers now seem obsessed with.
yea Jack is getting wayyy too annoying..and as someone mentioned before his acting isnt very suitable for his role!! And I dont think the woman playing Juliet is doing a very good job either…
“Kate is such a stupid whore I hope Anthony Cooper comes to & slices her rat face off”…..
hahaha! Now thats CLASSIC.
“used to play a character named Vanessa on Vegas-”…
it is her isn’t it? wow…she was (is) a horrible actor.
I hadn’t thought about the locke paradox (how can he NOT think it’s fine to kill his pops, but it’s fine to manipulate someone else to do it?)…strange. but I found that whole set up compelling and well acted, and that’s a huge improvement over most of this season.
To me it makes Locke seem even more cowardly than ever. It’s like he’s cheating along the way on this big journey he keeps blathering about. More to the point, he continues to seek acceptance at all costs (think about the commune) even from the sneaky, nasty, bad Others. At this rate his inner journey will take about 8 seasons…*sob*
Still, it was an imporvement as you say. The problem is after jumping the shark about 3 times per episode for the first 6 or 8 episodes of the season it’s a case of too little too late.
those are good and fair points no doubt. it does seem like “cheating”, which seems beneath locke. and his biggest character flaw (seeking acceptance) does get annoying and you want him to eventually say ‘enough!’.
in general, that’s a HUGE and pervasive flaw with the show. they never get to the payoff. we need to see the bad guys get whacked, we need to see heroes conquer their demons, etc.
last night, I felt this way when the Others packed up yet again and left locke with more mystery. it’s like they keep dropping crumbs, expecting us to follow (a not too subtle metaphor in the dialogue), w/o giving us any real glimpse of the reward.
“Of course, anybody who thinks he’s really dead must be smoking some of the primo island ganj.”
It certainly makes re-viewing episodes much more interesting.
WTF is a “doucebag? Sounds like one of your blow-up devices, or perhaps that fiancée you refer to. After a clunky start to Season 3, the show has picked up considerable juice. I know it’s painful for hypocrite nation to be grasping for reasons to rip on whatever now. Let’s take a closer look at your “reaches.”
1. “The girl who plays Naomi is awful” Her acting abilities are completely irrelevant in this context. The character is merely a cog to a larger concept that is starting to come together, that being the outside world. They didn’t need Meryl Streep to play the part. There are more than enough compelling characters to offset this.
2. “Sayid playing Mr. Fixit” A funny observation, but you fail to explain how this made the episode suck.
3. “Why on earth would Locke think it was a BAD thing he wasn’t able to kill somebody” Totally faulty logic. Just because Locke was unable to kill Cooper himself is NOT the same thing as him believing his demise to be a bad thing. There was nothing in the episode for you or anyone else to simply assume this. Plus if what you said had been true, there would be no way he would enlist Sawyer to kill him anyway. And yes, dude is dead, book it.
4. Why are the Others so “eye for an eye”? Again, this sounds more like impatience and frustration on your part that you don’t grasp the Others. Must every mystery be spoon-fed immediately? Plus I don’t see the contradiction between fire & brimstone vs wiki-searching all the 815’ers. Actually it is a very consistent pattern of evil intentions. Chilling!
Best part of the episode that I haven’t heard anyone mention; Ben makes the declaration that Locke “was not who we thought he was.” The writers slightly altered that line from the Dennis Green meltdown after the Bears-Cardinals Monday night game. And then we let them off the hook!!! Bring it on, “doucebag!”
1) She sucks, the character sucks, the whole speaking in 5 languages thins sucks & you suck.
2) Anybody who is a regular poster here knows why Sayid fixing things sucks, mainly because they’ve used that tired plot device (that NEVER helps them) about 8 times at least.
3) Maybe he is dead, but that doesn’t change the fact that one of the shows protagonists would murder a man in cold blood just to fit in with a bunch of psychos. Locke has become completely debased as a character just to suit the whim of the writers.
4) They go from freakin’ BRANDING somebody to using genetic engineering & riding in a submarine- so which are they, culitists? Or Hank Scorpio & friends? Makes no sense & shows the writers clearly had no idea what the Others were when they started to cobble this mess together.
Personally Marc, I could give two shits what you think- but I find it odd a rabid Lost fanboy (which you clearly ARE) would bother to visit this site. If you want to see the right way for a fan of the show to interact around here check out JT’s posts & how he gets along just fine with everyone here. Plus: in the very post of mine you quote, you conveniently fail to mention the entire first paragraph where I say plenty of good things about Wednesday’s episode. It wasn’t great, but it was better than most this season. I still say: a handful of decent (& none this year have been better than decent) episodes doesn’t make up for how bad they’ve fucked up this show. Douchebag…
To add on to Nico’s post (thanks for the kind words bro), that doesn’t mean you can’t defend the show, nor does it mean you can’t get a little nasty if you feel the criticism is unfair. But don’t make it a habit of blindly ignoring the valid points raised in my posts here. It’s okay to have different opinions — just don’t be a cock about it.
If you read back to my previous posts, I get a little pissy too, and essentially everybody here is really understanding of it. But I also try to be respectful to everybody without going over the top or attacking them for their beliefs. I also don’t agree with everything that gets posted here, and I often say so in profanity-laced posts, and I very often take myself too damn seriously. But no one’s attacking me for having different beliefs, which is refreshing and awesome.
Nico doesn’t hold back in his posts, and never will, so if you want to keep posting here, you might want to thicken your skin a little bit. Just advice.
Never has it been so easy yet entertaining to not only to hook a moron, but also to get him so flabbergasted that his counterpoints are essentially the verbal equivalent of “because I said so.” The part that really amuses me is that I got branded with the dreaded fanboy label. The way I understood it, a true fanboy would never criticize the show. I think you toss that term around too liberally to include those who disagree with your nonsense. I have gone on record as being frustrated with the awkward way Season 3 was aired. I have gone on record to be frustrated with the lack of answers as more mysteries were piled on (earlier in the season). I think its sucks that one of the most important mysteries on the island (Libby) will be ignored until some point next year. In the words of CCR, that ain’t me. Part of the endearing charm of this blog is the inherent hypocrisy of its members. You come to talk about why Lost sucks, yet if anyone really embraced that belief, you would not be so well versed in the show. When the episodes truly sucked (slightly less than half of the season) the criticisms were fair and hilarious. The only problem I got is that you failed to adjust your game plan when the episodes got decent. Like clockwork, you churn up the same tired observations or bitching about the polar bears, why Kate is a rat-faced whore, etc. You also seem to have zero understanding of Locke. He is gullible, perhaps naive and easily manipulated, but that doesn’t make him a coward. Your obvious lack of focus has prevented you from concentrating on the few important mysteries that are still unsolved. Just to show you the goodness in my heart, I’ll give you the credit you so richly deserve for mentioning those few good points in your post. Now, go fuck yourself.
I think Kate being a rat faced whore is a perfectly valid observation. The writers have continued to take the show further & further into soap opera territory. That sucks, plain & simple. As far as the last few episodes being “good”, I would argue that point & call them passable at best (again, among utter shit that came earlier). As far as me saying “because I told you so”, I really don’t feel the need to rehash every post I’ve made in the last 6 months & quite frankly you’re not worth the effort. Now do us all a favour & go back to The Fuselage, or whatever cock sucking fan boy site you came from.
I would have written back sooner had it not been for all my fanboy drool destroying my keyboard. So, let me get this straight; in the world of one Nico Toscani, a female character becomes a rat-faced whore for sleeping around. However, when Sawyer does the same thing it’s obviously cool since that’s a male character. Either way, it says a lot about your character. It clearly demonstrates that you are a male chauvinist. Hope that blow-up doll ERRRR “fiancée” enjoys that. Obviously you are desperate and pre-programmed to come up with anything negative whether or not it is justified, logical or integral to the plot. It’s not like you have always been this lame, for when the show was struggling, you had a wealth of stuff to rip on. I give Tyler all the credit in the world for his creativity. However all I see in you is some loudmouth, punk-ass, shit-talker who wishes he came up with this idea himself.
Kate= loves Jack, bones Sawyer= whore
Sawyer= loves Kate, bones Kate= not whore
Believe me, the show still has plenty worth ripping on. Like the lame ass soap opera love triangle pointed out above. You are a rude little dick head who likes to pick fights. I to give Tyler credit for this site too, but you should be glad I didn’t create this site because I would’ve banned your ass about 3 days ago for being an annoyance to the grown ups around here.
Okay see let me explain why women are whores for sleeping around and men are not. Okay let’s say a man has 10 bags of trash and he puts one bag of trash each in 10 different dumpsters. After that he’s just a man with no trash. But say there’s one dumpster and 10 different men each put one bag of trash in the same dumpster; afterward, you just have a dumpster with a whole lot of trash in it.
Love the math equations but again, warped logic as to your definition of whore. Basically what you are saying is that you can sleep with a thousand different women but it won’t make you a whore as long as you love each of them. However, if you only sleep with one person but might not truly be in love with that individual that makes you a whore. It’s still about quantity, not so much about quality. Also, there is no real proof that Kate isn’t in love with both. It is soap opera like but it is a non-factor as to what the real mysteries of the island are.
To Matt, you might have to diagram that because I have no idea the angle of that analogy.
for the one millionth time, FUCK THIS SHOW. last nights episode was a blatant slap in the face from the writers of the show, directly to the people who long for answers. The best part is they keep asking the questions everyone wants answered, but the next line in the script completely digresses from it. Where do you think you are? Hell?!? Give me a break. Once again, tiny trivial details that have nothing to do with the real mystery of the island are revealed, so Locke’s dad conned Sawyers parents, whooptie doo. Locke was supposed to be the island badass, but he had to turn to someone to do his dirty work, i have no respect for that. As far as Russo goes, pointless as usual, just another way for the writers to eat up a minute and a half of script time.. foreshadowing? i call it jerking your chain
Hi, thought I’d hop in here! There’s obviously no way anyone’s in hell. That Cooper dude, who probably has no clue why he’s on the island at all, probably latched onto that explanation as the only feasible one. That’s it.
And I’ll say it again: every time the writers start answering questions, it only pisses the viewers off. Because the episode isn’t quite close to an end date, they have to keep these questions unanswered — if they don’t, there’s a) no more show or b) more questions to piss people off.
Are you gonna come here and complain about the show when it turns out that Rousseau got the dynamite to, believe it or not, blow something up?
A caveat: I know this is WhyLostSucks.com, and I know I’m being kind of ceaseless in my defense of the show — particularly today — but PLEASE either back up your complaints with something or don’t make them at all. I’m perfectly willing to slam an episode when it deserves it, but some of the complaints I’m seeing today are just imbecilic (I’m not singling anyone out: some of the comments, most of which were made by regulars here, are valid). I know what this site is intended for, but I think that — because everyone here was allegedly a huge Lost fan at the beginning — it wouldn’t hurt to have just one blog post with positive comments. It really wouldn’t!
I’ll be the first one to give this show a positive review, when it deserves one. Theres no point in saying it, but I am still a huge fan of the show. For whatever reason, this is the only show that i look forward to every week, and the only one i’ll take the time to watch asap thursday morning if i miss it when it aires wednesday evening.
With that said, what more back up of my complaints do i need to add? Personally I just get frustrated because of the brilliance of the basis of this show, but every week those primal basic questions are ignored. Can anyone tell me why it matters that Locke’s dad is the connection between sawyer and locke? Or through the begining of the series, the writers made it obvious that there was some connection between all the survivors, ok.. so why is the connection important to the island? Oh i remember now, we’re gonna have to wait till the end of season 6 or whenever the show ends to realize why that is important, if we ever do learn why.
so yah, watching what seems like pointless drivel week after week does get frustrating, but i only have myself to blaim, because they got me so tied into it from episode 1×01, that i won’t stop watching.
also… do you think that actors should be patted on the back for delivering a good performance? or should that already be expected of them? granted, i’ll agree with everyone else who has already said so, the acting was generally better this week than it usually is.. but i don’t see any point of mentioning it.
finally… guys, i realize i’m watching a television series. i don’t expect it to have the brilliance of shakespere, or the pure genius ability that even a comedy like seinfeld had that tied everything in together so fucking well at the end of every episode.. i don’t expect that with this show, all i want and demand is something to chew on week to week. Don’t give away the whole point of the series, just something every now and then that’ll make me say… “oh, THAT’s why there is a polar bear there” (not only just polar bears, you get what i’m saying)
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Dude, are we watching the same show?! Give credit where credit is due. The past few epis have been more than tolerable. Quite entertaining in fact and I consider myself a relatively discerning member of the audience. Your posts never cease to amaze me. Was there nothing you enjoyed about this epi?! Even when questions are answered, you bitch. I think you are expecting the show to be as brilliant as Shakespeare. Come on, dude! I think the point of this epi was less about providing a resolution to the Locke-daddy/Sawyer connection. Rather, the point was to advance the Locke/Others plot. We now know what Locke has been up to for a few weeks. We know that he is not in collusion with the Others. We know that the island has curative properties and that the Others are waiting for some kind of Messiah. We know that there are dissenters among the Others. We know that the survivors of the plane crash are dead to the rest of the world. If you bother to look, quite a few questions have been answered.
Yeah, but what do the numbers mean? Who is Jacob? Wtf is wrong with Desmonds noodle (I mean his brain pervos)? Why was Libby in the institution? Where are Michael & Walt? Where are Rose & Bernard for that matter? Now that the world thinks Nikki is dead, did her show become a hit? Who is Eric Cartman’s father? Too many questions from 2 years ago still not answered, too many new boring questions raised & quickly answered just to appease us.
ok first of all, fuck you, i don’t appreciate being called a bitch for having an opinion. second of all.. as you can see i clearly said i DO NOT expect this show to be as brilliant as shakespeare.
i already said, i agree.. the past few episodes have been better than the rest of the season. with that said, ok I accept that the episode had less to do Locke/Sawyer/Conn artist daddy. and sorry for not picking up the fact that the others are waiting for some kind of messiah, that totally went over my head. i guess now we finally realize that the island has curative properties, i didn’t catch that the thousand other times they hammered it in with Rose and Locke before.
you say we know the survivors are dead in a plane crash, can you say that for sure?
and now we know what locke has been up to the last week? all we know is that “he isn’t ready” whatever the hell that means. can you say for sure that he isn’t still in collusion with the others? i remember the episode ending with him dragging away the dead body of his father to who knows where.
as far as did i enjoy anything in the episode… yes, i enjoyed watching the demise of Locke’s dad. but with the whole patchy scenario, we can’t even be sure if he is really dead. and obviously i still enjoy watching the show, otherwise i wouldn’t watch it anymore. all i can say in my defense is I must be getting frustrated after just about 3 seasons and we’re still moving at a snails pace
Dude, chill. Turkey wasn’t calling you a bitch. Turk just said you were bitching. As a verb.
That being said, good points. I just disagree. I guess I’m a different type of television-watcher.
Well now I am calling him a bitch. Jerome suck my drumstick you whiney little bitch. See just now, lest there is any doubt, I was actually calling you a bitch, bitch.
i can’t believe i’m getting slammed by someone who’s obsessed with the word “turkey” and finds it necessary to call themselves by it. Turkey… i didn’t start the namecalling with you, for whatever reason you want start calling me a bitch, you can shove it up straight up your turkey asshole you bird brained piece of shit.
Heh, heh… nothing wrong with verbal sparring when it’s this funny.
I’m glad I could be a source of entertainment to you Nico, finally my life is not without purpose. Stay tuned in the weeks to come for more zingers between myself and turkey, unless our mutual contempt for Lost resolves the problem by its on volition
Okay…I see your points. Thanks for posting them. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to praise an actor when they do a bang-up job. I’ve always thought the acting was pretty darn solid on the show, so I think it’s appropriate to point out when it actually exceeds viewer expectations. Plus, the episode might have suffered, overall, if it weren’t for the top-notch acting, thus it contributed to my enjoyment of the episode as a whole.
It seems your main beef with the show is the speed at which answers are handed over to us — is that accurate or am I misreading your post?
thats right on the money. i’m cool now, i think Stickman’s post below summed it all up perfectly.
I think for me I was pretty generous with the praise in my initial post. It didn’t totally suck, but a few good episodes strewn amongst a mine-field of utter shit does not a good season make.
AMEN BROTHA!
Compared with other episodes from this season you can see an improvement. They decided to at least wrap up the old Sawyers revenge against the man who ruined his life, which started way back in season 1. The focus was placed on Swayer, Locke and Desmond which less face it are the only characters of interest in the show. Unfortunately they brought in Jack and at this point all I want is a season end where he gets killed for being such an idiot. The next few episodes will see a pick up in pace but this is natural for any season end.
This used to be a good show and over the last couple of episodes has taken steps (small as they might be) in the right direction. The real question is whether or not the writers will pick up the pace a bit in season four, deliver some good scripts and some bloody answers. Cause at this point the hardcore fans will either jump ship and the series will sink mid season 4 and not be renewed or the show picks up and everyone writes season 3 of as a low point and moves on for at least two more seasons.
Oh if the writers are reading please for the love of god kill jack at this point he just really pisses me off. In every scene he’s in he honestly looks like he’ll cry and plus buddying up with miss one expression is not doing anyone any favors. I’d suggest Russo put the dynamite to good use and throw it in his tent.
Nice post! I agree with everything, especially the part with Rosseau offing Jack & Dr. Botox- that’d be freakin’ sweet.
She should hide the dynamite in the tampon box. That would kill all the characters i hate– kate, botox, claire, jack.
and sun would be spared cause she doesn’t need em right now.
Heh, that one was immature & funny at the same time. It’s true though, Jack is on the rag all the time lately.
ha! jack uses tampons for his mangina…
Wow!! I can’t believe that I get on the site 6-hours later than most everyone else (HST timezone) and it looks like everyone is in some sort of Battle Royal / last one not thrown over the top rope wins. Everyone seems so testy over this epi.
I would have to say that this was undoubtedly the best in season 3. Locke did appear to have some aspects of his earlier character which made him so enjoyable and Sawyer did get to re-emerge as a little bit of a badass (not from killing the guy but from walking through the jungle barefoot). And can I get an “amen” for no pointless flashbacks. I was giddy like a school girl.
That being said, the part of the plot back at the beach seemed to be a little bit of a trainwreck. I still didn’t find the interactions believable and to throw in a teaser at the very last minute that is no more clever than “we have to tell her; no not yet” was pretty lame.
So, overall I agree in some regard with those on both sides of the fence this week. If every episode this season had been closer in quality to this one, the show wouldn’t deserve all of the criticism we heap on it. However, at the same time you can’t throw everyone a bone once in a blue moon in the form of a decent episode and expect us to sing your praises. And after the episode, when I went back and thought about it, despite the overall strengths of the epi, in the end I think it would be hard to argue that anything much really happened. Yes, I agree that they are creating a feel that something significant is coming, it’s not like they actually did much other than further inflate this feeling. Which, isn’t totally unforgiveable but as someone suggested earlier, at least quit pretending on the promos that “THIS will be the episode that answers all your questions!!”
On a closing note, I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and all commence a giant group hug.
*Hugs everybody except Marc the doucebag*
Even I can say you’re correct, this was the best episode of the season so far. Unfortunately during a season so rife with utter garbage that is feint praise indeed. I kind of got mad at myself for getting into last nights episode, “what will I say at whylostsucks?” I asked myself. Then the scene at the end with Jack, Kate & Dr. Botox came along & reminded me of why I came to this site in the first place.
Yeah that scene was crap compared to the rest of the epi. Jack has become insufferable. I was intringued nonetheless about the whole “tell her” exchange between Jack and Botoxia at the end. Yet another mystery.
I also hated this scene. Agree with the earlier poster that Jack the Wuss, Kate the Obsessed with Jack the Wuss, and Botox Sunbathing with Jack the Wuss all MUST DIE
Thank you Stickman. I’m hugging you right now. I’m hugging all of you. Gobble gobble.
Hugs for everybody. Love all of you guys still. Besides, nobody should be surprised that I enter rant-mode from time to time.
Skeptic, are we still buds?
Are we?
Hello?
a good rant is healthy for the soul, brotha!
none of us here should ever take another poster too seriously…or too personally…we are mocking/insulting/praising a television, this isn’t Yooks vs. Zooks after all.
AMEN… you pretty much summed up what i feel about this episode and season very well and without the sheer frustration i feel after i watch this show. thanks!
I forgot to comment on this one line:
“Which, isn’t totally unforgiveable but as someone suggested earlier, at least quit pretending on the promos that “THIS will be the episode that answers all your questions!!””
I think it’s such an extraordinarily good point that I just wanted to jump the hell right onto it. ABC’s promos really suck the big one. Seriously. And I guess they *have* to craft them so they’re dramatic and exciting, but you’re right — they’re nothing but misleading, and I think the network really alienated a number of viewers with that one promo before the tattoo episode, where they claimed they would answer a big three questions or something (even the creators, in the podcast, were pretty pissed about that).
I also think they should do away with promos altogether, but that’s just me.
I’m late to the hug party but well said, Stickman. I’ve been lurking on this site for weeks and only just got up the nerve to post yesterday… and this morning I log on and everyone’s all mad.
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Can we all be friends now?
We always bicker amongst ourselves, but in a fun way. JT is the resident whipping boy, being the only consistently “fannish” voice (not a fanboy, but certainly still a fan of the show). Quite frankly, the fact he fits in so well around here is a testament to the quality of the posters who visit this site. Then you get the occasional fanboys who pop up to hurl insults & lavish the show with undue praise. I am unapologetic in my eruptive reactions to their posting here. In my opinion, they have it coming…
“Then you get the occasional fanboys who pop up to hurl insults & lavish the show with undue praise.”
Actually, I made the first post, but it was you who started with the insults (which the illiterate piece of execrement couldn’t even spell). Are we senile too, Nico?
You spelled excrement wrong, dude.
I am aware of that, thank you fellow fanboy. Trust me in that it was an unfortunate mistake never to be repeated.
by the way… i really do think based on all of todays posts on whylostsucks.com that last nights episode was actually a good one. look at how much debate and heat it has generated
I would agree; it actually threw a little gasoline on the flickering ember that the plot was starting to become. I mean, hey… at least SOMETHING happened!
Did anyone else notice that Sayid had almost no muscle on his arms? The dude used to be ripped. It was really noticeable.
Since I am not gay, I hadn’t noticed
Just kidding, you are right. Perhaps we can blame it on the island since he is not getting enough food, etc. Oh wait, Hurley appears to be getting FATTER in each episode. I mean, really, does everyone see that? This past episode it really look like his neck was an anaconda attempting to swallow his head. Guess he keeps eating Dharma Bacon, Cheetos, and Big Macs. I am thinking the other islanders may not be getting their fair share of the food because Hurley is eating it all. My guess is he will be killed off this season, just because the actor is probably getting winded just walking around. Unless Hurley can get the VW bus rolling for good, then he can just drive thru the jungle
I noticed his weight seems to fluctuate like crazy- this last episode I looked at my financee & said: “Did Hurley gain back the 30 lbs he lost plus about 40 more?” To which she responded: “must be from dipping his mangos in the Dharma (TM) brand ranch dressing he hoards”. Yeah, the first scene he’s in on the beach this last episode his stomach was the size of a VW Beetle.
He’s gotten a bit tubby over the last season for sure.
Well we know what’s coming next. It was pretty much laid out in soap opera fashion.
Juliet wanted Jack to tell Kate (is she not the most pestering nosey harpie of a whore ever set forth on prime-time?) about either A) Her truth as a mole, or B) her plan to save Sun and her baby.
However, Jack wouldn’t have anything of it which means that Sawyer will come first with the revelations and evidence of Juliet’s role as an imbed other thus putting Jack on a collison course with Sawyer (just when they were becoming buds) and the survivor gang. Jack will need to tell them that Juliet came clean to him without himself coming across as an imbed himself. They will go ‘Lord of the Flies’ with Jack and Juliet banished, and I guess Kate will go with them as either A) Juliet will be lynched and kiled, or B) Kate, knowing that they had intended to tell her something important will believe them and join them making yet another choice between Jack ans Sawyer in this continuing see-saw battle on her emotions. I think Juliet will either flee, carryout Sun’s kidnapping, or be killed. Jack will be banished and Kate willl choose him. I can see it coming all too clearly.
We’ll just have to see like sand in the hour glass as the world turns…
My apologies.
Sadly, it all sounds very plausible Laurent. Sad, sad, sad….
hmm, maybe…
given they did the whole “should we tell her” bit after kate mentioned the possibility of rescue, it’d be more plausible that they’d tell her something along the lines of “there is no rescue” or “they’ll never find us b/c the island protected by a magic turtle”.
I think the big secret is no communications can escape from the island due to the magnetic anomaly. The phone won’t work. But here’s a thought, won’t the ship that Naomi launched from wonder where she went? And why is the 815 wreckage off of Bali? In tact, no less. I wait for answers, but they’ll let this go until season 4, mark my words.
Per Evil’s post way above, that whole slavery thing was not only incredibly distasteful but also ludicrously inaccurate. A slave ship thousounds of miles away from the trans-Atlantic commercial shipping lanes where you would have expected ships to sink? Sigh. And dynamite on a 19th century slave ship? I know: maybe a Michael and Walt got picked up by an slaveship on their way back home? Snort.
BOOOO!! HSSSSS!! Turkey make bad jokey…
It puts forth notion that the island is some sort of magnetic Bermuda Triangle, especially in regards to bad folks
Secondly, slaves were not confined to African peoples, despite what the PC brigade has led everyone to believe. Most defeated and conquered indigenous peoples were also forced on slave ships in places as far as India and Japan. Slave ships (slavers) were a fundamental attribute in most colonial navies. They often were used as coastal vessels where the slaves were forced to man the oars. But, this is beside the point as this show is all about symbolism and not to be taken literally, nor seriously.
Also the timeframe is correct in regards to the conquest of Hawaii.
Ok, I finally watched the show online. I guess I am in the minority in that I didn’t think it was anything special. This Locke as a hero theme doesn’t sit well with me, especially after he seems to be nothing but a pussy. I mean, having to get Sawyer to do his dirty work is just sad. And just because his dad was killed don’t mean anything really happened. I’m sure the bag will start twitching and he will spring back to life like good old patchy. Remember kids, its a “magic” island! Once you sping that kind of cat out of the bag, really nothing that happens can ever mean anything again. This show has screwed itself into a corner that, in my opinion, they can’t escape from now.
I think Jerome summed it up best when he said “Fuck this show”
Yes, the magic healing properties is a giant escape clause for the writing staff. It can heal flesh wounds, sonic wave brain trauma, and paralysis, but not cancer nor death by plane crash, nor smoke beasts, nor explosions…
As a caveat, to the delight of many plus sized fans, the island fails to consider morbid obesity to be an illness as well.
ha! funny boy!
but on the ’serious’ side…didn’t Ben imply that Locke was responsible for his healing? and Locke showed signs of super-fast healing as well…but patchy knocks that theory since I presume he wasn’t near locke, or was he?
anyway, if Locke’s pops isn’t dead, it’ll be more of the same fatal flaw that cripples this show. nobody bad “gets theirs” and nobody good is rewarded. this show isn’t so deep to survive if the ‘bad guys’ win…or worse, if there ARE no bad guys.
His dad is dead, but after Locke carries him on his back for 10 miles he will heal (come back from the dead) just in time to show Ben.
What ben wanted all along (the fact that Locke can’t kill). Not that he can’t (the desire) we have seen that wiyh Igore(d), but that he’s magical and the people don’t die!
Perhaps since Sawyer killed him he is dead, or perhaps Locke’s powers will heal him.
Ben thinks that Locke can’t kill (he has healing powers that prevent murder). What he wanted to prove.
Now 2 things will happen:
Locke’s dad is in fact dead because Sawyer killed him (and not Locke), and Ben will think Locke is without the magical properties or
Locke’s powers will heal his dad and he will arrive to ben alive.
man, that’s convoluted.
Again, sounds about right to me.
After Sawyer uses his super-strength to kill Locke’s Dad, Locke uses his healing power to bring him back to life. Then, Ben will use his evil mind power to command Locke to kill him again. Meanwhile Hiro will bend time and space and stop the plane from crashing in the first place….
You are definitely on the right track, Locke’s dad is dead in the physical sense — at least in the physical sense as it relates to the island — which, as we know, exists on a different dimensional plane than the rest of the world (and possibly the universe). In a non-island sense, Locke’s dad is likely still alive — meaning the manifestation of him on the island could only represent some component of himself (perhaps his soul) which has been transported there by fate to be confronted by those whom have been most affected by his grifting lifestyle. But “death” in the island sense is never permanent. In fact, Locke’s dad and Locke himself may signify the immortality of the soul itself. Thus, we should fully expect the lifeless lump in the body bag to experience a resurrection. It is also important to note that Sawyer embodies a part of Locke’s dad (the original Sawyer) just as the magical horse constituted some part of Kate’s psyche. So it really could be that the “mystery” of the island really has nothing to do with the main characters of Lost. The placing of Locke and Sawyer onto the island occurred so that Locke’s dad could conquer his own demons. Similarly, the magical horse clearly has some deep seated issues related to Kate. So yes, I think you have a very good point.
Trés bien!
Tommy, you are my kind of openminded dreamer! Whilst others enjoy debating masts and cell-phones you have taken it upon yourself to contemplate the macrothemes of this program, and hence where the real challenge and criticisms lie.
I forgot about the horse, which reminds of so much I have forgotten because they have gone unaddressed.
Sacre’ bleu!
Laurent you have a real superiority complex. Too bad that its just an illusion….
ZZZZzzzzzzz…
What a scandalous provocation… (yawn).
Now the dullard-duo must seek me out. The irony is that you seek, no, you crave my attention. But I give you no more.
And yes, I have a deep-seated superiority complex manifesting itself on a web-log devoted to the criticism of a declining primetime American fantasy TV program.
You are an astute one to be sure.
You’re criminally stupid.
Actually, we just like calling you a moron.
Why are you picking on Laurent? Shooting down Tommy’s theories is becoming a time honored tradition around here! They’re nutty, but just plausible enough to make one give them consideration.
Nico, you’re nothin’ widdout dat badge & gun!
I really enjoy reading the theories and proposing my own, but it’s almost impossible to remember all of the wacky happening on this show. I totally forgot about the horse, and Thero totally reminded me of the igloo science station! It’s almost impossible to make predictions and plausible theories, but fun nonetheless, but hey Nico, for some people calling others stupid, moronic and whacked is there idea of fun, and I won’t deny them as I must be truthful and admit that many of my own posts come across as rude or insulting, but I do not target anyone, in fact I just respond to posts and sometimes only realize that I was posting a response to someone whose comments I normally enjoy, but I rarely insult personally. I don’t mind my crazy theories being picked apart, because it helps me remember the many things I overlooked, the skeptic is particularly helpful in this area, and you tend to be one of the most open minded people around here, but alas it is not utopia, and I must serve my penance for my snarky posts by tolerating some unoriginal namecalling by 2 weirdos who stalk me. It adds the the adventure of this virtual lost realm!
Comment to Nico. This is Mrs. Meister. We were not picking on Laurent at first. He was name calling in his pompous way he does it earlier all because he got his feelings hurt when I VERY POLITELY disagreed with him about Juliet wanting Jack to tell Kate that they planned to kidnap Sun. He spewed his venom. Since then, it is very hard to overlook the condescending way he speaks. If you go back and read close to the top, you’ll see where Laurent went postal. As for Tommy’s posts… shoot down all you want. Looking forward to tonights epi. I hear there is going to be another flashback. OHhhhhhhhhhh the excitement!!!
Excuse me, yes-yes, sure-sure, plead the case, beg understanding, just listen your honor, mom,he started it, i didn’t do anything, it’s not me it’s him, i’m just as shocked as you are, i’m the victim!
excuses excuses yet I was right.
I totally agree with your comments about Locke. Like I’ve been saying, this episode was better than most of this craptacular season has been. Still, it’s kind of like polishing a turd.
Oh ya, and some housekeeping items. Guys, when you try to post a link, the spam filter will usually delete the post. This has to be this way to thwart the hundreds of comment spammer than try to kill this forum every day (or perhaps Lost executives).
Secondly, although it’s never happened to me, I see talk of people losing their brilliant posts when posting. Just a suggestion, right before hitting add comment, give a quick ctrl-a, cntr-c to copy your post to your buffer in case something fails.
Nice, now we just need an EDIT feature. Maybe for next season?
I’m purposely not doing that just cause you bitch about it so much
Liar…
So Tyler, what are you gonna’ do with this place over the summer?
Tyler’s agreed to sell me the domain for the duration of the summer. I will be changing the format — instead of Why Lost Sucks, it will be a Kate Austen fansite. Email me if you need signup information!
That shit is NOT funny JT!
Greetings from Finland! (you know, the small, cold country in North-Europe.. home of Santa.. we have saunas and reindeers, but not polar bears – they moved to Lost island)
I felt the need to share this with you so here it goes:
I have laughed my ass off reading you ppl storming about how badly Lost sucks.
I have a hobby. I download and watch the latest Lost episode. I almost can’t wait for the episode to end. Why? Because I’m so anxious to get online, type ‘www.whylostsucks.com’, and read what has been written of the episode. This site actually keeps me watching the show, because I have to know what has happened to be able to laugh at your extremely funny posts
This time my prize goes to “Evil” – his post was the most entertaining one.
Finnish channel “Nelonen” started airing Lost in 2006. The hype was amazing. Never before had an american show been advertised so much beforehand. I believe Lost Season 1 broke records in Finland, being the most popular non-finnish show ever. But the popularity did not last long. During Season 2 the show was moved to “JIM”, a b-class channel owned by the same company, because the show simply wasn’t good enough and ratings went down “like the cows tail” (a finnish expression).
I just cannot understand that in USA Lost is still “Prime time TV”..
Anyways, I will continue my weird hobby – watching the show and enjoying your funny posts.
“This time my prize goes to “Evil” – his post was the most entertaining one.”
Evil, congratulations, dude! I wonder what you win. Perhaps some Dharma salad dressing! Or a miniature replica of the hatch!
I think I probably win the Board Game version of “Lost” as a consolation prize.
More international visitors- SWEET! Tero, you rock- it’s nice to know that people from all around the world come here & they get it. Don’t be shy about posting again my friend, I’d love to hear your take on the episodes.
Hmmm… I wonder what constitutes Finnish Prime Time? The Pickeled Herring Recipe Hour? Indeed, Lost must be awful.
Well I’m not exactly sure what “The Pickeled Herring Receipe Hour” means, but I see that your intention is to mock finnish people even if you clearly don’t know anything about Finland or it’s people.
In case you really do wonder what constitutes Finnish Prime Time: Right now the Hockey World Championship Tournament probably gathers people around tv-screens quite efficiently.
C.S.I -shows, Desperate Housewifes, 24, Ugly Betty and Prison Break, to name a few, are currently popular american shows.
It was a veiled reference to the beloved and deposed Chirac’s comment, “One cannot trust people who have such bad cuisine. After Finland, it (UK) is the country where people eat the worst food.”
Apparently it elicited a rather strong reaction and rebuke, however it was quickly forgotten when the story was eclipsed by Finland’s World Snowshoe Championship victory.
My apologies.
“..Snowshoe World Snowshow Championship victory”. Considering that comment I must assume, Laurent, that you are also French. Let’s hear it then: What is prime time in France? Emmanuelle tv-series or something similar?
Tero, you win, I have been battling all week and all over this board, and I lay down my sabre to your fair head and fearless battle axe. You will not reach your beloved virtual Valhallla by my hand you fine boned Scandy devil.
My Finnish friend, I have a non-Lost related question. I have read that Finnish is one of the few non-Indo-European languages of Europe and that it is part of the Uralic language family which also includes Estonian and Hungarian (I realize that the term “Hungarian” is really a misnomer and should actually be “Magyar”). With this in mind, I am fascinated by the connection between the Finnish and Hungarians. To what extent are the languages similar (common vocabularies)? Most Finns and Hungarians I meet in America are only dimly aware of the connection; I thought that a native Finn might be more acutely knowledgeable regarding the issue.
Interesting question, I’m happy to give the best answer I can, as I’m not an expert in this field:
The languages are indeed related, and they share the basic “structure”. To my knowledge, sentences are formed in the same way. Also words “bend” in the same way when used in different context. It is said that hungarian, or magyar, is so similar to finnish language, that a finnish person should easily learn it. But still, I’ve heard a native hungarian person speak and I did NOT understand a single word, nor did I have the slightest qlue of what he was talking about
On the other hand, it is said that estonian language is not as near to finnish than hungarian is. Still finnish and estonian share a great quantity of words. A finn usually understands what an estonian person is talking about. This is why we have lots of Estonian young men working at construction sites here in Helsinki – They expect less money but do good work.
I’m surprised that you are interested in this. May I ask why?
I’m happy to answer any further questions. Too bad that my english isn’t good enough – my limited vocabulary keeps me from expessing myself as accurately as I would want to. But I hope this anwer was satisfying 
Thanks our Finnish friend. Finland is in Sweden right? (I kid, I kid) I was reading the paper today and there was an “Overheard in the City section and some pair said: ‘Where is Belgium, is it in Germany?’ ‘No, it’s in Brussels’ ” No kidding. But in Lost, it really could be in Germany.
Really I just come here to rant and to make fun of the show, and myself (for watching the show). I hope I some day find Finnish TV as fantastically hilarious and addictive as you find US TV. What are the hit shows in Finland these days?
“I hope I some day find Finnish TV as fantastically hilarious and addictive as you find US TV” – I find it hard to believe this is ever going to happen. The reason is very simple. We suck at making good tv-shows. I can name only 4 good finnish drama/crime-shows. The only exception is comedy, but finnish humor can only be understood by finns.
That’s why we need US tv-shows. They are well produced and entertaining, and generally have plots that are interesting enough and easy to follow. Well.. excluding Lost. But I’m strangely addicted to Lost, but I also hate it for being so.. bad. Still I somehow enjoy watching it.
I already named a few popular shows, but the one I currenly like the most is Prison Break. It rules!
Oh come on what about Law and Order: Stolen Reindeer Unit? or CSI: Helsinki ?
Locke = Davy Crockett of the jungle
John, didn’t you ever see Seven?
For that matter this episode’s main subplot (or main plot depending on how you look at it) was about lugging around heavy things such as bodies, folded up wall tents, backpacks, boxes of dynamite, etc. Oooo! I can see a fanthread starting up now – “Conspiracy of needless lifting” or “Convert Island Pilates Workouts”.
This show is just getting more and more moronic.
I will play the role of curmudgeon this week because I think many of this week’s rants, I mean blogs, have gone the way of fine nitpicking. There seems to be a preoccupation with some rather minor details while there are giant gaping plot holes and character development issues that need to be dealt with.
I find it funny, yet awfully pedantic, when people here can argue about a slave ship, satellite phones, dynamite, or the weight of a corpse when:
- there is a giant raging smoke beast that’s allurgic to high pitch sounds?
- there are packs of rampaging gigantic polar bears?
- there is an element of timetravel?
- people interact with dead relatives?
- everyone is previously interconnected?
- people come back from the dead?
This show is pure fantasy! I mean, underware gnomes can come next week and hand out ice cream cones to everyone from the back of a brontosaurus and what can you say, that underwear gnomes are too small to handle a brontosaurus and only know how to make keebler cookies and not ice cream, and besides ice cream would melt in the heat, and that a certain actor didn’t make the right face when enjoying his cone while receiving fellatio from a large mouthed she-gnome?
Maybe I’m wrong.
elves make cookies, not gnomes.
and if you were referring me my comment about the weight of dead poppy, I wasn’t being critical as in “what bullshit! locke could never lift that dude!”. i actually thought when he hoisted the load “wow…that guy must weigh a ton…I wonder if I could sling a dead body over my shoulder like that”
anyway, if we didn’t pick these nits, how could we feel superior to the remaining fans that watch?
Um yeah even if the she-gnome has a large mouth, she wouldn’t be able to reach your penis. You should really think about the dumb things that come out of your mouth before you actually say em.
How banal, how expected.
I’ve been to whorehouses in Oaxaca my dear friend. They are the closest things to gnomes this side of the African pygme forests.
HA! You French really are wordsmithes aren’t you? You forgot to mention the anomoly of gnomes and Bronotsaurus’ being from different epochs in time/space.
I recall that in Season 2 final episode (or was it earlier?) there was a strange scene where some people in a weird, cold, kinda north-pole-style monitoring station picked up some interference with their equipment. The interference was caused by Desmond turning the key in The Hatch and causing the odd super-powerful magnetic field. I want to know WHAT THE HELL were those people doing in that iglu-looking monitoring station!! There has been no explanation to this, or if there has, I’ve missed it.
Too bad I’ve deleted all previous seasons from my hard-drive. I wanted to see what else happened in that episode.
Ok so lets for the time being ignore the fact that Sayid (my favorite character on the show) was stupid enough to work on the phone so close to the camp, and focus on the point where he tells Kate to “keep the matter of the phone very quiet”. What does she do? tells the only person in the camp who they dont want to know of their discovery!! what the hell is that?
And another point of uncertainity. If Ben is the super-genious he is portrayed to be, then would’nt he notice that his voice recorder is missing? And if he did wouldnt locke be the first person to suspect?
All in all i think it was a good episode. It promises a good next episode.
Yeah kate’s a fuckin moron. And they all promise good NEXT episodes.
I kind of figured Ben is well aware of his missing tape recording. Getting it in Sawyer’s hands seems like part of a plan going back to when Ben & Juliet made the recording. It would explain the excessive exposition when they made the tape. Whether Locke is aware of this plot or just a patsy remains to be seen.
The thing to keep in mind with Ben is that he is able to do things that seem counter-productive to his cause, only in the end to get the exact result he truly wants, which makes him the evil genius he has been to this point. My guess is that he knows Locke took the recorder and doesn’t really care. Next episode should reveal a lot, and how strange is it that Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite is going to play Ben’s dad. Brilliant!
Egads! Did we just agree on something?
It appears so. I must be careful not to allow that to happen again.
It is becoming increasingly irritating to read every week “Next week is gonna be awesome!” “Just wait until the next episode!” I have been reading that every week since February and the promise is never fulfilled.
That being said, I acknowledge that there does seem to be some kind of consensus that the show has improved. Although I find it funny (I would say ironic but I don’t think it quite fits) that many Lost enthusiasts would often post comments here, accusing the “Lost haters” of a type of “group think”. I never bought into that. The Lost naysayers tend to express well reasoned justifications for their criticisms. At the risk of coming off as a bit pompous, I would posit that the recent upsurge in positive reviews is a function of the exact type of “group think” of which many here were accused. As I previously posted, the recent episode was receiving raves before it even aired and I notice that many of the favorable commentary I have been reading here echoes closely what I read in the popular media.
It’s as if some group of TV execs met in a boardroom and decided that the message needs to be ingrained that “Lost is back”. Sadly, to some degree, the effort appears to be working. I would note that Tyler launched this website long before it became vogue to say “Lost Sucks”.
I nominate this for “Post of the Week” (if such an honor existed).
Surprisingly no complaints on the last episode… but I must admit that the recent banter posted here has been a bit more entertaining than season 3 thus far…
I heart you all…
Okay, so I watched the episode and as usual thought it sucked, but then again I’ve pretty much checked out on this show completely so my opinion shouldn’t hold much weight… BUT, am I alone here or is there a real shades of “Scooby-Doo” vibe coming on around that island?
We’ve had stories about dynamite, slaves being used to mine things and when the castaways were captives they were being forced to break rocks, leading me to think that there’s some sort of fantastic element being mined on the island. An element so amazing that a group of crooked miners decided to prevent anyone from coming to their island by creating the legend of a wicked and scary group known as The Dharma Foundation.
Then, just in case someone still was brave enough to try and explore the island they created a “Smoke Monster” using a system of pulleys, two flashlights and a broken tambourine.
I predict that the final episode will involve “Ben’s” rubber mask being pulled off to reveal Old Man Jenkins… Or “Anthony Cooper,” whatever. I also predict he’ll say “And I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn’t been for you meddling kids and your dog” and then Vincent will bark and everyone will laugh.
That’s possibly the most likely explanation I’ve heard in a while. I’m BEGGING you to go post that on Losttheories.com just so we can all have a laugh at the fanboy flames you’ll get.
Your wish has been granted under the recently posted title of “Shades of Scooby Doo”… Mekka Lekka Hi-Mekka Hiney Ho.
(Let the flaming commence…)
That’s the best theory I’ve ever heard. If it doesn’t get a 5 rating on lostheories, there’s no justice in this world.
Huh, they actually got the joke over there- that was no fun…
kinda bad news… they said there is going to be 5 deaths. they excluded jack (of course!) and hurley & rose (since “they are everyones favorite characters). so who? i guess they won’t kill sawyer and kate nomatter how we all wish it would happen. seriously i dont believe they will ever kill such “important” charcters. so who will be those deaths? sayid? desmond? locke? that would totally such.
That is bad news if true that Jack is excluded. I so hoped that he would be killed off. How do you know about who was excluded? Is this from the writers?
The thing is, they envision only another season I believe, I think the idea train has left the station, and they’ll clean up situations next season before ending it. I think Sawyer is gone soon, they’ve played around with killing him, and now that his character is “complete” (he killed his nemesis), then I think there isn’t anything left to tell. Kate is almost in the same boat, not much left to tell about her, and her cameos are getting few and far between. I believe the only thing we don’t know about her is how she ended up in Australia, correct me if I’m wrong on that. I think she’ll make it to the next season, but not far into it. Jack I think will make it all the way, but Charlie, Sawyer, Sayid, Kate and Jin will be killed off before it’s over.
Ya niznayu!
Now they are announcing that Lost will have three more seasons with 16 episodes each, starting each January. The series finale will not air until 2010!
This is the nail in the coffin for me folks. Talk about screwing over your fans!
I don’t belive that for a second.
Holy schnikees! It’s all true! I think it’s a bit premature to think the show won’t get cancelled before then.
with only 16 epis per season, who gives a crap? i’m with h-queen, I’m probably out after this season.
shows on HBO and F/X can get by small seasons largely b/c they’re high quality and have loyal viewers (LOST is halfway there). plus the format works for pay TV or small cable, but on a major network? maybe it will.
The Sopranos is pulls in around 7.5m viewers, down from 9.5m in season 6. meanwhile, shows like F/X’s The Shield pull 2 – 2.5m. that’s low. and while some of that is the shows themselves aren’t for everyone and the channels are ubiquitous, making audiences wait 7-10 months for a ’season’ can’t be a real formula for success.
And The Shield is a damn good piece of television programming.
I hate to be a finger wagger, but… I’m a tad disapointed in most of you.
First of all, everybody was apparently on the rag (sorry ladies, just a metaphor- please hold off on the flaming retorts) this last week. I’ve never seen so many crabby (at other members) posts before in my life. Let’s take a moment to breathe deeply & remember that one of the big reasons we keep coming here is because we enjoy the company (at least I thought so).
Second, and this for Tyler primarily: Part of running a site like this is being a moderator. If it’s getting to the point where you can’t even watch the episodes, you might want to appoint a moderator or two who can help keep the peace around here when things get a little twisted (before anybody flies off the handle, no I don’t want to be a moderator- this isn’t meant to be self serving at all).
Thirdly: I am a bit stunned by all of your lack of reaction to the obnoxious fan boy contingient that has been showing up lately. Poor JT got raked over the coals before anybody came to accept him; yet this month the Fuselage rejects are running free all over the place.
Well, that’s it. I suppose with a couple of passable episodes the fire has gone out of everyone’s belly. Personally, I still think the show sucks & it’s going to take more than 4 decent episodes per season to make me think otherwise.
Screw you! Who are you, the lost sucks police?
Totally agree, this was more of a “how great this last shitty episode” was board and not the usual banter that brought me here.
If you like the show, great, read this board and post elswhere (dharmasecrets, etc). There is no defense for a great show that just let it all slip away. I at first thought this show (before watching it) could never last, and I wish I had never gotten sucked in to this crap.
What 4 episodes are you referring to? I’m still waiting for 1 good one this year! Maybe the next couple will redeem the series, but I doubt I’ll be back next year. Though I’ll make sure I come back to this site.
OOps, looks like my bracketed “sarcasm on” and “sarcasm off” tags were deleted. Insert before and after first statement. Sorry.
Don’t worry, no need for sarcasm brackets.
I agree. I was mad bitchy last week, so I have really no excuse aside from that fact that I’m way too high-strung.
I just didn’t say anything to the insane fans last week because I got tired of cutting and pasting the same message to them about how it’s, you know, nice to be rational and calm and logical about how you post here. I can’t count a single time when a fanboy has *ever* replied to one of my “please calm the hell down” posts in a positive manner, so I just gave up on it altogether.
As far as the posts generally went yesterday: in my view, if most viewers think a certain episode was good, then I honestly think it’s cool for them to say so here, as long as they say it in a mature way. But the constant back-and-forth “this is why the episode did NOT suck! and here is why it DID suck!” crap, yes, is annoying, and I’m kind of guilty of it myself, but you guys know how I operate here. I think that’s actually kind of my role here.
I’m gonna hold to my belief that there’s been a ton of nitpicking over last week’s episode. If that means that some of our site visitors can’t honestly think of serious beefs with the episode, then I think they shouldn’t resort to picking out trivial and minor details and acting like they’re showbreakers. That’s not to knock Nico, Tyler, or anyone else who had legitimate beefs with the episode. But shit like “Wow, John sure didn’t have a problem lifting his dad’s body?” Those, in my view, are nitpicks, and have no place on this board. I see this board as a sounding board for people with SERIOUS issues with plot structure, characterization, ad nauseaum.
In any event, I’ll respect Nico’s opinion that four episodes does not make a good season. I disagree with it, but I respect it.
One last thing: someone posted above that Lost is going to have three more seasons. According to everything I’m reading, that’s untrue: it’s going to be two more seasons after this one ends, in a continuous format like 24. And to be fair, think about it this way: the writers for Lost had *no idea* when their show was going to end. In my unyielding forgiveness to the writers, I’ve gotta say that not knowing an end date for a series has got to make plotting it tremendously tough.
And I just checked CNN and the three-season thing is true — holy shit.
Yep, stunning bit of overconfidence if you ask me. Plus, by 2010 they’ll have to Botox Kate, Claire & every other cast member to fool us into thinking only a year or whatever has passed on the island. Then they can all look like Juliet- unable to change facial expressions without pieces parts cracking & falling off.
Ha! That botox comment was funny and true. Nice one! I cannot really believe that I will have to suffer through 3 more seasons just to find out that the island is in wormhole or something. Now I REALLY feel like cursing, but I can’t cause of my earlier posts.
No F ing way am I sitting through 48 more episodes to find out what’s what. They could wrap it in 2 seasons (24 ep per season is normal) but they’re going to drag it out another YEAR! Good to know that it’s ending at a point, but Christ almighty, I can’t take much more. Maybe now that they have an end date they might be more forthcoming in releasing the “secrets” of the island, but that still sucks. I stick with my earlier statement, I’m gone after this one. They’ve just put me over the edge with this. I’ll watch the rest of this season, and unless something drastic happens (what we get promised after every episode but never happens) I won’t be tuning in for season 4.
It might be good to have 3 more years with fewer episodes a piece. The writers can take more time to produce quality instead of slapped together quantity.
The only reason they are doing this is for money. This way they can release 3 more box sets of seasons for suckers to buy. It’s all about the mighty $$ and they’re going to bleed this one dry. There is no quality shows coming up, they’ll be all crap, and we’ll be dumb enough to watch.
Dudes, I’ve said this before — I think it’s kinda silly to fault ABC, a television network that seriously IS concerned only with making money, for thinking of ways to make money. Television networks aren’t inherently noble, nor are they charities. I mean, if the Red Cross or some charity outreach group was broadcasting the show and decided to milk people out of extra cash via DVD sets and extended seasons, then I think it’d be justified to call them out. But television execs are money-hungry, and that’s just the way it is.
I agree with you JT, it IS about making $ & that’s just the way it is. It’s just too bad that for once the result was a show that stood above the crowd. It would have been nice to see a network take the high road for once. I mean, they have shorter series in England (among other countries) & they still make plenty of $. I still blame the writers more than the execs for the shows decline though. I mean, they could have easily made at least 3 good seasons I would hope.
JT, you made the same point I had wanted, yet without the rude, snarky, and superior overtones that are the hallmark of a Gallic culture warrior like yours truly. Yet, most people, particularly Nico and Sketic, know better than to take my shtick seriously. I just find the constant nitpicking trivial and utterly boring. Thank you!
Just curious what everyone is thinking about who will be the “5 characters” killed off by season’s end (or if everyone even believes it). Assuming that “killed off” actually means dead in some sense and not coming back, my guess
1. Charlie
2. Dr. Botox
3. Sun
4. Tom (”Other”)
5. Desmond
I personally wish it were Jack, Kate, Hurley, Hurley, and Hurley (must kill 3 times due to massive size)
Anybody else care to take a shot?
I’m in like Flynn.
1. Kate (she’s dying. I’m telling you.)
2. Sayid
3. Ben
4. Possibly Tom
5. Desmond (which is unfortunate — I like his character).
Note the absence of Charlie. I still think this whole thing is a huge misdirect.
My only prediction: Jack. His character was supposed to die immediately & Matthew Fox has supposedly wanted out. I don’t care what the creators say, it’s gonna’ be Jack- take it to the bank.
I wish.
I had a feeling Charlie and Kate would be killed off because the actors are getting married this summer and seem to want to move on to “bigger” things. The buzz is Sayid will be one of the dead. I hope not.
Sayid seems likely, but in his current immasculated state I won’t really miss him. The season 1 (& to a lesser degree season 2) Sayid was cool, but he’s useless now (unless you want him to try & fail to fix a radio or calculator or something). I’m sure Charlie will finally buy it, but that’s no big surprise. I can’t imagine them writing out Kate- who will be the island whore without her? Rose? I still say they might have a surprise up their sleeves where Jack is concerned. I tell ya’ what though: having to kill off characters to keep viewer interest up is a bad sign for the show. It’s starting to turn into Dallas or St. Elsewhere or something; where they ended every season with somebody getting killed just to give people a reason to watch. I just can’t imagine this show making it another 3 seasons with the way the ratings have fallen off.
I think the writers will check the forums to see who the fans want to die the most and do exactly as the viewers wish to make sure they actually keep watching. Then they will write the episodes around whatever characters are chosen.
you say that like you don’t think it’ll actually happen that way…
I’ve said it before and say it again (in this order):
1. Sawyer
2. Charlie
3. Sayid
4. Kate
5. Jin
I think patchy is getting revenge for the kung fu Jin layed on him, Sawyer’s time was up last season and with the passing of his nemesis AC, there’s no reason for him to be around still. Charlie should have been dead several times over already. Sayid has been useless since he won’t torture anyone anymore, Kate, well, she’s a thug who should be dead. I think Hurley will ride it out, only because he’s kind of a side character who comes in for comic relief. Claire can’t die or what will happen to little Aaron? Locke might be a consideration also, if I were to switch a person I’d say Locke instead of Kate, but she should be gone early in season 4. I hope in the end they have the balls to just have Hurley there alone, having eaten everyone and everything, in his fading moment, get rescued.
I think everyone here is somewhat incorrect on the death pool.
05/02 – Jack is not dying. And remember, I said there will be at least five deaths this month — four after ["The Brig"]. Source: Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide.
Enough said. Cooper IS DEAD! I know there has been a lot of crying over Mikhail coming back from the dead but that is still only person. Blood and foam does not equal death. Dominic Monaghan still has no contract for next season, so he would have to head any death pool list right now. Also, highly doubtful they are going to want to kill off a lead female like Kate.
All bow to Ausellio, I’m sure DL & CC call him on a daily basis with updates & would NEVER lie to him… Yeah, Jack is probably just wishful thinking but a boy can dream…
Can’t help but notice the uber-fan still hanging around a site calle whylostsucks. Seems a bit odd to me, but hey- to each their own. Now that we’ve had the weekend to cool our heads do you think we can play nice?
I guess that’s an olive branch of sorts. I’ll try going forward so long as you avoid the insults. Also, I wasn’t just referring to Jack, although he clearly isn’t going anywhere. Rather, there should only be four more deaths starting with Man Behind the Curtain. Team Darlton haven’t thrown too many curve-balls when they claim something is going to happen.
I know, why don’t you ask Ausiello if anyone gives a flying rat fuck about this show anymore? No? Didn’t think so. You should be shot for “team Darlton” alone. Tuck your tail and go back to the fan sites. How big a fan are you going to be next year when they decide not to go 6 seasons and do end it in season 5 (or earlier) because only half the people stuck around to deal with this crap?
For what it’s worth, I was sort of disappointed with the announcement that the show is going to be on until 2010. I was hoping it would be done by season 4, with all the major questions left being answered. Bad news.
Ug- never mind. You’re just proof that a few of the early posters here were right. Eventually the Lost fans (who come here even though they LOVE the show so much) would infect this place like a fucking cancerous growth. Since nobody seems to care if this place is a pleasant community to visit or not I think I’ll go antagonize people at the Fuselage or the EW boards just to make myself feel like a big man (seems to work for you right Marc?). I should thank you for curing me of the need to watch this horse shit show every week though- THANKS DOUCHEBAG!!!
A pleasant community? What kind of hypocrite are you? You were the one who started with the grammar school insults. I apologize for not being one of your little lap dogs that licks up the garbage you post regularly. As far as you going to Fuselage or EW, be my guest, I have no stake in either. Wishful thinking perhaps, but don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Marc, I’m going to have to back-up Nico as you snidely insinuated that a large-mouthed female she underpants-gnome would, despite her Lilliputian stature, be unable to perform oral sex on my person, presumably, as your false assertion goes, because my member is too small. That was spiteful, and uncalled for, and I don’t know what I did to deserve your wrath of written mockery.
My apologies it was Matt not Marc who made the insinuation that I have a sausage on the smallish side because even a large-mouthed she-gnome would be unable to find it when looking to give me oral pleasure. Yet, I must back up Nico, despite the fact that he’s still nuttin’ widout dat badge & gun…
My head was spinning the first time I read that because I had no clue what you were talking about. Matt, Marc, Mike, who keeps track anyway?
If anyone didn’t catch it on Yahoo today, it seems that Lost has finally set an ‘end date’. Yup, ABC has given them 3 more seasons to end this show, 16 episodes per season. The writers are “excited” because they have a reference point for an end, so they know how to reveal answers. I’m confident they could have done it in one more season, but we all know money talks, hence the three more brutal seasons they will subject us to
Big topic of discussion today as you can see. Money does talk, but bullshit does walk. Unless they see a resurgence in ratings next season (as opposed to this years free fall) I would suspect you’ll see some press release about how “they’ve decided to wrap things up in two seasons for the sake of their viewers”. If the ratings go up, expect either 5 more seasons or a spin off starring Hurley & Cheech.
I hope you’re right (on both aspects, ratings go down so only two seasons, and also the cheech and hurley show, now that could be promising)… if theres one thing i’ve definately figured out about lost, its writers, and publicists, is that they know how to bullshit their fanbase very well. they make promises like this, but never deliver. The promise this time being that since they have a point of reference to end, the answers will start coming, and that the end of this season will hook everyone back on.
after 2.5 years of shit, the real question is do we still believe them?
Wow. You guys say Lost sucks, but you continue to watch it. You say the producers and writers are idiots and you hope they lose their jobs, but you continue to watch their TV show, thus letting them keep their job.
Just know that if you stop watching, you will miss out on one of the greatest TV shows to ever exist. Oh well, you guys always have MTV where you don’t have to think.
Great episode last week.
whew…I almost didn’t read your post and thus nearly missed out on one of the greatest posts ever!!!
Unless you’re a Nielsen family, it really doesn’t matter whether you watch or not. They extrapolate all that data from their survey. You can bitch all you want and watch, and they wouldn’t know the difference.
Of course, if some Nielsen family in Kentucky gets pissed off about Eko, he’s suddenly getting killed by a black cloud.
That just about sums up the irony in a nutshell. Essentially what you have in here are diehard fans disguised as haters. Hypocrisy is the rule here and that’s ok
No, not a diehard fan; a former diehard fan trying to find a reason to keep watching. I say I won’t watch next season, but even my wife says I will. And, in January, I’ll tie the rubber band on my arm, start tapping the veins, and sure enough, I’ll shoot up again with that first episode, get that rush again, and the next thing you know 16 more hours of my life are gone, and all the while I’ll be here reading and posting how much it sucks.
Once a diehard, always a diehard. The statute of limitations never runs out.
wow guys & a girl,
where’s the love?
is everybody taking turns on the rag every week?
Can’t we all just agree the Lost sucks?
Does the magnitude of the suckage matter really?
FINALLY SOME UNITY!
LOST SUCKS.
Don’t make me bust into GREAAAAAAAAAAAT DAAAAAAAAAAY.
Thank you Evil for some levity.
Whyheroesblows.com
whynot?com
Ok, let’s not drag Heroes down, yet. They are on pace to kick Lost’s ass in storytelling, keeping their audience, and most importantly, not SUCKING.
To all the Lost drones out there who insist on posting the same “if you hate it so much, why do you watch it?” posts, I equate it to heroin, you never get that huge high again, but you keep doing it in the hopes you get that feeling again. Maybe I stole that from somewhere, but it’s true. The first couple of episodes, hell the first year were heroin, I couldn’t get enough. Now, I keep shooting up hoping to get that feeling again but it never happens. And the peer pressure is outrageous, “next week, you can’t miss this episode!” as I tie the rubber band around my arm and start tapping my veins. If I have to go 6 seasons, I’ll be shooting up between my toes.
Point is Lost *was* good, even great, but now it’s just struggling to keep the audience that has stupidly stuck with it. I believe that there are probably more than the 11 million people still watching (Nielsen is a representative sample and as a former Nielsen viewer and a hater of statistics, it’s not wholly accurate), but then again I think that probably as many as 25 million watched until the show screwed itself up. If you want to know how Lost should have done it, look at Heroes, they took all of Lost’s failures and have made what I think is the best serialized ensemble show. Yes, it’s hokie, but it’s good story lines, and they listen to the grumblings of the fans and have catered somewhat to them to keep them. Heroes will keep their audience because they don’t do crap like Lost does with having a character be with the enemy for a week (Locke) yet not find a thing out about them.
If you like the show, great, don’t post here. Read the points, all valid, of how this show really does suck. It had so much promise, the hidden clues, the mystery, etc, but now it’s just a joke and I can’t wait until they kill of a lead character so all you fans can go cry on the fan boards (of which this isn’t one so don’t even). Nobody’s got a DUI recently so it could be anyone dying now.
I hear ty pennington is going to die on extreme makeover home edition.
“If you like the show, great, don’t post here.”
So…why? So this could turn into nothing but a Lost flamefest, with people bashing the show day after day? I think the fact that a few fans *do* post here (the respectful ones) is actually helping some of the WhyLostSucks regulars see that the show doesn’t really suck as many testicles as some say it does (except for my pal Nico, who has lost all hope, methinks).
And differencex of opinion are good. I think that if this site were filled with nothing but people who want to bust out a magnifying glass and rip every single plot element, line of dialogue, and steely Jack stare to shreds, then this site wouldn’t be as popular or valuable as it is clearly becoming. One of the reasons I come here is for debate purposes — if there weren’t a few fans posting here, then there would be no debate. It would just be slam after slam after slam against the show. And that sounds boring as fuck to me, no offense to anyone who enjoys doing that.
Like I said: differences of opinion are good. Ostracizing otherwise-respectful people who happen to disagree doesn’t seem right to me.
I like the show. I will still be posting here. Is that cool?
I like the show too, unfortunately, what I meant was if you want to gush about how great everything is, go to dharmasecrets or the tailsection and gush there. A quick note that the episode was good is ok but when someone quotes off Ausiello (Team Darlton) that’s more than I can stomache.
I’ve been a huge fan since the pilot episode, and even bought season 1 on DVD so I could slow-mo through the episodes. Then the show went downhill and I finally came here (I’d known about it for sometime) and enjoyed the banter.
I think Rush calls them seminar callers, ie liberals who call his show saying their big fans but….and then start ranting about liberal talking points. If you like the show and want to be a “seminar poster” fine, go to the “fan” sites. If you want to post something good, that’s ok, just remember this is a site dedicated to how much the show sucks.
JT, you and NIco keep me entertained and with some others have kept me chuckling about Lost for a couple of weeks now. If an episode is good, I’ll be the first to post that I was wrong about the direction, but don’t expect me to quote Ausiello.
I had two reasons for bringing up Ausiello. He seems to know his shit as far as what will come next, and second, people were making death pools based on HIS INFORMATION except for the fact that one of the five deaths already occurred with Cooper, and for the umpteenth million time, he isn’t coming back. Since you took issue with the term “Darlton”, I’ll just refer to them as the two assholes going forward. Hope that helps your stomach.
You need to read my material more carefully because if you construe it to be gushing then you aren’t paying attention. My mantra has always been tell me why Lost sucks, but don’t give me knit-picky, idiotic reasons why it does. The complaints of late simply lack logic, reason or bite, i.e. Naomi is a bad actor, Jack cries too much, Locke is a coward, too much soap-opera, Sayid is Mr. Fixit, wah wah wah. I have also maintained that the reason for this is that as the episodes improve, it will get harder to rip the show in an original or legit way. I don’t exactly see how that makes me a fanboy, but whatever, unlike some I allow people to have opinions without personal attacks. I don’t plan on going anywhere else so get used to it. And for 3 more seasons no less. Now if you want to rant about something that really sucks, there ya go. Why can’t 48 episodes be done in two season as opposed to three. I already know the answer but it still sucks.
Heroes is a repugnant program. It is vile. Time-travel, new powers, new characters, it is like ‘Lost’ for tweekers.
Now there’s a prophetic child! Hopefully her name isn’t Neo, they can only steal from so many sources. I almost fell asleep with that last episode-they had a whole scene dedicated to a routine IV drip! I am getting Lost in all the BS. Why can’t Hiro go back in time and samurai sword lil’ Sylar from Queens?
Now what does this have to do with Lost? They are both victims of their sponsor networks waiting to buy the final episodes in the pilot season, and thus, being forced to come up with a storyline for a full season. Heroes is following right in Losts’s foosteps, they even have the 6 degrees things that JJ gets off on!
Whyheroesneedsto get lost.com No?
It is more like meth rather than heroin, as after the pleasures and excitement of the first season, your TV pleasure receptors are altered and ruined so that you can never truly enjoy TV again. Lost teaches you why movies are 2 hours long and not 100+.
Cmon, Laurent. Haven’t you seen Back to the Future? Hiro going back in time to kill baby Sylar would fuck up all sorts of space-time continuum shit and cause the universe to implode, etc. etc. This time-travel stuff is very complicated, and though I have a complete understanding of it, I don’t think I have enough space to post it here.
Unrelated, but don’t you live in France? Are the peeps still rioting about whatshisface getting elected?
EVERYONE READY FOR TOMORROW?
I’ve heard there are some HUGE game changers in this next episode, some shockers that will knock you on your ass.
Rumor has it, they are going to reveal the true name of God on TV. And they might also tell you where those lost socks go.
I’d be willing to put money on the fact that they’ll ask all the questions we want answered in tomorrows episode, but the whole episode will be one big question leading up to the end. Then the episode will end. Then we’ll be encouraged to tune in next weekend, and they’ll keep doing that till the season finale, just leave us hanging. Mark my words, you won’t get anything out of the next few episodes
Anyone notice how Jack has tourette’s or something? In everything I’ve seen him in, he twitches and jerks the whole time he’s on camera. There’s an old episode of Wings he was on, and it’s really noticeable (while visiting my mom -who doesn’t have cable-I was watching it and she even asked what was wrong with him). He’ll be still momentarily for the stare, but as soon as he starts talking he’s bobbing and weaving. Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t the only one bothered by the bob and weave of Jack. You’re welcome.
One more thing…
Well, it finally happened- this site has been taken over by the boorish fans of Lost. Since it is obvious that the # of posts is more important to Tyler than the idea of keeping this from becoming another fan site (ah, advertising $, something this site has in common with ABC apparently); I will be watching Mythbusters tonight at 9pm CST. I would recommend that you all do the same, otherwise you’re just proving ass-hats like Marc right. Almost 300 hits this week & still a person like him isn’t banned for being a deliberate annoyance (”I’m not going anywhere… blah, blah”). I just don’t get it…
Laurent, I might not be anything “without my badge & gun” (gotta’ love that Steven Seagal) but at least I’m not afraid to speak my mind.
Dude, Nico — I know you probably won’t like me saying this — but you have to watch tonight’s episode. I’m not in fanboy mode or anything. I’m really not. But a nearly-full spoiler of tonight’s eppy is up on DarkUFO’s Lost spoilers site, and this episode is apparently huge. I didn’t read the spoilers — just comments from people who did — and tonight is going to be a gigantic ep in terms of the episode’s mythology.
So what I’m saying is this episode will either give you a little faith that the show might be improving, or it’ll totally confirm your hate. Either one will happen, but dude, come on. Muster up that Italian strength of yours. You can do it!
It’s called freedom of speech, deal with it. Perhaps you come from some third-world dictatorship where that doesn’t apply. I know it must suck not having someone stroke your ego over your stupid posts. I am not harming anyone, just merely stating my opinion, just in a different direction than you chose to. I can’t speak for Tyler, but I cannot imagine this site would be quite as much fun if everyone just had the same viewpoint. Others have disagreed me to this point and that’s cool. The only difference is you chose to be a dick, so don’t go crying about it after the fact. One more thing….jag-off will be watching Lost tonight just like everyone else. Why? Because he can’t go that long without bitching about some meaningless minutia.
Marc=Bag
I have to agree. I hate forums where everything gets deleted. Different viewpoints are great and that’s what makes things interesting. I don’t think i need protection from people who actually still like lost. I used to like lost. Sometimes i still do. I just don’t think writers should be rewarded for shitty efforts. If everyone is okay with garbage, we’ll still get garbage. Let’s give em something to live up to! Keep on watching and keep on criticizing! I don’t care if we never agree again.
You don’t get it Marc, I’m basically agreeing with you. From the fact that hardly anybody’s arguing with you even though you’re calling them out in the most disrespectful way possible (calling them hypocrites) prove to me you’re right. I look over & see a banner advertising Lost merchandise & call me crazy, but I think you’ve got most of these folks pegged. I never came here to make friends, in fact if you look at my posts since I started coming here there are A LOT of people who have slammed me in one way or another (BigJim comes to mind among several others). I could care less about that, but none of them (except you) tried to be deliberately antagonize people & then had the balls to stick around. Here is the first post of yours I ever saw:
“Of course you didn’t watch the show last night. That’s very convenient. When the episodes kick ass much like the one last night, the Lost haters suddenly lose their thunder. Maybe you should have subcontracted Nico to write the opening slam this week. ”
Not only did you rip this site in general, but you called me out by name. Then you had the nerve to accuse me of starting the little flame war. I used to mod for lots of web sites a few years back & the only people I ever banned were ones who were intentionally baiting people just to amuse themselves. It’s got nothing to do with your opinions (you don’t see me fighting with JT & he’s probably your biggest potential ally around here) it’s just the annoying way you’ve chosen to express yourself. People like you are the death knell for sites like this & I’m sure that suits you just fine.
I agree with Nico too. There’s nothing cool about being a master at chronic baiting, but we also can’t have everything exactly the way we want it as long as other people exist in this world.
I agree with all of you dudes, to an extent.
Nico, man, the site hasn’t been taken over by anybody — it appears that you just have an issue with Marc that you have to work out. Shit, if you go all the way back to my first post on this site, you’ll see that it was very similar to some of Marc’s. That certainly doesn’t mean it’s right to pick fights or flame-bait anyone. [takes deep breath] I mean, it’s just a television show. Sure, I’ll get defensive about it from time to time, but at the end of the day, it’s just a bunch of flashing images transmitted from a (magic?) box.
Anyway, dude, it’s all good. The site seems essentially the same to me, save that you seem to be having a bad week, I guess. Stick around. You’ll be missed if you don’t.
And Marc, dude, I agree with many of your points, but you seem to think that most of the posters here sit around twirling their evil mustaches and organizing letter-writing campaigns to get the show taken off the air. They don’t. If you’re looking to slam people who seem to deliberately hate the show for no reason whatsoever, then I highly suggest you go to Television Without Pity’s Lost forum and check out the Bitterness Fiesta. Those people make no fucking sense whatsoever, and they’re so self-congratulatory and pompous that it literally makes me want to spew vomit all over my keyboard.
That is all, my friendly bitches.
hey…everyone’s a master baiter sometimes.
i remember my girlfriend tried to ban me from baiting masterly for just a few days…couldn’t do it.
You got it all wrong. This is a great site; I wouldn’t waste my time if it weren’t. Thanks for quoting me, but it wasn’t my first. The hypocrite tag wasn’t meant to be an insult. It merely described a reality. If I believe a show to truly suck, I don’t watch it, end of story. Sure, I mentioned you by name, but it seemed harmless enough. It was simply to illustrate a point. You can be counted on to pile on predictable criticism even when the product has improved (no, the bar hasn’t been set that low). Once I got a reaction, it was amusing to continue to hook you so easily. However, I don’t get off on baiting in general, just in your case. We can continue this or have peace, I’ll let you decide. I’m sure the site will be fine; death knell is a ridiculous statement. JT sounds like a good man, but I don’t need allies, neither does he.
Nice post, dude. You can safely ignore the dreck I posted above about you thinking that the posters here twirl mustaches and all that, ’cause you clearly know what the site’s all about.
Everything seems cool here to me, seriously. I mean, we’re fostering debate, at the very least — it doesn’t strike me as a really nasty atmosphere here.
Plus, Nico, remember when I was at David’s throat during my first few weeks here? Now we’re kinda buddies, almost! Sorta. I think.
I just can’t get past Nico calling Marc a master baiter.
Hah.
Yes, I’m shamelessly trying to get the posts up to 350. I like round numbers.
Right back at you JT
I didn’t mean anything more by that line and was only picking the one line I seem to remember from his films, oh yeah, and “that girl with the nipples you can dial a phone with.” Another Segal great.
Indeed, things do get misunderstood.
300th post awww yeah talk about substance.
Lord I hate the fact I’ve come to like you people so much; it’s not in my character.
Marc, let’s just agree to disagree on what constitutes a “valid” criticism of the show. I am sorry to have called you silly names & I suppose the fact that you didn’t run away with your tail between your legs makes you a worthy adversary at the least.
Tyler, sorry for getting aggravated with you as well. Sometimes I just miss our fearless leader, ya know?
As for the rest of you naughty boys & girls: keep the faith (or lack thereof in this case)! Check you all out tomorrow.
Does this mean you’ll be watching the episode?
More than likely, but I’ll hate myself in the morning. I’m starting to feel like I’m helping keep this pile on the air & they keep slapping me in the sack every week. It’s getting tiresome & making me cranky. I think tonight we’re going to find out that Ben is actually the Ben from “Ben & Jerry’s” ice cream… The island is actually a test facility for their new mango/cuttlefish ice cream.
I know I am new, but I think I definitely enjoy this blog more than the show itself! Screw the fan sites. I log on here multiple times a day to see everybody’s rants and add my own. I thank you all (except Laurent) for making this show so enjoyable to hate. This is what keeps me watching.
Ha! Poor Laurent, the French are always SO misunderstood.
I personally think Laurent’s pretty damn clever.
This post was for all zero of you who were wondering what JT stood for. Mystery solved! Yessss!
Please Nico, don’t give me pitty, for I am most amused that the poster with the tired novelty of posting with a clone sobriquet was able to express its distaste for me while using the charm of smarm by paying thanks to all the others. I took a course some time ago, while in mild pursuit of a clinical education of some sort, and this type of sycophantic ingratiation of the collective body whilst simultaneously minimalizing a supposed member not in company is often used by those inflicted by an inferiority complex, normally fringe teens, to increase social standing. Imagine if say Juliet said, “desmond smells”, to get some laughs and to get in with the group, but desmond doesn’t care, because he’s out on his own with his own issues anyway and finds it all so meaningless…
No pity here, just a good chuckle.
JT,
I have a question for you. Seeing is how you are the resident fan of the show.
What episode of this season, would you recommend for someone who has abandoned Lost? or someone who has never watched the show?
I realize that being a serial this is hard to do, but give me your best recommendation.
or if you want you can say a future episode (from your spoiler reading) you think one should try.
Thanks.
Are we talking just this season, or any season?
If we’re talking any season, I’d roll with Walkabout from season one, or even the premiere episode. Maybe even Numbers, seeing as how I’m a Hugo fan, or Solitary, which had some pretty cool sequences. I’d also recommend staying the hell away from any episode involving the infamous Kate.
This season’d be tough — maybe Catch-22 or either of the Locke episodes. Those aren’t really self-contained, though — besides, the pilot episode was the one that hooked me. You agree?
Yeah the pilot episode was great, actually all of season one was good with the exception of the cliff hanger ending.
But, I want you to restrict yourself to this season.
I realize finding a self contained one is nearly impossible.
So, just give me the one that best gave you the good feelings you had back in season one (or came close).
Oy. Tough one. Definitely not tonight’s ep — from what I’ve heard, it’s far too self-contained. “Not From Portland” was a pretty twisty ep that might be good for new viewers, as it’s seen from a different character’s perspective.
The Brig and The Man from Tallahassee were both quite good, in my opinion, and harkened back to season one IMHO. I’m *also* a fan of the Hurley episode with the van that pretty much everybody aside from me despised, mainly because it was a little lighter than the standard dramatic fare.
To echo Mark, Enter 77 was quite good too, actually. I’d probably rock with that one.
That’s hard to say because even if you skip out on the lame episodes, you won’t enjoy the good ones quite as much because you will have missed things. For someone who never saw the show, go get the DVD set. If this current season made you bail, start with the three episodes beginning with ENTER 77.
Whoa.
On second thought, I have a feeling there’s gonna be a lot of bitterness about this episode. I’ll wait for Tyler’s blog entry to post my thoughts.
This episode sucked. I am not watching now that……
He’s fine. Don’t worry.
I sure hope you’re right…
And let me just cut off one complaint now: there WAS a dude sitting in the chair. You see him for a split second.
I did not see that. I will look online.
I’ve got your back, Meister:
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Replace the dots with periods, obviously.
Wow, that was awesome. Thanks man.
And what of the elephant in the room?
I suppose that this situation means Lost has reached the limits of suck tolerance, and T’s threshold has been broken. The ante was raised but down came the fold.
If someone has his address perhaps they should pay a visit, and, I caution, should not be surprised to see a corpse with its foot through the Wega and its hair standing on end.
I actually liked the episode although I believe T and others were fretting the eventual backstory of Benny. Locke kicked ass, Sayid is regrowing a spine, Jack looks pathetic, and we learned that Roger the workman was not driving a vw bus drunk.