Where’s the magic turtle when we need him?
Here are my weekly musings on the latest episode. Thank God there is only one left.
At the beginning, how about Jack just tells them they have dynamite. It is really necessary to blow up an innocent tree and waste a bunch of explosives? I mean, would everyone not have understood the plan without blowing up the tree? It seems relatively straightforward without the visual aid.
Flashbacks of flashbacks. Why did we need to see that idiot Carl push the boat out 2x in the same episode? Filler, plain and simple.
Charlie has a threesome with 2 groupies and it doesn’t make the top 5 list? Come on, that has to top getting a ring from his bro! Speaking of the ring, nice tie in with Lord of the Rings hobbit boy.
Didn’t anyone on the island see the Mythbusters episode that proves your can’t set off an explosion by shooting the explosive? Maybe they could just back up the VW to the tents then shoot the gas tank while they are at it.
Sorry to get technical again, but a radio signal can’t “jam” a satellite phone signal. Please.
Why didn’t Charlie just ask Des if he could make the swim down to the station, rather than cracking him over the head with a paddle? That seems a bit extreme to me. And further on that subject, isn’t easier to swim if you aren’t wearing jeans?
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This episode demonstrated pretty starkly that the flashbacks are meaningless and only get in the way of the main story. Yeah, we all know this is the Hobbit’s farewell episode. But they spent so much time on his “Top Five Moments of My Sodding Pathetic Life” that all of the other scenes were awkwardly rushed through. They were speaking so fast, I’m not even clear what the plan was exactly. Something about three shooters on a grassy knoll? Are they planning to reenact the Kennedy assassination? And everyone else retreats to the radio signal or whatever.
I haven’t known that many English people — but none of them use the word “sodding” as much as the Hobbit. Do Englanders really say it that often? I hope not.
And yeah, it was funny that the Hobbit’s threesome didn’t make his all time list. They should have waited to air that part of the flashback until the scene at the end when he was confronted by the two babes in the underwater station. Now that would have been clever foreshadowing.
The high point of the show was the reappearance of Bernard and Rose. It was nice to see them for their approximately 90 seconds of screen time. And yeah, I guess Mr. Bug Eyes is not Alex’s dad (or is he?). At least they threw out the question for us to ponder for another 9 months. I can hardly wait for next week when “EVERYTHING WILL CHANGE”.
Just a quick note, the list was for Claire. I hardly think the 3-some would be something he’d tell her about.
Mrs. Meister
Oh yeah, I forgot you have to lie to women. I guess that means censoring your dying thoughts too. Make that a Top 6 list instead…..
But I’d still put it on the list for Claire. She’s an open minded girl, dating a junkie and all. And if you survived your death mission after all, you could just either pretend it was a joke (if she didn’t dig the idea) or if she was turned on, ask her to re-enact the 3-some and regain some of that pre-baby sexual confidence.
BAHAHAHAHA.
I didn’t say he needed to lie to Claire, but a dying note of your best memories would hardly be the means to tell her. That would be more something to confess in an intimate conversation. Besides, maybe it didn’t make his list because it wasn’t an isolated incident but rather a regular occurence in his rock style life.
Mrs. Meister
I guess I won’t be giving you my list.
Keester Meister
(Mr. Meister’s Gay Lover)
But who would be the third?
Kate? He was flirting with her (and her C’s) hot and heavy in season one. Or maybe the new parachute lady?
Geez let’s just hope that’s not why they brought Rose back in the show.
Well, okay, not lie, just censor. She might be really impressed that “meeting Claire” topped a life of rock-star threesomes.
Never thought of that… If I was being honest that would go on my top 5 as well. Of course, I wouldn’t have to lie since my finacee was there… heh, just kidding… sort of…
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO LIFE! IF YOU HATE THE SHOW SO MUCH THEN WHY WOULD YOU WASTE YOUR TIME WATCHING IT JUST SO YOU CAN COME ON THIS GAY-ASS WEBSITE AND WRITE ABOUT HOW MUCH THE SHOW SUCKS. WELL GUESS WHAT GENIOUS, LOST IS THE SECOND MOST WATCHED SHOW IN THE WHOLE FRIGGIN WORLD! DX
wow…he’s shouting. please lower the size of you letters when you type to me.
Who is this? Uncle Leo?
Post of the week – Classic.
“uncle Leo”
Nicely done
Not only is he Unlce Leo, but, I bet he has a pen that writes upside down! Oooo!
Point 1 – Just because LOST is popular doesnt mean it’s quality programming.
Point 2 – At this point, watching LOST is like watching Jerry Springr… sometimes the depravity of it all is just ridiculously amusing.
Point 3 – If we have no life because we come here and post, then you must not have much of one either… since, like us, you came here and you posted. Oh well.
i agree very much with this statement AND NO THEIR VOICE SHOULD NOT BE LOWERED THIS IS THE BEST SHOW EVER WTF IS THE POINT OF DEVOTING YOUR TImE TO A SHOW YOU HATE I mEAN SEROUSLY YOU ARE WORSE THAN mOST FANS. YOU PUT SO mUCH TImE AND EFFORT INTO A SHOW YOU HATE WHAT THE HELL oh and the threesome thing did not make the top 5 it was the fact that his brother gave him a priceless heirloom that means the world to their family. hell they named the damn band over it. PLUS Charlie ended up in the position that Leim was talking about himself getting into. both their lives turned out soooooo different. and it also sets up for when Charlie gives the ring to Aaron which was truly a touching moment cause the ring goes to the first born son and hello it’s Aaron i mean holy shit. so big. oh and another thing with the three some it also gives a time reference because if you remember Charlie gave a confession after having a threesome. and he never mentioned it in the list just the ring.
where have all these lunatics come from. I know I haven’t been posting that long, is this the norm? I was gone all day and am finally checking in and can’t believe what I’m reading. Some people really do need to get a life. BTW, “noneofyourconcern” and “black sparrow”… it’s time to take the blue pill.
Mrs. Meister
Funny, it always amuses me that the biggest “fans” of the show have somehow “accidentally” googled the term whyLostsucks…
oh this was no accident i just enjoy reading the stupid shit people post bout the best show ever. plus debating is fun. and actually my bf googled “lost sucks” and found it. (like all my friends hate this show without seeing the show) but doods (yes i know it’s spelled dude) serously eather learnt o love th show or get a life
How about I continue to be constantly dissapointed by the show & yet still somehow manage to have a life as well. I can never understand how according to the Lost fanboys you can’t do both.
Is there really a point in arguing with a 17 year old Lostie when the extent of their blather adds up to “OMG my bff Dakota told me she lurves lost and so do I! it is so 1337″
Oh Hell Yeah!-
Classic moron post LOL!
He’s probably the show’s producer!
That’s exactly how the show’s renewal pitch went to the network!
God stuff
-LB!
Tyler, I think this wasn’t a great episode, but they of course covered their asses with the “setup” spoiler. I agree with Mrs. Meister that the list was for Claire, so her parting thoughts of him would be good, not of envisioning him having a 3-some. Also, while shooting new dynamite might not work, shooting unstable, 100+ year old dynamite will definitely work. Don’t you remember the physics teacher blowing himself up after commenting that it’s very unstable and not to jar it around? I think a shot from a gun will definitely be enough to set it off. In Sayid’s defense, he thought the radio signal was jamming the cell phone, and I agree that anyone with communications background should know that can’t happen, but since he couldn’t get a signal out, he probably assumed that was the problem. Until Dr. Botox told them about the the looking glass and the jamming device.
I would also like to point out the spoiler site was pretty dead on about this episode, and very few details were left out. It didn’t ruin it for me though, because I really thought Desmond was going down until Charlie paddled him. But if you look in the previews for next week, Charlie is being beat up by the Looking Glass women, and Desmond comes to save him, I imagine Desmond knew this was going to happen, which is why he offered to take his place, ie he knew the station wasn’t flooded. Plus, we see Patchy in the preview apparently down there also, so obviously there’s another way in/out, I’m assuming Desmond will utilize this in his escape once he helps Charlie.
I hate to admit it, but this sappy episode was good at making me feel sorry for the Hobbit, and Claire leaving his ring in the crib (I guess she didn’t know he put it there) was kind of sad since I’m guessing he (Hobbit) saw Aaron as his “son”. I also agree the tree blowing up was a bit overkill, but let’s not forget the Ben/Dr. Botox discussion of “ok, let’s go over it again…” and then the replay of Karl paddling out. At least in this episode there wasn’t much staring.
Oh, and one more comm note, Dr. Botox said they were jamming all signals except theirs, and you jam a spectrum not specific signals, so I kind of have to take issue with that.
Preevyet,
Please filter what you say. Not all of us watch the spoilers. I didn’t know Desmond & Patchy show up in the looking glass.
Mrs. Meister
It was in the previews, not in the spoiler.
My apologies. In disgust over the episode, L turned the TV off before I was able to see the previews for next week. My bad.
Mrs. Meister
No problem, though having read the spoilers I won’t relate them since they may or may not be true, and since I can just say go read the spoilers. I will say again that the Greatist Hits episode spoiler was 100% correct. Only thing not revealed was the mugging victim the Hobbit saved was Nadia (credited in this episode-and other episodes as Nadia), Sayid’s love.
I didn’t realize that. Although, in the end, it probably doesn’t make any difference. Just another path crossing for no reason.
Mrs. Meister
I think it is the writer’s way of showing how everyone is related in some way. Or they’ve at least have a link somewhere in the past.
Don’t you hate it when he finishes early?
K. Meister
(Keester Meister)
Hmmm… who could this be I wonder?
see now this person is thinking i mean obviously lost has flaws but come on they have woven such an intricate web of questions and ideas that i doubt everything will be explained like what about the black and white stones or all the dolls and wreckage in the caves that mysteriously disappeared. but u must give credit that this episode was good and you also have to remember this is a sci-fi show not everything is going to be logical
I’ve lost my ability to think since this show has fried my brains. Talk about getting a life, what kind of loser comes on a site such as this and defends this piece of crap show? I used to think this was the best show ever, but then season two happened and that changed it all. Then season 3 happened and I knew for sure they writers/producers didn’t have a clue as to what happens. Now, since they have an end date, maybe they’ll go forward and make the show like it was. I doubt it, and when it returns next year to 8 or 9 million viewers (because even dedicated fans might forget in the nearly 9 month wait), they’ll be rethinking the 3 year plan. I am going to say that when the ratings drop to miniscule, they’ll rush through season 5 and end it. I highly doubt if the ratings drop like I know they will they will put this crap on another year.
The tree explosion had to be for some other reason than to demonstrate how dynamite works. lol To walk everyone out there, make poor Rousseau bring that extremely dangerous dynamite to the middle of the jungle, and to use precious wire to “show” how he was going to blow up the tents doesn’t make sense.
My guess is that he did it to warn Ben. I think he is obviously working with Ben now, maybe to keep everyone on the island. Jack didn’t want Sayid to get the phone working before the attack. I think this is another clue.
Ben rushes to Other’s camp and tells them to attack now. He must have heard Jack’s explosion.
Jack then tells Kate, “here we go again”. I think this is a clue that either he has seen what happens in a vision or he and Kate have returned to the island somehow to stop the rescue.
Now on to Desmond. Next week’s promo shows Desmond and Mikhail in the Looking Glass. Desmond probably knew Charlie was going to hit him with the oar. He also knew of his involvement to the mission, but why not tell Charlie the whole thing. Maybe they both die.
I thought it was interesting that Juliet knew about the Looking Glass but said it was abandoned. Was she lying? Or was Ben keep it a secret from the Others. Or is it manned by Penny’s Amazon Army? Interesting place, nonetheless.
I’ve always been a Charlie hater, but I got teary-eyed for the little guy a few times last night.
Interesting theory of Jack ‘notifying Ben with the explosion. But didn’t Karl arrive at the beach just after the explosion. It seems to me that not enough time passed for Ben to change the plans and Alex to find Karl and then Karl to make it to the island. If Karl could get there that quickly then why couldn’t the other others not make it there until night fall.
Mrs. Meister
Ben returning was 6 hours earlier (as so indicated by a on screen note), and assuming all other things were timed correctly, then the explosion happened much later than that, ie when Karl was paddling over is when it blew. Just after they blew up the tree, they were walking back when Karl showed up. I don’t think they were close enough to hear the explosion and that Jacob told Ben that Locke gave Sawyer the tape recorder, that’s why Ben shot him. Just my opinion, not a spoiler. Karl made it there earlier because he took a short cut, the water. The other group is going through the jungle and the idea was to surprise them at night anyway.
OMG, I sound like some uber fan. I must go now and cleanse.
ok, admittedly, your post is somewhat confusing me. Are you saying the explosion happened while Karl was in route and therefore impossible for the explosion to serve as a warning for Ben?
I disagree on why Ben shot Locke. I think Ben was simply jealous that Locke could hear him, Jacob. Ben is fearful of being replaced by Locke.
Mrs. Meister
Correct, 6 hours before Karl came on shore and was tackled by Sayid, Ben returned to the Other’s camp. Since they (the Losties) had just blown the tree not more than an hour before Karl got there (the Losties were returning from the demo and admittedly it could have been longer than an hour), the explosion was just a demo for the Losties. I don’t recall Jack saying here we go again, but I think he was referring to the last time they went after the Other’s and got captured.
I have to stop this. I deleted the episode of my PVR or I have a feeling the uber fan would be coming out tonight in slow mo recaps of the episode. Ugh. I wish Earl was still going, now I have nothing to take my mind off Lost tonight. Maybe I can watch my “Deadliest Catch” from Tuesday.
Yes, Ben had already ordered the attack take place immediately long befoe Jack’s demonstration. Probably several hours earlier at least. The “Jack is an Other” theory is an interesting one, but seems to be untrue.
L loves that show as well. I’ve seen it, but just a little much testosterone for me.
Mrs. Meister
I get sea sick watching it. Not much of an ocean goer I’m afraid… Now Man vs. Wild, there’s a testosterone laden show for ya’.
Well, they did have a female crew member this year, some Captain’s wife who got seasick the first day, but basically was there for feeding the crew. She did throw the hook once, and she sorted crab, and did bait, so it’s not like she didn’t help out.
Man vs. Wild, is that the one where they drop the dude in the middle of nowhere and he has to survive with next to nothing? I have seen that and liked it. I love the outdoors & camping, hiking etc, so that is very cool. The bug eating and dead rat eating has to go though. Couldn’t do that.
Mrs. Meister
That’s the one, he even took a bite off a zebra carcass one time- GROSS! That’s another one my fiancee loves because the host (Bear Grylls, former British SAS, etc) is *soooo dreamy*…
I’ll have to take your/her word for it, I only have eyes for LMeister.
Mrs. Meister
You can’t REALLY be that sweet!
Really. I’m nothing if not truthful.
Mr. Meister does love his testosterone!
Fresh from the cow.
K. Meister
(Keester Meister)
Much love for Rose & Bernard, wooohooo!!! Their “cameo” was the best part of this craptacular Hobbit-centric episode.
Charlie IS going to die in the next episode, so try not to be too disappointed all. In any case, the idea of a greatest hits was kind of clever given that Charlie is a musician & there was some pretty good acting all around. Even the scene with Hurley saying goodbye was kind of nice & understated for a change. My big problem with this episode is that after the story finally started moving forward at a clip; they kill the momentum with this liesurely paced, flashback heavy filler job. Should have been a smaller part of another episode or something…
I too wondered why Jack would put on that little demonstration with the dynamite. Doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense to telegraph your attack like that. I really doubt it proves Jack is working with the Others, but who knows. Quite frankly when he started talking about “blowing them to hell” or whatever I got a little excited *blush*.
As far as shooting dynamite & radio signals & the rest I have to side with JT on this one: Sounds a bit like nit picking to me. This stuff (while silly) is tried & true TV fodder, so what are ya’ gonna’ do?
On a personal note, my financee has a crush on Desmond. Every time he comes on screen she sighs that *he’s sooo dreamy* sigh. I guess now we’re even for the puddle of drool that accumulates on my chin everytime Alex appears on screen…
WOW!!
Honestly, I would dare to say that most people that post here at one time, if not currently, love the show. But, we see the decline, as implied by the title of the site.
I personally would like all you Lost defenders to be right, but in the end you will have to admit you were taken for a ride. If that is ok for you, fine, but for me this site offers a great place to vent and commiserate.
Mrs. Meister
somehow, this is in the wrong spot. I’m putting it back down where it belongs. Sorry.
Nit picking is all we have anymore Nico.
On your personal note, maybe you should learn the Desmond accent and start dropping “brothas” into casual conversation. It might help things out in those “special” times…
What makes you think I haven’t already tried that brotha?
Heh, heh… works like a charm!
“You are everybody, you are everybody…”
Come on, let’s all sing it out loud
“You are everybody, you are everybody…”
And what exactly was the purpose of the camera close-up of the flat tire in the rain? And another redo of the “Wonderwall” guitar in the rain? He stops a mugging in progress. Ho hum… filler redux.
Hate to nitpick, but it’s “You all everybody”.
nitpicking is an important job. although to be hated for sure.
Mrs. Meister
Okay, keep singing it.
You all everybody… You all everybody…
Chris,
I don’t know about the closeup of the tire but the lisence plate on his van read “YRE2OL” to pronounce “you’re too old”, or when read backwards, “LO2ERY” (Lottery).
Also, there was a sticker upside down on Charlie’s guitar that reads “I was here moments ago”.
As much as people think these are filler’s, they just aren’t. Same thing with Expose. Some ep’s are more significant than others but there are clues and hints all the time. You just have to pick up on them. The dialogue even contains hints about the show.
I think your naive optimism is cute.The truth is the license plate, the sticker and a thousand other planted clues mean absolutely nothing. They’ll never be explained. They’ll never even be addressed again. They’ll go down as just another useless bit of non-information that signifies nothing.
Mrs. Meister
No Doubt
Acutally your wrong Mrs.
In fact, a lot of the hints and clues that have been shown to us previously have been revealed along the way. Sometimes it’s a couple episodes later, sometimes it’s 50 eps. But in the end it is all meaningful.
I believe in giving credit where it’s due, but I’m not ignorant, what can I say?
Only peeve I have with Lost is the lack of information, but if it leads to a better show in the end, I’ll be satisfied.
ok, Katrina, I’ll bite. Please school me.
“a lot of the hints and clues that have been shown to us previously have been revealed along the way. Sometimes it’s a couple episodes later, sometimes it’s 50 eps. But in the end it is all meaningful.”
Give me some examples please of the “meaningful”.
Mrs. Meister
Notice the lack of response is due to she can’t think of anything because there isn’t anything. The only thing they’ve “revealed” is that Patchy didn’t die as we thought. Other than that, I can’t think of anything. Oh wait, the airplane Kate killed and robbed for. That was a reveal. Maybe there is more? Naaaah, who am I kidding!
Naa, I think it is much more likely that she is busily typing away all the many, many examples. I’m sure she just needs more time because she has so much insight to impart. LOL
Mrs. Meister
Like a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing…
where is that from?
Mrs. Meister
Shakespeare? Sounds like something I learned in AP English in HS…
I know. I can’t remember, but I feel that I should.
Mrs. Meister
Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace from day to day, to the last syllable of recorded time; and all our yesterday’s have lighted fools the way to dusty death…out out brief candle; life is but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more; IT IS A TALE TOLD BY AN IDIOT – FULL OF SOUND AND FURY, SIGNIFYING NOTHING!!
Okay, that may not be perfect but it’s from memory from AP english lit (17 years ago now) and I think it’s pretty close so I’ll go with it. MacBeth
The last sentence clealry had Lost in mind.
right, now I remember. I had to memorize that speech in HS. I knew I should know it.
thanks, I’d have tried to figure it out all night.
Mrs. Meister
AND IF you put an “S” to replace the “2″ and delete the “Y”, It spells “LOSER”. Get a grip Kat.
I am sure this will come as a shock to all here, but this was a disappointing episode to lead into a season finale. One word describes it; boring. I would be hard pressed to come up with a list of mediocrity, as the Meisters so eloquently put it. It is rather curious that a married couple has to share the same ID on this site mostly for the purpose of saying “who cares”, but I digress. The coming attraction of Charlie in the underwater torture chamber looks promising. Since we see Patchy in it, I guess we can assume it’s controlled by the Others as opposed to a Dharma stronghold. Also, anyone who was going “boo-hoo” over his impending death, as well as that tear-jerking scene with Hurley should have their man-card revoked.
A few weeks ago, I was going to make a case for why there shouldn’t be so much Jack-hate, but I am starting to rethink that all together. A lot of the spoilers I keep hearing are mentioning some sort of “game-changer” as far as his character is concerned. I guess that means he will hit a three-pointer from half-court with a second left. His lack of being forthcoming about what he already knows as well as his overprotection of Juliet are all starting to wear.
It has already been said on here, but I am in full agreement that Charlie’s list needed to be “edited” for one thing, regardless of the fact that the list was designed for Claire.
since you asked, sort of. LMeister started on this site and once I was introduced to it, I, being a woman and all, had plenty to say myself.
However, We share a home computer and it is easier to sign Mrs. Meister than to always change the log in name. As you can see from past posts, I sometimes even forget to sign it so it would certainly become a confusing mess if I had to change the log in each time.
And, I have to say, even I wasn’t weepy for Charlie. I just don’t think he is going to die. With all Des’s prophecy, it would seem to predictable and I’ll be shocked if he is one of the 5. I’m holding out that Charlie rocks on.
Mrs. Meister
It would seem too obvious to have Charlie die right now with all the overload of hints. However, Dom has no contract beyond this season to stay on the show, so I still have him in my death pool of the remaining 4.
I don’t know… they laid it on so thick with the melodrama that we might be surprised at the outcome. Although I suspect the Hobbit must be getting more interesting job offers.
He’s a dead man, trust me. He will be the only major character to die.
Hobbit is totally dead. Why else would they give him an entire episode unless it was leading someplace (i.e. either to kill the character or to make you care about the character). If it’s not a schmaltzy flashback it’s a this-character-is-about-to-die flashback.
desmond say he’s gonna drown…so there you have it. we’ll be strung along just long enough to think he’s might survive…then somehow or another he will end up at the bottom of the ocean.
I’m totally with you on this one Marc, this episode was a complete and utter time filler, just one of the many boring steps they’ve taken throughout this season. After last weeks sneak peak, I was genuinely excited thinking there are only 2 more episodes to go so we’ll get something good. I was wrong again. I got so fed up watching another MEANINGLESS charlie flashback. At this point I really don’t care what was written on his guitar case, or some minute detail thats written on some license plate that if i want to catch, I have to rewind the episode, pause it and stand on my head tilting sideways to pick up. Mrs Meister is on the right track to, that small shit like that will forever remain unimportant and unresolved. I think its just some scrap the writers throw to the ultimate fanboys so they will have something to debate, and blind them to the utter shit thats really being fed to them.
All in all… BOO to another boring episode.
Well Marc, it’s nice to know you are capable of looking at the show with a critical eye. You have proven yourself to not just be a blindly devoted fan boy. You & I seem to have the same major criticism of this episode: it was slow & clunky just when the plot was starting to get a little interesting again. Go figure…
My title for this episode:
BORED OF THE RINGS
Wow, Charlie the Hobbit has a special ring….. Isn’t that cuuuutte? God, give me a friggin’ break, will you just DIE already? And take Claire with you. I can think of a lot of things that “DS” would better stand for, but won’t post them in mixed company.
The sappy comments that this episode was meaningful and reflective are nonsense. Totally starry-eyed, love-fest optimism. This episode SUCKED beyond almost all this season, a close third to Arachno-Death of Nikki and Paulo, and Fat boy drives the bus.
I am getting exhausted just trying to figure out new ways to say how much of a let-down this show has become. My favorite part this week was the recently invisible Jack suddenly growing a pair and becoming leader-boy again. Ridiculous. I have a new theory that Annie is Jack, since Jack acts more like a wussy school girl than a man. I am really hoping for his death next week.
The BEST part of the episode was when Fat-boy asked to ride and the boat and Charlie told him he was too huge! I laughed out loud on that one!
“BORED OF THE RINGS”, nice one- I hope Tyler is jealous of that sweet lead off.
Damn it. Why didn’t you email that to me so I could have used it and taken all the credit? Nice.
I thought that was cruel and unnecessary… but laughed despite myself.
BORED OF THE RINGS
haha… I was thinking “the hobbit and his ring”, but yours is much, much better.
And I swear an oath. If they actually would have the balls to kill off Jack, about the only thing that could save the show IMO, I’ll abstain from this site for at least six months.
But they have to kill him off convincingly, none of this gut-shot on the magical healing island (when it’s convenient) bs.
hahah!! Bored of the Rings hahahah!!
Poor Charlie. I had hoped that he would get strung out again, go over to the Others, and start pulling people’s eyes out. I was, as usual, disapoint with where they decided to take his character.
Claire does need to die… her character really annoys me! Sun gets along fine with Turnip Head, so, he won’t be left alone to starve on the north beach.
They need to find a way to put Claire, Jack, and Juliet in pit… and then Russo can drop some dynamite into it. Problem solved.
Might be nice to toss Kate in there too, while they are at it. That way, Juliet and Kate can have a chick fight while Jack furrows his brow and Claire cries about it… now, that would make for a good change of pace in the upcoming season.
I have a question for you Lost-haters. Do you watch this show with full intent on coming to this site to critisize it or what? If so, I recommend getting a life, or laid. Whichever comes first.
I’ve noticed that a lot of you rely on spoilers. First off…spoilers are baaaaaaaad. Ok, well most of them. These foiler sites are competing for the Hugo Cup Award and they will do anything to attract people to they’re sites. Some sites have up to 700 comments responding to a damn spoiler that most likely isn’t true! That’s fucking ridiculous in my book. They “spoil” the fun of watching the episode with optimism, and most spoilers are misleading. But since we are not given answers the way we like them, people need to know what is going on so they rely on a spoiler to guide them. I suppose this is why you lost-haters are here, you hate Lost, but want to see what happens. If I could recommend one thing, it would be don’t rely on the spoilers.
I haven’t a clue how trivia-knowledgeable this site is but I want to mention, EVERY book in Lost is significant. From the books Sawyer reads to the books in Ben’s office, tent, whatever. The writers’ recommend reading the books because 1.) it’s the books that inspired the writers’ and 2.) gives you an insight of what to expect or of what has happened. (nothing a spoiler offers, obviously) Now, kind of like the Lost Experience, you don’t necessarily need to read the books to understand what’s going on, that’s why they hide clues. Katrina is right…although I’ll mention that a lot of clues have yet to be explained, but they will be according to the plot of the show. Maybe it is just me but I love trivia…and Lost offers a lot of it. Also, I haven’t seen a show on TV that actually tries to be good. Most shows give you a blatant story line that has no purpose, and is, well, boring. The writers obviouisly put a lot of time and effort into this show. Fuck all of those damn half ass TV shows, only thing worth watching TV for is Lost. There’s nothing else like Lost. Period.
Oh and if you dissect any show you will always find room for critizism.
Question: What do you think about Stephen King?
I know Mr. King’s work very well & I know exactly where you’re going with that. I still tend to think that while these visual referrences are certainly very clever & add some texture to the show they ultimately mean nothing (in so much as they don’t answer any questions or give us any REAL insight into the island’s mysteries). Usually they tell us something about the characters; & Lord knows we’re all pretty intimately aquainted with them at this point in the show. As far as spoilers go: I really could care less because I’ve given up hope of getting any satisfaction from this show by now. I try not to blab things I’ve read unless somebody else brings it up first (for the sake of the other posters who might care); but then it’s fair game as far as I’m concerned. Let’s not forget, the site is called whyLostsucks after all. You seem like an intelligent enough person to get what this site is about (we’re not haters in the true sense of the word). Why not stick around?
Well, I was recommended to this site by Mrs Meister’s husband actually. I think this site is hilarious, don’t get me wrong. But, I just feel like some are too ignorant to really be convinced that the show is going downhill. I think the fact that people don’t get answers soon enough pisses them off, so therefore, the whole show sucks.
It’s an intelligent show and in my opinion, there isn’t a show out there that can compete in that sense.
I think Spongebob Squarepants has more intellect than lost.
Shows how much intellect you have…
Usually entertaining (even now): yes. Intelligent: occasionally perhaps but that’s not why people watch or like the show. When the show started, it was an compelling premise with an interesting group of characters. It’s gone way down hill since then but I admit that it is still interesting enough to crap on. However, if I want intelligent, I will watch HBO.
& if you want boobs you’ll watch “skinemax” *badum-crash*
Take my wife please…
“Shows how much intellect you have…”
Last I checked I had a 140+ IQ, a BS in Math and a Masters in Computer Systems management, and work in computer security field, but I guess what I lack in common sense is the cause of my lost misery.
I think Spongebob is one of the most intellectually stimulating shows on TV, obviously you’ve never watched an episode. I’m watching right now even.
I’ve got to be REALLY f**ked up to watch Sponge Bob. That & Boobah…
*look at the pretty lights*
There is one major continuity error in the Charlie story that is difficult to overlook (I read about it on another site). Apparently, in the first season, when ‘Joanna’ was drowning, Charlie couldn’t save her because he admitted that he couldn’t swim, so Jack had to save her. And now in this recent episode, he looks like the damn Man from Atlantis going down to the underwater station! I suppose that there is some apologist’s explanation for this inconsistency involving Charlie lying, but it would certainly strain credulity. If the writers can’t even keep something like that straight, why should we believe that there is any real meaning to all of the various “Easter Eggs” that they plant in the show? And oh yeah, I detest Stephen King. That’s probably the one thing I like about Ben, he hates him too.
Wow, I totally forgot about that. You’re absolutely right though- now THAT is a plot hole that is a little bit too big to be considered nit-picking. Even if only for the reason last nite we saw his father teaching him to swim. Eh, maybe he was just too stoned to be bothered at the time?
Hmm…ignorant…….
Charlie had a weight belt strapped to him. Maybe if you guys were’nt so desperate to bash Lost all the time, you would see that you overlook a lot of things.
he had a weight belt strapped to him so he could sink faster, or don’t YOU pay close enough attention. He said he was rated 4th in something, state , school, can’t remember, but last night he did claim to be a great swimmer.
Open your eyes… BTW, still waiting on those “meaningful” plot clues…
Gotta go fix dinner, L will be home soon and I’m sure he’ll be hungry…
Mrs. Meister
A weight belt simply helps you sink to the bottom. It doesn’t help you swim, which Charlie did pretty well. You’re thinking of those inflatable things your mom makes you wear.
The writers of this show don’t actually believe in characters any more than the writers of soaps. The characters are just a means to an end like the horses in Westerns. Charlie could be gay in a couple episodes and they would cover it up with “well he DID spend an entire year in the woods with hobbits– maybe he buried it.”
Kat, that is B.S. If a guy couldn’t swim, he wouldn’t hurl himself into the water with a weight belt or anything else. Plus, need I remind you “all observing one” that he had to swim for quite a distance after the descent. No one without swimming experience could keep his eyes open, stay oriented and swim at great depth toward a specific goal with little oxygen. This is an error, pure and simple. And very glaring. Good observation Tommy.
L. just left sweety. He’ll be hungry. Your back and forth banter is about as gay as I am.
K. Meister (Keester Meister).
Actually he hates Carrie.
The relevance to this book is to portray how Ben is going to feel or how he wants someone (Locke) to feel. Ashamed and be-littled. And to hint at “the greater good” side of thinking, which would be Ben, for his selfish reasons and/or for Jacob.
Some trivia for ya:
Carrie White, the eponymous heroine, attends Ewen High School. The principal of that school is named Henry Grayle (similar name to Henry Gale).
In a made-for-television version of Carrie, the role of villainess Chris Hargensen was played by Emilie de Ravin, who currently portrays Claire.
About the continuity error..I took that as “Hey! I don’t want to die.”
I don’t mean to come off as an elitist, but if someone brings “Carrie” to a serious book club meeting, she should be prepared to be demeaned and belittled. She might as well have brought a Danielle Steele or Tom Clancy novel. King himself has admitted that his books are the equivalent to a cheeseburger and fries. I understand that his books sell millions and that he is very successful commercially, but millions of people also love to eat at McDonald’s — that doesn’t make it great food.
Yeah, I caught that one too because the fact that Charlie can’t swim had resonated with me (as a non-swimmer myself). I was like: “what! you have got to be kidding me?!” That is probably one of the most glaring and insulting plot errors/inconsistencies on the show. I couldn’t believe it. One day he can’t swim and the next he was a high school swim champ. I also hate that whore Stephen King. He is does not write; he manufactures.
His old stuff is alright imho. I was always a fan of the short stories (less painfully lavished details), Night Shift comes to mind. Also, if they had done The Running Man movie like the novella (in The Bachman Books) it would have been a sci-fi classic up there with Blade Runner or Metropolis. Instead we got a totally re-written piece of Ahnuld summer fluffernutter.
I asked my fiancee for her take on the whole “can Charlie swim or not” fiasco. She was of the (probably correct) opinion that since in those early episodes he was still snorting up a ton of H, that he was afraid in his stoned state he would probably just drown himself. Seems as good an explanation as any, so I’m letting this one go.
Nico – I’m afraid you may be letting the love get in the way on this one. I’m skeptical that you would let that explanation fly if JT or Marc had offered it.
Disclaimer: I’m no better. I’m the first one to buy any of the BS my wife says.
Well, I’ve known some people who have um… succumbed to the temptation of the poppy so to speak. One thing they were incapable of (among many other things) was taking quick action in regards to anything. I mean somebody who can occupy themselves staring at their big toe for 6 hours straight is probably not going to hop in the drink to save somebody.
WOW!!
Honestly, I would dare to say that most people that post here at one time, if not currently, love the show. But, we see the decline, as implied by the title of the site.
I personally would like all you Lost defenders to be right, but in the end you will have to admit you were taken for a ride. If that is ok for you, fine, but for me this site offers a great place to vent and commiserate.
Mrs. Meister
Ok…umm..I see your answer to my post is a lot like the other crappy shows out there….half ass.
I understand the frustration but ya’ll act like it’s the worst peice of shit out there.
Do you not understand? The passion for complaining comes from the fact that we do love or did love the show so much. It had such great potential and now… well, It seems all is lost. It isn’t the worst show out there, but “not the worst” is hardly a goal to strive for. It started out wonderful, and I think much was expected. But, they have not delivered.
Mrs. Meister
Ah…ok Mrs..so you do enjoy watching it then? A little, I presume. (sorry, some on this site are very hateful toward the show, I think I asummed you were in that category. My apologies.)
As far as deliverance…isn’t that what the finale is for? Maybe or maybe not I guess. We’ll see.
No hurt feelings here. I do actually enjoy the show. But epis like last night leave me frustrated. And actually, the finale, in this case is supposed to keep you talking and wondering until next season. Fat chance with so much time in between, but then that is another story all together. The writers have given us so many questions and so little answers. It is my opinion that they have forgotten half the mysteries they’ve presented and we’ll NEVER get answers. That is not good writing.
Mrs. Meister
I agree, if that is the case.
“Adam and Eve”. They are supposed to be the proof in the end that the writers’ had an outline from the beginning.
I read that somewhere too. I just don’t know. In my heart, I hope it works out. But I’m not very hopeful.
So, in the meantime, misery loves company, which is why I am here.
Thanks for the therapy,
Mrs. Meister
Yeah, nothing else sucks as bad as Lost fan boy! Go back to the tailsection or dharma secrets. We don’t hate lost, I personally like the show, but it get frustrating when they feed you crap like last night’s episode only to sucker you in for another one. You are headlong addicted my friend, step back and ask yourself if you know any more about the others now than when it began? No big mysteries have been solved, only small ones added then solved to appease the dwindling fan base. Yeah, there are many clues and yeah there are books to read to get an understanding of the series, but even team Darlton (for you Marc) admits a lot of the background things are just there to make people speculate on nothing. I think they whack off reading fan site postings of what Sayid’s appearance on Kate’s dad’s TV in the recruiting office means or why the balloonist was called Henry Gale (character from the wizard of oz) then another episode refers to Ben (who was Henry Gale for a stretch) as the “man behind the curtain.” It’s all interesting but NOTHING HAS BEEN SOLVED! I don’t want to know everything, but what’s the big deal about the friggin island? Why is Rose healed? Why does Locke walk now? These are things not crucial to the plot (at least I don’t think they are) that could be explained but they choose not to.
LIke I said, if we didn’t like it, we wouldn’t watch it, we just get frustrated week after week with the crap they show like last night. What was resolved? Charlie didn’t die, the others didn’t attack, Rose’s hairstyle was different, though, didn’t know there was a beautician on the island.
Yes, and a very specific type of beautician at that- West Side Chi Town “herrr” stylists represent! If she shows up with some long ass corn rows weaved in that WILL be my last episode of Lost!
Black woahman have korn roe. Hee hee white guy make funnee jowke. There is actually a full-service beauty salon and spa on the other site of the island right next to the Dharmart. Rose’s red-tinted twists (that’s what they’re called whitey) are far less objectionable to me than the Hobbit’s ever changing die job and Kate’s perfect hair and make-up.
Sorry for the bad joke… having grown up on the West Side of Chicago (no, I’m not kidding- Taylor Street represent!) I felt I was within my bounds. See, if Rose was really from Chicago she wouldn’t have twists, she’d have a giant mechanical wig/weave with a battery powered crashing airplane that moved up & down in it.
By the way, Dharmart (TM)… priceless!
Nico, are you still on the west side? I go to UIC and love the area, its completey different now than it was 5 years ago. and its not really the west side, you can call it at best the near west side, which is more of where the United Center is
Really? Then you know Taylor St! Little Italy. Yes, it is a lot different & I haven’t lived in that area since I was a kid. Still, it is the ole’ stomping ground. My parents first apartment was in a building that stood where some of the UIC dorms are now. I live on the Northwest Side now, around Belmont & Harlem (Montclaire). How funny, we should grab a beer or something!
Oh, and being from The Chi (or at least a transplant) then you might know about the giant wig/weave battery powered hairpieces I’m talking about.
I know exactly what you’re talkin about… bad hairdoes that only black women can pull off are a dime a dozen in that area! I’m always down to drink beer, but right now i’m swamped with finals and such things. In a couple of weeks I’ll be free as a bird, lets do it then, summer in chicago is a blast
Montclaire? Is that anywhere near Wrigley field? or the boystown area (belmont and clark?)
Due west from there, it is on the outskirts of Chicago proper. Borders on Elmwood Park if that helps. I know what you mean about being busy, I work out in the burbs so I have a hellacious commute to boot.
It’s good writing having so much going on in a addtion to having so many things collaborate. It intrigues me. Yeah they could speed up the answers. My best guess since they know 12 million plus viewers will have a blood bath waiting for them if they don’t pull through, is it would just give too much away.
Either way though…perhaps the finale will serve justice…I hope.
can I have some of that good weed?
Just teasing, I hope you’re right,
Mrs. Meister
Just a note that Lost had a peak viewership of 22 million, and debuted to 16. Down to less than 12 now, and unless something changes in the final this season, I predict only about 6-8 million next season. Of course, I’ll be one of them.
Yeah, nobody seems to want to address the fact that the show could (probably won’t, but absolutely could) get cancelled before 2010 rolls around.
Tis true. Although they found most of the viewers. It’s called Tivo.
I love it, the old TIVO excuse. The Sopranos tried that one also. I admit, I have Dishnetwork and use a PVR just so I can skip the commercials. Otherwise I couldn’t watch it.
I’ve said before that the Nielsens are slanted, but given that I think the viewership is about 15-16 million, even so if the Nielsen average drops to about 8 million, they know that the show is seriously losing their fanbase.
Re Nico’s point about the cancellation; there is no way that I will stick around for more than another season of this. Course that’s what I said last season. Sigh. I’m a whore. Slap my bad bum Preevyet.
Oooh, sounds kinky! I’m in! Sorry, my mind is in the gutter this week. I’ve been a bit stressed at work & it’s manifesting in very odd ways…
I don’t think my wife would allow that….
I can appreciate your passion for the show. However, I think you are way off on the relevance of the books. I actually took the time to read Bad Twin while on a beach in Cancun this past winter. It had ZERO to do with the show other than some intermittent sprinkling of names like Hanso, Paik, etc. Also, the turbine man from Season 1 was said to be the author of the metafictional book, Gary Troup. Basically, my point is Bad Twin will shed no light on any of the unanswered questions remaining. Also, I think it means that “Darlton” like Stephen King, nothing more.
Something is wrong with this. My posts aren’t registering. Maybe it was something I said?
MAGIC TURTLE!
Total filler episode. Totally insulting too, but in a hilarious this-was-written-by-a-7th-grader-way.
The 3-some would totally be on my list too; that and “that time my stoned brother and I drank Vodka on Christmas morning for kicks” not “when that chick in Covent Garden (who was being mugged by that ineffectual crook but that actually would never happen because it is a good neighborhood) called me a hero.”
I know I’m going to be called pedantic for using “reason” and “physics” for pointing this out, but you can’t jam radio signals with an underwater station. Radio waves don’t travel through oceans (except ELF for you dorks out there who are going to say NOOOO!! I SAW HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER). The one place you would NOT want to build a jamming station off a magical island is in the ocean. They could have put it on top of a mountain, and Charlie could have gone tumbling off a cliff– but no, the writers put it in the water. Maybe they need to finish up the set budget for the year with that kickass underwater station with the hot armed female guards– I SMELL MEMORY NUMBER 6 COMING ON!!
It’s a minor point that relates back to the whole “the producers want this show to make you think and theorize” premise of the show. I’d just like the writers to do a little thinking for themselves. I would have respected “the magic turtle is preventing signals from getting off the island.” You can’t argue with magic.
No I don’t think that you are pedantic for requiring a modicum of logic on the show. I used to think that they did not have enough regard for the audience to bother checking their facts but now I think , as you suggest, that it’s just intellectual laziness on the part of the writers. You don’t have to be an electrical engineer or communications specialist to know that the station jamming business was a bunch of rubbish.
I was criticized for being pedantic a few weeks ago for pointing out that Rousseau’s 100 year-old dynamite from Captain Hook’s ship might not be the soundest plot device. Even discarding the fact that my education tells me old dynamite sweats nitroglycerin and explodes, Lost told us what to think when Exploding Middle School Teacher had his episode.
I am willing to admit a wizard did it, or even an invisible man named Jacob. But if this show expects me to think, I’m gonna ask the same damn thing of the writers.
And then, back to the “reason” point. The lostaways have an entire hatch bursting with medical equipment (including a fully functional state-of-the-art MRI and ultrasound) and dharma water, dharma toothbrushes and dharma Volkswagens — and THEY. CAN’T. FIND. WIRE.
Heh, heh… nice! You’d think scrounging up some wire would be relatively quick job around there.
And yet, given the scarcity of wire, they could waste some to blow up a tree for a pointless demonstration. Clearly they were just appealing to our baser instincts at seeing things go boom boom (lord knows we like our guns and explosions) but pllllllease.
Good point.
I missed the first minute or so of the episode so I didn’t see that. They can’t start or end a Lost episode without explosions anymore, just like they can’t not torture anyone in 24.
Responding to all of you who think Charlie’s swimming was a continuity error…
Charlie had a weight belt strapped to him. Maybe if you guys were’nt so desperate to bash Lost all the time, you would see that you overlook a lot of things.
Ignorance is bliss.
I could put on a weight belt too, & I’d sink like a stone. What does a weight belt & swimming have to do with each other? I don’t think of pointing out continuity errors as bashing anyway. I love Star Wars, but can point out about a hundred such errors over the course of the films. It’s just kind of fun for shits & giggles. Here’s a suggestion: if you’re so offended by the Lost bashing going on here- go away!
Oh, right swimming DOWN and having a weight strapped to you so you sink like a stone have NOTHING to do with each other……….
And I’m not offended…I think you are, I was only correcting.
Actually he swam across the base of the station, it’s quite clear he has to go sideways for a great distance. You could see it very nicely as the camera panned across the crappy model of The Looking Glass. Plus, a big part of being a good swimmer is knowing how to hold your breath (& yes, there is a right way to do it). Lot more to swimming than just the getting underwater part. Has anybody ever seen The Showbiz Show with David Spade? I think this girl is one of his correspondents…
Kat, maybe you should leave this site. You seem to be very thin-skinned and may not be able to take the heat. If you are going to be a Lost apologist, you had better be able to defend yourself. And Lost is not easily defended. It is a once-great show where writers have become puffed up with pride or lazy or stupid. You can’t win in a logic debate of Lost. I has gone way beyond that. And the “you’re so ignorant” condescending attitude is distasteful. Sounds like me on the other board! Only difference is that I am right when I call out the lost-dweebies for their ridiculous blind faith in the illusion of the show’s greatness.
I 2nd that. Are you the Lost Bashing Police? Away with you now, you are starting to be a bother.
Mrs. Meister
Excuse me, could you step out of the Internets please, put your hands on your head.
Heavens sweety!
Why so aggro?
Heat it up, that’s what I say.
Hot and bothered,
K.eester Meister
(Mr. Mesiter’s boy toy)
Hey Katrina, did you happen to catch Charlie NOT swimming last night? I sure am glad that belt was there to help him go ACROSS the bottom of the looking glass.
Mrs. Meister
Hey, by the way, I guess there is some special Lost show on tonight in which the producers gear everyone up for the “game changing” finale. I wonder whether Tyler will create a post for this “episode”.
Hmmm… well I hope he at least adds a post to this thread about it. You listening there T dog?
What? Special show? No I guess I missed it. If it’s the producers sitting around patting themselves on the back I’m glad I missed it.
It was pretty much just a big recap of past events. Really aggrivating actually, reminded me of the fact the show used be almost watchable…
They seemed overly enthused about the Roger Linus (work man) connection to Sawyer sitting there with his rotted corpse drinking Dharma brew. I was waiting for a high 5 or a kiss between them.
jesus christ yall…I think this site is getting the best of ya’ll. Always angry and ready to send people off. Chill out people. Well, I guess dedicating yourself to a site pertaining in “why lost sucks” on a daily basis would take a toll on your psyche.
Actually it’s funny & helps relive stress. If it weren’t for this place I’m sure I would have killed at least a handful of coworkers by now. Not to mention having to talk to yokels like you on the phone all day… sheeesh!
I’m sure for some people that is the case. Although, you are lashing out at me. So, you are either assuming I am being rude, or you find it satisfying typing your blatant assumption of people.
actually, Katrina, you have called us ignorant more than once. And just to clear the air, we’re not angry, just having fun. Also, we aren’t telling PEOPLE to go away… only YOU.
Mrs. Meister
THAT is a lie….you assume I haven’t actually been reading these posts…..
Also, I say ignorant more than once, because I’m angry? Actually, I was being sincere.
But thanks that comment made my day!
Katrina, are you on drugs? You are beginning to sound bipolar…
Mrs?
L, left his drawers here. I’ll sew them this time.
Toodles,
K.Fister Meister
(The Fisting Keester Meister)
I don’t think you’re being rude, I just think you got Lost (heh, heh) on your way to the “Team Darlton” love-fest website. If you LOVE the show & are unwilling to see the inconsistencies it has & how uneven it has been this season in particular than this is not the place for you. If you would like to try & form some semblance of an actual argument & can mantain a sense of humour about the shit you’re going to take here (being the minority- a big fan of the show in its current state) then by all means- stick around.
Eh, I hardley feel welcome, but thanks anyway.
It seems as if there isn’t a 100% agreeance, no one is welcome.
Sorry all..I just had a difference of opinion.
Katrina, come on… There are alot of differences on this website, don’t you read how we yell at each other constantly. I humbly assert that you may have been on the Love Lost boards too long to see the truth about this place. If you want to post, you MUST be willing to deal with the results. Heck, Laurent and I hate each other, and I am fine with that.
Katrina, you must understand that I post occassionally on other websites, I’m typically the only one posting as “Preevyet”. It means hello in Russian in case you wonder…but I digress. I want to say up until midway through season 3, I was like you. I avoided this site like the plague, didn’t want to hear the bashing. Then I woke up and saw the light. The show is riddled with inconsistencies, and it wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t put such an emphasis on the little things they put in there. For example, it is impossible for Kate’s father to be a Korean war vet, and have been in the Global war on terrorism. I pointed this out on dharmasecrets, and can go further into the screw up. Point is, I think they thought they were putting clues, but they screwed up royally. I think they riddled the first season with these little plot points then when they realized the show was a hit, they had to stop and figure out how they were going to start splaining them. Anyway, step back, and read this site with an open mind and you’ll see that the show is good, but full of meaningless crap to divert the viewer’s attention.
It’s so hilarious that you and the stream of people coming to this site rant off about how we’re a bunch of “negative nellies” for not seeing the true sublime art that is Lost. Every week it’s the same thing. Post that we are stupid, get torn to shreds for being a troll, then appeal to reason, “can’t we all get along y’all, Losties and Lost-haters unite at my place for Nascar and Bud!”
Lost is not a great show. Deal with it. The premise was interesting at first, but they can’t carry on the quality of plot and writing that they need to make the show good. Every now and then they surprise us, which I think keeps most of us watching, with the rest watching for Mystery Science Theatre 3000 effect, but mostly, it’s just the quality you’d expect to see on some really really really bad UPN sitcom from 5 years ago.
yet you come back…..
The fact that yall RANT about my opinion on the show says that YA’LL have the problem, not me.
Again. Mystery Science Theatre 3000.
Ever seen “Plan 9 from Outerspace” (I’m not sure if the Blockbuster in Tuscaloosa will have it). Its described as the best worst movie or the worst best movie. People can’t make up their minds. It sucks. And yet people watch it. The director died a penniless failure and the movie became a cult phenomenon.
This is either evidence of his lack of talent or his exceeding genius, depending on whether you believe in evolution or not.
I’ve seen it at the midnight show & I’m sure where ever he is; Ed Wood would have been very pleased at being called the best worst director ever…
Arguing is not a “problem” to have and it is not ranting. Again, that mightier than thou attitude. Is this a feeble attempt at exacting revenge since I ripped the folks on your home site?
Ha, I hadn’t thought about MST3000 in FOREVER! That is a very good analogy for what keeps me watching the show.
Well…I had my day of fun. As an observant I have come to the conclusion that those of you who like Lost, are mostly angry (perhaps subconciously) as you visit this site everyday. Or, you hate Lost but you don’t have the will power to just stop watching. That there, says two things: Lost is that good, or you are weaker than a newborn baby.
Good luck with that.
Why stop watching when it’s still so entertaining? Even really shitty shows can be fun to watch, it’s just how serious you take it. Man, I watched an old episode of My Mother the Car the other night & it was the best 1/2 hour of TV I’ve seen in ages.
OMFG “My Mother the Car!!!!”
Nico you are a genius.
Seriously, I watched that & then an old 70’s show (in the vein of Sanford & Son) called That’s My Momma. I swear to God, I’ve never laughed so hard for a continuous hour in my life. And yes, I was totally baked (jk?).
I saw a REALLY old episode of Three’s Company the other day where it was a Roper-Only episode and I was trying to figure out why that show ran so long. But it was good tv because it was so bad.
Ah yes, that was the episode that got you ready for that spin-off gem ‘The Ropers’. I think that lil slice of heaven lasted all of about 12 episodes. When it comes to bad, old TV I reign supreme.
I actually liked Three’s Company believe it or not. The episode when Jack has to play his twin brother “Austin” to fool Mr. Furley was classic. And yeah, the best thing about the short lived “Ropers” spin off was that bald dude who was later in “The Larry Sanders Show”.
Ah, a fellow fan of classic TV. That would be Jefferey Tambor, who went on to star in Arrested Development.
OMG YOU TOTALLY SAW THAT ONE!!
Yes he became the dad on arrested development.
And I liked Three’s Company too. As a kid, I watched it religiously in syndication, and I LOVE the Austin Episode.
Mr Roper: What’s your cousin’s name?
Jack: Austin
Mr Roper: Where’s he from?
Jack: Texas (d’oh!)
Oh come on Katrina, leaving so soon? You just come blowing in, tear up our world and depart? What about all the good times we had?
See you next week.
I think she ran back to the holler ya’ll… Man, now I just feel bad… OK, all better!
I met Katrina on another board where I was trying desperately through my sarcasm and negative humour to wake a few of them up to the fact that they are in a cult. Don’t feel too bad for her. They all hate my guts over there and I have had many, very angry rants thrown my way. To her credit, Katrina was one of those who somewhat tolerated me, and I appreciated that. She and couple others seemed to have a sense of levity and humor. Alas, perhaps the heat is too much for her. Oh well….
..fucking a I came back
L, I set you apart from the choke offs that come in there and attempt to post a humorous joke to piss people off….they fail miserably. They’re spelling matches a fucking fourth grader…not to mention they’re intelligence!
But YOU came in there so blissfully.. like a turtle. I love it when you post shit, I laugh my ass off every time.
Alright…for the rest of you…love the sarcasm…Aah, reminds me of my family…I probably won’t visit a lot but I will occasionally…I don’t have the time/nor do I want to, migrate my whole life in Lost. I like the show…but shit if they do fail, at least I can say only half my life revolved around it…then of course, I’ll kill them.
Considering how many times everybody here has had to hear that ridiculous “Lost is so brilliant and intelligent and complex and if you don’t ‘get it’ then it’s just because you aren’t very bright” garbage, I think everyone was pretty nice to you. Even JT was pretty vitriolic when he came here the first time.
Yes, there are plenty of times on here that we all get a little too picky about things and don’t give the show credit even when a little bit of credit is due but if you go back and read the history on this site, the people on the other side who argue against all logic how brilliant the show is (and the basis for their argument is that we “just aren’t smart enough to get it” and offer the classic “if you don’t like the show, don’t watch and go F*&% yourself”) are way more single minded in their approach to the show.
Heck, even BigJim has admitted on this site when things weren’t that bad on a given episode.
To katrina:
Their. Not They’re.
To Matt:
Sorry spell checker.
Thanks Ross.
ALLLLLL WE ARE SAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYINGGGGGGGGGGGGG. IS GIVE PEAAAAAACE A CHAAAAAAAAAAAANCE
This site has officially become intolerable.
One episode left.
Keester Hamster Meister
(K. Meister)
I’m starting to agree. This week’s posts seemed a bit uninspired. I think everybody is just getting exhausted by the sheer craptitude of it all.
If I ever hear that piece of crap song “You all everybody” one more time, I may just detonate a hand grenade near my head so it’ll blow my head off or, at the very least, make me permanently deaf.
I think we’ve all hated that song from the first moment we heard it. Couldn’t the writers have hired someone to come up with another song by now? I mean, are we supposed to believe that “Charlie Tapp” only had 1 hit song?
There are so many levels of frustrating unbelievability surrounding that song and the scene in the recent episode. First, if a fledgling pop group is pushing a single and it is slated to be added to the rotation of a commercial radio station, then the group is gonna know about it ahead of time. They will likely throw a big party to celebrate. They certainly will not be sitting around their broken down vehicle on the brink of breaking up the band and be stunned when they hear it playing.
Moreover, we all agree the song sucks, but there are lots of terrible songs that become popular. But even if you analyze the song by its own reduced standards, it would never become popular. I can only listen to a song like “Brimful of Asha” a couple of times before it becomes repetitive and annoying. But I have to admit that it has a catchy tune to it. The Suckshaft song (thanks Hurley) is the worst of both worlds. It attempts to be an Oasis style bubble gum pop tune, but it has absolutely no melody to it. Most advertising jingles are more listenable than that piece of garbage. To try to make us think the song became some kind of international phenomenon patently ridiculous.
… is patently ridiculous
I like Brimful of Asha! That whole album is pretty keen actually. Ironically, I saw Cornershop open for Oasis at the time ‘When I Was Born…’ came out. Oasis really sucked, but I can’t recall much else as I was right & properly f**ked up for that show (ah- youth…).
Yeah….that song is the worst. When charlie was swimming down to the station, and I thought for sure he was a goner I started singin “Good bye everybody”
But then he emerged shouting “I’m alive!”
i don’t care anymore.
Thanks for that brilliant insight….
Do you not recognize a Zen statement when you see it?
That’s my favourite Genesis song (or is it Phil Collins solo?).
I’m with matt…
…and my absence here not an endorsement of this episode, I’m on vacation, damn it!
What? You can’t be on vacation now! What is wrong with you? Where are your priorities? We need criticism now! After next week, you have 8 months for a vacation!
One thing that is puzzling about the show lately is the availabilty of Danielle. A couple of shows back, Kate marches off into the jungle and finds her like she knew right where she would be. Now Jack knows how to find her and hatch the dynamite plot without anyone else noticing. Seems like she is posting her schedule somewhere these days.
I’ve also been thinking about how many more miserable excuses for fathers we have to sit through flashbacks of (thank goodness charlie’s dad acted half-human in this episode. I was shocked, as I promised last week, when he pulled him out of the water). Best part of the episode IMO. Anyhow, I’m looking forward to the next “failed father” reveal and I think I have the perfect casting suggestion: Alec Baldwin.
Jeez it’s a perfect match. He can’t act and… well, you know.
How can you say Alec Baldwin can’t act? He’s made a lot of shit movies, but I think overall he is a good actor (not great). His voice over work is probably my favourite stuff, Royal Tannenbaums comes to mind.
None of the Baldwins can act. Do not confuse smouldering intensity with acting. Cruise and Harrison Ford have built their careers on smouldering intensity. Nuff said.
Are you insinuating that Harrison Ford can’t act, because… Well, fuck it- can’t defend that position very well. But he was Han Solo AND Indiana Jones, so he’s as close to a God walking the earth as anybody in my world…
So I’m going to go against the grain here, and say that I somewhat enjoyed this episode.
Now to be fair it didn’t have my FULL attention (I was fixing a computer, while it was playing in the background.)
I zoned out most of the back flashes.
Also I have only watched 5 or 6 full episodes this season. I sort of jumped after Eko died, and watched a couple more here and there.
I have been following along on this site and I catch 5 minutes of the show now and then.
And, maybe it helps when you aren’t looking for answers, but watch the show like you would an episode of Family Matters.
Did I learn anything? No.
Was I looking for answers? No
Is Lost the BEST show on TV? No.
But, this episode wasn’t all that bad.
It could also be this bizarre thing I have when I come across an episode of Gilligan’s Island. For some reason I MUST finish watching it. It compels me like a drug. I cannot flip the channel.
I know it is bad television, but I am rendered mesmerized by this show. (Gilligan’s Island, not Lost.)
Lost may be receiving the benefits of my Gilligan’s Disease.
I’d like to take a moment to explain to any Lost fan why we, the people who have acknowledged the show’s Jump The Shark moment, at whatever point each one of us individually recognized it, continue to watch the show.
While many of you may not use the same analogy as I, it boils down to the same thing.
I like sex. I really like it. I also used to really like Lost (up until about the 3rd episode of season 2 when it became obvious the writers had no direction). Much like sex, I didn’t expect an immediate payoff from Lost. Much like sex I was willing to wait for the climax while enjoying the ride.
However, much as with sex, at some point, things can go on waayyyyy tooo long, and if you there’s no payoff (climax) to everything you’ve been building to, well, you know.
Again, Lost defenders will say that the writers have revealed many, many, many mysteries. I argue that the “mysteries” revealed are of no actual value and were NOT the mysteries all of us got hooked on.
Not for one second did I wonder who Roger Workman was during the Up In Smoke episode with Cheech. Not for one second did I really wonder about where that wire on the beach lead to, etc etc etc.
We all know what the IMPORTANT MYSTERIES on the show are, and we all know none of them will be revealed until the end of the series. Because of this, those of us who have given up on the show as a form of an intellectual marathon of clues, recognizing those clues as meaningless considering the writers make up the plots as they go along with no foresight, will never be satisfied.
By design this show was meant to last 2 seasons at most. However, at this point, let’s all be very honest…
It’s nothing more than banging away at a dry twat for hours on end, you dick getting softer by the minute and no climax in sight!
oops…
In conclusion…we watch the show because no matter how awful it has become, we’ve invested too much not to stick around for the orgasm.
Maybe the show needs some Viagra….
preevyet…kak deela?
Horosho, spaceeba.
My Russian is weak, working on Arabic now. Salaam a-leykum!
This is a disgusting, horrible analogy- but it describes the situation very well. Mrs. Meister, try not to have a palpatation when you read this!
Thanks for your concern Nico, but actually I was thinking Random Observer needs to have some better sex.
Mrs. Meister
Heh, heh… you are FULL of surprises aren’t you?
just speaking my mind.
I just finished watching Barbie:The Princess & the Pauper, and I have to say, it was more enjoyable than this weeks epi. Now that’s a shocker.
opps. see I forgot again,
…Mrs. Meister
That’s what L.Meister says.
Just let him out back if you know what I mean Misses!
(K. Meister)
Mr. L. Meister’s reverend.
Touché, Mrs. Meister. Touché.
After watching the Lost Answers show last night (a misnomer if there ever was one), I came to the conclusion that the island is in some sort of time warp. Here’s what led me to that conclusion.
1. Richard Alpert’s perrenial youth. According to Darlton (for Marc), Dharma was late 70’s early 80’s, which would make Ben about 35-40 given he was 12 when he got there, and the plane crashed in 2004 (they’ve admitted this in several episodes, Sox winning the series, etc). He looks older but maybe that’s because we all know he’s 50 in real life. Nonetheless, Ben made the comment “you do remember birthdays don’t you?” (one problem with this is that another site claims Ben was born in 1963, which would make him 41, but doesn’t jive with what Darlton says).
2. Juliet looks at an image and says the (uterus?) looks like it’s from a woman in her 70’s, to which Richard says “she’s in her 20’s actually.” Interesting.
3. Naomi says to Charlie, there was big memorial for him, and the band put out a greatest hits album. Now, I’m not in the music industry, but it seems 90 days is an awful short time to do this, but this is the least of my points.
4. Jacob/Locke. I’m more and more convinced Jacob is Locke in another dimension or time.
5. Team Darlton (again for Marc) stated in the Answers last night that they are not in hell, purgatory, etc. that they are living and breathing somewhere “in the space-time continuum.” They also stated the show was about the past, present and future, and all areas will be explored during the series.
6. They’ve also stated that if/when Walt returns to the show, there will be an explanation as to why he appears to be much older than th 90 days he should have aged. He’s 15 now, and is supposed to be 10, and if you’ve seen him lately, he’s matured quite a bit. He’s not Gary Coleman.
All this leads me to believe they are somewhere in a time warp. And if that’s it, then this show really sucks. How lame is that? I can’t wait to see what happens next week, if it’s true, we’ll get a taste of the “whole” show.
Also, in the previews, PREVIEWS (for Mrs. Meister) it appears they capture Jin, Bernard, and Sayid, and are holding them at gunpoint, plus Jack runs into Ben on the way to the radio transmitter. Looks like a showdown, folks, and it could actually get interesting again. I know the heroin I’ll inject this next Wednesday could keep me high for 9 months, but we’ll see about that.
I had the same impression based on your #5. When Moby said that they’re “somewhere” in the space-time continuum, it confirmed my suspicion after the Jacob episode. I too believe that Jacob is Locke from another “dimension.”
“Moby” – That’s great!
MY VERSION OF HOW THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN BERNARD, SAYID AND JIN KILLED:
Jack: Since none of us is an explosives expert — Rousseau keeps losing fingers– we aren’t sure how to wire up this dynamite, not even Sayid who can only wire genitals.
Jin: (in Korean) I know how. I was a demolitions expert in the South Korean Army when I did my compulsory military service.
Bernard: Couldn’t we shoot it with the guns we do or do not have in ample supply depending on the episode? I once attended the Blanchard Blast where they shoot dynamite.
Sayid: That would be extremely dangerous. My english-cum-arabic accent excentuates this fact.
Jin: (in Korean) no really, I can wire it up. We can use the battery cable from the VW Bus and there are a ton of blasting caps lying around this island.
Jack: I volunteer Bernard, Jin and Sayid.
Jack: Jin sorry man your character wasn’t going anywhere but maybe there will be a MASH remake– Bernard, you’re lucky you’re not doing commercials again by now
(Bernard nods)
and Sayid, you have just gotten too fat and the chicks don’t dig you anymore.
Sayid: But some of these people have never even shot a gun, Jack.
Bernard: I have. I was a school teacher, you forget. I think….
Jin: (in Korean) and I was a hired thug, and I can basically kill all the others. right now. In fact, I’ll go get my gun.
Jack: Okay, well I don’t want any expert marksmen doing this job. We need you to miss the first few shots. We have to create suspense. On your last bullet, you need to hit the explosives, putting my life in doubt until the premiere in February, okay? And then promptly get captured.
Very nice, I especially like Jin’s lines. (in Korean: “Wait, I was in the army for 2 years- why haven’t any of you picked up a little Korean in the last 3 months. I mean, I have been feeding all your sorry asses & trying to learn English. It’s not my fault I sound like the gay asian dude from Star Trek…”).
You mean Sulu?
I just wish they could have made the thing a little less contrived like having them discover a cache of guns and C-4 and just having a war instead of waiting for the others to go into tents to be blown up by a well placed shot. I mean how stupid are they, do they really think they are going to kill all of them that way?
My guess is we’ll be all psyched up about “winning” and then they’ll pull a Kate on us and stick a gun to Bernard/Jin/Sayid’s heads.
Yes, Sulu (aka: George Takai) came out of the closet about a year ago. So far it’s done nothing to hurt his image with the Trekkie loyalists, go figure.
Hard to disappoint 35+ year old men who live in their parent’s basement.
My point exactly!
Mrs. Meister
The thing that most struck me most about last night’s “special” was the total absence of characters such as Michael, Eko, AnaL, and Libby. Not only were they not mentioned, but they didn’t appear at all in any of the scenes that were replayed. It’s as if the producers want to pretend that they never existed. Most likely, because the actors who played those characters either left the show on bad terms or (in Michael’s instance) have refused to return to the show, the producers, out of spite, purposely edited the “special” to exclude any shot or mention of them so that they wouldn’t have to pay them residuals or royalties.
I was thinking about that as well. How can you recap seaoson 2 without a mention of Anna Lucia in particular? You’re right, it’s probably to withold any royalties that would be due.
And in the part in which the producers discussed the smoke blob and its ability to read memories, you’d think they would have discussed its interactions with Mr. Eko. As I recall, all kinds of events from Eko’s drug lord, murdering past were on display in the misty fog when he confronted “the beast”.
Maybe this is a really obvious question (If it is, sorry) I try not to read too much about upcoming shows or behind the scenes stuff (which makes reading here difficult some times) But why has Harold P. refused to come back to the show? I dig that guy
I think he wanted more money. Pretty simple Hollywood BS.
I was hoping it was something more awesome like he no longer has faith in the integrity of the show
In the interviews I’ve seen with him and just his general character demeanor he comes across as a real asshole. I think the show’s better without him anyway.
I agree about his demeanor; & quite frankly after he straight up murdered AnnaL & Libby I don’t know what you’d do with the character anyway.
*Imagines Chris Rock saying the following:* “Of course it had to be the black man killing those two!”
Yeah I see what you’re saying. Him killing those 2 gals was really unexpected, and where can the character go from there… But it could have been cool to see him try to resolve that on the show. The fact fact that he was basically swindelled into killing 2 people for his own gain. I will admit it was annoying when he would constantly say “they took my son” . I don’t know, there’s something about the character that I liked. I liked his interactions with Jin, first they really hated each other and then they were friends because they had a common purpose. It didn’t bother me that he screwed all of the other guys over to get off the island.
I think they were hinting at who’s important to the story line, and since Walt was featured I’d keep an eye out for him. Maybe he’ll even talk forward this time.
That would be great.
come on now, isn’t a girl aloud to make a mistake? I said I was sorry.
Mrs. Meister
sorry, another spelling error, I meant to write ‘allowed’.
Mrs. Meister
I still can’t get past kelvin. I read that the creators in a podcast said that he essentialy was part of dharma pushing the button and the others had absolutly no idea he was there (which to me seems to be such a let down after season 2 being so much about the hatch, the numbers, and the hanso foundation; it seems that all of that was unimportant by that time). the only thing is though he came to the station after the gulf war, which many people are believing is after the purge for some reason.
I guess I never thought of that, the purge could have happened post 1992. However, why would Kelvin (a CIA spook or whatever he was during the Gulf War) go to work for a bunch of hippies trying to save the world or whatever. Just needed a career change?
I think he came prior to the purge, which seems to have happened about 10-15 years ago given Ben’s age, post Gulf War where he was. How long was he there? Desmond had been there about 3 years, most of it alone since he killed him, so how long was he there? Had to have been 7+ years, most of it alone. I just don’t think the times are matching up. That tends to make me believe they are in some sort of time warp.
That, or the writers are just pulling stuff out of their asses & a “time warp” is a handy way to cover all the continuity errors…
AMEN Brotha!!
Kelvin is a CIA spook. No I mean he’s Jacob. No Kelvin was imaginary, since Desmond went insane. No they’re in a time warp, Kelvin was with Dharma before the CIA. A wizard did it.
WIZARD DID IT!!!
Great stuff this week! Mrs. Meister and I have been talking and we have a suggestion: If this piece of crap show makes it 2010 and we all are still sane, or at least those of left that are still sane, and still watching, should all get together for a WhyLostSucks Final episode party. We can all fly in somewhere, meet, and sit in a MST3000 way and laugh together at the final episode. Afterward (or perhaps during) we can throw back a few and recall our years of suffering. Hell, if Laurent comes, I promise not to kick his ass and even buy him a drink!
That would certainly be good time & a gathering of some diverse folks. I’m marking my calander right now… May, 2010…
Who are you kidding? We’ll all be together for sure, because we’ll all be in an insane asylum repeating “4 – 8 -15 – 16 – 23 – 42″ in the “Lost” ward.
Nice… Hey is that Libby??
Wanna play some ping pong?
we all…everybody?
OK, I vote for Vegas.
Pshaw!
You know what they say about promises?
Besides, you’re not an ass kicker dahling, you’re an ass…
K. Mesiter
(Mr. Meister’s favorite ass to pound)
I have a theory of what happens to Charlie in the season finale A lot of what happens on the island tends to be related to the karma of various characters. Eko having to confront his warlording demons and conman Cooper having to face Locke and Sawyer are a couple of examples. So I am guessing that Charlie being confronted by “Greta and Bonnie” (as the two women are named apparently) in the Looking Glass station will be directly related to his own past sins. Remember in “Greatest Hits” when Charlie wakes up with two women on either side of him in the hotel room? That must have been some “menage a hobbit” but it also represents the bacchanalian lifestyle that Charlie previously led in which he cynically used people without any conscience at all. So it would only be fitting if those two poor girls who were forced to serve Charlie’s sadistic and perverted sexual whims would appear on the island to exact their revenge on him. Karma sucks Charlie.
If Karma sucks, can I get her number?
Yeah, Karma does suck, but before you call her up, you should know that she looks a lot like Boy George in the “Karma Chameleon” video.
Bring back Cheech for the season finale! How awesome would it be to see him and Tommy Chong chillin somewhere in the forest smoking a fattie?
“Hey man…you seen Jacob, man? I think he walked by here like 5 minutes ago.”
“Jacob?”
“Yeah, man. Jacob.”
“…”
“…”
“Jacob’s not here…”
That was so funny. My cousins and I had that skit on cassette and would play it over and over…
no man, IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII’m Dave, open up.
Mrs. Meister
I hate to admit I have their “Greatist Hit” album on vinyl.
Let’s make a dope deal!
I make these really great table candles, I pour wax on a table and set it on fire!
Hmmm… where’s JT & Laurent been this week? If you’re lurking around somewhere show yourselves ya’ cock-knockers!
JT mused at the bottom of last week’s post that he might not post this week. I forget his reasons but they were wussy.
i’m with most viewers here: this was a pretty boring episode. man…i just don’t give a shit anymore. have them do something…ANYTHING!
interesting point about blowing up the tree. a bit overly dramatic, and since they obviously ran out of wire, particularly detrimental to their plans! wtf?! perhaps that just makes LOST “regular”. which brings me to another point (sorry…margharitas talking…)
why do some folks continue to hold on to the “lost is smart” mantra? shotgun references that otherwise have little or no meaning to the story don’t equate to smart in my book. am i the only one? and what i gather people are claiming is “smart” tv are just lame easter eggs that were actually quite clever in season 1, but now just seem horribly contrived. anyway…i’m just saying, don’t make a this sow’s ear into a silk purse, LOST isn’t that smart – am I anthropomorphizing there??
one last thing…”we all everybody” is possibly the gayest fake hit song for a band that supposedly is ‘rock’ or alt or whatever. seems like a blend of the monkees and jellyfish…bands that actually i enjoyed, but it’s doubtful mike, mickey, and peter ever paired up some groupies for some three-way action….davey, maybe.
I think you have stumbled upon another mystery clue… Davy Jones was absolutely the only Monkee who could score a menage…Charlie scored a menage and hopefully dies under water…Davy Jones Locker = Bottom of the Sea
ha! i’m glad you concur…perhaps not coincidentally, davy was about as tall as a hobbit too!
Incredible. Its like peeling an onion once you start investigating all of the clues
You guys are seriously desperate. So am I. I pity us.
Kate is stupid.
Kate like fro the show or Kate like short for Katrina?
Mrs. Meister
I think you want to fuck me.
I think you need help
Mrs. Meister
I don’t need help fucking.
Yeah, even retarded people can fuck.
I would never fuck a retard. Unless I fucked her brains out….
I see that in my absence the discussion here remains as lofty and cerebral as ever. And we have our visiting scholar, Katrina to thank for that. Katrina, thou hath little Latin and less Greek.
Turk! Where ya’ been? The Hottentotts have taken over & are running amok!
Since Sayid and the shooters get captured next week I spend time wondering whether it’s Lucy Van Botox who pulls the football away again (but you really, REALLY promised this time!) or whether it’s Jackoff or if a big surprise for the offseason is that there’s another traitor now working for Dharma/Others/Hostiles. I don’t care, no, but I wonder.
Ok, I have a comment, but not to Bill Mills’, I just don’t know how to start a new block.
Anyway, I was thinking, I know what the foot statue is… ready…
When Peter Petreli blows up New York, part of the Statue of liberty (the foot) flies into a worm hole and ends up on the island. The writers thought they could fool us, but ah ha, the joke is on them.
And the black smoke, I got that one figured out too… It’s Otto. This also explains the ‘ghosts’ we see. Otto again, just goofing off.
See, now the show makes sense again and we can all go back to enjoying it.
Mrs. Meister
I have been informed by L that I have incorrectly spelled, Odo. My apologies.
Mrs. Meister
When you said Otto, I was thinking of the Simpson’s bus driver, but Odo is lost on me.
He is an alien on Star Trek Deep Space Nine. He is able to change his form to be anyone.
Mrs. Meister
Ahh, star trek, never watched it nor any of its mutations.
I’ve only seen a couple of the Deep Space Nine episodes. And never cared for the original (I know, blasphemous to some) But I did like The Next Generation. After that ended, that was it. Voyager and Enterprise never captured my attention either, although I did give them a chance. I think that was all, besides the movies.
Mrs. Meister
I know the geeks will lose it when I admit this, but I have never seen an episode of the original Star Trek, only watched one episode of the one with the bald guy (and only watched it because Matt Frewer was on it). I didn’t even know the bald guy’s show was on until about 5 years after it was off the air, just doesn’t interest me. My wife watches the bald guy ones and the one with the chick captain with that annoying ear grating voice, and every episode seems to come down to the world ending, and a 30 second solution saves them all. “It was the hyperdrive flux capacitor oversensitizing due to the random phaser particles floating in space, I will adjust the intake sensors and….yep, that took care of it, why it took me 45 minutes to realize I just had to push this button to save us is strange….”
Easy with the bald guy comments there friend… I resemble that comment. Just kidding, any time I feel bad about being folicularly challenged I just look at how cool Bruce Willis is I feel all better.
When I first read the post, I thought you meant “Otto” the automatic pilot in the first “Airplane!” movie. Thanks for clarifying.
The field of parapsychology is FULL of phenomena that have supposedly been “proved” in laboratory tests. ESP, remote viewing, psychic teleportation, astral projection… the list goes on and on. And to my knowledge no television show has successfully fictionalized such phenomena. Sure, you have that show… what’s it called… “Supernatural”… but it isn’t doing what it appears that LOST is doing with these concepts, and I think their approach is very original. To me, the genius of using concepts in parapsychology as the basis for the show is threefold: 1) not many people are familiar with all of these concepts, so it’s “new” and difficult to predict, 2) for people who don’t want to delve deeply into such things, they can satisfy themselves with just knowing the stuff that happens on the island is “paranormal”, 3) for people who DO like to delve deeply into such things, there are plenty of cool paranormal phenomena to learn about, even if you don’t believe in such things!
WTF?!?
This dude that I once knew could move metal objects with his mind, and another one I knew could zap laser beams out of his eyes.
This is a refreshing and most welcome departure from the gutter talk we’ve had on this site lately. Thanks well. I agree that the writers are resorting to the inclusion of paranormal phenomena (and pseudo-mysticism) on the show but I think it’s pretty random, superficial and facile. There is nothing studied or profound about these aspects of the show… or any aspect of the show for that matter.
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Goddamnit!! The flashback of rockstar/gangbanger Charlie and he’s messed up brotha included two horrifying factual errors which I, being a native Finn, must point out:
–Bro: “Father Christmas lives just down the street from here”
–Charlie: “Father Christmas lives in Helsinki!”
WTF, is Helsinki the only Finnish city these writers have heard of? Father Christmas aka. Santa Claus (”Joulupukki” in finnish) does NOT live in Helsinki. He lives near ROVANIEMI, a smaller city located in north-Finland.
–Bro: “In case you haven’t noticed, Finland IS the bloody North Pole!”
I didn’t get this at all. Was it supposed to be a joke or something? I just hope everyone knows that Finland certainly IS NOT located at the North Pole. A big portion of northern Finland is inside the Polar Region, but that is not the same thing.
In the whole, I don’t see the point of this Finland reference. It’s nice of course that the writers know our country exists, but come on, check your facts before telling the world that Santa lives in Helsinki! Made me so mad..
I haven’t read all your comments through yet so someone may have already pointed this out, but a SATELLITE-phone uses microwave-frequencies of 1600 MHz and beyond. Radio-frequencies (as the name states, used for radio traffic) are to my knowledge below 150 MHz. So how does this jammer signal block both French Chick’s S.O.S broadcast AND the so called “satellite phone”?
OK now that I’ve let the steam out I’ll watch the rest of this episode….
OK maybe they just have some kind of a megajammer to block all possible frequencies excluding their own. Realistic? No. Serving the needs of this episode? Yes, indeed.
Who the fuck cares about finland – fodiaf bitches!
Wow, thank you for sharing your cultured thoughts. Moron…
Don’t take it personally Tero. It seems there are a lot of morons posting this week.
Mrs. Meister
Apparently the 12 year olds got on mommy and daddy’s computer. Now, children, go take your Flintstones chewables and watch some Naruto.
Q: Why do women take longer than men to reach orgasm?
Who cares?
Q: How do you know when it’s time to wash dishes and clean the house?
Look inside your pants; if you have a penis, it’s not time.
UG! You’ve managed to offend even me & that’s almost impossible to do… I kind of think you’re just yanking our chains though aren’t you?
Make that 10 year olds. Go drink your juice box and watch Backyardigans now.
Damn a 10 year old offended Nico…I’m one bad ass 10 year old!!! What do the rest of you fuckers got??? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you post here under another handle usually? Because some of this is starting to sound awfully familiar…
he’s not me. i’m 12 remember. grrrr
Heh, sorry- didn’ mean to offend there Matt. I just had to ask.
Sorry Matt, just had to ask…
it’s cool. i’d just like to think i’m a little more eloquent than he
I have to say that this week’s posts have been a bit uninpired. I think the grind of week after week of horrible dissapointment are starting to get to us all. I suppose it’s only natural that many of the biggest “Lost haters” (I use that term VERY loosely) have fallen off & finally given up on the show. I suppose some of the show’s more intelligent supporters have also gotten sick of defending their point (JT, where are you brotha’?). So instead we’ve seen a rash of fanboys & girls pouring in & Lord knows, that’s not good for anybody. It’s probably a blessing that there’s only 1 more episode to suffer through in this abyssmal season. Too bad we’ll have to suffer for two hours instead of just one…
I’m just sorry I found you all for the last few epis only. I’m surprised how much I enjoy this site. (with much of this weeks posts excluded) I’ll miss you all after this week. With 8 looooooooong months to wait until we are reunited, I only hope the fanboys will have moved on by then.
Mrs. Meister
Yeah, I toyed with the idea of trying to get together an alternative pop- culuture site (TV, movies, music, etc) for the summer. I really don’t see myself having the time though.
When is your big day?
Mrs. Meister
no need to reply here, I have read your post below.
Mrs.Meister
Damn Meister…don’t be so upset. You can ream random people’s asses soon enough. BTW….I agree with all of you about Lost. I hate the shit out of it…but I love getting stoned and watching it.
Also, I love the themes in the show…that’s about it. Oh, and some of the actors.
Don’t worry, dog, I haven’t abandoned you guys (and never will). My post is gonna be lengthy, though, because I’ve got a lot of catching up to do.
(Cue flashbacky noise)
Last week, rather than posting the same point I usually post — as I’m sure y’all are sick of hearing by now that I watch the show as a means of entertaining myself and don’t view it as high art — I avoided these forums. Not because I was gonna cry after seeing the episode get flamed, but because I had a feeling that some of the complaints were going to be a little cliched. And that’s not meant offensively: I just anticipated that the complaints would be more about people’s hatred of Charlie than actual episodic content. That didn’t really turn out to be true, of course, but seeing the word Hobbit bandied around like it was makes me suspect that some people can’t really separate Dominic Monaghan from his Lord of the Rings role. Or maybe it’s just a joke. No offense intended, guys.
Anyway, rather than hanging around here, I went to another Lost-related message board, just for kicks, and I discovered something. And this next statement is for all of the staunchest Lost defenders out there who think that WhyLostSucks is just a forum for malcontents.
People on other sites really post some pathetically stupefying shit. I could not believe some of the idiotic crap these people were spewing — some reviewers took a full letter grade off of the show’s “rating” because Charlie didn’t die. The fuck kind of way is that to gauge an episode? Other people were bitching because Charlie’s ring could be construed as a choking hazard. Who the hell cares? It was meant to be a poignant moment, not commentary on leaving toys around babies stranded on islands. And other utterly ridiculous complaints.
Anyway, I spent most of my time flaming away at these people. Was kind of fun, actually, though it meant my fanboy hat was on in full force. Sorry to disappoint, but sometimes it does actually come on. And these people flamed back, and it stunned me just how easy it was to shut them up. I mean, here, I have people with reasonable counterarguments and criticisms. These other sites are just people blatantly hating the show because they’re…sheeplike, I guess. So I was never really going to abandon this site, but going to other sites made me realize why I like this one so much. So, what I’m trying to say is that you guys rock.
Now, to the episode itself. This obviously reflects on my viewing habits as a discerning television watcher, but I (as you suspected!) loved it. Of course. I’m clearly easy to please. But this episode was kind of special in my mind — not because I’m in love with Charlie’s character, but because the episode, to me, brought back some of the humanity that Lost has been admittedly lacking.
Think about it: as most of you know, one of my favorite Lost moments was the golf-course scene with Hurley. You actually saw the castaways happy, and content. That’s what Charlie’s character-driven flashbacks reminded me of. All of those scenes were little jewels of Charlie’s life, times that I think all of us would think back to if we knew we were going to die. And I think those moments gave the episode some serious emotional heft that’s been missing for the show…well, since its move to 10 p.m. It went back to doing a detailed examination of what a character’s thinking, and, in this case, showed how these little moments influenced Charlie’s ultimate decision in the episode.
To me, seriously, it was like a real return to form. I’ve been pushing that belief for a while, yeah, but it really felt like the writers or whoever have found their footing again.
As far as the complaints leveled about the episode, well, dudes, there’s like 299 comments, so I can’t staunchly defend the show against all of them. The “Charlie can’t swim” thing? He wasn’t really swimming, dudes. He had a weight belt attached to him, and he was kind of flapping his arms. I let it slide. And I will admit that blowing up those trees was colossally stupid, and seemed likely to alert the Others to the Losties’ presence. That being said, there was really no way for the creators to demonstrate the dynamite’s power without doing that, so take that for what it’s worth. Charlie hitting Desmond with the oar? Who gives a shit? The dude probably thought time was of the essence and didn’t want Desmond trying to stop him.
Also, Emilie de Ravin, seriously, is a not-very-good actress.
And yes, I’m a gigantic pussy, but I did mist up a couple of times during the episode.
Glad to have you back man. If you look at my initial post I did my best to steer clear of nitpicky shit like the whole “you can’t shoot dynamite” thing. Lord knows, there’s enough wrong with this show to find worth while things to go after : )
I of course couldn’t help with a couple of Hobbit cracks; but more ’cause I didn’t care for the LotR movies than anything to do with Lost.
Anyway, I’m going to expect you to be in full force for the season finale! I’m hoping everybody will think of some good points ot make & maybe some of the ole’ timers (BigJim, Emily, etc) will come out of retirement for the big cliffhanger.
You know I realized something, the flashback sound, is kind of like a gigantic sucking sound, sucking the life out of me everythime I hear it.
Also, JT, when you mess with EdR, you mess with me. I don’t care if she couldn’t act better than a porn star, she’s the best looking thing on that island. OK, maybe Tania Raymonde, but I still see her as the girl with boobs on Malcolm in the Middle.
While I ranted about this episode, I think you are right, it’s just been so long since I’ve seen a good episode I didn’t see this one slapping me in the face.
And for admitting to being “misty”, yes you are a gigantic, wet sloppy one. But still good to hear from you.
I thought the scene with Hurley & Charlie was worthy of a misting. Like I’ve said all along, good acting was one of this shows early strong points (although lately- not so much). Subtle stuff like the golf course scene & the time they pass out the Dharma (TM) food on the beach both stand out to me as very nice moments. I think the writers have played with our emotions too many times lately (how many sappy endings with gay Lillith Fair music can we get per season?) & it takes away from some of the genuinely moving moments.
Word to that, and that’s one legitimate beef that I will always have with the show. They rely too much on slow-motion ending with lilting, fruity music with panned shots over the survivors grinning like assclowns that it’s taken away some of the emotional punch that it used to have.
Damn, dude. I just sounded like you there for a second. Anyway, yeah, like you said, it wasn’t not just the sweeping plot branches and the mystic numbers and the Dharma salad dressing that hooked me. It was the characters, too, when Jack wasn’t acting like George W. Bush on ‘ludes and Hurley wasn’t relegated to saying “dude” every five seconds.
Granted, Kate still sucked (and EdR sucked a LITTLE less, I’ll give Preevyet that, but dude, her smiling and saying “‘Kay” after Charlie all but tells her he’s going to his death was a little offsetting. You could fault scriptwriting on that one, I guess).
They fucked things up with season two, dude. They introduced a bunch of characters who were ultimately pointless to the show and who got killed off for DWI offenses, and I heard Eko got killed off mainly because the actor was a douchebag. And that button shit just got a little tiresome.
But I always flash back to season one, and what the show was, and still could be. Which I guess is why I’m still watching.
As far as the WhyLostSucks convention idea goes from upthread, that’s not even that crazy an idea. I get the impression you dudes are probably pretty cool in RL.
You know, I have been thinking, the Dharma Food thing could be a big hit with the Lost-Lover morons. They could put out a whole line of dorky foods with the white packaging and the black labels and I bet they would sell. I can see the products now, like Hurley Curly Fries, Charlie Onion Rings, stuff like that….
Well, I’m like- SUPERcool irl of course. A bit Guido-ish at times (as you could probably guess by my handle), but SUPERcool none the less.
Forgot to ask you, man — have you and your fiance figured out a honeymoon destination yet? Mine’s on me about it, and I’ve narrowed it down to, like, ten really cool-sounding destinations (Greece, Paris, and some island-y area are topping my list now). Any ideas for a fellow soon-to-be-married dude?
My, my… how soon are we talking before the nuptuials. We haven’t even set a date yet, but it should be fall 2008 some time. As far as destinations for honeymoons go, it depends on what you want. Most people go tropical, if so I would recommend Puerto Rico. You don’t need a passport (yet), you don’t have to change any money & the people are very nice & used to Americans who aren’t necessarily tourists (i.e.: they’re not all looking to rip you off). Plus, even the famous sites in San Juan aren’t as touristy as a lot of other Carribean destinations. The main draw is you’re a lot less likely to be robbed, kidnapped, the victim of terrorism, killed in general; or have your new bride sold into slavery on the international sex market (in other words it’s the exact opposite of a Carnival Cruise ship, heh…).
Wow, fall 2008 seems like a long engagement. L and I married in the fall and spent our honeymoon in New England. A beautiful B&B in Vermont. It was a lot of fun and very romantic. We wanted to go back for our 10th anniv., but I had just had a baby and well, moms & newborns don’t like to be that far apart.
I’m sure where ever you decide to go will be wonderful. After all, you will be with Mrs. Toscani / Mrs. Truant.
sorry I forgot again,
signed – Mrs.Meister
November 3 of this year for me, which is HOLY SHIT SIX MONTHS from now. Awesome. Picking out the food for the reception is totally going to be the best part of this planning thing I’ve got going.
Puerto Rico was actually one of the possibilities I came up with — I’ve heard it’s a pretty good time. I’m kind of a fan of the New England states, too, so that’s a possibility. I guess it’ll kick ass regard of what we pick, like Mrs. L said. Good luck with the engagement, Nic.
Better enjoy that food now.
Don’t expect to eat on your wedding day.
For real, all the planning and your big day will be over so fast. L and I went out to eat almost immediately after our wedding reception. All the time it takes to say hi to all your friends and thank them for coming… you never get a chance to sit and eat yourself.
Mrs. Meister
That’s what everyone says, but my dad catered our wedding, and it was near gourmet quality (for $5 a head), so I was not going to be denied. The one thing people remembered about our wedding was the food.
We did go to Sonic for a drink afterwards, though, Champagne only goes so far.
Damn, we need more nesting comments. I have no idea who I’m replying to.
David — yeah, I’ve heard that I’m not going to really get to sample any of the most excellent food I will be choosing, because I get to say hello to the 200+ people we invited, like the good Mrs. Meister said. Let’s keep in mind that I’ve seen our final invitation list, and I have no clue who half of the guests are. At least they’ll give us money!
Preev — FIVE BUCKS A HEAD? Ours is like 20 TIMES that, dude. Jesus. Nico, better start saving up for the wedding now, bro.
Sorry we hijacked the blog for wedding-related talk, Tyler.
In our case, the guest pretty much paid for the wedding with their cash gifts.
We even had money left over for ourselves.
Hope you make out good.
Dude, like I said. Take a look at Tania Raymonde’s teeth. They’re funny looking.
THANKYOU!! It seems someone actually agrees with what I said about Charlie and his swimming ability and not just disagreeing because we disagree on everything else….I think.
Additionally, if you go back to whatever episode that was (not that you actually will) with Charlie saying he “can’t swim”. He actually says “I don’t swim”. Perhaps he was scared. That, or he didn’t want to the bag of heroin to get wet. (I think he always kept it on his sock).
The point is…I can look at it and say hey, that could be a “clue”. A lot of people think it is a production error, when in fact, it clearly symbolizes Charlie is not the same selfish, scared, druggie hobbit that he was when they crashed. Hmm…a recurring theme when someone gets past they’re flaws…they die! Thus far at least..
You want to talk about production errors? You can see the damn camera guys leg in one of the scenes.
I actually heard that Evangeline Lilly’s breast was visible during last week’s eppy. Didn’t see that or the cameraman’s leg, though. I did notice, however, that I think Tania Raymonde (Alex) has really bizarre-looking teeth.
She has a SLIGHT overbite which is sexy. As opposed to Evangline Lilly who just has plain ole’ horse teeth. I swear, I wanna feed that b**ch a carrot or somethin’.
Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back Kat… really. I agree with you on the reasons why Charlie didn’t jump in the drink (too stoned) in that early episode.
Even though I usually disagree with JT, it was refreshing to read a pro-Lost post that wasn’t a juvenile insult about someone being gay or needing to be f*cked (which seemed to constitute the majority of the posts this week). And yes the “Hobbit” thing has been overdone, and I am probably more guilty than anyone. Everytime I scroll by my own posts and read “Hobbit” I cringe.
One thing I will say about the “Charlie can’t swim” issue: It didn’t even occur to me while I was watching the episode. I don’t remember such fine details from Season 1. I read about it on a Lost fansite. And the people who were most critical on the point were pretty loyal Lost supporters. They just couldn’t honestly explain it away and admitted that the producers just didn’t think of it.
That being said, your comments in support of the episode seem a lot more trenchant, considering the bevy of profanity filled non-sequiturs that preceeded it.
Self Edit: “preceded
And Tommy just demonstrated why this site rules. The fact that I found some intelligent people on the Internet is still, frankly, quite amazing to me. To be fair to some of the uber-Lost-fans posting here: like Stickman said above, I was pretty nasty when I first found this site. I mean, damn — do a search for the word “Schmucks” in Tyler’s blog entry on the Dharma van Hurley-centric episode and lookee, there’s my first post. And I was really nasty, too. But cooler heads prevailed. The automatic instinct when a fan sees a site like this is to attack, so the peeps here can’t cave to that and attack back.
The “I don’t swim” line by Charlie, dude, is really indefensible, even by my standards. Granted, if I were a complete pansy like Charlie was in S1, I’d pretend I couldn’t swim too, but the writers should have least shoehorned some explanation in. That’s sloppy, and it’s right that people are criticizing it.
And yeah, some people say that profanity has no place in rhetoric or debate. But those people FUCKING SUCK. Kidding. Sorry. I couldn’t resist.
To me, it’s not just the early “I don’t swim” line, but then the “you drowned trying to save Claire” adds to the fact he’s a bad swimmer. Then, to cover their asses, they show a scared Charlie not wanting to dive into a pool, then writes “my dad taught me to swim” on his 5 best memories. And once and for all, he DID swim going down to the LG! He was pulled down by the weight belt, but then had to actually SWIM about 100 meters or so to get to the sub bay. That’s the mistake they made, and what it says to me is that Dom wanted out, or they wanted him out, and they contrived him to be the one swimming down there without realizing they’ve set him up as a bad swimmer. I don’t think this can just be forgotten, it was a mistake on the producers part, and while it doesn’t necessarily detract from the story, it now makes me leary of other problems that may arise.
I will agree he clearly swam across the base of the station. Once again as evidenced by the panning shot of him against that awful model they built of the Looking Glass (honestly, I’ve seen more realistic looking shit on Sea Hunt).
the whole “charlie can’t/won’t swim” should be put to rest…
what charlie did in the water, whether it’s on his way down or under the station, was reflexive action. that is, that’s not “swimming” and you don’t need lessons to do that motion.
infants dropped in the water will hold their breath and make the same motions with their arms and legs. they simply don’t have the strength to move anywhere.
I will say, when he first jumped in the water, the “weight belt” floated to the surface…obviously prop-rocks don’t sink link real rocks. prop-rocks…didn’t mikey die from eating those and drinking milk?
Noticed that too, things floated briefly before he went down.
Also, I hate to belabor a point, but he looked fairly skillfull in his strokes, not something a person who can’t swim would do, they would flail helplessly and when panic sets in, they would just revert to a dog paddle, even underwater (seen it happen). Swimming is not reflexive and what he did was a quality swimming move. Regradless, the biggest thing I thought of was he was damn near out of breath when he came up, so how was he supposed to make it to the switch? I think Desmond knew it wasn’t flooded.
Sea hunt, I was thinking it might be an old SeaQuest DSV set….
it might be…reminded me of The Abyss.
as for swimming, I guess I’d say as a good swimmer, it’d be hard for me to fake NOT being able to swim. i have no idea whether dom can swim. that this is even a point of contention for people…wow.
there are lots of reasons I think the show is just crappy (at worst) or mediocre (at best), charlie’s sculling skill isn’t one of them.
the [nitpicky] details are all evidence of what I find is just bad story telling. they’ve flat out lacked focus and drifted. introduced story lines and characters that add little value and evaporate with out any conclusion. even reality shows created a story line, and they have to go through hundreds of hours of film to do it. I just don’t see why it’s been so hard for these cats when they’re actually writing a script.
Good to hear from you finally. Unfortunately, the level of discourse has been degenerating daily (started after last weeks episode and has continued to this week). Too many losties venting with juvenile dialogue. Totally wearing me out this week.
Hopefully, next week will allow us to go out on a high note of some challenging intellectual discussion before the summer. At this point, like with the show itself, I’m not optimistic.
My final thought is regarding all the “clues”: I still think those who tout all this rambling as in depth complexity are giving the writers too much credit. I see this much the same way I see some people viewing religion.
Disclaimer: I myself am a spiritual person so this is not an atheist ramble or anything. However, I’m not as far to the extreme as some people, even family members.
The point is, you can see connections to anything if you want to badly enough. For example, my wife has this aunt who is on the extreme with her religious beliefs: if she is walking down the street and finds a quarter, she’s 100% convinced that God PUT it there for her because he knew she needed to take the bus later that day.
If you are convinced that EVERY little thing is going to fit (book titles, randomly thrown around philosopher’s names, etc) then you WILL find a way to theoretically make it fit.
This is what I see going on most of the time with the devoted.
Yeah, I’m becoming fairly spiritual myself. My fiance is fairly devoted to her religion (not to the degree where she’s a Bible-beater or anything, but it’s important to her), so if it’s important to her, it’s important to me. That being said, my mother-in-law (oy) is much worse. She actually told us to “ask God for advice” when we were looking at purchasing a house. God is not going to stop what he’s doing and give us real-estate advice. Sorry. I’m sure there’s much more important shit going on than my purchase of a house.
Anyway, that was tangential: my point is that I think the creators do insert the clues and connections and all that for a reason, and I’m personally sure there’s an overall meaning for all of them — but I don’t think we should take all of it as seriously as some people do.
But have no fear — we’ve got a 2-hour finale coming up. There will be lots of WhyLostSucking (and some meek defending from yours truly) come Thursday morning. Are they actually putting Lost up against Idol?
“My fiance is fairly devoted to her religion (not to the degree where she’s a Bible-beater or anything, but it’s important to her), so if it’s important to her, it’s important to me.”
Once again proof that JT & I are the same person in alternate dimensions somewhere (like Jacob & Locke?). EXACTLY the same situation that I’m in… weird man.
I’m seriously considering looking into my ancestral records to see if I have an Italian brother lurking out there. I AM 25% Italian, interestingly enough.
The best 25% no doubt…
I was reading over some of the comments made to me way up there in response to the “meaningful clues”…apparently there were more comments I didn’t read, forgot to look. But while there have been clues left and right, some Red Herrings, some not. But first you need to realize some of these clues and the meaning behind it is a fan-made theory. But, if it were true, the writers’ were pretty slick.
When Claire first speaks to Mr Eko In season 2, he asks her why she called the baby Aaron. He went on to say that Moses had great difficultly in speaking to people (like Jacob does) and so Aaron spoke for him.
In the bible, Aaron along with Moses, performed “signs” before his people which impressed them with a belief in the reality of the divine mission of the brothers. And get this…. the passage is Exodus 4:15-16!
Ok, but what does that have to do with the others, the mystery skeletons in the cave, why Locke can walk now, why people are healed, etc. That’s not something that is quickly deduced, I mean you had to go sift through the bible and find that passage. These “mini clues” are just fodder to throw people off the scent of the core of the program. What the island is, why is it so hard to find, why could Desmond crash on it but then couldn’t sail off of it? These are the true mysteries, along with why everyone seems to be related to someone else in some manner. They need to get back to the basics, and then I think the show will be better and then I can go back to posting on dharmasecrets as an uberfan.
There are tons more things that they have prominently featured but yet have revealed anything about, like the smoke monster (though they claim it will not be revealed until the bitter end), how all these related people seemingly ended up on the same plane which then crashed? I can wait for answers if they are going to give them, but season 2 and 3 featured nothing but new stuff quickly resolved. AnaL and Libby weren’t killed for any reason other than the Tailies were a bad plot device, and their DUI’s were convenient excuses to get rid of them. Eko got busted for no license (though he did have one, just not on him), and then asked to leave, and was offed. Out of the tailies, who’s left? Bernard, and he disappeared (along with newly hair styled Rose) for several episodes. I think a lot of this can be explained by they were trying to put filler in because they didn’t know how long it would go, so added storylines, etc would help thicken the plot, but all it did was alienate true fans, and many (like 10 million, nearly half the peak of 22 million) stopped watching. Again, I’ll be surprised if tonight’s episode gets more than 12 or 13 million, and with the nearly 9 month layoff, getting back 9 million of those viewers will be tough. Look for teaser specials in the Fall, and probably a recap episode or two in January to wet the appetite. Hopefully, it won’t be too late.
So, Locke is Jacob & Aaron is the smoke monster (or he manifests it somehow)… I dunno’ that almost sounds like a good one for Losttheories.com… which absolutely terrifies me.
A lot of clues are not quick to deduce. That’s why they are clues, and not some sticker that someone can easily catch on Charlie’s guitar. And I never claimed that ONE clue will reveal all the mysteries behind Dharma, or the islands healing properties. Obvioulsly, if right, it pertains only to Aaron’s fate in FUTURE episodes. Additionally, that was a clue given way back in the first season (?).
But I agree Preev, the show has been slow-going. I didn’t start getting into Lost until after season two. I watched and caught up before season three came out. But the convenience of watching it on DVD’s or downloading was awesome. No waiting a week, just watch the next episode whenever you liked. Now, it’s one ep per week and waiting until next year for season four. I think people would tolerate it more if it was a series, back to back. But it’s not, it’s television. Unfortunately.
I hope you don’t buy they were killed of because of DUI’s. lol that’s awesome. The writers kill someone for something so petty, disregarding they’re intentions for the character doesn’t fit the characteristics of a good writer. (and yes, I believe that until they prove me wrong in the end).
Furthermore, I don’t know about Eko but Ana was signed on as a temp to begin with.
But, Preev, I mostly agree with you. I just feel like the better the clue, the harder it is to identify it. Also, there are more or less informational episodes, but really there are only fillers if all you do is just watch the show for entertainment. Or that’s my opinion at least. You can always find something and make it pan out.
Example from Expose (a popular filler ep)– In Expose, Mr. LaShade is also The Cobra, Exposé’s main villain. The producers said there would be a “snake in the mailbox” shocking moment in the finale. The Cobra was thought of a good guy when really he is bad. Which to me, symbolizes what to expect from what the producers meant about “the snake in the mailbox”. Jack’s tattoo meaning “He walks among us but is not one of us” would be perfect. But perhaps that is the producers misleading us. Like I said, some ep’s do have a stronger meaning. In this episode, this is what I found. Cons and Deception, a recurring theme in the Lost world.
Furthermore, to clarify, I am in no way trying to defend every aspect of the show. I am merely explaining the way I see things.
Oh, and Lost-theories sucks lubed elephant cock now. A month ago the site was brilliant. It still has it’s moments but only a few theorists ideas are actually worth reading.
Nico, I wasn’t saying that at all.
Wow that was a lot longer than I anticipated.
I was actually being a bit facetious there Kat, but thanks for further clarification. I hope Jack is an Other so they can stomp his bitch ass! By the way, your description of Losttheories.com was precious.
Now, Katrina, I feel you have become one of us.
And, just as a side note, the producers did admit that AnaL and Libby were offed due to the DUI’s, basically sending a message that off screen antics won’t be tolerated. While they were on short term contracts, don’t forget Ben was a short termer too (3 episodes originally) until he got popular. They might have stayed, and it was hinted early on (by team Darlton) that AnaL and Jack would have a fling, so their deaths were pre-mature. Also, they admitted that they were only going to kill AnaL but thought no one would care so they killed Libby for sympathy.
Hmm, I’ve heard otherwise about the DUI’s and such. But, doesn’t matter. Either way though…some insight for those who don’t know, Libby is supposed to play a major part of the underlying mythology of the show. They said even though she is dead, there is/was a reason for her character.
Nico, Thanks!
Dead from the island doesn’t mean dead from the series. Even the first off (Boone, unless you count the US Marshall) came back for the Nikki/Paulo debacle. I hadn’t heard she’d be important, but they left her character a little abruptly so I guess it’s flashback city next season. I will admit I want to know what her connection to Hurley is since they were in the looney bin together.
Right. I haven’t a clue. Hurley killed some people when his fat ass made the balcony give. Perhaps Libby’s husband was one who died. Although, she told Desmond her husband died of some illness.
Didn’t Libby also turn up in a few other places playing “other parts” as well? I seem to remember her being a secretary somewhere in somebody else’s flashback.
Hmm…she’s the one that gave Desmond a boat to compete in. They never knew of each other on the island, either. Heh. As far as anyone else’s flashbacks, I’m not sure. There isn’t a whole lot of information about her in her early life…which is why one can never guess what kind of plan the writers’ have with her.
The boat thing with Desmond was what I was thinking of actually! I don’t know where I got secretary from (was she wearing a business suit or something?). So at least initially they had bigger plans for her.
what I find odd is the “clues” seem more like a hodge podge of artifacts, references, and easter eggs thrown around in an effort to appear complex.
clues inplies that one can find out the relationships between the tidbits of information and construct a thesis about what has or will happen. I don’t find these to be very informative about the bigger picture things.
Ah, but they can be. But I guess we’ll see.
“what I find odd is the “clues” seem more like a hodge podge of artifacts, references, and easter eggs thrown around in an effort to appear complex. ”
Exactly Exactly Exactly…can I say it again? EXACTLY!
It takes very little intelligence to throw in some obscure reference, tie it together to another equally obscure allusion and call it a day. As said above, none of these things end up having anything to do with any of the core themes of the show.
To me, all of this is just another iteration by the devoted to say: “the show is so complex and if you don’t get it, you’re just not smart enough.”
Even though this season sucked big time, I’m still looking forward to the 2 hour season finale tomorrow!
I am also looking forward to it; with a bit of trepidation though. I fear it will suck & even worse: I fear it will be great & piss me off since I’ll be waiting until next February for the pay off. Either way, the quality of the posts has gone up in the last 24 hours & I expect the big finale will bring out the best posts yet.
It’s going to be pure heroin, Nico, just tap the vein and shoot up. From the spoilers I’ve read, it looks to be good, bringing back the things that made the series so enticing to begin with.
I’ll be out of the house (briefly) tomorrow night, but fear not, I have a Dish PVR and frankly, can’t watch anything with commercials anymore. I probably won’t finish watching until well after 11pm EDT, and I will definitely form an opinion overnight.
OK everyone, let’s hear your predictions for the earth shattering, universe exploding season finale tomorrow night. Here’s mine.
Nothing will actually happen.
I will really be satisfied if just one thing does happen though: please let Nikki come back from the dead.
And please let her jiggle- jiggle all over the freakin’ place (apologies to the ladies & more sensitive viewers *walks away ashamed*).
My prediction: they will answer every single question we have ever asked, explain Smokey’s origin and modus operandi, reveal the meaning of the numbers, feature an appearance by Alvar Hanso, and kill Kate in an extremely bloody fashion, much to my delight.
Also: Vincent will bark.
Seriously, though: I don’t think Charlie’s going to make it, and I’m fairly sure we’re going to see one Lostie that we thought we would never see again. There’s no way in hell Locke’s dead, so I’m sure he’ll pop in to say hi. Ben will, hopefully, have the shit beaten out of him by someone. All in all, I’m honestly expecting a pretty good episode and some really good discussion on this board come Thursday.
SInce I’ve read the spoilers this wouldn’t be fair. I think since they just delivered the episode this morning (according to production reports), that there will be some huge reveal, and that finally after 44 life sucking episodes something will happen.
I predict that we’ll be given some HUGE cliffhanger that will be forgotten about and never explained in the 4th season.
Other than that…it’s any mans guess.
Mrs. Meister
one word…
cliffhanger
two words: no doubt!
I have read most of the posted spoilers also and, although they do suggest that something big happens, it is certainly not clear. I do expect some kind of resolutions to some of the plot lines, but, given past history, I am not getting my hopes up.
One thing I admire about you, dude, is your unceasing optimism!
Yep, he’s always Mr. Sunshine ain’t he?
Ok, I just want to say a few words of reply to you all talking about God and Bible Beaters etc. I understand who you are referring to. But, you should not judge all people that actually pray and confess to being a Christian as wak jobs. I’m not accusing any of you as using those exact words, however the “tone I hear ” from your posts does imply this. Maybe I’m wrong, but if not, I wanted to put in a word to defend those of us, myself included who believe in God and the Bible. I do read my Bible and pray, I go to church and I worship the Lord, but do not consider myself crazy. Zealous, sure, but last I checked the dictionary, zealous means “enthusiastic, eager, fervid, fervent, intense, passionate, warm”. I’m sure you are all zealous over something, why not the Creator of the universe.
About finding the quarter. Was it God? I don’t know, but I’d certainly agree that God is capable of putting it there, specifically or even causing your wife’s aunt to notice it being there. And the house. Praying for anything is never a BAD idea. God does care about everything that matters to you. (well, maybe not this ridiculous show) When L and I were looking for a house 8 years ago, we prayed for exactly what we wanted. And we have it… and more. I tell people often that finding our home was a blessing. And blessed is not a synonym for lucky.
So, I’m not trying to thump a Bible at any of you, remember, I didn’t bring it up… I just thought I’d share a word from the other side. Every person should know that God loves them and cares about ALL aspects of their life. I can testify to His intervention in my life so many times. And I believe I don’t even know the half of it.
Mrs. Meister
Fair enough — and if I thought all of this religion and spirituality stuff was a joke, I wouldn’t be converting to Catholicism. I think there’s a lot of value in religion (jihadists excepted, because dude, they’re nutjobs. Sorry. I will not back down from that one), but I also think it’s a mistake to take things at face value without questioning them. I grew up in a non-religious household, so all of the rituals associated with Catholicism — the rote responses — were all new to me. And to be honest with you, Mrs., they all seemed robotic. I mean, the first time I went to church with the fiance, I was a little freaked. The priest’ll say “God be with you” and the parish replies like automatons without even thinking about what the words mean? I don’t think religion should be exclusively about rituals to show that you believe in God — it should cover everything, from your morals to your beliefs to your actions.
As for the praying to God to help me make a choice on real estate, my belief is that God wouldn’t want me running to him every time I needed help making a decision about something. If I really want to pray — and this is just my personal belief, so I’m certainly not knocking your stances at all, out of respect — I’ll pray for genocide to stop or starving people to get food or for George W. Bush’s impeachment so our country doesn’t go to shit. I mean, why do I deserve to have a deity help me make a decision on real estate? I haven’t done anything noble enough to warrant divine intervention. But then again, that’s getting into all the metaphysical aspects of religions that, as mortals, we’ll probably never understand completely. We just don’t have the capacity.
Anyway. My fiance explained it to me thusly: she thinks religion is, essentially, about being as good a person as you possibly can. That’s something I could get behind.
Converting to Catholocism by the way? Yowza! What were you before, Shinto?
I am an Italian-American who was steeped in all things Catholic at a very early age. I had some great experiences & some crappy ones (nothing as bad as getting molested by a Priest thank God) during my affiliation with our local Parish. As I got older I started to ask the same questions as everybody else about the world around me, you know: “why do the good suffer, why are we hear, etc.” the usual stuff. In that time I’ve visited Buddhist Temples, Mosques (oh no!), Temples (Oi Vey!) & many other places of worship seeking answers. I can’t honestly say I’m any closer to finding those answers (the more you know, the less you understand and all that jazz…) but it has helped me to stop worrying about it so much. I don’t know if there is a God, but if there isn’t I don’t think it’s an excuse to live like an animal. What we do in our lives on a day to day basis, the choices we make between right & wrong are clearly visible in the world around us. Righteous people live satisfying lives (even though they too suffer) & wicked people live miserable lives (no matter how much they may smile on the outside). I guess you could call it Karma, but it has many other names as well.
…Man, I have no clue where that came from.
Well, I guess with the notions of Dharma (literally & figuratively) that are featured in Lost this post isn’t completely out of context anyhow.
a question for you Nico…
If there is no God, how do you define right vs. wrong / good vs. evil?
Mrs. Meister
I’m REALLY not going to get into this on this website. Not the time nor place. If you really want to know why go & google or wikisearch some info on the concepts of Karma & Dharma & all that good stuff. Besides, I never said I didn’t think there was a God. I’m just saying even if there’s not you still wouldn’t find me or most other people in the world out raping & murdering.
I don’t need to google… I was interested in hearing YOUR thoughts. But if you don’t want to share them, that is ok too.
Mrs. Meister
I just don’t want to turn whyLostsucks into a religious discussion board. It’s not fair to the other poster who in all probability don’t give a damn. All I was trying to convey was that what constitues “God” is different for a lot of people (you yourself mused: “what is God?”). I think “God” is the thing inside us that tells us the difference between right & wrong. How we are brought up plays a part too (just ask your friendly neighborhood Jihadists, but I digress…), but there is SOMETHING in human beings that makes us unique (call it a “spirit” or what you will). I just think too many people think of some old white dude in a robe when they think of what God is & I’m willing to bet that’s not right at all! Hope that clarifies for you at least a little bit.
Actually, I wrote “Was it God?”. Referring to the whole quarter thing.
I understand about what WHYLOSTSUCKS is about, but we all talk about all sorts of stuff.
Mrs. Meister
Ah- ha! Holy Spoonerism Batman (now Spoonerism is one you’ll just HAVE to google). “Was”, not “What”- I am a tad dyslexic but it usually only affects my math skills. Well in any case, I don’t knock anybody for their beliefs or lack there of. People who are adamantly anti-religion (especially Christianity) honestly bother me just as much as Jehova’s Witness’ (I used to have a lovely collection of those awsome illustrated tracts from my days as a college student riding the ‘L’ in downtown Chicago). I just think sometimes good Christian folk get bogged down on focusing on their heavenly reward (what happens after death) & sometimes loose focus of what’s going on down here (which is often hell on earth these days). I’m all for good deads (one of the things I DID like about Catholocism), but only if it’s for truly selfless reasons & not “hey Lord, look at me- I’m earning my place in heaven!” (& then they turn around & do something REALLY awful anyway because it’s somehow justafiable).
Nico, perhaps you are Agnostic..?
That’s one word for it. I find it to be a bit strong, since most morons (not Mormons- morons) assume it means the same thing as atheist. I am pretty convinced there’s something in the Universe A LOT bigger than any of us. I just don’t think any one organized religion has gotten it all right.
Agreed.
There’s always something bigger. And bigger than that. and bigger than that and bigger than that and bigger than that… it’s just a huge ladder. you can climb up, you can climb down, side to side. whatever you want. our beliefs are meaningless. and they’re equally as meaningful as they are meaningless. fun stuff.
It’s all about faith, and having seen the light, I think I understand my purpose in life. A good friend once told me the secret to getting into heaven was moderation, don’t drink (alcohol) too much, don’t overdue religion, etc. While I think this is partly the key, there is a small amount of belief that goes with it. If the Bible is just a bunch of jibberish to you, then you don’t have the faith. Until you do, then there’s nothing anyone can say or do that will make you understand. The common misconception about religion is you have to be perfect, and you as a human, can’t be perfect. We’re all sinners, and what makes the difference is the ones who believe know to ask for forgiveness. Now, it doesn’t give you a license to go out and kill, rape, and steal, but if you were to do those things you wouldn’t be a true believer anyway. Once you believe, you have a different set of morals hoisted on you. Now, for me, I still watch porn, get drunk occassionally, and do other “non-Christian” things, but I would never do anything illegal like armed robbery or murder. The hard part is in my military capacity, I may someday have to kill someone, but I think God understands that aspect as part of what I do. I think it would have a profound effect on me, but I would still ask for forgiveness.
Point is, there has to be a God, a higher power, something out/up there watching and guiding all of us. Since I have been a believer, I have not worried about money, and things always work out. Just when I think I’m at the end of my financial rope, something always comes up, a trip where I’ll make a few per diem $$, or my tax refund was bigger than anticipated. Do I pray about real estate, not necessarily, but you can pray for guidance. Does God want to be your realtor, no but he is omniscient and there is a master plan, but praying to God won’t change the plan, but it may make you think so. I don’t think everything is mapped out, I think there are a lot of forks in our road of life, and when we reach one, if we pray about it, we go down one side, if not, we go down the other.
I know this doesn’t relate to Lost, but after Mrs. Meister’s post, I felt compelled. I’m not trying to say go to Church (I haven’t been in years myself), but don’t discount religion. BTW, my wife is Catholic and I’m Protestant (and damn proud of it!), and we get along great. I told her I wouldn’t convert, and she understands that. Our children are raised Catholic, and that’s ok with me, I feel any religion is good, even if it’s the wrong one.
As for who’s right, that’s where faith takes you. Islam claims they’re right, Christians say they’re right, Jews say it’s them, but really who cares? I think belief makes for better society. After 3 years in Utah (no I’m not Mormon, was stationed there), I liked it because I liked the values they “forced” on us. Most people wouldn’t like Utah because of the drinking and smoking laws, but I did. When it’s all said and done, I just wouldn’t want to be standing before the throne of God saying, “well, I thought Christianity might be right, but I wasn’t sure so I didn’t believe in you.”
Sorry for the diatribe.
Preev, I had to look up diatribe. It means, “a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism:” Honestly, that wasn’t what I thought when I was reading your post. I enjoyed reading your thoughts. I know the website is about lost, but when we’ve exhausted that, I think it’s pretty cool that we can go off on tangents and learn a little about each other. I think it’ll lead to even better discussions and more respect for each other when we disagree. Maybe it’s that I’m a woman and more relationship oriented, but I respect the opinions more of those I know, and I feel I know some of you a little better than I once did. Anyhow, I’m looking forward to tonight, but probably even more, I’m looking forward to tomorrow. I love this site.
Mrs. Meister
Diatribe is also a dialogue, chat, speech, dissertation, rant, etc, meant as a long discussion, not necessarily as a criticism. English is so much fun!
It is good to know a little, but I can’t give out too much info or people might figure out who I am and I post under the same name everywhere. It is also my e-mail address at various webmail sites (hotmail, netscape, google g-mail, etc). I secured it years ago while taking Russian in college, and I like it because no one hardly ever uses so I don’t have to be preevyet19692345 at whatever.
Anyway, I saw the posts and as a recovering Bible beater, I thought I would post my opinion on religion.
BTW, anyone who watches South Park knows the Mormons got it right
I agree JT, that we, or rather, that I have never done anything to deserve divine intervention. That is what makes it so awesome to me, He does it anyway. I’m just saying, God shows me in countless ways that He cares about things no one else cares about.
I’ve been to Catholic mass, although I myself am not Catholic. And I know that works for many…but there are many denominations to meet individual styles. Church should not be boiled down to boring repetitions that have no meaning. God is exciting, and church can be too. I’m not cutting on the Catholic church either, their mass is beautiful, I’m just saying, if all you are doing is a robotic response…why bother. Find something that works for you.
Mrs. Meister
E-Gads! 400 comments (most of them utter shite, but oh well…), this place has become a monster.
Just wait until tomorrow’s turd of a cliffhanger and all the uber fan boys (& girls) will be on here saying we’ll never be happy. Probably not. I only hope it’s not great, having to wait until February will then be harder than you think.
JT is getting out his shine-box & preparing to polish that turd as we speak (jk man, couldn’t resist).
A monster is right. I pretty much just sit back and watch in amazement these days. I don’t have half the creativity or writing skills of most of the posters on here.
This whole website, makes no sense. If the show sucks so much and all the fans are wasting their time……..isn’t it even more worthless to watch every episode even though you hate the damn thing, just so you can tell the internet how much it sucks week after week?
Why must these people post here? Read, no actually READ the posts and you’ll see we all are in some way huge fans of the show. It still sucks huge Tijuana donkey show dick, but we still love it and have hope for it.
hahah
ah, memories…
…of LOST when it was good?
…or donkey shows?
That’s a low blow.
I’m not sure she didn’t mean just what you thought (in jest of course! *blush*). Kat has used some fairly “eloquent” (i.e.: vile but funny) turns of phrase herself. Which makes me think she should fit in just fine around here…
If it helps you, think of us all as masochist.
Mrs. Meister
Masochist means enjoyment of torture, right? I guess that fits here. In less than 24 hours, we’ll all be glued to the idiot box hanging on the edge of our seats.
“This whole website, makes no sense. ”
That comma, makes no sense.
CS will never be back to read this, but he’s/she’s right. were we not fans (ever), yet continued to watch solely to mock, then I’d be the first to say “I have no life!”. Which is why it continues to stun me how “fans” of LOST (or critics of this site…?) feel compelled to post since they obviously never read the FAQ or the posts!!!
I’m sitting through an 8 hour telecon today, ends at 7pm eastern. I’m hoping this keeps me distracted enough to not think about tonight. My wife will go hide in the bedroom all night, I’ll watch something for about 40 minutes while Lost records (Dish PVR, no commercials!), and then what? That draining feeling knowing that you will not see another episode until February.
I’ve read all the spoilers, and they are incomplete. There’s a little mismatch with them and the previews. I think the spoiler dude is trying to throw everyone off the scent of the big twist.
BTW, while we wait did anyone watch the Heroes finale? A little disappointing but I think they are slightly ahead of Lost at this point. I just hope they learn from Lost season 2 mistakes and keep the good stuff rolling.
I did see Heroes and was equally disappointed. I think the end of the finale was extremely anti-climatic after such a great season and show for that matter. Syler dying without a fight, Nathan scooping in to fly Peter away. It was a definite let down. The best part of the end was watching Nikki knock Syler on his butt. But, Micah running over and saying that “Dad needs you.” Give me a break. That was dumb.
Mrs. Meister
The big spoiler is that tonights flashback is actually a flash forward. This has been confirmed from multiple sources. And the Hobbit dies.
Awesome. We ALL wanted to know.
Bilbo Baggins dies? I thought we all knew that. Keep believing the “flash forward” ruse. I think that’s the misleading part about the show. I may be wrong, but something doesn’t add up.
What do you guys expect from a worshipper of the Dark Lords of Cthulu (if you don’t know, don’t bother asking- or just for fun google ‘Miskatonic University’).
Anyway, I too think that the whole flash forward thing is a “foiler”, not a spoiler (Lord I hate the word foiler). My guess is that the real surprise will involve learning that one of our heroes has sided with the Others. Then again, I may be giving the producers of the show WAY too much credit to think they could fool anybody about anything for so much as a second…
Related: the Cthulhu game “Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth” is probably one of the best FPS adventure games I’ve ever played. The best part is that the protagonist is a giant pussy who suffers from vertigo and hallucinations. Also, if the guy’s sanity gets too low, he shoots himself in the head. Creepy game — and there’s one segment that almost completely recreates the scene from the “Shadow over Innsmouth” short story where the narrator is running from the Fishmen.
I’ve played that video game. It’s based on a real old fashion, dice rolling RPG from the mid 80’s which I played as well.
A lot has been made of his tattoo, “he walks among us but is not one of us”. Although I think it is far fetched to think he’s sided with the others, he sold his soul earlier for a sub ride home.
Yeah, I’ve been wondering about Jack’s loyalties as well. Seems unlikely he would side with people who murder without a second thought (out of character for a surgeon who couldn’t even handle the thought of Ben dying) but then again; I’m SURE the tattoos have some DEEP meaning…
turkey, san diego, skeptic, evil, nico of course, and other´s i forgot to name
this blog is run amok, from an intimate coterie of 12 posters, 130 a week, to a 400 post wedding planning sleepover in Andover care of the crapmeister clones. I had fun going out in a flame of glory, not really, but I must bid adieu, i really wanted to say that the acting scene in the alley with the wog and purse thief was atrocious, and i thought ben´s test tube tween was butchering a polar bear cub rather than a rabbit, white rabbit get it alice, cue jefferson starship, but apparently this train is off the rails.
it was fun while it lasted but que sera sera and all that. gentrificarion is a bitch. see you next year. maybe if i watch.
sorry to see you go Laurent. Too bad you are so narrow minded. I enjoyed sparring with you. I think you are the most arrogant, obnoxious poster here, but still will miss you. Auf wiedersehen (yes, if it were not for America, that’s how you would have closed your post)
Gentrification is a bitch, & sites like this always have growing pains. There’s been a few times I’ve almost called it quits where this site is concerned myself. February ‘08 is going to be a long time coming; and I’m sure we’ll see a whole new group of posters then. It will be a time for renewal & some fresh blood. Sure, there’s a good chance they’ll be a bunch of tools but hope springs eternal right? Until then Laurent my friend, I bid thee fond farewell.
i blush at the though of san diego being a reference to me.
Holla!
e-n-ways…this page is just to damn crowded. finding a kind comment from mr. toscani, or the confused ravings of JT are like finding piece of hay in a pile of needles…or somethin like that.
i’ve ruined nearly every episode of season 3 for myself by checking out the spoilers. perhaps that’s why season 3 sucked so bloody much. perhaps that’s why i’m not excited about tonight’s episode…then again…maybe it cuz after tonight…what web page am i gonna visit on a regular basis? what am i gonna do with all the free time? AHHH!!!
maybe it’s time to live.
peace out friends…& enemy…
if you’re in san diego…look up the acoustic rhyme master..Rob Deez.
p.s….will you guys sign my yearbook…
Well, here it is, the night of nights. The big finale is upon us…. What will happen? Will we finally have answers or just another lame question fest with more threads left hanging that will never be tied up? I hate to say it, but I am excited. One more time – My wish list is short – Jack to die and Locke to live. I will settle for Locke living since I know Jack-ass will never die. I look forward to hearing all the great rants after this one. Until then, once more into the breach my friends!
“Once more into the breach…” A perfect quote for the occasion.
Just leaving the office & heading home to pop some corn & park my butt on the couch. I’m feeling the odd combination of fear & excitement usually reserved for first dates & job interviews. It will probably suck, but that’s the one good thing about this show- you just never REALLY know.
Homemade Porn Clip…
Its interesting, THX…