Flash Back to the future
So the season finale was a bit of a mixed bag for my tastes. I’d give it a 6.5 out of 10. There were definitely some good points, but a lot of dumb stuff too. Here’s the good and bad according to me.
Jack is even more of a whiney bitch than we thought. OK we get the whole “fallen hero theme”. We actually got it in season 1.
Jin can’t shoot for shit.
Bernard sucks. A 12 year old girl can keep a secret better than him.
Wouldn’t it have been easier to cut the power cable to the underwater hatch, thus turning off the signal jamming? Hmmmmm.
Ben’s treasure map may have been the gayest thing ever.
God Damn! Walt grew about 2 feet in the 8 weeks that have supposedly passed since he left. He looked like he was ready to try out for the NBA.
Scentless Apprentice kicked ass. Absolutely the best song placement of the show so far.
How can you drive a van through a jungle with no road? It’s a VW bus, not a Hummer for crying out loud.
Sayid snapping that guys neck with his feet, then sawyer killing Tom was sweet. Finally, something happened. Big points for that scene.
Wouldn’t it have been better for Charlie to go outside of the little room to shut the door. What was the point of locking himself in there to get flooded. Seems like he could have saved Des just as easily on the other side of the door. And by the way, why the hell won’t patchy die already? That dude is like an unflushable turd.
Finally the ending. So the whole flashback was a flash forward. That’s the big cliffhanger? Wow, talk about a serious let down. So Kate and Jack get off the island, but what’s to say it was from the time with the phone and not 2 seasons from now. That’s the problem with a flash forward. Is everyone going to start having flash forwards now? So will Jack somehow come to his senses and try to stop the rescue? Who the hell knows, who cares? I thought it would be a tough wait with some huge event happening for the cliffhanger, but with this lame twist it will be a piece of cake. School’s out for summer!
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I just wanted to make the first comment. overall i thought it was a good episode. it’s gonna be a long wait. unfortunately i spoiled it & the rest of this season for myself… might have enjoyed it more if i hadn’t. maybe next season. so who the hell is on the boat? why’d they go in search of desmond. maybe penny’s dad? he was a major hater. maybe the non island dharma initiative cats. going to excact some revenge on the hostiles. who knows… see ya next year…or tomorrow…
okay for all the ppl who say charlie could have escaped, i said that too. but then i read someones point about it. desmond kept saying he was going to die, no matter what. instead of having des baby sit him 24/7, he just ended it, the whole fate versus free will theme.
you know.. people cant say that lost sucks anymore. the show has gotten to the point if the ending was disappointing and stupid, it wouldnt matter due to the fact that the show has proven itself to be the best written thing ever, and no one can take away seasons 1,2 or 3. btw, its lasting 3 more seasons, 16 episodes each.
big set for next season is the ruins.
as for walt being huge, the producers have said a while back that time on the island does not line up with time off the island. remeber, its still 2004 on the island, on 2007 here.
and when you heard the three gun shots… did you not feel any sorry for sun and rose? sayid was cool for accepting death to “save” everyone.
i personally would love to live on that island.
and did any of you laugh at hurly getting scared at sawyer closing the door, or talking to what he thought was the others on the walkie?
did you really expect sawyer to kill tom?
i could go on and on…. is this the best written thing out there? it does something very positive to me when i watch this show.
i wonder if season 3 was tainted for me, by going to this site and reading the most pointless flaws on the shows, brainwashing me a little.
its like… you get this really hot sexy asian girl, but she has a little scar on her from something a while back, and so you break up with her. thats kind ofa bad analogy, but you get the point.
tyler, i know you like the show, and i think you should come to your senses and make a new site, and remove this site and link it to your future new site of “lostisperfect.com”… haha, but negative ppl are stubborn and non-changing, so i dont see you doing that. maybe you will just to prove me wrong? maybe you wont. ill come back to this site later to read replies to this post, then i MIGHT come back in 9 months, just to see if the site still exists.
one more thing about the cliff hanger, i think thats the future that would have happened if desmond did not have flashes.
and the eprson in the coffin, im sure its no one we have seen yet on the show, seeing as the first two letters of the guy is jo, and his last name does not start with a l (according to HD screencaps of the piece of paper)
I know, it’s Joseph Smith! Founder of the Mormons! Why wouldn’t that surprise me?
This type of Lost fan is pretty representative of the majority of semi-literate chuffs who tend to blindly praise the show no matter what kind of schlock is presented (I don’t include many of the regular posters here in that population). “The best written thing ever”? Are you kidding me? It’s an interesting phenomenon. Lost drops in all kinds of references to literary works or historical figures and then the Lost fans congratulate themselves when they read a selection on the reference on Wikipedia. It proves how “smart” the show is and reinforces their own delusions of sophistication. But it is painfully obvious that none of them would have even heard of the philosopher Locke if not for one of the characters in the show being named for him. It’s like they are getting their educations backwards, relying upon a television show to tell them what they need to know to be an intellectual. In ten years, when the program is long gone, they will all have forgotten about Locke (unless another show pretentiously attempts to give its storyline profound meaning by using the same reference) and they will each still remain unable to grasp basic English grammar rules(such as using possessives).
apostrophe abuse is my favorite. Look around you, you’ll find it EVERYWHERE. Business signs, advertisements, newspapers… It cracks me up.
Mrs. Meister
I agree, “Lost” is the “Family Guy” of TV dramas. Unfortunately, cleverly placed references to seemingly irrelevant matters are what is defined as intellectual in present-day popular culture.
Wow, you sure have some strong feelings. I have to agree that a Wikipedia article by no means makes you an expert on the subject. Still, I guess I don’t see the harm in something, even the banal, that encourages people to reach beyond their television and learn a little bit.
I hope you didn’t get this worked up about Calvin and Hobbes too…
Now let us laugh:
Rene Descartes walked into a bar and ordered a stiff drink. With an air of satisfaction, he finished the drink and set the empty glass on the bar. The Bartender said, “Would you like another one?” Rene said, “I think not,” and disappeared
You may now destroy me… I am unarmed and quite dumb.
I totally love the whole: “the writers say that time on the island doesn’t line up with time in the rest of the world” thing.
Even better is when the typical fan accepts that as if it was integral to the entire concept the creators had all along (because as we ALL know, they have it all planned out ahead of time).
No, actually, it’s some hackneyed ad hoc contrivance to explain away anything you need to.
we’ll know that they had everything planned out by the end of the series, and adam and eve from season 1 will be direct proof.
and of course i know who john locke is, the person ppl praise for having so much influence on our modern us government.
and the fact that lost refers to books and names characters after real ppl, i could care less about that aspect of the show, and i really dont care about it.
negative ppl are very blind, so i can see how you cant think this is the ebst written piece of work out there, i kinda feel sorry for you…
Wow – so if they manage to make-up an explanation for 1 thing from season one you’ll be satisfied…talk about easy to please. Oh wait, no actually that’s inability to critically evaluate and add inabilty to debate on there too. You may want to click on wikipedia under your “favorites” and brush up on some of the fallacies of debate. Labeling someone who doesn’t buy into your poorly thought out argument as “negative” and therefore blind and therefore unable to understand your argument or your brilliant show has problems. I won’t even use big words like non sequitur or ad hominem so as to not confuse you further. So I’ll keep it to single syllable words: to use that type of thing to argue (oops, that’s 2 syllables, sorry) is bad
I guess Hurley continuing to gain weight was part of the brilliant plot all along. Since season one, they had it planned that he’d be too fat to canoe, too fat to trek, and would end up with his fat rump in a VW bus saving the day.
I guess the fanboys are vindicated.
Mrs. Meister
It’s like that movie “thank you for smoking” when rob lowe explains away a plot hole with one line of dialogue “thank god we invented the whatumacallit”.
Although I disagree with most of what you said.
Thanks for not being a douche.
It refreshing to get a Lost fan that doesn’t spell in ALL CAPS, or calls everyone names, or asks the same question over and over again, “Why do you have a site about a show you hate?” the first time they post a comment.
No, this guy is a SUPER GIANT douche. He’s just restraining himself because he’s been ripped a new one like three times already.
BUT! What if it’s his middle name that doesn’t start with L? Where are these screen captures?
It was a bit of a let down. The flash-forward thing is always confusing…I wonder who was in the coffin?? Kate obviously didn’t want to pay respects, maybe she & Sawyer turn on each other for good at some point. Maybe he dies. He’s probably the only character that would have no one come to the viewing.
Either way, after seeing Jack’s state in the future, I can’t help but wonder if he really was meant to stay on the island. Maybe Kate was too…sounded like she was afraid of whoever “He” is that is at home waiting for her.
Who knows, maybe they are all suppose to stay there…
Guess we’ll wait & see. Oh, & i’m still left wondering if Ben & Russo had Alex together. They still haven’t cleared that one up. Too many loose ends!
good points re: coffin, “he”, etc. that’s obviously another wrinkly little mystery they want to throw out there “OMG! They get off the island but is sawyer dead or is he with kate?!?!”…two more questions that won’t keep me awake at night.
i actually thought jack’s flash foward was well done, even if transparent.
but but but….well done if it was actually a flash forward. He says to the surgeon guy that he should go upstairs and get his dad and test to see who was more drunk. His dad??? He’s dead, isn’t he?
I too wonder who was in the coffin. Please don’t everyone take this the wrong way, but when Jack gets out of the car I noticed everyone on the street was African American (as if they made a point of showing that) as was the Funeral Home director. Perhaps it was Michael? It would explain why nobody wanted to go the viewing (you know, the whole being a murderer thing…) yet Jack would still feel bad enough to go.
For some reason, I am thinking it’s Locke in the coffin. No one would want to go to his funeral, especially after the shit he continues to pull on the island.
maybe, seems it’s someone of significance…to jack…but then, that means locke leaves the island. doesn’t seem like he wants to. afterall, someone pops a cap in your gut in south central, you die. same thing happens on the island, you regenerate!
I noticed that too, but I don’t recall if Michael was from California, I thought he was from NY or east somewhere. Either him or walt would be a good guess, I thought initially it was Juliette, then Ben, but now I’m not sure. Maybe someone got a screen capture of the newspaper clipping. Off to dharmasecrets I go…..
Yeah, you do get a bit of a look at the clipping.
Just looked at some screen caps. It’s full of contradictions. It was on the front page, & the person lived in a loft yet they were waked on skid rowe- makes no sense. It also says ‘Man Found Dead’ in the headline. The person’s first name seems to start with a ‘J’, but that’s all you can see. For all tha’s being made of the small size of the coffin in the screen caps you can clearly see it’s made to fit someone approximately 5′8″- 5′10″ which is pretty much average adult male size. My new guess- either Locke or somebody we haven’t seen yet.
I saved this one on my PVR, so I’ll do the nerdy geek thing and go frame by frame to see if I can make it out. I can’t seem to login to dharmasecrets, says my password is wrong (though I know it’s right), so either they screwed up my account or my firewall here is messing things up.
Maybe it’s Jacob.
It’s a coffin for the Lost writers. I mean, this IS the future, right? What in the hell are the Lost writers going to do after f’ing up such a great show?
No worries, Nico. There could only be a risk of giving offense if we expected better of you. Just kidding… I agree that they belaboured the whole dodgy “hood” thing How do they set up the casting calls for such scenes?: looking for shifty looking black guys in camisoles and low ridder jeans to convey urban despair against a backdrop of economically depressed, crime riddled streets. Preferred candidates must emanate “ghetto vibe”. Anyhow, my impression was that Michael was firmly middle class although I suppose things could have degenerated for him after his return. Riddled with guilt about the price of his freedom, he ends up destitute and alone on skid row. Also sounds alot like Jack’s fate in the future, except substitute destitution for drug addiction.
“looking for shifty looking black guys in camisoles and low ridder jeans to convey urban despair against a backdrop of economically depressed, crime riddled streets. Preferred candidates must emanate “ghetto vibe”. ”
Almost made me laugh milk out my nose on that one.
I agree. Hilarious.
I love you too Turk! Like I said, they just seemed to indicate that Jack was the ONLY white dude in a large radius so I thought it was worth thinking about. Plus, if you recall Michael was quite destitute due to his injury until his ex set him up. Still, Michael did live in NY & by all accounts is NOT returning to the show at all so… probably not him.
“when Jack gets out of the car I noticed everyone on the street was African American”
Did anyone notice a small but irritating detail about this scene?
– Badass drunken pill munchin’ Jacko crossed the road totally ignoring all traffic. He steps in front of a car which almost hits him, but the SECOND car to appear in the screen is a POLICE car which almost hits Jack too. But the men in blue just keep on cruising. “It’s black neighbourhood, don’t pull over. I’ve got wife and daughter to go home to”
If it were police in Jersey City they would run him down for kicks.
I don’t think Ben & Danielle are both biological parents of Alex. So far we know that if anyone gets pregnant on the island, they die. And we’ve seen that Ben was brought to the island as a boy, so I doubt Ben went off island, got Danielle pregnant, then brought her to the island to have the baby and live in isolation from everyone else. As screwed up as the plot can get, I think that would be over the top for even this writing group.
Mrs. Meister
Danielle was pregnant with Alex when she got there just like Claire; otherwise they wouldn’t have lived. Therefore Ben can’t be the real father.
Okay, it was great to see Sawyer shoot Tom, but that’s the kind of thing we’ve been waiting to see for two years. That said, a couple of things made no sense at all (as usual). First, where was the escape plan for those three who stayed behind, in case the three tent bombs didn’t kill all the Others? And why have three shooters, anyhow, especially Jin with a pistol? Sayid’s got a high powered rifle with a scope, so he ought to have set up farther away, and fired at all three tents, then planned a careful and quick escape route. Next, who on here would not have thought to check Mikhail’s pulse? Come on! You know they would’ve checked! You know it! That was so phony. And why have Charlie enter the code BEFORE setting up the dive equipment? They had no idea how the flood would occur, so wouldn’t it make sense to be prepared for a huge rush of water??? That was just stupid. It’s bad and lazy writing. As far as Charlie’s future goes, well, we know there has to be some huge story shift to fill another 48 episodes, right?
“Next, who on here would not have thought to check Mikhail’s pulse? ”
or put a few slugs in him, weighted him down, and tossed him in the water?
>>>That was just stupid.
(Sorry, for some reason my whole post did not post. It may have been my use of special characters
).
“That was just stupid.”
I agree. One of the biggest flaws I find with this show are the characters just being STUPID! Not asking questions when they should be. Not using perfectly usable underground stations, instead of camping on the beach. Not making sure dead people really are dead. Not sharing information with each other. Stupid. Stupid! STUPID!!
Thought you made your point pretty succinctly with the first post. Not checking Patchy’s pulse pales in comparison to Charlie locking himself into that room rather than exiting and locking the door. Jesus murphy!
Ya! Why not just type in the beach boys song while breathing in damn scuba suit anyway!? He like just runs over there and says. “FA LA LA….OK Desmond you go save yourself with a suit I’m gonna go die now.” I’M SO FU_CKING OVER THIS SHOW!!! NOW I’M JUST WATCHING TO SEE HOW STUPID IT GETS!
So I planned to watch the season finale tonight, but I got a call from a buddy who wanted to golf at 4:30. I figured we’d be done by 8:30 and I could get home by 9:00. Well, on the 17th hole, as it was getting dark, I asked my friend what time it was and he told me it was 8:45 and asked, “What do you have a rendez-vous planned with a girl?” and I responded, “No, I wish it was that, the truth is actually pretty embarrassing”. I finally admitted that I had some interest in watching the two hour Lost Jacktacular. He looked at me with a mix of shock and pity and commented, “I wish you hadn’t told me”. For the last two holes, I suffered through continual ribbing for being a Lost nerd.
Anyway, I finally got home at 9:45 and watched the remainder of the episode. Because I read all the spoilers (which were all accurate as far as I could tell), I didn’t feel that I had missed much. I am probably in the minority in this opinion, but I much prefer Jack’s burned out, drug addled, depressed, suicidal future identity to either his “island” or “past” personnas. Maybe it’s just because he listens to Nirvana on his car stereo. And yeah, Walt looked a lot like Greg Oden standing over Locke in the pit. I’m sure there is some “time dilation” explanation for his extraordinary growth spurt.
Someone finally beat the living tar out of Ben and, more surprisingly, Ben actually displayed lasting signs of getting thrashed to a bloody pulp. Every other time a character has been throttled, he/she appears in the next scene with nary a scratch. However, I couldn’t help feeling a little sorry for Ben as he laid there so helplessly with blood streaming down his battered face.
Maybe I missed something, but couldn’t Charlie have just swam through the porthole that Patchy detonated? Oh wait, I guess this week Charlie can’t swim again. Or better yet, he probably didn’t die at all. And yeah, Patchy himself is on about the seventh of his nine lives.
The big game changer didn’t do a lot for me probably because I had already read about it last week. It’s a somewhat interesting idea, but hardly worthy of season ending cliffhanger. Although it does provide one amazingly great side benefit: NO MORE FLASHBACKS! The writers finally got it through their thick skulls that the flashbacks have become repetitive, time wasting snore fests. So now we can look forward to a season (or half season I guess) of interesting flash forwards. At least they are making progress.
I didn’t know about the game-changer and it still did very little for me. And I think flash forwards are just as lame as flash backs. They are still trying to manufacture an interesting plot instead of just writing one.
And I agree about Charlie. He can swim all the way down from the surface, but he can’t swim out the window down and over to the entrance???
Pathetic.
no matter what he does, he will die. des said he drowns after flicking the switch and eveyone gets rescued, so he died.
just like how he died in all his otehr visions and things happened differently if he did not die.
he figured if he doesnt die, they still wont get rescued.
i thought the same thing as you, but not no more, this makes much more sense.
Other than Charley not dying those previous times, what evidence do we have that something changed since he didn’t die? It seems like the only evidence I heard about that theory was fan generated (like “since charley didn’t die from the arrow, it ended up being Naomi in the parachute instead of Penny”). I don’t remember specifics past about 5 minutes after the show is over so maybe I’m forgetting something.
what makes you think the flashbacks are over? I’m waiting for a flashforward, that has a flashback to now so we can all get answers to what happened yesterday.
Mrs. Meister
Charlie should know that he is not actually dead, except for his totally willful, spasmless drowning. There is a pocket of air just above his head since the water was pouring, in, say, about shoulder level through that (surprisingly fragile) porthole glass. Unless it’s the worst airlock in the world, designed simply to kill people, it should be airtight and all the air above the breakage should be there for, oh, I dunno, basically eternity, allowing Hobbit to breathe for a few hours and practice his (sporadic) swimming ability.
I’m in the middle of watching it right now (HST time zone) and other than too many commercials, not bad so far.
But, the highlight of the show so far: Scentless Apprentice by Nirvana blasting in Jack’s truck. I think that may be the first time ever that song has been played as background music in a network television show. Outstanding. One of my favs by my favorite band.
Tyler – I hadn’t even read your summary when I made my post. We were definitely on the same page on the song choice. One of the highlights of the episode.
i like losts original music,,, i did not like that song….
Which only proves you have shit for brains. One of the best rock songs of that era far & away.
a little harsh…
someone woke on the wrong side of the bed.
Mrs. Meister
This guy has been a thorn in my side for a long time, it’s not about just this one post.
heh heh…funny…preferring original television score to 40 seconds an excellent song by one of the most influential bands of the past 25 years.
sorry…forgot my hyperbole…the MOST KICK ASS song by the BEST BAND of the MOST AWESOME MUSIC GENRE ever created…ever!!!!
what hyperbole? All is see is well-known, scientically proven, and universally accepted fact!
What got me was in the sum up episode, they said “Desmond sacrificed himsel to key the failsafe, releasing the magnetic energy” – ie biggest waste of plot ever. also wasn’t that whole “is the countdown real debate” invalidated in the timeline when desmond saw wht started to happen after he was late pushing the button after kelvin died?
Ya what the hell? That was a big pre-ejac….what the hell ever happenend with the 108 min countdown number punching thing? As I recall not much. What the hatch emploded? Big deal. I hate this show. If Sawyer were dead I wouldn’t watch.
OK, so did anyone notice if the flashback noise was played backward to hint that it was actually a flash forward? I am curious if it was.
Here’s a nitpick… The lady crashing her car beacause she saw Jack standing on the bridge railing is totally BS: lone woman, 2:00 AM, Child in tow, westbound on the 6th st bridge in Los Angeles. Come on, 6th st runs from Boyle Heights to skid Row, now I am a big fan of Downtown Los Angeles, but my palms sweat just driving through skid row in the daytime not to mention at 2:00AM! & there is no way in hell a Rube would just get off the freeway there either, it’s pretty intimidating. So she had to be going to hook up some heroin, no doubt about it, & if she actually lived in the area she would unfortunately have been used to seeing things a hell of a lot more shocking than some junky jumper. Oh & there is no median on the 6th St. bridge either.
Lost still sucks folks, we now have a slightly smaller cast, a few more questions, but still no answers.
“OK, so did anyone notice if the flashback noise was played backward to hint that it was actually a flash forward? I am curious if it was.”
I dont know about that, but on http://www.thefuselage.com message board, someone pointed out that the name of the funeral home (”Hoff” something) was an anagram for “Flash Forward”.
Why didn’t Charlie just close the door from the other side? Or even if he couldn’t shut the door to stop the water rushing in why not just take a deep breath dive in and swim to the surface? If they could make it down they could make it back up. Takes less time and effort to get back to the surface. They’re not down deep enough to get the bends its just a bit off shore. Pearl divers go down much deeper right? My family watches this show but it bugs me. They just keep tossing out more shocking mysteries and nothing ever gets resolved. There’s no rhyme or reason for why some people stay dead and others resurect. I don’t think they know where they are going with it. People have all these elaborate theories and I think they’re just making it up as they go along. The romance stuff frustrates me too. I like my version better where Jack and Juliet run off together through some kind of time warp, then they have the island all to themselves. They hang out at the housing complex and make grilled cheese sandwiches. Being lost isn’t a bad thing if you’re stranded on a tropical paradise with a goddess munching grilled cheese sandwiches..
Another thing that didn’t ring true about the Charlie death scene was, after the room filled up with water, Charlie was just kind of floating around calmly. When someone is trapped underwater, no matter what the circumstances, his survival instinct will kick in at some point and he will try to do something to escape out of sheer panic. No one wants to drown alive, even someone who is bent on suicide. It would be a horrible way to go. But there is Charlie, unable to breathe, suspended underwater motionless with a faint smile on his face, as if he was getting ready to swim with the seals at Sea World.
Yeah. I laughed out loud at that one. That said although the whole drowning scene required some suspension of disbelief, it was a pretty touching nonetheless. I guess I’m a sappy Turkey.
I thought it was a fine death as well.
mmmmm grilled cheeeze
Well I think JonnyMushio or whatever his name is got this one, folks. Charlie believed he had to drown for Claire and the baby to be saved. Why else the smile? Maybe a little too trusting of Desmond’s precog, but in any case that’s pretty strong love, brutha.
i remember producers hinting at the game changer moment as “the house you are standing in has more rooms than you think” , i read that in spoiler site probably 2 weeks ago.
now how does that relate to that whole thing ? did jack and kate teleport from the island or something? if they were rescued by a ship, they might know where the island is. my best guess for their rescue is that they just awake somewhere outside the island, like cooper but vice-versa.
the bad guys from the rescue ship are probably sent by Hanso Foundation and now want to regain control of the island. its interesting how they know about penelope and desmond.
i think the ‘house’ analogy refers to the people you think are good guys (losties) vs. the people you think are bad guys (Others) and maybe that got flipped a little if the heli-pilot is part of the REAL bad guy crew.
The worst thing I can think of is Bi-polar Ben uniting he’s crew with Jack Lovejoy & The Losties, together preparing to fight some modern day Pirates of the Caribean -dudes approaching from the sea. Almighty Black Smoke, please don’t let it happen.
This is EXACTLY where this show is headed I’m afraid. Just a revolving door of stupid dimestore villians. Plus, if the survivors side with Ben after everything he’s done to them… just ridiculous.
w/o a doubt. it’s pretty standard formula, isn’t it?
Totally, they already did it. The tail-aways were “evil” once only to be good, and now the others are eeeevil only to be good again.
But I swear, I don’t know how much more evil you can get than baby-stealing, gun-toting, torturing, brainwashing others.
Unless Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao, Emperor Palpatine and an Army of Possessed Reagans from the Exorcist bearing machine guns that fire kittens get off that ship– unless all that happens, I’m not sure how much more evil you could make the other others.
But no, we have to believe the others are good. Up is down, Left is right and the writers of Lost suck.
The funeral Jack is going to is most likely for Ben or Locke.
They had this big thing with the flash forward. Why not take that and do it three episodes before the season end? so they can explore the plot development. Why not tell the story, why keep dancing around? Past, future it’s all the same crap just another way to give you little bits of information to tell you a story in the least interesting manner. Like season one, why have all the episodes be about getting ready to open the hatch. spend the last 4 episodes going into the hatch and exploring it instead of waiting for the next season.
this show is so frustrating!
“why keep dancing around?”
well…that’s been perhaps the biggest criticism of the show for 3 years now, eh? a big tease, a little dry hump, then nothing.
I edited out the commercials. Comes out at about 1h 23m of runtime. Pathetic finale – nothing memorable in all that mess.
It was a rather short coffin. Ben was implied.
I think saying anyone specific (well, we know it wasn’t Hurley because it wasn’t a piano box) was implied is an impossibility at this point. It could be someone we haven’t even met yet for that matter.
you don’t know that for sure. Maybe Hurley meets Richard Simmons and they start dancin to the oldies together.
Mrs. Meister
didn’t jack tear up when he read the obit? and called (presumably) kate? and then decided he needed to kill himself???
michael’s death wouldn’t do that…ben’s? doubtful. someone “important”? maybe. my guess is it’s someone significant who we haven’t met yet.
That’s really shitty if it’s the case, talk about a cheap ruse… I wouldn’t put it past these writers though.
I think it being Ben makes sense. Jack’s first call was to Juliette. No one shows for the funeral. No family, no friends. Kate’s reaction to the obit clipping. Keep in mind that Ben said that getting off the island via Jack’s plan was a big mistake. That’s pretty much what all those Jack flash forwards were about (anyone paying attention?). Ben was right, Jack was wrong. Tie that in with Jack’s obsession with trying to crash onto the island yet again and you can the logic of his suicidal slide.
Why do you say the first call was to Juliet? I figured it was to Kate as well & she hung up on him that time. He never mentions Juliet’s name does he?
I agree with Chris. Ben in the coffin is plausible if only because there is a suggestion that Ben’s warning to Jack about Parachute girl and her people turns out to be justified. This could presage a shift in loyalties and allegiances in the next season when Others and Survivors unite against hostile invaders. Who knows?!
That seems to be the angle they’re planning on taking which is just ridiculous. If it were me Ben would be just as dead as the Others on the beach. Why would you EVER think you could trust him?
Agreed, Ben should have been made toast a long time ago – mainly by the hands of his own sheeple. But what can I say, the writers love their bugeyed freak.
Sheeple. I like that. But why the death wish towards Ben. I think he adds some edge to the show. Although his sinister persona and the ominous sense of threat that he once exuded have been somewhat undermined by the Jacob/alcoholic father episodes, he remains one of the best actors on the show. He does what he can with what he is given. You can’t turn a steaming piece of turd into a diamond. Take away Ben and you remove much of the suspense and tension in the show. We want them to be preoccupied with something other than getting off the island. Otherwise this would be nothing more than a slightly grittier Gilligan’s.
Good point about the need for someone to be the focus of evil. I think the writers need to step it up – otherwise the show will continue its slide into staleness. This season, for quite a few episodes, the show asked us to come see what new twist Ben was up to. That’s what made this season such a sham. In the end, what did we glean from the Ben character? Not much. Mommie, dollie, bunny and daddie issues. Big deal. Waste him and lets get on with life.
The writers did it with Alias and milked the Sloan character for far too long. Lazy writing in my opinion. The evil needs to rotate among a few characters to keep things fresh.
What if it is Dr. Botox? Perhaps the Doc decides he loves her too. I am guessing it HAS to be a woman, not a man. I just don’t see a real man tearing up over another guy (oh wait…. Its Jack, forget the real man thing). But anyway thats what I think…
The newspaper clipping says “Man found dead”.
how come nobody got struck by this?
if the flashback was of the upcoming future, how come jack acts like his father is still alive?
first when he tries to get pills by his fathers prescription and then when he asks the chief surgeon to check if his father was more drunk than him
wasnt jack’s father dead and ended with his coffin on that island?
he wan’t in the coffin when jack opened it on the island..
i meant “wasn’t in the coffin”
I thought it was just a little attempt at trickery so the audience wouldn’t know it was the future. pretty weak. however, if christian ISN’T dead…then they should just retitle the show “nobody dies!”
I thought the same. The only times I remember him referring to his father was in the pharamacy in which case he could be just totally lying to get drugs and in the hallway to the chief of surgery in which case he was bombed out of his mind so he may have just been confused. I think it was just to make it seem like a flashback as long as possible.
There have been some pretty glaring omissions and inconsistencies on this show, but Jack’s reference to his father in the future was just too obvious to be accidental. My theory is that Jack and Kate have returned to a parallel universe. It would explain why the survivors are dead to the rest of the world and yet still alive on the island. Cooky yes, but possible nonetheless.
I think Jack was just super wasted & it was a stupid ruse so we would think it was a flashback.
the parallel (or multiple) universe theory is a hot one now, and it does make sense. but…
1. seems too easy an out for just about everything
2. the production team has said from the beginning that everything can be explained ’scientifically’….perhaps they mean ‘theoretically’?
Well unless monsters made of black boiling fuzz & magical healing islands that make cripples walk fall under the realm of the scientific… Yeah, I think theoretical is more likely.
The episode was entertaining, but, didn’t really leave me wanting for more. Could be I knew it was a future Jack falling apart. You almost could figure it out anyway since in all previous flashbacks he wasn’t a druggie/alcoholic. As far as the father issue, when the pharmacist (nice looking BTW) was going to call him, he seemed to not want her to do that.
The first hour was a wasted of time, too much build up.
I think like at least one other here that the funeral was for Ben, who else would die and no one come? And for Jack to say he’s neither a friend or family, makes me think it was Ben. Not sure where they are going with this, but I think Ben was right about Naomi not being who he thought she was, and since it wasn’t related to Penny, then it probably was Dharma people.
It appears that Locke and Rousseau stay on the island together. Maybe a few other Losties decided to stay. Ben seemed intent on protecting the Island, apparently it is some secret place that you can’t find.
Did anyone else notice that Walt had grown like a foot, and looked every bit of 5 years older, but his voice hadn’t changed? It’s like they recorded the lines a while back in prep for that scene, and if so then they aren’t lying when they say they have a master plan. Maybe they have some scenes shot for next season that were done a while back with him.
Frustrating. Still. Why would the two LG chicks say “we’re going to do this thing” instead of saying what exactly it is they do? And how ironic that a musician programmed the code so the Hobbit can be the hero, and then instead of running out of the room and closing the door, he dies stupidly. Or at least we think he does. Maybe Desmond puts on his gear, swims around and saves him. Anyone wonder how the LG chicks get food/water?
The show was intense, I’ll give it that. I liked being able to zip through commercials and not have to wait through all of them. It was a good episode, but I think they failed to deliver the great episode it needed to be to keep viewers. It will be interesting if they got more than the 12 million they normally get with the Idol final coinciding. I think one thing they should have done was get Ben to tell them the importance of the island, and they make reference to the temple but never show it. Why? That wouldn’t be enough to get me to come back if I was a new viewer. The only big “secret” we know is they got off the island. Is it really that enthralling that we know how? And if no one on the show but Jack cared about who died, why should we?
Final thoughts. I will be back to see what happens next season, unfortunately. The only thing that will prevent me from watching is I may be in Iraq or Afghanistan, but hey I can watch online I guess. It will limit my ability to rant about it here, though. I think they need to have a couple teaser episodes in December/January timeframe, more “answers” to entice people to watch (or more realistically remember to watch).
“that dude is like an unflushable turd” – Freaking funny!
perhaps you need to pre-write a few rants for next season ; )
i kid. good luck if you go.
this might be the 2nd time i say this…
I’m with tyler: a mixed bag. I certainly liked parts of it and thought some plot turns were actually done well (again, even if transparent – it’s all about the execution folks!). anyway, I mostly enjoyed it. and even though JT hates the disclaimers, it is easier to overlook the warts when you go into it knowing your looking at a toad…but quite an entertaining toad.
- I liked the flash forward, interesting perspective amd jack as dirtball worked for me
- I liked that Jack actually didn’t give in to ben knowing (or thinking) sayid et al would be shot; this show has failed to deliver so many times, I actually started to roll my eyes during that scene fully expecting jack to acquiesce…so maybe my pleasure is more a result of low expectations
- Similarly, I liked that sawyer cold shot zeke, not b/c i like murder but b/c i have to believe *normal* people would stop trusting those jackbags at some point!
- some fractures appearing in ben’s tribe, good, finally!
- jack a juliet kissed. sike! just seeing if you’re paying attention, that was gay…why do the losties act like a bunch of 7th graders?
- penelope just sitting by the video phone waiting to hear from the underwater station…um, whatever, but interesting wrinkle that it’s not her boat (thanks again to the production staff for introducing new mysteries before answering some old ones)
- walt’s back! camera angles tried to hide his growth, none the less having him back makes me feel like whatever relevance he had in season 1 wasn’t in vain
some of the things I didn’t like are a little nitpicky, and I tried to just write them off as sloppy story telling gimics…
- bernard totally pussing out and revealing all! of course he had to else how would they set up the jack/ben confrontation, etc
- charlie NOT getting out of the room when he clearly had time (and SCUBA tanks waiting!), again…set up the dramatic ‘hand on the window’ scene.
- hurley again acting like a friggin’ 8 year old (”let me come, huh? will ya? awww…shucks!”)…set up his death ride, which also ‘validated’ the earlier episode with the beer and the VW…see how it all comes together!?!?
“hurley again acting like a friggin’ 8 year old (”let me come, huh? will ya? awww…shucks!”)…set up his death ride, which also ‘validated’ the earlier episode with the beer and the VW…see how it all comes together!?!? ”
You are right…this is complexity never before seen in the annals of human literature.
Lame.
After that scene if you noticed you see Sawyer leaning on the van drinking another Dharma (TM) brew as well- SILLY!
Yeah, with that rugged Marlboro man look about him.
I liked that scene. I thought it was in character for Sawyer. And after what they’d done, a beer was definitely earned. But then again, who wants to be rewarded with a nice, HOT brew?
Mrs. Meister
Don’t get me wrong. That whole series of events starting with Hurley barreling out of the jungle was probably the best scene for the whole season. There was carnage, intensity, characters acting bad ass. It had it all.
Even though skeptic wasn’t serious, I think Nico and I were disparaging the idea that because hurley used the vw, that is an example of how interwoven everything is in this incredibly complex writing. The scene could have been equally as good with a different mechanism to set the whole thing in motion instead of the vw.
Yep, that sums it up. Wow! Ben’s dad, the beer, getting the van running- what a pay-off! Give me a break *barfs*… Here’s a nit-picky humdinger for you: Even if they would have gotten the van running by shoving it down the hill (which wouldn’t have worked even on tough, simple machine like a VW) how did Hurley get it to turn over this time? Not only would the battery be WAY too corroded to hold a charge that long; but what are the odds the alternator was still working as well? Once again, you call it nit-picking; I call it SILLY!
Assume a wizard made the VW work: did he also cast a spell to make it *soundless* as it plumets through the underbrush of a roadless beach? It’s just like the phantom bus: no sound, then WHAM! Someone is dead.
Perhaps the island heals machines the same way it heals people. I be the VW bus was once on cinder-blocks on someone’s front yard, with a bad alternator and corroded electrical lines. However, while it was being flown overseas for scap metal, the plane crashed on the island. The bus then re-grew tires and the alternator and wiring were mysteriously repaired. Now the bus can never leave the island or it revert to its original lowly state. Look for Locke and Rose to be driving in it next season.
Does that mean that hatches will start healing themselves all over the island?
Ooo, that’s a good one! Perhaps they will – wouldn’t put it past our crack writing staff (or writing staff on crack, whichever)
I had a feeling that the stupid VW bus would play some role in the finale after watching the producers in the recap show basically jacking off, bragging about how no one could have suspected the pivotal role the van had played in the history of the island. I guess we are supposed to be amazed that the bus was the scene of the beginning of Ben’s reign of terror over the island and in a (no, I will NOT it “ironic”) twist, the same bus helped to wipe out the Others.
So… who thinks they get off the island next season? I’m guessing Jack’s flash-forward (quite fankly, even without the spoilers it wouldn’t have been that hard to figure out as Jack has never been a pill popper in all the flashbacks we saw) is either one of many “possible realities” that could take place (if they were to get on Naomi’s ship, which of course they won’t since Des will come running up to warn them); or it’s what happens after the 2010 show conclusion.
The good: Anytime an Other was getting blown to shit, having their ass kicked, getting run over by the Dharma (TM) bus, having their neck snapped or getting shot in cold blood. Sawyer’s line to Smiley as he pops him: “This is for taking the kid” was absolutely sublime & a nice payoff to that early cliffhanger. Charlies death, no matter how implausible (I dunno’- I figured he couldn’t get out the porthole cause of the pressure difference as the water rushed in & by the time it equalized he was already dead. Why he shut the door…?) was like a sweet release. His character was interesting in season 1, but served no good purpose more recently.
The bad: The flash-forwards were poorly acted (another actor from Vegas? James Liesure as the head of surgery? wtf?) & boring. It REALLY showed me that Matt Fox was just cast for his pretty face. The very limited screen time of Locke was also very frustrating after the big “who is Jacob” episode. I knew there wouldn’t be any big pay-off, but throw me a bone. Those two James Bond villian reject ladies in the Looking Glass were just ridiculous, more bad acting. While we’re talking about the Looking Glass- you CAN”T play a tune on a keypad. It’s not possible, I’ve tried it. There’s just not enough different notes to play a song- so freakin’ silly. Overall as season enders go it was just a bit of a letdown. We know Desmond is going to run up & be all “those aren’t Penny’s friends!”. So know we have a NEW group of villians- Dharma/Others/Natives/Hostiles & now “the REAL bad guys”. They’re gonna’ have to build a giant resort on the island soon.
The ugly: Why is it they can do a very convincing looking missing eye on Patchy, but Jack’s beard looks like they glued a handful of barber clippings to his face? That fake beard was positively distracting in those scenes. Whomever does the wigs & beards on Lost should be fired post-haste.
“another actor from Vegas? James Liesure as the head of surgery? wtf?)”
i know…i’ve watched VEGAS, pure popcorn, and recognized him too. i half expected james caan to show up!
Yeah, they should’ve cast Nikki Cox as the show’s “Nikki”. She wouldn’t have had to change her name & would’ve jiggled just as well if not better (again, apologies all around).
re: the fake beard, agreed. but for me, i just don’t let those things distract me that much anymore. and that’s not an indication i *love* LOST, more that i simply don’t care that much anymore. same could be said for the keypad. corny? for sure! distracting? eh.
re: bad acting, i actually thought fox’s skills were perfectly suited for the druggie. he always acts overly pained and distressed, so why not make his character’s situation fit his acting skills?
i think you hit on the true problem with the show, they drag out situations/tension so long that any payoff end up being really weak (if the payoff ever happens).
The beard & the keypad could be considered nit picking for sure. However, more than that they were just plain SILLY & silly stuff really takes me out of the moment in this show to often (whether it’s a bad in-joke or a bad wig or a silly Hank Scorpioesque moment like the girls in the LG). I guess I’m just sick of seeing Jack whine like a bitch…
should be “too often”. Tyler, over the summer how about that edit feature? No, I won’t just let it go… I’m an asshole.
Being a druggie suited Matt well, he’s always twitching around like he has Tourette’s, and it actually worked in the flash-forwards. The beard was a-la Mr Friendly from when he wore it in Season 2.
jack scorpio…nice…
dude…i’ve been sick of jack for a long time. i guess at this point i feel like the criticisms i have of the show (e.g. jack’s a whiny wuss; they don’t resolve narrative’s well) will not change. so i have to decide whether i watch despite the flaws, or don’t watch.
i’ve vacilated hard this season, tuning out during many of the S3 episodes (since they were just flat out unfocused and sucked). but the nitpicking can go on forever, as it could for any show. that it matters for this show tells me the expectations were really high based on the high quality of S1 (they obviously couldn’t keep delivering).
i guess i sound like an apologist, i’m not. just…if i’m going to watch, i have to suffer through the silly (e.g. the exchange last night b/w ben and daughter, “why can’t you just let them go?!”, “because I can’t!!”….useless). for some reason, there’s still just enough pull for me to keep watching.
but we’ll see how i feel next winter.
I was thinking the same thing regarding Jack’s f*cked up future. As I remember, it’s been done many times in the various incarnations of Star Trek. The basic framework: the episode begins with an obviously older crew living in miserable circumstances. Then one of them discovers a way to manipulate time so as to prevent the horrible events that led to their pathetic condition from ever occurring. At the end, all is hunky dory again in the “present” and no one is even aware of the parallel time line in which they all turn out to be wretched losers.
Crap — totally lost my post but here is most of it:
Well summarized. That neck snap by Sayid was a sweet piece of fruit, dude. The body count last night, while somewhat excessive, was pretty satisfying. I counted 14. The “viewer discretion” warning was well deserved. Death by explosives, harpoon, the good ‘ol knife in the back and by grenade (would it have detonated in the water?). But more than that, I think that it may serve the loftier purpose of demonstrating that the survivors are becoming unhinged and dehumanized and are beginning to experience a kind of Lord of the Flies decadence.
Re Nico’s comment above: “I’m guessing Jack’s flash-forward … is either one of many “possible realities” that could take place…” There is ample support for this parallel universe theory and I think that’s where they are heading. It would also resolve the narrative “problem” of featuring forward flashes: your plot must invariably move towards that single denouement in that the ending is already predetermined… Hopefully, in the next season they will resolve this through a dream sequence à la Dallas or Desmond’s predictive powers. Much as I hate the sprawling mess that this story has become, I hate the idea that there could only be one outcome even more.
Overall, the episode was good but not as good as one would have expected for a season finale intended to bring people back for me. I think that Jack has somewhat redeemed himself. The Ben ass-whooping was lovely. And notwithstanding that he had cotton candy glued to his face, he displayed examplary stoicism and depth during the future scenes.
I’m not sure if I will continue to watch episodes every week next season or if I will hold out and rent the season. I have steadily reduced my consumption of television in the last year and I’m down to the news and this one show which despite its flaws still epitomized the best and the worst of American network television. Who am I kidding? I will probably be back for more when the season premiere airs. It hurts so good.
Whoops… I meant “back for MORE”. Hee hee. Interesting slip, though. Gobble gobble.
Thanks for the kind words Turk. I know you’ll be back next year, if I’m back there’s no way you’re holding out. Our shared disdain for 95% of the crap on TV will bring us together.
“your plot must invariably move towards that single denouement in that the ending is already predetermined”
unless, as speculated, they move the perspective to present day with flashbacks to the island. present day continues to move towards a different (or same?) denouement.
Yeah, that would certainly be a great way to tap into new and more convoluted plot lines. Develop the present and flash back to the past (i.e. current season). Explains how they will manage to prolong the agony until 2010.
Well, overall this episode has much to like and much to dislike. Lots of you summed it up nicely here.
Very happy that Locke is alive. Was hoping beyond hope that somehow he would shoot Jack in the head, which would have made my year, but with the gay flash forward I figured that wouldn’t happen. Really pissed the way he knifed the phone-chick, but then mopes off around the building after not killing Jack-ass – looked Wussy to me.
Actually loved Hurley on the bus flattening the other – I was actually worried Hurley was shot. Guess I don’t loathe him as much as I thought. And the Sayid neck snap Sawyer gun down was priceless. Bye-bye Zeek!
I am a bit bummed by the fact that they are indicating at least someone gets off the island somehow. I mean, that was one mystery I really wanted to last until the end. So many other questions were left unanswered (again) that were far more important to me. Isn’t the whole point of the title “LOST” to indicate “I wonder if they are ever found?” Now I know and that was frustrating.
I will be there and here in Feb, in spite of Laurent’s rude comments. Look forward to hearing all of you as well.
i get your point, i think (again i’m becoming an apologist??!!) that it would actually be a worthwhile gamble to have at least some of the remaining episodes take place off-island, present time. showing how they got there and showing them trying to get back.
Can’t really put ALL the blame on Laurent if we’re being fair. I sensed a distinct bit of xenophobia eminating from your side of the whole sordid episode. Laurent was a solid member of this community long befoe you & the Mrs. showed up, so have at least a little bit of respect.
I tried to stay out of the whole “Ugly American” versus “French snob” battle that was going on a couple of weeks ago. I’m not sure if that is what drove Laurent away from this site, but I definitely miss his unique, often difficult to fathom commentary of Lost.
I too tried to stay out of it, but I fear that is indeed one of the things that drove our Frech friend away. Well, he seems stubborn- I’m betting he’ll be back next year.
You all sound pretty self righteous. Take a look at some of your posts, I have seen much worse. Laurent started it in my opinion. Hey, if you don’t want us here simply ask, and we will oblige. If not, then back off.
Ever the conciliator, Turkey steps in to re-establish peace and order. Easy now, Lmeister. You are at least as self-righteous as everyone else around here. As for Laurent, I do miss his ascerbic wit and particular brand of sophisticated Euro trash talk. Although most of his posts were entirely Lost (haha) on my feeble mind, they really elevated the tone around here. LMeister’s participation and Mrs. Meister’s unflappable good humour and sharp commentary are also much appreciated. In closing, I think that we are the children, we are the world, we are the ones who make a better day so let’s start giving…
Oh alright already, you’re making me cry….Laurent if you come back I promise I won’t make anymore anti-French comments. I miss your commentary too and I apologize for antagonizing you too much. C’mon and post, will ya? You have to have some cool stuff to say about this episode! It was too full of juicy stuff not to want to comment, right?
That reminds me, I have some french military rifles, never fired and only dropped once….
somewhere in vegas, a lone drummer gives an approving rim-shot
ba-dump-tsssssssssss
Lmeister, you are correct in assessing me as “self-righteous”. Sometimes, when I re-read my own posts, I am aghast at what a trumped up blowhard I can sometimes be. It is nice though, that at this website, there are those who seem to be cut from the same cloth and who are not overly sensitive about having their positions challenged. That being said, in my earlier post commenting on your “war” with Laurent, I was not attempting to place a value judgment on who was right in the argument. If anything, it is Laurent who overreacted by leaving in a huff over the whole thing. I also purposely stayed out of that prolonged religious thread last week, believing that my own non-conforming theological beliefs might lead to an impassioned flame fest over something completely non-Lost related. It was an interesting discussion however. I don’t know if this clarifies my position at all, but whatever I wrote earlier was not meant to personally offend anyone.
Thats cool dude, no offense taken.
Yeah, I even stayed out of the religion debate and I apparently was the one who started it with the infamous “quarter” analogy. I just thought it was all especially funny because even though it was Mrs. Meister who initially was worked up in response to my (and others) posting, I’m betting that she and I are very close to being on the same page on the God thing but from my post it appeared that I might be disparaging people who believe in divine intervention. Not at all the case. I believe that sometimes when you find a quarter on the ground, it may very well be the Big Guy helping you out. But, I’m also convinced that at least some of the times, it’s just because someone dropped a quarter. And that was my point. In Lost, some of the stuff is intended to be related to the overall theme (clues, if you will) but NOT every little thing. But, if you are a superfan and WANT to believe in the extreme complexity of the show, then you will see EVERY single quarter on the ground as being placed there by God.
Okay, had to get that off my chest. The last thing I wanted was to end up sounding like Mrs. Meister thought I sounded.
sorry for misinterpreting you. Everything is cool, no one is worked up.
But I’ll stop at that, too early for a tangent.
Mrs. Meister
Forgot to add that I missed the whole Meisters vs Laurent showdown a couple of weeks ago (now you’ve made me curious) but Laurent initially rubbed me the wrong way as well. I will be the first to admit , however, that I was pretty susceptible when I first came on to this site being a blog virgin and all. Since then I’ve developed some “rules to post by”. (1) I don’t take things personally – this is a one-dimensionial medium and it is impossible to know who is at the other end; (2) I try to criticize the post not the poster; (3) I avoid politics — feathers will invariably get ruffled and frankly, I don’t want to know that Ty, Nico, JT and Stickman burn crosses on the weekends (this is just an example, guys); (4) I don’t insult or disparage other posters without provocation or when they are clearly not around to defend themselves; (5) I don’t “police” the site and attempt to control other people’s speech (I’ve definitely been guilty of this and I regret doing it – there is a difference between silencing others and sharing your opinion); and (6) I try to remember that posting here is supposed to be light fun and therapy for recovering Lostaholics.
I’m not trying to lecture you; just sharing my tactics for how to stay happy while posting here.
I’ve never really had any problem with anybody other than the rabid fanboys that lasted longer than a post or two. I certainly didn’t mean to imply I didn’t want the Meisters around, far from it. I’m just saying that from my own personal experience these little battles never tend to have a winner if you get my drift.
laurent’s an instigator. i didn’t read the french/american war part II, but if he left b/c of barbs thrown his way…well…people in glass houses or something to that effect.
points 1 & 2 are the most useful for internet blog/forum survival. one reason i actually return to this site is by and large the ‘attacks’ are on post content, not the poster’s inability to get hard or lack of intellectual capacity.
now stop lecturing me.
Suck my drumstick, Skeptic. Ahh shux, you know I love ya, dawg. Having now gone to look at the exchange in question, I agree that Laurent was the more vitriolic party. Don’t know why he bailed, though. He can certainly give as good as he gets.
Sorry, guys. The Fanboy Hat is going on again.
I fucking LOVED it — not because I was blown away by the reveal (I was spoiled, which I’ll reiterate was a colossally stupid move on my part), but because I thought it was fantastic television, period. This all goes back to my entire “I watch television for the entertainment value” contention, and that pretty much sums it up. I was thoroughly entertained. Thoroughly.
Sure, we could go back and find things wrong with it, but I think it’d be a little disingenuous to say that the bads outweighed the goods, so to speak. I think that anyone, regardless of how disenchanted they are with the show since season one, would say that the episode was mostly good. Shit, I think even Tyler might agree, even though he’s technically unable to due to the nature of this site. I know that Nico and his other half enjoyed the episode. You don’t have to even say it, bro. And my boy Tommy over there, who is near-legendary with his criticism of Lost, is actually pretty positive in his review. It’s like fucking Christmas, I tell you!
That being said, Nico — I know you hate her — how’re you feeling about Juliet as Jack’s new squeeze? I’m personally thrilled, because this might spell an end to the Jack/Kate/Sawyer shit that I will continue bitching about for as long as it’s a factor on the show. And I’ll just defend her against a preemptive “Dr. Botox” by saying she had a number of facial expressions last night (I’ve always said that, but no one believes me!)
Anyway. All in all, loved it. Awesome. What the HELL are we going to do on this site until next year?
That’s really the big cliff hanger as far as I’m concerned -what the hell am I going to do with my copious amounts of downtime at work now?
Yeah. Same here. The shock hasn’t set in yet for me.
“because this might spell an end to the Jack/Kate/Sawyer shit that I will continue bitching about for as long as it’s a factor on the show. ”
glad you enjoyed. but the ham-handed approach to a “love story” is one of the elements that made this show suck in the first place. this is still a weight dragging it down. jack says “kate I love you”, then kisses juliet in front of kate??? that just turned the triangle into a quadrangle of boring lovers nobody cares about!
i liked more than I didn’t about this episode, but c’mon…some of these parts are still just poorly executed and it’d be a tighter show w/o all that crap.
Oh, I concur, 100%. There were definitely a few sloppily executed elements to last night, particularly the creation of a fucking quadrangle, like you said. If they had just left it after Juliet kissed Jack, with no yawn-inducing “I love you” to Kate, then I think it would have worked better, emotionally and story-wise. Instead, it’s like they’re four sophomore high school students at Craphole Island High.
Ben bugged me, too, as he seems entirely unable of giving ANYONE a straight answer. He could have headed off the evil people or whoever now traveling to the island by saying “Jack, there are some evil people coming to the island that will fuck it up if you send that signal.” But I could chalk that up to his character being a lying asshole, I guess.
I dunno’… the context in which he said he loved Kate wasn’t the same as if he actually said it outright to her. He was referring to the fact he didn’t want her to get hurt just in case she was pregnant which makes sense anyway. For him to say essentially: “I care about you enough to not want your unborn child to be harmed, even though I kind of wish it was OUR unborn child” seemed almost realistic.
c’mon…stay consistent, you’re giving the show/writers too much credit. obviously given his obsessed state in the future, he LOVES loves her. not like a sister, but like a “i wanna bend you over the counter” way.
…and he loves his ex-wife…
…and he loves juliet…
he obviously had mommie issues and needs acceptance from women.
Oh no, I think he loves her in the manner you described so eloquently. I’m just saying that it seemed a fairly natural thing to say at that particular moment. Yes, clearly Jack falls in love with every woman who looks at him for more than a second. Can a passionate embrace between he & Rose be far away?
ha! oh brother…”dentist fight brain surgeon for love of 55 year old woman”
What struck me was the awkward way Jack said “I love you” to Kate. I doubt it was intended that way, but, to me, it seemed like it was the first time in Jack’s life he had ever said “I love you” to anyone (except to himself in the mirror). It was a little like a kid being forced to say “I love you” to his smelly grandmother.
Hey, my grandmother is hardly smelly at all!
I know I am clearly the minority here, BUT I like the relational thing here with Kate & Sawyer. Now, I’ve never much cared for the doc or understood Kate’s attraction to him. So, I agree the love triangle / square is lame and needs to go, but I’d rather see Kate choose Sawyer once and for all & for them to be a couple and just take Jack out of their equation. I also think Kate is very pretty and I like her character. This was one thing I was surprised you men didn’t like. As for Jack & Botox, this is one relationship I couldn’t care less about. It is probably ’cause I don’t like either character over all.
Mrs. Meister
It would probably be less annoying if Evangeline Lilly could act her way out of wet paper bag. She’s just awful & a pretty face doesn’t make up for it. Besides which for the 100th time: Kate is not my type. I like women with hips & an ass, Kate has the body of a ironing board with 2 plumbs on it.
Yes it was entertaining. Jack loves Kate, not Dr. Botox (he he), and the implication is Kate ended up with Sawyer after the island. She also got the Golden ticket from Oceanic, so obviously she’s no longer a fugitive. From a fan boy perspective, I liked it for it’s “lostness” if that makes any sense, but hated it for the same reasons I’ve hated most episodes, the big questions mystery with the “others” went unanswered. I just don’t see where they are going by revealing they got off. How are they going to go 3 more seasons, if indeed this last episode was briefly before they were rescued. Obviously, they don’t get off the island at this point. Maybe a few do, and the rest have to stay, who knows. The producers have said that the show is about the past, present and future, now we’ve seen all three parts. I think now the direction of the show is going to be starting with Jack meeting Kate, and then working back to what happened after the phone call. So, they’re not done with the island. FIgure 2 seasons of them still on it, then last season off with a return to the island to solve the mysteries. Series over. I can go back to my life now.
The scenario you describe at the end of your post made me vomit a little. I just sounds like getting teeth pulled sans anasthetic.
Wow – If the plan is anything like that, cancel my subscription now.
The writer at EW has no way to be sure but thinks that from now on we’ll get flashforwards instead of flashbacks all the time. I guess the writers realized the well was dry & the audience was tiring of the flashbacks. Now they’ve found a new way to create filler while nothing happens on the island.
Wait, how is Juliet Jack’s new squeeze? As I remember it, one second he is kissing Juliet (really frigid passionless kiss), the next he is telling Kate he loves her (we’re on what, day 46?).
So either Jack is 7 and needs to make Kate jealous, or he is just trying to get as much “hatch” as he can by playing both women.
Actually that was what stuck in my mind. Wait, now Jack loves Juliet? I’m glad we were spared the flashbacks to that bore-fest, but could they at least not then have Jack tell Kate he loves her *like we care*.
And seriously, Kate may be a stupid gap tooth tramp, but Juliet looks like she was frozen with Han Salo in carbonite and then had her face run over with the Millenium Falcon. I don’t know where that metaphor came from, but her face is ugly.
I actually enjoyed Charlie in this episode. His belligerence to the Bond girls was enjoyable.
Again, Sayid and Sawyer rediscovering their inner bad-ass was a highlight for me.
The episode was entertaining and I would consider it a very good episode…if it was a normal mid-season episode. This is the type of stuff that should be advancing on a week to week basis. Okay, not EVERY week but at least often. But as a “game changing” cliffhanger season finale? Come on. It was very interesting to me afterward that I realized I have absolutely ZERO feeling of “oh my, what is going to happen?”
I had more anticipation when they left us hanging for 2 weeks wondering who Cartman’s father was?
I agree that if the coffin person is someone yet to be introduced that is colossally retarded.
The manner in which charlie died was extremely stupid. Patchy hadn’t even blown the window at the time charlie went over and slammed the door. Close it from the outside moron. Someone above said it perfectly: Lazy writing.
If they would produce a few more episodes like last night except in the middle of the season, I might be more inclined to stick around. But honestly, I’m not sure if I’ll still have any interest left by January. If I could manage to quit watching West Wing the last half of the last season when it got boring and “forced” then I can certainly walk away from this piece of crap.
well said…my setiments indeed.
there were many strong points in the episode, but that should be the rule, not the exception.
Why does it take 5+ episodes to get to the “temple” and it takes them only 20 minutes to get to the tower or the beach? Did the others leave their comfortable homes and set up camp 10 minutes away. Why even introduced the stupid trek to the TEMPLE of the BOX of unanswered questions.
It appears the temple is a geographical oddity- exacty 2 weeks away from everywhere…
With apologies to the Cohen Brothers…
according to lost, the ansers, the whole island is a magic box, and the dead ppl walking around on the island are connected to the monster, which will be explained in the last season in 2010.
Thanks for the info we already knew fanboy, but didn’t we chase you away like 3 times already?
I already told everyone the smoke monster is Odo, move on would you.
Mrs. Meister
You know, the still picture of “Jacob” kind of looked like the guy who played Odo. Is that what you are saying? I don’t think he has gotten any work lately, so I guess he is Jacob.
Specifically I was saying Odo is the smoke monster, however, I also suggested that he is responsible for all the other dead people walking around as well as Jacob. So yes, that is what I am saying, fictitiously. Wouldn’t that be a hoot if it did end up being the same actor. I guess we shall see, eventually…, maybe.
Mrs. Meister
Hey I have a suggestion (with tongue firmly implanted in cheek) as to how to keep this site going for a little while. ABC is heavily promoting some new program called “Who is Will Traveler?” (which looks to be a Lost/Heroes ripoff) which will begin airing next Wednesday. At least until that show is inevitably canceled, we could focus our comments on how much that series sucks — which I have no doubt it will.
No way am I watching that POS! Have fun though.
Lord no, even my financee who has some just God-awful taste in TV laughed at the preview for that one.
We can devote the site to what an awesome football team the RAVENS are and each week talk about how great their game was as they defeat all their LOSER foes. Especially teams like the Redskins and the Steelers and the lowly Cowboys.
Mrs. Meister
Just change Ravens to Bears & I’m just fine with it.
If you haven’t seen this picture, go check out item #7015400982 on ebay.
Don’t go driving the price up on me now!!! I must have it!!!
Would we call that look: Blue Steel? Ferrari? or Magnum?
I do not have much to comment on when it comes to the actual plot of last night’s season finale. Most of you (JT you are a bag) have done a good job of summarizing the episode and its glaring weaknesses. Simply put, the episode was written poorly, acted horribly, and directed like shit. Horrible, horrible, direction.
What I will say is this: despite my earlier comments about Kate, who wouldn’t bang the *ucking *hit out of her? She is fucking hotttttt.
She still can’t act worth a shit (I cringed during her scene at the river with Sawyer) and her character is boring (whore), but I would lay the pipe until I looked like a Holocaust survivor.
Later
P.S. JJ Abram’s mother sucks cock in hell. Pisssssssssssss
Haha, suck it, douche. Pretty much no one has summarized any *glaring* weaknesses, and most people seem to have a pretty positive view of the episode, in my view. Your comments, by the way, suck ass and lend, like, nothing to the discussion. So again, suck it.
By the way, the episode kicked ass. Tool.
totally disagree with BigJim:
- Great episode. Rich writing, great acting, nice computer graphics.
- Kate isn’t hot.
I agree with everything except I don’t think JT is a bag (most of the time, heh, heh…) & I don’t think Kate is hot I think she looks like a wet rat. Just mho.
Thanks, bro.
Come on. She looked pretty good during her clandestine meeting with Jack in the future. Her teeth were barely visible, dude.
She recently had her teeth fixed. They look a lot better, I’ll give you that- more even & less rat like. I don’t know, she’s kind of conventionally attractive & that’s just not to my taste. I like exotic women who look unique (at least compared to the average hot TV babe). I mean, the girl who plays Claire is gorgeous by most standards (those green eyes are just too much!) but I just don’t really dig blondes either.
They weren’t reallly fixed, she just had her right front tooth shaved a little to make it even with the left. Still has rabbit teeth.
I like redheads, but Claire has my vote. Though she’s a little skinny for my tastes.
that is ok Nico, I’m glad LMeister likes blondes.
(Is there any way to stick you tongue out at someone using the keys?)
Mrs. Meister
Yes indeed, it looks like this ; P
in that case,
;p at you.
Mrs.Meister
HA! You guys are both the shit! Once again this site gave me such a rolling belly laugh I had the entire office staring at me. Too funny…
I have literally done nothing at work today.
I love it.
Kate is definitely hot. True – she can’t act worth crap but nice to look at. Thinking back to the first season when she was half naked all the time…Nice…Nice.
I keep hoping I’ll bump into her sometime here on Oahu but I have a sneaking suspicion she hangs with a different crowd than I.
I couldn’t agree with you more (though I don’t agree about “Kate’s” um… snuggle-able-ness.). I watched the whole thing thinking to myself that it was as lame as every other episode. Just longer and more tedious to endure, perhaps even more so since I kept waiting for something awesome to happen…
However, I did enjoy Charlie in this episode which just goes to show how woefully under written each character is, he finally becomes amusing and fun to watch, finally, and then he dies… Oh well done LOST well done. Brraaavooo. Best written show on TV. *Note: Sarcasm*
lol how can anyone with terrible acting skills and same facial expression all the time(dr botox2) be hot? you guys position yourself as very smart and show weird taste :p
My votes for two best looking ladies of Lost are Alex & Sun.
I’ll give you Sun, but Alex is a bit of a stretch for me…
I like the Jewy looking ones, what can I say? I think Tania Raymonde & Sarah Silverman are gorgeous!
I think Rousseau and Rose are deeeelicious. Slurp.
Yes, Rousseau’s “European style” armpit hair really turns me on. At least it’s more realistic. Unless of course the Dharma(TM) supply plane (that continues to drop off supplies for people that have been dead for 20 years) dropped off a load of Lady Bicks.
LOL!!! Rousseau must really be pissed off being the only chick on the island that never gets to shower, shave, perfume and put makeup on!
What exactly does intelligence have to do with liking or disliking a character/actress?
if you like what I like you are intelligent, and if you don’t, well, then you simply are not.
Mrs. Meister
Are there any comments on the big “pre-finale” Lost Answers show?
I watched the first five minutes and after hearing the two douchebag creators spout all their pretentious drivel with an air of undying smugness I had to change it. I really couldn’t have cared less about the content anyway but there was nothing else on so I started watching it but it those two talking made me near the point of seizure like that dude who would go into convulsions when he heard Mary Hart’s voice.
Those two clearly love the smell of their own farts.
I just wanted to jump through the screen & smack the grins off their faces. I wanted to beat them the way Jack beat Ben & demand some REAL answers. You get the point… Nothing turns me off more than crass self promotion.
It was pretty shameless drivel.
I thought it was really obvious why Charlie closed the door from inside. Desmond saw Penelope on the screen, and he was trying to get inside. Charlie saw the grenade, Desmond did not. Charlie knew he wouldn’t have time to explain what was going on to Desmond before the grenade went off, so he sacrificed himself for Desmond.
Now, is it the most logical, neatly wrapped-up story in the world? No. But watching 2 seconds of that show requires a suspension of disbelief. Relax. Enjoy the show. Or, if it’s not your cup of tea, don’t. But it’s certainly not “lazy writing”.
As for swimming out the porthole, yeah it looked like he probably could have fit. Blame the set designers for making the hole look too big, not the writers for tying up a loose end that they’ve been toying with for weeks, and doing it in an interesting way.
I didn’t have any problem with the way Charlie went out. Did it make perfect sense? No, but it didn’t have to- I thought the scenes in the LG were some of The Hobbits (sorry, coudn’t resist one last time) best acting ever (even against those AWFUL bimbettes, I mean all they needed was some more glistening cleavage & they could have been Ursala Andres in Thunderball fer Chrissakes). The character had outlived his story arc & it was simply time to go.
Ursula Andress was in Thunderball?
Mark, are you from Chicago too?
Yep! Not originally, but I’ve lived here for a couple of years. Go Cubs and whatnot.
Nice, if you would’ve said Sox I would’ve asked Tyler to ban you for sure… I followed your link, looks like some fun stuff.
Thanks, yeah, we try to put some good nonsense on there.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot the absolute most laughable moment of last nights finale. When we think Jin, Sawyer & Bernard are dead (well… I didn’t, but they acted as if they thought the audience really bought it) & we cut to Smiley & friends on the beach. They are talking as if our trio of heroes are dead until- *BIG PAN OVER SHOT* we see they ACTUALLY SHOT THE SAND!!!! My finacee & I both laughed out loud at how clunky, obvious & poorly directed that shot was.
amen
My favorite laugher moment is when Ben tells Alex that Rousseau is her mother, then Rousseau, after 16 years apart from her daughter, lovingly caresses her face and utters these precious words “Would you like to help me tie him up?” I busted out laughing!
Yep. That one definitely wins the prize. Snort. That was high voltage crap and by far the most ridiculously hilarious moment in the epi, followed closely by Hurley’s glorious hit and run rescue. See: fat people CAN contribute meaningfully to the community.
I agree that that scene wins the most laughable moment award. For honorable mention, I chortled a bit when Hurley talked into the walkie-talkie he secured from Mr. Friendly’s corpse, thinking he was addressing the Others: “Hey Others, we killed all of your people so leave us alone and stay away from our beach . . .” I know that wasn’t the actual line (the actual line was much funnier).
I totally missed that line. I saw the face caressing but didn’t hear that line. Hilarious.
Also, wasn’t there an interaction earlier in the season (around the time of the sneaking into the other’s village and blowing up the sub) Rousseau and Ben that made it appear they didn’t even know each other? I remember it being discussed at the time as part of a “ben must not be her real father” thought but I can’t remember the specifics.
As I recall, the sub epi was the first time Rousseau actually sees Alex, but for whatever reason, she does not approach her, but rather hides in the bushes and disappears. I thought that was pretty odd when I saw it.
I thought when rousseau elbowed Ben while tied to the tree was the funniest moment.
ha! that was truly excellent…straight out of sketch comedy 101.
truly smart writing.
I immediately thought of Alex tying me up, which made that part of the episode extra special for me.
Blargh!
I can’t believe we have to wait so long for Season 4!
Ok just a few little things to add to the numerous rants above.
#1 Charlie was (according to Desmond) supposed to “flip a switch” not punch in a code.
#2 Walt’s dog was at the radio tower… is this significant? Has it been on the island all this time? Did I miss something? …Does this even matter?
#3 Why doesn’t jack have a huge sasquatch beard on the island? Keepin’ it nice for his ladies I guess…
Ummm #4 Charlie could of defiantly fit through the porthole.
#5 Patchy has been electrocuted, shot, and now blown up… 20 bucks says he’s still alive …he really is a terd.
Ok #6 Bernard is clearly not Rambo. But at least the dentist has better aim than Jin.
#7 Hurley and his VW van… COME ON! ‘nuff said.
But… in spite of all of this, I must admit that season 3 was quite entertaining.
Can’t wait to see what the writers have cooked up for season 4.
Answered questions? NO!
People dying? HELL NO!
New characters and irrelevant plot twists? YES!
Talk to you all in the fall!
Try next February. Lost won’t return until then. And a dollar says we still won’t get much further until episode 15 of season 4.
They are totally in their room cooking up a new Magic Turtle right now.
So I guess this make Kate & Jack last men standing.
Which sucks for me because I hate both those characters.
I think the Lost writer and producer put their money on the wrong horse.
no kidding! if we suffer through an attrition of characters with only those two remaining…ugh!
I think more than that survived, implication is Sawyer is alive also.
Yeah…
That really doesn’t help.
3 more years of Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle is even less appealing than enduring the first 2.
The ending sucks.
When the first flash foward showed up on screen I thought “Jack haves a beard…hmmm this is the future…” It was SO OBVIOUS… I mean… blagh.. but I stick to it… The only good part was when sayid snap that guy’s neck, and when sayer finally became a men… The rest sucked BIG TIME… after the season ended I felt empty, I needed my money back, but I wasn’t at the movies….
They should of showed something more interesting, like the locke part of the story or some Desmond flashback or visions… but no, just jack and the flash foward….
I mean, I know is science fiction, but please!, don’t treat your fans like cows… Season 1, I was a fan…
Season 2, I was a fan…
Season 3, I hate the damn show and not in a good way, I’am done with lost. Chao, Se acabo!.
Finally.
The magic turtle would of been a better ending…. for real…
PS: sorry for my english, I am from South America, Chile.
North American Greetings
Regreserá, mi amigo, regreserá. Le quiero “Perdido” y usted mirará.
Oops – Quiere “Perdido” not Le quiero!
show off!
Mrs.Meister
Sorry, I’m proficient in Spanish (not fluent, just know a bit), have taken Russian (preevyet=hello in Russian) and recently took Arabic, though I can only read Arabic and know about 400 words or so. I like languages, and they seem to come easy to me. Except French. Fous le camp! (for Laurent, I know you’re still reading you pompous non bathing perfume wearing frog!)
You’re bad. How do you expect L to keep his promise when you tempt him so.
And I was just teasing of course, I’m just jealous. I wish I could speak another language.
Thanks for your service to our country. Thank you for the sacrifice from you and your family.
Mrs. Meister
You’re very welcome. After nearly 20 years of service, I can’t imagine doing anything else. The thought of getting up and not putting on a uniform is scary.
A plug for my fellow service buddies, please remember us this weekend as we remember the sacrifices of those who have fallen before us. My memories go out to A1C John Raven and A1C Curt Green, killed in the Phillipines May 15, 1990 by the NPA. They were 20 and 19, respectively and were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
That sucks man, a friend of mine in college was killed during a training excercise on a weekend with the Army Reserve. During times of war or peace it’s a dangerous job and right now- well I don’t have to tell you do I? Sometimes it pains me when people fail to realize that soldiers aren’t affected by politics. They follow orders because that’s what they have to do in order to keep us all safe regardless of their personal feelings.
Much love & respect to all those who serve this country.
I wish we wouldn’t do that here. And while we’re at it, let’s not forget that there is no such thing as “this country” in an online discussion forum about a show that is broadcast around the world.
This is the Turk, signing off from CANADA. Peace out. I will miss you guys! Will check in once in a while to see whazzup…
You know Turk, that post really irritates me.
Why should me thanking Preev for his service to YES, OUR COUNTRY, bother YOU. I don’t care where you live, I would hope you have a thankful heart to those that serve in YOUR military. So, get over it. And the thought of him (Preevyet) possibly not being around to post next year due to his service, well that makes me want to thank him all the more, so Preevyet, thanks again sir for all that you do to keep our country safe. All the Meisters appreciate your sacrifice.
Mrs. Meister
Hey, it’s no sacrifice, I make really good money!
Seriously though, Turk is correct in that this is not just a USA board, and my apologies for forgetting that. However, Turk should realize that there are Canadian forces working with us in Afghanistan and Iraq, and though small in number, Canadians are an important part of the coalition effort. Most people don’t realize all the countries who work with us, about 100 or so give or take that without their support we wouldn’t be able to do what we do. I have personally worked with Dutch, British, Jamaican, Spanish, Chilean, Romanian, Canadian, Ukrainian, Bahraini, Tunisian, Turkish, German, Moroccan, Qatari, Georgian, Thai, Singaporian, Phillipino, Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese, Australian, and yes folks, believe it – French forces. While we sometimes have leaders that don’t agree politically, all soldiers share a common bond, and though we harass our French guy, I can say from a personal view point that I worked with a French Marine, bad ass my friends. If they ever decide to fight, look out (sorry couldn’t resist).
We (USA that is) live in a free country and enjoy freedoms that others don’t, if you ever think it’s bad here, spend some time in a country that isn’t the USA or Canada. I’ve lived in Korea for a year, spent time in the Phillipines, Bahrain, and Qatar, and there is nothing like the good old US of A.
Yes, lost is an international show, shot in the USA, with Australian, English, Canadian, Croatian, Korean, and Scottish/Peruvian actors.
money is just one issue, there are many sacrifices you make. Being away from your family I would think is one of the hardest.
And I still don’t understand how me thanking you for your service can in ANY way be offensive to anyone. That was my point.
Mrs. Meister
Really Turk, it WAS Memorial Day here yesterday in the States so you’ll just have to forgive me. I guess seeing all those images of flag draped coffins just gives one reason to pause & reflect.
You know, being deployed is like crashing on a tropical island. You just have to watch out for the “others”.
Yes, I miss the family and this time might be harder since my daughter will be in her first year of school (pre-school), but with video and e-mail and photos, you aren’t that far away. Besides, I want to get fluent in Arabic, and I’ve plateaued (sp?) and a trip to Iraq would help out.
I just didn’t want people to forget about our coalition brethren, and if Turk was offended, then oh well, shouldn’t be on this board. We’re very offensive.
I also just want to say a word about what we make, it’s public knowledge so here’s my take. I have a base salary of about $62K a year, with benefits it’s about $100K a year. Most of the guys on the front lines make about $15K a year, with benefits it’s like $30K. Our medical is free, family members may occasionally have to pay some out of pocket but in my time in, it’s all been free, and that includes medicines.
Now, in contrast, our Hollywood hypocrites make millions for “acting” in a movie then use their power and influence to criticize our leadership. Teachers make maybe $40K a year if they are lucky, police officers can expect about $50K at most, and most small cities pay half that. We’re upside down in this world.
Is it worth $100K a year to put my life on the line? Yes, in my eyes I believe it is my job to do what others can’t or won’t do. I was in the first gulf war earning about $12K a year, and it was worth it. It is an honor to serve, and it’s hard to explain but it is and has been my life for nearly 20 years so I can’t imagine doing anything else. I really don’t ask for thanks, and to me it’s embarrassing when people thank me for doing my job. We all have a job to do, mine just has a higher mortality rate.
Sorry for the tangent, but since Lost is over I’m at a loss to think of anything new to say about it.
Preevyet, thank you for your relatively balanced response to my post. It would be difficult to ignore that Canada has troops in Afghanistan. And your point is taken as well, Nico. Canada has suffered the highest number of casualties in combat since the Korean war. That is all that I will deign to say on the subject because in MY humble opinion (and that was my ONLY point — take it or leave it) this just ain’t the place.
Having said this, Mrs. Meister done brung it. Therefore, upon my honour [Can sp.], I feel compelled to brake at least three of my “happy blogging” rules: Mrs. Meister, I refuse to engage in self-congratulatory flag measuring, least of all with a non-entity like you. If I require approval or validation, I sure as hell will not seek it here.
And I quote: “… blah blah blah …. service to YES, OUR COUNTRY…, blah blah drivel drivel…. I don’t care where you live, I would hope you have a thankful heart [PUKE ] to those that serve in YOUR military… blah blah blah and more drivel…”
I will NOT account to you about what is in MY heart, you sanctimonious American cow. Oh… and… kindly blow it out your ass, BITCH. While you’re at it, tie a yellow ribbon around the old oak tree and hang yourself with it, you dim-witted unquestioning shadow puppet. Tell me, ‘cause I really want to know: is the unexamined life truly worth living? By the way, that’s a rhetorical question. That means that it is not intended to elicit an actual response, …you “common denominator” (thank you, Laurent).
i HATE to end my tenure here like this, but I fear that I may have to pull a Laurent and flee in disgust.
Oh, don’t be so dramatic Turk. You’ve got all summer to cool your head after all. Yes, Meisters slightly xenophobic all American p.o.v. has annoyed me occasionally too (no biggie, it’s probably just one of those red state, blue state things). Trust me, us city folk don’t see things in such obvious shades of black & white. I only chose to weigh in on the subject because Preevyet brought it up & he’s a kewl dood (I knew he wasn’t trying to be inflamatory). Anyway, for all the folks who have chosen to run away or just occasionally stalk around here’s my aol email address: mintrubble71@aol.com
That way I can stay relatively anonymous, only Tyler is allowed to know my true identity (I’m Batman…).
I guess I will be a fool and enter this debate. I think it’s interesting that most people to whom I talk who are serving or who have served (such as Preevyet) are fairly level headed when it comes to discussing issues of “war” and America’s place in the world. I will write this without any personal insult intended (but that seems unavoidable) — Meister embodies the kind of “chicken hawk” mentality that pervades a certain segment of America. Most of our own national leaders either didn’t serve at all or secured cushy non-combat positions, but they happily use the military for their own political purposes. It doesn’t happen as often anymore since the Iraq occupation (yes, it’s an occupation, not a war) has turned into an undeniable quagmire, but a few years ago, I would be absolutely savaged by right wing conservatives for even slightly questioning the logic and justification of the “war”. They will deny it over and over (”The lady doth protest too much methinks.”) but they are ecstatic to use “support of the troops” as a political ramrod to try to paint the other side as pinko, terrorist loving fellow travelers who “hate” the troops just because we happen to be against the pointless exhaustion of lives and resources in a doomed attempt to rebuild a a crazy quilt multi-religious, multi-ethnic third wild nation that has existed under various forms of imperialism for the better part of 1,000 years all in the name of “fighting terrorism”. Now that most of the US recognizes how incompetent and misguided the Bush policies have been, the rancor has died down some, except for the occasional spurts of nationalistic fervor demonstrated by Meister. I really hesitate to comment on it not only because it is usually an exercise in futility, but also because Meister’s comments are becoming a bit of an anachronism. Three years ago, with 9/11 still a relatively fresh memory, more people genuflected to that kind of one dimensional outlook. When the Iraq “war” began, I often felt like a lone dissenting voice, sometimes even arguing with my hardcore liberal friends who supported the invasion. Now, most of them are more jaded and cynical than me over the whole thing. But Bush is still president for another 18 months so we are basically stuck with a national leader, supported by a small plurality who are guided by the orgainzed right wing talk media, who will continue the descent into the abyss, all along repeating the same patriotic slogans and praying (against any rational analysis) that some miracle will happen and all will turn out well.
Well, that pretty much sums up the way I feel as well. Can we get back to talking about how shitty Lost is now? I will devote some of my summer to rewatching seasons 1 & 2; then relishing in the discovery of the many dropped plot threads & inconsistencies. It will help me stay appropriately disgusted come the start of season 4.
Turkey, you can go screw yourself for calling my wife any names, you vulgar coward. Any time you want to drag your loser Canadian ass down to America and come to my house I will be sure happy to kick your rear all the way back to Canada. Anytime, anyplace pal. You better hope I never see you in a dark alley. I am tired of you PC correct fools trying to tell me how to honor my country. Asshole.
OK, tell me what did I say to deserve all this? All I did was thank Preevyet. Which I stand behind. I know my history, and therefore I am very thankful to all our military from the time of our Nation’s birth. Turkey, you getting offended was ridiculous. I never insulted Canada or any other country. I never spoke of our president or the current war. I don’t understand why you all lashed out at me, but I can take a hint. And my question above was also rhetorical since I won’t be coming back to read your response.
Mrs. Meister
Wow. Kind of sorry I brought up the subject. Mrs. Meister, I appreciate the sentiment, and unfortunately I’m caught in the middle of this so no matter what I say, I will never win. Suffice it to say, those who bash Bush have the right to, that is what I am here for, I fight for the right for people to disagree with our government. Thank God I live in a country where we are free to express ourselves. Laurent, errr Turkey, crudely stated but I understand your point. The USA is (I think) the only country where the military is revered and respected, so it’s hard for you as a Canadian to understand. And by Canadian, am I to assume French Canadian?
Anyway, most people close to me know that I nearly threw away my career a few years ago by disagreeing with Bush and the Iraq war. It ate me up inside. But, in the end, once I read all the intel, I realized he was right and what we did, though not probably the best thing, was the best thing for Iraq. We may be occupiers, but we do more good than harm, the unfortunate thing is the highly liberal media chooses to show the bad parts and not the good parts. The number of schools we build, the Iraqis who serve in their military and risk their lives just coming into work each day. The police officers who ride the streets in Toyotas with no armor, and die daily due to terrorist acts. The interpreters who are killed and tortured because they work for us, yet people line up to volunteer as interpreters because they want to help their country. I don’t want to repeat the party line, but for God’s sake guys and gals, wake up and smell the coffee, if we don’t take care of Iraq, it will become another Afghanistan that will fester with Al Qaeda influence and be the next training ground for terrorism. Have we all forgotten about 9/11 already? Did we make mistakes in Iraq? Yes, are we doing better now? Yes. Why is it taking so long? Folks, we’re still in Bosnia, a war started in the mid 90’s while Klinton was president. Don’t be quick to judge.
Back on track, Nico, I too will be watching only the first season, since I refused to get the 2nd on DVD. My thoughts are to watch the flashbacks a little closer and look for those connections that I can. Maybe we can trade barbs over the summer, anyone can feel free to e-mail me at preevyet at hotmail dot com (just so it doesn’t link). Heck, you may even learn my real name
I too am finished with this site. I had thought, foolishly so, that some of us were becoming some kind of friends. However, this was obviously not the case. It is a shame that people like Turkey feel the need to degrade people with terms such as was used in such an unwarranted fashion. I really enjoyed many of your comments and posts, and sparring with some of you. If Turkey was in front on me, I would have punched him square in the face. Being on this site made Lost more enjoyable, and I will miss that and some of you. I am guessing that not many will miss us after this last post. Take care all.
Lmeisters signing off.
Well, I will just offer this: Anyone who considers the electoral college system of electing the president “genius” under some specious reasoning such as “It prevents the cities from exerting too much control over presidential elections” (while failing to admit that he/she only supports it because it happened to get his/her own favorite candidate into office) has probably been indoctrinated by Limbaugh, Hannity or some other conservative mouthpiece. If you didn’t notice, Kerry narrowly lost the state of Ohio by a razor thin margin. If he had won that state, he would have become president while garnering less total votes than Bush. I can hardly wait for Hilary to be elected president with less votes than the Republican candidate and get to listen to the same people who called the electoral college “genius” do a complete turnaround and attack it as antiquated and fully support amending the constitution to replace it.
I feel simultenously vindicated and very contrite about the responses above. This is it, folks. This is why certain topics are best avoided on a forum like this one. I know that I was a very bad Turkey, but it’s unfortunate that the Meisters have opted to leave us. I’m not a fan but surely we can agree to disagree and stick to the program. Pun intended. I thought it was rather gracious of Mr. Meister to invite me to their house, though.
Reading it again, I’m surprised myself at how vitriolic my post was. You can take the Turkey out of the gutter but you can’t… you know the rest. By way of explanation but certainly not of justification, I literally moved to Boston the day before 9/11 and (in addition to being terrified) was humbled by the pain and courage of ordinary Americans. Out of respect for the victims, for a long time, I chose not to volunteer my political opinions because as an outsider I could not presume to know how it felt and frankly the magnitude of what had happened transcended politics. More than a year later, when prompted by friends after too many drinks to speak up and join the discussion about the Bush administration’s anti-terrorism strategy, I had the misfortune to open my mouth and was practically lynched for suggesting that it was a tad hasty, wrong-headed and self-serving [I only share this in the interest of this dull narrative and because it should come as no surprise to most regulars here]. It was not merely that I had a different opinion; in effect, I was told that I had no right to my opinion. It was quite an education, particularly for a Canadian of my ilk. And like Tommy6168, I lost good friends. I was extremely naive and perhaps I still am about American politics. Yes, Preevyet, I concede that I will never “get it”. Canada is not a militaristic society (that is an under-statment). We respect and honour our troops but we do not worship the annointed soldier. We have a long tradition of peace-keeping so this new paradigm of how to deal with active combat and mounting casualties is quite new to us. Actually, the mood and discourse are shifting slightly in Canada with our involvement in Afghanistan and the Conservatives in power. People are more careful about how they speak of the military but there is nothing like the paranoid lynch mob mentality that you often find in the US. Our Conservatives are your Democrats. All this to say that Mrs. Meister struck a raw nerve. I abhor rhetoric. It leaves no room for the free and intelligent exchange of opinions. Well, I broke yet another one of my rules. I talked politics. Sigh.
Preevyet, you are a true gentleman. Without treading once again into the political arena, I have profound respect for your ideals and wish you all the best. I must say, however, that I liked you even better when you were waxing philosophical about boobs. Looking forward to more on that and other LOST-related topics in future posts…
Til then, gobble gobble.
I didn’t read all that in her comment to Preevyet.
Maybe I haven’t been following all that closely because, I haven’t started to label people here as Conservative and Liberal.
Although it is a bit sad to see this level of disgust between to posters on a silly site like this.
Hope everyone will calm down and be back next season.
I think the Turkey just ate some crow.
Thanks, and I hope the Meisters do comeback.
Again, no more politics, religion, or family discussions.
More boob talk is necessary. How about Tanya Raymonde in a sports bra, running down the beach? I know, she has funky teeth but I don’t see them when I’m looking about 12″ down (that’s about 30cm for our international audience). Or maybe Claire needs to breast feed Aaron? Throw me a bone(r) team Darlton!
Jeez, I feel like it’s the last day of school & I’m saying goodbye to all my pals as I leave for some hellish summer camp (Camp Crystal Lake perhaps?).
Thanks to all: JT, Turk, Tommy, Evil, BigJim, Preevyet, Stickman, Lost Skeptic, ARMofSD, Laurent (where ever you are), everybody else who I’m forgetting, & of course Tyler!
Once again the email is mintrubble71@aol.com if anybody has anything they’d like to share.
“don’t treat your fans like cows…” — Sebastian, that was probably one of the funniest things I’ve read on this site. And no need to apologize for your English. It’s better than the majority who post on this site.
Good morning all. I have been separated from the computer and haven’t been able to read/write anything. I wanted to post, but since I haven’t read everything from above yet, please forgive me if I repeat something that has already been said. I will catch up on the reading when Jr Meister and Princess Meister take their naps.
Overall, I thought this epi was fantastic. Even by season 1 standards. Sure there were several hokey moments, but in general, I loved it. As you know, I’ve been holding on to Charlie’s survival so that was disappointing. I’m guessing he couldn’t alter Des’s vision or he would risk Claire & Aaron’s rescue. Or rather, he wanted out of the show. When Charlie was at the switch composing, I thought Patchy would come up behind him them. It seems to me, that since Charlie’s back was to him, it would have been more simple to kill him inside the station than to swim outside and blow it up with a grenade.
I find it humorous that Jack waits until he is off the island to stop shaving.
I think Rose gave Bernard a sucky farewell. I guess she has never seen the part in the movies were the damsel gives her man a big kiss and sends him into battle. Instead she opted for the emasculating “your not Rambo”
I did think Bernard, Sayid & Jin were dead. I guess I’m a sucka. I was happy to see them alive. And it was so sweet to see Sayid break that dudes neck. Overall, I think the men delivered a great performance. Even Hurley helped bring the death tole up. I know it was impractical for him to come barreling through the jungle in the bus, but I’m willing to look the other way. It was a fun scene.
I guess I’d give it a 9/10. I know it had flaws, but I thought they were minor and the epi was great in spite of them.
Mrs. Meister
I would say that if you watched the previews, the scene where Sayid, Bernard and Jin are kneeling was after the “shots”, so anyone who was thinking would realize that scene hadn’t played yet so they must be alive. Maybe they shouldn’t have shown that in the previews, but I figured it out. Still fun to watch Jack pummel Ben.
Good point on Charlie, maybe he thought he had to die for Claire to be rescued and he cared more about that than his own life. Plus, Des went down with Charlie’s note, so how will Claire know what his 5 greatest hits are? I’m sure the paper was ruined, though I don’t recall seeing it in Desmond’s pocket while in the LG. It will miraculously survive and he’ll give it to Claire I’m sure. Proves that nothing can really be destroyed on the island.
Patchy may still be alive, he ws blown back, but I think it was admitted by the producers he’s dead, as are the LG women, and all the others on the beach.
Where do we get the idea that if something is changed in Desmond’s visions that means that other completely unrelated events are also changed? Time course events have cause and effect relationships. I’ll give you the most ludicrous example: people claiming the person in the parachute would have been penny if Des had let charlie get whacked by the arrow booby trap. So somehow, the stimulus of Desmond pushing Charley out of the way at the last minute caused a ripple effect in time going back to the point where Naomi suited up and got into the chopper instead of Penny?
Or Charlie in the LG. So if he had taken one of those scuba tanks into the control room with him, punched in the code and then put the gear on as the water flowed in, somehow, the thing that needed to happen to allow the rescue (the radio jammer being turned off) would suddenly have become undone and Jack wouldn’t have been able to make the call to the ship?
You can argue small events causing a ripple in the space time continuum that cause great effects further down the line but to argue that changes in time would effect instantaneous unrelated events or even things that have already happened is ridiculous. I don’t think you have to be Stephen Hawking to see the problem with that logic.
It may be that the writers have never and will never suggest this is what is happening. But if they do, then I don’t think I’m being nitpicky. That would be the type of thing that proves once and for all that lost is NOT a “smart” show. If that is the case then the people who wrote Back to the Future had a better grasp of the fourth dimension than these guys.
And if it is just the fans advancing those theories, then please, let’s not start to buy into it on this site. I think we can do a little better.
I know, I know…It’s just a TV show and I shouldn’t get worked up about such things but if you as a writer/creator or the fans of the show are going to claim some level of intellectual superiority as your default explanation for everything, the back it up.
Actually Stickman, Des told Charlie that his visions need to happen EXACTLY as he sees them or it changes the outcome.Those were his words, not mine. And since time travel, to my knowledge, is not something happening in rl, I don’t think you can prove or disprove his statement.
Mrs. Meister
Changes the outcome…yes possibly, if the thing that changes is somehow at least partially causally related to the potential outcome. Whether or not the arrow makes it into Charley’s throat or at the last minute goes sailing past has absolutely no potential to effect whether or not a person, many hours earlier strapped themselves into a parachute, jumped out as their helicopter crashed, and is hanging in a tree. And just because this isn’t happening in real life doesn’t mean you can’t prove or disprove. If it totally violates the laws of physics, even if it is partially theoretical physics, then it can basically be disproven.
Isn’t this cause/effect relationship obvious to anyone else?
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here!!
this is true, however…
Claire & Aaron have not made it off the island yet, so if Charlie doesn’t die…maybe he thinks they won’t get off as Des predicted.
Mrs. Meister
“Crazy pills”, nice! Yet another Zoolander reference- one of the most underrated comedies ever.
Ok, one thing I noticed after watching it again last night (not the whole thing just bits and pieces), it that Ben said (in reference to calling the ship), “..they will kill every living person on this island.” Now, I know the writers are all about being literal and careful in their wording, so why say “every living person”? Isn’t that implied that you can’t kill a dead person? It might have been being or thing, but the way it was worded was strange.
I think there’s something to that but of course, we’ll have to wait until February 2009 for the answer. Yes, I know I said 2009, you don’t think they’re going to answer anything pertinent next year do you?
they do typically choose their words carefully…so might be something there. most likely a tease.
i’m curious why and bernard went along with the rescue. didn’t she want to stay since the island cured her cancer??
I wondered that myself, I guess the writers forgot they gave her cancer during her year and a half hiatus.
She wants to go show off the new hairstyle. She did offer to help him with his SOS sign, though, so maybe she’s thinking she’s cured.
yeah, L and I watched the VW / neck break / Zeke shot /Ben pummel several times last night. what great scenes!
Mrs. Meister
I’m not that interested in the “Who was in the coffin?” debate, but I did read on another site that some obsessed fan analyzed the screen capture of the news article in minute detail and concluded that the name of the deceased is Jeremy Bentham. When I read that, I concluded immediately that it must be correct. Yet ANOTHER character named for a prominent philosopher! Bravo writers.
Figured some anal uber fan boy would do that, just haven’t had time to look yet. Who the hell is Jeremy Bentham? Has there been a reference to this guy before? Has to be someone from the island, but don’t recall that being mentioned before. Maybe it’s Jacob.
maybe it is jeremy BEN-tham
Mrs.Meister
Bentham thought up a type of prison called the Panopticon:
“The Panopticon is a type of prison building designed by English philosopher Jeremy Bentham in the late eighteenth century. The concept of the design is to allow an observer to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) prisoners without the prisoners being able to tell if they are being observed or not, thus conveying a “sentiment of an invisible omniscience.” In his own words, Bentham described the Panopticon as “a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind, in a quantity hitherto without example”
Sound familiar? My guess is this character is someone we haven’t met yet. This would seem to indicate that the action (or lack thereof) will remain on the island for a while longer.
*Blech* I feel like some kind of fanboy & need to cleanse myself.
Thanks Professor.
Well I guess it can’t be Ben then. He doesn’t have the brains.
It brings me back to season 1. I’ve always felt as though the Dharma project, and the button pushing was some sort of experiment about watching how people cope, react etc. Maybe I was on to something. I guess only time will tell.
Mrs. Meister
Certainly sounds like you might have been on to something. The whole “invisible omniscience” thing seems an awful like what’s been happening to the folks on the show.
I sit here and try to think of theories. But no matter what I think of, I can come up with reasons it can’t be that way. When all is said and done, I don’t know how they, the writers, can pull this rabbit out of their hat and have it not be stupid. I love brain teasers and riddles and stuff like that, so I somehow hold out hope that their master plan is just so brilliant that I can’t yet grasp it…but, I don’t really believe it.
Mrs. Meister
well, i have to assume pushing the button actually DID something, or stopped something from happening like opening a rip in the time/space conti-
…oh brother…shoot me now…
but remember that station was being watched by another station. and it was that other station that pneumatic tubed reports, etc to no where and nobody presumably.
so were the button pushers prisoners? would jibe with the whole ‘quarantine’ on the inside, seemingly to keep them in as well.
why do i care? any answer is 3 years away…IF it ever comes at all.
More & more this show is turning into The Prisoner.
only read about that show, never seen it.
but you may be right…
and i guess that isn’t so bad. there are no new concepts, only good (or bad) execution, right?
Speaking of which, wasn’t a major concept in the first season how everyone was getting sick from something after a certian amount of time? I think that was especially talked about right after they found the group from the tail section.
Did that get explained or just dropped like so many other things?
like a hot potato buddy.
Mrs. Meister
They bank on no one remembering season one. I have it on DVD I think I’ll re-watch over the summer, fall and winter that we’ll have to wait for the next episode and pick out some things that have been conveniently forgotten.
Better get out a nice, fat legal pad there buddy.
I thought the big “Duh!” season finale moment came when Locke knifed the woman, threatened to shoot Jack, did NOT put a bullet or two into the satellite phone, and then trudged off while everyone came out of their trance and shouted “Yay! Rescue!” Thought I was watching Scrubs for a minute there, except of course Scrubs’ hilarious ridiculousness is intentional.
I was wondering why the expert marksman Locke (if he can throw a knife that wasn’t even meant for throwing that well, he should be able to shoot the wings off a fly) didn’t just blow that ridiculous phone to bits myself. Hey wait- that would make sense! No wonder he didn’t do it…
So I have to be starved of comedy until FEBRUARY?
Johnny mushio, you are a gay ass faggot hole. charlie DIDN’T actually have to die. that was the whole point of scotty. now scotty has nobody left to warn about thier imminent being cut from the show. he could have died when he was good and ripe and shitting in his panties and ready. suck on that.
why are so many of you mean to Johnny Mushio? Maybe I’ve missed something, but it seems his posts are always kind. Is it just cause his opinion is different? So many opinions are different around here, so that doesn’t make any sense to me…
Mrs. Meister
Actually he has not been nice in the past, he has been a giant ass-face. Now he’s having doubts about his beloved show & came crawling back.
Actually he has not been nice in the past, he has been a giant ass-face. Now he’s having doubts about his beloved show & came crawling back.
Hmmm…. how did that happen?
I think we need an edit feature
Anyone know if Tyler’s gonna write some kind of followup blog to recap his thoughts on the season?
Also, I’m kind of curious as to what the regulars (Evil, Stick, Turk, Nico, Lmeister, Skeptic, David, are you guys still out there?) thought of the season as a whole. Objectively, I thought it had its ups and downs. Some plot threads sucked, some sideplots sucked, but overall, I was pretty entertained throughout.
I also rewatched Stranger in a Strange Land (the Jack tattoo episode that everyone despised), among other episodes, and didn’t really think it sucked all *that* bad. It was by far the weakest episode of the season, but still better than, say, the entire past season of 24. Thoughts?
I think we lost Turk and the Lmeisters, I’ll take the blame for that. I hope they cool off and come back, at least for the next season. Should never discuss politics or religion, when will I learn?
I’m going to look over season one and see what has been forgotten, and what is missing. I think they packed a lot of clues into season 1 and then just forgot about them. I personally think the Nikki/Paulo episode was the worst, though comparing which sucked more is hard. Overall, I think there were about 4 great episodes, 3 good ones, and the rest sucked. I can only hope with next season’s promised flash-forwards they don’t screw it up like season 2.
Jesus Christ. I just scrolled up and saw that debate. I didn’t read all of it, but, uh, holy shit.
Hopefully everyone’ll be back.
I guess we are having our season ending craptacular on this site with several regular “characters” being offed. Laurent, Turkey, and now the Meisters. We are certainly going out with a bang!
You know, I much prefer Laurent & Turk to Mr & Mrs NeoCon. I don’t have anything against them personally (Lord knows in this country I put up with people worse than them daily) & didn’t even mind the political debate (why not, everyone here seems fairly well informed). It was when MrsM started talking about how the Lord helped her pick real estate I became truly concerned. In any case- I hope to see Laurent & Turk back for next season & would be truly surprised it we didn’t.
With all the disgruntled regular posters abandoning this site, I half expect a website to crop up soon called WhyLostSucksSucks.com
Just to Nico – I encourage you to look at all the posts Mrs. Meister added to this site and see that she NEVER brought up a topic of either RELIGION or POLITICS. She simply responded to posts by others. Now you call her names and label her negative things and mock her for her views. You, certainly have never met, nor otherwise deserve, a woman as kind as she. And you are fool to be rude to her, even if you disagree. We both loved hating LOST with you, but to say what you said above, it just plain rude and unnecessary. I’m done now.
Honestly, I wasn’t making fun of her I was merely pointing out it was heading down a slippery slope. Nor did I ever insinuate that she (or you) started the discussion. If you think calling you two “neocons” is an insult you should take it up with FoxNews & the rest of the folks who gleefully accepted the title (point is, it wasn’t meant as insult).
You have to realize that I don’t really care about people’s personal political or religious beliefs- especially when I’m only interacting with them on the net. I’m a Chicagoan- I vote Democrat MOST of the time. However one of my best friends loves Rush Limbaugh & I swear to you would marry Ann Coulter in a heartbeat. We’re still friends, all it leads to is some very lively discussion (especially after a few cocktails) & good natured ribbing.
I’ve got to tell you though, I did find some of your comments to Laurent a bit xenophobic (maybe they don’t have foreigners where you live? or maybe there’s too many?) & somewhat distasteful. You know what: who cares? Didn’t bother me any that’s for sure & Laurent can take care of himself. Where you crossed a line in my opinion is by threatening Turk with bodily harm (as hollow a threat as it may have been). Where I come from you don’t say shit like that unless you plan on following through (which in this case is not possible, making the whole thing kind of silly).
So that’s it: stay or leave, I really could care less. I just think you along with a few other people have made a bid deal out of nothing.
If Turk or anyone else calls my wife names like the ones on his post they had better be ready to for a fight. I crossed the line? What about him? You really are totally biased. And if you “could care less” than care less. It’s “couldn’t care less” since you like to nitpick. I couldn’t care less about your labels, but be honest, you meant it as an insult. And being patriotic has NOTHING to do with xenophobia. I am not afraid or negative to any foreigners that don’t deserve it any more than any Americans. But Laurent instigated and I slammed him. I label you as politically correct and a compromiser. Its those of us who believe in absolute truth and don’t compromise our beliefs that made/make America great. So you’re damn right, I love my country. If you don’t then shame on you. I show it my pride by making sure everyone who cuts on America gets a flame.
You disappoint me Nico. I know you don’t care and that’s a shame.
Well if that’s REALLY how you feel then I’m more than happy to disappoint you. People who blindly wave Old Glory & never question the people in power are why this country is in the shitty position it’s in now. In case you’ve forgotten this country was founded by people who questioned authority, people who were proud to be branded Revolutionaries. So if you question my Patriotism just because I won’t bow down & worship at the altar of Haliburton I say: sit & spin sir. Now, when I say I don’t care I simply mean I don’t care about any of this stupid, trifling bullshit that is clearly aggrovating you so much. For as much time as I’ve invested in this site, what goes on here is really just not that important to me in the big scheme of things. It’s just something I do between appointments while I’m at work. I’ve got plenty of real life things to get steamed up about without worrying about hurting peoples feelings on a web site. Get a grip Meister, you should really learn to pick your battles.
Just to quickly weigh in…
Laurent has been fun to read occasionally but, can come off as a little anti-American at times.
Lmeisters are kind of getting a raw deal here in this current discussion.
Nico has been a bit biased regarding all this.
Turkey is always enjoyable to read but, did cross the line when calling a regular poster names.
And since were keeping a tally…
I hate both the republican and democratic party in America.
Finally I hope all the people mentioned above stick around and enjoy reasonable discussion of why we hate/ or not hate Lost.
If by biased you mean rational as opposed to reactionary then I’d agree with your assessment of me (unless of course you’re trying to convince me Lost doesn’t suck, then I can fly off the handle with the best of them). If by biased you mean I don’t take it as a personal attack when somebody points out the obvious flaws in my country’s foreign policy, then paint me as such. If by biased you mean I really think this is much ado about nothing then I will DEFINATELY stand up to be counted.
I will also say that I sent an email suggestion to Tyler that next season there are some rules for whyLostsucks.com; mainly regarding avoiding off topic discussions. I swear, I’ve NEVER seen such an overly sensitive group of adults in my entire life & quite frankly it’s a little bit sad. One night out with my friends & I think a lot of you would go home in tears.
Sorry I thought I was clear by saying “regarding this.” I can see how I wasn’t.
I mean regarding Turkey’s treatment of another poster.
“I will also say that I sent an email suggestion to Tyler that next season there are some rules for whyLostsucks.com; mainly regarding avoiding off topic discussions.”
An excellent idea
Oh boo hoo Nico, can’t take the debate at the end of a season? Remember I had originally thought that some off-topic discussion was meant to draw us closer. But email your Daddy and ask him to make some rules. Please! You are the one flying off the handle. Read your posts. You name call, put down, and are super-defensive just because I dare believe different than you. I would like to think that LostSucks drew us all together for some fun, venting, and perhaps some kind of amicable relating that would be a kind of friendship. Turkey’s ridiculous comments backed up by posters like you were uncalled for and wrong. But your attitude is out of line. If you were a gentlemen of even the slightest degree, you would have slammed Turkey for being vulgar, instead you pretty much excused it and blamed us! Utterly ridiculous. Its a shame that you cannot see the truth about these posts. Even now, I wish we could be friends, but your stiff-necked anger makes that impossible. Its a shame, I say again.
I refuse to aplogize for asking Tyler to set some rules, as it is common place on most sites of this type. The reason for this is to avoid this type of situation. I have been openly critical of “Daddy” Tyler (funny, I’d wager we’re just about the same age) about his laziness when it comes to MODERATING (look it up) this site. Part of the job of a MODERATOR is to put out fires & keep everyone focused on the topic at hand. Quite frankly, I imagine he just gets a kick out of watching us all get our tits in a twist over this nonsense. I didn’t come to this site to make friends man, I have ACTUAL friends that I interact with on a daily basis. As far as calling you names… what names? Xenophobe & NeoCon? As for the latter, you are a self described “God Fearing American”… (if it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck & walks like a duck). As for the former, I was just calling it like I saw it. Yes, Laurent was being a smart ass- but anytime someone pulls out the ole’ “…but we really saved your bacon during dubbya dubbya eye eye…” I mean, come on man that’s just silly for anybody under 80 to say.
Okay Nico, it took my conspiratorial mind to come up with this: I have a sneaking supsicion that Meister(s) is/are jerking our chains. It’s difficult to believe that someone (or two people apparently) could be such jingoistic, Christian fundamentalist Ditto Heads. If I am correct, then I applaud their collective ability to fool us all and incite numerous flame wars. But at the same time — come on, let it go already, the joke is over! You certainly got Laurent (who was all too ready to pounce on an apparent Bush supporter) and the interaction with Turkey was fun to watch. But leave Nico alone! He has bent over backwards in attemtpting to assuage all of the fragile egos around here. Please take off the mask(s) Meister(s)!
Thanks for the kind word of support there Tommy. I’m really not upset & quite frankly I don’t mind having the Meisters around (if indeed that’s their REAL identity- leave it to you to see some type of conspiracy Tommy- you’re the best) if everybody would just calm the fudge down. I just don’t like seeing all the arguing unless it’s about Lost sucking (or not sucking- that’s for JT).
All my wife and I have ever done is to express in views in relation to Lost and to others’ posts on other views. Kiss my ass Nico, I know what a moderator is. Your thinking this site needs one in bascially a liberal ideology: reduce freedom and control the content, all for the so-called sake of keeping on topic. Well, if you haven’t figured it out, Lost is over for 8 months. How long can you post about 1 episode sucking? All this started over my wife kindly thanking a military serviceman and certain assholes being rude to her for doing so. Is an apology in order, you bet. Do I expect to see one? If I did, I would be as stupid as some of the fanboys that come here. I will keep sounding off to refute your ridiculous nonsense Nico. I love your Lost commentary, but your common sense and politeness leave something to be desired. No masks, no conspiracies, just honesty which, apparently, is too much for liberals like you to handle
Oh no- I’ve been branded a Liberal! How will my reputation ever recover? Actually I’m a Socialist, no… an Anarchist. When I’m not posting about Lost I’m throwing bombs at police stations & twirling my thick, black, swarthy moustache… “mwahahahahahahaha”.
Okay folks. I may not have the moral high ground here, but I think this debate has gone on long and far enough. Turkey is not too kewl or proud to apologize when he’s been a jerk. So here we go [Turkey gets down on his knees and looks up imploringly at the ceiling]: Mrs. Meister, I apologize for my argumentum ad hominem (personal insults). My message could have been delivered more delicately. To the Meisters: while I find your politics repugnant (and am now looking over my shoulder for anyone who may look like Mr. Meister), you have as much right to post around here as anyone else without being subjected to personal attack, to the extent that you hold yourselves up to the same standards.
And for the record, I agree with Nico that Tyler needs to take a more active role in keeping the discussion on track here. This can certainly be done without, bullying, policing or censuring people.
Aurevoir mes amis.
Look a bit further down the page for my apology to the Meisters. Turk, take care buddy!
Man, I take a couple days off and what happens?
Glad to see the Meisters back (maybe the Mrs. will come back also).
I agree with staying on topic, but like Mr. Meister said, the season was over and we were just bantering about things.
Apologies abound, and I think cooler heads have prevailed.
Capt. “Preevyet”, USAF
Hmmm… objectively: I thought the first half of the season was pure garbage. Those first few episodes where Jack was being held prisoner were particularly bad. The whole discovery of how truly lame the Others really were was just too much to take. Things started to pick up steam after the “break”, but it was too little too late. Had the whole season been like the last 4 or 5 episodes my opinion would probably be more charitable (at least a little), as it stands I’d give Lost season three a 2 out of 5 Dahrma (TM) brand stars for sucking it big time most of the time.
Damn these comments have gone to hell in a hand basket pretty quickly.
JT,
I haven’t finished watching the season finale. I watched more than half so far, and thus far it’s not too bad.
It might actually move me to your side of the island.
I’ll know more after the second act.
I thought the season sucked. Are we in season 3? I don’t even know. But I can’t even remember where it began. The hatch blew up? Desmond started seeing visions? What did we learn? We learned the hatches, and Desmond, were completely irrelevant and a pathetic distraction just like Michael/Walt and every other character’s supposed significance (Libby anyone?) Does anyone even remember at some point that we’re supposed to wonder why ghosts appear all over this island?
So I guess we learned that a lot of plot lines will never be tied up, and that we’re supposed to forget about Seasons 1 and 2, and that the real point of the show is that Ben Linus is an insecure Harry Potter and an invisible man in a shrieking shack runs the island, although he needs help for some reason, despite the fact that he can apparently inspire people to slavish, mad devotion.
In all seriousness, if anyone were to try to summarize what was happening in this show, they would be no further than they were in Season 1; all my friends asked what Lost was about and I was like “uhhh, well there are these castaways on this spooky island with weird powers and their are ghosts and evil creatures and no one is certain if the genre is Sci Fi or Horror or Drama or Psycho-mindfuck-thriller.”
How much further am I in answering this question “what is lost about” now that we are 3 years later. There is an island. Weird shit happens. We have no clue why.
Anyone that tries to pretend like there is some intricate explanation is basically drawing their own constellations in the random sky. We don’t know why shit happens, because the writers don’t know, because they suck and are trying to draw out and milk this show for as long as their condescended-to audience will suffer it. Maybe they had an idea at once: “hey their is this enchanted Island that once was Eden and people have been searching for it ever since the fall and its going to re-populate the earth after a giant disaster.” Then they started throwing in hatches and fail-safe keys (if you can turn it off, what is the fucking point of the wonder weapon?) and overly-prescient golden retreivers and Anagramic Ethan Rhoms (other man) who seemingly can jump up trees in shit– as if all this had something to do with the plot– when they were just distractions. If it were the X-files at least we would know it was a side episode, not part of the big conspiracy. With Lost they try to hint that everything is the conspiracy. Fuck, at least with the Xfiles we could ignore the conspiracy for 80% of the episodes; I don’t care where Mulder’s sister is, and I don’t care if Scully dies or where her baby is, just bring me more of the man who can burn things with his hands please…..
Lost is Lost. The first season was fantastic. It went somewhere, albeit down a hatch that was completely a waste of time. The characters were developing, the actions were pretty realistic, and the evil people were evil that did not have book clubs.
My prediction for Season 4. It starts with some flashback from some character we have never met, probably an “other other” a.k.a. the other evil people. They hint at some grand connection to the conspiracy, and then drop it like a dead fish. They throw in 3 more episodes of the new other other’s, Ben and his people band together with the Losties for some bullshit battle, probably with a as-yet-not-revealed Mine grid or battery or some shit, or guerilla warefare. The other others take some prisioners (Kate, Sawyer). Big confrontation/negotiation. Roll credits for season.
You Lostfanboys out there, tell me seriously you don’t think that is how it will happen?
After reading Evil’s excellent summation of season 3 (and the whole series really) I can’t really offer much new, except that, as I was reading his comment, it struck me how Lost has really become a bad soap opera. Almost everything that was treated with such intense drama and had all the fansites buzzing (the numbers, the hatch, the Others blah blah blah) is now essentially an after thought.
Not that they don’t incorporate those elments into the storyline, but when you think back to when all those things were burning questions, you are left thinking “so what?” now. All that pretentious music and melodramatic build up to past cliffhangers only led to at most background information. I was thinking back over season 3 and I don’t even really remember what happened that well. Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were captured and spent half the season imprisoned — why? I can’t quite remember I guess just to introduce us to Juliet and develop Ben’s character. None of it means much now.
It reminds of when I used to watch All My Children with my old girlfriend about ten years ago (yes I know, I was whipped) and plot lines would be presented as if whatever was happening was the biggest most shocking event in the history of Pine Valley and then a week later, it was totally forgotten and off to the next scandal. Like Lost, they occasionally dropped in references in to old characters or events. In the Lost season finale, when Sawyer callously shot a helpless Mr. Friendly in the gut and announced “That was for taking the kid off the boat”, I was laughing to myself, thinking “yeah, I guess you didn’t totally forget season 1, but give me a break, one line doesn’t make up for ignoring the issue for a season or more”. But then I looked at a few fansites the next day and various Lost ding dongs were declaring how “brilliant” the writers were in the way they so “cleverly” tied up the hanging thread of Mr. Friendly/Sawyer/Walt on the boat.
Anyway, in re-reading this comment, it feels like one of my weaker efforts and I am tempted to delete it entirely, but I have spent enough effort on it so here you go. Please refer to Evil’s post above for a much better discussion.
Brilliant. Great Post.
I concur.
objectively? i’d say season III was the worst…ok, not news. it started poorly, got worse, then finished strong[er]. i’ve read lots of opinions about how LOST’s final 3-5 (?) episodes were as good as season I, maybe they were, but for me they’ve been tainted by the stink of the other 15 episodes this season.
that said, i enjoyed the strong finish. the first 6 epis where they were in bear cages look even worse when compared to the final 6. lots of characters got their sack back [partially], some interesting new mysteries were raised – that’s important b/c sometimes the show fails to answer old question while only raising new yawners. i cite invisible jacob, the flash forward with jack wanting to go back to the islan, walt’s reappearance, the looking glass station, “it’s not penny’s boat”. w/o nitpicking, those are pretty intriguing.
enjoy the hiatus all…i may check in periodically. i’m surely check in on the 4th of july to read the lovefest that will be turk vs. lmeisters part 2 !!!
I’ll drop in my final thoughts (Jerry Springer style):
Agree with previous comments that if the majority of the season had been closer to the last few episodes instead of, well, what it actually was, then we might have been getting somewhere.
Even with that being said, suppose the whole season had been higher quality…we still wouldn’t have gotten anywhere. Seriously, a new-comer to the show could watch this entire season without having yet seen the first 2 seasons and would have a perception of the overall show theme that is completely different than the concepts from the first 2 seasons…
and, that new-comer would have no less of a clue what the point of the show is than those of use who’ve seen every episode.
What about the opposite? what if the episodes had only been of the mediocre quality that most of them were but had a cohesive structure to them that in some way advanced the central story lines…
like what if the acting sucked but you found something out about the smoke monster?
I’ve said a bunch of times that I’m not satisfied with just “answers”…they need to be a least a little clever. But assuming they’d come up with some decent resolutions to hanging threads, I could have easily overlooked some bad acting and any number of the little nit-picky things we end up getting pissed about when it occurs in the context of getting absolutely NOWHERE!!
Finally, I know this is nitpicky and I don’t care but I rewatched the finale because my wife hadn’t seen it yet. I hadn’t seen this the first time but – my wife is a physician and I work in Sports Medicine and we both laughed out loud when Jack gets into the locked drug cabinet. YOU CANNOT GET OXYCODONE IN LITTLE SINGLE DOSE PACKETS OUT OF A CONVENIENT CARDBOARD BOX DISPENSER. Those dispenser boxes are EXACTLY like the ones we have in clinics/athletic training rooms/hospitals, etc. for tylenol, ibuprofen, pseudofed, etc. but NOT Narcotic Class pain killers. It looked like they literally printed “OXYCODONE” on their laserjet and taped it over the “TYLENOL” label on the box.
Yes, it’s nit picky but my wife and I immediately laughed and almost simultaneously said “that’s retarded”.
Preev – add to your list when checking season 1: The whole mystery disease thing that people were getting. The tailies were afflicted by it and I really think the Rousseau spoke of it very early on as if the mystery disease killed many of “her group” whoever those turn out to be.
I could be wrong but my wife and I were thinking about this and we thought it was a pretty major point during the first episodes.
Anyone else recall?
It seems like the disease thing was dropped, but I seem to recall that the Dharma people (in Ben’s flashback episode) were still injecting themselves with something: as to whether that means this mysterious disease will be brought up again, I have no idea.
Most excellent comments from everyone (sorry I forgot to mention both Preev and Tommy in my original post, as I’m a fan of their posts). Good points made on all counts, really, and I learned that Tommy enjoys soap operas! I will try not to mock you on that one, bro.
My view? I think season two was far, far worse than season three (it appears that Preev agrees with me here). There was very little of redeeming value to introducing Mr. Eko (who later died after accomplishing, uh, nothing really) or Ana-Lucia (who was a complete bitch and who accomplished, uh, nothing really). The emasculation of Locke was horrible to watch. The character assassination of Charlie blew many, many goats. Michael leaving on the boat at the end was clearly shoehorned into the plot. Shannon’s death was completely fucking pointless and dumb. It was obvious that the writers were totally making shit up the entire time, much of it based on whether or not a character wanted to leave the show or was involved in some kind of drunk-driving incident. All the show’s characters did was push buttons, obsess about Kate, and watch shitty Dharma films that really had no purpose aside from seeming really mysterious. I’ll defend certain aspects of the storytelling as long as it seems that the writers know where the hell they’re going, but season two was an utter mess.
At least season three tried to tie some shit together. Much of the first few episodes of season three (in my view, at least) was a romantic set-up between Jack and Juliet, which (I’m praying here) might lead to some kind of resolution to the insane love-quadrangle thing we have going here. And if season three leads to the ultimate conclusion of all this Kate-Jack-Sawyer shit, then I’m prepared to say that I will love season three forever. That doesn’t, unfortunately, make all the cage shit any less stupid, but at least it gave a LITTLE insight into how insane the Others are. I guess. And there were some pretty good interconnections in season three, and some awesome ones when the show hit its stride. It’s possible that the new actors that joined the show around season three isolated some of the fanbase — I know that some people hate Elizabeth Mitchell, but I’m going to maintain that she’s one of the best actresses out of the show and blows Evangeline Lilly out of the water any day.
Evil brought up an interesting point (and the “drawing constellations in the random sky” line was just so damn excellent that I feel like I have to respond) — that the writers are making EVERYTHING up as they go along, including apparently the central themes and major plot points. You’re probably right on some counts, but I think 9 out of 10 shows operate that way — this doesn’t mean that the writers don’t, indeed, have an overarching idea of where they want to go with the series. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t — we’re not going to know until 2010, apparently. But they have to fill in some of the gaps in the story with what people call filler episodes, and I think that’s where they lose people. To be fair, too, I believe the producers lost one of their more prominent writers (Javier Grillo-something, I can’t remember his name) around the end of season two, which might account for some of the sloppy writing.
I’d post more, but I have to get some actual work done at work. I guess. Were you guys fans of season two?
I enjoyed season two when I was watching it. I think there was still something to learn about the characters at that time & I liked Ecko & AL. I personally was really shocked when Michael shot Libby & AL- it was one of those jaw dropping moments that only a burst of horrific violence can create. I also thought the whole “everybody’s connected” thing was developed to it’s full potential in season two (we sure don’t need anymore of it though). I was never a huge fan of the hatch, but it was sort of interesting just because it was so out of place on the island (this was of course before we saw the Others cul de sac neighborhood). Once it was all over though, I was like: “hmmm… that was entertaining, but there better be a big payoff at the start of season three…”. Well, we all know how that turned out don’t we.
Thanks for the Kudos, and I agree with a lot of what you and previous posters have summarized. Season 2 was a complete waste, though at the time I was still high from season one and didn’t recognize the shit pile it was until it was over. Season three started somewhat promising, but then just went retarded, had a couple filler, feel good episodes, then ended with one good episode, well at least the last half of the final was good.
What did we learn from Season 3? The only thing that comes to mind are two things, but one was fairly obvious. One, how Locke was paralyzed. The second was that Jin was the father, but given the amount of time they had been on the island, he had to be. That’s all I got out of season 3.
I’m not defending team Darlton, but I think the whole “how long will it go” thing should have been worked out at the onset. They keep saying they have an outline, well they should have said hit or not, we can’t stretch this into more than 5 seasons (at 22 per season). They said a while ago 100 was optimal, in the end it will be 120. So, they basically wasted a season. I think season 2 was most of the “extra” episodes, with season three cleaning up the crap left over from season 2.
We still don’t know who the good guys or bad guys are, what the whole point of the hatches were, what the “quarantine” all over the place is, and I could go on. About the injections, a thought I have is that they might be age prevention shots, so maybe that is why Richard looks so young still.
I’ll keep an eye on this site over the summer, fall and winter, but 10 July starts Eureka and once that’s going I’ll be off lost season 1 for a stretch. Then when that’s over, hopefully football starts, then Heroes, and then maybe I’ll start remembering about December that Lost is coming back (maybe a teaser episode?). It was like this season, where they bolted after 6 episodes, then took what 3 months off, then shot 16 in a row. So, as long as I got something to bide my time from September to February, I’m good.
To all, please see above for my personal e-mail if you wish to comment directly (thanks Nico for your note), otherwise I’ll see you all in February.
Word up to pretty much everything you just wrote.
It is now time for a post full of asskissery. To the regulars who tolerated and then accepted me after my bile-filled first post, you guys rock, and chatting with you dudes about future Lost episodes will probably kick much ass. You know who you are.
To all the new posters who have posted thoughtful and intelligent messages on this site, you guys also rock. To all the newbies who post drivel — that’s on both sides, the ones who post meaningless shit like “Lost really sucks!” with no reasoning and the ones who post crap like “Lost really rules!” while ignoring real flaws — you suck. To BigJim, who insists I am a bag, I hope you have a nice summer feasting on donkey penis or doing whatever it is you do in your spare time.
And to Tyler, thanks for this site. It rocks much more than I first thought it would.
Anyone who wants to reach me can hit me up at mrjohnnytruant @ gmail . com — remove the spaces, obviously.
Happy summer, y’all.
This post, got put up above for some reason, but it belongs here:
Jeez, I feel like it’s the last day of school & I’m saying goodbye to all my pals as I leave for some hellish summer camp (Camp Crystal Lake perhaps?).
Thanks to all: JT, Turk, Tommy, Evil, BigJim, Preevyet, Stickman, Lost Skeptic, ARMofSD, Laurent (where ever you are), everybody else who I’m forgetting, & of course Tyler!
Once again the email is mintrubble71@aol.com if anybody has anything they’d like to share.
An edit feature would take care of that.
I was trying to avoid saying it for fear of Tyler cursing me out…
He’s too busy counting his advertising dollars….300+ comments, must be rolling in the dough
Doesn’t Tyler only make l00t if we actually click those ads, tho?
Don’t know how that works, never did a site with adverts before. It was always hold out the hat & beg for shillings at the sites I modded.
Wow there sure are a lot of comments… its just too bad I wasn’t able to watch the finale till last night. All I can say now is that I wash my hands of this show, I am done with it… but not this website. I thought the episode sucked, and I don’t want to waste anymore time discussing it. Peace out everybody
Wow, I envy you in a way. No longer a slave to crappy TV.
Well I finally saw the season finale and here are my late thoughts…
It was actually pretty good. I give it 8 out of 10.
First the bad…
1. Flashbacks.
Really they should abandon these all together. They currently add nothing to the story. The whole flash forward with Jack didn’t pique my curiosity, stimulate my mind, or give me insight into the character. I don’t care who died 3 years from now, or who Kate needs to get “back to.” It was an intermission between the good stuff. It bored me.
I did sort of laugh when Jack said, “We need to go back.” I felt the writers were vicariously using Jack to tell us how they feel. Then when he said, “We should have never left.” I was sure of it. I could hear them saying, “You’ll be sorry in 2010 when it’s all over.”
2. Where’s Walt.
He shows up 4 feet taller than we saw him last time and then he’s gone. What the hell. How about a little more screen time for the little uh big dude.
Now the good…
1. Something Happened
It felt like the story moved along. It was well paced with very little staring at each other.
2. Finally some action
Seeing Ben get beat by Jack, Sawyer shooting Tom, and Sayid breaking necks, made me feel like the boy found their nuts again.
3. No Cliffhanger
They didn’t do the usual cliffhanger deal. I like it when writers finish chapters but, leave open loops as opposed to the usual cliffhanger where you stop in the middle of the action. I hate this immensely and think it the mark of a bad gimmicky writing.
Lost’s previous season finales are guilty of this. And a good example of the later would be the end to the Empire Strikes Back.
So overall the suckage on this episode was not all that high.
Well, I probably would have gone more like a 6.5 out of ten (subtracting at least a half point for Jack’s horrible phony beard- I mean really- it looked like somebody spirit gummed a handful of pubes to his face). Otherwise I would pretty much agree with your assessment of the episode. I would still say it was a pretty traditional cliff-hanger ending though; what with the boat full of “other Others” waiting to swoop in and all.
Yeah that beard was bad.
For a second there I thought he became a Hasidic Jew.
Then I realized he was ACTING
Well it’s too bad he’s not much of an actor either (unless you count uncontrollable twitching as acting, sure is pretty though).
I agree that season two was a total train wreck. Also agree that what they did to Locke was probably the most unforgivable offense.
However, I also thought the first half (prior to the hiatus) was pretty weak as well. The cages, jack in the underwater glass room (was that supposed to be related to the LG station?) Breaking rocks, brainwashing room…not good. Truly just half a season of filler. It was like they were saying “well, we are required to make a whole season worth of episodes but we really only want to make ANYTHING happen after the break…so here’s half a season worth of crap to go with last seasons whole season of crap.
Another excellent summary of the main problems with season 3. I am starting my seasons one & two re-view tonight after work. Can’t wait to jot down all the plot threads that got “Lost” along the way (yeah, I know- bad joke).
I’ve been reading all of your comments. A lot of big ideas and big plans. I just want to make sure that everyone remembers one thing that we seem to be getting away from:
Lost Sucks.
Well said my friend! I’m just re-viewing the first two seasons for extra ammo when next season starts. I want to have all the lame plot twists & dead ends fresh in my mind.
You have my sympathy.
Thank you for your service and sacrifice to this site.
Nice one! At least season one was pretty good; although I’m sure when I see all that wasted potential I’ll freak out & throw a shoe at the TV.
Nico, at least season one had Kate by the pond. Somehow the writers got rid of the best storyline the show had going.
Yeah, what happened to the T&A?
What indeed? I guess that shot of Dr. Botox’s pasty side boob (when she was in bed with the dude AL killed) is the best we got this season.
I hope you take notes.
I’d like to see a list of all the dropped storylines.
Might take a couple of weeks to get through it all, but that’s the plan.
I’ll be on it also, so maybe Tyler can start some new threads for season 1 & 2 recaps?
we are watching too
Well, I hate to say it (not really) but I’m glad you’re still around. I’m sorry if I offended you Meisters (especially Mrs. who has always been super nice to me). It’s obvious we’re very different people, but I’m sure we can get along well enough to talk about Lost.
Managed to get through the pilot episodes 1 and 2. Had forgot that the stewardess (Cindy) that showed up this season was the one who gave Jack the liquor he used to sterilize his wound that Kate sewed up. Also, episode 1 featured only 1 flashback, and that was just the scene with Jack talking to Cindy and Rose. Episode two featured one with Charlie and one with Kate. Next episode I will get too soon, but one thing I noticed already is how much Sawyer’s hair grew in 3 months. It was really short. Also, Walt’s hair was really short too, and when he just reappeared it appeared to be fairly long, though not so unrealistic for 3 months.
No big story lines in the pilot, just the sounds of the monster that appeared 3 times I think (they seem to have gotten away from the sound, and someone commented on how familiar it sounded). They seemed to have gotten away with that. Also, the flashbacks didn’t have the dorky flashback sound. One thing I see as interesting is how Jack ended up way out in the jungle but most everyone else was on the beach. Oh, and Charlie was up in the front of the plane, but somehow ended up with the middle of the plane. The front ended up in the jungle, the middle on the beach and the tail, of course, on the other side of the island.
Next episode, Tabula Rasa which was the first actual flashback with Kate. Then I hope to get through Walkabout this weekend.
I also watched the pilot episodes last nite. Two things really stuck out to me. First, I had forgotten how prominantly Rose was featured especially in part 1. Kind of odd they set her up to be important & then let her vanish for most of season 3. Second, the “monster” (especially when it grabs the pilot) shows very little traits in common with our pal Smokey. It’s obvious the concept of the “island gaurdian” was still in development at that early stage.
I too was struck by the way Jack ends up face up & so far away from the beach. It looked like somebody had just laid him there. Clue or just artistic choice? The world may never know…
I thought it was the polar bear that took/killed the pilot. Later when Sawyer shoots the baby polar bear Charlie comments that it was the baby and that the other one they encountered was much, much larger.
Mrs. Meister
I doubt the polar bear could’ve dragged the pilot up a tree. Polar bears are strictly terrestrial as there are no trees where they live.
So then what the hell was Charlie talking about?
The Mrs and I have watched the first 4 episodes. Walkabout was definitely my favorite as I love Locke and it is really cool to see how wussy he was versus the wild man he is portrayed as in the episode. I saw the pilot actually for the first time ever as I missed the first 2 or 3 episodes during the original broadcast and have seen only bits and pieces during the rest of the series. I too was struck by the fact that the series opens with Jack all alone in the bamboo. I wonder if this has any significance or if it was just a surprise beginning to break the plane crash. I am thinking the latter. It is quite amazing to see just how great the show started out. It makes me hate the fact that it is so bad now even more.
Mrs Meister comments that Jack says to Kate “we all died 3 days ago” while sitting on the beach. It appears figurative but I wonder if it was somehow a double meaning.
Other than that, it was great to see the whining blonde again, Boone who was a great character and well developed before he was killed off, and Charlie singing “we all everybody” AGAIN for the first time.
Waiting for the next disk to show up at the library and will go on from there.
“Mrs Meister comments that Jack says to Kate ‘we all died 3 days ago’ while sitting on the beach. It appears figurative but I wonder if it was somehow a double meaning.”
After watching Tabula Rasa (latin for clean slate) I think Jack was implying that now that they are stuck on the island, everyone gets a fresh start (or Tabula Rasa as it were).
I don’t think the big plotholes will start opening up until late in season one or mostly in season 2 which I refuse to watch again.
Dear Turk & Nico, I forgive you both and REALLY appreciate your apologies.
Turk, my original comment to Preev wasn’t intended to offend you or anyone else. We, (the Meisters) actually have lots of friends from around the world and are very respectful of who they are and their customs, beliefs etc.
Anyway, I will come back as well. Thanks for the personal invite from several of you. You sure know how to make a gal feel welcome.
Mrs. Meister
Glad to have you here, you have always been very nice to everybody & didn’t deserve to get sucked into that fracas. I have a feeling one thing Mr.M. & I have in common is a bit of a hot temper!
no doubt.
Mrs. Meister
I still feel bad ’cause I seemed to have started it all but now that you are back, it’s good again. Good synopsis on the first 4, I plan to watch Tabula Rasa and Walkabout tomorrow, but we’ll see what happens. Lots to do and not much time to sit around watching TV.
You shouldn’t feel bad Preevyet, we’re all adults here and are each responsible for what we say…type. But it is over and all is peaceful again.
Mrs. Meister
Oh… Mrs. Meister. I’m glad you’re back. Thank you for this gracious post and for showing more class than I have. I look forward to reading your refreshingly balanced posts about Lost in the future.
Getting back to the business of trashing Lost, the show we all love to hate and want to love, I think that it is THE most appropriate and ideal target for our frustrated hopes, impotent rage and seething contempt for mediocrity.
I will come back periodically when the mood and inspiration strikes and to see what’s new here. In the meantime, ciao and shout-outs to Ty, Nico, Preevyet, Tommy, Evil, JT, Stickman, Jerome, BigJim and company. Peace out for now ‘yall!
T
A big word up, and shout-outs to all of the above. Will miss you dudes until February!
OK, got through Tabula Rasa today. Things that seemed strange were when Walt was asking his dad to look for the dog, and he said he’d do it as soon as it stopped raining. And then it stopped. Odd. Did walt stop it?
Also, forgot the Sawyer shot the Marshall. But it was Jack who ended it.
And the T&A, well, at least Michael running out of the woods and into Sun bathing topless, though it was just a back shot and not even some side boob. It also appeared Charlie and Claire met for the first time, in contradiction to his Greatest Hit. He’s pulling luggage with Locke’s wheelchair, and offers to help her. It just seems if they had met the night before, like in his flashback (a scene not in the Pilot or this episode) that the conversation would have been different. Subtle screw up, but still not consistent.
Will try to get to Walkabout tomorrow, so far no major story lines or plot problems, though the “creature” was silent in this episode.
Interesting about Walt possibly stopping the rain. I had given up hope that the writers would ever explain Walt’s supposed “special abilities”. Since he showed up again, I guess there is some small hope that we will.
One thing I seem to notice in these episodes which reminds me of the rest of the series is just how ofter Michael is always screaming “Walt!” It seems to be like 2 or 3 times per episode and it peaks when he gets kidnapped. I found myself screaming “shut up!” Is it just me or is Michael always pissed off?
I think his backstory is that his ex-wife took Walt away from him and he’s angry about everything. So, he’s happy to finally have Walt back and very protective of Walt so that is (my guess) the reason for his demeanor.
I think they might actually get to Walt’s abilities in episode 116, when he’s about 6′8″, growing a goatee, and dreds down past his shoulders. So far, he could have generated the polar bear, stopped the rain, and appeared dripping wet talking backwards in some episodes. Plus, he chatted on the computer with his dad. Again, episode 116 will answer all.
i totally agree. lost is dead to me. charlie was my favorite character, and i hate kate and jack which is revealed that they live. great. the two worst characters live and get off the island. ill never whatch that wate-of-time show ever again.
If I had a dollar for every time I said that I’d be a far richer man. For most of us it has become a type of flagellation.
Why do so many people like the Hobbit? It’s like every time they showed him there was a possibility for him to start singing (badly) “you all everybody”. That alone I’m thankful/hopeful we’ve seen the last of the hobbit.
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