Flash Back to the future
So the season finale was a bit of a mixed bag for my tastes. I’d give it a 6.5 out of 10. There were definitely some good points, but a lot of dumb stuff too. Here’s the good and bad according to me.
Jack is even more of a whiney bitch than we thought. OK we get the whole “fallen hero theme”. We actually got it in season 1.
Jin can’t shoot for shit.
Bernard sucks. A 12 year old girl can keep a secret better than him.
Wouldn’t it have been easier to cut the power cable to the underwater hatch, thus turning off the signal jamming? Hmmmmm.
Ben’s treasure map may have been the gayest thing ever.
God Damn! Walt grew about 2 feet in the 8 weeks that have supposedly passed since he left. He looked like he was ready to try out for the NBA.
Scentless Apprentice kicked ass. Absolutely the best song placement of the show so far.
How can you drive a van through a jungle with no road? It’s a VW bus, not a Hummer for crying out loud.
Sayid snapping that guys neck with his feet, then sawyer killing Tom was sweet. Finally, something happened. Big points for that scene.
Wouldn’t it have been better for Charlie to go outside of the little room to shut the door. What was the point of locking himself in there to get flooded. Seems like he could have saved Des just as easily on the other side of the door. And by the way, why the hell won’t patchy die already? That dude is like an unflushable turd.
Finally the ending. So the whole flashback was a flash forward. That’s the big cliffhanger? Wow, talk about a serious let down. So Kate and Jack get off the island, but what’s to say it was from the time with the phone and not 2 seasons from now. That’s the problem with a flash forward. Is everyone going to start having flash forwards now? So will Jack somehow come to his senses and try to stop the rescue? Who the hell knows, who cares? I thought it would be a tough wait with some huge event happening for the cliffhanger, but with this lame twist it will be a piece of cake. School’s out for summer!
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I just wanted to make the first comment. overall i thought it was a good episode. it’s gonna be a long wait. unfortunately i spoiled it & the rest of this season for myself… might have enjoyed it more if i hadn’t. maybe next season. so who the hell is on the boat? why’d they go in search of desmond. maybe penny’s dad? he was a major hater. maybe the non island dharma initiative cats. going to excact some revenge on the hostiles. who knows… see ya next year…or tomorrow…
okay for all the ppl who say charlie could have escaped, i said that too. but then i read someones point about it. desmond kept saying he was going to die, no matter what. instead of having des baby sit him 24/7, he just ended it, the whole fate versus free will theme.
you know.. people cant say that lost sucks anymore. the show has gotten to the point if the ending was disappointing and stupid, it wouldnt matter due to the fact that the show has proven itself to be the best written thing ever, and no one can take away seasons 1,2 or 3. btw, its lasting 3 more seasons, 16 episodes each.
big set for next season is the ruins.
as for walt being huge, the producers have said a while back that time on the island does not line up with time off the island. remeber, its still 2004 on the island, on 2007 here.
and when you heard the three gun shots… did you not feel any sorry for sun and rose? sayid was cool for accepting death to “save” everyone.
i personally would love to live on that island.
and did any of you laugh at hurly getting scared at sawyer closing the door, or talking to what he thought was the others on the walkie?
did you really expect sawyer to kill tom?
i could go on and on…. is this the best written thing out there? it does something very positive to me when i watch this show.
i wonder if season 3 was tainted for me, by going to this site and reading the most pointless flaws on the shows, brainwashing me a little.
its like… you get this really hot sexy asian girl, but she has a little scar on her from something a while back, and so you break up with her. thats kind ofa bad analogy, but you get the point.
tyler, i know you like the show, and i think you should come to your senses and make a new site, and remove this site and link it to your future new site of “lostisperfect.com”… haha, but negative ppl are stubborn and non-changing, so i dont see you doing that. maybe you will just to prove me wrong? maybe you wont. ill come back to this site later to read replies to this post, then i MIGHT come back in 9 months, just to see if the site still exists.
one more thing about the cliff hanger, i think thats the future that would have happened if desmond did not have flashes.
and the eprson in the coffin, im sure its no one we have seen yet on the show, seeing as the first two letters of the guy is jo, and his last name does not start with a l (according to HD screencaps of the piece of paper)
I know, it’s Joseph Smith! Founder of the Mormons! Why wouldn’t that surprise me?
This type of Lost fan is pretty representative of the majority of semi-literate chuffs who tend to blindly praise the show no matter what kind of schlock is presented (I don’t include many of the regular posters here in that population). “The best written thing ever”? Are you kidding me? It’s an interesting phenomenon. Lost drops in all kinds of references to literary works or historical figures and then the Lost fans congratulate themselves when they read a selection on the reference on Wikipedia. It proves how “smart” the show is and reinforces their own delusions of sophistication. But it is painfully obvious that none of them would have even heard of the philosopher Locke if not for one of the characters in the show being named for him. It’s like they are getting their educations backwards, relying upon a television show to tell them what they need to know to be an intellectual. In ten years, when the program is long gone, they will all have forgotten about Locke (unless another show pretentiously attempts to give its storyline profound meaning by using the same reference) and they will each still remain unable to grasp basic English grammar rules(such as using possessives).
apostrophe abuse is my favorite. Look around you, you’ll find it EVERYWHERE. Business signs, advertisements, newspapers… It cracks me up.
Mrs. Meister
I agree, “Lost” is the “Family Guy” of TV dramas. Unfortunately, cleverly placed references to seemingly irrelevant matters are what is defined as intellectual in present-day popular culture.
Wow, you sure have some strong feelings. I have to agree that a Wikipedia article by no means makes you an expert on the subject. Still, I guess I don’t see the harm in something, even the banal, that encourages people to reach beyond their television and learn a little bit.
I hope you didn’t get this worked up about Calvin and Hobbes too…
Now let us laugh:
Rene Descartes walked into a bar and ordered a stiff drink. With an air of satisfaction, he finished the drink and set the empty glass on the bar. The Bartender said, “Would you like another one?” Rene said, “I think not,” and disappeared
You may now destroy me… I am unarmed and quite dumb.
I totally love the whole: “the writers say that time on the island doesn’t line up with time in the rest of the world” thing.
Even better is when the typical fan accepts that as if it was integral to the entire concept the creators had all along (because as we ALL know, they have it all planned out ahead of time).
No, actually, it’s some hackneyed ad hoc contrivance to explain away anything you need to.
we’ll know that they had everything planned out by the end of the series, and adam and eve from season 1 will be direct proof.
and of course i know who john locke is, the person ppl praise for having so much influence on our modern us government.
and the fact that lost refers to books and names characters after real ppl, i could care less about that aspect of the show, and i really dont care about it.
negative ppl are very blind, so i can see how you cant think this is the ebst written piece of work out there, i kinda feel sorry for you…
Wow - so if they manage to make-up an explanation for 1 thing from season one you’ll be satisfied…talk about easy to please. Oh wait, no actually that’s inability to critically evaluate and add inabilty to debate on there too. You may want to click on wikipedia under your “favorites” and brush up on some of the fallacies of debate. Labeling someone who doesn’t buy into your poorly thought out argument as “negative” and therefore blind and therefore unable to understand your argument or your brilliant show has problems. I won’t even use big words like non sequitur or ad hominem so as to not confuse you further. So I’ll keep it to single syllable words: to use that type of thing to argue (oops, that’s 2 syllables, sorry) is bad
I guess Hurley continuing to gain weight was part of the brilliant plot all along. Since season one, they had it planned that he’d be too fat to canoe, too fat to trek, and would end up with his fat rump in a VW bus saving the day.
I guess the fanboys are vindicated.
Mrs. Meister
It’s like that movie “thank you for smoking” when rob lowe explains away a plot hole with one line of dialogue “thank god we invented the whatumacallit”.
Although I disagree with most of what you said.
Thanks for not being a douche.
It refreshing to get a Lost fan that doesn’t spell in ALL CAPS, or calls everyone names, or asks the same question over and over again, “Why do you have a site about a show you hate?” the first time they post a comment.
No, this guy is a SUPER GIANT douche. He’s just restraining himself because he’s been ripped a new one like three times already.
BUT! What if it’s his middle name that doesn’t start with L? Where are these screen captures?
It was a bit of a let down. The flash-forward thing is always confusing…I wonder who was in the coffin?? Kate obviously didn’t want to pay respects, maybe she & Sawyer turn on each other for good at some point. Maybe he dies. He’s probably the only character that would have no one come to the viewing.
Either way, after seeing Jack’s state in the future, I can’t help but wonder if he really was meant to stay on the island. Maybe Kate was too…sounded like she was afraid of whoever “He” is that is at home waiting for her.
Who knows, maybe they are all suppose to stay there…
Guess we’ll wait & see. Oh, & i’m still left wondering if Ben & Russo had Alex together. They still haven’t cleared that one up. Too many loose ends!
good points re: coffin, “he”, etc. that’s obviously another wrinkly little mystery they want to throw out there “OMG! They get off the island but is sawyer dead or is he with kate?!?!”…two more questions that won’t keep me awake at night.
i actually thought jack’s flash foward was well done, even if transparent.
but but but….well done if it was actually a flash forward. He says to the surgeon guy that he should go upstairs and get his dad and test to see who was more drunk. His dad??? He’s dead, isn’t he?
I too wonder who was in the coffin. Please don’t everyone take this the wrong way, but when Jack gets out of the car I noticed everyone on the street was African American (as if they made a point of showing that) as was the Funeral Home director. Perhaps it was Michael? It would explain why nobody wanted to go the viewing (you know, the whole being a murderer thing…) yet Jack would still feel bad enough to go.
For some reason, I am thinking it’s Locke in the coffin. No one would want to go to his funeral, especially after the shit he continues to pull on the island.
maybe, seems it’s someone of significance…to jack…but then, that means locke leaves the island. doesn’t seem like he wants to. afterall, someone pops a cap in your gut in south central, you die. same thing happens on the island, you regenerate!
I noticed that too, but I don’t recall if Michael was from California, I thought he was from NY or east somewhere. Either him or walt would be a good guess, I thought initially it was Juliette, then Ben, but now I’m not sure. Maybe someone got a screen capture of the newspaper clipping. Off to dharmasecrets I go…..
Yeah, you do get a bit of a look at the clipping.
Just looked at some screen caps. It’s full of contradictions. It was on the front page, & the person lived in a loft yet they were waked on skid rowe- makes no sense. It also says ‘Man Found Dead’ in the headline. The person’s first name seems to start with a ‘J’, but that’s all you can see. For all tha’s being made of the small size of the coffin in the screen caps you can clearly see it’s made to fit someone approximately 5′8″- 5′10″ which is pretty much average adult male size. My new guess- either Locke or somebody we haven’t seen yet.
I saved this one on my PVR, so I’ll do the nerdy geek thing and go frame by frame to see if I can make it out. I can’t seem to login to dharmasecrets, says my password is wrong (though I know it’s right), so either they screwed up my account or my firewall here is messing things up.
Maybe it’s Jacob.
It’s a coffin for the Lost writers. I mean, this IS the future, right? What in the hell are the Lost writers going to do after f’ing up such a great show?
No worries, Nico. There could only be a risk of giving offense if we expected better of you. Just kidding… I agree that they belaboured the whole dodgy “hood” thing How do they set up the casting calls for such scenes?: looking for shifty looking black guys in camisoles and low ridder jeans to convey urban despair against a backdrop of economically depressed, crime riddled streets. Preferred candidates must emanate “ghetto vibe”. Anyhow, my impression was that Michael was firmly middle class although I suppose things could have degenerated for him after his return. Riddled with guilt about the price of his freedom, he ends up destitute and alone on skid row. Also sounds alot like Jack’s fate in the future, except substitute destitution for drug addiction.
“looking for shifty looking black guys in camisoles and low ridder jeans to convey urban despair against a backdrop of economically depressed, crime riddled streets. Preferred candidates must emanate “ghetto vibe”. ”
Almost made me laugh milk out my nose on that one.
I agree. Hilarious.
I love you too Turk! Like I said, they just seemed to indicate that Jack was the ONLY white dude in a large radius so I thought it was worth thinking about. Plus, if you recall Michael was quite destitute due to his injury until his ex set him up. Still, Michael did live in NY & by all accounts is NOT returning to the show at all so… probably not him.
“when Jack gets out of the car I noticed everyone on the street was African American”
Did anyone notice a small but irritating detail about this scene?
- Badass drunken pill munchin’ Jacko crossed the road totally ignoring all traffic. He steps in front of a car which almost hits him, but the SECOND car to appear in the screen is a POLICE car which almost hits Jack too. But the men in blue just keep on cruising. “It’s black neighbourhood, don’t pull over. I’ve got wife and daughter to go home to”
If it were police in Jersey City they would run him down for kicks.
I don’t think Ben & Danielle are both biological parents of Alex. So far we know that if anyone gets pregnant on the island, they die. And we’ve seen that Ben was brought to the island as a boy, so I doubt Ben went off island, got Danielle pregnant, then brought her to the island to have the baby and live in isolation from everyone else. As screwed up as the plot can get, I think that would be over the top for even this writing group.
Mrs. Meister
Danielle was pregnant with Alex when she got there just like Claire; otherwise they wouldn’t have lived. Therefore Ben can’t be the real father.
Okay, it was great to see Sawyer shoot Tom, but that’s the kind of thing we’ve been waiting to see for two years. That said, a couple of things made no sense at all (as usual). First, where was the escape plan for those three who stayed behind, in case the three tent bombs didn’t kill all the Others? And why have three shooters, anyhow, especially Jin with a pistol? Sayid’s got a high powered rifle with a scope, so he ought to have set up farther away, and fired at all three tents, then planned a careful and quick escape route. Next, who on here would not have thought to check Mikhail’s pulse? Come on! You know they would’ve checked! You know it! That was so phony. And why have Charlie enter the code BEFORE setting up the dive equipment? They had no idea how the flood would occur, so wouldn’t it make sense to be prepared for a huge rush of water??? That was just stupid. It’s bad and lazy writing. As far as Charlie’s future goes, well, we know there has to be some huge story shift to fill another 48 episodes, right?
“Next, who on here would not have thought to check Mikhail’s pulse? ”
or put a few slugs in him, weighted him down, and tossed him in the water?
>>>That was just stupid.
(Sorry, for some reason my whole post did not post. It may have been my use of special characters
).
“That was just stupid.”
I agree. One of the biggest flaws I find with this show are the characters just being STUPID! Not asking questions when they should be. Not using perfectly usable underground stations, instead of camping on the beach. Not making sure dead people really are dead. Not sharing information with each other. Stupid. Stupid! STUPID!!
Thought you made your point pretty succinctly with the first post. Not checking Patchy’s pulse pales in comparison to Charlie locking himself into that room rather than exiting and locking the door. Jesus murphy!
Ya! Why not just type in the beach boys song while breathing in damn scuba suit anyway!? He like just runs over there and says. “FA LA LA….OK Desmond you go save yourself with a suit I’m gonna go die now.” I’M SO FU_CKING OVER THIS SHOW!!! NOW I’M JUST WATCHING TO SEE HOW STUPID IT GETS!
So I planned to watch the season finale tonight, but I got a call from a buddy who wanted to golf at 4:30. I figured we’d be done by 8:30 and I could get home by 9:00. Well, on the 17th hole, as it was getting dark, I asked my friend what time it was and he told me it was 8:45 and asked, “What do you have a rendez-vous planned with a girl?” and I responded, “No, I wish it was that, the truth is actually pretty embarrassing”. I finally admitted that I had some interest in watching the two hour Lost Jacktacular. He looked at me with a mix of shock and pity and commented, “I wish you hadn’t told me”. For the last two holes, I suffered through continual ribbing for being a Lost nerd.
Anyway, I finally got home at 9:45 and watched the remainder of the episode. Because I read all the spoilers (which were all accurate as far as I could tell), I didn’t feel that I had missed much. I am probably in the minority in this opinion, but I much prefer Jack’s burned out, drug addled, depressed, suicidal future identity to either his “island” or “past” personnas. Maybe it’s just because he listens to Nirvana on his car stereo. And yeah, Walt looked a lot like Greg Oden standing over Locke in the pit. I’m sure there is some “time dilation” explanation for his extraordinary growth spurt.
Someone finally beat the living tar out of Ben and, more surprisingly, Ben actually displayed lasting signs of getting thrashed to a bloody pulp. Every other time a character has been throttled, he/she appears in the next scene with nary a scratch. However, I couldn’t help feeling a little sorry for Ben as he laid there so helplessly with blood streaming down his battered face.
Maybe I missed something, but couldn’t Charlie have just swam through the porthole that Patchy detonated? Oh wait, I guess this week Charlie can’t swim again. Or better yet, he probably didn’t die at all. And yeah, Patchy himself is on about the seventh of his nine lives.
The big game changer didn’t do a lot for me probably because I had already read about it last week. It’s a somewhat interesting idea, but hardly worthy of season ending cliffhanger. Although it does provide one amazingly great side benefit: NO MORE FLASHBACKS! The writers finally got it through their thick skulls that the flashbacks have become repetitive, time wasting snore fests. So now we can look forward to a season (or half season I guess) of interesting flash forwards. At least they are making progress.
I didn’t know about the game-changer and it still did very little for me. And I think flash forwards are just as lame as flash backs. They are still trying to manufacture an interesting plot instead of just writing one.
And I agree about Charlie. He can swim all the way down from the surface, but he can’t swim out the window down and over to the entrance???
Pathetic.
no matter what he does, he will die. des said he drowns after flicking the switch and eveyone gets rescued, so he died.
just like how he died in all his otehr visions and things happened differently if he did not die.
he figured if he doesnt die, they still wont get rescued.
i thought the same thing as you, but not no more, this makes much more sense.
Other than Charley not dying those previous times, what evidence do we have that something changed since he didn’t die? It seems like the only evidence I heard about that theory was fan generated (like “since charley didn’t die from the arrow, it ended up being Naomi in the parachute instead of Penny”). I don’t remember specifics past about 5 minutes after the show is over so maybe I’m forgetting something.
what makes you think the flashbacks are over? I’m waiting for a flashforward, that has a flashback to now so we can all get answers to what happened yesterday.
Mrs. Meister
Charlie should know that he is not actually dead, except for his totally willful, spasmless drowning. There is a pocket of air just above his head since the water was pouring, in, say, about shoulder level through that (surprisingly fragile) porthole glass. Unless it’s the worst airlock in the world, designed simply to kill people, it should be airtight and all the air above the breakage should be there for, oh, I dunno, basically eternity, allowing Hobbit to breathe for a few hours and practice his (sporadic) swimming ability.
I’m in the middle of watching it right now (HST time zone) and other than too many commercials, not bad so far.
But, the highlight of the show so far: Scentless Apprentice by Nirvana blasting in Jack’s truck. I think that may be the first time ever that song has been played as background music in a network television show. Outstanding. One of my favs by my favorite band.
Tyler - I hadn’t even read your summary when I made my post. We were definitely on the same page on the song choice. One of the highlights of the episode.
i like losts original music,,, i did not like that song….
Which only proves you have shit for brains. One of the best rock songs of that era far & away.
a little harsh…
someone woke on the wrong side of the bed.
Mrs. Meister
This guy has been a thorn in my side for a long time, it’s not about just this one post.
heh heh…funny…preferring original television score to 40 seconds an excellent song by one of the most influential bands of the past 25 years.
sorry…forgot my hyperbole…the MOST KICK ASS song by the BEST BAND of the MOST AWESOME MUSIC GENRE ever created…ever!!!!
what hyperbole? All is see is well-known, scientically proven, and universally accepted fact!
What got me was in the sum up episode, they said “Desmond sacrificed himsel to key the failsafe, releasing the magnetic energy” - ie biggest waste of plot ever. also wasn’t that whole “is the countdown real debate” invalidated in the timeline when desmond saw wht started to happen after he was late pushing the button after kelvin died?
Ya what the hell? That was a big pre-ejac….what the hell ever happenend with the 108 min countdown number punching thing? As I recall not much. What the hatch emploded? Big deal. I hate this show. If Sawyer were dead I wouldn’t watch.
OK, so did anyone notice if the flashback noise was played backward to hint that it was actually a flash forward? I am curious if it was.
Here’s a nitpick… The lady crashing her car beacause she saw Jack standing on the bridge railing is totally BS: lone woman, 2:00 AM, Child in tow, westbound on the 6th st bridge in Los Angeles. Come on, 6th st runs from Boyle Heights to skid Row, now I am a big fan of Downtown Los Angeles, but my palms sweat just driving through skid row in the daytime not to mention at 2:00AM! & there is no way in hell a Rube would just get off the freeway there either, it’s pretty intimidating. So she had to be going to hook up some heroin, no doubt about it, & if she actually lived in the area she would unfortunately have been used to seeing things a hell of a lot more shocking than some junky jumper. Oh & there is no median on the 6th St. bridge either.
Lost still sucks folks, we now have a slightly smaller cast, a few more questions, but still no answers.
“OK, so did anyone notice if the flashback noise was played backward to hint that it was actually a flash forward? I am curious if it was.”
I dont know about that, but on www.thefuselage.com message board, someone pointed out that the name of the funeral home (”Hoff” something) was an anagram for “Flash Forward”.
Why didn’t Charlie just close the door from the other side? Or even if he couldn’t shut the door to stop the water rushing in why not just take a deep breath dive in and swim to the surface? If they could make it down they could make it back up. Takes less time and effort to get back to the surface. They’re not down deep enough to get the bends its just a bit off shore. Pearl divers go down much deeper right? My family watches this show but it bugs me. They just keep tossing out more shocking mysteries and nothing ever gets resolved. There’s no rhyme or reason for why some people stay dead and others resurect. I don’t think they know where they are going with it. People have all these elaborate theories and I think they’re just making it up as they go along. The romance stuff frustrates me too. I like my version better where Jack and Juliet run off together through some kind of time warp, then they have the island all to themselves. They hang out at the housing complex and make grilled cheese sandwiches. Being lost isn’t a bad thing if you’re stranded on a tropical paradise with a goddess munching grilled cheese sandwiches..
Another thing that didn’t ring true about the Charlie death scene was, after the room filled up with water, Charlie was just kind of floating around calmly. When someone is trapped underwater, no matter what the circumstances, his survival instinct will kick in at some point and he will try to do something to escape out of sheer panic. No one wants to drown alive, even someone who is bent on suicide. It would be a horrible way to go. But there is Charlie, unable to breathe, suspended underwater motionless with a faint smile on his face, as if he was getting ready to swim with the seals at Sea World.
Yeah. I laughed out loud at that one. That said although the whole drowning scene required some suspension of disbelief, it was a pretty touching nonetheless. I guess I’m a sappy Turkey.
I thought it was a fine death as well.
mmmmm grilled cheeeze
Well I think JonnyMushio or whatever his name is got this one, folks. Charlie believed he had to drown for Claire and the baby to be saved. Why else the smile? Maybe a little too trusting of Desmond’s precog, but in any case that’s pretty strong love, brutha.
i remember producers hinting at the game changer moment as “the house you are standing in has more rooms than you think” , i read that in spoiler site probably 2 weeks ago.
now how does that relate to that whole thing ? did jack and kate teleport from the island or something? if they were rescued by a ship, they might know where the island is. my best guess for their rescue is that they just awake somewhere outside the island, like cooper but vice-versa.
the bad guys from the rescue ship are probably sent by Hanso Foundation and now want to regain control of the island. its interesting how they know about penelope and desmond.
i think the ‘house’ analogy refers to the people you think are good guys (losties) vs. the people you think are bad guys (Others) and maybe that got flipped a little if the heli-pilot is part of the REAL bad guy crew.
The worst thing I can think of is Bi-polar Ben uniting he’s crew with Jack Lovejoy & The Losties, together preparing to fight some modern day Pirates of the Caribean -dudes approaching from the sea. Almighty Black Smoke, please don’t let it happen.
This is EXACTLY where this show is headed I’m afraid. Just a revolving door of stupid dimestore villians. Plus, if the survivors side with Ben after everything he’s done to them… just ridiculous.
w/o a doubt. it’s pretty standard formula, isn’t it?
Totally, they already did it. The tail-aways were “evil” once only to be good, and now the others are eeeevil only to be good again.
But I swear, I don’t know how much more evil you can get than baby-stealing, gun-toting, torturing, brainwashing others.
Unless Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao, Emperor Palpatine and an Army of Possessed Reagans from the Exorcist bearing machine guns that fire kittens get off that ship– unless all that happens, I’m not sure how much more evil you could make the other others.
But no, we have to believe the others are good. Up is down, Left is right and the writers of Lost suck.
The funeral Jack is going to is most likely for Ben or Locke.
They had this big thing with the flash forward. Why not take that and do it three episodes before the season end? so they can explore the plot development. Why not tell the story, why keep dancing around? Past, future it’s all the same crap just another way to give you little bits of information to tell you a story in the least interesting manner. Like season one, why have all the episodes be about getting ready to open the hatch. spend the last 4 episodes going into the hatch and exploring it instead of waiting for the next season.
this show is so frustrating!
“why keep dancing around?”
well…that’s been perhaps the biggest criticism of the show for 3 years now, eh? a big tease, a little dry hump, then nothing.
I edited out the commercials. Comes out at about 1h 23m of runtime. Pathetic finale - nothing memorable in all that mess.
It was a rather short coffin. Ben was implied.
I think saying anyone specific (well, we know it wasn’t Hurley because it wasn’t a piano box) was implied is an impossibility at this point. It could be someone we haven’t even met yet for that matter.
you don’t know that for sure. Maybe Hurley meets Richard Simmons and they start dancin to the oldies together.
Mrs. Meister
didn’t jack tear up when he read the obit? and called (presumably) kate? and then decided he needed to kill himself???
michael’s death wouldn’t do that…ben’s? doubtful. someone “important”? maybe. my guess is it’s someone significant who we haven’t met yet.
That’s really shitty if it’s the case, talk about a cheap ruse… I wouldn’t put it past these writers though.
I think it being Ben makes sense. Jack’s first call was to Juliette. No one shows for the funeral. No family, no friends. Kate’s reaction to the obit clipping. Keep in mind that Ben said that getting off the island via Jack’s plan was a big mistake. That’s pretty much what all those Jack flash forwards were about (anyone paying attention?). Ben was right, Jack was wrong. Tie that in with Jack’s obsession with trying to crash onto the island yet again and you can the logic of his suicidal slide.
Why do you say the first call was to Juliet? I figured it was to Kate as well & she hung up on him that time. He never mentions Juliet’s name does he?
I agree with Chris. Ben in the coffin is plausible if only because there is a suggestion that Ben’s warning to Jack about Parachute girl and her people turns out to be justified. This could presage a shift in loyalties and allegiances in the next season when Others and Survivors unite against hostile invaders. Who knows?!
That seems to be the angle they’re planning on taking which is just ridiculous. If it were me Ben would be just as dead as the Others on the beach. Why would you EVER think you could trust him?
Agreed, Ben should have been made toast a long time ago - mainly by the hands of his own sheeple. But what can I say, the writers love their bugeyed freak.
Sheeple. I like that. But why the death wish towards Ben. I think he adds some edge to the show. Although his sinister persona and the ominous sense of threat that he once exuded have been somewhat undermined by the Jacob/alcoholic father episodes, he remains one of the best actors on the show. He does what he can with what he is given. You can’t turn a steaming piece of turd into a diamond. Take away Ben and you remove much of the suspense and tension in the show. We want them to be preoccupied with something other than getting off the island. Otherwise this would be nothing more than a slightly grittier Gilligan’s.
Good point about the need for someone to be the focus of evil. I think the writers need to step it up - otherwise the show will continue its slide into staleness. This season, for quite a few episodes, the show asked us to come see what new twist Ben was up to. That’s what made this season such a sham. In the end, what did we glean from the Ben character? Not much. Mommie, dollie, bunny and daddie issues. Big deal. Waste him and lets get on with life.
The writers did it with Alias and milked the Sloan character for far too long. Lazy writing in my opinion. The evil needs to rotate among a few characters to keep things fresh.
What if it is Dr. Botox? Perhaps the Doc decides he loves her too. I am guessing it HAS to be a woman, not a man. I just don’t see a real man tearing up over another guy (oh wait…. Its Jack, forget the real man thing). But anyway thats what I think…
The newspaper clipping says “Man found dead”.
how come nobody got struck by this?
if the flashback was of the upcoming future, how come jack acts like his father is still alive?
first when he tries to get pills by his fathers prescription and then when he asks the chief surgeon to check if his father was more drunk than him
wasnt jack’s father dead and ended with his coffin on that island?
he wan’t in the coffin when jack opened it on the island..
i meant “wasn’t in the coffin”
I thought it was just a little attempt at trickery so the audience wouldn’t know it was the future. pretty weak. however, if christian ISN’T dead…then they should just retitle the show “nobody dies!”