A new Lost low
You know kids, I am really at a loss for words at this point. Tonight’s episode has proven this show is so far off the map that it’s just laughable. The show has about 150 major loose ends and unresolved plot themes, yet what do they do? Hey, how about introducing 4 new characters!!!! YEAH! Then flashbacks for all of them! Woohoo! Let’s just keep dropping people on the island right up until the final episode. Sounds like a great plan to me. I’m done. I don’t think I can take 6 more episodes of this. Oh and one more thing. Enough with the shooting people then having them live! What’s the point? To kill time? First Locke gets shot, but he’s ok. Passed right on through, good thing there’s no kidney there (wink, wink). Then the new rescuer chick is shot. Lucky she had that bullet proof vest! (nudge, nudge). It’s really pathetic episode filler.
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I’m with you there my man. I was determined not to watch this piece of garbage, but ended up watching the last 20 minutes anyway. I was like: “Um Hmm, yeah, right , gotcha, same old same old, mm hmm, uh huh, ahh! Nasty crap! Yeah, uh huh. Right. Stupid. Same old nasty crap. Next!
Can anyone just tell me what happened to those freaking numbers!!??! That has got to be the most irritating loose end ever. If that doesn’t somehow get tied into the resolution of this thing i’ll never watch ABC again, I mean they spent the whole 1st season mentioning those numbers and we haven’t heard anything on them in ages?! All we’ve got is polar bear skeleton’s in the desert
the colonel kurtz comment was awesome–it’s about time. but i don’t think lost should be allowed a reference to such a fine piece of craftsmanship.
i would be so intrigued by these new characters if it were any other show. but this is lost and these plot lines will go nowhere just as all these others have. you know when you add too much salt to your food and it is not salvageable? yeah.
i used to be a drug addict. three or four day, even week-long binges on every mix-and-match conconction i could think of. it would be a week of self-induced nonsensical insanity–circuits in my brain broken where they shouldn’t be and circuits made where they shouldn’t be.
talks with fire hydrants about burrito-shaped hats on tricycles with guns
for arms shooting out bananas at schoolchildren trying to kill me?! ants driving mountains up umbrellas winding people granting pueblo developments?! pleet boodle grat whik plat blosie flajbo triush glep quab shek plah?! fj,heds 4wekjt fsdkjhanb g4re,mt dckjiSnf4trfjk iu43th3.k jtg oid giuort 5 ntg4ui?!
and then i would come down and everything would be normal again minus the three or so day recovery period of mental retardation and the unbearable physical pain surging up and down my entire body. did i really think that!? did i really do that ?!
is this confusion and regret how i’m going to feel during the finale? because i’m starting to feel like i’m being taken on a substance abuse induced ride that makes no sense and never will even when it’s all over.
maybe we’re all colonel kurtz and we’re watching lost through his eyes.
I walk away from last nights epi speechless. I have mixed opinions here. I did enjoy watching it and I thought it did have some good parts, I’m just at a loss to think of any at the moment. But so much was just ridiculous, even for Lost standards. So we have a ‘fake’ plane with a ‘fake’ pilot in the Indian Ocean. And the news is showing live footage of the dead bodies, … right. considering the newscasters were speaking English, I find that hard to believe. And the Darma bear in the desert. What are we suppose to think about that one? Is it the same place as the island, only years later. I guess the island is really the Garden of Eden and the bear is probably the same one Sawyer shot. Sure that makes sense, after all we ‘found’ Adam and Eve in season 1. Oh, and the “I talk to dead people” dude, what a joke. Oh and he is soooooo compassionate that he gave the mother a partial refund. I think I shed a tear. And what about Jack and Kate giving up the other, other other, others, I mean the others… you know locke, Sawyer and their group. Thanks guys! And while I am on Jack, I thought it was humorous,
Jack “answer our questions and I will give you your phone”
Miles “no, give me the phone and I’ll answer your question”
Jack ” oooookaaaay” Can you say PUTZ?
Oh, and I guess we have the original others to thank for the old “I have friends with guns at your head in the jungle” routine. Wasn’t that clever. This is the type of epi that just makes someone never want to watch again. What do we have, 6 epis left? I’m sure we’ll get lots of answers in that time.
One last thing, at the end, I swear I was so ready for Ben to say he knew all this crap because HE WAS SMOKEY. It was almost as comical that he has a spy on the boat. Hey, maybe it’s Michael.
Mrs. Meister
Think about it. It all has no point. Adam and Eve? None of this was even an idea before the audience named them “adam and eve” and started the first absurd theories. This show is totally inbred and feeds upon itself. 1. Writers test something out. 2. fans form theory 3. Writers write to accomodate and exploit absurd theory.
It’s about NOTHING people. JJ Abrams should be hung by the balls IMHO.
‘Jack “answer our questions and I will give you your phone”
Miles “no, give me the phone and I’ll answer your question”
Jack ” oooookaaaay” Can you say PUTZ?’
just think, it took several “talented” (and apparently over compensated) writers to come up with that exchange.
This is why I didnt want the writer’s strike to end. They only create crap. Starvation might make them a little more creative.
Speaking of which, with all these people running around back-n-forth so nonchalantly, where is that old chittering blowhard anyways? Did he decide to take a ‘vacation’ (cue GoGo’s music.. or Madonna’s ‘Holiday’ if you prefer) after the last time he hit that Other’s fence?
Just visited the fuselage and all the fanboys are creaming over the Faraday and C.S. Lewis references. You know, The Soup on E! last week had a great parody called “Reference Movie”–the screenwriters don’t have to be funny or creative, they just have to REFERENCE OTHER MOVIES and let the fans giggle uncontrollably when they make the connection. Hello, Lost!
Dude, I wasn’t “creaming” over the Faraday and C.S. Lewis references, I just liked them and thought they were worth mentioning somewhere where it might be appreciated. Really, if the most interesting part of the ep was the names of the new characters, it doesn’t say much about the story.
oh, by the way, did you happen to notice Locke & Ben ’s faces when Hurley mentioned where the cabin was? I guess Hurley is the next to fall into the corpse hole. OH WAIT, that can’t be it, we already know that Hurley is insane and locked up … but WAIT, we also know that just because you’re shot and fall into a corpse hole, that in NO WAY means you’re dead. What is my point? I guess I don’t have one.
Mrs. Meister
Last nights episode was good actually. I dont mind the new characters (aside from the ghostbuster). And just because something does not make sense right now in the show, does not mean it does not belong on the show. I understand they have loose ends all over the place, but thats what lost does and has always done. Dont get me wrong, lost is maybe the most annoying show I have ever seen. Somehow I am stuck watching it.
Everyone is so mad about how nothing gets answered and nothing gets done. But the fact that the boat is here and the new people are here is a progression in the story and will lead to answers. There has to be a good way to advance the story and reveal information at the same time, maybe this is it?
Do you REALLY love Dawsons Creek?
Mrs. Meister
That would explain the post!
yea dawsons creek (DC) is one of the better shows of all time. The order of greatest shows goes.
1. Dawsons Creek
2. Sea Quest
3. Lost
4. Friends
5. American Idol
6. 1 vs. 100
DC did not really need to tie up a lot of loose ends and it still was a great show. Very opposite of how lost is.
now that’s what i call taste
Do I detect a hint of irony?
Peter Jackson must have been a consultant for this episode and possibly the next 3 or so because of the epic jungle walkabout. And for a moment there I thought John Hammond was gonna show up at the dig site, white suit and all. Don’t hold your breath fellas, in all likelihood they will reach the barracks at around the 9th episode and fire up the chopper at about, let’s see, 12th? Too optimistic?
I should be a consultant for this show. I would just have the cameras follow Kate around in her bikini every episode. The same amount would be accomplished and it would be much more satisfying.
on the beach
in the water
running through the jungle
etc.
Agreed, but bring back Nikki too. They can frolick together on the sand with a big beach ball.
. . . and Ana Lucia while you’re at it. Just don’t let her drive the Dahrma bus, she may have been drinking.
I’m sorry that was over the line. Forgive me. : )
don’t forget shannon! sex scenes with boone! aww yeah!
Well being that each show progresses the timeline about 20 minutes on the island, I’d say you are way too optimistic. Speaking of time progressing, anyone notice that even though Ben had his face beat in to a nearly bloody pulp just 1 day eariler in show time – then the next day he’s pretty much healed up? It’s called CONTINUITY Lost production team – check into it.
the magical powers of the island heal him faster. duh
oh no you di-int. You can’t ‘duh’ the creator.
haha my bad tyler. I retract my “duh” comment.
At least there is something to gobble about in this episode. Mrs. Meister makes some good points above about introducing plot lines that will never be resolved (where ARE they are going with that thing about the polar bear in the desert?) the aimless trekking through the jungle at gun-point and the conveniently lengthy shot of the pilot’s decomposed fingers underwater DURING A NEWSCAST???!!!. That was incredibly insulting. I think that they (the writer-producers of Lost) take a perverse pleasure in not only introducing new questions, characters and plotlines to the show but in deliberately avoiding to answer questions and bring coherence to the show. These people do not want closure. They want to milk this cow for as long as they can. And with viewers desperate for any programming, they are getting a distorted impression of interest in the show. In any case, I said it a long time ago: it is no longer possible to coherently and logically resolve all of the nonsense on this show. With these two new episodes, it is truly the first time that I am realizing that the show is beyond redemption. Surely there is a limit to their arrogance. They must know this and don’t care about the story or characters anymore. With all this, I think that we are now way past the point where it is possible to enjoy all or even most of an episode (yes, this is a revelation to me, which is too bad.
The best that one can hope for are isolated snippets and scenes which are enjoyable or tolerable. On that note, as annoying as I find the introduction of yet a new batch of characters, I actually find the English babe interesting (BTW, she is now THE most stunning woman on the show). The scene with the medium going to Walt’s grandma’s house was a really good example of how the show deliberately avoids even minor plot resolution by providing new information to viewers in an extremely clumsy and confused manner. Aside from that fact, however, I actually liked the character. Almost felt sorry for Ben during his beatdown by Sawyer. Shouldn’t he be in a coma by now? I laughed out loud at the slack-jawed look on Bengirl’s face when she looks beseechingly at Locke who is holding a gun to her father’s head. She looked stoned or mildly retarded. Although annoying, skinny boy rescuer (I think a physicist?) also produced a few amused chuckles. The look on Jack and Kate’s face when they realized this guy was not a “”rescuer” was pretty priceless. Kept trying to remember where I had seen him…
On the other side of the balance sheet, I thought that the rescuers would at least restore the ominous sense of menace once represented by the Others. But who do they send?: the Scooby Doo gang. Did anyone notice the “subtle” set up for the reintroduction of Walt’s character (since the absence of Black characters was rather conspicious with the departure of Michael and his boyah, is this a pathetic attempt to reach out to and placate African American viewers in the age of Obama? Take note of the mysterious (BLACK) man who visited Hurley and is leading the Ben extraction operation) Is anyone even remotely interested in the new mystery introduced? Do we care anymore why this crack team of clowns was gathered to scoop up Ben, assuming that is indeed the true purpose of their mission? And what’s with the haunting of granny’s house? Don’t know, will never know, don’t care? What’s with the hidden wad of cash? Don’t know, will never know, don’t care. What’s with the drugs? Don’t know, will never know, don’t care. Is the medium also a crook and a liar? Don’t know, will never know, don’t care. Who else thinks that they plan to resurrect Naomi? They seem to be carting around her body (for the love of Pete, can someone please close her eyes?!) for an inordinately long amount of time. And on the subject of Naomi, for someone with military training, need I say more? And finally, the medium thing might be a croc of shit but he will prove to be a useful device in providing answers to the regulars. He will, of course, find his way to Jacob in the cabin for a Poltergeist-like confrontation. Not sure why I keep watching but I have definitely stopped hoping.
turkey:
1. That is a lot of typing.
2. This is a hybrid style of television show. Its a mystery/action advernture/ drama / comedy (that dog is funny) /romance. But I will say that the majority of the show is centered around the mystery element. If you answer all the questions then you do not have a mystery anymore, you just have a funny drama with a dog, much like the movie air bud.
3. Again I will have to say, that they are answering questions that people have had from past episodes by introducing new questions now. This is much the same strategy the Dawson Creek producers used with Pacey.
Now don’t you feel all educated now poultry man?
Mrs. meister
Yeah, he sure showed me. Silly me. I just have to sit and enjoy the endless layers of mystery without any real point or hope of resolution. Maybe there will be another flashback to an archeological dig where they unearth Ben’s Dharma potty. I can’t wait!
1. had alot of catching up to do.
2. Your explanation makes as much sense as the show. Mystery for its own sake is pointless and circular.
3. They are answering few questions, avoiding past questions (i.e. what is the smoke monster). The Walt mystery is not an interesting plot twist or a tantalizing puzzle; it’s a plodding plot device to reintroduce the new Walt. I shit on Dawson’s Creek from a high bridge.
You just dont understand magic.
“I shit on Dawson’s Creek from a high bridge.” Quote of the new season. Nice work Turkey.
That English woman is not a “babe” by any means. It’s just that Canadian anglophile wannabe thing kicking in. The Cannucks worship QE2 like nobody else. The money, highways, parks… all named after that still-living pasty prig. Sycophants, the whole lot of them. It’s tied into their collective lack of history, at least an interesting one, and culture.
Anyway, the Australian and Kate are tied for first, and that’s only because Naomi and her tight perky ass is dead. Ben’s daughter may be in second, but until she’s captured with a gratuitous body shot it’s debatable.
Nonesense. I support the repatriation of our Canadian Constitution and severing all ties with the monarchy. Liberate the colonies! Therefore, from my sovereign Canadian standpoint, I declare the English chick a hottie. Anyone else with me?!! Er… anyone? Typical of the French to confuse modernity and originality for lack of culture. Now now Laurent, you brought this on yourself.
Yes, of course. That’s why the only thing original in Canada is called Montreal, but I digress, the Canadian, Kate, really needs to get back on the beach in her panties and sports bra to cement her lead hottie title. Perhaps the Australian will be caught breast feeding Hungry-Hungry Hurley, that would heat things up. I’m sorry, but a chipper and pompous and pasty and toothy Brit anthropologist is the anti-viagara.
Can’t get past the beaver teeth. EDR is the hottie of the show.
Really, when was the last bikini/pantie shot? The cage sex-match with Kate and James?
This show is too tame. If we must endure watching Hurley’s b_tch tits bouncing in slow-frame, and John revealing his bullet riddled ET-esque physique, surely they can throw a bone now and then. What should I expect from a Disney company?
It’s the absurd sociopathic paradigm of Americain TV: murder, death, destruction, gore, bombing, violence, mass-killing = good.
Boobies, sex = bad, very bad.
I find myself half paying attention to this shitty show when it play across my computer. Perhaps the prospect of some more skin would induce me to watch more intently.
I am Canadian, and I don’t like “QE2″ and I don’t think that the british woman on the latest episode of Lost is hottie or a babe.
naomi ?! yikes ! must be your euro-driven taste for hairy women. we here in the U.S. like ‘em…er, less hairy !
That dude was from Saving Private Ryan. Private Upham, the wussy soldier
Ya, he was also in “Spanking the Monkey”
He was also in. It wasn’t half bad. Maggie Gillensomething and James something were in it and played sadomasochists. But he was in something more recent… it’s bugging me.
secretary.
Yes. Yeeeesss.
don’t forget Rose now boys
Mrs. Meister
this was suppose to be up higher, sorry. You boys know who you are.
Mrs. Meister
i flipped over to cbs right after lost and rose was already on a new episode of without a trace. neat.
I guess that goes to show what she thinks of her future on Lost.
Mrs. Meister
I think he is a she. I don’t know many men that would “LUV Dawsons Creek”.
BTW, I didn’t realize that was Walt’s grandmother. And if Walt isn’t dead how is the “I talk to dead people” dude talking to him?
as for Faraday, or Jeremy Davies, he was in Twister and Nell also, but that was longer ago than SPR. Here is a link that tells what he has done-
imdb(dot com forward slash) name (forward slash) nm0001111 (forward slash)
Hope this helps. I know it drives me crazy when I can’t remember something I think I should know.
Mrs. Meister
again, this was in response to Turk, sorry I am distracted by a sick and wining toddler. My apologies.
Mrs. Meister
I am a man. And anyone who says they dont like DC (dawsons creek) is lying or have not seen the show yet. If you like or dislike lost, you will for sure love DC.
do we know for sure that is Walts grandma? Couldn’t it be the new african american fellow?
Any yes there is no chance that helicopter will last more than a couple more episodes. Im sure lock will blow it up soon.
My apologies Sir.
Mrs. Meister
I checked over on Lostpedia and they have her listed as Mrs. Gardner. They have ‘unknown’ under any connections. Also, remember Miles says that her grandson was murdered. I do not think it is Walt’s grandmother.
Mrs. Meister
Was sure I heard a reference to the old lady being Walt’s granny… Would also make sense. Clearly Walt was communicating with the medium as a disembodied spirit, so he must be dead and therefore must be speaking to Locke from the beyond. This is all so stupid.
Enough with the dawson’s creek. is that show even on network tv or some weird cable channel? isnt that the show britney spears little sister starred in before getting knocked up?
I guess I’m done folks. I watched about the first half and kept telling myself that I can do this, it’s a short season, blahblahblah. But like someone wrote a week or two ago, I just don’t have the energy to hate it or hoot at it or talk back to it anymore. It’s all just a circle. Same stupid sorta plots. Same walkin around and around. Same not gettin anywhere. Kind of like being a flea on a mangy dog’s ass while it chases its tail forever. I’m dizzy, I’m tired, I’m just sick of it. I’ll check back to see if something happens (HAHAHA) to make it worth buying on dvd later, but I just can’t do this anymore. Does this mean Lost wins or that I win? Meanwhile on Celebrity Apprentice Nely someone got fired even though Omarosa should have. Marilu Henner is amazingly hot for a fifty something. I like that it had a conclusion, but I don’t think they’ll ever explain Donald Trumps’s hair on that show. Oh well.
For the love of god, if you can watch putrifying shite (and I’m not just referring to Trump’s hair or the Baldwin) like celebrity apprentice, surely you can stand another episode of Lost. Wimp.
You have a way with words Turk, I whole heartedly agree.
Mrs. Meister
How dare you call someone who has endured Lost for years a “wimp”?!?!?!?!?! Just kidding. I probably couldn’t have watched half an hour of Apprentice if my brain hadn’t been numbed by half an hour of Lost. (The fact that Baldwin hardly appeared at all helped too.) Maybe that’s the secret. I’ll just watch like the first five and last five minutes of Lost every week, preserving what’s left of my sanity. It’s just so sad that this could have been a great maxi-series if the’d had an all-encompassing resolution in mind from the get-go and jettisoned all the stoopidness. Instead it’s just a big stinking maxi-pad. Forbidden Planet told the story in two hours, for cryin’ out loud.
Not a bad point. It makes a sad commentary about a show that you can watch the last 5 or 10 minutes and literally not have missed anything. Hopefully, more than a couple of hours of island time will have elapsed on the next show.
Dirk:
Since you have an hour on your hands now checkout the Dawsons Creek DVD’s… You wont be sorry. Its like lost but without a jungle.
You are so insistent, I might consider watching ONE epi. But we’ll see, it may take more to convince L.
Mrs. Meister
I guess that’s meant to be a recommendation, but a lot of people wouldn’t exactly take it that way.
did anyone notice when you see jacob for the first time sitting in that chair it looks like jacks dad.
actually, the first time you see Jacob in the chair it looks nothing like Jack’s dad. That would be in man behind the curtain, season 3. But in this season, epi 1 – yes, we all noticed. Go check out last weeks posts and you’ll find some interesting links.
Mrs. Meister
did you also notice that jacks dad looks like paceys dad from dawsons creek? Maybe the shows are tied together in some fantastic magical way.
alright, you shouldn’t have gone there. I’m done.
Mrs. Meister
I was on another site and I read something that I had forgotten. I thought it when I watched the epi, but who can keep track of all the crap. When Miles calls the ship he is told that the guy he wants is busy. Come on, wouldn’t Miles’ call be like top priority? Stupid.
Mrs. Meister
No, nothing is too absurd when you do everything to hinder progress, as if filler episodes aren’t insulting enough
Surprise, more fresh red-herrings fished up on Lost.
First, the coward from “Saving Private Ryan” is typecast as another nerdish coward. Then his cohort, a sociopath who played Junior’s asylum mate in “Sopranos” is typecast as a sociopath who communes with spirits. There’s something about angry asian guys that disturbs me. Miles plays it with aplomb… again.
Fahey, fresh off a stint as a drunken eccentric BBQ chef in “Grind House” plays a drunken eccentric pilot.
The writers are well versed in viewer complaints. It’s painfully obvious with their ham-fisted approach to addressing them.
They reference Walt Chamberlain’s height: check.
They reference Dharma brand Polar Bears vacationing in warm climates: check.
They reference why they keep Ben alive when they can kill him: check.
They reference what the hell is the smokebeast: check.
And yes, Locke is always right. Jack is always wrong.
Reference Locke’s gunshot wound: check.
you’re spot on…they trip over themselves to address critics’ points, even if they don’t actually ANSWER them.
next episode, expect this question to be brought up and remain unanswered…
Sayid: “so…anyone remember that big statue with the 4-toed foot? that was weird, huh? I mean, what’s up with that? “
I have watched Lost religiously until season 3 where I realized how lame and uninteresting the characters have become and redundant but checked back every once in a while hoping a new writer would resurect my interest to no avail I saw the last 2 episodes of season 4 and was completely bored. Now I read that this pathetic show is scheduled for 2 more seasons- come on there just isn’t enough there for more than a few more episodes to even get anyone interested in tying up. Lame = Lost for good I’m afraid and I will now do some reading instead of tuning in. Good luck on finishing off this garbage if you dare.
dont hate the player hate the game
You are wrong, imbecile.
If dirty asshole hacky-sack players did not exist there would not be a game. Someone started juggling a bean bag. A bean bag didn’t seek to be juggled. A fundamental mistake by the urbanized hoi polloi that so often like to parrot this street credo.
Calling someone a player-hater is a disingenuous attempt to get someone that knows better, perhaps better bred or simply more intelligent than 95% of the zombie masses that watch Dawson’s Crack perhaps (?), to lower their standards. It’s trying to make someone feel better about catering to the lowest common denominator.
Cristal isn’t for poseurs.
If you tune into Dawsons Creek episode # 147 you will see the error in your ways. Dawson and Pacey get together for Halloween and learn a valuable lesson that Laurent could benefit from.
I found this video that the Lost producers hid on one of their websites that gives “jacob’s” backstory:
www(dot)funnyordie(dot)com/videos/2620
How bad must this show be getting when JT won’t even show up here to defend it anymore
truly, I logged on as soon as it was through airing last night here in Hawaii and Tyler had just posted the summary but I was at a loss to even post anything because the lameness has reached the level ludicrous where you just sit and shake your head and don’t even know what to say anymore.
Also, now that the cat is out of the bag from JJ that the show is ad hoc and he has no intention of anything other than continually creating mystery without feeling any responsibility for resolution, it makes watching the show that much more painful. (Again, if you haven’t watched the ted(dot)com video, you should)
Yes, JT where are you? I don’t have much time, and typing on my laptop in my care at Panera sucks, so suffice it to say I won’t be missing much the next 4 weeks. They have reached a new low, with the “you want to know why we’re here” teaser only to find out they want to get Ben. Then Ben says he knew all along what they were looking for. I think the freighters are the Dharma folks who know that Ben killed the old Dharma folks. Beyond that, we again learned nothing of substance. Next week another of the Oceanic 6 is revealed. Woo-hoo! Glad I’ll miss that.
Is the writer’s strike over? Does it matter?
I am here, dudes, and apologies for not posting anything on last week’s blog about the premiere. “But JT,” you may ask. “Where were you? It was the Lost season premiere! You shit yourself over stuff like this! You saw Jacob’s eye! And the cabin! And Hurley doing a cannonball! And Kate, as usual, fucking things up all by herself! And an evil Oceanic lawyer!”
It saddens me to type this, but the premiere did not make JT happy, folks. It did not suck — don’t get me wrong. But it didn’t blow me away, not like season three’s finale did. I was expecting so much more, though, and it just didn’t deliver to my possibly-too-inflated expectations. I have no specific criticisms of it, and no specific complimentary words for it — so rather than knee-jerkingly defending a premiere that I didn’t really feel strongly for one way or the other, I just sat back and let you guys do your thing.
But this episode? Was fucking great. Loved it. And I love most of you guys, I really do, but some of these comments…I mean, come on. One of the more common criticisms (not just here — on other boards) I’m seeing is that they showed footage of some underwater corpses. Come ON, guys, who gives a shit? I used to *work* in journalism, and managing editors do shit like that all the time to get people interested, reading, or watching. It gets ratings. Perhaps the fictitious news station on Lost wanted to get a greater viewership, so the fictitious president of the fictitious channel thought “Hey! Let’s show some bloated underwater bodies! People will watch!” Stuff like this, literally, happens all the time.
Turkey, I usually like your posts, but dude, there is literally not evidence whatsoever that hints toward that elderly woman being Walt’s grandmother — a relationship to Eko is more likely, but still not definitive — and the only purpose of that entire flashback was to show that Miles is indeed a medium. The drugs? The kid he telepathically contacted or whatever sold drugs. The money? He earned that money selling drugs. Is Miles a crook? Yes. He stole the drug money. And we’ll agree to disagree on this one, but I think the Charlotte chick is annoying as fuck, personally.
Honestly, though, what other criticisms do you have about last week’s episode? That it introduced new mysteries? New characters? That it’s not resolving plot threads quickly enough? Welp (sighs) Lost has always been a slow show. It always has been, it always will be, and we are only two episodes into the new season. I mean, did you guys honestly expect Ben to launch into an in-depth explanation on the origin of the smoke monster, what it is, what it eats, or its favorite color? A detailed biography of every single crew member on the freighter?
I gotta say. Dudes. I’m disappointed. It’s almost like there aren’t enough specific things to criticize in the episode, so you’re regurgitating “Lost is too slow” or “it has too many mysteries” or “too many new characters” comments. I expect more here.
Don’t hate, yo.
I’ll agree that the underwater corpse thing isn’t necessarily the end of the world and that criticizing it as a major downfall of the show might be grasping.
However, I do think that the reason the 2 epi this season seem to be continuing to go downhill is that, as Tyler said in the first epi summary, the show has so quickly retreated to its usual vices that the lameness has become monotonous and flat.
When we were all trying to intelligently provide critical analysis of the plot holes and how they didn’t jive with this or that from the past, we were still all holding out in the back of our minds that some resolution that provided at least a cursory pay-off may eventually occur.
At this point though, it becomes more and more obvious every week from the show itself that the progression of plot is merely to maintain suspense(let alone JJ’s more than tacit admission that he has no intention of ever answering anything and there is no overall thread).
One prerequisite for true suspense though is that you care about and expect and outcome, even if it isn’t the outcome you want.
If you know going in though that the premise is not based on an anticipated outcome, then the premise itself is worthless. Isn’t the point of writing supposed to be a premise followed by an outcome? This show is just premise after premise after premise with an occasional suggestion of outcome (that turns out to be a red herring) just to distract you from the “all we have are premises” formula.
Once you accept that there is truly no intention of an outcome on the writer’s parts, then it’s like when you found out there was no Santa Claus – after that, you didn’t even turn your head at the mall when you walked by the big guy every christmas.
It seems that is where a lot of people are finally arriving this season…ready to accept the situation for what it is and either watch the show purely for a chance to shut off your brain and not expect anything or else find yourself no longer able to even put into words how lame the whole thing has become.
Stop holding out hope and living in denial JT and join us on the dark side.
Incredible post Mr. Stick.
The allegory of the Santa Claus is perfect.
It’s make-believe wrapped in make-believe.
It would be just as absurd to get angry at next week’s South Park because you find Kenny is back. Didn’t Kenny get killed last week? Lost is just absurdism, but not for laughs, but for chills and suspense. It’s sitsuspense instead of sitcom. Although it doesn’t quite work.
I had a nice big retort typed up for JT, but I lost the connection I had and forgot to copy it first. Dang. JT welcome back, and suffice it to say if I weren’t in the military I’d ask for some of what you are smoking. Good Lord, you are a fan boy. I like Lost, I get into the episodes, but in the end, these episodes have offered nothing. I correlated how you feel when you leave Cloverfield (ass hurting) to how you feel after you see these Lost episodes. Buy a big bottle of KY for Season 6 episode 16 because you are going to be hurting otherwise. Team Darlton is going to leave you without so much as a hug. I can deal with the Sopranos ending abruptlly as it did, I felt cheated early on but now I think that was the right way. Lost is just not going to be worth it in the end. And frankly, if Matt “Do I have Parkinsons or what” Fox doesn’t ease of the shaking, I’m going to puke like a Cloverfield viewer. Yes, it’s petty to pick on actors in the show, but come on Matt, keep the head still! Face it folks (and by that I mean JT), there are no answers, and they’ll get the 6 people off, and that will be it. No numbers, smoke monster, Walt Chamberlain or any other explanations. And all the fanboys (JT) will be soiling themselves over what a great series it is, going to Lost conventions like Trekkies (remember the Bill Shatner Saturday night live episode?) and wearing tattered clothes and Dharma Logos and still debating 40 years from now what the freaking numbers mean and what the smoke monster is because Darlton will never answer it. Sorry for the long reply but this is my last more than likely for a while. See you all in 4 weeks, when the 5th “Oceanic 6″ member is revealed.
You have very nicely articulated why so many of us feel utterly uninspired even to criticize the first two epis: premise without the expectation or even the hope of resolution = indifference.
You know, I had that very same “bloated waterlogged corpse” argument with a friend who has drank heartily from the JJ Fan Club Kool-Aid. Perhaps, it’s just because I’m a youngster but I can’t recall seeing a close-up image of a bloated waterlogged corpse on daytime news, ever. Much less one that was focused on for long enough that someone could say “hey I know that guy, well, no wait, I should but that isn’t him because he doesn’t have a wedding ring on…” Riii-ight.
Now, of course, my friend responded with “well, it’s just a TV show they can stretch the truth and junk” and I agree, Lost is just a silly old TV show so there’s no reason why Corpsey McWaterlogged would be “THE THING THAT RUINS THE MAGIC” but it’s still annoying to see something so forced and then have to hear about how genius the show is…
word up!
it wasn’t even that he recognized a tattoo, or bald spot, or some other permanent feature…his wedding ring??
lost does suck but your a weirdo for taking so much time to make a webpage about it you wierd bastard.
wow, now THAT was a salient and intelligent post. Do you feel better now or have the three neurons in your brain not yet figured out how to fire in just the right order to create the feeling of pleasure?
I just went back and looked at “lost theories” to see what I posted back in 2007, and I am proud to say that I am SPOT ON.
This show has no point. The lostfanboys are still trying to fit all the data into their little models and have come out failing miserably. Ha.
The 5th survivor of Oceanic that will be revealed Thursday will be one of the random people that we have never seen on the island.
No way, you mean a random character who we have never seen and who has NO ROLE in the show up until now? I am so shocked.
I think all these new characters, aside from stalling the show, are merely backfill for the clumsy convergence on some sort of absurd, pathetic theory.
Since people keep talking about it, here are the six survivors: Jackass, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sun, and Sayid. This info is confirmed in multiple spoiler threads. And “Lost” still sucks.
What about Sawyer? When Jack and Kate had their clandestine meeting in the flash-forward at the end of last season, there was some cryptic reference to Kate having to take care of someone at home who is somehow dependent or helpless or something. I always assumed they were taking about Sawyer but of course, no name was mentioned.
nah, sawyer don’t need to keeper ! didn’t you hear? he’s gonna do what he always does: survive !
Yeah – that line was epi winner for cheesiest, although at least he made his choice for survival reasons rather than booty.
Great, post all the spoliers you want here – keep em coming. Just don’t tell us what the smoke monster is, some things are too sacred to reveal.
why is everyone a professional tracker in this show? I mean its a jungle, how easy is it to track people walking through it? I dont think its a skill that 95% of people on an airplane can normally do? Maybe its just the magic of the island again though..
Based on my vast experience as an Iroquois scout, tracking is in fact pretty difficult especially on what are starting to become well-trodden paths. But apparently, Kate (Kate for god’s sake!) has a acquired exceptional skills in that department.
I love it ! not only are they skilled in tracking, but a woman who recently took a knife to the back (and who is bleeding out) is even able to create false tracks, hide her real ones, then ambush the person who recognized the fake tracks in the first place: kate !!!
If that island is giving out skills and traits magically, I’d ask for something better. I mean, resurrection is pretty cool, but tracking seems lame.
i would like the ability to fly and then i would um like…fly somewhere else.
Just read in the news that we may yet get all 8 episodes of Lost this season. Yippie-ki-yay.
Do you mean all 16? I thought we had a lock on 8 even with the strike.
Yes, I mean possibly all 16 then. Read it on CNN today.
Sounds like a terrorist threat to me.
Can someone recommend a past series (preferably drama) that is up to my high standards (Lost is truly an anomaly for me… really). Just coming to the end of The Sheild. By way of background, my tastes are pretty far ranging: Deadwood (best series ever made), NYPD Blue (the first three seasons before it all went to shite), Life (currently suspended due to the strike), Battlestar, Hooperman (does ANYONE remember this?) The Job (with Denis Leary — cancelled after two seasons) and yes, Chicago Hope. I have also been known to watch the occasional episode of House, the Sopranos (although I found it mostly slow and dull — heh heh I will get some heat for that one), Nip Tuk and Grey’s Anatomy. I would rather be subjected to Chinese water torture than to shows like ER, Dawson’s Creek and Desperate Housewhores. Any suggestions?
ohh man turkey I was all ready to make my recommendation for you until that last sentance. bummer for you.
The only drama we were ever really into was Judging Amy. It is off the air now, but I think it was a great show. (and in the later part of the series, Cheech shows up) Not that that is a huge endorsement, but he actually played a good character. Other than that, I love King of Queens, which If you’re unfamiliar with is comedy, not drama, but it is one of my all time favorites. Hope that helps.
Mrs. Meister
I’d forgotten about Judging Amy. I liked it too and actually followed the show for the first couple of season, then moved and kind of lost track. I think one of the last epi I saw is when the surrogate gives birth to a Black baby. Are you serious about Cheech?!
I’m serious. But his character is a good one. It is a good story line with him.
Mrs. Meister
Sorry I don’t have any recommendations. I haven’t seen most of the shows you mentioned. When not torturing myself with Lost, I mostly stick to Discovery, Nat Geo, History channel stuff. Interestingly, the History channel has a lot of cool stuff like the “Mondern Marvels” and “Monster Quest” series. Between those and a steady stream of Netlfix movies, that fills my TV time entertainment.
Yeah, someone recommended Band of Brothers on the History channel.
We actually have this on DVD. I got it for L for his birthday, but we haven’t watched it yet. Thanks for the reminder.
Mrs. Meister
I think St Elsewhere is probably one of the best hospital dramas made and for Christ’s sake, look at the cast it had, Mark Harmon, Stephen Furst, Howie Mandel. How can you go wrong?
CPT Preevyet, currently in training and nowhere near a TV. Help!
But you have internet access!
Veronica Mars got a lot of good reviews for its first season anyway. I never actually saw it but it was on several Top Ten lists that first year.
It’s not a “past” series, but I’m kind of enjoying “Breaking Bad” on AMC. Has a nice Elmore Leonard flavor to it. And it’s only scheduled to run 7 episodes (they just did #3), so you might want to wait a bit for AMC to do a back-to-back marathon when it’s all done.
Have you seen Jericho? Its starting back up this week, maybe even tonight Ill have to check. Its a good one.
I don’t know man, you’re going to have to provide a list of your top 5 favorite shows in order for me to even consider that suggestion… Snort. Gobble. Seriously.
Evangeline Lilly was on Letterman last night. Didn’t say much about the show. She looked extremely pretty, I thought. One of the few reasons I find to keep watching Lost is the fact that there are so many pretty women on it – for just about anyone’s taste.
Ya, there’s a reason she used to do the phone sex commercials
I wonder if she and the hobbit went separate ways. She yammers on about being unemployed and her trip to China (how uninspired) with a girlfriend. Perhaps she’s answering that phone sex line as we speak.
I think Letterman’s only real question about Lost was “Did they ever get that damned hatch open?” She laughed and said “Dave I watch your show, why can’t you watch mine/” Unfortunately they must have already done the top ten list by that point.”
Why are there so many Lost haters on this website? Take a shower, shave, sober up, and then sit down and re-watch the episode on ABC.com. You might change your mind.
A condor is an elegant name for a buzzard. They both like to feed off scraps.
Laurent, the California Condor is actually a pretty cool bird.
Darhh… Ok, George… can I pet da mice now George, can I?
“Pretty cool birds”, just like how “Lost”, for you, is a pretty cool show. A very simple understanding.
Laurent, do yourself a favor and log onto this website called “Google.com” and then type “California Condor” into the search box. Your eyes will be opened to the glories of the California Condor.
You’re welcome.
P. S. you’ll have to excuse me while I go watch some Lost on ABC.com. I’m new to the Lost bandwagon and I have some catching up to do on old episodes.
One question – why did you Google “lost sucks” if you like the show?
Just because I Google something doesn’t mean I believe it.
Maybe I was curious about people who hate the show.
Fair enough.
well libby the nut secured a new one-time role on law and order ci on abc. i hear they paid her in jack daniels.
David Silver from 90210 may have been killed off of the Sarah Connor Chronicles. This has nothing to do with the price of rice in China, except that the fictional California U that they attended had adopted the Condor, or glorified buzzard, as their mascot.
Lena Headey!
Classic. A Lost-hater actually follows “Sarah Connor Chronicle.”
Laurent, let me give you some free advice: if a TV show is based off of a movie, don’t watch the show.
KTHXBYE
matt, I doubt you’ve ever been out on a date with a girl as cute as Libby so you best top insulting her.
That’s “stop insulting her.”
retort. happy?
It’s so nice to see everyone getting along. Please would someone pass the marshmallows and graham crackers?
Mrs. Meister
Don’t forget to watch Lost.
I won’t. Don’t forget to come back here tomorrow and watch your beloved show get dismantled for the drek it truly is. By the way, what flavor is JJ Abrams’ Kool-Aid these days? Is he still going with the grape?
Hey I’m relatively new to the Lost bandwagon. But I am certainly enjoying the ride.
If you watch the next episode you might come back to this website singing a different tune.
Not likely, but here’s to optimism…
Mrs. Meister
Guys, I’m fairly certain I’ll be drunk when I watch Lost tonight, so forgive me if my initial post is more nonsensical than usual or a little late. I will have something up tonite though.
it’s colo im drink all thhe time a nd no i don’t shaev or shwoer god dammit
;D
yup. it’s official. you’re retarded!!!