Law and order – Lost style
I thought the most ironic quote of the show was when Ben tells Locke, “here we are again in the same place and you are more lost than ever”. That pretty much sums up the show, as well as all of us as viewers after 4 seasons. But this episode was all about Kate – and her lack of any semblance of intelligent thought or action. It took her all of 5 seconds to do exactly what the Bruce Lee guy wanted her to do. Oh you want to go see Ben so you can tell me something about myself? Sure, let’s go. I don’t know about you, but I could think of a lot better answers to get out of the dude than, who am I? The soap operatic love triangle angle is pretty much unbearable at this point. The final clincher with the baby was pretty much telegraphed with the clothesline scene. Just more mid-season filler. Overall a pretty sloppy episode that I give a 7 out of 10 on the new suck-o-meter. (10 being the worst episode ever, 1 being some of the decent season 1 episodes)
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The important thing to remember about Lost is that the writers are NOT very good, and NOT very bright . . . yet they absolutely believe they are brilliant. This very clearly explains why the show drifts here and there at a sluggish pace and rarely ties anything together. Case in point: the most significant and unanswered, yet simple question, in Lost is this: WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN??? For godsakes, where are the children everyone was, rightly so, worried, concerned, angry, about during season one. Oh, I know, they were led off into the island wilderness by that band of Others we no longer hear or talk about. But people, really, at least SOME of those on the beach would ask WHERE IN GOD’S NAME ARE THE CHILDREN???
This by no means precludes asking why aren’t they exploring the hatches anymore, nor why no one seems to hunt pigs, nor why anyone at all asks about the three toed giant statue. Because the true answer is that the writers don’t care about any of those threads. Either that or they’ve forgotten about them. And they certainly don’t have kids of their own because if they did, they’d let someone on the island ask, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE CHILDREN?????
ohhh yeah i forgot about that.
I agree about the children. I too forgot about them. Kates question she asked the ghostbuster in exchange for talking to Ben was seriously the worst thing ive ever seen. —> I will do you a favor, if you tell me something I already know….? huh??… But even though this episode had a couple of dumb things overall I really liked it.
Actually, since Kate is a fugitive it makes sense that she would be desparately trying to find out if her potential rescuers know about her.
This ties in with earlier episodes when Kate was trying to forge a passport. But maybe your attention span is too short to remember that far back.
wow…that’s an excellent point. I’m sure we could collectively remember 100 or so “VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENTS” of the show that have been nearly or entirely ignored. proof again that the show’s strength (er…gimic) is intrigue, not resolution.
NEWS FLASH: The series is not over yet! It’s not 2010 yet! Why would they answer all of the questions 2 years before the show is over?
Get a clue, bro.
My point is not that the show hasn’t told us where the children are, but that the characters don’t even ask that question, nor seem to care — which they most certainly would in real life. Someone would want to know because they’d care. No one asks and no one cares on the show, because the writers don’t care what happened to the children. Yet they should, and would if they were any good. But they aren’t.
Jack saw the children when he was with the Others. Remember when Jack saw the Australian flight attendant (named Cindy, I believe)? The children were with Cindy and they were all with the Others. Jack knows that the Others are taking good care of the children.
don’t taze me, bro’ !
you’re assuming they’re going to start answering questions at all. at the rate they’re going, they’ll have to knock off a dozen an episode…worse, they’re still RAISING NEW QUESTIONS !!!!
the ’story’ is 2/3 over…bro’
Patience is a virtue. Why would they reveal all of the answers right now?
you keep asking, so I’ll keep answering…for now…
no one here has ever advocated for getting ALL the answers in one shot…but 1 or 3 would be a great start. I’m assuming you’ve not taken time to read the FAQ or peruse previous threades, but this is one of the most prevalent (and widely accepted) criticisms of the show: it fails to deliver resolution to many of the ‘mysteries’, fails to resolve storylines, while simultaneously raising new questions and introducing new characters.
we’ve tired of clues.
Excellent points, not to mention I wouldn’t ever sit casually on a porch sipping coffee when I knew somewhere, ANYWHERE on the island there was a invisible monster capable of materializing and killing people at any second! I’d be holed up in a cave sweating bullets with a shaky gun pointed at the entrance.
Tyler, man, I would expect better from you. You forgot about the sonic fence.
Oh right, the 10 ft high magic fence that the smoke is not able to go over. Forgot about that one.
I will admit that you do make a decent point here. But, perhaps the smoke monster is only as intelligent as a bear, so it wouldn’t realize that the sonic waves only went a dozen feet high.
The fact that you think the children not being shown is a big problem says a lot about you. The children are with the Others right now. Why do you think that’s such a big deal? I’m sure the show will get back to the Others down the road.
Chillax, dude.
so locke gives ben a book, but ben has already read it so locke says to read it again as ben may have missed something the first time. it just made me think “oh yes there will be comment bubbles on the pages this time” i just hate the pretentiousness and condescension toward viewers regarding those “enhanced” episodes that air prior to the current weekly episode. those “easter eggs” are so obscure and for the most part extraneous to the point where they don’t even need to be present. and then the show does all of us oblivious viewers the favor of showing us how clever the show was to include said easter eggs. if they are that important, make em stand out, or at least make them matter. i can watch an episode of “arrested development” which was my old favorite tv show five or six times and i could always catch something new– something significant– something to make me want to watch an episode more than once. i couldn’t possibly want to watch an episode of lost twice. if i missed something, it didn’t matter anyway because nothing matters in this show anymore.
I watched Through the Looking Glass twice and I really enjoyed it the second time around. I think it was about 8 months between viewings, so maybe if you gave it some time you’ll be in the mood to re-watch some LOST.
Holy shit.
That episode sucked so much ass that I’m a little stunned.
Yes, I’m 100% serious. I was fucking bored the whole time. It was a waste of an hour of what could have been quality television programming. I was bored with Evangeline Lilly’s atrocious acting, bored with the asinine twist at the end, bored with the annoying kid, bored with the courtroom, bored with the entire episode. The only redeeming factor was when Locke put the grenade in that dude’s mouth.
Blow me, Lost. When are the writers going to realize that NO ONE CARES ABOUT KATE’S STORYLINE ANYMORE?
Welcome Back JT!
I agree about the grenade, that WAS pretty cool. My only question is, if it goes off, will he really die, or just come back like everyone else?
Name one person who had come back to life.
The russian guy who ended up killing Charlie. Didn’t locke push him through the sonic fence causing him to foam from the mouth and die?
No. The sonic fence was not on death-level.
Not on “death level”. What the ….!?
Who are you? The sonic fence tender? You are really ridiculous!
Yes… the Russian himself said it.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you don’t actually pay close attention to LOST.
JT, I agree totally. sorry it’s struck you so hard, but I found myself entirely ambivalent about the story, the characters, the show…I’m basically following just enough so that if (???) there ever are explanations, I get some payoff.
but frankly, I don’t see there being much in the way of plot advancement this season. a few more questions raised, some interesting, some predictable.
I found sayid’s future piqued my interest. kate’s didn’t. in fact, that we now know aaron is with Kate, we know something happens to claire. so…how long will we have to wait for that f’in drama to unfold?!?! a whole hour (or more?!) devoted to claire dying and being reunited with charlie in the etherworld.
Actually, we picked up an interesting plot point: Jack and Kate had a fake story about how only 8 people survived the crash. Plus, we don’t know if Kate’s son is Claire’s Aaron or another Aaron fathered by Sawyer.
Also, we know that the helicopter is probably having problems.
how could it NOT be the Claire’s aaron? Did you see how big that thing was, and it talked! They aren’t far enough in the future for it to be Kate’s actual kid – you do the math
It can easily be someone else’s kid (even Kate’s) because the Lost writers don’t give two damns about internal story logic. You have to wait around for them to explicitly explain whose kid it is, but even that explanation would be suspect because everything on Lost is lies and red herrings—proving once again that this show is a pointless exercise in futility until the last half of the final episode.
Maybe the trial takes place three years after they get off the island.
I think the “da da da” music at the point she said Aaron was enough of a clue that it was Claire’s Aaron. Add to it the fact Jack is apparently afraid of the baby says it was Aaron.
ha! seriously?
the helicopter is having problems…probably…that’s the big plot advancement that took 60 minutes to tell??
you’re an idiot, bro’ .
plus the “fake story” was already alluded to several times in previous episodes.
I almost feel like the writers pulled the rug out from under me — like they crafted three pretty-damn-good episodes only to reveal, in episode four of the new season, that it’s still really all about who Kate’s in love with.
A fucking attorney asking Dr. Jack Shephard, on the witness stand, if he LOVES THE DEFENDANT? I literally shook my head in disbelief when I heard that line.
Interesting to note that this episode was co-written by Elizabeth Sarnoff, who also co-wrote (unless I’m mistaken, and please someone correct me if I am) everyone’s favorite Lost episode, Stranger in a Strange Land!
JT,
Love is a part of the human experience. It’s part of the mix of drama that makes LOST interesting. If you were marooned on an island with a girl that looked like Evangeline Lilly don’t you think there’d be a possibility that you might fall in love with her?
Uhhh, no I’d be nailing the pregnant chick (no chance of getting her pregnant AGAIN) not to mention that EdR is 100 times more hot than Beaver teeth.
I guess you missed the whole part where it was revealed that Jack and Kate were claiming that only 8 people on Oceanic 815 survived. We learned a little more about the charade they had to play to get off the island.
Don’t even fucking try to defend this episode, and don’t condescend to me with tripe like “we learned a little more” about the charade they had to play in getting off the island. This episode was trash. Shit. Garbage. Slow-moving and poorly written. Crap. I could give two shits about some line about there being eight people who survived the plane crash. That doesn’t make up for a shitty episode.
I’ve been a fan of this series since day one, and I’ve staunchly defended every single episode — even the shittier ones — from everyone on this site. In most cases, I’ve succeeded. Even with *weak* episodes, I doggedly refused to let people barrage the show with criticism I didn’t feel was warranted. This week, the criticism is warranted, and I hope to God almighty that at least one writer strolls onto these boards and reads one of the posts.
So please. Just stop. Even great shows have weak episodes, and this was a weak episode — and it pisses me off to no end because it could have been good. But it wasn’t. Stop trying to make it something it’s not.
Frankly, while it may not have been the greatest thing I’ve ever seen, it was entertaining television.
JT, I’m shocked especially after you got defensive about us making fun of you. I honestly thought this was a good episode, then again I don’t care about the Kate-Jack-Sawyer triangle. The funny thing I think people are missing is that what happened to everyone else? Saayid is with Ben, so they must have been together, and that means there is another way off the island. I think some people are missing the trees for the forest. Think about it, I’ve deduced some things and I’m waiting to see if I am right. For one, the guy in the coffin, think maybe he’s someone Saayid killed? Part of the reason they were there? THat is why Jack was torn up perhaps. How did Ben get off the island? And did the other survivors stay? The only ones with reasons to leave did, the others like Sawyer probably opted to stick around. Or maybe there’s some time warp issue that will come about in the final season where the remaining hostages are found. Maybe they did try to rescue them but they were lost in a time thingy. I’m not defending this show as much as now I think I see where it’s headed. JT, don’t lose the faith, I now think that all the episodes this season have been intentional in their suckiness and misdirection, and by the 8th or 10th episode we’ll see where the show is headed. In the meantime, just enjoy the suckiness.
Another great episode for LOST.
Seriously no other show touches it.
U.N.C.L.E. touched it. (the man from), but that’s our little secret.
no show would, even a show about a 10′ pole !
Be careful, bro, I think we have a lot of American Idol lovers on this site.
I kept saying over and over to Mrs Meister – “This is the worst Lost episode, possibly ever”. Nothing, absolutely nothing happened. I mean, we didn’t even walk in the jungle. Parakeet probably was in rhapsody of the riveting Kate flash-forwards, but they sucked too.
Even the insignificant, minor characters like Kate’s mom are inconsistent. In every previous episode she either screams or says how much she can’t stand her. Now, suddenly, she loves her again. “everything changed when I thought you were dead”. What?!!?? Ridiculous.
The scene with ghost-boy was even more stupid, worthless filler. I loved the “deception” of Locke and watching Locke and Sawyer racing (why?!?!) through the woods to the mysterious boat house. What a crock.
Perhaps the best scene was Kate walking in on the shirtless Sawyer. I looked over at the wife and said “Oh look, Fabio has joined the cast!”
if sawyer comes across a blow dryer, he can feather his hair and win the Island Farah Fawcett Lookalike Contest !!
I thought the highlights really emphasized his cheekbones.
Let me give you some free advice: PAY ATTENTION when you watch LOST.
1. We learned that Jack and Kate have a sham story about getting off the island where they way only 8 people survived.
2. Kate’s mom did a 180 because she thought that Kate had died. That’s very legitimate.
3. We don’t know if Kate’s Aaron is Claire’s Aaron or another Aaron fathered by Sawyer. Maybe that’s why Jack didn’t want to see little Aaron.
4. We learned that Miles has been sent by a powerful enemy of Ben’s.
5. We learned that Dan is having memory problems.
Let me give you some free advice, Parakeet. This is what we all have learned about you:
1. You are so in love with the show that you blindly follow it like a lap dog and have no ability to objectively critique an episode.
2. You are so lame that you repeat yourself multiple times within the posts
3. You are new here and yet you have insulted posters that have been around for quite a long time. Hence you are a rude jerk.
4. You have no clue how to frame a real argument, you just write soppy, lame commentary parroted from the commercials and other fan sites.
5. You still really, really, really suck
Yawn. Let me know when you have a real complaint.
Glad you haven’t abandoned us JT.
Last nights epi was such a let down and that is saying something because my expectations were already pretty low. I actually think it entered negative numbers on the suck-o-meter. To list all that was bad would be like writing a book and I just don’t feel inspired. I think Tyler was generous to rate it so high. IMO it was the worst epi ever.
Mrs. Meister
It was one of the worst episodes ever. Absolutely. Fucking dreck. And this is coming from someone who still loves the show.
Sorry about my little tirades last week (Preev, if you’re reading this, are we still pals, dude?) Some of the comments on Tyler’s previous blog posts were pissing me off, mainly because the first three episodes of this season have been pretty damn stellar, IMO.
But yeah. This one blew goats. Multiple goats. Lots of goats. Dozens of them. And this love-triangle shit between Jack, Sawyer, and Kate has GOT to stop. Seriously. No one over the age of fourteen years cares about this idiotic plot thread.
But half the fans are 14 or under….
It was a breather from the fast-action episodes.
When were the fast action episodes? After the first season, Lost has been steadily slouching toward irrelevance.
Yeah, Through the Looking Glass was just so slow…
No problem, JT, we all have a bad day and as nice a guy I am I can really rub someone wrong at the wrong time. As I said up the comments, I think this episode made me see something, and that was there is a direction, and if I read it correctly, then the next 3 should be really good. AT first I was pissed off that I sat in a Panera Bread parking lot for 45 minutes, but after I drove off angry, I realized something and then it clicked. I am going to keep the thoughts to myself for now, and maybe I’m delusional, but I thought this episode dramatically speaking was bad, but storyline I think it was a 9/10 (or a 2/10 on Tyler’s scale). Keep the faith, JT, I’m with you most of the time.
Mrs M, Actually negative numbers would be better, its a reverse scale with 10 being the worst
I understood what you were saying. The negative numbers were on my own suck-o-meter. On your scale, I thought 3 points above the worst was being generous. Let’s just say, I don’t think this epi was ‘one of the worst’, I think it WAS THE WORST. Even worse than Niki & Paulo, worse than the ping-pong tournament, even worse than Bored of the Rings.
Mrs. Meister
My apologies Tyler. I just went back and re-read what you wrote. I missed that you called the meter the suck-o-meter. I probably realized you wrote it subliminally and chose to use it myself. I didn’t mean to be so confusing. OK, so we are all together, I will submit to YOUR suck-o-meter and rate the show about 15.
Mrs. Meister
Gotcha, I think I was a little too generous looking back on it.
Specifics, please.
Specifically, you suck
You are unwittingly making me look good.
Terrible. Now I didn’t watch all of it, mind you, but the parts I saw were dreadful. And any scenes with Kate and Jack (or “Kack”, as we used to say) are insufferable. The two worst actors on the show.
The Ben/Locke convo was not only ironic, as Tyler pointed out, but an admission of failure on the part of the “writers”. I ought to call them hacks. They have absolutely no idea what to do with half the characters, and clearly getting tired with the rest of them. Having gotten bored with their own story, the writers are now jumping ahead to the conclusion to provide some excitement and a feeble attempt at resolution. Only there can’t really be a resolution when there’s a huge gap in the plotline, which they haven’t shown us yet (and probably haven’t written.)
The one thing I did I like about this episode was the title: It seems the writers are finally admitting to the audience that they really have laid an egg with this show. It is a veritable “Eggtown” of rotten eggs.
I think it’s becoming increasingly difficult for the actors to breath authenticity into the nonesense they are forced to spew week after week and it shows.
What’s the “gap” that you mention?
the one between your ears.
I’m the one making intelligent analysis of LOST rather than just crying because the characters don’t ask about the children or because they still haven’t explained the four-toed statue foot.
Nicely done. LMeister. Nicely done.
Boy was this a lousy episode. It looks like the Lost show-runners are now recruiting writers from General Hospital or As the World Turns.
And I hope everyone took note of how the “Big Mysteries” are henceforth going to play out. The BM this week was “How can Kate being walking around free in the flash-forwards when she has all these charges hanging over her head?” Answer: Via an absolute sham of a legal proceeding. This stillborn courtroom plotline was completely unbelievable—pure, 100% unadulterated fantasy. Kate is charged with 1st degree murder, assault, arson, armed robbery, kidnapping (?), and various other related crimes. And yet—AND YET—she walks out free with only 10 years probation!!! Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick!! This gives dumb a bad name! Hey Lost writers: Why didn’t you just have the judge order up a “We’re sorry Kate” parade while you’re at it!? Unbelievable. And this is what the Lost braintrust develops after years—YEARS—of knowing that they will have to somehow “rescue” Kate from all of her legal troubles. Feh…
Oh yeah, the fanboys were also treated to the little nugget that Jackass knew to be hanging out in the courthouse parking lot because the D.A. (or maybe the defense attorney) “owed him a favor.” I bet the fuselage is buzzing over that one.
Back on the island of loose cannons–where everyone does his own thing without any sort of consultation or unified effort—the status quo remains in full force. Information is shared only on a need-to-deceive basis, and the conversations are still pointlessly furtive and sub-rosa. To borrow one of my favorite lines from the Bitterness Fiesta: “On Lost, just getting someone to do the dishes requires three weeks of misdirection.”
Stupid, stupid episode. Easily the worst of the season.
The plea bargain was so stupid. “Yeah, Kate is such a hero and celebrity that no way will any jury convict her, regardless of the mountains of evidence against her, so let’s just give her probation!” Only a moronic fan could swallow that one.
Agreed. And there are plenty of those at the fuselage and TWOP.
I think there are a few floating around here too.
Mrs. Meister
The implausibility of the entire courtroom proceedings was patently obvious even to an infant so you can imagine what it must be like for someone with a legal background to have to sit through. In fact, I changed the channel. Although I don’t practice criminal law, I can say with a high degree of certainty that the DA would not have relied on the mother (a DYING and presumably heavily medicated woman) as her “star” witness. And even if she could have beaten the murder charge, it would have been possible to make a solid case for the other counts. Character witnesses are rarely called during oral argumentation… Oh Christ… forget it. And… that probation offer was merely a set up for creating difficulties when Kate invariably will have to leave the state to return to the island with the other clowns in order to seek collective redemption.
Thanks for the legal analysis, Perry Mason.
Look Parakeet, you are a fool. You have NOTHING to say, just ridiculous cliches. You can’t refute his argument because you KNOW it is on target. You really need to realize that you have no chance of winning the argument that Lost is a brilliant show. I challenge you to state your case without using emotional or “belief” or “have faith” type arguments. I bet you cannot even come close to debating the minds on this site. You sir, are a joke
Fun Fact: Jack’s appearance in the trial was limited to his role as a character witness. In real life (at least in California), character witnesses are only called after the defendant has already been convicted! That way, you don’t have a parade of witnesses coming up to say “she’s a really great gal” since these kinds of comments are completely irrelevant to the case. The Lost writers inhale vigorously yet again.
Sorry Sasquatch, I posted after I read this but made essentially the same point above. You call character witnesses for sentencing purposes. Yet another example of their complete disregard for getting facts straight. Burns my ass. I wonder: are they that dumb or do they assume the viewers are?
Didnt anyone see the OJ trial?
The trial was my main objection too. Soap operas are notorious (and ridiculed) for having main characters commit all sorts of heinous crimes and then walk away through the ever-popular “loophle” and this was as dumb and far-fetched as any of them. I was surprised they didn’t show the prosecutor and judge having a drink together at the end and clinking their Dharma wineglasses together. Just awful. Also find that I have watched this way too much because I know what’s gonna happen. Knew Locke would throw the tray while Ben could hear it. Knew when Locke went running through the jungle that Kate and Asian guy would be with Ben. Knew as soon as they talked about Kate’s kid that it was Aaron. Knew I was gonna hate myself for another hour wasted in my life. Really suckarific.
“I was surprised they didn’t show the prosecutor and judge having a drink together at the end and clinking their Dharma wineglasses together.”
Careful there Bill. Sounds like future flashback material to me.
Yeah, wouldn’t surprise me. Like I said, I’ve been sifting through this silt for too long.
NEWSFLASH: Kate’s dad was abusive. What she did had some justification.
NEWSFLASH: Some justification on one count doesn’t let you avoid jail on six or seven
hmmm, kate and sawyer in the ‘present’ talking about how kate ISN’T pregnant. wait a second !!! what the…!?!?! but kate has a son in the flash forward. who…? but how…? OMG, it’s AARON !!!!
such a big build up for a pretty transparent ‘twist’.
Here’s my problem… uh is he one of the oceanic 6? If so then why after they were rescued, didn’t anyone question why this baby wasn’t on the manifest? If the baby is not in fact “The Aaron” and is just a kid she was pregnant with.. then it begs the question that if there were only 6 survivors on the island… was she pregnant by one of them?
Good point. We don’t know if it’s Claire’s Aaron or another one fathered maybe by Sawyer.
Stay tuned.
Yeah she would decide to name her baby Aaron because everyone on the island loves that name so much. Maybe Sun names her baby Aaron too?
one other thing that bugs me…
the flash forward at the end of last season (when??!!) showed a whacked out jack pleading with kate to go back to the island. yet all the flash forwards this season seemingly occur prior to that moment. that wasn’t even the starting point for ‘future storylines’. so in essence, even the flash forwards are flash backs…yah??
that is, we already know jack has a beard, but now we must suffer through him growing it?!?!
That’s another one of the Big Mysteries: How does Jack go about growing his beard? Kinda like the BM involving the origin of Jack’s tattoos (which the writers assured us was a BM that everyone wanted to know about)
BM? Is that bowel movement?
“Kinda like the Bowel Movement involving the origin of Jack’s tattoos ”
Mrs. Meister
Thanks for appreciating the pun. Yes, it was intended.
Well, if it was intended, you need to sharpen your delivery, pal.
I think most of us picked up on it. Maybe you need to sharpen your mind.
Which all begs the question, when the show finally ends will it be in the present, the current future, the past future, the past, or the past past?
the pluperfect subjunctive
And the problem is…?
you obviously don’t consider lack of plot advancement or resolution a problem…most of the rest of us would, bro’ .
Oh…my…God.
How does one even begin to address this absolute *abortion* of an episode? I must say that all of you have done an admirable job of pointing out the horrendous suckage, but I don’t think mere words can describe the anal-crust that was this week’s episode.
The low point in this epi, and perhaps all of LOST history, was the Kate/Sawyer reparte after they slept together. The dialog was straight out of an afternoon soap opera, complete with the gratuitous slap. (For that matter, Kate’s courtroom drama was lifted from a soap as well.)
Not one redeeming quality from this episode. I actually enjoyed the Eli Stone commercials more.
Is it possible the writers already knew a strike was coming 3 years ago and they secretly colluded to start writing pure crap?
Here’s a nice real-life quote from Sayid (Naveen Andrews):
“I’m still proud of the first season, around the third I thought they were winging it, the writing was poor but I’m definitely doing two more years.”
Even HE thinks LOST sucks. Game…set…match. Go cash those paychecks, Naveen! We got yer back!
I think it’s awesome that Naveen is bashing his own show. He deserves better than this. I want to hear him say it in his Iraqi accent: “I don’t know what is more disconcerting about this show: the crappy dialogue or the moronic storylines.”
Wow, talk like that is a good way to get your ass killed off (Remember Joey falling down the elevator shaft on Friends?).
But, on the bright side, if they do kill him off, the island will just regenerate him or else he’ll be wearing a bulletproof vest at the time. History suggests that the only ways to get someone to stay dead involve: having a plane fall on you, being buried alive after being bit by a spider, being blown apart by unstable dynamite…oh yeah, or getting too many DUI’s.
Who says Nicki and Paulo are really dead? Just because they were bitten by poisonous spiders and buried alive doesn’t mean that they’re completely dead. This is Lost my friend.
Actually, name a person coming back to life besides Jack’s dad.
patchy
oh year and charlie… but in the future… though not really… though kind of because lost sucks.
Bzzzzt. Wrong. Mikail never died. The Sonic Fence was not set to a lethal level when Locke pushed him trough it.
It is worth it to pay attention to LOST.
Why on earth would you set your sonic defensive kill-o-matic wall to ‘not kill’? Even before that, why would a device such as that even be invented to have that setting change? Like, would a king of medieval times ever set his moat filled with crocodiles to ‘non-lethal’?
WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I JUST FIGURED IT OUT, THANX CONDOR!
Scroll down for the mystery revealed…
This whole time most of the characters have had the bullets in their guns set to a non-lethal level! It certainly explains a bunch.
The speargun was set on “stun” also.
This show has what I call “x-files syndrome”. From what I’ve been told, in x files there would be the continuing alien conspiracy story line episodes, but there would be one off episodes which would sometimes show something even more astounding like satan is real” which would actually be even more important then the alien thing logically, but was ignored in later episodes. In lost one way this plays out is that the losties don’t say to the rescuers “holy shit you gotta be careful, you won’t believe it but there is some weird nanobot cloud that roams the island!!!”. I think the writers purposely avoid conversations like this because they feel they wouldn’t be good for tv, but it makes the show and characters absolutely surreal.
good analogy…partly.
the mythology of x-files was, going in, only part of the story. and you’re right, they did mix in many ‘one off’ (here referred to as ‘filler’) episodes in with those that move forward the alien conspiracy epis.
where LOST runs aground is that it’s been almost entirely driven, conceived even, as one based on the mythology. so rather than having simple ‘one off’ epis, they essentially tread water, putting the plot lines on hold, and sometimes even introduce new ones..!!
Your comment how the LOST peeps not telling the new crew about the Smoke monster is EXACTLY my biggest gripe with this show: nobody says or does anything they would really do in real life. And that’s just bad writing, and this show with its terrific premise and great setting (which is why I still watch) suffers from extraordinarily bad writing. It’s bad because it has so much potential. And I guess that’s why complain about. LOST should’ve been so much better. And did I mention they don’t ask “WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN?????”
Actually, it’s the very definition of good television. Real conversation would be dull. No one would watch it.
I guess you haven’t noticed that dialogue in movies and television is much wittier than what people say in real life.
You want LOST to be a documentary, which says something about your level of intelligence. LOST is entertainment. Brilliant entertainment, that is.
“I guess you haven’t noticed that dialogue in movies and television is much wittier than what people say in real life.”
there are loads of failed movies, TV shows, etc. that would suggest otherwise. and…millions of paying customers who would lynch – like frankenstein – the makers of those products.
This exact topic is one of my largest complaints about this badly written show, no one ever does anything that any sane human being would do, like say discuss anything about anything with anyone ever…
“Oh yeah, so like I was saying we’ve got polar bears, a big black smokey looking monster who um… kinda eats people… sorta, assorted bunkers hidden everywhere, an entire season was dedicated to the people from the tail section of our plane and almost all of them are dead now and there’s like 3 different groups of people who at times try to kill each other until they have some sort of schism and then regroup to try and play mind games with each other… One group even built a primative village to trick one guy once…. BUT, let’s never speak out loud about any of that again. Ever.”
“Can we talk about the fact that we’re all still alive after a massive plane crash or can we discuss how no one has found us yet?”
“No, but we can discuss things like baseball games and we can look off into the distance a whole lot. And sometimes we can talk about things like working together and whether we’re men of faith or science.”
“But, that sucks…”
“No, it’s quality writing.”
“But…”
“Quality writing.”
A deserted island.
A Plane Crash.
30 or so survivors.
Cool.
- How are they going to survive?
- How will they be organizing themselves?
- Will they turn on each other?
A killer monster on the loose.
A quarantine and a plague.
Polar bears.
A haunted Jungle.
Kickass.
- How will they defend themselves?
- Does the plague make them go insane?
- Who’s the next to be eaten?
Other inhabitants on the island.
Kidnappings.
Nice. (but let’s not add anymore to this we already have a great premise)
- Are they the ones behind all the paranormal stuff?
- Are they natives?
- These guys must live in huts and stuff. Sweet.
- Are they eating the children? Using them a la Indy & the Temple of Doom?
At this point, we have one of the greatest premises ever.
Survivor meets X-Files meets Lord Of The Flies meets Jurassic Park 2.
Gonna be sweeeeeet.
And if they’d played there cards right, no further explanation would have been needed.
It could have been as simple as:
This organization called Dharma came to this deserted island to run a whole bunch of tests and experiments. Some of them went terribly wrong and they didn’t know about the crazy natives living on the island. The natives killed off all of the Dharmas, and now our friendly neighborhood survivors landed amidst all this insanity.
That’s enough for at least me to suspend my disbelief. Kind of like watching heroes: “Our genes mutated and now we have people with power”. Ok cool premise, now show us how these heroes react to there new found powers and how the regular folk and govt agencies deal with them. And that’s exaclty what they did.
So on Lost, this is the point where they should just show us how all the unsanity unrolls, who survives, how do they survive, who betrays who and who can out-MacGyver who, and we’re hooked for 5,7,10,20 seasons.
But instead we get pointless flashback fillers, love triangles, babies, a spotlight on the 2 worst actors of all time, and acting as if there is MORE, MORE, MORE to the story.
Then they only focus on 10 of the 30 survivors, add 2 new pointless characters each week, and they take away the show’s awesome setting of a danger-filled desert island with a jungle of paranormal, and replace it with underground hatches, IKEA homes, cages and a submarine. Not to mention Other other other others.
Can someone please put the joke that is JJ Abrams out of my misery?
Wow! That was so excellently put that I began to feel sorry for MYSELF for ever watching this sucky show!
I hate myself for wasting time to watch this every week… however I feel like this is one of these meals where you buy all three courses under once price. The starter sucks and the main course is sawdust, but darn it you paid for it now I am waiting for the dessert that will leave me unsatisfied and with a bad taste in my mouth.
Perfect analogy!
Not really.
Indeed, I too do feel sorry for myself for still watching this.
It’s become clearer than ever, especially with last night’s episode that the people in charge of producing this show have lost complete touch with their audience and with the show itself.
How did we go from Action/Adventure/Mystery/Thriller.
To: tacky courtroom drama revolving around love triangles, babies and mother/daughter relationships?
They have a master con artist, an iraqi torturer, a ‘mr fix it’ for the korean mob, a clinically insane lottery winner, a guy who can see the future, a fugitive wanted on murder,, arson and grand robbery charges, and until they got rid of him, a mass murdering drug lord turned priest and all they can think of is episode after episode of corny love triangle crap and storylines involving pregnancies.
Unexplainable…
Great post. You have put your finger on why Lost became the greatest show that never was. There would have been a number of satisfying ways to resolve the various mysteries and plot strings by picking one cohesive direction while still maintaining interest. At some point, however, the writers/creators became more interested mind-fucking the audience for their own amusement than delivering ANY answers, resolution, closure. The single most preposterous problem nicely raised by Prometheus above is: WHERE, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, ARE THE CHILDREN???!!! The answer is they don’t care, they’ve moved on and it’s no longer relevant.
Jack knows that the children are safe and sound with the others.
You should pay more attention when you watch LOST.
Did you graduate high school?
Jack doesn’t know where they are and he doesn’t care because he doesn’t give a shit and he doesn’t give a shit because he’s not a real character; he’s more like a computer game character whose reason for being is to further the plot of the show, such as it is, and is therefore simply pushed here and there, not by any rational human motivations, but by the silly whims of the juvenile writers.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, sir. Like many other lost elements in this lost show, the writers just decide something they’ve written at one point no longer interests them or their audience, so they drop it. Remember, there was a big emphasis on rescuing the children. Now, regardless of what Condor says about Jack believing the kids are safe, nobody else talks about the kids, wonders about them, worries whether they are, in fact, safe or not with the Others, not because they truly believe the kids are safe and better off with the Others, but because the writers have, as you said, moved. And for me the issue is not whether the show will resolve the children story, but that it’s been ignored for three years now. And, of course, I use the children as an example of lost storylines, lost threads, lost opportunities to give depth and intelligence to a show that had great potential but is subverted weekly by those trusted to let it bloom. Too bad.
If you were writing LOST, the show would be cancelled. They needed to keep things fresh, so they did.
We’ve already had “Survivor” and “Cast Away.” Thank goodness you don’t write for LOST.
Hi everyone, this is Ryan Lohner. You might know me from my reviews on the Agony Booth, or my posts on Television Without Pity where I go by Eegah.
The main BS thing for me was Kate’s mother still being alive. Let’s see, since the time Kate saw her and she was at death’s door she got into a car chase that left her boyfriend dead, robbed a bank, got married to Malcolm Reynolds (well, maybe that one was before, I’m still not clear on where the I Do flashback fits in), flew to Austrailia, got arrested, crashed on an island where she stayed for at least three months, then went through what had to be a pretty complex pre-trial process, and her mother is still alive? They tried to cover it with that “six months to live for four years” line, but it’s still obvious that this is just a cheap way for them to get themselves out of the corner of Kate being charged with her numerous crimes after being rescued. And just how does her mother refusing to testify wreck the whole case? There had to be lots of charges (that bank robbery for one) she had nothing to do with.
Nice to hear from you again Ryan. I tend to lose track of everything that’s happened in the past since it always turns out not to matter, but even I remembered that Kate’s mom should be dead. I’ve also since learned that most—if not all—of Kate’s crimes took place outside of California, so the idea of prosecuting her there makes absolutely no sense because of all the jurisdictional issues. More evidence that the Lost writers just don’t care.
Absolutely correct. It’s like the writers simply reach their hands into a steaming pile of dinosaur crap and say “Let’s just throw this on the wall and see if it sticks”.
The only thing it sticks to are the fanboys over at the Fuselage. And they just lick it up, man.
Out of all the crazy things on this show, the fact that someone can survive for a few years longer than they are supposed to seems like a very small detail to go after. It happens in real life all the time…
Perhaps, but the state would not rest its entire evidenciary burden on a dying and heavily medicated witness. Pure rubbish.
Are you kidding me? How does Kate’s mom not die? Uh, maybe she wasn’t sick enough to die?
NEWSFLASH: When people have health problems they don’t always die.
what’s made the dialogue more disingenuous is that they even HAVE that line (”…they’ve been saying 6 mos to live for 4 years…”). I think JT said it long ago that the writers sort of are in lose/lose situation…of their own doing of course.
they’ve created these obviously huge logic gaps and plot holes, and then started “filling” those gaps with awkward dialogue that makes it worse…there are many examples, this is a good one.
1. I don’t normally notice these things, but that baby’s head was HUGE.
2. Evangeline Lilly shouldn’t ever be wearing her hair pulled up and back like she did in court because it accentuates her hatchet-face (it all comes to a point along her nose and chin and then flares back). Naomi Judd is the same way. But at least N.J. can act a little.
My wife and I actually thought that the baby was deformed when we first saw him. We were like “whoa, that must be her kid and the island mutated him!” Sucks to be that kid’s mom!
Actually, I was thinking BEFORE we saw his face that the baby might be deformed from the island. After seeing the baby I thought he was very cute. All babies have somewhat large heads.
Sorry, I can’t pick on an innocent baby.
Mrs. Meister
Sure……
Yeah, I picked up on that as well. I thought the baby might have Downs or be hydrocephalic. But the soundtrack quickly established that this was a tender moment rather than a tragic or ominous one confirmed when she says Aaron. And frankly a “deformed” child would have been in bad taste even for this show.
I was thinking Down’s as well. I guess it was just a bad camera angle?
Thanks Beavis and Butt-head.
Munster,
I doubt you’ve ever been out on a date with a chick half as hot as Evangeline Lilly.
didn’t you say something like that to me about libby? you need new material.
I doubt you’ve ever been on a date, and no, taking your mom to the prom doesn’t count.
I have been thinking about the epi last night and I think I may be on to something, but want to see what y’all think. Maybe I’m way off, but here it goes…
About Kate’s baby. I think she lied to Sawyer about being pregnant. I also think that the Aaron in the flash forward is not Claire’s Aaron. I think he just has the same name for some reason I don’t know.
this is why- Claire was obviously 8-9 months pregnant when boarding the flight, she gave birth to him shortly after arriving. Kate was equally obviously Not pregnant. My point is, I think her mother would have to know that the baby wasn’t biologically hers and therefore it would make no sense that she would request to see “her grandson”.
Maybe the show is just inconsistent or perhaps I am way off… any thoughts?
Mrs. Meister
Since we’re speculating, how come Sun hesitated when Jin corrected her? (She said something about “raising my baby in Korea” and Jin said, “OUR baby”).
Although the hand grenade in the mouth was cool, I was annoyed that Locke prefaced it with, “I want to know who you are and what you want and what you’re doing here, but not now”. Yeah, let’s drag it out a little more. :sigh:
Other than Locke being awesome and Sawyer in his underwear, this episode sucked. Hard.
i thought the same thing about kate lying to sawyer about being pregnant. she wanted to see his reaction and that’s why she was so pissed off when he was happy. she probably wouldn’t have cared as much if she was not actually pregnant. and yes aaron is her baby with the same name as claire’s but jack is the father, not sawyer. she finds that out later and so do we. of course she slept with jack. she sleeps with jack everytime she gets mad at sawyer and she sleeps with sawyer everytime she gets mad at jack. oh yeah and one time hurley fed her some fermented ranch dressing and slept with her too. plus she sleeps with locke everytime he pisses her off cause it reminds her of her father and it makes her hot. and she slept with charlie cause he’s in a “band” it all happened during that tail end episode, we just didn’t see it.
Please don’t try to analyze the baby situation or read anything into it. Based on the writers’ recent history, what makes you think they’d be that clever by half?
Quite simply, the writers thought they could put in a little twist by making us “think” Kate is pregnant, even though she says she isn’t, because she has a kid in the future. The twist was completely obvious (It was Aaron. I mean DUH!) and that was the extent of their thinking.
The writers lost traction on any story lines related to the island and they’ve essentially given up trying. They’re doing the flash forwards because it was the coolest thing from last season’s finale and Hollywood writers haven’t found a dead horse they don’t like beating incessantly. They figure if they just continue with the “Oceanic 6″ story line then everyone will forget about everything else like good little sheep.
For me it is all great fodder to trash this fecal stain of a show. I’ll hop back to the Season 1 DVDs and silently weep over its untimely demise.
In light of our recent discussion, I would merely amend your last sentence to proclaim that “it is all great fodder to trash this FETAL stain of a show”. Sorry… can’t resist a pungent pun.
I thought the same thing as well but then I can’t imagine that they would have allowed Kate to keep custody of a child that everyone knows isn’t hers in light of the legal troubles awaiting when she gets off the island. The fact is that the nauseating scene between Kate and Sawyer, complete with bitch slap and then her mother’s fervently expressed desire to see her “grandson” could be interpreted either way.
well, think about this – if Kate is the only female member for the ‘Oceanic 6′ then they have to pretend Kate owns Aaron in order to keep the secret – which we have no reason why they are keeping it a secret, and who really cares, but let’s not kid ourselves – Claire’s baby has grown to have a big head and now he lives in a cushy home in California – who bought that house?
Hell has frozen over! We get some intelligent commentary from Mrs. Meister!
I think you have an interesting train of thought there.
Stay tuned to find out.
I really, really feel sorry for you Parakeet. As I read thru your infantile responses, devoid of any reasoning and full of personal insults, I can’t help but imagine you, all alone in your parent’s basement, counting down the minutes until the next Lost episode.
“Will CC ever realize what a dumb-ass he’s being?”
Stay tuned to find out
Real classy response, Mr. (or is it Mrs.– I can’t track) Meister.
Now when will you Chickenhawk, repay us the favor?
Well, the discussion has been lively this week demonstrating my point that the show need not be good to inspire interesting commentary. In short, a stunningly dull, poorly researched (if at all) and badly acted episode and surprise: more pointless mystery and ambiguity. If they are heading where some people think they may be heading with this entire mamababy drama, I’m curious whether they will resolve the question of why Desmond “forsaw” that Claire would get off the island with Aaron or… will they just let it dangle like most everything else. Surely the hobbit died for a reason [Turkey sobs and laughs at the same time].
Let me give you a clue: things are dangling because the series ISN’T OVER YET.
I’ll give this point some validity — and that’s why people’s critiques of “there aren’t enough answers yet!” piss me off so much. The series isn’t over yet, so getting barraged with answers in the first four episodes of the new season would certainly be a little too much to ask for.
That being said, that does not change the fact that this was a weak episode, mostly due to the fact that the character it focused on was played by someone with limited acting ability and range.
See the problem is that for all of the amount of mysteries and unknowns that have been introduced to the show, we have barely got even a fraction of the answers.
We’re not asking for all the answers, but some insight would be good before going ahead and bringing up new stuff.
This show just thrives on creating new mysteries in the hopes that the viewer will forget old mysteries. At this rate there wouldn’t be enough time to explain all the mysteries that have been brought up in the show, unless it goes on for 12 seasons. I hope it gets canned by the next one.
In “Eggtown” we learned more about how Jack and Kate got off the island. They had some fake story about how only 8 people survived the crash.
Hey Parrot: We didn’t learn ANYTHING this week about HOW Jack and Kate got off the island. We were instead given another mystery: Why are Jack and Kate lying about the number of island survivors? Oooooooohhh spoooooooky… Go back to the fuselage, idiot.
I don’t know where to start with this one. The only entertaining part for me was seeing kate cleaned up and in nice clothes. She was looking good.
but that’s all the good parts…
The trial? That had to be the worst portrayal of a trial on a drama ever. As others have mentioned, the prosecutors have all those charges against her – which i’m guessing would require more evidence than just one key witness. Yet the fact that she can’t testify makes her crap her pants and settle for a deal.
Jackass kept making the pouting face all throughout the episode… grr that pisses me off so much. He would do so well on grey’s anatomy.
So now we have everyone living in houses on the island. What happened to the whole survival aspect? That’s one key feature of having a show based on a unknown island, yet the writers keep going out of their way to make life more and more comfortable for everyone.
Locke got duped by kate and sawyer. That was so predictable. How long does locke expect bruce lee to keep the grenade in his mouth? Oh wait it’s probably a fake and he’ll just end up saying “gotcha!’”.
I do believe the baby is Claire’s baby just for the fact that the writers wanted to *attempt* to fool us into thinking that she was really pregnant. Claire probably just said kate should take it because he would have a better chance on the mainland.
The helicopter didn’t arrive on the boat… probably have to wait a few episodes to find out what happened there, but i can probably let you in on a secret – it will be lame!
all in all that was a snooze fest. I always thought the flashbacks were a waste of time in most cases, and now i think the flash-forwards are an even bigger waste of time.
Yes, Evangeline Lilly does clean up well.
Remember that Kate had something going for her in the trial: her father was a scumbag, so the prosecutor probably took that into account. If the court case was realistic, it would probably be super-boring to watch. Remember, this is entertainment. LOST-haters seem to forget that.
I thought the whole grenade-in-mouth thing was entertaining. I also think that it might be a fake grenade. Remember, Locke’s not a killer– he couldn’t even kill his own father.
You call this a “snooze-fest” but what else is there on TV? This may not have been the best LOST episode ever but I still like watching it.
OMG, you actually admitted it may have not been the best episode ever, perhaps there is some hope for you yet (albeit slim)
Locke knifed Naomi in the back, dude. Are you sure YOU are paying attention?
Okay, so maybe the grenade might be real.
“Remember, Locke’s not a killer– he couldn’t even kill his own father.”
that one cracked me up, when read out of context. As if killing your father is the first lesson from “Murdering 101″
“If the court case was realistic, it would probably be super-boring to watch.”
Yeah, remember that super-boring Law & Order show that went off the air after one season?
Scumbags get killed all the time with the people killing them getting a hell of a lot more than ten years probation. A HELL of a lot more. PLUS all the other charges they had against Kate. Come on, be a man and admit it – it was shoddy, lazy, stupid writing. Some of us prefer entertainment that is uh… entertaining. And intelligent. And doesn’t insult us. Once upon a time Lost seemed to be that show. It isn’t.
You know, I just realized there is another BM (see above) that came up in this epi that no one has mentioned: Can Locke actually cook and will there ever be a chicken dinner at Locke’s house?
Stay tuned (Right Parakeet?)
Um… Locke dressed a flippin’ boar way back early in the series. Remember? It was like a boar barbecue on the beach.
God dammit can’t you even pick up on satire, you fuck!?
Children under 3 do not understand irony.
I thought the BM was that there were no more eggs. where have all the chickens gone!??!! and are they unable to reproduce on the island too?!?! when oh when will we finally get the answers we deserve?!?!
MY GOD!!! Forget the children…WHERE ARE THE CHICKENS!!
Did anyone notice that when Locke threw the tray against the wall, cuz Ben know how to push his buttons, the wall swayed… like a fake Hollywood wall. I realize it is a fake hollywood wall but it seems the set designers are getting a little cheap and sloppy. But I guess why should the writers be the only ones.
That reminds me of what Tyler wrote at the very top about everything just going in circles. Remember when Locke lost it in the hatch after talking with Benny and threw the dishes? Same thing again. It made me chuckle because Locke always gives Ben that cheesy smile, like he is not bothered, then goes out 5 feet away and hurls breakable objects. Does Locke not realize that sound travels?
holy crap i just went back and saw that! They have walls made of rubber. cheap bastids.
I totally saw that and laughed out loud. That wall was styrofoam!
Amazing. Now they can’t even bother with a realistic looking set and props. But this isn’t new. Remember how daintily Locke carried his 250 pound father’s body through the jungle?
How did you guys like Hurley’s line “You totally scooby-dooed me, didn’t you?”
hilarious! funniest thing I’d ever heard on television!!! I can’t wait until they start referencing other Hanna Barbera characters…
like, maybe next week, locke gets hit over the head with a guitar, and Hurley yells out “Kabong!!!”
ha ha….funny stuff.
Your real name wouldn’t be Carlton Cuse, would it?
Bird-brain: You are the very definition of a troll and therefore, I realize I am to some extent giving you exactly the attention you are craving because of some trauma in your past – to quote a classic Nicholas Cage action movie of yesteryear: choose your cliche, mom held him too much or not enough, late night sneaky uncle…
That being said, I for one am not going to go back and rehash the arguments/conversations we’ve had over the last 2 years regarding the inconsistencies, etc. with the writing just because your are late to the party. As far as I can tell, every single one of the weekly posts is still available on this site. (by the way, don’t act like the show has never used a weak cop-out to “bring back” someone who the writers wanted you to assume was dead – okay, you can say “well they weren’t actually dead” but you know that’s not the point.) Before the fence, patchy was shot and we were supposed to assume he’s dead, then all of a sudden he is fine. Locke got shot, not in the arm mind you, but square in the torso and left to die but, of course, he’s okay…Naomi was stabbed but not bad enough to prevent her from rigging an elaborate fake set of tracks, jumping from a tree and attacking Kate, but bad enough to die right after that…don’t act like they have been honest in the way they’ve written this stuff…this type of bail out is lazy.
So, write whatever you want in response to this pigeon. You won’t get a response from me to validate your attention seeking behavior. Think it’s because I have no basis from which to argue? Go back and read previous posts and you’ll see I’ve never shyed away from an intelligent conversation. You however, as mentioned above, have come here and acted like a loud mouth know-it-all teen incapable of intelligent debate.
I will gladly debate (again, as long as we’re not just rehashing stuff that’s already been beat to death) with someone like JT who has demonstrated the ability to have an intelligent debate and has always been respectful of people (well, except for his first post to this site
– sorry dude, couldn’t resist).
So, JT – regarding the complaints about things not getting answered even though the show is not finished yet – honestly, even you don’t still believe there is an underlying concept pinning this all together do you? JJ has finally admitted that the plot is ad hoc and that his “vision” (I wouldn’t give it that much credit) is creating mystery, NOT answers. Laurent and I were bantering this back and forth the last couple weeks.
Unless JJ is truly so committed to this concept of creating premise after premise with absolutely no attempt at resolution, then the only shot he has at stringing this along (since there is NO underlying plot – despite what people like the fuselage folks want to believe), is to create shorter plot lines that keep you interested a few weeks at a time by, god forbid, answering a few questions to keep you interested.
But, I think they truly assume people are stupid enough to keep following this recipe of premise without resolution. Once you realize there is no chance of resolution (not because I’m not smart enough or patient enough but because JJ has all but admitted it), then the premise is no longer interesting or the least bit clever. It takes NO talent to write premise without resolution in mind.
Go back and watch the youtube “magic turtle” parody of the Lost writers. It seemed at least a bit over the top 2 years ago but now, seems more more likely all the time.
Actually Carlton Cuse (who is a Harvard graduate by the way) said in an interview that he knows how LOST ends. So there is a definite end-point to the series and frankly I think they’ve done a pretty good job tying it all together. I think it’s amusing that people complain about not getting instant answers in a show that’s set to end in 2010 and uses mystery as one of its keys for entertainment.
The fact that the writers have faked you out sometimes is a hallmark of good writing. That’s what makes LOST so entertaining. It’s a thrill ride and you don’t know what’s next. It’s not a documentary of mundane real-life events.
If 2010 rolls around and some serious loose ends are still left hanging, then you have a valid argument. But for now, just sit back and enjoy the ride and be grateful it’s still entertaining.
Oooh! Harvard grad, then he must be smart.
I mean didn’t Al Gore go there because his dad was a senator? He’s so smart! He invented the internet and global warming.
Didn’t Bush go to Yale?
Maybe, just maybe, he is an entrenched member of the elite accredited by an institution bought and paid for by the elite.
They do have an egalitarian side, they will bring in some brain power from the hoi-polloi to keep balance with the inbred dolts.
Incredible post Monsieur Baton!
That was a rather heroic display of patience and poise.
I agree with every line you laid down.
Carrot and stick.
We’ll get the carrot alright (”It’s Magic”), but we’ll get the stick too, in the opposite orifice.
There’s a smoke beast! It’s FANTASY! You can’t explain a racist smoke beast that kicked the shit out of a big bad brutha!
PLEASE WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!
“… and it was a magical island”
THE END
Created by:
JJ Abrams
This is the ending you shall witness.
racist smoke beast…good catch. no wonder michael sold out his “friends” to get off the island.
Except for the WHITE pilot of the airplane.
Il faut s’en souvenir.
Stick, that’s a cogent post, and I think it deserves what I hope will be a cogent answer. You probably won’t get one, because I’m half-asleep right now, but I’ll try my best. First, though, I gotta ask you where JJ makes this admission that Lost’s plotline is essentially something he’s yanking out of his ass on a day-to-day basis. I haven’t read anything indicating that, so I wouldn’t want to comment on it unless I’ve read the source. I’m not saying I don’t believe you, just that I haven’t seen anything like that one way or the other.
I’ll be the first to admit that I doubt the writers had anything planned out at all in the beginning. I’d be a little stunned if they did. It sounds impossible, seeing as how the creators weren’t even sure the show would be a hit and had no idea how long it would be on for (thus making it tough to plot).
But if you’re asking whether I believe that they *presently* have some kind of underlying uber-plot on paper that tightly ties up every single plot thread and resolves everything at the end to everyone’s satisfaction, then the short answer is “dude, I have no clue.” Maybe they do. Maybe they don’t. All I can say is that I think it’s a wee bit too soon to say that JJ (who doesn’t write any of the episodes, I think, and who I think is involved with the show on something of a figurehead basis only — this is mostly Damon and Carlton’s show, and they seem to be pretty decent writers) is just stringing people on with little mini-mysteries until the series wraps itself up. There’s no way we can say that with part of this season and two more full seasons left to air. I’m not saying you’re wrong — I’m saying that it’s wayyy too early to be making an assessment like that.
So the answer, yeah, is “I don’t know,” which I’m aware is a pretty lame answer. But I’m not telepathic, I own no crystal balls, and honestly, it’s the only answer I have. I’m going to keep watching, because even though atrocious episodes like last week’s irritate me (and I know that people think Evangeline is terrific eye candy, but good acting trumps looks every time), a single episode will never annoy me enough to stop watching. Because honestly, even if the writers end the series with “the island is magic” — as Laurent said in his rambling post above — it’ll still just be a television show to me. Nothing more. I don’t get pissed at television shows.
Hope that I made some sense *somewhere* in that reply.
I know we’ve seen this already but it rings more true as time goes on…
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=yXzR7aKBCdE
Great lines include:
“If they’re in the bottom of a bottomless pit, how can they…you know what, I’m being stupid…That’s gold.”
“Ok, we’ve all come up with stupid ideas that have become integral parts of the show…but right now we are running out of time…”
Actually I think this parody falls a little flat. They address Hurley’s not losing weight in the show. Plus I read that the four-toed monster will be addressed down the road.
Comedy is not that funny if it’s not that true.
That parody scored a direct hit and you know it.
But about the four-toed statue, are you serious? I loved the four-toed statue! It was the biggest laugh-out-loud moment in Lost history.
Actually I think this parody falls a little flat. They address Hurley’s not losing weight in the show. Plus I read that the four-toed monster will be addressed down the road.
Comedy is not that funny if it’s not that true.
Is there an ignore feature on this board? Please? Pretty please?
C’mon, don’t take your ball and go home!
Condor, you’re on fire, man.
Nobody calls their child “the baby” nobody, I don’t care what callous, inbred, backwoods, and barbarous redneck family you hale from.
John’s Xanadu playing, how clever, another unveiled reference to island utopia. Or perhaps they’re dead and doomed by Satan? How… uh… clever?
Yet, the most pointed reference, was Sawyer’s elucidation on sheep and followers. They’ll believe anything! Another cold hard slap in the face of Lost believers, no matter, they’re too stupid to even pick up on it.
And this is why I watch. The writers just keep taunting, they continually push against the threshold and test their bounds. They always get away with the antics.
Poor Jack, he doesn’t want to see his sister’s baby left to the care of his LOST
love.
At least that motherfucker has finally grown.
Cheers suckers!
It might be Sawyer’s baby, and maybe Jack had to sacrifice Sawyer to get of the island.
It’s Claire’s baby…Aaron? Ring a bell?
Not to bash you dude, but this was pretty obvious…you did watch the episode?
Stephen Segal, I mean Nico Toscani has been buried, same for the Acoustic Rhyme Master,Turkey, Stick, Lost Skeptic keep the flame burning (sparingly) but this lost sucks cave is going the way of the fan blogs.
whylostsuckssucks.com is just over the horizon.
It’s always the independent intellect of the few against the emotions of the raving tide of the masses.
Copernicus
Galileo
Newton
Judas Iscariot (you ain’t no god bizitch, I gots ta get my bag of silva suckas)
i miss nico. he always came up with the best insults toward me and i respected him for it. but good for him for moving on.
laurent, i think we are actually making a comeback around here. the comments are getting better every week.
i also have a theory that california condor is actually nico who came back to play the other side, because it was just getting too easy for him.
i thought the same thing– but i doubt nico can pretend to be that stupid. it’s beneath him. it really is.
wait, i thought we’d already established that Nico and JT were the same person…now he is parrot head also?
Wow, this is getting more complex than a Lost episode
I’m totally new to this site. I started watching LOST in 2007. I have recently finished watching the entire series online.
That’s exactly what Nico (posing as JT, posing as a moron) would say…
OK, thanks for letting us know.
Dude, do you smoke copious amounts of crack cocaine before you write your posts?
how do you think the french stay so thin?!
Laurent,
Est-ce tu es francais? J’etais en France pendant deux ans et j’ai appris a parler le francais.
News Flash: While not being a board troll, Parrot studies high school French in his parents’ basement.
Actually I lived in France for almost 2 years, buddy.
what? you’re taking your mom to the library?
Non, en fait, tu n’as pas du tout appris à parler (encore moins à écrire) le français. Crétin. De grace, épargne nous de devoir lire tes conneries dans deux langues que tu maîtrises à peine. Are YOU a Harvard grad?
What a strange post. I have not laid down my sword… yet although I must admit that California mosquito is slowly wearing down my patience.
So, i’m not much of a TV watcher but I actually watched, for the first time, every episode of Lost this past week.
And yes, I googled ‘lost sucks’ and found this glorious blog/site.
There was a good solid day there where I wondered if I was the only person in the world that felt this way about the show and how it has horribly lost it’s way.
In regards to this episode and it’s suckitude, however, I found it easy to suspend disbelief and accept the absurdity of the trial because because the focus of the show isn’t a courtroom or the technical nature of US law. The ridiculousness of what happens on the island is another beast altogether, and when there are those ‘OMFG people in this situation just WOULDN’T behave this way and things like this just WOULDNT happen and makes NO sense’ moments on the island they carry much more weight. The Sawyer trying to steal the guns episode was far far more ridiculous.
I was wondering how much of this is JJ Abrams influence. Cloverfield disappointed me for the same reason, in that WHEN YOU ARE FACING HORRIBLE DANGER AND POSSIBLE DEATH YOU DONT RELAX AND MAKE A LIGHTHEARTED JOKE THERE IS NOTHING FUCKING FUNNY AND RELAXING ABOUT BEING TRAPPED ON AN ISLAND AND HAVING MULTIPLE PEOPLE AND THINGS TRY TO KILL YOU.
A love triangle?!?!? Are you fucking serious?!?!?!
One thing I did want to bring up, and apologies if it has already been discussed at length on here, is the score/music to the show. I seriously thought most even hollywood had realized how corny and cliched these musical maneuvers are.
Sweet heaven there is nothing more infuriating than this. When
precisely!
and welcome.
btw, nearly every [general] thing has been toiled over at length, but we don’t mind a good dog-pile rehash every now and again.
You watched every episode of lost last week? Time to get out of the house bro!
He probably has gone insane at this point, which makes this the perfect place for him.
Okay, I didn’t watch again, since I kicked the habit. So please advise what (didn’t) happen, and what was the twist de semaine?
We find out that in the future Jack and Kate tell a lie about what happened when Oceanic flight 815 crashed. Their sham story is that only 8 people survive and that they landed in the water.
We also find out that whoever Miles is working for is powerful and Miles knows that Ben probably has access to millions of dollars.
We also find out that Kate has a son in the future. We don’t know if Kate is the biological mother of her son, but her son has blond hair and his name is Aaron. So Kate’s son might be Claire’s son.
Kate and Jack are a little bit in love in the future but Jack is uncomfortable around Kate’s son Aaron. We don’t know why but perhaps Jack had to do something to Claire or the father of Kate’s Aaron (Sawyer?) to get off the island.
We already know that everybody, but 8, are going to stay.
Let me guess, Claire stays because she wants to commune with smack-boy’s ghost. She gives her “bye-bee” to a pathological murderer so that he can have normal life, or perhaps for the original adopting couple, but psycho Kate keeps him to better her odds in court. There are so many grand avenues! THIS IS THE POINT!
Now please go to the Lost page on abcdotcom and post your theory!
Better yet, post a video theory!
Everybody wants to see some poor fat slob with crisp crumbs on an overwashed tee blathering on why he thinks Ben is angel maroni from mormon lore.
abc will appreciate the extended time you stay on their site, their new golden road for advert revenue.
Genius!!!!
How not clever and so predictable but it doesn’t matter because that’s not what is important, only the next twist that defies reasoning or explanation is.
Tout d’abord, il faut pas te moquer de Claire car je dirais qu’elle est beaucoup plus belle de toutes les filles avec lequelles tu es sorti.
Epuis, il faut attendre jusqu’a la fin de LOST. Si tu n’aimes pas les solutions a la fin, tu peux te plaindre.
Ca prend un francais pour etre si con…
Laurent est le francais.
Je ne pense pas qu’il soit ce que tu dis… (je dirais pas des gros mots).
Moi, je viens des Etats-Unis.
I appreciate willingness to interchange, but I must not breach my personal code and my immersion in America. I feel that my English, particularly my vernacular and understanding of colloquialisms have increased exponentially through chatting in the vanishing American dialect. In 20 years most Americans will speak like a Mexican with a 5th level, and lacking at that, education… just like, hmm… all of Mexico in the US! Thus, I want to learn the vanishing American tongue, no?
Culturally, see a film like “Exils” to learn what being trapped on an island, not in the geographic sense, is all about… cinéma vérité, no?
Most importantly, I do not want to dim the mystique and allure, the seductiveness, of the Laurent.
You are an odd ball Laurent, but I’m glad you’re here.
Mrs. Meister
Slightly off topic but who here thinks California Condor is actually one of the writers. I mean he defends every single point people make against the show and he does seem to take it all rather personally.
Oh and just to rip into the episode – so Kate’s entire goal was to find out if the rescue boat knew who she was. Talk about stupid even if the rescuers don’t know you can bet the police/media/various officials who’ll they’ll meet once they get back to civilisation will. Also to trash this whole story scam about only 8 survive, are you seriously telling me post rescue not a single person is going to go back to the island to check it out. I mean it’s the kind of thing accident investigators or the media might consider a good idea. Not to mention the people who might question how they got to an island when the fake plan crash happened in the middle of the ocean away from the island. I’m assuming the fake isn’t next to the island as someone might have said you know what lets check the island just to be on the safe side.
No, I do not write for LOST (although that would be an awesome gig- a lot more fun and better-paying than what I do now), but I’ll take your theory as a compliment.
You raise some good questions and if they are not answered by 2010 then we will have something to complain about.
“a lot more fun and better-paying than what I do now”
Let me guess, does it involve saying, “Do you want fries with that?”
That joke was funny…
…when I first heard it in 2001.
No? what do you say then? “Paper or plastic?”
Now, come on, he’s got to be a crew leader by now.
Actually at Whole Foods you’re supposed to bring your own bags because it’s better for the environment.
But no, I do not work there.
I don’t believe he writes for the show. This guy is VERY young. Given his extreme fanatiscism, his continued presence here is baffling. My guess is that he is probably in high school, (judging from his many breathless references to who went to an IVY league university). He occasionally shows some feeble signs of intelligence, although he speaks French badly and has no capacity for critical thinking of any kind. We can presume that he repeatedly masturbates to that recent scene of Hurley running on the beach with tits bouncing in slowmo. Make sure you disinfect the keyboard before you respond, Condor. Public library rules, you know.
That was GREAT turkey! I LOL at the Hurley reference!
One last comment: the chief reason we know that Cal Birdboy is wrong about Jack knowing the kids are safe and happy with the Others (on some other set) is that we never once heard him say to that crowd hiking up to the tower about they were all going to be rescued — INCLUDING THE POOR CHILDREN WHOSE PARENTS ARE CERTAINLY ANXIOUS TO SEE THEM AGAIN! So what? Jack and his beach gang are just going to leave the kids behind??? Of course not. They could only leave them behind if they ever thought about them anymore, which they don’t!
Yep.
you’re a man of many words Turkey.
Mrs. Meister
Hi, everyone. I was invited over from TWOP by Fiesta friends, but I doubt I’ll be participating, because I just don’t watch LOST anymore. At all.
Each new discussion here reinforces my decision to dump the show. But I admire your stamina! I could barely motivate myself to watch the last few episodes of last season. For a while the acting skill of a few of the cast sustained me, but they hardly seem to care anymore, have drifted down to the level of the dimmer talents. I tried again to watch this season, but there’s too much actual storytelling out in the world that I haven’t experienced yet. LOST isn’t storytelling, no matter how much the writers seem to think they’re avant garde artistes creating a new lifeform. Somewhere in the comments, someone mentioned X-Files, which reminded me of why a friend of mine watched it (and introduced me to it)–because, she said, the monster-of-the-week episodes didn’t quite hold together logically, so you had to supply the logic yourself that the writers hadn’t. I always had the impression that the X-Files writers–the good, bad, and brilliant–were actually trying to create coherent stories, and so were deserving of audience collaboration if the script failed. The LOST writers have misunderstood how this works.
Or maybe not. Apparently the magic-turtle formula does appeal to many people. Maybe it’s the same motivation that makes people self-publish books and blogs and webcomics and deviantArt–we want to think we are all good storytellers and good enough to be part of the process. It’s not like the process of a traditional storyteller who watched the audience and guided their reactions and was guided in turn by them but had the skill to create a coherent framework, and reward the audience along the way. Instead, the main appeal is that the big kids have let you into the clubhouse. Hunt for clues that show you’re in the know. Choose your own narrative. It’s narcissistic, in a way–on both sides. It’s not storytelling, but it’s… what, a massively multiplayer teevee show with middling game master?
And, speaking of having to create your own drama and excitement: I’d rather spend an hour here than waste an on the show itself. This place is way more entertaining, and even the trolls are endearing, and if I miss the LOST eye candy I can always read with a photo of sleeveless Sayid open in another window. Keep up the fun–this site has definitely replaced the actual show in my week
“this site has definitely replaced the actual show in my week”
hmmm, reading your site made me realize I too had more fun ‘discussing’ the episode than watching it. my ambivalence towards the show itself lead me to believe I’d hardly participate here anymore…i must be some special narcissist
Without this site, Lost would suck even more than it does. I too have more fun reading this between the lame-o episodes than I do actually watching the show. In fact, the hiatus from season 3 to 4 was more unbearable because there was nothing to vent about here, than for actually missing the show.
Sorry, only have a few minutes to surf so I had to get this in without reading the remaining posts. I think I have seen some good ideas, but the thing that struck me was Jack was clean shaven. He was stubbly when he met Hugo, so that was later. So sequence of events, Jack testifies at trial, so it was soon after the rescue, meets Hugo, already drinking at this point, later on. By the breakdown in S3 ender, he’s fully grown a beard. That being said, the baby was about what 1.5-2 years old? How can they pass that off as Kate’s unless they were on the island longer than the 100 or so days it’s been. Precursor of a the time warp issue. I think the next few episodes when the helo finally gets to the freighter will be interesting, since Saayid has to come back, right, to ally with Ben. May add to this later, and I hate to say it but I think the show is back on track, though this episode did suck for some other reasons, I think a lot of stuff was answered, now we have to figure out who the other 2 non-survivor survivors were. Anyway, I was a little peeved about wasting another 45 minutes sitting in my car but after a day or so, I think I liked this one. More next week.
CPT Preevyet on Duty at lovely Ft Sill, OK
Always nice to hear from you, Preev. Personally, I try not to get my hopes up for future epis. Not no morrh. I used to try to decipher the signs and clues in order to predict an outcome but as astute as your question may be (”How can they pass that off as Kate’s unless they were on the island longer than the 100 or so days it’s been?”), the show rarely seems to follow any kind of internal logic. I predict that they ACTUALLY may yet attempt to pass that baby off as Kate’s. I agree that at this point, they have got to start moving the plot forward (it’s now a question of ratings and audience loyalty) but as we have seen in the past, their arrogance and optimism knows no boundaries. And why should it when they are perpertually vindicated by the brainless masses?
Ever since the times of the Greek Tragedies is has been understood that there are only a finite number of plot lines available for storytelling. So by now if “Lost” was using a standard story plot everyone could anticipate what would be coming next, however that doesn’t seem to be the case. “Lost” doesn’t seem to be like any TV show that we have seen before or have we? Is it like ANYTHING that we are familiar with? Let’s see; It starts with a bizarre plane crash. All involved are immediatley transported to a place that they don’t understand and can’t get away from. Then one set of strange happenings are piled upon another, the preceding events only loosely connected to the latter. We don’t have all of the facts (an overview) so we cannot make honest assessments of the situations. The writers of “Lost” are the same people that explained the “War On Terror” to us. Sayeed starts out as the hapless Iraqi boob longing for his lost love. Later we discover he is a torturous madman. Then he goes to work for Ben (Halliburton) as one of their henchmen. Then you have the black kid with daddy issues and ghost from the past (Slavery). Shall I go on? The survivors of 911 were the American people who like Jack and Kate and Wally the Con-man (who desperatly needs a haircut) cant decide whether to have sex or run for their lives. As for season to season resolution; remember we started out looking for Bin Laden in Afghanistan and that morphed into the search for WMD’s which turned into the liberation of Iraq from a brutal tyrant(after no wmd’s were forthcoming). The “Others” are the rightwingers, strangely omnipresent and acting weirdishly. Remember in Dr. Stangelove when stangelove jumps out of his wheelchair and shouts, “Mein Fuehrer, I can walk.” Mission Accomplished, They hate freedom, pass a cup of that kool -aide over here Biff. Soylent Green is People, SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE.
I couldn’t tell from your post if you were being funny or if you really believe that LOST is some sort of satire for our day. Personally, if you’re serious, I think you are giving the writers way to much credit.
Mrs. Meister
Lovely, Joe. I always enjoy a good allegory, however implausible. And if it is satirical, that is probably not intended. Both you and LMeister attribute far too much depth to Lost.
wow, talk about over analyzing a pile of shit. if it looks like a pile of shit, smells like a pile of shit, and just lies still attracting flies like a pile of shit, your conclusion is it must be a brilliant literary masterpiece
I guess that’s another way of saying it.
Some of my posts go through and some don’t … ?
Anyone know why?
Are you typing a website in your posts? Tyler has it set up to not allow that or this blog would be inundated with ads.
just a possibility.
Mrs. Meister
Indeed I was linking to a video… oh well, I’ll have to skip it!
thanks
you can write it out-
for example
whylostsucks(dotcom)
Mrs. Meister
Why do you so badly want this TV show to have no meaning? I certainly don’t know if it is intentional allegory to the Bush Whitehouse but it sure does fit. The same thing happened with the latest Bruce Springsteen CD “Magic” it doesnt make any sense at all until you understand he is singing about the last seven years in America. If you place the airplane crash of Oceanic whatever side by side with 911 it all starts lining up. Flashback to Ben coming to power flashback to Bush coming to power. Sayeed sees giant statues on the shoreline, American GI’s see giant statues of Hussein along the Euphrates. Everybody in the show has Daddy issues, Bush 43 has definite Daddy issues with Bush 41. Season two of the Bush Admin has almost a completly new cast of characters, characters from Bush season one disappear without explanation. We go into Iraq looking for WMD’s and all we find is left-overs from other wars. Locke gets into the hatch looking for answers and all he finds is left-overs from a college psych experiment. For lack of a better planAmerican forces destroy Iraq, Locke destroys everything within the hatch apparently just for the hell of it. Bush is on a mission from God, Locke is on a mission from voices and feelings that only he gets. LOST is just a reflection of life in modern America. You think that what has happened since Florida 2000 is normal but “LOST” is somehow an abberation?
I have 2 comments, and then I think I am out. I don’t want to engage in political debate here.
1. “Flashback to Ben coming to power flashback to Bush coming to power.” There are a lot of things wrong with President Bush, but I wouldn’t consider him a mass murderer.
2. “Bush is on a mission from God” I also wouldn’t consider this true, nor do I think his PR is portrayed in such a way. He is a man of faith, but I think every president claimed to be. Bush isn’t the only president to end his speeches with “God bless America”.
Mrs. Meister
Don’t even get me started, so suffice it to say if you believe the crap they put on the news about the Iraq war and Bush, then you are a minless idiot and are a perfect Lost fan. Wake up and smell the coffee, if you actually talked to someone in the know about what’s going on in Iraq (like me) you’d understand the smokescreen the media puts up to further their agenda of hating Bush. It all goes back to Florida 2000 when the dems tried to steal the election by multivoting and creating those infamous hanging chads (it was proven the only way you can get a hanging chad was if you stacked several ballots and tried to push it through, ie they were cheating). But the media’s push to elect Gore was unrelenting. How well off do you think we’d be if AlGore was prez? How well off do you think we’ll be if Barack Hussein Obama gets elected, the man who won’t even wear a flag pin on his suit? Get real folks, and sorry for the politico but I’ve been defending your freedom to spew such crap for 20+ years and I can only take so much. That being said, your analogy is as bad as the show itself.
CPT Preevyet surviving in Oklahoma
hey preev… i’m still not clear. are you, as a soldier and patriot, for or against the war? I sincerely believe that this war is for control of the worlds oil (which happens to be in central asia/middle east) and eventually american world domination. Its all a part of Cheney, Wolfowitz and those neo-con bastards plan. They are in power right now and they will stop at nothing to acheive their agenda. And yes, to disagree with Mrs. Meister, I believe they would spill the blood of innocent americans for that agenda.
Will we be better off with Barak “Hussein” Obama, as you call him? I definately feel we will be better cause he will take America’s focus and money off fighting a “war” and put it toward the shit conditions that americans are in through better health care and education, what the american people really need.
BTW, bush won the 2000 election because he cheated, not the dems
actually nevermind, i do not want to discuss politics here
You opened the door, I’ll close it. Bush didn’t cheat, the dems tried to multivote. I happened to meet someone who was in on the recount and he relayed what he saw, and how the “hanging chads” happened. If you think this is control for the world’s oil, then you fail to realize that only a small percentage is pumped from Iraq. Something like 5% if I remember correctly. We’re trying to not become reliant on oil, so why do we care so much about 5%? IOW, it has nothing to do with oil and all to do with democracy. Do you know what Saddam and his minions did to dissenters in Iraq? Wood chippers, attacked by dogs, disemboweled, I could go on. While Iraq is no rose garden there now, it’s 100 times better and daily people thank us for doing what we do. No, you won’t see that on the Clinton News Network, but believe me we’ll finish what we started, or more like what Saddam Hussein started. Oh, BTW, Hussein is Barack Obamas middle name so it’s not something I made up and Called him. CHeck your facts if you can, and no Cnn dot com doesn’t count as a source.
I guess we all believe what we want to.
That is the beauty of this country, you can have your beliefs and not be persecuted for them. Thank you for serving our country
I do what I do so you (and I) can have these conversations. I don’t care if you believe we are doing right in Iraq, the fact you can have an opinion and not be beheaded for it (like Saddam used to do) means we’re free and that makes me feel good. I may sound like I take it personal but I don’t, I have very thick skin. Sorry I can’t help you Turkey
dude, stop. you’re coming off as big an ideologue as joe corn flake.
now, personally, I think ben represents (and resembles) Kim Jong-Il …they have the same hair!
Uhhh… think you’re giving the Lost writers way too much credit here, Joe. I mean’ if you’ve got a big enough shoehorn and enough determination you can make almost anything fit into something else, but the statues and changing casts, etc. – really pushing there. And I sure wouldn’t put any of those hacks within the same zipcode as Bruuuuuuce.
For those who want to waste still more time with Lost, there is a videogame coming out soon. Unconfirmed reports say you play by wandering through the jungle, killing the same enemies over and over and dodging the smoke monster, which eventually just disappears. The game can end two ways. One, you time a jump perfectly and hang onto a rescue helicopter. Two, you eventually find the teleporting cabin at just the right place and time. Mister Roarke and Tattoo come out and congratulate you and then hustle you onto a seaplane while ignoring almost all of your questions about what went on during the 100+ hours of gameplay.
nice…glad to see ricardo and herve working again – posthumously of course in herve’s case.
That last post by preevyet made me laugh.
“Non-survivor survivors”
Indeed!
So… for those keeping track at home, Lost is comprised of:
- The Others (pretty much just Ben and Juliette now)
- The other half of the Others (the ones that stayed behind on the Other’s other Island… will we hear from them again?)
- The surviving tailies and the children (that are also on other island)
- The Other Others (the boat people)
- The Other Others’ Elite Team (the 4 that flew in on the helicopter)
- The Other Other Others (the people from penny’s sub)
- The Original Others (the ones that were there before ben but that were not dharma… i.e.: that guy that doesn’t seem to age – I don’t remember his name)
- The secret-and-now-dead-Others (the 2 girls from ‘through the looking glass)
- The Other’s Spy on the Other Other’s Boat
- The non-survivor survivors (as mentioned by Preevyet)
- The non-dead dead-survivors (we can assume they’re alive since Ben tells Said “you want to save your friends…”)
- 9-lives-Patchy-army-of-one
- Jacob and his posse of ghosts (could Jack’s dad be one of them?)
- Jesus ‘el saviorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr’ Smoke Monster
Did I miss anyone?
Probably roaming somewhere on the island:
- The guy from the Dharma videos
- The other members of DriveShaft
- Alf
- Giant Lego Man (click on my name for the youtube link)
Oh yeah, and it looks like we may now have “The Other Aaron”… keep em’ coming JJ…
You all everybody…
YOU ALL EVERYBODY…
love that hook, man…
driveshaft mocks…I mean, rocks!
This site actually seems like it’s full of hypocrites. You sit around talking about how those “pathetic fanboys over at the Fuselage cream themselves” over every little thing about Lost. And yet, you sit here talking about a show that you liked once. And now, 2 seasons later, you still sit here, lamenting over how bad this show, that was once great, has gotten. It’s like you liked the show so much that it was WORTH sitting here talking about for almost four seasons.
Blah blah blah, blah blah blah, I’m another fanboy who can’t read the FAQ, blah blah blah.
LOL,
Always love to hear from you Captain.
Mrs. Meister
I read the FAQ, I’m just making a comment at it. Glad to see you can refute my point with an intellegent comment.
If you’d read the old posts, you’ll see my analogy. It’s like heroin, I’m still chasing the first season high I got. Unless someone slides me some methadone, I show up every Thursday (well Saturday or sunday now) to watch. I even said I wasn’t going to sit in my car this time and what did I do? Sat outside a Panera and injected. Sad, pathetic, life. It’s just every couple of days some fanboy gets on and says the same crap, so I get tired of having to repeat this over, and over, and over, and over, and over,…well I hope you get the point. I actually am thinking Lost has made a turn for the better and that the remaining episodes really kick butt. Maybe I’ll get that high again.
Really? Ben had prisoners kept in observation cells, Bush had Guantanamo. Is Bush a mass murderer as Ben is? It depends on if you count the million dead Iraqi’s or not. But look Chet, Its just a theory. After 911 America was indeed “LOST.” The survivors of 911 were the American people who split into basically two camps. Jack’s Camp (The Liberals) and Lockes Camp (The Conservatives) who wanted to revert to traditional truths i.e. boar hunting. We will “escape the island” in November of 2008 when we get a new leader, maybe.
Okay dude – this is really not the place. There would be plenty of people on here who can intelligently discuss a range of opinions on the war, the president, etc. This is not the goal here. You can mask your agenda by attempting to create allegory out of a crappy TV show but it’s more likely you are filtering even your TV watching experience through your myopic self-loathing of those you disagree with (for example, no reputable source confirms the number having been killed as “millions” – expand your investigation beyond those who agree with you). There are plenty of other sites on both ends of the political spectrum for you to go and either pick a fight or receive confirmation of your beliefs.
Do you represent the website or are you just a self-righteous rightwinger? and aside from that do you have a better theory of what the show is about? I never said the show didn’t suck. I just said it seemed allegorical to the Bush Administration. So maybe you are the one that needs to go back to the front row of your hillbilly church and talk about how much you hate gays.
WOW!!
I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant and full of love…
Mrs. Meister
Don’t try to think, you ar not any good at it.
Liberals always resort to namecalling when they can’t intelligently engage in conversation. Refer to my post up the page a bit if you want to know what I think of your bleeding heart liberal agenda. IF you want to talk lost, great, but don’t start a political debate that you will lose. Stop being a sore loser and deal with the fact that most Americans care about the security of this country, don’t want to be taxed to the hilt, and would prefer freedom over oversight. Wrong place, wrong time Joe Kellogg, talk lost or don’t talk, and for God’s sake no more comparisons, especially when Blackwater isn’t a government agency (see below).
Actually, I’m a semi-liberal. (Surprised?)
That other dude? Batshit crazy.
When you insult people for being liberal, or insult people for being conservative, you automatically lose. They’ve gotta be the most ignorant sounding insults in the world. Checks and balances = a great thing. We need both.
LOL – Oh man, that was awesome. I had a rough day at work and needed a laugh. Thanks for that. You’re right…compared to you I am right winged but so is probably everyone on the board compared to you. I love how you unleash your bigoted tirade without knowing anything about me except that I would dare question your outrageous statistics. By that measure if I question the numbers regarding how many people die each year from second-hand smoke then I’m the forum moderator for the dailykos, right?
Seriously, that idiotic rant made my day. Thanks.
Oh, the helicopter and team that came in it and that Sayeed left with, Thats Blackwater Security or Black Ops.
if you want to stick with those analogies…
Trying to find a deep underlying plot to Lost, is like trying to find WMDs in Iraq. You can look all you want and sugarcoat it as nicely as you can, but it just isn’t there people!
Well, I’ve considered all of your backwoods opinions and filed them accordingly. However your rightwing philosphies, which are apparently set in concrete in your minds, prove me right. Forrest Gump was allegory about the post WW2 collective American experience. Bruce Springsteens new CD “Magic” is allegory about the Bush Administration so why is that the notion that “LOST is allegory too outrageous to entertain? Indeed if “The Others” are symbolic of rightwingers then you certainly would squeal like pigs with their tails caught in the manure spreader. For that would mean that the writers of “LOST” are Holywood Liberals making fun of YOU. Perhaps that is why you hate this show without real cause and obviously on a subconcious level. Yes, “The Island” is Iraq and Ben is Bush.
I’m not going to bring politics into this (seriously folks, there are only about a million other blogs where you right-wingnuts and latte liberals can yell at each other), because Joe Kellogg’s primary argument is flawed to begin with. Lost isn’t some great allegory for ANYTHING because JJ Abrams isn’t that clever. In fact, he’s the very definition of a one-trick pony. He has the one trick (”let’s make everything a mystery!!”), and that’s all that he can do. You see it in Lost, you saw it in Cloverfield (even the title’s a mystery! a mystery with a completely crappy payoff!), and you’ll see it next summer in the re-worked “Star Trek.” Will be interesting to see how Spock goes around NOT sharing his logical information with anyone (”It’s complicated, Captain…” “Our time is limited, Scotty, so I cannot reveal what I’ve learned…”), and how Kirk cries at the mention of his daddy. Plus there’s the very real prospect of a space smoke monster and a space electromagnetic barrier (with multiple settings) and a villain who may really be a good guy. Or a villain. Or a good guy PRETENDING to be a villain who just happens to have a lot of special, super-secret information which he can’t share. Unless the plot requires it for red-herring purposes. And don’t even get me started on the flashbacks and flashforwards Abrams will have at his disposal. “Temporal Prime Directive!? Bah! I LAUGH at the Temporal Prime Directive!”
Abrams will be boldly going where no hack has gone before.
People with political perspective need to leave but the Trekkies get to stay? Hey dude, go sharpen the points on your ears, they seem to be getting a might dull. MORE? Desmond is Tony Blair. You have Japanese business interests on both the Island and in Iraq. You have the French in both places, lost and trying to figure out what year it is. Sonic fence is the border with Mexico. Kate and Sawyer were digging and looking for WMD’s when they wre Ben’s prisoners at Guantanamo. What about the children? NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. Gene splicing and stem cell research THE POLAR BEARS. Desmond was taking innoculations for Husseins Germ Warfare Program. Its as plain as the nose on your face people, oh thats right, you are too smart to be fooled.
Dude, go back to Hippie Hill and smoke more of your peace pipe and watch more TV. Who knows, maybe you’ll figure out that Emeril is the Pope or that Sponge Bob is Hitler. In fact every TV show, song written, and movie made is an allegory.
Honestly, politics aside, I think you are a whack job. PLEASE, If your only opinion of the show is going to be political week after week, please just go away. Go discuss your views with people who want to hear it, or at least want to debate it. This is the wrong place for that.
Mrs. Meister
It doesnt take long for the rightwingers to show their true colors. Hey, why don’t you go waterboard somebody. Your people seem to like that quite a bit.
yeah, we practice at my hillbilly church each week. We do it to all the gays.
Mrs. Meister
That goes without saying….
If you think you know what waterboarding is by watching the Clinton news network you are wrong. I do, it isn’t torture in so much as listening to your liberalistic tirades are. Go the fuck away, we’ve asked nicely now get the FUCK off the board.
Careful now, your rightwingerness and immaturity are showing. Why don’t you just write waaah ahh wahhhh boo hoo wah wah…..
Hey fucktard—read the URL. This is “why lost sucks,” not “why tin-foil-hat-wearing psychotics try to shoehorn their demented worldview into a second-rate TV show whenever they go off their meds.” Idiot.
Post of the week…the polls are now closed. I actually LOL’d
I second that. The visual you get when reading is hysterical.
Way too funny!
Mrs. Meister
Wow, a Trekkie with a tude. Whatzza matter? wouldnt they beam you up?
I made the same point above. Without commenting on the political substance of Joe’s allegory, it attributes a certain thematic cohesiveness to the show that is simply not there. Joe, I give you points for creativity but there is NO sub-text. It’s just crappy tv, dude.
As I have said several times now, ITS JUST A THEORY. It kind of fits, sort of. Personally I vowed after “Kingdom Hospital” to never watch any crap like this again. But I started watching LOST anyway. I didnt come here to flush out the rightwingers. They made their presence known all on their own. I can take LOST or leave it but I don’t suffer from schizoid paranoia like the above mentioned posters do. They are like the same nuts that start thinking that what is said in chatrooms is very very imortant.
Ok – point taken: it’s just a theory though it is obviously couched in very strong politic terms and you’ve obviously spent considerable time developing it. Given the current climate in the U.S., I think that people are especially sensitive. In the best of times, take it from me, these topics are simply not worth discussing with strangers in a virtual space dedicated to maligning a once promising but now utterly mediocre show. This sure as heck isn’t the forum for civilized, balanced and intelligent political debate. Balanced and intelligent debate of any kind is strongly discouraged and fortunately rarely achieved here.
Now, turning to Hurley’s butt cheeks, are they most reminiscent of cottage cheese, jello or plasticine? And if we delve deeply between these two formidable hemispheres, WILL WE find the children? What say you Prometheus?
Actually I only hit upon the Bush Admin allegory theory yesterday when I made my first post here. It was easy to make the connections because the “War On Terror” is basically a tv show just like LOST. That is to say we “experience” most of our political understandings from what we see on television. I just put the two things side by side and “poof” magic. I was however googling “wal-mart sucks” when I thought to myself, “Hey, do you suppose there is a LOST sucks? Hurley, for however big, dumb and gentle he appears is a or at least has been a mental patient. Thats where he gets (in the asylum) the magical numbers that he wins the lottery with. It is unclear as to when exactly he will turn into a pumpkin. If he stays on his present course it is fairly certain that he will become one of Lockes wives. Ben grew up on the Island as did his daughter. Therefore children can grow up on the island. It could be however that all of the rightwingers, I’m sorry, all of the “Others” are sterile mutants, Hurleys ass cheeks not withstanding.
turkey – I’m actually surprised at your comment:
“Balanced and intelligent debate of any kind is strongly discouraged and fortunately rarely achieved here.”
Take away the general tenor since the return of this season and I’d say you yourself have been a part of a fair number of balanced and intelligent debates around here. I know JT and I have had reasonable discourse on many occasions with huge differences of opinions. Yes, Big Jim would piss off Laurent from time to time and Nico would irritate someone but until the influx of trolls this season, this has been a pretty far above average board I would say.
As far as the political debate around here, I think that the reason that hasn’t/doesn’t happen around here is because as a group, the regulars have pretty much agreed to stay away from such things (include religion in that one too). This came up last year and I think that even though there wasn’t explicit statement of such, I think the general consensus seemed to be that we all come here for escape with still a little mental exercise and not to debate serious stuff. Really, just to have fun debate stuff that truly doesn’t matter in the scope of things.
I’ve been on this board awhile now and that has pretty much been the way things have worked and I for one hope it stays that way instead of the insistence of this seasons brand of trolls to continue to throw names they consider insults around any chance they can and pretend their making an allusion or thinking in deep terms.
Speaking of which, Sticky, I’m not sure if you’ve seen it yet, but I posted a long, rambling reply to ones of your posts upthread. Wasn’t sure if you saw it, considering there are like SIX THOUSAND POSTS on this blog entry.
For pete’s sake Stickman, that comment about intelligent debate was completely ironic. By and large, the level of discourse here can sometimes be pretty elevated and is almost always more interesting than the show itself, which is partly why I’ve stuck around so long. Okayyyy?! And yes, I agree that the whole fun of this forum is debating stuff that truly doesn’t matter in the great scheme of things (except for Hurley’s buttocks… I think they matter a great deal). I also abhor pedantry for it’s own sake or worse yet as a thinly disguised means of shoving one’s political views down people’s throats and this is what I was attempting to convey politely to Joe.
You could stand a little fish in your diet also. Just banana’s make for dim witted monkeys.
Turkey, have I mentioned recently that you’re a giant poopyface who eats poop for breakfast?
Okay Turk – I hear ya. I’ll admit the idiocy (by a select few) of this place of late has me worked up.
Will we find the children? From my point of view, there are two issues, and two answers, one of which we already have. Whether or not we ever return the Oceanic children to their proper homes or not, we do know for a fact that no one on that flight gives a rat’s ass about the kids because they haven’t mentioned them in, what, two seasons now. So the real question must be, “Do the writers of Lost care about children, vis a vis, the beach crowd?” And the obvious answer is, no they don’t. Jeez, I mean, when Jack spoke about everyone being rescued, there wasn’t one word about tracking down the fugitive Others and getting the kids back to be rescued. So I guess he, too, has forgotten about them, as has Kate and everyone else. So that answers that: whether or not they’re ever rescued now, they have, de facto, disappeared from the show. Will those idiot writers actually let the children be rescued? Well, I’d guess . . . Probably! Only to show how they tie up loose ends. But that’s a loose end that’s gone wild, and wrapping it up now with a quick rescue would be hypocritical and arrogant. In the show on the island, yes, I believe they will likely rescued. In the show as we’ve watched it since the crash of the tail section, no, those kids who were kidnapped by the Others are gone for good. They’ve become Lost, by sheer neglect!
At this point, I think I might be more insulted by a sudden resurgence of the children than I am about their continued silence on that topic. Mark my words, the children will resurface at some point in the future when it’s convenient.
“No Child Left Behind”
After all this, does anyone remember what the episode was about? Crappy courtroom “drama” and a big surprise (is it Claire’s Aaron or Kate’s Aaron)? That is all.
Wow, your attention span doesnt last from the TV over to the computer? Tell your handlers that you need more than just banana’s in your diet. Ask them for a fish biscuit. Some protein should increase your mental power, in your case it couldnt hurt. You would be a Bush supporter. ……
This latest iteration of iluvdawsoncreek and california condor is by far the least entertaining.
Duh me stupid, just some loser right winger with a Masters in Information Systems management (undergrad in Math) who is a noted expert in the field of computer security and geospatial intelligence. But that’s it, just prove my point that all liberals can do is call people names and make fun of them. If you’d like to debate me, my liberal friend, I would wipe the floor with your bleeding heart but alas, this is a Lost board and if you really can’t think of anything else than to inject politics, get the FUCK off this board. I’m done with you, besides your retort will ascend to namecalling yet again, then something about the church I don’t attend or the person I don’t support (take a stab, I support a black man that isn’t Obama), throw in a “right-winger” comment and over. Well, I’m done this time.
Calling someone a “bleeding heart” is just calling names and making fun of them. Even with all your impressive book-learnin’, you’ve already lost the debate in three sentences. Pot, meet kettle.
Q.E.D.
This was an a and b conversation, so you should c your way out. Bleeding hear liberal is not namecalling, my friend. Saying he’s a fuckface asshole liberal dumbshit is, and I don’t do that. Your condescending post (book learnin’) indicates you are part of the left, and honestly that is ok. If we all believed the same thing, this country would really go to hell. If there’s one thing I’ve learned in 20+ years of military service and nearly 39 years of life is no one side is right, and without the checks and balances someone mentioned earlier (matt?) then things would be bad.
JT – Sorry, I hadn’t seen your reply above in the mass of other posts.
I understand where you are coming from though I would disagree that it is too early to complain or suspect that we are just being strung along by nonsense.
This video link that Laurent posted just prior to the season did much to make me even less tolerant of Lost than I already was:
www(dot)ted(dot)com/index(dot)php/talks/view/id/205/
Now, I realize I am shooting it through my own subjective prism (as all of us do) but in there I hear veiled admissions that their was/is no “uber-plot”, that his concept of good writing is creating questions and feels no real obligation to answer them, and that his own feces does indeed fail to stink. I wasn’t THAT fed up with his self-loving act until he made the comment about 3/4 way through about “when people make sequels or rip-off other movies they don’t rip off the good part, the character development, they rip off the shark (referring to jaws) or the monster”…
OMG, have you seen the piece of crap that is Cloverfield? (Maybe that entire movie was him trying to be ironic).
Also, the very fact that he harps on the value of character development so much but yet, after a good first season of Lost in which the character development was the strength of the show is irritating to say the least. This to me demonstrates a fair amount of contempt for your audience (which Lost does over and over in plenty of ways). I know I’ve been saying this lately but it just seems to have become glaringly obvious that his formula is premise without resolution which requires absolutely no talent to create but he still acts like he’s God’s gift to mystery/suspense. I’m not sure if it was in that talk or somewhere else but he mentioned at some point the work of Hitchcock (clearly as someone he admires). If that’s who he aspires to be, he should go back and watch some classics and see that at some point, there actually is payoff, suggesting that there was forethought put into the premise originally – that’s actually what takes talent.
Add the frustration of seeing that video going into the season to a continued mediocre performance by the show, an influx of morons to our humble board, I’m trying to finish my dissertation and my wife is 7 months pregnant and yeah, I’ve been a little more worked up than normal. Sorry
Plus, I paid almost full price to see the 73 minutes of stinking shiite that was Cloverfield (thank God for that military discount)!!!
prioritize, bro’!
1. finish dissertation
2. finish birthing
3. reverse the first two if necessary
4. ignore board baiters
5. ignore JJ productions
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as for Cloverfield…entertaining, until you stop to actually pay attention and wonder why anyone (ANYWHERE!) would run back towards the danger that was a 100′ mutant turtle lizard (donatello?).
as you and Laurent (and me long long ago!!! stop plagiarising my ideas you hack!!! I kid…) pointed out, JJ’s trick is “the box”. not what’s in the box, but the box…an idea he obviously stole from the “Family Guy” episode where peter chooses the mystery box over a new boat b/c…well, there could be anything inside the box, even a new boat!
In re Abrams and character development: Before the BF was closed down, you couldn’t go a week w/o someone bringing up the two prongs of Lost character development—almost everyone has daddy issues, and almost everyone is a borderline sociopath. This could’ve made for a really interesting island experience, but we now know where that ship has sailed. So yeah, for Abrams to get all high and mighty about character development is a bit disingenuous, to say the least.
Congratulations Stickman, on your bye-bees soon arrival!!
How excited you must be! Have you picked a name yet? I hear Aaron is popular these days.
Mrs. Meister
Thanks. We’re having a girl who will be named Nova – after the mute chick in the original Planet of the Apes – kidding of course – she will be named after her great-grandmother.
The funny part of the story is that about a year and a half ago we started adopting a baby from vietnam and that process takes a while. So, wouldn’t you know that about the same time we finally get referred a little girl, we find out we are unexpectedly pregnant so we have one waiting for us in Vietnam (5 months old right now) and the other one on the way – both are expected home sometime in May – Yikes. Our other little girl will be “Juneau” – a name which we had picked out a year and a half ago when we started the adoption process and then that stupid movie comes out. Grrrrr…
Okay, back to non-personal stuff like how much this season blows so far.
(off-topic) Dude, way to go on the baby, Sticky.
(on-topic) There are like fifty other posts that I want to post responses to, but this blog post is just getting far too big to wade through, which is actually a good thing. I’ll hit everyone up after this week’s episode airs.
Nice commenting this week. You little bitches. I love it.
Wow, I go away for a few days and come back to 311 posts. You guys were busy!
Yes 100 of which is the pointless baby powder that adulterates the addictive cocaine that is this site. I’m all about free speech, but if you don’t get rid of off-topic posts, this site is gonna blow.
You must have a very shallow and meaningless life. If it helps, you can pretend that LOST is allegorical to the Clinton Administration.
Oh for Christ’s sake, Joe. Give the personal insults and political references a rest, will ya?!
seriously, shut the fuck up already
What? Do you type with a stick in your mouth to punch the keys?
Two wrongs do not make a right but two Wrights did make an airplane. I simply posted an off the cuff theory and the insults found me first. I have looked the site over quite thoroughly and have found it has no rules and few parameters other than “LOST SUCK’S.” So the theory, which is gaining momentum on other message boards, that LOST is allegory for the bizzare performance of the Bush Administration is as valid as anything else that is posted here. Indeed, if that is true then LOST would enter the suckiness hall of fame. It goes without saying that LOST is written in Hollywood by Hollywood Liberals, an absolute bastion of anti-rightwinger philosophies, what would they write about and how would they write in this era of survelliance (remember the cameras in the hatch) and big brotherisms. This is exactly what they would write and exactly how they would write it. It would also seem that adherents to a show that they clearly cannot comprehend ala the posters on this message board demonstrates mostly a misguided, neo-conservative mind set which they demostrate with their open hatred for anything that points out the failure of their belief system and/or the Bush pipe dream in general. Calling me crazy doesnt make me wrong. Its telling that you went straight for crazy and didnt waste anytime calling me a “witch” first. If you are scared of allegory perhaps you should go wait on the beach before the smoke monster gets you.
Perhaps Joe, you fail to realize that we are all here to discuss why LOST sucks. Sure, a theory to this and a theory to that is brought up now and again, but overall, there is a consensus that there is really no theory at all. No plot and no cohesion. It seems to me that at best, you have a theory you wish to discuss that we all couldn’t care less about. So why wouldn’t you want to go to another site that actually cares about your theory? Perhaps losttheories(dotcom) would be better suited to you. You would definitely get a lot of discussion over there. But this site is mostly to complain, make fun of, and commiserate about Lost. If you have any commentary other than political debate, your comments would be most welcome, however, it is getting really, really annoying to sift through all your posts to get to the good stuff.
This is just my opinion , but I do believe it is shared by most of the regulars here.
Mrs. Meister
Dude, Mrs. Meister and I are at the opposite end of the political spectrum (we’re talking different solar systems) and I completely agree with her post. Don’t make assumptions about who is lurking around here. You have presented your theory repeatedly in excrutiating detail. When I saw your first post, I thought it was interesting and funny and in my naïveté did not realize that you were actually in earnest or that you had an agenda. And by the way, you didn’t just come up with this. You posted the same theory twice after last week and this week’s epis. Certain people with different political, er… sensibilities responded rather aggressively, I agree. But you should have anticipated this. Perhaps what really irks you is that you did not get the unequivocally enthusiastic response that you were expecting and now you are lashing out at everyone. Yes, ok the Lost writers are annointed Hollywood liberals. But that doesn’t even begin to support your theory. Even if it was plausible, what do you expect people to say? You don’t want to discuss the show, you’re using this theory as an excuse to discuss politics. Although I can’t speak for everyone, my impression is that there appears to be little appetite for this around here. If your theory is gaining momentum on other message boards, I suggest you seek satisfaction on those boards. If your theory turns out to be true, congratulations you get a cookie. Now please fuck off.
Turkey, that was succulent. I’m done with General Mills or Post or whatever.
Joe- Sure, there are not alot of rules here except that we try to respect each other. You just barged into an established community and are trying to overpower it with whatever your agenda is. But that’s not what we come here for, so I’m asking you to relax a bit and try to stay on topic. I hate playing the evil censor and deleting posts.
Very well stated responses by meister, turkey, and the creator. The nail has been hit squarely on the head.
I am a fucking idiot.
Skeptic -
CLASSIC family guy reference above. Maybe Family Guy is allegory (the word of the week apparently) and Peter represents JJ (makes the whole “Petarded” episode make sense – peter wins a rigged game of trivial pursuit, starts thinking he is a genius, takes an IQ test and realizes he is actually retarded).
Didn’t mean to rip off your work, once I saw that video I found myself jumping onto that train with both feet.
Speaking of theories, anyone remember the theory advanced by someone (I can’t remember who) on this board (and eventually put onto losttheories(dot)com) that said the other were all actually gay or something like that?
It was really funny at the time but I can’t remember it anymore. I do remember that it was NOT popular on losttheories.
yah, don’t remember who proffered that theory either, but he/she hasn’t been around in a while. funny though.
re: ‘the box’ theory…I’m really not that sensitive.
though it is a well referenced belief, and now JJ has even said as much in video and print, that for him it’s all about the mystery. THAT FACT is to me the most fundamental critique of the show. everything else is semantic, and fun…but we all migrated here after googling “lost sucks” after watching yet another episode where nothing happened!!! so we’ve all known it all along.
Seriously, The only way to save Lost at this point:
- In tomorrow’s episode, from the helicopter, Desmond has a vision of imminent danger: zombies on the island!!
“Zombies” he says! “ZOMBIES ON THE ISLAND!!”
- Saiid looks at the pilot and says, “Here we go again my friend.”, and the pilot says “Yeeeeeeeha. But I still ain’t giving my recipe away”.
- They fly back towards the ilsand, and land next to Jin and Bernard.
- Bernard says to Jin: “Dude! Zombies all around us…. remember when you used to be a zombie?!! LOL LOL!!”
- And Jin Says: “Word. Remember when you used to be dead and evil.”
- Bernard says: “Those were the days…. hmmmm maybe this is where we are afterall… stuck in a time warp waiting to relive our glory days…”
- Jin: “Hell Yeah. Let’s go kill some living things.”
- Pilot looks at Saiid: “I guess they’re the zombies this time around… let’s go woop some ass”
- Saiid: “Well, if you remeber correctly, the last time around I was both creating zombies and killing them too, so I can go eitherway, and well you know…argh” [SLASH!!/CHOP!!]
- Zombie Mr Eko just chopped Saiid’s Head Off.
- Zombie Mr EKo says “Did someone say glory days?!! AH – HA HA HA HA!”
- Michael appears on Locke’s wheelchair, waving a fist, screaming, “Damn you Adebise, damn you!”
then various cast members of “Las Vegas” show up in random cameos exhibiting their brilliant acting chops! nah…that would suck.
Thanks for jogging my memory about the upcoming helicopter ride. Based on Science Guy’s warning (”make sure you follow the EXACT coordinates”) and what the tease for tonight’s episode shows us, it looks to me like the writers are doing a nice rip-off of Steven King’s “The Langoliers.” Of course, they would call it an “homage.”
Either way, it’s interesting to see that the Lost boys are collectively kissing the ass of their (probably) most famous fanboy.
nice post
good observation re: the langoliers, and King’s love affair with the show.
I wish I could plagiarize other works and call it an ‘homage’
I hope the cast of dawsons creek does a cameo also….
disregard that. i am stupid.
If you’re reading this:
You know you loved this week’s episode, Tyler.
oh man i’m just salivating, waiting to sink my teeth into tonight’s episode!!
have you guys read his 10 reasons why lost sucks? they are nonsense. btw, this new desmond episode was the best of the season so far. and how many of you can tolerate watching a show every week that you hate? thats what i thought. thus,tyler is some kind of sick twisted nut case.
Right. So its not about the Bush Administration huh? Desmond hangs around in 1996 the interim between Clintons fiirst and second term. All of the things he loves are in 96. Everything about his life that blows is in 2004. He has become unstuck in time, (direct rip-off from Vonnegut, a notorius Liberal who actually had books burned over it). What about “Back To The Future”? I hear MJ Fox and Rush Limbaugh are great buddies. Where exactly did you think Bush found Rumsfeld? He had to take a Time Machine back to the Reagen Adminstration. Just for kicks when they brought back Rumsfeld they brought back ethanol. Nooooooooo, its not about the Bush Administration.
Maybe Bush can join the cast after the next election. George W. Locke.
Last night’s Desmond episode did not suck. I could pick some nits, but I found it to be entertaining throughout. Desmond’s episodes have usually been pretty solid. The same with Sayid’s episodes.
They should just call the series “Desmond and Sayid are LOST” and kill off everyone else.
I’d watch that show.