The constant

In bed with the flu in a nyquil haze - didn’t catch the episode.  Discuss here.

Written by Tyler on February 29th, 2008 with 191 comments.
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Comment by raptusregaliter
2008-02-29 12:29:34

Last night’s ep didn’t suck nearly as bad as last week’s Kate-centric episode. I think all the romance / love story subplots are lame as a general rule, and the pandering-to-the-fanboys callbacks during the auction had a kind of masturbatory offensiveness, but at least the story had some interesting underpinnings. I guess that’s what happens when you freely lift from Vonnegut (did he at least get a writing credit?).

Comment by TheLostSkeptic
2008-02-29 13:00:41

I’d agree…fair is fair, and I generally like Des-centric (and Sayid-centric) episodes. jack, kate, sawyer, hurley et al bore me to tears (which means 85% of the epis suck!)

the pandering remains a substitute for actual cleverness…they consider this show part of the ‘multi-media revolution’ where by some folks can just watch, others can dig for all the easter eggs and dig deeper still through [fake] related online material (e.g. the whole dharma website crap).

the ‘memento moment’ for me was when penny’s pop left the water running in the bathroom. a “clever” trick to show us how long des was time traveling…long enough to have the sink overflow!!! OMG!!!

 
 
Comment by LOSTnLOST
2008-02-29 12:30:55

He made up some BS about him having flu, because he knows the episode was awesome

Comment by JimBob Bodine
2008-02-29 12:37:42

fuck you fanboy

Comment by LOSTnLOST
2008-02-29 12:48:20

Fuck me?
This was an awesome episode, and you lowlife mothers are gna deny it

Comment by Jake
2008-02-29 13:16:05

I’m not going to deny that it was a GOOD episode, but still far from awesome. Reference to Jake’s post below about the writers blatantly ripping off vonnegut’s story. I for one would love to hear what you, CALIFORNIA CONDOR, and all the rest of you bastard douchebag fanboys have to stay about the writers you hold in such high esteem.

ARE THESE WRITERS GETTING PAID MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO RIP OFF OTHER PEOPLE’S IDEAS???!?!?!

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Comment by Jacob
2008-02-29 12:54:16

Warning to all: if you visit the Fuselage today, you’d better bring a mop. The floors are covered with fanboy splooge.

Comment by LOSTnLOST
2008-02-29 13:17:02

Ive never been on the fuselage

Comment by jacob
2008-02-29 13:44:20

Are you saying that you are the entire universe?

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Comment by kndmanz
2008-02-29 14:31:43

The floors are pretty sploogified over at the TWoP forums, as well.

 
 
 
Comment by RobbyLove
2008-02-29 12:38:32

I liked the episode. The bouncing around by Desmond reminded me of the final epi of TNG when Picard was jumping forward and back through time. As I posted earlier in last week’s thread, Desmond and Sayid episodes usually deliver.

There were some flaws (how did Des know exactly where to find tweaker-boy Faraday at Oxford when he couldn’t remember anything? How could Sayid rig up an analogue phone line tester to make a satellite-based person-to-person phone call?) but the episode was entertaining and passed the basic stink test from beginning to end.

If LOST had delivered a majority of episodes like this last season then most of us wouldn’t be lingering around this site, me thinks.

My two copper.

RL

Comment by raptusregaliter
2008-02-29 12:50:40

Forgot about the TNG finale! Demon and Curse must have taken copious notes the last time it aired in syndication.

 
Comment by TheLostSkeptic
2008-02-29 13:11:16

you’re generally where I am on this. there are always holes and gaps of logic with this show, which are only accentuated by the fact that the show takes itself so seriously.

still…I thought it was ‘ok’, and at least it started to actually give some explanation (however convoluted?) regarding the time travel, radiation/magnatism, etc. I give it some credit for tending to some lingering specific questions (e.g. why do they need to follow specific coordinates to find/leave the island?)

 
Comment by Eric
2008-02-29 15:35:21

He could remember stuff from time traveling. That’s how he could find Daniel. He just couldn’t remember anything from his island-life. He believed that he was supposed to be in the army.

This was a pretty good episode. It got rave reviews on sites with people that actually like Lost, and it’s not getting ripped apart here. Success?

Comment by RobbyLove
2008-02-29 15:40:36

Oh I know that, but how would he know what he looked like? He seemed to make a bee-line for him. Oxford is a big-damned place. Seemed to convenient.

But yeah, good episode.

 
 
 
Comment by Jake
2008-02-29 12:42:41

Even though i did enjoy watching last nights episode, I still have one gripe. The writers blatantly ripped off the “unstuck in time” scenario from the novel “Slaughterhouse 5″ by Kurt Vonnegut. They even used the term “unstuck”.

Even still, I enjoyed the episode. I liked the fact that it became clear exactly what the time difference between the island and the real world can be, and yes, they might be bringing back the mystery of the hatch. Seeing as how only desmond was affected, him being in the hatch at the time it exploded and being exposed to the magnetism. It just makes me feel like they haven’t completely forgotten about the major loose ends they have ignored for so long. Entertaining episode

 
Comment by johnhauqe
2008-02-29 13:02:32

This seasons episodes have mostly been very good at creating new surprises and questions, so much better then the last season. I credit that to the flash forwards which almost necessarily have to be relevant to the story.

However, if you read the recent and detailed interview in entertainment weekly, you will see that a lot of major questions won’t get answered this season.

One of my biggest questions is still, who are the others, what is their history. belief and motivation? Not knowing this makes it for me hard to get immersed in the show, since it makes the group seem like a dualistic “pure evil” sort of group with unrealistic motivation. (incidentally this is the same problem in star wars were we still don’t really know about the emperors history and motivation and must deduce that the dark side makes people robots who become lackys for british actors until they are ret conned into being more pivotal).

With Whidmore appearing in this episode buying a hanso owned book at auction, it also appears the fanboy fantasy of multiple competing outside groups going after the island is coming true, something too convoluted for my taste especially with all the hype about dharma with the lost experience alternate realty game.

 
Comment by Stickman
2008-02-29 13:09:51

You know, if Lost would deliver an episode like that more than once per millenium, this site would be a lot less fun. Luckily the writers have too much contempt for viewers.

I actually significantly enjoyed the episode. It had some issues but I actually can’t remember the last episode that I thought was this good. It was fairly cohesive in and off itself, it suggested some semblance of relating to the overall “plot” arc, characters acted fairly consistently, and it didn’t have such glaring shortcomings as to detract from the entertainment value.

I’ve not read Vonnegut so I wasn’t aware of that rip-off. The couple of issues I had were:
1. The Blackrock reference was forced and didn’t add anything to the proceedings other than to give the fuselage dorks wood.
2. That stupid “If things go wrong, Desmond is MY constant” thing at the end…cheesy.

Overall, I was extremely pleased. Either it was a good performance for once or my expectations have dropped so precipitously that I can’t differentiate anymore (kind of like I’m jumping back and forth through time and can’t tell which is time is which).

My main problem is this though:
If Michael Jordan, back in the glory days had come out and had 50 points and 15 rebounds every 10 games but during the 9 games in between he had 2 point, 10 turnovers and fouled out every game, would we laud him as a great?

Clearly not. Would we even say he was good?

No way. In fact, we would be pissed off and think he was a total hack because he had shown signs of potential but wasn’t willing to put forth the effort to live up to it most of the time.

So, before the devoted get too full of themselves, after all of the crap we’ve had to put up with, the writers owe us more than 1 good performance every few months before any cogent arguments can be made against the overall suckitude of the show.

Comment by TheLostSkeptic
2008-02-29 13:14:38

yep, they’re batting .200 this season…not HOF caliber by far.

Comment by RobbyLove
2008-02-29 13:19:30

IMHO I think they are a batting close to .250 (right about the Mendoza line).

There’s been a collective 1/4 of an episode amongst the previous 4 that was decent.

1.25 good episodes out of 5 = .250

Comment by RobbyLove
2008-02-29 13:23:00

And just to be clear:

I think shows should bat over .500 at a minimum to be considered “decent”, and .800 or better to be considered “GREAT”. If I go a whole month of watching a show where I am entertained, I won’t care so much if the next episode is lame.

4 good out of 5 episodes earns you a mulligan. 1 good out of 5 episodes earns you scorn and disdain.

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Comment by TheLostSkeptic
2008-02-29 13:17:07

I agree with much of your observation, specifically the ‘black rock’ reference. that’s when my penchance for eye rolling is put to the test.

Comment by mlylecarlin
2008-03-03 03:24:48

Penchant

Comment by TheLostSkeptic
2008-03-03 11:28:00

a demonstration of your penchant for editing online material? you must be very busy.

PS: i often fail to capitalize and punctuate correctly too, please advise…

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Comment by Jake
2008-02-29 13:19:51

“1. The Blackrock reference was forced and didn’t add anything to the proceedings other than to give the fuselage dorks wood.”

HAHAHA! bravo once again, Stickman

 
Comment by mrmonkey
2008-02-29 13:44:03

Another thing giving the fanboys major wood is the appearance of the numbers again. That’s become such an easy way to bait them now. Just drop in the odd reference to something from the past and the fanboys will be drooling away.

Same goes for the mention of “hanso” at the auction. I bet they all started their detective work over screen caps of the auction house.

Comment by TheLostSkeptic
2008-02-29 13:50:05

yes…a nugget highlighted on the ‘enhanced’ version of last weeks’ otherwise unwatchable episode:

kate’s case docket number was 4223xxx or some combination of the numbers.

for some I guess the show is a video version of the ‘hidden pitcure’ puzzles that were/are a staple of highlights magazine.

Comment by raptusregaliter
2008-02-29 14:08:31

I’ll start watching for the “Goofus and Gallant” references.

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Comment by TheLostSkeptic
2008-02-29 14:18:04

I know you’re joking (good one!), but aren’t they already there?!?!

jack keeps his hair ‘high and tight’ to show he’s a swell and respectable fellow…

sawyer tries to impress the ladies using his feathered fabian coif (100 strokes a night with a brush keeps his hair shiny!)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by mrmonkey
2008-02-29 13:39:39

Count me as one of those that did not enjoy last night’s episode. I just think it was too sci-fi for my liking with the time travel stuff, and the fact that time slows down on the island. I hope they don’t make nerdboy Doc a main part of the show now with his time travel stuff.

I’m not much of a fan of the flashbacks and flash-forwards to start with, but having them happen concurrently with what is going on in present time made it seem kind of foolish. The material in last night’s episode is worthy of a television series by itself so I don’t know how they’re going to tie it in with the rest of the stuff.

The people on the ship seemed to be too surly compared to the people that they sent on the island. I didn’t get that.

After watching last night I have to say my annoyance level at Desmond grew tenfold. Why does he have to make every sentence so dramatic. There were a bunch of times last night when i just wanted to shout “OUT WITH IT ALREADY!!”. Enough with all the stuttering and crying please! I mean Sayid tells him there isn’t much power in the phone and he’s just there crying away. The penelope story is just too sappy for me… waiting on xmas eve for the call… pfft…

all in all i wasn’t too impressed with the whole thing. It didn’t do much in progressing the overall plot.

Comment by raptusregaliter
2008-02-29 14:06:18

As long as you’re bringing up science guy I’ll add my two cents. First he stood around waiting for a missile to land on his head. This week, he decrees that the lab rat MUST have time-travelled because she navigated the maze with limited hesitation—as if there could be no other possible explanation for her above-average performance.

But hey, why would a scientist worry about Ockham’s razor when he could just take a big sexy leap of faith? Gotta move the plot along somehow.

 
Comment by kndmanz
2008-02-29 14:30:25

I agree with your post 110%, mrmonkey. I would just like to add that the Bee Gees vibe that 2004 Desmond was giving off was incredibly distracting.

 
Comment by Prometheus
2008-02-29 17:05:11

Of course, you have to ask the question, If she was waiting for his call on Xmas eve, what took her so long to answer the phone? Was she upstairs with a “friend” or basting her turkey? I mean, she’s expecting this call, sort of, for eight years, and it rang so many times, he might have just hung up. Maybe she was in the toilet, but don’t they have cordless phones in Britain??? Of course, on this site, we know the true answer to the question, which is that those goofball twins who wrote the episode, just had her let it ring and ring and ring to prolong the dramatic effect, story logic be damned. And so it goes. But it was fun to watch — mostly. Why? Because, miraculously enough, something was actually happening all the time, rather than those endless conversations about nothing and lingering camera shots that eat up time until our next commercial break. Though, it wouldn’t be Lost if we didn’t have Jack and his beach gang refusing to ask pertinent questions of geek boy while he’s dialing the future and talking to the mystery ship. As in, “What the fuck are you talking about???”

Comment by HateTheTViHateThePresideint
2008-03-02 07:33:50

“…And so it goes.”

Very clever, young man.

 
 
 
Comment by Joe
2008-02-29 13:51:11

Des to the future part 2! He should’ve just contacted Doc Brown and his flux capacitor DeLorean to have helped him out.

I think the best part was the going back/forth in sequence (ie Des falling over, in present, Des falling a flight of stairs in the past). My personal fav tho was the exchange b/w him and Penny tho, awww

Comment by raptusregaliter
2008-02-29 14:13:58

Judging by their pattern so far, I think the writers will go another way. In next week’s episode, SkyNet becomes self-aware and Des sends back a Terminator to straighten things out.

Comment by mrmonkey
2008-02-29 21:11:02

“Back to the Terminator Future”

Then it turns out the terminator has daddy issues and wants to stay on the island. Meanwhile they turn the VW bus into a makeshift delorean and kate goes to the future to ask people if they know who she is.

 
 
 
Comment by RobbyLove
2008-02-29 14:44:06

Oh yeah. Forgot to mention one more thing:

YAY! Three brand new characters! (The doc and the deck hands on the ship)

More more more! Let’s go completely Tolstoy and introduce so many damned characters that we have to start re-using names!

What’s the line on a new character being introduced next week? What’s the over-under on the number of new characters being introduced?

Still a good episode but, geez louise!

Comment by missingpawtucket
2008-03-03 21:27:35

I was thinking the same thing about the new characters. I also was too preoccupied with what I had seen George in before to concentrate… of course I realized it was Friends later. I did think the Boston accented deckhand was hot and Desmond in fatigues was not so bad either.

 
 
Comment by JT
2008-02-29 14:52:29

Couple things — the references to Slaughterhouse-Five were almost certainly homages. Calling it a rip-off is reaching, guys. Sorry.

Obviously, because I am me, I loved the episode. Yes, it was fantastic television, it was well-acted, tightly shot and carefully plotted. I’m pleased — and completely unsurprised — to see some of the regulars here saying that they enjoyed the ep. I’m glad you guys did. And Stick, I sort of agree with you about the Black Rock auction plot thread, but there is a distinct possibility that this will all tie together at some point.

What stuns me is how fucking PISSED some people are that the episode is being so significantly praised. I’m seeing the term “fanboy” bandied around like crazy upthread. Some dude upthread actually appears to have gotten so mad by the posts of one alleged “fanboy” that he may have literally shit his pants. What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Do you loathe people who enjoy the show that much that you’re seething and foaming at the mouth as you furiously type insults into a comment thread on this site, calling them douchebag cocksucker motherfucker fuckwad fanboys? Are you that much more intellectually advanced than these “fanboys?”

Christ, I get it — you hate them because they take their appreciation of the show to extremes. No shit. But don’t you realize that when you smugly sit around and lob condescending insults at people who defend this week’s (admittedly good) episode, that you’re just taking things to the OTHER extreme? That makes you just as fucking bad. And don’t get me wrong — there are some people on this site, and they know who they are, who post some wonderfully insightful criticisms of the show. The others are more like bitter, elitist fuckheads.

And shit, you can rearrange the letters in the words “Damon” and “Cuse” to form scary words all you want (it’s a dumb fucking joke, guys), but the truth of the matter is those two guys have written some of the best episodes in the series.

I await your flames, motherfuckers. Bring it on. Let’s go.

Comment by TheLostSkeptic
2008-02-29 15:09:05

calling it an homage is lazy…and disingenuous. (not on your part, on thiers…if that’s what they contend)

now, deep breaths, JT…deep breaths…

Comment by JT
2008-02-29 15:18:51

I’m not really that pissed, bro. Just annoyed. I hate it when shit just degrades into inane fanboy-versus-hater arguments. I’ve seen it on other boards and I really hope it doesn’t happen here. It’s utterly juvenile. What the hell happened to posting your thoughts on something without resorting to name-calling?

Obviously, you and several others here don’t apply to this scenario, but I think you catch my drift. I come here for discussion, not for junior-high-school antics.

 
Comment by TheLostSkeptic
2008-02-29 15:27:37

I hear ya…lately this board has devolved.

too many random posers. I think most of the ‘fanboys’ are either the SAME fanboy under different names, or one of the regulars acting like a tool for fun and baiting responses in typical troll fashion.

 
 
Comment by Jake
2008-02-29 17:25:33

I agree with you, namecalling shouldn’t have a place here, but since I called mr. LOSTnLOST, i’ll give you my reasoning behind it. This fool comes here after ever episode, and regardless of how good or bad the episode is, he leaves one 2 line post, something like “hands down best show on tv, no other show touches it”. So when this douchebag comes on and gets on Tylers tits, it pisses me off and the insults just come out on their own. So there you have it

Comment by LOSTnLOST
2008-02-29 17:34:21

I post here after every episode?
Ive posted here twice I think.
And is there a problem with me liking the episode “Eggtown”?
And LOST IS the best show on TV, I watch Prison Break and Heroes and all them types of shows, and LOST is just so much better, in so many catergories

Comment by JT
2008-02-29 17:38:34

There’s no issue with you liking Eggtown, of course. I mean, I’m this site’s resident person-who-still-likes-the-show, and I personally thought Eggtown was one of the worst episodes of the show to date (mostly because Kate is one of the worst characters *on* the show, and it focused on her). But to each his own.

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Comment by LOSTnLOST
2008-02-29 17:53:03

I dont mind Kate, shes fit

 
Comment by LOSTnLOST
2008-02-29 17:53:42

and I had quite a few laugh out loud moments. It was just entertaining

 
 
 
 
Comment by raptusregaliter
2008-02-29 19:04:59

Anybody who comes to a blog called “Why Lost Sucks” and has a meltdown over the fact that pro-Lost comments are routinely ridiculed should read the URL again. And again. And again.

And where upthread does anybody call anyone a cocksucker motherfucker fuckwad fanboy?

If there’s anyone who’s “seething and foaming at the mouth as you furiously type insults” it’s you my friend. Just look at your post—it actually concludes with “I await your flames, motherfuckers. Bring it on. Let’s go. ”

Listen, if you want to be a masochist and come to this site—that’s cool. But don’t then turn around and say “Hey, you guys are being too mean! Knock it off! You’re hurting my feelings!” That just makes you sound whiny and pathetic.

Comment by JT
2008-02-29 22:19:28

Great. Who the fuck is this guy, now? Did you get offended because I made fun of your Demon and Curse thing? Sorry. I seem to have this weird habit of making fun of things that are really stupid. I hope I didn’t offend you. Do you throw darts at pictures of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse too?

The way I concluded my blog post — with the entire bring on the flames thing — is a way I’ve ended several of my posts here. Many of the regulars here already knew that, and most of them already know me. You didn’t, though, which is why the only person leaping to support you is some dude who posts as “Mr. Monkey.”

And honestly, dude, the rest of your reply to my post was a little retarded, and I don’t really have the time to walk you through what I wrote and explain what each little sentence means. It goes without saying that you either intentionally misconstrued what I wrote or didn’t understand it. Either way, I certainly hope it doesn’t sound too whiny and pathetic when I tell you to go find a really, really big truck and step in front of it.

Comment by mrmonkey
2008-02-29 22:50:19

repeat after me:

Why Lost Sucks
Why Lost Sucks
Why Lost Sucks

seriously there are plenty of sites, forums blogs etc where you can discuss your love for the show. Others and myself come here as a haven to mock this ridiculous show since you can’t do it on any place related to Lost. So if I feel the need to bash the show, and it’s rabid fans, I sure don’t have to justify it to you or any other trolls. If that offends you then just take a deep breath, and remember which site you’re on.

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Comment by raptusregaliter
2008-03-02 13:19:24

“And honestly, dude, the rest of your reply to my post was a little retarded, and I don’t really have the time to walk you through what I wrote and explain what each little sentence means.”

This is what people say when they know their argument has no merit. So please explain to me, in simple words that I can understand, why posters on a blog called Why Lost Sucks should have to tiptoe around a superfan with a short fuse who can’t stand for others to make fun of his favorite show?

You know what you are JT? You’re the Jehova’s Witness who wants to go door-to-door on Super Bowl Sunday. Does the Jehova’s Witness want to come in, sit down, and enjoy the game? No, the Jehova’s Witness wants everybody to stop what they’re doing and listen to him proselytize. Plus, you want us to follow YOUR rules. “Stop using the word fanboy!” “Stop making childish, profane taunts!” “Stop being elitist snobs!”

Who the hell made you boss o’ the board?

And by the way, I didn’t know that there were seniority rules on this blog. Maybe I should just lurk for a few more years before I post anything else. Sorry to have offended the great JT who obviously has more seniority on this blog than I do.

You can now call me a dipshit or a retard or whatever since name-calling seems to be your strong suit.

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Comment by mrmonkey
2008-02-29 21:12:58

JT = fanboy

Comment by Stylish
2008-03-02 07:19:36

JT = Worthless Cunthole

 
 
Comment by Lmeister
2008-02-29 21:35:28

“And don’t get me wrong — there are some people on this site, and they know who they are, who post some wonderfully insightful criticisms of the show.”

Thanks!! :)

Mrs. Meister

 
Comment by HateTheTViHateThePresideint
2008-03-02 07:48:12

Pretty well said, i’d say. I was under the impression that all the people saying lost sucks now (myself included) have their fingers crossed that it will turn around and see at least some of it’s initial potential. I don’t rightly understand why one would hang around this blog/forum without that stance.

Truth be told, it’s not too late. With some more tight and relevant episodes they can actually pick this thing back up, though i’m not holding my breath.

 
Comment by missingpawtucket
2008-03-03 21:24:47

has any one seen my violin?

Comment by missingpawtucket
2008-03-03 21:30:04

violin comment was meant for JT of course. :-)
HatetheTV- I agree with you. I hope they turn it around… and please give us some answers…

 
 
 
Comment by iluvdawsonscreek
2008-02-29 14:54:46

the episode was good. I wanted to see what happened to bruce lee with the grenade in his mouth this episode though. It would be great if they just left him like that and then answered what happened to him next season or the season after that or the season after that.

 
Comment by Tyler
2008-02-29 15:42:10

I love how I’m accused of not posting because the episode was good. I have no problem saying it’s good if it’s good. That being said, I just watched the episode. It was OK - just OK. I wouldn’t even consider it the best show of season 4 though. I just feel like I had seen it before so many times. Call it an homage, a rip off, or whatever, but the plot has been played out in so many books, movies, and tv shows. I agree with the other post as well about new characters. That’s the last thing we need with 100s already.

The writers seem to be getting lazy with their plot devices, like the urgent phone call setup. Whenever anyone has access to a phone, there is an urgent situation put in place to add drama. Like when Des gets on the phone with Faraday the alarm goes off and the boat people are breaking down the door. Then when Des can talk to Penny, the battery is only good for a minute. You can probably find 10 more examples of this in previous episodes, but this was just twice in same episode. It’s getting tiring to me, and just amounts to lame writing.

Comment by JT
2008-02-29 15:48:50

Hope you feel better, bro. I disagree with everything you’re saying, but I’ll let it slide because you’re not feeling so hot. Hope the Nyquil kicks in.

Comment by Tyler
2008-02-29 17:42:01

Thanks man. You gotta admit though the urgent phone call scenario is a bit played out. Penny and Charlie, theres another one.

 
Comment by Stylish
2008-03-02 07:18:35

JT = Useless cunthole

Comment by JT
2008-03-02 09:47:05

Aw. That’s cute. Thanks! Did one of my posts above make you cry?

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Comment by Bill Mills
2008-02-29 16:28:04

My main feeling was one of relief. Desmond is probably the character I like the most on the show and I was afraid they were going to make him nuts or screw him up some other way. Time travel stories generally just give me a big headache. He did that in the past because someone from the future said to, but how could the guy from the future have done it if the guy from the past hadn’t already done it unless….. and I’m off to look for the Advil. Too bad, because it’s pretty obvious that time twisting in on itself or whatever the au courant term is will be playing a big part in whatever explanation they finally choose to give us. But anyway - just happy Des was okay and Penny loves him, and I won’t even give a “yeah right” about hte power working just long enough for a little of the call.

 
Comment by LOSTnLOST
2008-02-29 16:55:57

Tyler your just nitpicking.
You do realise your doing that dont you?

Comment by Tyler
2008-02-29 17:40:37

Yes, thats what we do around here.

Comment by Eric
2008-02-29 22:17:36

Well, at least you admit it :)

 
 
 
Comment by Zitch
2008-02-29 17:57:38

I think Desmond’s whole time-travel/consciousness-jumping thing is very inconsistent, and each new facet they introduce sort of conflicts with the earlier episodes that have addressed it. Overall, it’s just too confusing for the TV format. I’m sure it works well when Vonnegut puts it on the page in “Slaughterhouse Five” - which I have not read - but on Lost it just adds to the clutter that the show has become. I hope they can pull it off with some clarity.

Something a fanboy suggested on another site leads me to believe the whole show is a pacific island version of The Dark Tower… which I think is lame, because that series took a nosedive after book 3. The helicopter follows coordinates just like the gunslinger had to follow the “beam”… different versions of time, dimensions… unfortunately, a lot of similarities are popping up.

 
Comment by Bob
2008-02-29 19:15:40

All in all I would have to say this is the best episode of the current season. Certainly a step up from last weeks episode. The only real gripe I can come up with for this episode is that it doesn’t explain why Penny waits for the call. The scene between them ends with her kicking him out thinking he might be crazy. Now eight years later she waiting for his call, perhaps in the future they might just decide to show us what changed her mind. After all she clearly stated she wanted him out of her life and her father stated she hated him so what changed in eight years to make her wait for his call and profess her love for him?

Comment by LOSTnLOST
2008-02-29 19:46:02

Because Desmond is the love of her life

 
Comment by Eric
2008-02-29 22:20:10

They end up getting back together after 1996.

 
 
Comment by SPQR Blues
2008-02-29 19:42:14

I have the flu too. I think I caught it from passing through the same time coordinates as a broadcast of an episode of LOST.

Earlier, before this post went up, I tried to read another message board about loose ends and saw inexplicable things like “why the Hanso family sold the diary to Widmore.” Was I supposed to understand that, or am I delirious? No, wait, please don’t explain it. Don’t. It helped me remember why I promised myself this would be the only place I peek in for my weekly hour of LOST-related entertainment.

Carry on, commentators. I’m looking forward to reading the posts through a medicated haze.

 
Comment by dfgd
2008-02-29 21:46:06

whast wrong with you people? after reading 5 comments on this site, it reminds me of the kkk, only lost haters, not black ppl haters. the show is awesome

Comment by SPQR Blues
2008-03-01 09:45:54

Disliking a creative work and commenting on it in a rational, if barbed way, is exactly like violent and murderous racism. When a critic famously reviewed a Broadway production of Antony and Cleopatra decades ago by writing a single line: “”Tallulah Bankhead barged down the Nile last night as Cleopatra…and sank,” it was precisely the same as deadly terrorism. That’s why I go to the TWOP forums and the Fuselage and post things like, “What’s wrong with you people, the show sucks.” Oh, wait.

Yeah, I know I’m not supposed to feed them, but they always look so forlorn and starved. Don’t you want to give them a cookie?

Comment by JT
2008-03-01 11:58:15

Dude, you are so unbelievably better than everyone.

Comment by SPQR Blues
2008-03-01 12:48:21

I read that as “so unbelievably more bitter than everyone”–and am now worried about what that says about me, because I didn’t mind it at all ;)

Eh, I’ll blame the scrambling on the fever. Edging up around 102F! Will I win a prize if my flu sucks worse than Tyler’s? If it reaches 104F, I totally promise to come back and write an essay on “The things I do like about Lost, and Sayid’s manly arms.”

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Comment by Lmeister
2008-02-29 21:52:51

I thought the epi was good. Not perfect, but good.

Did anyone notice that the alarm on the boat is the same alarm from the hatch. You know, when they wouldn’t enter the numbers in time. That sound is so annoying. But, I guess that is the point of alarms.

One thing that didn’t make sense to me was that Daniel (1994) asked Des if Daniel (2004) would remember Des from 1994 and Des told him no. But somehow, Penny would remember that Des is going to call her on Christmas Eve or remember to keep the same phone number. What is Penny to think of all the time between their 1994 encounter and the present? Didn’t they have contact in the last 10 years? Am I forgetting or missing something?

Other than that, I thought the worst part of the show was when Sayid and Des get to the boat and Des freaks out. The men are going to take Des down to see the doc and Sayid looks over at the helicopter dude for confirmation that it is safe to let Des go. Like who is the helicopter dude to Sayid. Why would he look to him? I thought that was so stupid, and also that Sayid gave him his gun.

But overall, not a bad epi. I still think they need like at least 5 more like this just to make up for last week.

Mrs. Meister

Comment by JT
2008-02-29 23:43:59

Glad you (semi) dug it. What did Mr. Meister think?

Comment by Lmeister
2008-03-01 10:13:47

Well, since you asked…

I am writing this post without reading the others comments, though the Mrs informed me that there is a general consensus that this latest installment was in the “okay” range.

I unfortunately did not really feel that way. I am not fully sure why I did not like this episode, and I feel that I will need more time to decide upon its ultimate level of suckiness, however, I will try to put it into words:

I loved the island, I loved the mystery and intrigue as so many of you do too. I wanted more than anything to understand the island, like Locke supposedly does. This episode was 99% off-island, and I HATED that. I don’t give a crap about the freighter, the half-dozen new characters (1 already dead, what a surprise) or more retarded flash black-forward-sideways mind trips. I REALLY fear that the ultimate nonsense ending of this show will be some sort of ridiculous time-warp Star Trek wormhole bullcrap. If this entire show is explained away in some ridiculous sci-fi mumbo-jumbo, I may hunt down JJ myself.

In a word, I am worried. Worried that the show will really devolve even further than I thought possible. I will withhold final judgment as the new epis unfold, but this does not move in the direction that is good for me

Comment by Joe Kellogg
2008-03-01 18:58:33

You do realize that it is all just pretend don’t you? Those are just actors PRETENDING to be stuck on an island…..

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Comment by Lmeister
2008-03-01 23:35:03

You do realize your an ass, don’t you? You are not just PRETENDING to be one, you are….

 
Comment by Joe Kellogg
2008-03-02 07:37:15

You certainly seem to be an ass expert….

 
 
 
 
Comment by Lmeister
2008-03-01 10:19:39

my bad, 1996.

Mrs. Meister

 
Comment by missingpawtucket
2008-03-03 21:37:23

Mrs Meister… didn’t Penny meet up with Desmond at the stadium right before he went on the boat race around the world? When he was training and ran into Jack, brother?

 
 
Comment by Joe Kellogg
2008-02-29 23:33:28

Watch upcoming episodes for an “Intergalactic Court” and a poodle……….

 
Comment by Semi Anonymous
2008-03-01 04:07:41

Wow…… This is was great episode. If more episodes are like this, this may be the last time I read this blog.

Comment by Lmeister
2008-03-01 12:19:06

Good

 
 
Comment by Joe Kellogg
2008-03-01 10:33:57

Faraday invented a TIME MACHINE. Someone from the present will have been aboard “The Black Rock.” There will be a reference to it in the auctioned journal. (Probably Desmond and the Poodle.) The Machine didnt send the rats (Elouise) body to the future just some spritual portion of it. This would explain the invisible beings and voices. Ben (Halliburton/Bush) have stolen Faradays machine and are flying around in time running amuck. Hurleys magical numbers will turn out to be coordinates, time machine settings and actuall lotery numbers that were rigged in the future and played in the past.

Comment by Pol
2008-03-01 11:26:59

Now THAT’s science !!

 
Comment by Lmeister
2008-03-01 12:20:59

Perhaps you are hearing the voices that make you write this idiotic nonsense. “Halliburton”! What a dumbass.