For the love of God – Release the gas!
What do you do when your a writer and have no idea how to resolve the giant mess you have made of a show. Easy, you fall back to your original crappy playbook. You introduce more characters that add nothing to the plot, you send people on another jungle trek. You start another pathetic love triangle. Classic stuff. So what really happened in this episode? We find out Juliet is the island whore. Ok, who cares. Watching Ben prance around in the kitchen like and episode of queer eye for the straight guy was about as painful as it can get. Seriously, can it get any worse? I kept yelling at the TV “release the gas, release the gas!” Please, put this island out of its misery. Folks, we have our new “ping pong episode” for this season. The tide has rolled out and a new lower water mark has been set. The only mystery left is, how will anyone possible be able to defend this heaping pile of a show any more? I actually feel physically violated by how bad that episode sucked.
On the suck-o-meter this one is a staggering 9.9!
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something has to be mentally wrong with a persons brain to make a website about a show they claim to hate and keep updating it. i cant even imagine making a site about a show i hate, and watch it religiously, and criticize it to death. this site has to be some kind of joke. you can defend yourself by saying “oh but i liked season 1!!” but season one answered nothing, only presented info. now they are starting to answer things, and you hate it.
It’s a misconception to say that the people on this site “hate” Lost. I’m pretty sure we all love the show very deeply, like a parent loves a child… but then a divorce happens and the ex takes the kids, moves to another state, lets the kids get into drugs, watch bad TV, and post on internet all day…….. and to top it off tears up every letter you send so you have no way of getting through to your kids to help save them. Hard feelings get in the way and we start badmouthing the ex’s parenting methods. The bitch.
It’s like that.
what’s wrong with bad tv and internet postin’?! heh
Well put.
Criticism is an intellectual endeavor, it makes perfect sense to have an ‘i hate Lost’ site thats get updated with reviews of new shows.
Plus, the downfall of Lost is probably the most epic in the history of television and speaks volumes about the possibility, or lack thereof, of producing great art through the medium of television, specifically american television, as well as a number of other deep and interesting topics.
Though, if you still ‘like’ Lost I can see how this might’ve eluded you.
That’s what originally interested me to this site, an irony in itself. Indeed, what else could American network television be other than mediocre? Lost is merely fulfilling its destiny.
Read the FAQ, fanboy moron.
>>Read the FAQ, fanboy moron.
Sorry, some issue with my previous entry.
I second the motion (”Read the FAQ, fanboy moron”). The original posters question is the first question in the FAQ!
This show is mediocre. Always has been. Always will be. Also, I enjoy young boys.
Hey Johnny…you got it right. Read my other comment on the last show. What kind of mentally derranged person goes on with a website like this??? Week after week. Month after month? YEAR AFTER YEAR?????????????
Yes…he’s a plant for the SHOW!!!! Got to be.
Stop watching now. Kill your TV. All of you. NOW!
wow i don’t know what was more dreadfully boring – tonight’s snoozefest or the Kate “do they know about me” episode. An episode about Juliet did nothing for me as I find her character so dull and petty. Every time her flashbacks came on I just had to flip away, especially since it was obvious they were going to make it into some sort of petty love/obsession story. Oh and now there’s gas on the island a few more people we have to keep an eye out for.
The last 5-10 minutes look like they were written by sixth graders.
“they’re on our side”
“but they knocked me out!”
“come with me, i will show you”
“ok…”
“they’re coming to kill ben”
“i don’t care, let’s make out”
*nauseating make out scene*
of course a token playful scene between jabba and the trucker guy. Ben walking away to his quarters like Locke just gave him a special “present”. And the overuse of suspense was in play again tonight. The worst was when Ben promised to tell Locke who his man on the boat was, and guess what, they cut away to commercial. Just great.
How many “bargaining chips” can Ben possibly have? Does he have a secret sex tape of Locke that he will later use to get him on his side the next time? I found one of his quotes to be quite interesting since it sums up the show very nicely : “I’m sorry I didn’t tell you this earlier” .
Awesomely said, Monkey. I love that last line. Sad and true….
So…why did Charlotte knock Kate out? “I had to” just does not cover it at all. She’s doing something that’s in all their interests.
Also crap is her getting the drop on both Kate and Juliet from their acting like idiots. Juliet simply left her back unguarded, but Kate is a lot worse. First she forgoes an oppurtunity to just go along with things and see what happens after seeing the working phone in Dan’s pocket, then she turns her back on someone she knows is lying to her.
Finally, they’d better not try to trot out any more hints that Ben is actually one of the good guys after showing his stalker “You’re mine” side.
Well put Ryan. The Kate of this season is nothing like Kate in Season 1. Back then she was a bad ass who would be way smarter than to allow this chick to knock her out. And it is a huge island and yet she just happens to run into the two people heading to the power station? Piss poor writing. We liked the Kick-ass Kate.
Even people who are bad to the bone make mistakes here and there.
I loved the preview for next week, “A face you never thought you would see again”! Yeah, except you’ve only had his name in the credits for the LAST SIX EPISODES. Assholes.
So Michael is the spy.
He agreed to be the spy because BLAH BLAH BLAH.
The better question is WHAT GOOD IS A SPY ON THE BOAT?
Ben knows they are coming, since he’s got patchy’s super satellite station, Poltergeist Jacob, The Magic Box that made Locke’s Dad appear, and the Dharma sharks.
Plus, he already knows they are ‘bad’, in the sense of ‘really bad, not bad bad like ben is bad’.
And worse comes to worst, he’s got a ton of poison gas, and army of others, the children, some super sonic device to kill of smoke monster when he forgets he can fly, and well smokey himself.
What can Michael the spy teach him?
Who knows, except that we’re sure we’re NOT going to find out next week.
I will accept the ridiculousness of Michael working as a spy for people who STOLE HIS CHILD if the writers will only try to add that “plot” thing back into the show.
Actually, there was no “Magic Box.” Ben’s operatives travelled to the United States to kidnap Locke’s dad.
Oh thank God you cleared that one up. Now all we have to know is 1. why did people survive the plane crash 2. why locke can walk 3. why are their ghosts on the island 4. what is smokey 5. what is Jacob 6. what the hell was the hatch 7. why did the hatch have a failsafe key in the first place if you can just turn it and stop pushing the button 8. why were the others stealing children 9. why cant people have children on the island 10. who the fuck are the others 11. why the fuck do they want the island 12. what is with Desmond and the time travel 13. why does Jacob need help 14. what is so special about Aaron, or Walt, or whoever else they have said was special –
should I really go on with the more obvious questions like why do people survive after being shot and why do they keep introducing new characters and giving them backstories that have no bearing on the overall plot??
Keep watching and maybe some of those questions will be answered.
It wouldn’t be much of a show if you knew the answers to all of those questions, would it?
Ever heard of mystery, plot, or suspense?
No, they will just add more questions. Haven’t you figured out the formula yet? They don’t answer questions, they just add more of them.
“Keep watching and maybe some of those questions will be answered.”
Somehow, I think that this phrase will still be uttered, even after the show is officially over……
I thought it was Michael, but I did not see that his name was in the credits. That is monumentally stupid.
Withhold your judgment until you have seen the episode where they re-introduce Michael and show what he has been up to since we last saw him.
Spoken like a writer.
Man you guys are pathetic… can’t handle the criticism of your work, (and the fact that none of you should ever be allowed to write again), so you need to come ruin a perfectly good community site.
Maybe you should try another career path if you can’t deal with critics…
So I’m typing this as I’m watching the episode because I’m 10 minutes into and I can’t handle it anymore.
9th new character of the season: Shrink Botox 2
And a tempest?
Gas?
Shrink Botox’s husband? Did we see him previously? Who can keep track anymore?
Botox 1 says bla bla bla… anyone remember how good the first 3 episodes of seaons 1 were?
Kate spots some greeny phone thing in someone’s pack that’s supposed to be in the chopper?
Oooh. Tense music! Something’s gonna happen…
I be they try to knowck kate out but she!!!!
YES!!!
They knocked her out… I thought she was gonna pull out a gun but I was wrong. They knocked her out as I was typing…
Ok Jack and botox 1 and a file and the therapist again…
EGG SALAD ON RYE! Two weeks ago we spend 2 minutes watching locke bring eggs to Ben. New sponsoring techinique? Secret egg terrorists?
Anything would make for better entertainment at this point.
Ok! Juliet will admit she is sleeping with therapstis husban?
Here goes; “I know, I followed you…”
And…
And..
YES!!!
“Im sorry!”
Botox 1 slept with Goodwin!! If I were still a fan this is where I’d cream my pants.
I blacked out.
Something about someones’ boat annd dead charlie.
Locke brings more eggs, nope, rabbit.
Something about numbers… OH WAIT WAIT! THey number the animals with those ‘numbers’.
So anyways…my own flashvack to 5 minutes ago:
Somehow botox 2, who wasn’t aways on the other’s other island with the second half of the others, (I guess she swam across since locke blew up the sub?) anyways… she somehow gets to Ben who is locked up right…
And he somehow knows where to find the archeologist and the scientist.
And the botox 2 can track Juliet in the haunted jungle under the rain.
Not too shabby.
….
Fast forward to Ben has a crush on Juliet.
WHAT
THE HELL
IS WRONG WITH THIS SHOW?
Hey the plane boss! The plane blows up.
Goodwin! MAKE A LIST!
GO!
Oooh. They added botox 2 to the flashback! Like she was always there!
Comeon SMOKEY!
Come on!
NOPE
WHIING
Kate?
is it?
YES!
Yes go get her some water.
Oh so they are gonna gas people?
JULIET!!
But she didn’t say “I’ll be right back”.
However she’s not a virgin since she banged goodwin… so it’s 50/50 whether she dies or not.
Smokey and ghostface same person? Anything can happen on Lost!
(or wait, is it Anything can happen in the WWF?)
36-15-28! Surprise surpsires!!
A Tape!
Beta?
That woulda been nice.
Come on dharma!
And…
and..
nope!
Looks like…a drug deal?
New character?
Yes!
Charles Bogus Boatman.
And ….
Blindfold spy?
WOOT!
Virgin Mary!
This is religious after all.
7 people would come here?
no wait, more like 15 so far right?
Charles witmoore just done something bad.
One more thing he needs to know?
JUST ONE!
Guess he don’t read IGN’s list of top 50 reasons why we wanna kill JJ.
Who’s the man on the boat?
Lando?
Cheech?
Will we find out tonight or in 5 weeks?
Here’s that fugitive story again.
WE KNOW HOW IT ENDS ALREADY SO WHO CARES?
JAcob does!
Is that his cabin?
Or wait…
Another character?
12th char of the season?
…..
FLASHBACK? Now? Who knew….
More food.
Action.Adventure.Mystery? FUCK THAT CRAP! Food and love triangles sells more records.
Someone is undercover.
Anna Lucia? They keep mentioning her this season?
Is she coming back to life?
In episode 8?
Is that the big twist?
All the deadies come back to life?
A Hatch?
The only other hatch I wanna see on this show is Richard Hatch.
I CANT DO THAT.
GAS EM!
DO IT!
DO IT!!!!!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT!
So he came akl the way here to make gas inert while his homicidal friend kills the survivors. MAKES SENSE TO ME.
BLOW IT!
COME ON!
BLOWWWWWWWWW!!!!
Nope here comes the gun.
freezes at 8 seconcds?
BEN?
Yes ben wants to kill em all… heard that before
No go.
Countdown of nothing.
WHAT JUST HAPPENED?
I dunno.
So here’s what I understand so far:
Ben wants to fix his tumor so he kidnaps everyone on the island and makes the kids go through some tests. But he’s missing there leader, Walt.
So he kidnaps him too, but doens’t understand him
50 days later he kidnaps Jack to fix the tumor.
But. ITS NOT A TUMOR.
Then All hell breaks loose cuz Ana Lucia kills Goodwin.
This show blows.
Yes, ben knew ana lucia would kill goodwin.
He can also see the future, like Desmond.
So Ben gets Goodwin killed with magic, but his magic is not strong enough to make botox love him.
Hmmm Ben is the devil and only wants to get worshiped?
Or is Ben god?
…
Chick fight!
Kate hits her… come on! do it!
As soon as archeo turns around….
And..
And….
And……
Nope Kiss time.
Wage war agasint ben.
So thats it.
Ben is either god or the devil, and the survivors are stuck there…
YES!
A bit delayed, but the predicatble kiss came around.
Ok so 1 minute left…
and horseshoes of course..
What will the big twist be?
Explosion?
Magic hoorseshow?
Sawter drios dead>
Hurley looks intrigued?
BEN IS FREE!
Locke will have a blank look on his face?
or locke dead?
… same bat channel…
my point again….. why would you type a whole synopsis of a show you hate? its always interesting to see what u guys come up with, why each episode “sucks”. what do you guys call good tv? spongebob? aftr 100 episodes they still never told what the krabby patty secret formula is. i think they are making it up as they are going along. they dont even know what the formula is.
Probably for a better than a fanboy claiming to be a fan typing LSOT SUCKS in google and finding this site.
Get your ass out of your head, and go cream over your brilliant show instead of coming here where the big bads say big bad mean things.
Or wait… my bad… you come here cuz you can’t get attention anywhere else right?
Well now you got some?
Glad to help you get some sleep.
You know what?
Maybe you have a point after all.
WHY THE HELL DO WE STILL WATCH THIS CRAP?
HELP US JOHNNY!
The funniest thing is that you were the first to post. Seems pretty obvious you knew how crappy the episode was and, like a true fanboy, rushed over here to call out the heathens. You rock, brutha. You ROCK!
Wow! So now you are comparing Lost to a child’s TV show? I couldn’t agree more. So, are you about 10-12 years old (at least intellectually)? That would explain your banter…
Dude, you seem to know an awful lot about Spongebob Squarepants. That either makes you 1) 8 years old or 2) really pathetic
in all honesty, it could make him
3. a parent
Mrs. Meister
Spongebob Squarepants hasn’t built itself up around the mystery of what is in the crabby patties.
But I can think of a few mysteries in Lost that haven’t been answered— like all of them.
READ THE FAQ DUMBASS!!!!!!! FIRST QUESTION U CANT MISS IT!
Uh, Kwaxiko, spoiler alert next time, plxkthx.
;P
Sure thing!
Though I honestly thought “I’m typing this as I’m watching the show” was warning enough
haha. the stereotypical hostile internet nerds. why are they always so mean? its the same in every forum. i remeber why i stopped going to forums, im not sure what made me come back here again. jeez. honestly, this show is the only thing that can make me happy. and i found this site because i was really deepy in love with lost, as funny as it sounds. i wondered if it was possible for someone to hate lost, so ityped in lostsucks ingoogle and found this. the reasons are a joke. shaky camera? pushing the button? have fun watching lost for the reamining 3 seasons. i guess im one of the lucky ones that can watch lost and get spiritually reenergized.
Good one johnny. You really showed us.
*this show is the only thing that can make me happy*
yikes
Yeah no kidding. Even drug addiction has more fulfillment than Lost.
“honestly, this show is the only thing that can make me happy.”
What a pointless life you must have if an hour long pile of crap is the only thing that makes you happy
“i wondered if it was possible for someone to hate lost”
thanks for the laugh!
You showed us… im glad u took a bit of time out of your busy schedule to “teach us a lesson” and enlighten us. really, thanks… thank you so much…douche..
Your statement is erroneous, Johnny. You’re coming from the standpoint that this is a fansite and we’re raining on your parade. Go immediately to your local library and find a textbook on logic and reasoning so you can learn how to pick your battles and then present them in an organized fashion. Yes the Internet is a free forum, but why reveal your psychological shortcomings to the world by coming to a site that obviously holds no charm for you and being combative? Nobody invited you to this party, so why don’t you run home to the official Lost fansite. I’m sure they miss you.
Quite possibly the worst episode in the history of television. Definitely establishes a new low for the series. At least the ping pong episode was funny in a ludicrous sort of way. This episode was so formulaic you could actually see the chemical symbols hovering like a ghost in the corner of the screen.
Vile, putrid, rancid, stank. Chunks have never been blown this far. Cookies have never been tossed so violently. We are all…ALL of us…dumber for having seen this episode. I award the writers 10 points on the LOST suck-o-meter, and may God have mercy on their souls.
This was good television. The blind twists made it interesting. First, you don’t know if Juliet’s flashback is actually a flashforward. Is she one of the Oceanic 6? She says she’s a celebrity. No, it’s a flashback to when she first got on the island. OK, that was a mini-cliffhanger with instant gratification that kept the viewers on the edge of their seats. A+ television writing. Viewers are hooked.
Charlotte and Faraday escape the beach. The show moves along quickly with another mystery. Why did they leave? The show has a “MacGuffin” that will drive the episode. Masterful. Jack organizes a search party. We have momentum.
In Juliet’s flashbacks we see how see becomes involved with Goodwin and how Ben sent Goodwin off in hopes that Goodwin dies. This brilliantly intertwines plot points we have already scence. This takes staggering writing skill to bring everything all together like this. Plus we learn new information that drives the plot forward: Ben has a crush on Juliet and he’s sinister about it. This adds more thread to the tapestry of Ben’s character, and it gives previous interactions between him and Juliet in past episodes a richness that makes the whole LOST narrative even more compelling than before. Remember how Ben treated Juliet when she was questioning Jack in Season 3? The LOST writers seem to have a master-plan, or they are masters at weaving new threads into previous plots as the show matures, or both.
This show has a MAJOR payoff in the form of telling us who commissioned the tanker.
I don’t know what else you could expect from fictional television.
I think Condor is far more clever than we’ve given him (her) credit for. Indeed, I now believe that Condor is writing at the very ethereal heights of facetiousness. Look at that line, “This take staggering writing skill to bring everything all together like this.” Tyler couldn’t put that any better in a haze of NyQuil-induced sarcasm. I think Condor is a master at “weaving new threads” into the ongoing conversation about this hideous wreck of a show that might’ve been great in the hands of actually talented people. So, there, I’ve said it. Condor, welcome to the group! You do see the light, after all!
I have to agree a bit…
Nico – you were doing so well with this ruse but that post was a little heavy handed. Up until now we have actually believed you were a moronic devotee but you are showing yourself too much in your alter ego…
or maybe that was the point…hmmmmm
Stop deluding yourself. I don’t know what you can expect more from television. LOST is entertaining, pure and simple. We’re not looking for realism, here. We’re looking for a fantastic adventure, and LOST delivers that.
Great moments:
Moment 1. “it’s safer for you if I don’t tell you” – I can see the writer’s meeting where this one was thought up:
guy 1: We’re running out of reason’s to have these people trekking through the woods
guy 2: Why don’t we just have one character tell the other that she knows why they are trekking through the jungle but that she pinky swore not to tell
guy 1: Great idea…but hey, even better would be if she couldn’t tell because it’s “DAAAAAANGEROUS”
guy 2: Dude, that’s money
Moment 2: Oh, rabbit for dinner – “was there a number on that”
OH MY GOD – I just felt my peep start to get hard – they clumsily referenced something from a previous episode to provide the illusion of continuity… brilliant writing
Moment 3: Ben is bad, no he’s good, no he’s bad…now he’s in a love triangle…awaiting the manage a trois episode with jack, ben and juliette – likely the season finale.
Ben is apparently an omniscient, invincible character that “will win” the war with the boat people and then come after Juliet and Jack.
Here’s an idea for next week’s episode – someone kills Ben and we move on with our lives.
*they clumsily referenced something from a previous episode to provide the illusion of continuity… brilliant writing*
they did it several times, and each time it seemed forced. the show isn’t “clever” just b/c they show us the scene of the plane breaking apart in the sky ( for the ??? time), this time adding yet another smidge of nothing – ben glancing at goodwin ominously.
why do we care that ben had a crush on juliet? (we sort of knew already yah? I still don’t care) or that he knew she was bangin’ goodwin? or that he sent goodwin to die…maybe?
goodwin was an insignficant character in season 2 when AnaL killed him…why should I care about him in a flashback when he was a bit part to begin with and I already know he’s dead???
Yeah, the other one I just remembered was Goodwin saying to Juliet (i think while they were on the beach having their romantic interlude):
in reference to something she was surprised that he had:
…”yeah, I found it in the sub”
OMG!!! He talked about the sub…remember the sub? last season they had a sub!!!
The line was recited as if the script said:
Goodwin: …yeah, I found it in (ad lib here remembering to allude to something that has previously happened in the show – die hard fans will think it is pertinent)
With a little more imagination on the actor’s part, that line could have ended up being:
…”yeah, I found it in a pile of the smoke monster’s stool”
Now THAT would have been classic television
ha! what a true LOL moment that could have been.
maybe he’d find pieces of Mr. Eko in the poop!
Yeah, anyone want to tell me why Eko had to die (other than quitting)? Why do people on Lost have a selective memory??
People on Lost have a selective memory because they’re not people; they’re game pieces in some idiotic fantasy of those who’ve created this unfortunate mess.
yeah exactly, they are pawns, but other shows at least try to explain motivation. Lost just does it with vague statements, or better yet, doesn’t explain them at all, people just run through the jungle.
For everyone who gets mad when they “trek” through the jungle: The show takes place on an Island that has a jungle on it. So to get anywhere on the island they can either walk around the shore, or walk through the jungle. So unless you want the people to stay stationary and never leave the beach they will be walking around in the jungle. I dont have a problem with this. For this episode though I agree it did suck and to bring up a point I made earlier: EVERYONE can track people again in this episode, I hate that.
they do have a mini-bus…and given the casts’ inability to find all the operable facilities (despite their trekking), I think it’s only a matter of time until they find the DHARMA refinery in working order. then they’ll have plenty of petrol for driving through the jungle…this also gives jibes with Joe Kellogg’s analogy!!!
wasn’t it great how the rain started to pout the second they started their trek?
Mrs. Meister
The issue is not that they trek through the jungle, the problem is: 1) they spend countless hours showing them doing it, 2) there rarely seems to be a good reason why they are out in the jungle in the first place, 3) when they finally arrive at their destination, nothing ever happens, and 4) there’s polar bears and a smoke monster out there! (ahhh, remember when they used to be scared to roam around out in the jungle.)
Plenty of shows take place in the city but it’s not like they spend a large portion of each episode showing the characters driving from one place to the next. No…they leave their apartment, they arrive at work (or the store, or whatever) AND SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS!!
ah, stickman. so naive…that is exactly what makes LOST so much better than every other TV show: it actually shows you how the characters arrive at their destination.
btw…a little nit here, but…
jack and juliet trekking through the jungle, they pass point A, jack’s confused, says “it should be here” (or something). they double back 15 feet and “OMG, KATE!”. did he see her when he walked right by just a second ago??
Not everyone can track… Juliet knew where the station was, Kate could always track, and Jack just followed along.
Station appeared to be right by the coast. You’d think they would have searched all along the coast in their first few days and found the station. But then, this is Lost.
Actually, Juliet knew where the Tempest was.
What I wanted to do after watching this episode (besides vomit in the sink) was find a DVD of season two to watch the plane crash scene again to see if Mrs. Goodwin was in that scene at the village. Does anyone know? God, I hope she’s not, because if so, that proves those morons are making this up as it goes along. Yet, I assume she is because as stupid as the writers are, they can’t be THAT stupid, can they?
So, forget the children for now. Here are some questions I have after tonight’s fiasco (was that, or was that not, one of the dullest episodes of tv this year?):
First, and I love asking this question, when they’re tramping through the jungle at night in a rain storm, WHERE IS THAT OVERHEAD LIGHT COMING FROM???? God, that’s stupid!
Second, why does Locke make deals with a psychopath who has already shot him in the gut and left him for dead??? Why can’t he at least crack him the jaw? And why did NO ONE think to search that little house (after knowing it had a secret passage) and find the safe??? That’s ridiculous.
Third: Why are the women in this show so dumb??? Kate sweet talks those idiots into opening the goofy dude’s bag, and has no expectation of being thumped in the skull? Come on! And worse, that total sociopath birth lady, knowing there are TWO people in the plant, still confronts goofy dude at the computer without (apparently) ANY expectation of the curly chick jumping her from behind. That is unbelievable, as usual. More to the point, it’s really bad writing — as usual.
Fourth: How come, on such a big island (”we have to walk all night to get there”), people are always running across each other? Come off it! You could send twenty people criss-crossing that island all day long and they might never see each other at all! But, at night, in the rain??? And where did Mrs. G go? Did she become invisible??? No way would they not have see or heard her go. No way!!! I guess she beamed in and beamed out.
Fifth: why was sociopathic birth dame wearing lipstick and eyeshadow? What’s up with that? She looked weird. Of course, that’s probably why all her patients were dying; she was spending too much time in the bathroom getting herself ready for the day. ie, banging Mr. G, a revelation I didn’t need to hear about.
Anyhow, this episode proved to me once again how awful the writers are, how idiotic and shallow and trite their imaginations are. So why do my wife and I watch this show if we hate it so much? Probably because we like the Hawaiian island setting and we’re always hoping something worth seeing might actually happen. I’ll tell you this: I first watched Lost by seeing season one on DVD. After viewing second two on regular TV, we bought the DVDs of that season and I watched them. BUT I did the FF through all the flashbacks and dull stuff which allowed me to watch most episodes in about ten minutes and a disc full of four in about half an hour! So far, I bet I could see all this season’s worth material in maybe ten minutes.
“Second, why does Locke make deals with a psychopath who has already shot him in the gut and left him for dead??? Why can’t he at least crack him the jaw? And why did NO ONE think to search that little house (after knowing it had a secret passage) and find the safe??? That’s ridiculous.”
Well, it has been the theme for awhile now and my willful suspension of disbelief has been taxed.
They’ve, like, NEVER really explored anything EVER. How the dead chick noticed the other cameras in the observation station and everybody was like ‘WOW why didn’t I think about that?!?’ ‘Oh yeah, it’s this busy hectic schedule preventing me from exploring this utterly crazy shit going down left and right.’ ‘Oh wait, no it isn’t, I’M STRANDED ON A FUCKING ISLAND, how else am I going to pass the time than explore?’
It seems that nobody has even once compared notes, when there should be a round table discussion every night about what they know or have seen or have found out. FUCK, even the lord of the flies kids were more organized than this!!!!!!
It’s clearly my biggest gripe when it comes to lazy writing, along with it’s brother, the:
character 1: ‘OMG THE CRAZIEST SHIT JUST HAPPENED!?!?’
character 2 : “Ok”
1 : “…”
2: : “…”
1: “Well aren’t you going to ask me in detail the who what when etc etcs!?!”
2: “No, doesn’t seem important right now”
1: “Ok, well, cool. I’m not going to volunteer any information either, i’ll just end with more ominous and esoteric sentence fragment.”
FUCK
Brilliant.
That is exactly my single biggest issue with this stupid show: No one says anything he or she would ever really say, and no one does anything he or she would ever really do. Lost is more like a board game than a novel or an epic adventure, and its characters are more like game pieces than real people. Simple case in point: Way back when smoke monster caught, I believe, Jack, Locke, and Kate in the jungle and Locke was almost sucked down underground but wanted Kate to let him go, they pulled him out and ran, and when they were clear, rather than asking, “What the fuck WAS that smoke thing???” they asked, “Why did you want us to let you go?” Shut up!!! No one would have asked that question first!!! No one!!! Except the stupid writers on this show. Yet on it goes episode after stupid episode.
Actually, they already knew about the smoke monster.
In case you haven’t noticed, everything on television, including reality television, is different from how people would react in real life.
It’s what makes it entertaining.
Well, we’re in agreement on one thing, most television sucks apparently, if ‘different from how people would react in real life’ is par for the course.
But srsly, ask any thinking person and they will tell you that if a story and it’s characters (and this applies to movies and books as well) don’t make logical sense, even the logical sense with itself that would exist in an alternate fictional universe, it all falls apart. This has been analyzed in depth for thousands of years and is practically a scientific truth of writing fiction for any medium. The audience’s willful suspension of disbelief can’t be abused.
The point you miss is that all great fiction, even the most wildly post-modern and fantastical, does exactly this, make sense and will adhere to a logical continuity. In short, it is ‘how people would reactin real life.’ Your observations speak more about the state of television and the fact that writing a long work of fiction and maintaining the llogical continuity is so rare because, guess what, IT’S FUCKING HARD TO DO!
Exploring the island. Yes, perhaps, truly, the dumbest thing that HASN’T happened on this show. Especially when we were shown the OTHER island, because there is no way in the world that French chick wouldn’t have seen it after all her time on the island, nor can we really believe that when Sayid and Jin and Sun were on the boat that they wouldn’t have seen it, either. Christ, are they telling me that not ONE person in that beach crowd would’ve packed up some supplies and explored the island??? Hey, get real! How would they know, otherwise, that it was really an island, and not the peninsula of a larger land? You’d want to explore. You HAVE to explore!!! And, in doing so, you’d find all this shit we’ve had to shown to us now since day one. The lack of logical exploration is, perhaps, the single stupidest thing on this show. Except for everything else.
NEWS FLASH:
Sayid did explore the island in Season 1.
No, he didn’t. If he had, he would’ve discovered the Dharma hatches and the Others’ village and the smaller island. He only got partway down the beach before he tracked the wire inland and got snared by Frenchie. I doubt he saw ten percent of the island. Go back to your basement and review the tapes.
Sayid is the worst explorer since I discovered the back yard. That fucking moron walked down the end of the resort beach and then gave up and came back. You think someone with intelligence would at last try to walk around the island? How hard is that?
And you think he might have discovered the giant subdivision or docks, or the power station or the intel house or whatever other bullshit names we’re making up for places (I predict the Snowbird or the Soul will be next).
Why would someone want to explore the entire island, if, as you keep reminding us, there are dangerous smoke monsters and others lurking everywhere?
Yes, Sayid did run into Rousseau, and that changed his plans a little. Wouldn’t you hurry back to the camp if you bumped into a strange French woman who had been on the island for years?
I’d want to explore the island just to get away from Jack’s simpering conversation and Kate’s psychpathic tendencies. Oh yeah, and to avoid having Fatboy fall on me or Sawyer give me a stupid nickname. Any or all of those are more than reason enough to risk the smoke thing, whatever it’s supposed to be. Besides, I could just stay along the shore where smokey never seems to appear anyhow. And isn’t that what Sayid would’ve done? Walk along the shore? Look, gang, they HAD to walk the shore to see if they were even on an island? But, of course, that’s something REAL characters would do, not game pieces.
Ok, to be fair, it DOES make perfect sense that Sayid would stop exploring after getting kidnapped and give up, for a number of reasons in general and that related to his character. That’s fine, and that happened in season 1 when the show was great and had much potential.
However, what about anybody else, especially the 20 something non-speaking extras?
Ok, fine, there are monsters and phantoms and others, OH MY out there. Makes sense… But, why does everybody saunter through the jungle so nonchalantly then? Srsrly, why has nobody had a nervous breakdown from the stress?
The problem was, at least in my opinion, this logical discontinuity didn’t really become clear until practically the 3rd season. Season 2 was largely the tailies and the tone of them, their fear and stress, seemed much more accurate and floated things for awhile… Unfortunately, their story created an even starker contrast with the original crew and their golf matches and sunbathing and the nonsensical nature of their complacency became to much to ignore.
I am glad you brought up Rousseau.
Rousseau was the first sign that we weren’t going to find anything out in this show.
Sayid is, ostensibly, an INTELLIGENCE OFFICER, and yet he doesnt really try to get any information out of Rousseau (whose craziness seems pretty variable, anywhere from shit eating to totally not crazy). Instead it’s like:
Sayid: hey tell me some shit about the island
Rousseau: I’m going to become totally non lucid now and give you bupkis
Sayid: Oh in that case, I won’t press you or torture you like I normally do, I’ll simply return back to base camp and give up all hopes of every discovering anything.
“how else am I going to pass the time than explore?’ ”
This has been one of my big questions: “How the heck does Danielle spend 16 years on this island and yet, does not seem to know a heck of a lot of what is happening?!!!”
My answer would be: She DOES know a lot of what is going on, but is just not telling the main characters (the plane crash survivoes), in which case, why do they keep trusting her, if she is NOT telling them everything she know??
Just more of the “lack” of curiosity from the characters…..
yah, it’s more apparent the writers think little of viewers when they use a lazy ‘pistol-whip’ tactic twice in the same episode.
while I’m at it…wtf is wrong with these people? they try to show us convincing ‘love stories’ between people who’ve known each other 100 days or less…? which maybe isn’t so far fetched, except that they all seem to be in love with their 2nd or 3rd person already.
it’s like ‘real world – LOST’, but we don’t even get to see naked chicks in a hot tub or a bunch of drunks arguing over who drank the last red bull.
Lol, oh man, that’s gold.
Propinquity / proximity is one of the necessary agreements for romance. You try not to fall in love with attractive women if you’re marooned on an island and you spend 20 hours a day with them.
You obviously don’t know shit about women.
I said “attractive” women, Joe.
Wait… There’s attractive women on this magic island? Where the hell are they keeping them? I haven’t seen one attractive women on this show since Shannon got killed off…
I think that Claire is rather nice looking.
Mrs. Goodwin was not there in the original ep. Complete retcon. Yes, they are making it up as they go along.
I dont think they showed the same angles in that original episode. I could be wrong though.
I’m guessing they just reshot some tight shots/close ups for ‘new’ reactions.
That’s it exactly. I’m not sure about this, but the same thing may have been done with Niki and Paulo (i.e. re-stage a portion of a flashback so that they are conveniently ambling about in the background) so as to convince viewers that they were really there all along.
In other words, the Lost writers like to say: “We know you guys are stupid, so here’s some more “proof” that we’ve had this whole thing mapped out from Day 1.”
Funny thing is, there ARE some actors in the backgrounds from the first episodes that we never heard of again… why not implment these guys in new episodes … that would at least show some sort of “planification”
Even if these guys were just extras… track em down and put them on the show instead of refiliming the scenes and “fooling us” that they were always there in the first place.
Hate the writers and the game!
excellent post Promo. Agree 100%
try this-
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=0ILPnh4mOKo
it is a short, very cool video I linked to a few weeks back, but worth looking at if you haven’t yet seen it. But, you can see Goodwin and directly behind him where Mrs. G should be standing, only she ISN’T there.
Mrs. Meister
“But, you can see Goodwin and directly behind him where Mrs. G should be standing, only she ISN’T there.’
Don’t worry, any sort of continuity issues will be handled with this answer: Time Travel. :p
“A wizard did it”
I think some things are flying over your head.
Locke is tempted to deal with Ben because Locke doesn’t know what to do. Locke knows Ben is dangerous but Locke also knows that Ben has abilities. That’s what makes their interactions interesting. It’s called conflict. It’s what makes a story interesting.
Juliet raced into the plant because she was having an adrenaline rush and she was trying to save the island. It’s called desperation. And it makes for gripping television.
If you fast-forward through all the flashbacks, it says a lot about your mentality. Maybe you should try watching WWE pro wrestling. You might find that more your style.
Gripping?!?! Interesting?!?! How about you try “trite” and “predictable”?
There’s nothing interesting about Ben and Locke anymore, not even a little bit and does anyone care about Juliet, at all… Besides those who give the show verbal hand jobs on a daily basis??? I’d wager that’s a big fat no.
I love the show, but, this episode was poor
It doesnt mean the show sucks though, I remember episode 9 of season 3 “Stranger in a strange land” was like the worst episode of LOST ever, I was loosing faith in the show, but they turned it around with a second awesome half of season 3. Its going to happen this time around aswell.
I also think this is a better start than season 3 had, the flashfowards bring a great new mystery and intrigue.
But keeping with what this website is about:
This episode did suck
Come to the darkside……
Just wanted to say thank you to all of you who still watch Lost… because about two weeks ago I gave up and have replaced the time normally spent watching by reading this site instead. SO much better.
I think what ended it for me was simple — too many guns drawn, not enough bullets fired. Got tired of watching person A hold person B prisoner this week and then person B hold person A prisoner a few weeks later.
If you want to watch an excellent TV series, watch The Wire from start to finish. Too bad this week’s episode will be the series finale…
The Wire should be mandatory viewing to anyone producing, writing and acting in a TV show.
If that were a law, we wouldn’t have any more crap on our TV screens.
One of the rare shows that kicked ass for all 5 seasons.
Thinking of renting the series when I’m done with The Shield.
Do I realy have to explain it again? You didn’t notice that when Ben was in his cell he was reading a book by Philip K. Dick? Dick wrote that those who control the meanings of the words that the people use control reality. For instance change what the word “Liberal or Freedom” means. Alas, but I won’t go there. I saw signs in last nights episode of moving towards a “Rocky Horror Picture Show” finale. This show can only now end in a smorgasboard of cannabilism and an over the top Broadway Production of drag queen hoe-down. Yes, Locke is a woman trapped in a man’s body.
I hate when they throw in their “obscure” literature references. Philip K. Dick… Jesus. We all read that stuff when you were shittin green.
You just know all those fanboys out there have gone to their local library to read the book, and see if they can find some “secrets”
You are well versed in Phil Dick and your favorite part of this episode involved Ben acting Gay, it seems to be getting kind of cramped in your closet….
I couldn’t agree with Tyler more. I purposely am adding my first impression comments without reading the above, so if I repeat, my apologies.
I feel redeemed this week. So many posters “kinda” liked the last episode that I was worried opinions might shift. After last night, I know that cannot happen. This was the worst episode of the season, somehow managing to eclipse the Kate trial suck episode rather easily.
More useless, unrealistic jungle treks. More “whispers” in the jungle that don’t mean ANYTHING. More useless, re-done flashbacks. How many times do I need to see the plane explode?!? They must be really proud of that special effect because I see it in half the episodes.
There is almost too much suckiness to write about: Kate showing up out of nowhere to get pistol-whipped. Juliet knowing full well there are 2 people yet she positions herself with her back to the ENTIRE room. You figure by now these people could count and show at least some common sense. Someone should make a montage of the Lost cast getting hit, knocked over the head, or attacked from behind. I bet it would take an entire 60 minute episode just for that.
I can’t even go into the Ben-Locke debacle. Can someone please explain to me though, if these people can go off and on the island, and the have supply drops, and can get entire files on anyone, why someone can’t pick up a TV or VCR made after 1980? The top loader VCR and the Zenith dial set are ridiculous!
I noticed the top loading VCR too. The Dhamra Initiative must shop for all their technology by travelling back in time to 1980s pawn shops.
I think the washer and dryer in the hatch were the new Maytag front-loader style, much more modern that anything else in the Dharma buildings.
And it sure made me curious how they got in there — were they purchased from buy.com or amazon.com? And was there a discount for purchasing them as a pair?
And what address did Ben type in when he was placing the order? And even with the address, how is UPS going to deliver the goods since Craphole Island is apparently invisible?
Maybe Ben just gave out a set of coordinates and Science Guy stood there with arms outstretched as the crates descended.
Did you ever think that maybe it was a pain to get stuff on the island?
Thanks for making my point for me. 80s electronics are all heavy, clunky, and hard to transport. New electronics are generally small, light, and much easier to tansport.
Well, once you had a VCR player on the island, maybe it was hard to justify packing DVD players onto the submarine.
Plus, maybe the Others were smart with their money and saw no reason to keep upgrading electronics.
“And maybe they like only use double coupons because like once they saw this Oprah show where this lady like bought a zillion dollars worth of groceries with like 500 coupons so like that’s how they shop now because like when you’re an Other you have to like be thrifty and junk…”
That’s right keep bending over backwards to justify all the shows shortcomings because they are many and it shall require limberness…
Parakeet, you have really lost what little of a mind you appear to have “smart with their money”? What in the world are you chirping about? The have a privately funded group with underwater and underground bunkers, plane drops for supplies, and, supposedly, a private submarine. Not to mention Ben alone has a billion dollars in his closet. Are you kidding me?!?? Lets pinch our pennies and not upgrade our technology!?? You are an idiot or in the biggest state of denial on the board.
Hilarious, Triple Antioxidants!
Man, is this ever a good point. When we first saw inside the hatch, back in season two, we saw all of the “outdated” and old equipment. Even Ben + his group were using, antiquited equipment. This *really* emphasised the feeling of isolation and being cutoff from civilization.
But, since the introduction of the others, we find that Ben seems to have contact with the “mainland” and can even shuttle people and information (e.g. Lockes dad). WTH???!! The writers are not even *attempting* at any sort of continuity.
Boy! 9:00 am and there are already 31 posts!
How bad was Lost this week? It took them only 3 1/2 minutes to introduce ANOTHER new character (therapy lady) and trot out another PSYCH! moment (Juliet’s having a flash-forward! She got off the island! No, ha-ha, it’s just another time-wasting flashback. Fooled ya!). Zeke returned for a cameo to reference how Lost characters all have daddy issues (Question: Do the writers really think they’re being clever when they point out that they are hacks at back-story characterizations?), and the high school crowd got their weekly fix of inconsequential literary allusions thanks to name-checks of both The Tempest and Philip K. Dick. I’m betting Wikipedia got slammed around 11:01.
In other developments, we got a new iteration of the information-must-never-be-shared gambit (Jack: “What’s the Tempest?” Juliet: “It’s safer for you if I don’t tell you.”), and then the show went all Desperate Housewives with Juliet loves Goodwin, who loves her back, but therapy lady is Goodwin’s wife, and Ben has a crush on Juliet, and now Jack loves Juliet, and Juliet loves him too! Please God won’t somebody put one of those many guns on the island to good use. I’d start with Jack, but if Juliet becomes gut-shot blonde #12 I wouldn’t complain (ok I would, but not so much).
Let’s see…oh yeah, Locke got conned for about the nine-hundredth time, and there was a laugh-out-loud moment when super-tracker Kate figured out, by looking at a wet leaf on the ground, not only that Juliet had passed through here, but that Charlotte and Faraday had also passed through “a half hour earlier.” Really!? Really!!??
We learned that Penny’s dad may be the leader of the evil other-others (or maybe not, since Ben lies about everything and it was part of his Locke con-job), and we learned that this island has some kind of whisper-inducing Star Trek transporter device—which brings up all sorts of plausibility questions, including this one: why would Ben send therapy lady to instruct Juliet to kill Faraday and Charlotte at the Tempest power station when he KNOWS that therapy lady and Juliet despise each other? A basic understanding of office politics would tell you that this is a pretty stupid thing to do.
The whole power station scene was another push-the-button save-the-island bit of manufactured suspense that we got plenty of in Season 2 (nice recycling guys; next season you can do the same thing with a polar bear station), and, on a lesser note, Claire stopped whining about her bye-bee for 5 seconds to tell Locke that she wanted to be like all the other chicks on the island and go on a Mata Hari spy operation. Her target? Miles, who may or may not still be hanging around with a loaded (or not) grenade clenched between his angry Asian teeth.
On the plus side, Kate got clocked in the head (recovering with no ill effects, natch), and Jin was actually given some dialogue. It was only about 4 lines, but they served to piss off Jack—which is always a good thing.
This is a great summary for last night’s piece of crap episode. You know how fanboys skim over episodes to find clues – well i’m sure we could watch this episode a few times and find even more steamy piles. There was just so much stupidity last night that I couldn’t keep track of most of it in one sitting.
Yeah that rattled me too…
PSYCH! It’s not a fast forward like you thought!
It’s a Flashback!
LOL LOL We got you! LOL!
PSYCH! You thought Hurley won the Horseshoe game but it’s Sawyer that won! PSYCH PSYCH!!
PSYCH! Jack grew two beards in the future! He grew one, then shaved it then grew it again!
PSYCH! Claire is the 6th Ocean Survivor and Kate was Babysitting Aaron! LOL LOL!!
PSYCH! It’s not Penny’s Dad, but Penny’s dad twin brother!! PSYCH!!
PSYCH!! You thought Jack and Botox were gonna kiss now but they kissed 3 minutes later!! PSYCH PSYCH!
PSYCH!! You thought locke really put a greande in the dude’s mouth, but LOCKE is an actor! It’s not a real grenade! HE won’t blow up!! PSYCH PSYCH PSYCH!!!
PSYCH!! We faded to black as if we’re going to commercial, but we didn’t go to commerical!! ROFL!!!!
Hate the writers and the game!
Please stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Ah… embarassment.. lacking in friends and trying to get attention in any possible way…
I feel for you, seriously.
I believe that this is what the internet is best for…
To offer everyone, especially the ones who really need it, room to reach out to anyone that is willing to hear them.
Without the internet, such persons would be without hope, leading a life of total emptiness.
So here is my gift to you of the attention you so direly crave.
I sincerely hope this helps you build a better life for yourself, for the last thing anyone here would want would be for you to take your own life in a moment of true despair.
So keep coming back here as much as you need, keep refreshing the boards every chance you get to see who replied to your callings, build up your confidence by convincing yourself that you will always have the last word, that even if the real world is not a happy place for you, at least here, you are still able to leave some sort of mark.
Do all this, because truly, nothing would make us happier than to know that the only reason you do not kill yourself, the only reason you are still alive, is because, we here extend our generosity and hearts to you in your time of need.
We are glad that we are the sole driving force in preventing your extinction.
God bless you, oh lost one.
(no pun intended)
Joe Kellog, you are a moron.
Mrs. Meister
Pretty sure I ain’t Joe Kellog…
Kwaziko,
Thanks for being there for me, man. It’s nice to know that I’ll always have a buddy in cyberspace (even if he is an embarrassment to himself).
Awww, and I really thought you had left us for a better world…
Guess I’ll have to try harder next time…
(don’t they keep you writers occupied with enough work that you don’t have time to come troll on these boards? oh right, I forgot… gotta strike for 4cents more…)
We waited all epi for it, but with patience comes payoff… We got to hear Fabio say “sonovabitch” again. How disgustingly predictable was this epi. Nothing happened. Even the Botox-Goodwin affair we already knew about. I guess it was some how important to know that he was married and that Ben knew he would be killed by AnaL. Whatever! The only entertaining part of the epi was when Botox told Jack that it was stressful being an Other. I thought that was actually funny.BTW, what happened to Locke’s chicken dinner? Does Miles still have the grenade in his mouth?
I didn’t think this was THE worst epi, but it was up high.
Mrs. Meister
Yeah, I’m sure you totally knew that Charlotte and Faraday were trying to stop the gas. That was so obvious.
Actually Condor, I did mention to L that Daniel was no murderer in my opinion. That is of course giving the writers some credit for character consistency, which in this show is often far fetched. None the less, I did think that they were on a ‘good’ mission. As I stated earlier, this show was all too predictable.
Mrs. Meister
I don’t think it was obvious that Charlotte and Faraday were trying to help the Losties. That’s what gave the episode a “MacGuffin” to drive it.
For all of you who keep talking about how this show was supposedly planned from start to finish, let me refresh your memory with the fact that Ben was supposed to be in only about 2 or 3 episodes, but “…Emerson’s acting was so good, we decided to write him into a lot more episodes…” Just think, if he had sucked at acting, we might not have even had to put up with episodes like this one. And he could have gone on to make Saw VIII.
You nailed it on this one…
This show is “s’pozed’ to be planned since the beginning but the entire storyline revolves around one character that was only supposed to be in 3 episodes…
Right…
Hate the writers and the game!
Not to mention that Jack was originally supposed to die in the pilot episode.
Sigh… If only……
they might have been planning on having him be a random other, it would have served the same purpose. Then, they would have made a new character the leader. The main story was the same, the characters were the same, they just used the same actor.
I’m sick of how they keep allowing Ben to have the upper hand, no matter what situation he may be in. It’s as if the writers are telling us that somehow Ben has planned this all out from scratch, and he predicted exactly how someone like Locke would react to his mental prodding. Somehow he’s gathered information on everyone and can get to access to security tapes from anywhere. If he’s so powerful and has so many connections, why doesn’t he just use them to take out the whitmore guy?
I think they’ve given themselves the easiest (i.e. lamestestest) out possible: time travel!!!
anything ben does or knows (however inconsistent), they conveniently write off as “well…ben traveled back in time to warn himself…”. of course, this begs the question why he’d EVER be surprised by anything.
Or why anything bad would ever happen to him. If you can time travel, you avoid every bullet that comes your way.
There’s a surprising amount of negativity over at TWOP regarding this week’s ep. And at 12 noon, there’s only 21 pages logged in the forum. May get some new posters this week.
Funny tidbit I picked up: Faraday had lost his hazmat head cover and was still working frantically on the computer to stop the poison gas. But even though time was of the essence, he kept his hazmat gloves on. Dude, your mouth and lungs are exposed—taking off the gloves would make typing a whole lot easier.
uh, I’d like a screenshot of the terminal display please. it should have been something like
aitmire aousdtoui 0aa0u9f aafj afjhoft-1′asdf
“dammit! these fucking gloves!”
I just have one request to all the true posters of this site. what do you guys think about JUST IGNORING ALL THE FANBOYS WHO COME ON THIS SITE AND KEEP PESTERING US ABOUT HOW WE CAN WATCH A SHOW THAT WE DON’T LIKE ETC?? this would apply to dickheads like Johnny, the first poster on todays thread. regardless of what they type, nobody respond to them
Ah, but its so much fun to yank their chains. Condor was a classic, and JOKE (JO e KE llog) is almost as fun.
Yeah — looks like we chased that bird away in the end, although I usually try to ignore most of them.
I bet you would like to yank more than just my chain, stay away from me Mary…
Yawn. Same troll, new handle.
Laurent,
Ton anglais n’est pas mal.
The library should stop letting street people use the computers.
LOL. Check out the Fuselage. Even the fanboys are puking over this episode.
One of them named “JackSawyer” (GAG) wrote: “I’m not 100% sure yet, but I’m at least fairly sure that it’s the worst episode I’ve ever seen”
I find it hilarious how the fanboys don’t come on here and try to defend the episodes anymore, they just try to trash us for wasting our time by dogging the episodes. In the words of Cipher: “Don’t blame ME, Trinity. I’m just the messenger.”
Unfortunately, there are still plenty of KoolAid drinkers at the Fuselage cheezin over the episode. A couple called it the best ever. It is pure comedy.
“JackSawyer” huh? Must be a lonely, lonely fanboy.
At TWOP there’s a screencap discussion of therapy lady’s full name so that they can try to figure out how it fits in pop-culture-reference-wise. [Insert appropriate sheep noises here]
for anyone who’s bored and wants 5 minutes of fun reading:
www(dot)encyclopediadramatica(dot)com/Lost
Thanks for the link matt, fucking hilarious!
And the topless Kate, though photoshopped, is the most enjoyable Lost moment I’ve experienced since Season 1.
Last week I promised to write a paean to Lost and Sayid’s Manly Arms if my fever reached 102, but then it hit 104 and I was in no shape to write anything at all. I caught the last 30 seconds of this week’s episode, which seemed to involve horsehoes and Ben sorting the laundry, and I’m not so certain I don’t have a fever delirium again. Oh, and I caught the coming attractions! Which promise someone we never expected to see again! Oh, boy! Because it’s not like people don’t just randomly show up whenever.
And every time that poor announcer has to intone “THE OCEANIC SIX!” like it’s some weighty, important thing, I just larf and larf.
Ben’s gayness in the scene where Juliet comes over for dinner was priceless. So at least I got a laugh-out-loud moment from this episode.
That would be your favorite part…Zilch…ha hah…..
did you see Ben’s feminine walk when he left Locke’s shack?
I wonder if they’ll introduce a love triangle where Ben secretly wants to ‘do things’ to Jack.
Our local ABC station pre-empted the ep to show the start of the state high school basketball tournament. Sounds like that was lucky for me. But I already was sure it would be when I heard it would be a Julietcentric show. She’s one of those whose appearance always signals me that it’s time to go do something else for awhile. The constant little facial tics that are her Master Thespian way of showing subtle or repressed emotion. The way her eyelashes flutter as if they were naval signal lights sending morse code. And of course the rigor mortis smirk which she believes to be a Mona Lisa smile. Lord, if only that bullet bus had run over her and Ben instead of the other guy back when. Yeah, missing Lost could definitely get to be a habit.
Frankly, I like the actress who plays Juliet. What do you want her to do, make Jim Carrey faces all the time?
I guess this is to be expected in the age of MySpace and text-messaging.
Learn to savor the subtle things in life.
I’d rather hear your list of praiseworthy attributes about the actress’ technique than a mini-rant on the modern world and a snipe at someone who disagrees with you. Do you see how there’s a difference there?
For example, I cannot stand Elizabeth Taylor as an actress (except in Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf), but she tried to perfect a subtle use of facial expressions for the large screen that she in turn attempted to pass on to actors who treated movies like either theatre or a Cinemascope sword-and-sandals declamatory epic. The actress who plays Julet is too one-note for some of us–frozen in place and limited in technique, with her little facial movements failing to express the range of input the audience needs when the script is not providing information. She can make the character unfathomable and “mysterious,” but we really don’t need one more mystery all up in here.
So, go ahead and tell me more about what it is the actress does that provides effective feedback on her character’s inner life–or tell me I text message so much that I don’t understand subtlety or acting, you whippersnapper.
Fair enough. I do think that actors / actresses are limited by their natural personality. I. e. Kevin Spacey wouldn’t do so well as Ace Ventura even though he’s a great actor. Imagine if Elizabeth Mitchell (the actress who plays Juliet) were really the one in Juliet’s shoes. Her reactions would be the subtle muted ones that we get on LOST. Some people are just not that expressive. I like the reserved expressions of Juliet, they’re just fine.
Whatever. I’d still hit it.
She is subtle compared to Jim Carrey’s comedy, I’ll give you that. But when using most standards of acting, she’s about as subtle as a broken tooth, because she does the little mouth tighten and the eyelash batting and the smirking WAYTOOMUCH! And for whatever it means, I’ve never been to MememeSpace or sent a text message to anyone’s cellphone. Accuse me of a lot, but don’t accuse me of junk like that.
Well, some people in real life are subtle so to play a character like that you need an actor / actress who is subtle.
I thought the idea of being an actor was to be able to portray all kinds of different types of people. Maybe that’s just good actors. Anyway, you find her to be subtle. I find her to be mannered and overdone. The world spins on. And Lost still sucks.
Eloquently put (above) RobbyLove. Holy motha ov ah lawd jesus criss. That was foul and further proof that this thing is veering towards farce. Someone mentioned that they are now resorting to reinventing past episodes in order to fix the mess they have created. I don’t think they know what they’re doing anymore. This show has become a creative writing exercise gone terribly wrong with no other purpose outside of itself. It deserves to be cancelled.
Putting aside Mrs. Goodwin (who was manufactured out of thin air), was there ever a suggestion in the earlier epis that Ben was somehow driven by an obsessive romantic interest in Juliet and that all of his actions were fueled by frustrated lust? I guess I missed that. Is anyone even remotely interested in Ben anymore? By the end of last season, he had already lost every shred of mystique that he once held.
I think iHateTV… asked: “why are women so dumb?” You mean as opposed to the male geniuses who populate the island. Which touches upon a common pet peeve with this show. I think Prometheus raised this: the writers’ reluctance to allow characters to communicate normally and behave in rational ways even in the most benign situations. They are utterly uninterested in sharing information and after months of living in the midst of violence and treachery, seemingly have little interest in taking the most rudimentary precautions to protect themselves (Juliet turning her back on psychobritbabe, Locke releasing Ben). Oh…, I stand corrected, Claire of all people, asked Locke a couple of relevant questions between loads of laundry. Transparent, convenient, insulting and utterly implausible. Burns my drumsticks.
And now for the funnies: (1) Kate, now a seasoned Iroquois scout, sniffs and gently caresses a leaf to determine the whereabouts of her prey; (2) surpassed only by Hurley and Sawyer playing horse shoes (??!!!), an endearing reference to the ping pong episode, possibly the worst epi of the series after this one. How fitting. Wow. Just…wow.
Why do people hate the ping-pong episode so much? I thought it was fine.
It’s ironic that you wish the characters would act like normal people, then you go and bash the ping-pong and horseshoes. Those are some activities that people might actually do if they were really stranded on an island.
In any event, this is supposed to be entertainment, not a documentary.
Hey Nancy, bet you like picnics and playing dress-up also…..
*Those are some activities that people might actually do if they were really stranded on an island.*
seriously? I wasn’t a boy scout, but I don’t recall a lot of leisure time built in to survival situations…the games may humanize the characters, but in a strained ‘look how normal everything is’ sort of way
They’re killing time while stranded on an island!
i’d think the beatings and junior high love trists would occupy time plenty.
I’m fairly certain I didn’t ask, “why are women so dumb?’ and even if I ever do it will probably be phrased much more eloquently.
2 videos you might find funny
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=TnnZk60MegQ&NR=1
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=EEIp0qPBbEI
Mrs. Meister
Lame.
If you think those were funny, I think I can understand why you might not like LOST.
I am deeply moved to tears that you didn’t like the videos.
boo hoo,
Mrs. Meister
You forget that there are two islands. Also Sawyer was recruited by Ben for some gigantic hoax that he was part of. While I see great brilliance on the writers part for injecting the storyline with allegorical allusions to the Bush Administration, that certainly is not the full measure of the show. If an episode involving a poodle and an Intergalactic Tribunal are not forthcoming then it will obviously revert back to “The Atlantis Scenario.” The island is actually a remnant of the continent of Atlantis which was originally ruled by giant four toed tree sloths. The second season was clearly a reference to the South Park “Lord Of The Rings” episode. “Bring it to Butters”…Season three – episode six has a reference to “The Exorcist” part three. In which Satan/Ben makes a long winded speech about how he is really just misunderstood. In the Episode where Charlie is drowning you actually hear as background music a stringed version of Donovans, “Ode To Atlantis”, way down , below the ocean, she may be. Hurley and Sawyer playing horse shoes/golf is a cheesy remake of Beavis and Butthead tripping on Peyote (See full explanation in the Fuselage.) This show is hopelessly convuluted and will never emerge into any resolvable scenario except maybe someone was dreaming or someone was having a terrifally bad LSD experience and it is actually 1968. Be that as it may, it is intriguing that the island has a HAL 5000 computer mainframe for population destroying gaseous functions, “Dave? What are you doing Dave?” Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do, I’m half crazy all for the love of you, it wont be a stylish marriage, I cant afford a carriage but you’ll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two…..
Fail.
Suck.
“Dave?” “What are you doing Dave?” That totally cracks me up…….
How stoned are you?
Evil we are to ignore the cereal guy so hopefully he goes away. I will not encourage him/her/it anymore. Besides, with all the sex scandals this show is more like blow job Billy’s administration than the current one. I can’t wait until he/she/it puts a witty little reply onto this so I can ignore him/her/it once more.
CPT Preevyet currently traveling home to Virginia (yeah)
Why bother? Even critiquing has become a waste.
well-said
Soi patient.
Don’t Condors eat crap off of the canyon floors?
From Wikipedia:
So did Ben tell Locke who the spy is? When they went on break I figured I wouldn’t miss anything of value if I stopped watching. Judging from the comments, looks like I made the right call
Probably, but we didn’t get to see it. At the very end of the episode Ben is walking around like a free man in the Other’s village (to the astonishment of Sawyer and Hurley). It makes it look like Locke was so amazed by who the spy was that Locke let Ben have his freedom.
Spoiler alert: the spy is probably Michael. I’ve read that he has the flashback on episode 8.
What did I miss? Should I wait til I get home or suffer in a Panera Bread parking lot again? I think I’ll wait, given the first few comments on here. Nice suck o meter, Tyler, graphics and everything. And don’t you know that fanboy must have refreshed this site like a 1,000 times until Tyler updated it so he could come on here and write the same crap that every other fanboy (save JT) writes about. If they’d only read previous season posts, and the FAQ before shooting their wad on this site. So sad it must be all alone in their parent’s basement, typing away with their Taco Bell uniform neatly pressed, bottle of Clearasil on the desk. They obviously have doubts or they wouldn’t be typing “Lost sucks” into Google. So sad.
You sound kinda gay….
My friend tried to convince me to try it again, and I can’t bear more than 30 seconds.
I think I’ve lost the will to hate this show.
Here! Here!
In nursing home parlance it’s “failed to thrive”. I can’t be expected to demonstrate the will to carry on whilst listening to constant whining and babbling all the time sitting in a pile of shit.
Complaining has become pointless and absurd… akin to “whydeathsucks”, no?
yes!
The suckness of ‘Lost’ has (now, more than ever) become self-evident and removed from the realm of debate.
Almost four years now, but not all too surprising in a society that still debates the merits of torture and the viability of a creationist theory (the mere mention of is alone embarrassing) that in turn hinges on the existence of a sea-faring methuselah in an arc-ménagerie that preserved earth’s creatures from god’s rage.
Not surprising at all.
Stupidity is a meme that cannot meet extinction, however, ‘Lost’ is just too stupid to fight its own self-imposed death spiral.
Just curious – why are they called fanBOYS on here? It’s interesting, everywhere else you’d be hearing about fanGIRLS…why the gender switch?
i’ve always preferred the term fanHERMAPHRODITE
Interesting…?
or fuckwit…
The weather started getting rough, the tiny ship was tossed, if not for the courage of the fearless crew the Minnow would be lost, the Minnow would be lost. The ship set ground on the shore of this deserted desert isle with Gilligan, the Skipper too…..
Here’s one:
Whatever happened to the mysterious illness from season 1 that everyone was getting within a certain amount of time being on the island? The tailies talked about it alot (how so many of them had died from it) and Rousseau talked about how it killed so many of her group and at one point the Dharma folks were injecting themselves for protection…
But then the cure was discovered.
The cure was when the writers suddenly forgot a major premise from the first season. From that point on, everyone on the island was safe. Man, that’s better than mysterious-illness antidote.
This is not unlike how everyone is now safe to trek back and forth through the jungle ever since the writers forgot there’s a smoke monster out there.
You’re right! Another plot point that somehow vanished. Watching this show from day one convinces me more and more that the writers simply lose interest in one thing as they find something more interesting (to them). They are . . . serial ideaist!!! Oh yeah, idiots, too.
I remember reading an article a while ago that compared the Lost writers to hyperactive children; playing with a toy then losing interest in it and running to play with a new toy. I thought it was a very good analogy.
yeah, well, the writers will probably soon write themselves into the show anyway, so it’s not far off to say that “a cure was discovered”. They’ll be considered God to the whole series, and that’ll cover for every inconsistency the island has ever had.
Jeffrey JACOB Abrams. Just wait. This show sucks.
For someone who watches a TV show they hate, you REALLY need to get a life. YOu watch EVERY episode. When I hate a show I leave it. COnsidering I hate all but like 4 shows I don’t watch much TV.
God damn. What we were thinking?!
I meant what were we thinking?! There we go.
Dear Joey,
So, we all need to get lives because we decide to comment about something we dislike as a community…
However, you, who has absolutely nothing better to do than to search for sites that dislike a show he likes, and then spend time reading through it only to end up trolling the boards… you don’t need to get a life… correct?
Maybe you just need to take your life then since you already have one?
Kwaziko – preaching suicide to all trolls since 1943
Seriously, can anyone do an IP trace on the fanboys addresses?
I’ll bet 1K at least half of them can be traced back to ABC…
It’s really JJ Abrams and team Darlton’s computers. I don’t have anything else, just happy to be home on my computer.
CPT Preevyet recovering at home after 4 “tough” weeks of Army training
I could, but it sounds like too much work.
That was the most excrutiating 43 minutes I’ve have ever sat through. I have to hand it too Lost, just when you thought it was coming back, they prove the suckiness once again. This episode ranks (rank is appropriate) up there with the Niki-Paulo episode for crap that didn’t matter. I love how they re-shot the scene right after the crash where Ben is barking orders and Goodwin’s wife (whom I don’t recall seeing the first time) looking worried. What a load of crap. Michael Emerson is a wonderful actor but you got to wonder why he doesn’t say “no, I will not prance around the kitchen like a lovesick schoolboy!”
And I hate to nitpick on make-up and the like, but Juliette’s clown makeup in the opening scene with Harper was just over the top ridiculous. And this cryptic “they were on the list” crap, where is that coming from? Ben sends Harper and he’s just where he wants to be? I just don’t know if I can watch again. This was just horrible. I was hoping to come home and see some good stuff, but this dog crap of an episode just proves they have no direction and they are trying to ty up loose ends with crap that just doesn’t make sense.
What? Are you gay or something? Ben’s Ham Dinner with Juliet will go down in “Lost” history as a classic scene. I mean, come on now, the guy fixed HAM.
What is your gay fascination? Get over it and come out of the closet already.
You sound like you are on the other side of the door waiting for me. (wink wink) Will we have ham?
At least I’m on the outside.
You two ladies need to take it outside.
I’ve noticed that most of the posts lately are dedicated to personal insults and attacks by people, mostly new to this site, who clearly have nothing better to contribute. A sign of the times, I fear… The inevitable downward decline…
Worst than this pollution (Tyler, I beg you to use the force and smite them with virtual banishment), as Laurent hammered home (above), there is little more to say about this show because it has now firmly entered the territory of irredeemable suckiness. I know the veterans are thinking: “and you’ve just come to this shocking realization?!”. But the recently emerging despondency implies that even the most fanatical apostates still held out some hope as recently as the end of last Season that the spark of their interest could once more be ignited. I know I did, much as I hate to admit it. Is Lost now just another shitty show as opposed to one that has fallen from great heights? Has it now been “removed from the realm of debate”? And if it has, what now? Might as well discuss ER, non? I’m in the dark, here! and trying to hang on but I can barely muster the interest to watch anymore…
I have always kept an “anything goes” attitude with the site. I’m not a big fan of censorship, so given this tiny slice of life that I actually do have some control over, I choose to sit back and let it flow on it’s own. I mean, who am I to decide what comment is worthy and what is not? I’m just some dude who slapped together a site one afternoon a few years ago, and now it has grown beyond anything I had imagined. I kind of like my role as a benevolent creator. I set the wheels in motion, then watch from afar to see if people will use their free will to enrich each other with a smart and funny dialogue, or self destruct this little world with hatred. It’s really a fascinating social experiment at this point.
Have we run out of things on the show to talk about? Perhaps, but the regular posters on this site have always contributed more than just opinions of a sucky TV show. It’s a prety cool little community around here regardless of whether Lost continues to suck ass, or turns it around to become a decent show again.
you are god.
What’s wrong with ER?
Have you seen a Psychciatrist or just imaginary people on an island?
Tyler, any clue as to when you’ll have your new page loaded so I can be first? I’m giddy with excitement over tonight’s episode. OK, I know it will suck I just don’t want some faggy fanboy (or should I say fanperson) to jump in first again.
CPT Preevyet finally home to watch “live”
Me too! I can’t wait! I am hoping for a 10.0 on the scale tonight!
Well, just watched, more like a 4, it actually was pretty good with the flashbacks with Jin and Flashforward with Sun. And now we know Jin died post crash, so that makes 5 (or is it 6 with Aaron?) survivors and one of the 2 who didn’t “make it”. I liked it.
Dude…spoiler warning!! It’s only 7:30 here in CA.
and only 5:30 here in HI
Yes, I know it seems unfair to have to wait 6 extra hours to watch the craptastic display but I’ll try to soldier on…
two words. tear jerker
He actually might not be dead, dude. Date on his tombstone was the date the plane crashed. (Read that on one of the boards, didn’t notice it myself)
yeah read the same thing. could be because of the time on and off the island are different? spoiler i know some people didnt catch that jins was a flashback, and sun a flashforward.
Wow, I totally did not catch the flashback/flashforward thing. I assumed that Jin had to fake his death and was now working for Sun’s father again…
with sun being the last of the oceanic 6… that means desmond didnt make it to penny?
that would actually be cooler.
Fuck this SHIT Tyler…I’m outta here.