For the love of God - Release the gas!
What do you do when your a writer and have no idea how to resolve the giant mess you have made of a show. Easy, you fall back to your original crappy playbook. You introduce more characters that add nothing to the plot, you send people on another jungle trek. You start another pathetic love triangle. Classic stuff. So what really happened in this episode? We find out Juliet is the island whore. Ok, who cares. Watching Ben prance around in the kitchen like and episode of queer eye for the straight guy was about as painful as it can get. Seriously, can it get any worse? I kept yelling at the TV “release the gas, release the gas!” Please, put this island out of its misery. Folks, we have our new “ping pong episode” for this season. The tide has rolled out and a new lower water mark has been set. The only mystery left is, how will anyone possible be able to defend this heaping pile of a show any more? I actually feel physically violated by how bad that episode sucked.
On the suck-o-meter this one is a staggering 9.9!
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something has to be mentally wrong with a persons brain to make a website about a show they claim to hate and keep updating it. i cant even imagine making a site about a show i hate, and watch it religiously, and criticize it to death. this site has to be some kind of joke. you can defend yourself by saying “oh but i liked season 1!!” but season one answered nothing, only presented info. now they are starting to answer things, and you hate it.
It’s a misconception to say that the people on this site “hate” Lost. I’m pretty sure we all love the show very deeply, like a parent loves a child… but then a divorce happens and the ex takes the kids, moves to another state, lets the kids get into drugs, watch bad TV, and post on internet all day…….. and to top it off tears up every letter you send so you have no way of getting through to your kids to help save them. Hard feelings get in the way and we start badmouthing the ex’s parenting methods. The bitch.
It’s like that.
what’s wrong with bad tv and internet postin’?! heh
Well put.
Criticism is an intellectual endeavor, it makes perfect sense to have an ‘i hate Lost’ site thats get updated with reviews of new shows.
Plus, the downfall of Lost is probably the most epic in the history of television and speaks volumes about the possibility, or lack thereof, of producing great art through the medium of television, specifically american television, as well as a number of other deep and interesting topics.
Though, if you still ‘like’ Lost I can see how this might’ve eluded you.
That’s what originally interested me to this site, an irony in itself. Indeed, what else could American network television be other than mediocre? Lost is merely fulfilling its destiny.
Read the FAQ, fanboy moron.
>>Read the FAQ, fanboy moron.
Sorry, some issue with my previous entry.
I second the motion (”Read the FAQ, fanboy moron”). The original posters question is the first question in the FAQ!
This show is mediocre. Always has been. Always will be. Also, I enjoy young boys.
Hey Johnny…you got it right. Read my other comment on the last show. What kind of mentally derranged person goes on with a website like this??? Week after week. Month after month? YEAR AFTER YEAR?????????????
Yes…he’s a plant for the SHOW!!!! Got to be.
Stop watching now. Kill your TV. All of you. NOW!
wow i don’t know what was more dreadfully boring - tonight’s snoozefest or the Kate “do they know about me” episode. An episode about Juliet did nothing for me as I find her character so dull and petty. Every time her flashbacks came on I just had to flip away, especially since it was obvious they were going to make it into some sort of petty love/obsession story. Oh and now there’s gas on the island a few more people we have to keep an eye out for.
The last 5-10 minutes look like they were written by sixth graders.
“they’re on our side”
“but they knocked me out!”
“come with me, i will show you”
“ok…”
“they’re coming to kill ben”
“i don’t care, let’s make out”
*nauseating make out scene*
of course a token playful scene between jabba and the trucker guy. Ben walking away to his quarters like Locke just gave him a special “present”. And the overuse of suspense was in play again tonight. The worst was when Ben promised to tell Locke who his man on the boat was, and guess what, they cut away to commercial. Just great.
How many “bargaining chips” can Ben possibly have? Does he have a secret sex tape of Locke that he will later use to get him on his side the next time? I found one of his quotes to be quite interesting since it sums up the show very nicely : “I’m sorry I didn’t tell you this earlier” .
Awesomely said, Monkey. I love that last line. Sad and true….
So…why did Charlotte knock Kate out? “I had to” just does not cover it at all. She’s doing something that’s in all their interests.
Also crap is her getting the drop on both Kate and Juliet from their acting like idiots. Juliet simply left her back unguarded, but Kate is a lot worse. First she forgoes an oppurtunity to just go along with things and see what happens after seeing the working phone in Dan’s pocket, then she turns her back on someone she knows is lying to her.
Finally, they’d better not try to trot out any more hints that Ben is actually one of the good guys after showing his stalker “You’re mine” side.
Well put Ryan. The Kate of this season is nothing like Kate in Season 1. Back then she was a bad ass who would be way smarter than to allow this chick to knock her out. And it is a huge island and yet she just happens to run into the two people heading to the power station? Piss poor writing. We liked the Kick-ass Kate.
Even people who are bad to the bone make mistakes here and there.
I loved the preview for next week, “A face you never thought you would see again”! Yeah, except you’ve only had his name in the credits for the LAST SIX EPISODES. Assholes.
So Michael is the spy.
He agreed to be the spy because BLAH BLAH BLAH.
The better question is WHAT GOOD IS A SPY ON THE BOAT?
Ben knows they are coming, since he’s got patchy’s super satellite station, Poltergeist Jacob, The Magic Box that made Locke’s Dad appear, and the Dharma sharks.
Plus, he already knows they are ‘bad’, in the sense of ‘really bad, not bad bad like ben is bad’.
And worse comes to worst, he’s got a ton of poison gas, and army of others, the children, some super sonic device to kill of smoke monster when he forgets he can fly, and well smokey himself.
What can Michael the spy teach him?
Who knows, except that we’re sure we’re NOT going to find out next week.
I will accept the ridiculousness of Michael working as a spy for people who STOLE HIS CHILD if the writers will only try to add that “plot” thing back into the show.
Actually, there was no “Magic Box.” Ben’s operatives travelled to the United States to kidnap Locke’s dad.
Oh thank God you cleared that one up. Now all we have to know is 1. why did people survive the plane crash 2. why locke can walk 3. why are their ghosts on the island 4. what is smokey 5. what is Jacob 6. what the hell was the hatch 7. why did the hatch have a failsafe key in the first place if you can just turn it and stop pushing the button 8. why were the others stealing children 9. why cant people have children on the island 10. who the fuck are the others 11. why the fuck do they want the island 12. what is with Desmond and the time travel 13. why does Jacob need help 14. what is so special about Aaron, or Walt, or whoever else they have said was special –
should I really go on with the more obvious questions like why do people survive after being shot and why do they keep introducing new characters and giving them backstories that have no bearing on the overall plot??
Keep watching and maybe some of those questions will be answered.
It wouldn’t be much of a show if you knew the answers to all of those questions, would it?
Ever heard of mystery, plot, or suspense?
No, they will just add more questions. Haven’t you figured out the formula yet? They don’t answer questions, they just add more of them.
“Keep watching and maybe some of those questions will be answered.”
Somehow, I think that this phrase will still be uttered, even after the show is officially over……
I thought it was Michael, but I did not see that his name was in the credits. That is monumentally stupid.
Withhold your judgment until you have seen the episode where they re-introduce Michael and show what he has been up to since we last saw him.
Spoken like a writer.
Man you guys are pathetic… can’t handle the criticism of your work, (and the fact that none of you should ever be allowed to write again), so you need to come ruin a perfectly good community site.
Maybe you should try another career path if you can’t deal with critics…
So I’m typing this as I’m watching the episode because I’m 10 minutes into and I can’t handle it anymore.
9th new character of the season: Shrink Botox 2
And a tempest?
Gas?
Shrink Botox’s husband? Did we see him previously? Who can keep track anymore?
Botox 1 says bla bla bla… anyone remember how good the first 3 episodes of seaons 1 were?
Kate spots some greeny phone thing in someone’s pack that’s supposed to be in the chopper?
Oooh. Tense music! Something’s gonna happen…
I be they try to knowck kate out but she!!!!
YES!!!
They knocked her out… I thought she was gonna pull out a gun but I was wrong. They knocked her out as I was typing…
Ok Jack and botox 1 and a file and the therapist again…
EGG SALAD ON RYE! Two weeks ago we spend 2 minutes watching locke bring eggs to Ben. New sponsoring techinique? Secret egg terrorists?
Anything would make for better entertainment at this point.
Ok! Juliet will admit she is sleeping with therapstis husban?
Here goes; “I know, I followed you…”
And…
And..
YES!!!
“Im sorry!”
Botox 1 slept with Goodwin!! If I were still a fan this is where I’d cream my pants.
I blacked out.
Something about someones’ boat annd dead charlie.
Locke brings more eggs, nope, rabbit.
Something about numbers… OH WAIT WAIT! THey number the animals with those ‘numbers’.
So anyways…my own flashvack to 5 minutes ago:
Somehow botox 2, who wasn’t aways on the other’s other island with the second half of the others, (I guess she swam across since locke blew up the sub?) anyways… she somehow gets to Ben who is locked up right…
And he somehow knows where to find the archeologist and the scientist.
And the botox 2 can track Juliet in the haunted jungle under the rain.
Not too shabby.
….
Fast forward to Ben has a crush on Juliet.
WHAT
THE HELL
IS WRONG WITH THIS SHOW?
Hey the plane boss! The plane blows up.
Goodwin! MAKE A LIST!
GO!
Oooh. They added botox 2 to the flashback! Like she was always there!
Comeon SMOKEY!
Come on!
NOPE
WHIING
Kate?
is it?
YES!
Yes go get her some water.
Oh so they are gonna gas people?
JULIET!!
But she didn’t say “I’ll be right back”.
However she’s not a virgin since she banged goodwin… so it’s 50/50 whether she dies or not.
Smokey and ghostface same person? Anything can happen on Lost!
(or wait, is it Anything can happen in the WWF?)
36-15-28! Surprise surpsires!!
A Tape!
Beta?
That woulda been nice.
Come on dharma!
And…
and..
nope!
Looks like…a drug deal?
New character?
Yes!
Charles Bogus Boatman.
And ….
Blindfold spy?
WOOT!
Virgin Mary!
This is religious after all.
7 people would come here?
no wait, more like 15 so far right?
Charles witmoore just done something bad.
One more thing he needs to know?
JUST ONE!
Guess he don’t read IGN’s list of top 50 reasons why we wanna kill JJ.
Who’s the man on the boat?
Lando?
Cheech?
Will we find out tonight or in 5 weeks?
Here’s that fugitive story again.
WE KNOW HOW IT ENDS ALREADY SO WHO CARES?
JAcob does!
Is that his cabin?
Or wait…
Another character?
12th char of the season?
…..
FLASHBACK? Now? Who knew….
More food.
Action.Adventure.Mystery? FUCK THAT CRAP! Food and love triangles sells more records.
Someone is undercover.
Anna Lucia? They keep mentioning her this season?
Is she coming back to life?
In episode 8?
Is that the big twist?
All the deadies come back to life?
A Hatch?
The only other hatch I wanna see on this show is Richard Hatch.
I CANT DO THAT.
GAS EM!
DO IT!
DO IT!!!!!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT!
So he came akl the way here to make gas inert while his homicidal friend kills the survivors. MAKES SENSE TO ME.
BLOW IT!
COME ON!
BLOWWWWWWWWW!!!!
Nope here comes the gun.
freezes at 8 seconcds?
BEN?
Yes ben wants to kill em all… heard that before
No go.
Countdown of nothing.
WHAT JUST HAPPENED?
I dunno.
So here’s what I understand so far:
Ben wants to fix his tumor so he kidnaps everyone on the island and makes the kids go through some tests. But he’s missing there leader, Walt.
So he kidnaps him too, but doens’t understand him
50 days later he kidnaps Jack to fix the tumor.
But. ITS NOT A TUMOR.
Then All hell breaks loose cuz Ana Lucia kills Goodwin.
This show blows.
Yes, ben knew ana lucia would kill goodwin.
He can also see the future, like Desmond.
So Ben gets Goodwin killed with magic, but his magic is not strong enough to make botox love him.
Hmmm Ben is the devil and only wants to get worshiped?
Or is Ben god?
…
Chick fight!
Kate hits her… come on! do it!
As soon as archeo turns around….
And..
And….
And……
Nope Kiss time.
Wage war agasint ben.
So thats it.
Ben is either god or the devil, and the survivors are stuck there…
YES!
A bit delayed, but the predicatble kiss came around.
Ok so 1 minute left…
and horseshoes of course..
What will the big twist be?
Explosion?
Magic hoorseshow?
Sawter drios dead>
Hurley looks intrigued?
BEN IS FREE!
Locke will have a blank look on his face?
or locke dead?
… same bat channel…
my point again….. why would you type a whole synopsis of a show you hate? its always interesting to see what u guys come up with, why each episode “sucks”. what do you guys call good tv? spongebob? aftr 100 episodes they still never told what the krabby patty secret formula is. i think they are making it up as they are going along. they dont even know what the formula is.
Probably for a better than a fanboy claiming to be a fan typing LSOT SUCKS in google and finding this site.
Get your ass out of your head, and go cream over your brilliant show instead of coming here where the big bads say big bad mean things.
Or wait… my bad… you come here cuz you can’t get attention anywhere else right?
Well now you got some?
Glad to help you get some sleep.
You know what?
Maybe you have a point after all.
WHY THE HELL DO WE STILL WATCH THIS CRAP?
HELP US JOHNNY!
The funniest thing is that you were the first to post. Seems pretty obvious you knew how crappy the episode was and, like a true fanboy, rushed over here to call out the heathens. You rock, brutha. You ROCK!
Wow! So now you are comparing Lost to a child’s TV show? I couldn’t agree more. So, are you about 10-12 years old (at least intellectually)? That would explain your banter…
Dude, you seem to know an awful lot about Spongebob Squarepants. That either makes you 1) 8 years old or 2) really pathetic
in all honesty, it could make him
3. a parent
Mrs. Meister
Spongebob Squarepants hasn’t built itself up around the mystery of what is in the crabby patties.
But I can think of a few mysteries in Lost that haven’t been answered— like all of them.
READ THE FAQ DUMBASS!!!!!!! FIRST QUESTION U CANT MISS IT!
Uh, Kwaxiko, spoiler alert next time, plxkthx.
;P
Sure thing!
Though I honestly thought “I’m typing this as I’m watching the show” was warning enough
haha. the stereotypical hostile internet nerds. why are they always so mean? its the same in every forum. i remeber why i stopped going to forums, im not sure what made me come back here again. jeez. honestly, this show is the only thing that can make me happy. and i found this site because i was really deepy in love with lost, as funny as it sounds. i wondered if it was possible for someone to hate lost, so ityped in lostsucks ingoogle and found this. the reasons are a joke. shaky camera? pushing the button? have fun watching lost for the reamining 3 seasons. i guess im one of the lucky ones that can watch lost and get spiritually reenergized.
Good one johnny. You really showed us.
*this show is the only thing that can make me happy*
yikes
Yeah no kidding. Even drug addiction has more fulfillment than Lost.
“honestly, this show is the only thing that can make me happy.”
What a pointless life you must have if an hour long pile of crap is the only thing that makes you happy
“i wondered if it was possible for someone to hate lost”
thanks for the laugh!
You showed us… im glad u took a bit of time out of your busy schedule to “teach us a lesson” and enlighten us. really, thanks… thank you so much…douche..
Your statement is erroneous, Johnny. You’re coming from the standpoint that this is a fansite and we’re raining on your parade. Go immediately to your local library and find a textbook on logic and reasoning so you can learn how to pick your battles and then present them in an organized fashion. Yes the Internet is a free forum, but why reveal your psychological shortcomings to the world by coming to a site that obviously holds no charm for you and being combative? Nobody invited you to this party, so why don’t you run home to the official Lost fansite. I’m sure they miss you.
Quite possibly the worst episode in the history of television. Definitely establishes a new low for the series. At least the ping pong episode was funny in a ludicrous sort of way. This episode was so formulaic you could actually see the chemical symbols hovering like a ghost in the corner of the screen.
Vile, putrid, rancid, stank. Chunks have never been blown this far. Cookies have never been tossed so violently. We are all…ALL of us…dumber for having seen this episode. I award the writers 10 points on the LOST suck-o-meter, and may God have mercy on their souls.
This was good television. The blind twists made it interesting. First, you don’t know if Juliet’s flashback is actually a flashforward. Is she one of the Oceanic 6? She says she’s a celebrity. No, it’s a flashback to when she first got on the island. OK, that was a mini-cliffhanger with instant gratification that kept the viewers on the edge of their seats. A+ television writing. Viewers are hooked.
Charlotte and Faraday escape the beach. The show moves along quickly with another mystery. Why did they leave? The show has a “MacGuffin” that will drive the episode. Masterful. Jack organizes a search party. We have momentum.
In Juliet’s flashbacks we see how see becomes involved with Goodwin and how Ben sent Goodwin off in hopes that Goodwin dies. This brilliantly intertwines plot points we have already scence. This takes staggering writing skill to bring everything all together like this. Plus we learn new information that drives the plot forward: Ben has a crush on Juliet and he’s sinister about it. This adds more thread to the tapestry of Ben’s character, and it gives previous interactions between him and Juliet in past episodes a richness that makes the whole LOST narrative even more compelling than before. Remember how Ben treated Juliet when she was questioning Jack in Season 3? The LOST writers seem to have a master-plan, or they are masters at weaving new threads into previous plots as the show matures, or both.
This show has a MAJOR payoff in the form of telling us who commissioned the tanker.
I don’t know what else you could expect from fictional television.
I think Condor is far more clever than we’ve given him (her) credit for. Indeed, I now believe that Condor is writing at the very ethereal heights of facetiousness. Look at that line, “This take staggering writing skill to bring everything all together like this.” Tyler couldn’t put that any better in a haze of NyQuil-induced sarcasm. I think Condor is a master at “weaving new threads” into the ongoing conversation about this hideous wreck of a show that might’ve been great in the hands of actually talented people. So, there, I’ve said it. Condor, welcome to the group! You do see the light, after all!
I have to agree a bit…
Nico - you were doing so well with this ruse but that post was a little heavy handed. Up until now we have actually believed you were a moronic devotee but you are showing yourself too much in your alter ego…
or maybe that was the point…hmmmmm
Stop deluding yourself. I don’t know what you can expect more from television. LOST is entertaining, pure and simple. We’re not looking for realism, here. We’re looking for a fantastic adventure, and LOST delivers that.
Great moments:
Moment 1. “it’s safer for you if I don’t tell you” - I can see the writer’s meeting where this one was thought up:
guy 1: We’re running out of reason’s to have these people trekking through the woods
guy 2: Why don’t we just have one character tell the other that she knows why they are trekking through the jungle but that she pinky swore not to tell
guy 1: Great idea…but hey, even better would be if she couldn’t tell because it’s “DAAAAAANGEROUS”
guy 2: Dude, that’s money
Moment 2: Oh, rabbit for dinner - “was there a number on that”
OH MY GOD - I just felt my peep start to get hard - they clumsily referenced something from a previous episode to provide the illusion of continuity… brilliant writing
Moment 3: Ben is bad, no he’s good, no he’s bad…now he’s in a love triangle…awaiting the manage a trois episode with jack, ben and juliette - likely the season finale.
Ben is apparently an omniscient, invincible character that “will win” the war with the boat people and then come after Juliet and Jack.
Here’s an idea for next week’s episode - someone kills Ben and we move on with our lives.
*they clumsily referenced something from a previous episode to provide the illusion of continuity… brilliant writing*
they did it several times, and each time it seemed forced. the show isn’t “clever” just b/c they show us the scene of the plane breaking apart in the sky ( for the ??? time), this time adding yet another smidge of nothing - ben glancing at goodwin ominously.
why do we care that ben had a crush on juliet? (we sort of knew already yah? I still don’t care) or that he knew she was bangin’ goodwin? or that he sent goodwin to die…maybe?
goodwin was an insignficant character in season 2 when AnaL killed him…why should I care about him in a flashback when he was a bit part to begin with and I already know he’s dead???
Yeah, the other one I just remembered was Goodwin saying to Juliet (i think while they were on the beach having their romantic interlude):
in reference to something she was surprised that he had:
…”yeah, I found it in the sub”
OMG!!! He talked about the sub…remember the sub? last season they had a sub!!!
The line was recited as if the script said:
Goodwin: …yeah, I found it in (ad lib here remembering to allude to something that has previously happened in the show - die hard fans will think it is pertinent)
With a little more imagination on the actor’s part, that line could have ended up being:
…”yeah, I found it in a pile of the smoke monster’s stool”
Now THAT would have been classic television
ha! what a true LOL moment that could have been.
maybe he’d find pieces of Mr. Eko in the poop!
Yeah, anyone want to tell me why Eko had to die (other than quitting)? Why do people on Lost have a selective memory??
People on Lost have a selective memory because they’re not people; they’re game pieces in some idiotic fantasy of those who’ve created this unfortunate mess.
yeah exactly, they are pawns, but other shows at least try to explain motivation. Lost just does it with vague statements, or better yet, doesn’t explain them at all, people just run through the jungle.
For everyone who gets mad when they “trek” through the jungle: The show takes place on an Island that has a jungle on it. So to get anywhere on the island they can either walk around the shore, or walk through the jungle. So unless you want the people to stay stationary and never leave the beach they will be walking around in the jungle. I dont have a problem with this. For this episode though I agree it did suck and to bring up a point I made earlier: EVERYONE can track people again in this episode, I hate that.
they do have a mini-bus…and given the casts’ inability to find all the operable facilities (despite their trekking), I think it’s only a matter of time until they find the DHARMA refinery in working order. then they’ll have plenty of petrol for driving through the jungle…this also gives jibes with Joe Kellogg’s analogy!!!
wasn’t it great how the rain started to pout the second they started their trek?
Mrs. Meister
The issue is not that they trek through the jungle, the problem is: 1) they spend countless hours showing them doing it, 2) there rarely seems to be a good reason why they are out in the jungle in the first place, 3) when they finally arrive at their destination, nothing ever happens, and 4) there’s polar bears and a smoke monster out there! (ahhh, remember when they used to be scared to roam around out in the jungle.)
Plenty of shows take place in the city but it’s not like they spend a large portion of each episode showing the characters driving from one place to the next. No…they leave their apartment, they arrive at work (or the store, or whatever) AND SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS!!
ah, stickman. so naive…that is exactly what makes LOST so much better than every other TV show: it actually shows you how the characters arrive at their destination.
btw…a little nit here, but…
jack and juliet trekking through the jungle, they pass point A, jack’s confused, says “it should be here” (or something). they double back 15 feet and “OMG, KATE!”. did he see her when he walked right by just a second ago??
Not everyone can track… Juliet knew where the station was, Kate could always track, and Jack just followed along.
Station appeared to be right by the coast. You’d think they would have searched all along the coast in their first few days and found the station. But then, this is Lost.
Actually, Juliet knew where the Tempest was.
What I wanted to do after watching this episode (besides vomit in the sink) was find a DVD of season two to watch the plane crash scene again to see if Mrs. Goodwin was in that scene at the village. Does anyone know? God, I hope she’s not, because if so, that proves those morons are making this up as it goes along. Yet, I assume she is because as stupid as the writers are, they can’t be THAT stupid, can they?
So, forget the children for now. Here are some questions I have after tonight’s fiasco (was that, or was that not, one of the dullest episodes of tv this year?):
First, and I love asking this question, when they’re tramping through the jungle at night in a rain storm, WHERE IS THAT OVERHEAD LIGHT COMING FROM???? God, that’s stupid!
Second, why does Locke make deals with a psychopath who has already shot him in the gut and left him for dead??? Why can’t he at least crack him the jaw? And why did NO ONE think to search that little house (after knowing it had a secret passage) and find the safe??? That’s ridiculous.
Third: Why are the women in this show so dumb??? Kate sweet talks those idiots into opening the goofy dude’s bag, and has no expectation of being thumped in the skull? Come on! And worse, that total sociopath birth lady, knowing there are TWO people in the plant, still confronts goofy dude at the computer without (apparently) ANY expectation of the curly chick jumping her from behind. That is unbelievable, as usual. More to the point, it’s really bad writing — as usual.
Fourth: How come, on such a big island (”we have to walk all night to get there”), people are always running across each other? Come off it! You could send twenty people criss-crossing that island all day long and they might never see each other at all! But, at night, in the rain??? And where did Mrs. G go? Did she become invisible??? No way would they not have see or heard her go. No way!!! I guess she beamed in and beamed out.
Fifth: why was sociopathic birth dame wearing lipstick and eyeshadow? What’s up with that? She looked weird. Of course, that’s probably why all her patients were dying; she was spending too much time in the bathroom getting herself ready for the day. ie, banging Mr. G, a revelation I didn’t need to hear about.
Anyhow, this episode proved to me once again how awful the writers are, how idiotic and shallow and trite their imaginations are. So why do my wife and I watch this show if we hate it so much? Probably because we like the Hawaiian island setting and we’re always hoping something worth seeing might actually happen. I’ll tell you this: I first watched Lost by seeing season one on DVD. After viewing second two on regular TV, we bought the DVDs of that season and I watched them. BUT I did the FF through all the flashbacks and dull stuff which allowed me to watch most episodes in about ten minutes and a disc full of four in about half an hour! So far, I bet I could see all this season’s worth material in maybe ten minutes.
“Second, why does Locke make deals with a psychopath who has already shot him in the gut and left him for dead??? Why can’t he at least crack him the jaw? And why did NO ONE think to search that little house (after knowing it had a secret passage) and find the safe??? That’s ridiculous.”
Well, it has been the theme for awhile now and my willful suspension of disbelief has been taxed.
They’ve, like, NEVER really explored anything EVER. How the dead chick noticed the other cameras in the observation station and everybody was like ‘WOW why didn’t I think about that?!?’ ‘Oh yeah, it’s this busy hectic schedule preventing me from exploring this utterly crazy shit going down left and right.’ ‘Oh wait, no it isn’t, I’M STRANDED ON A FUCKING ISLAND, how else am I going to pass the time than explore?’
It seems that nobody has even once compared notes, when there should be a round table discussion every night about what they know or have seen or have found out. FUCK, even the lord of the flies kids were more organized than this!!!!!!
It’s clearly my biggest gripe when it comes to lazy writing, along with it’s brother, the:
character 1: ‘OMG THE CRAZIEST SHIT JUST HAPPENED!?!?’
character 2 : “Ok”
1 : “…”
2: : “…”
1: “Well aren’t you going to ask me in detail the who what when etc etcs!?!”
2: “No, doesn’t seem important right now”
1: “Ok, well, cool. I’m not going to volunteer any information either, i’ll just end with more ominous and esoteric sentence fragment.”
FUCK
Brilliant.
That is exactly my single biggest issue with this stupid show: No one says anything he or she would ever really say, and no one does anything he or she would ever really do. Lost is more like a board game than a novel or an epic adventure, and its characters are more like game pieces than real people. Simple case in point: Way back when smoke monster caught, I believe, Jack, Locke, and Kate in the jungle and Locke was almost sucked down underground but wanted Kate to let him go, they pulled him out and ran, and when they were clear, rather than asking, “What the fuck WAS that smoke thing???” they asked, “Why did you want us to let you go?” Shut up!!! No one would have asked that question first!!! No one!!! Except the stupid writers on this show. Yet on it goes episode after stupid episode.
Actually, they already knew about the smoke monster.
In case you haven’t noticed, everything on television, including reality television, is different from how people would react in real life.
It’s what makes it entertaining.
Well, we’re in agreement on one thing, most television sucks apparently, if ‘different from how people would react in real life’ is par for the course.
But srsly, ask any thinking person and they will tell you that if a story and it’s characters (and this applies to movies and books as well) don’t make logical sense, even the logical sense with itself that would exist in an alternate fictional universe, it all falls apart. This has been analyzed in depth for thousands of years and is practically a scientific truth of writing fiction for any medium. The audience’s willful suspension of disbelief can’t be abused.
The point you miss is that all great fiction, even the most wildly post-modern and fantastical, does exactly this, make sense and will adhere to a logical continuity. In short, it is ‘how people would reactin real life.’ Your observations speak more about the state of television and the fact that writing a long work of fiction and maintaining the llogical continuity is so rare because, guess what, IT’S FUCKING HARD TO DO!
Exploring the island. Yes, perhaps, truly, the dumbest thing that HASN’T happened on this show. Especially when we were shown the OTHER island, because there is no way in the world that French chick wouldn’t have seen it after all her time on the island, nor can we really believe that when Sayid and Jin and Sun were on the boat that they wouldn’t have seen it, either. Christ, are they telling me that not ONE person in that beach crowd would’ve packed up some supplies and explored the island??? Hey, get real! How would they know, otherwise, that it was really an island, and not the peninsula of a larger land? You’d want to explore. You HAVE to explore!!! And, in doing so, you’d find all this shit we’ve had to shown to us now since day one. The lack of logical exploration is, perhaps, the single stupidest thing on this show. Except for everything else.
NEWS FLASH:
Sayid did explore the island in Season 1.
No, he didn’t. If he had, he would’ve discovered the Dharma hatches and the Others’ village and the smaller island. He only got partway down the beach before he tracked the wire inland and got snared by Frenchie. I doubt he saw ten percent of the island. Go back to your basement and review the tapes.
Sayid is the worst explorer since I discovered the back yard. That fucking moron walked down the end of the resort beach and then gave up and came back. You think someone with intelligence would at last try to walk around the island? How hard is that?
And you think he might have discovered the giant subdivision or docks, or the power station or the intel house or whatever other bullshit names we’re making up for places (I predict the Snowbird or the Soul will be next).
Why would someone want to explore the entire island, if, as you keep reminding us, there are dangerous smoke monsters and others lurking everywhere?
Yes, Sayid did run into Rousseau, and that changed his plans a little. Wouldn’t you hurry back to the camp if you bumped into a strange French woman who had been on the island for years?
I’d want to explore the island just to get away from Jack’s simpering conversation and Kate’s psychpathic tendencies. Oh yeah, and to avoid having Fatboy fall on me or Sawyer give me a stupid nickname. Any or all of those are more than reason enough to risk the smoke thing, whatever it’s supposed to be. Besides, I could just stay along the shore where smokey never seems to appear anyhow. And isn’t that what Sayid would’ve done? Walk along the shore? Look, gang, they HAD to walk the shore to see if they were even on an island? But, of course, that’s something REAL characters would do, not game pieces.
Ok, to be fair, it DOES make perfect sense that Sayid would stop exploring after getting kidnapped and give up, for a number of reasons in general and that related to his character. That’s fine, and that happened in season 1 when the show was great and had much potential.
However, what about anybody else, especially the 20 something non-speaking extras?
Ok, fine, there are monsters and phantoms and others, OH MY out there. Makes sense… But, why does everybody saunter through the jungle so nonchalantly then? Srsrly, why has nobody had a nervous breakdown from the stress?
The problem was, at least in my opinion, this logical discontinuity didn’t really become clear until practically the 3rd season. Season 2 was largely the tailies and the tone of them, their fear and stress, seemed much more accurate and floated things for awhile… Unfortunately, their story created an even starker contrast with the original crew and their golf matches and sunbathing and the nonsensical nature of their complacency became to much to ignore.
I am glad you brought up Rousseau.
Rousseau was the first sign that we weren’t going to find anything out in this show.
Sayid is, ostensibly, an INTELLIGENCE OFFICER, and yet he doesnt really try to get any information out of Rousseau (whose craziness seems pretty variable, anywhere from shit eating to totally not crazy). Instead it’s like:
Sayid: hey tell me some shit about the island
Rousseau: I’m going to become totally non lucid now and give you bupkis
Sayid: Oh in that case, I won’t press you or torture you like I normally do, I’ll simply return back to base camp and give up all hopes of every discovering anything.
“how else am I going to pass the time than explore?’ ”
This has been one of my big questions: “How the heck does Danielle spend 16 years on this island and yet, does not seem to know a heck of a lot of what is happening?!!!”
My answer would be: She DOES know a lot of what is going on, but is just not telling the main characters (the plane crash survivoes), in which case, why do they keep trusting her, if she is NOT telling them everything she know??
Just more of the “lack” of curiosity from the characters…..
yah, it’s more apparent the writers think little of viewers when they use a lazy ‘pistol-whip’ tactic twice in the same episode.
while I’m at it…wtf is wrong with these people? they try to show us convincing ‘love stories’ between people who’ve known each other 100 days or less…? which maybe isn’t so far fetched, except that they all seem to be in love with their 2nd or 3rd person already.
it’s like ‘real world - LOST’, but we don’t even get to see naked chicks in a hot tub or a bunch of drunks arguing over who drank the last red bull.
Lol, oh man, that’s gold.
Propinquity / proximity is one of the necessary agreements for romance. You try not to fall in love with attractive women if you’re marooned on an island and