Season 4 R.I.P.
I dont even know where to start with this “season finale”. It was pretty much a suck fest of epic proportions. You had the classic “should we cut the red wire or green wire” bomb scene. The “we have to lighten the load” scene. This was the dumbest way to get Sawyer off the helicopter that I could have possibly imagine. That they could even put that in there with a straight face is staggering. Not to mention the steller dialouge like Ben saying “you killed my daughter!” Wow. Of course more gun cocking, slow motion violin filled walking sequences, etc….
So we find out that Locke is in the casket. Didn’t we pretty much already guess that? Where does that leave us this season. Well, pretty much where it left of last season, Jack saying they have to go back. Which is exactly how season 3 ended. So what was the point of season 4? Discuss….
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Perhaps even more staggering was the scene where Ben climbs down into the frozen cave and cranks the magical wheel to “move” the island (whatever thats supposed to mean). When the wheel started glowing I seriously started laughing out loud. Was there supposed to be some ridiculous lost symbolism interjected there that I was missing or was it just stupid? Also, the effect created by turning the wheel was strangely similar to the magnetic thing that went off at the end of season 2… cheap.
I also thought it was outright hilarious that they brought that army guy back when we thought he was dead. When that happened I was like seriously? I can just see the writers sitting around not knowing what to write next…then one of them jumps up and says ” I know. We’ll bring that dude back from the dead! I bet that will really surprise everyone!” Remember eye patch guy?…enough said.
Developments in this episode put the final nail in the coffin that everything on “Lost” can be explained through normal scientific principles—which is what the show-runners have promised us since Season 1.
I’m big enough to admit that the finale didn’t suck nearly as bad as the other episodes this season, but one o.k. episode doesn’t make up for all the other crap.
And Tyler’s right about the stunningly bad cliches. That “lighten the load” helicopter nonsense was absolutely awful. And of course Sawyer had to whisper something mysterious to Kate just to titillate the feeble-minded trolls who will be posting about it all summer.
> That “lighten the load” helicopter
> nonsense was absolutely awful.
And pointless.
Isn’t a good pilot supposed to do a walk around to check the helicopter for damage before taking off?
Paul.
whats the pronounciation and meaning of your name raptusregaliter?
Raptus (RAP-tus) Regaliter (Ree-GAL-ih-tur) is Latin for “raped by the regal.” In common parlance, it means “royally screwed.”
im pretty sure the producers/writers never promised that everything could be explained scientificly, that was ABC’S little take on the show.
The writers have often said that that everything on the show revolves around Pseudoscience and the phenomenons that accompany it.
The show-runners did say during the first season that everything that happened on the island could be explained scientifically.
Since then, they’ve dissembled nonstop.
When he went in the cave, I half expected his power animal to be a penguin that would say “Slide!” It really would not have surprised me.
WHAT A LET DOWN!
Lost used to be one of the best shows ever created. What the hell were they thinking? The season 4 finale, if you could call it that, was so awful I am still in shock. Moving the Island!? I knew the idea was stupid when I heard it a few episodes ago, but I had faith that they would figure out a good way to pull it off. What did they end up doing? having ben climb into some magical Narnia tunnel and Turn the magic wheel until the island disappeared. Give me a break!
And what about the explosion? Talk about shitty graphics, I thought I was looking at an N64 game.
Common Lost writers, this is an ALL TIME LOW for you guys. I just hope the last 2 seasons of the show are as good as the first two were.
That elctronic interference sound effect was just as bad. Not only does a magical donkey wheel allow the island to move, but it creates a cheap low budget sound effect as well.
I think its probably the weakest finale and the frozen donkey wheel was fucking lame, but it was still a really good episode
Conan the Barbarian pushed a donkey wheel…
Chihuahua handbag dogs, 3rd world adopted babies, pricey fossil art are so yesterday in L.A.
Diamond studded frozen donkey wheels, now you’re talking, baby!
so season 4 is essentially the opposite of season 3. in season 3, we had a year of stagnation with 90% of the plot crammed into the finale. in season 4, we had wayyyyy too much going on and a finale that was completely predictable based on the preceding episode that did not move the plot much at all.
i wonder what hurley was thinking when sawyer jumped out of the helicopter. how selfish can someone feel i wonder? now he could have jumped out instead to lighten the load, and the tidal wave he caused would have moved the island as well. two birds, one stone. (
“two birds, one stone” would also be condoleeza rice’s slogan if she were to run for president, but i digress.
too funny.
Mrs. Meister
Still laughing over the Hurley comment. If he jumped off they could have probably flown that thing over to the next continent.
“…now he could have jumped out instead to lighten the load, and the tidal wave he caused would have moved the island as well…”
that is by far the funnies comment i have ever read on this site!
Hehe, indeed.
So by turning the magic donkey wheel Ben ends up in Morocco, right (cos of his jacket and wounded arm)?
Not only in Morocco, but like two years later. So, turn the wheel, island “moves”, you’re transported through time and space. Yeah, explain that scientists.
I hadn’t much hope going in to the epi, but, man oh man, that was really bad. Unlike Tyler, was surprised to see Locke in the casket. I really didn’t expect it to be him.
All the future dialog between Jack & Kate, blah blah blah. Snooze fest. And what about Claire. Is she pregnant or something? She really picked up some weight.
When they showed Sawyer & Botox on the beach I asked why you couldn’t see the helicopter flying. The ship just exploded and the helicopter was right there supposedly flying back to the island. We could clearly see the ship, so why no helicopter. And how far did Sawyer swim? Minutes ago they couldn’t even find the ship, now Sawer has somehow made it all the way in to shore, right where Botox is I might add. Just plain bad writing.
The epi last night was so bad, that to go in to all the ways it was awful would take up way too much space, so I will just highlight the Sawyer jump from the plane, swim really far, really fast, all the while the beach can’t see the helicopter even thought they can see the ship, Sawyer emerges like a Baywatch preview, btw, when did he have time to remove jis shirt in all that?
Anyway, I honestly think this is my last post. I cannot imagine watching another epi, especially being that we see no more until 2009. Surely I’ll fill this time slot of my life with something better by then. It was fun. Thanks for all the laughs. Thanks for this great site Tyler, you, LMeister and all my e-buddies made this show worth watching for a couple seasons longer than it deserved.
Mrs. Meister
You have to come back. Give it 6 months and you’ll be ready for more self abuse again!
i saw either you or the mr. meister made a comment on the fuselage, which was abruptly edited by the moderator. isn’t that such bullshit? I always leave comments and observations on that site and they always delete them because they don’t like hearing the truth of the show they hold in such high esteem. But anyway, it was great reading your thoughts, i really hope you’re back next season, you’re already 2/3 done with the series, you gotta stick it out and go down with the ship
Yeah, it was me (Mr.) who left the comment “Lost sucks and so do you” as I was so tired of reading those imbeciles gush over this ridiculous episode. I knew they would delete it, the pricks that they are, but I am pleased that some folks saw it and that it ticked them off. What a bunch of losers
Too right. It was also unrealistic how they only started losing fuel several minutes into the flight and not after the gun battle. Also, they knew there was a dingy, so they could just have set the chopper down on the island, repaired it, and used the dingy to bring a fuel tank.
::puke::
a few observations/random thoughts…
disclaimer: i haven’t watched every episode this season. still, after watching last night it seems i haven’t really missed a thing
1. the most disingenuous part of this show remains the producers’ claim that everything that happens “can be explained by science”. to which i’d reply, “whose science?!?!” pretending for a moment an island can disappear, having a wooden wheel as the mechanism is about the most ridiculous un-sciency explanation i can imagine (actually, i suppose having ben fart the island away would be more absurd).
2. the writers are obviously Dungeons & Dragons geeks. some characters are more frail than others . spray bullets randomly and one grazes an ‘extra’ on the knee, they die a spaztic death (they obviously have fewer hit points). shoot a ‘primary character’ in the back several times at close range (or throw them into a sonic death fence, or remove their appendix or a tumor off their spine, or give them a fatal gut shot) and they’re sure to be up and about in no time.
3. as tyler observed, we seem to be in the same place we were after LAST season’s finale!!! which is why i think this show is more about HOW the story unfolds than WHERE it leads. i hate that shit… it’s like working for a boss who wants to edit your emails to make sure you use the correct font, but doesn’t care about what the email says or to whom it’s addressed. this show has always seemed preoccupied with telling us the HOW (through flashbacks, flashforwards, etc.) with the direction of the story seemingly only a secondary concern. like, “we’ll move the plot forward and answer some questions eventually, but in the meantime, here’s another shot of jack’s beard in the future!!! and anther slo’ mo’ walking scene!!! pay no attention to that empty space where a plot should be!!!”
4. lastly, i had “locke in the coffin” as a long shot. but then again, i didn’t really care. this was one of the most manufactured ‘mysteries’ on this show or any other!! i’ve found it really curious how so many other questions have been raised (and unanswered) since the beginning, and yet somehow this became as big a mystery as the second shooter on the grassy knoll. besides, was anyone really surprised to see locke a) off the island, or b) dead, given how often dead people seem to be hanging around, is dead even dead? why bother??
edit: i will give the show some credit…
a) i do think the creators/writers, etc have a plan, and probably have all along. the replay of the scene with jack and kate at the airport was obviously cut from the season 3 finale, which to me indicates they thought about using that last 30 seconds of the scene in some future episode when they shot it last season. of course, those 30 seconds were of no consequence, but it shows some forthought i think .
b) i like ben’s character. he’s probably the most consistent, and least annoying, and has developed a complexity the other characters lack. and he has a sense of humor (e.g. the last scene in the funeral home, “I hear you take flights hoping they’ll crash. that’s dark, jack”)
So was Locke’s painstakingly detailed biography was a fake before this episode? He is really someone else? If I understood the last Dharma tape correctly they moved the island either foreward or backward in time. Locke couldn’t find the flower elevator but the greiviously wounded Rambo guy could? The mysterious powers wouldnt let Michael set off the first bomb or shoot himself but gave permission for Rambo’s armpit switch to kill Jin and and an apparently superfolous freighter crew? Yes Hurley should have jumped off the chopper. Could some just not have reached out the door and put their finger over the bullet hole in the chopper fuel tank? Then the pilot patches it with duct tape? The core of the island is composed of an “exotic” material that enables time travel? “Exotic” probably means “from outer space” so that probably means the “others” are space aliens except for the gay guy in New York. Unless they are gay aliens.
and if Ben was going to move the island why did he even send Locke to find the flower elevator? He should have just said, “Locke, you stand here and hit yourself in the head with this rock until I get back.”
LOL - best comment!!! 10 out of 10
Bwahahaha, good one.
No; exotic matter is a “real” scientific postulate. It has negative mass and could be used to keep wormholes open.
and the donkey wheel? that’s part of the postulate?
c’mon ‘tard. you speak of wormholes as if THEY aren’t theoretical.
if we’re opening up “explainable by science” to anything ‘known’ or theoretical, then it’s sci-fi. and that’s fine, just don’t wag your toungue about it being scienctific.
I made no such claim.
I was merely pointing out the term “exotic matter” meant.
good points all. the littany of ridiculousness goes on and on…
I try (anymore) not to dwell on the nitpicky shit, however dumb or unbelievable. it’s the main premise (everything can be explained by science, if you believe in aliens!!!) and the lazy production tricks (again with the slo’ mo’ walking scene to end the episode?!??!) that irk the most. though, even ‘irk’ is too strong as I really just don’t care anymore.
I think the season 3 ending was re-used because it was convenient and fit in again by chance. I noticed an ad instructing viewers to watch the alternate endings online!
Yeah, there’s no plan.
“Lastly, i had “locke in the coffin” as a long shot. but then again, i didn’t really care.”
I would like to second this, hardly one of the bigger questions I had about the show. In fact I forgot about it up until last night it meant that much to me. How about we start the First episode’s question. Where the hell are we guys?
I’d be happy with that.
I was absolutely certain that the Locke-in-a-coffin moment would conclude with Locke’s eyes snapping open as the final shot of the season. It would have fit in perfectly with the other finale cliches, but I guess they needed to hold onto something for next season.
I have been reading this fine site for awhile now and it never fails to make me giggle. It is probably the only reason I watch this mess any more.
Couple of points to banter about:
Where did Botox get the booze? I can’t imagine she knew about it and never said, “this place sucks and I am going to go get loaded”.
I know it’s a tired question but where are all of the kids? Looks like all of the Other’s were set up at Camp Locke when Daddy came “home” but not a kid in site. How many did they snag off of the beach? Weren’t there other kids in the original scenes from the cabins? Potential Plot for next season: The Others are space alien cannibals that like to dress up in dirty clothes for no reason and they have a taste for young children. Would be as legit as the rest of the nonsense they keep rolling out.
Mentioned earlier but had to notice Claire packing on some pounds. One of the hottest in the show and it looks like she has been bellying up to the Dharma buffet a time or two. Is the actress that plays her pregnant or does she just need to put down the fork?
The Dharma kids are all playing around the giant 4-toed statue, which has also been missing-in-action ever since it was introduced.
i noticed Claire had gained weight too, I guess thats why they have been hiding her if she is pregnant in real life.
i noticed Claire had gained weight too, I guess thats why they have been hiding her if she is pregnant in real life.
When Desmond and the heroes get rescued, why the fuck doesn’t Desmond ask Penny:
1. What the fuck is your dad doing sending soldiers to kill us?
2. How the fuck did your dad know and obtain our picture to have his crew lie about rescuing us?
I hate moments in the show like this where the plot could infallibly be advanced if the characters would actually talk rationally.
Ummm… he’s been on the island (without female contact) for over 3 years. The bad daddy talk will be had later but first…
“I hate moments in the show like this where the plot could infallibly be advanced if the characters would actually talk rationally.”
I ditto that my brother.
It also looked like Penny had gone through a time warp because that ho looked like she aged 10 years since we last saw her.
it wasn’t Penny’s boat.
and it dosen’t take a brain surgeon to realize that probably 99% of what Widmore does Penny probably knows nothing about. Desmond probably knows that better than anyone since, daddy Widmore tried to buy him off.
the helicopter scene had me screaming profanities at the top of my lungs. i simply couldn’t believe the absurdity. there are two bullet holes in the chopper’s gas tank (remember, they mentioned an exit hole). the gas gauge is shown, and the amount of fuel is decreasing at an amount where they’ll be empty in about 15 seconds at the most. so, as if no one in the world could see how the writing would unfold, the pilot starts screaming about lightening the load - throwing cargo off the heli. wtf? say your driving in an automobile and you have two holes in your gas tank that are the size of the roundness of an m&m. your solution is to turn off the AC and to throw your briefcase out the window? pardon my expletive, but this show is fucking ridiculous. so, cue sappy music… sawyer jumps off, and somehow that magically solves the problem of the leaking gas. this show can eat my ass.
Also, was it me or did it look like the chopper went end over end when it hit the water? Well even if it didn’t, it looked like it hit the water pretty hard yet they all come out uninjured, aside from Desmond who has a little bruise on his forehead.
It definitely looked like it took one hell of a beating.
Oh yeah, someone can go ahead and shoot Sun in the temple now. Her overacting has earned her a spot overboard.
I totally agree with that. I was yelling “shut the hell up” by the time the scene was ending. But my favorite part is that she is screaming insanely until Jack the Almighty says “Sun he’s gone” and then, magically, she accepts it. “oh, okay Jack, thanks for clearing that up, I was sure he was alive until you said he was dead. I mean, I thought he might survive with only superficial burns after the entire freighter exploded and sunk in 12 seconds in a firey ball of death, but thanks for talking sense in to me.” What a crock of shit
I had to hit the mute button with her screaming so much. I can’t stand the way they have developed her character now.
I don’t think it was overacting. Maybe in a flood of bullshit plot and bad acting, the good acting seems over-acted. If you just watched you wife/husband explode, you’ll either shutdown into a quiet or erupt like she did (just as examples).
Also, what’s with all the water? Enough with the “I’m going to go get some water” dialogue. These people have better things to do than “go get some water” by now.
And I don’t think we need any more background extras. We get it, there were more people on the plane than just the main characters. The show would do just fine if we never saw any more unrecognizable people in the background setting up tents, moving supplies, or better yet, going to get some water.
Oh come on now.
He used the “water” thing as an excuse to go get Charlotte and Miles. Did you actually watch this episode?
And if there were no extras, you’d be saying, “What, did all the other people disappear?”
They could’ve killed all the extras in the crash in ep 1.
Not doing this was definitely one of the biggest failings in not planning out the plot ahead of time. Obviously you gotta be diligent to not have plotholes and such, and they are usually a result of lazy writing, but that’s one of the more baffling things about Lost. There are so many instances where they could’ve actually avoided plotholes and inconsistencies by taking an easy route.
Plus good god I wish the fat black lady would die already. I don’t mean this as derisive towards blacks or fats, I just can’t remember her name right now.
Exactly. For instance, what was the point of the tape rewinding itself? Okay I get it, they didnt want us to show any more of the orientation video so they’d leave us in the dark, but couldn’t they just have taped over that bit or broken the tape instead of making it do something unexplainable?
but isn’t the weird unexplainable stuff the bread-and-butter for this show? Regardless if this is good or not, it’s the strange, unexplainable phenomena that make this show tick. I’m okay with it, provided they eventually explain, but the way this detail was brushed under the rug, I don’t know if they will ever explain it.
Judging from how the finales have been orchestrated, I think it’s pretty clear now how the Grand Finale will unfold: With everyone back on the island, some ridiculous space/time nonsense will keep the Oceanic airliner from ever crashing in the first place. Any number of little surprises can be worked into this general framework, but it’s either that or some pedestrian, Gilligan’s Island resolution where the castaways are rescued by “normal” means. Since this second alternative has no Wow! factor, I’m going with the Oceanic scenario (also, that’s close to how “The Langoliers” ended, and the producers have been stealing from that Stephen King chestnut for quite a while).
Oh yes, it will suck.
Indeed, I was picking up The Langolier vibe also………………
the ending will probably have the airliner not crashing like you mentioned, and then showing them all go about their lives as if nothing ever happened… but yet somehow they will have some recollection of it.
Exactly.
I think it will either end in the Oceanic 6 all moving back to the island and live happily ever after with the Others, neglecting all unanswered questions as well as the fact that in the first 3 seasons they were killing each other.
Or actually, maybe it’ll end in all main characters dying and fanboys declaring that it is therefore the best show ever.
Actually at this point that’s what I’d like to see. The plane crashes - right on top of Ben - and everyone dies. Fitting finale for one of the biggest wrecks a series has ever become.
If that’s how all this ends, I’ll be just as annoyed as you. I’ll admit, I just found this site, and find it interesting to read how people who dislike the show receive it. I personally quite enjoy it, though I did find quite a few elements of the finale unbelievable in the sense that things that are typically explainable didn’t get explained or were handled poorly. If the ending is using the Orchid or some other mechanism to make the plane never crash, I’ll probably become an avid member of this Lost-hating group.
Bwahahaha awesome! I read that behemoth of a book when I was a kid but only now when you point it out do I notice the ripoffs.
One minor aside… Didn’t the thing in the Langoliers start make everybody smart, or am I thinking of the Tommyknockers?
When Sawyer jumped off the helicopter, he should have been swallowed whole by that shark that almost got him in season 2.
That was terrible-th second worst episode I’ve seen. Bad, BAD writing. Things just happened for no reason.
I hought the first four episodes of the season were great-full of mystery and suprises. And I know that the writer’s strike fucked everything up, but most of this season felt that it was written by jr. high school kids.
I will continue to watch…but I hope the writers and producers start giving us thoughtful shows again
Yes, I think we can all agree, sawyer jumping off the heli was the dumbest scence in lost history. Cartoonish almost.
Now, if Sawyer, upon leaping from the helicopter “jumped” a shark, that would be meaningful.
heh
They promised it would be “breathtaking,” and I have to admit that after Benji turned the cosmic wheel and the island went under with a little “bloop” I was laughing so hard that I couldn’t get my breath for a minute. Kept thinking about the old Saturday Night Live “Bad Theatre” skits they did with Ackroyd as Leonard Pinth-Garnell, and heard him saying “Awful! Horrible! Couldn’t be worse! Couldn’t be worse!!”
1. Tyler this is a great site. 2. I did not read all the posts above me but heres what I hated: The fake cg blowing up of the ship, I felt like I was watching a low budget tv show on the sci fi network. I also hated the fake falling of the helicopter. yuck. Also rambo coming back from the dead was dumb. But overall I did like the episode, but did not love the episode…
The best scene: Miles chewing on nuts. Hurley eating soup cracker.
Worst writer mental masturbation scene: Charlotte has a “secret”.
Worst screaming/louder than the helicopter: Sun
Locke looks like Daddy Warbucks from Annie. Cleans up nice when shave the stubble and put on a suit.
Everything else was generated by sweaty monkeys typing away in a sauna.
They must have used up Botox’s monthly supply of Botox injections to get Locke’s face ready for that last shot.
*Worst writer mental masturbation scene: Charlotte has a “secret”. *
worse still is this is yet another “mystery” about a character we don’t give one shit about!!!! they do that all the time, ‘here’s new character X, we know you have questions about the first dozen, but first, we’ll waste some time introducing new questions about this new character you hate.’
You all are in rare form this week. The comments are excellent! Way, way better than this wormhole of a show!
They introduce this barfed up plot twist with Charlotte and yet a few episodes back the writers were showing us that Ben had a stalker fixation on Juliet. Too many pointless plot arcs that quickly get forgotten. Oh well, it’s hack writers serving up soup-of-the-day.
Not to mention bringing them in just to kill them off 6 episodes later. I knew from the freighter flashback episode this season was going to suck hard. No progress was made at all in the normal storyline -
“we’re going to save you.”
Really?
“No, and our boat exploded.”
“Frank, I hope I never see you again.”
Me TOO.
Most of the things I hated about this episode have already been mentioned many times above so I won’t repeat them. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is the whole time warp thing between the island and the ship. After the episode where they mentioned it, they showed a number of helicopter trips back and forth and no mention of the bearings etc. Last night when they’re flying out, they’re pretty going all over the place and they found the ship - what happened to the time warp then? So when they’re leaking fuel the time stuff decides to go away.
The stuff they brought up about Desmond’s “powers” really didn’t factor into the season. Once again they introduced a new set of characters this season, only to have them quickly killed off at the end.
Even though the episode was garbage, all I see on message boards everywhere is “THAT WAS THE BEST EPISODE EVER!” and people who say they are going to wonder about how Locke died all summer. Just as Lame as the frozen donkey wheel.
Pretty much. It seems the “physics” they introduced in the show are only used when it’s convenient for the writers.
I think at this point it’s impossible for someone with half a brain to believe the writers are doing a good job. The first 2 seasons were good because the number of mystery and fantasy elements was limited… but now they’ve gone all out in retardness in a quest to keep people “interested” and it has produced this trainwreck of a storyline.
Even the acting has gotten terrible. Everytime Ben is on screen all we see is him staring at people with his big eyes and saying something creepy. Jack has become a parody of himself, Hurley doesn’t even look like he’s trying anymore, Sun is the acting equivalent of stabbing your dick with a fork, etc.
It’s a shame really because the show had good premise… I could live with season 3… but season 4 forever tainted this franchise with horror.
I’ll still watch for the same reason as you, Tyler: to find out how bad this can get.
“Everytime Ben is on screen all we see is him staring at people with his big eyes and saying something creepy.”
I had to lol reading that.
I don’t think this assessment is entirely fair. Some of what happened this season is theoretically possible; and actually, in an interview that was run in Popular Mechanics, Damon and Carlton did admit that they were doing some moving away from practical physics, which I’m fine with.
I’d say, however, that the first two seasons had a lot of mystery/fantasy elements–especially season two. Every episode (especially in the hatch) had quite a few new questions and mysterious things added to it. This season has only introduced a few mysteries: the new characters (most of whom we don’t know much about, and I’ll agree were not handled that well), the time flux on the island, and the whole move-the-island thing, which I’m willing to accept for now until we see how it’s handled. That’s the thing with big moves like that: I think a lot of people think they’re going to fail because they very often do; but I think you have to wait and see how it is handled before you really pass judgment, don’t you think?
I’ll acknowledge, however, that this finale did have quite a few holes. It was kinda like a slice of Swiss cheese, even.
someone needs to give this show a frozen donkey punch…
I like how the others, most having been presumably killed in Season 3 by Sun [Colleen], Juliet[Pickett], Patchy[Ms. Klugh] [Gretta and Bonnie, the Looking Glass girls], Desmond[Patchy] and the three “Rambos” (Jin, Sayid, and Bernard) who killed Tom, Price + 8 other others, have regenerated their numbers and are now strong enough to trick US Marine-trained mercenaries into the jungle while taking them down with inferior firepower and have no casualties.
So let me get this: in the 30 or so days that took place on the island in season 3, the Lost castaways kill about 20 or so others, but the mercenaries are all taken out in about five minutes by an obvious trap. Great writing!!!
Lost “lost” credibility of being a truly scientific show long ago, but the island moving has totally done them in. Sure, the smoke monster that sometimes kills people was a start, Desmond surving the hatch implosion after turning the key was a continuation, the time travel business doesn’t have much scientific backing, but now that the island is “lost” in time/space, I’m half-expecting to see Jack’s dead father receive an occuring role. Oh wait, that’s already happened. I could go on for minutes about how bad some of the writing has been, how many plot holes have developed with the increasingly rediculous occurences of the show, how loose ends are never tied up, etc.
It’s a shame. From Season 2’s beginning to where we are now. The writing has devolved to the extreme I want the writers to go back on strike. The flashforwards were a good idea, but now that we know Locke is in the casket, any scenes up to the point of his death are melodramatic. Same with any of the O6 that were in “danger” this season. We all knew Jack would survive his appendix operation, we all knew Kate and Ben wouldn’t be shot by the mercenaries, we knew Sayid wouldn’t be overtaken by Keamy in their battle, we knew there was no way Hurley’s fat ass would jump from the chopper, and Aaron might be the toughest ten-week old in the history of the world, surviving a fall of that magnitude.
With the show jumping shark like it has, it makes you wonder why ABC persuaded the writers not to show the 4-toed statue in this season.
*Black smoke monster that spontaneously shows up to create intense drama, and can be summoned by Ben’s secret secret room- OK
*Ghosts/Visions of dead relatives - OK
*Crazy French lady living on the island for 16 years never having once seen an other or a Dharma Station, all of which are seen by our castaways in three months- OK
*Time travel paradoxes from island to freighter, but only when convenient because in the season finale we need multiple chopper flights from island to boat
*Extremely high death rate for minor characters, yet Sawyer has been stabbed/shot multiple times and still lives and is fine- OK
*The movement of the island due to a frozen wheel under a sheet of ice in a secret tunnel behind an underground Dharma station that can only be accessed by a hidden elevator disguised by a greenhouse- OK
* But a 4 toed statue that merely shows there was an ancient dwelling of peoples on the island, something that aforementioned secret rooms have shown in their heiroglyphics, now that would be over-the-top. (?)
ONE POSITIVE before I leave. Due to where we are at the end of Season 4, Season 5 could start anywhere, and go anywhere, so it should be good and mysterious, but I hope the writers quit trying to get overly sensational, simplify the story by explaining Dharma, the others and the true powers of the island, not crazy sci-fi “move the island” bullshit.
They have to lose the flash fowards. There was no suspense in the season finale. We knew who was getting off the island and how just seemed inevitable. I don’t care about what horrible things happened on the island or why Locke died.
I somehow believed that a black flume of smoke could kill people. But I think they jumped the shark with the magice wheel that moves islands. (plural) The season 3 island moved too.
It sucks for anyone on the motor boat…they’re screwed.
I almost wasn’t going to comment because this show ending was so stupid, but I couldn’t help myself. Let’s be honest here: the season one ending with the hatch was fun, as was the season two ending with Ben kidnapping the beach gang. Last season with Jack’s flash forward was, well, interesting. Dumb, but interesting. This season was monstrous. The shootout at the OK Chopper was ridiculous — why would the mercs wander into the brush to be killed? And wouldn’t the Other gang just pick them off in the jungle? And where were the Others to kill Rambo when he ran out of the trap? And, as someone else pointed out, why didn’t pilot see the leak or check for something damage? The answer is that we needed some reason to get Sawyer off the chopper. Think about it. Why else? They reached the ship, anyhow, and we can imagine they’d be low on the fuel at some point regardless, right? Nope, they needed to get Sawyer off the chopper. Really lame writing. And why didn’t the Others or particularly Sayid check Rambo’s pulse? There is NO chance they wouldn’t have done so. Sayid would’ve seen the vest and known he might have survived. Why didn’t they check? Because of that stupid heart monitor device that would’ve blown up too soon. A writer’s device, actually, but lame again, because they could’ve written the timing of the scene differently, or his death differently (have his escape the shootout at the chopper only to show up later at the Orchid). And didn’t you love Sawyer mentioning the small island? We might just as well have had Sayid mention the Four-toed statue, and Kate mention the kids, for all that played out, because the small island “moved” along with the big island and doing so, completely destroyed any credibility this show had for reasonable explanations of all these silly mysteries. Worse yet, this last show was boring at the end: more slow motion and stuff we already knew about and storylines left dangling, and those among us with the ability to detect nonsense, justified once again (as always) in posting on this site.