Season 4 R.I.P.
I dont even know where to start with this “season finale”. It was pretty much a suck fest of epic proportions. You had the classic “should we cut the red wire or green wire” bomb scene. The “we have to lighten the load” scene. This was the dumbest way to get Sawyer off the helicopter that I could have possibly imagine. That they could even put that in there with a straight face is staggering. Not to mention the steller dialouge like Ben saying “you killed my daughter!” Wow. Of course more gun cocking, slow motion violin filled walking sequences, etc….
So we find out that Locke is in the casket. Didn’t we pretty much already guess that? Where does that leave us this season. Well, pretty much where it left of last season, Jack saying they have to go back. Which is exactly how season 3 ended. So what was the point of season 4? Discuss….
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Perhaps even more staggering was the scene where Ben climbs down into the frozen cave and cranks the magical wheel to “move” the island (whatever thats supposed to mean). When the wheel started glowing I seriously started laughing out loud. Was there supposed to be some ridiculous lost symbolism interjected there that I was missing or was it just stupid? Also, the effect created by turning the wheel was strangely similar to the magnetic thing that went off at the end of season 2… cheap.
I also thought it was outright hilarious that they brought that army guy back when we thought he was dead. When that happened I was like seriously? I can just see the writers sitting around not knowing what to write next…then one of them jumps up and says ” I know. We’ll bring that dude back from the dead! I bet that will really surprise everyone!” Remember eye patch guy?…enough said.
Developments in this episode put the final nail in the coffin that everything on “Lost” can be explained through normal scientific principles—which is what the show-runners have promised us since Season 1.
I’m big enough to admit that the finale didn’t suck nearly as bad as the other episodes this season, but one o.k. episode doesn’t make up for all the other crap.
And Tyler’s right about the stunningly bad cliches. That “lighten the load” helicopter nonsense was absolutely awful. And of course Sawyer had to whisper something mysterious to Kate just to titillate the feeble-minded trolls who will be posting about it all summer.
> That “lighten the load” helicopter
> nonsense was absolutely awful.
And pointless.
Isn’t a good pilot supposed to do a walk around to check the helicopter for damage before taking off?
Paul.
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Raptus (RAP-tus) Regaliter (Ree-GAL-ih-tur) is Latin for “raped by the regal.” In common parlance, it means “royally screwed.”
im pretty sure the producers/writers never promised that everything could be explained scientificly, that was ABC’S little take on the show.
The writers have often said that that everything on the show revolves around Pseudoscience and the phenomenons that accompany it.
The show-runners did say during the first season that everything that happened on the island could be explained scientifically.
Since then, they’ve dissembled nonstop.
When he went in the cave, I half expected his power animal to be a penguin that would say “Slide!” It really would not have surprised me.
FIGHT CLUB ALLUSIONS EXCITE ME.
WHAT A LET DOWN!
Lost used to be one of the best shows ever created. What the hell were they thinking? The season 4 finale, if you could call it that, was so awful I am still in shock. Moving the Island!? I knew the idea was stupid when I heard it a few episodes ago, but I had faith that they would figure out a good way to pull it off. What did they end up doing? having ben climb into some magical Narnia tunnel and Turn the magic wheel until the island disappeared. Give me a break!
And what about the explosion? Talk about shitty graphics, I thought I was looking at an N64 game.
Common Lost writers, this is an ALL TIME LOW for you guys. I just hope the last 2 seasons of the show are as good as the first two were.
That elctronic interference sound effect was just as bad. Not only does a magical donkey wheel allow the island to move, but it creates a cheap low budget sound effect as well.
I think its probably the weakest finale and the frozen donkey wheel was fucking lame, but it was still a really good episode
Conan the Barbarian pushed a donkey wheel…
Chihuahua handbag dogs, 3rd world adopted babies, pricey fossil art are so yesterday in L.A.
Diamond studded frozen donkey wheels, now you’re talking, baby!
so season 4 is essentially the opposite of season 3. in season 3, we had a year of stagnation with 90% of the plot crammed into the finale. in season 4, we had wayyyyy too much going on and a finale that was completely predictable based on the preceding episode that did not move the plot much at all.
i wonder what hurley was thinking when sawyer jumped out of the helicopter. how selfish can someone feel i wonder? now he could have jumped out instead to lighten the load, and the tidal wave he caused would have moved the island as well. two birds, one stone. (
“two birds, one stone” would also be condoleeza rice’s slogan if she were to run for president, but i digress.
too funny.
Mrs. Meister
Still laughing over the Hurley comment. If he jumped off they could have probably flown that thing over to the next continent.
“…now he could have jumped out instead to lighten the load, and the tidal wave he caused would have moved the island as well…”
that is by far the funnies comment i have ever read on this site!
Hehe, indeed.
So by turning the magic donkey wheel Ben ends up in Morocco, right (cos of his jacket and wounded arm)?
Not only in Morocco, but like two years later. So, turn the wheel, island “moves”, you’re transported through time and space. Yeah, explain that scientists.
Ben ended up in Tunisia. Since when is Morocco the same as Tunisia? Also, I don’t think it’d matter to you lot. If they explained the time travel, you’d be off mindlessly bashing it for excessive technobabble or something. Why spend your time bashing Lost? Us Lost fans don’t go around bashing shows you like.
I hadn’t much hope going in to the epi, but, man oh man, that was really bad. Unlike Tyler, was surprised to see Locke in the casket. I really didn’t expect it to be him.
All the future dialog between Jack & Kate, blah blah blah. Snooze fest. And what about Claire. Is she pregnant or something? She really picked up some weight.
When they showed Sawyer & Botox on the beach I asked why you couldn’t see the helicopter flying. The ship just exploded and the helicopter was right there supposedly flying back to the island. We could clearly see the ship, so why no helicopter. And how far did Sawyer swim? Minutes ago they couldn’t even find the ship, now Sawer has somehow made it all the way in to shore, right where Botox is I might add. Just plain bad writing.
The epi last night was so bad, that to go in to all the ways it was awful would take up way too much space, so I will just highlight the Sawyer jump from the plane, swim really far, really fast, all the while the beach can’t see the helicopter even thought they can see the ship, Sawyer emerges like a Baywatch preview, btw, when did he have time to remove jis shirt in all that?
Anyway, I honestly think this is my last post. I cannot imagine watching another epi, especially being that we see no more until 2009. Surely I’ll fill this time slot of my life with something better by then. It was fun. Thanks for all the laughs. Thanks for this great site Tyler, you, LMeister and all my e-buddies made this show worth watching for a couple seasons longer than it deserved.
Mrs. Meister
You have to come back. Give it 6 months and you’ll be ready for more self abuse again!
i saw either you or the mr. meister made a comment on the fuselage, which was abruptly edited by the moderator. isn’t that such bullshit? I always leave comments and observations on that site and they always delete them because they don’t like hearing the truth of the show they hold in such high esteem. But anyway, it was great reading your thoughts, i really hope you’re back next season, you’re already 2/3 done with the series, you gotta stick it out and go down with the ship
Yeah, it was me (Mr.) who left the comment “Lost sucks and so do you” as I was so tired of reading those imbeciles gush over this ridiculous episode. I knew they would delete it, the pricks that they are, but I am pleased that some folks saw it and that it ticked them off. What a bunch of losers
Too right. It was also unrealistic how they only started losing fuel several minutes into the flight and not after the gun battle. Also, they knew there was a dingy, so they could just have set the chopper down on the island, repaired it, and used the dingy to bring a fuel tank.
::puke::
a few observations/random thoughts…
disclaimer: i haven’t watched every episode this season. still, after watching last night it seems i haven’t really missed a thing
1. the most disingenuous part of this show remains the producers’ claim that everything that happens “can be explained by science”. to which i’d reply, “whose science?!?!” pretending for a moment an island can disappear, having a wooden wheel as the mechanism is about the most ridiculous un-sciency explanation i can imagine (actually, i suppose having ben fart the island away would be more absurd).
2. the writers are obviously Dungeons & Dragons geeks. some characters are more frail than others . spray bullets randomly and one grazes an ‘extra’ on the knee, they die a spaztic death (they obviously have fewer hit points). shoot a ‘primary character’ in the back several times at close range (or throw them into a sonic death fence, or remove their appendix or a tumor off their spine, or give them a fatal gut shot) and they’re sure to be up and about in no time.
3. as tyler observed, we seem to be in the same place we were after LAST season’s finale!!! which is why i think this show is more about HOW the story unfolds than WHERE it leads. i hate that shit… it’s like working for a boss who wants to edit your emails to make sure you use the correct font, but doesn’t care about what the email says or to whom it’s addressed. this show has always seemed preoccupied with telling us the HOW (through flashbacks, flashforwards, etc.) with the direction of the story seemingly only a secondary concern. like, “we’ll move the plot forward and answer some questions eventually, but in the meantime, here’s another shot of jack’s beard in the future!!! and anther slo’ mo’ walking scene!!! pay no attention to that empty space where a plot should be!!!”
4. lastly, i had “locke in the coffin” as a long shot. but then again, i didn’t really care. this was one of the most manufactured ‘mysteries’ on this show or any other!! i’ve found it really curious how so many other questions have been raised (and unanswered) since the beginning, and yet somehow this became as big a mystery as the second shooter on the grassy knoll. besides, was anyone really surprised to see locke a) off the island, or b) dead, given how often dead people seem to be hanging around, is dead even dead? why bother??
edit: i will give the show some credit…
a) i do think the creators/writers, etc have a plan, and probably have all along. the replay of the scene with jack and kate at the airport was obviously cut from the season 3 finale, which to me indicates they thought about using that last 30 seconds of the scene in some future episode when they shot it last season. of course, those 30 seconds were of no consequence, but it shows some forthought i think .
b) i like ben’s character. he’s probably the most consistent, and least annoying, and has developed a complexity the other characters lack. and he has a sense of humor (e.g. the last scene in the funeral home, “I hear you take flights hoping they’ll crash. that’s dark, jack”)
So was Locke’s painstakingly detailed biography was a fake before this episode? He is really someone else? If I understood the last Dharma tape correctly they moved the island either foreward or backward in time. Locke couldn’t find the flower elevator but the greiviously wounded Rambo guy could? The mysterious powers wouldnt let Michael set off the first bomb or shoot himself but gave permission for Rambo’s armpit switch to kill Jin and and an apparently superfolous freighter crew? Yes Hurley should have jumped off the chopper. Could some just not have reached out the door and put their finger over the bullet hole in the chopper fuel tank? Then the pilot patches it with duct tape? The core of the island is composed of an “exotic” material that enables time travel? “Exotic” probably means “from outer space” so that probably means the “others” are space aliens except for the gay guy in New York. Unless they are gay aliens.
and if Ben was going to move the island why did he even send Locke to find the flower elevator? He should have just said, “Locke, you stand here and hit yourself in the head with this rock until I get back.”
LOL – best comment!!! 10 out of 10
Bwahahaha, good one.
No; exotic matter is a “real” scientific postulate. It has negative mass and could be used to keep wormholes open.
and the donkey wheel? that’s part of the postulate?
c’mon ‘tard. you speak of wormholes as if THEY aren’t theoretical.
if we’re opening up “explainable by science” to anything ‘known’ or theoretical, then it’s sci-fi. and that’s fine, just don’t wag your toungue about it being scienctific.
I made no such claim.
I was merely pointing out the term “exotic matter” meant.
good points all. the littany of ridiculousness goes on and on…
I try (anymore) not to dwell on the nitpicky shit, however dumb or unbelievable. it’s the main premise (everything can be explained by science, if you believe in aliens!!!) and the lazy production tricks (again with the slo’ mo’ walking scene to end the episode?!??!) that irk the most. though, even ‘irk’ is too strong as I really just don’t care anymore.
I think the season 3 ending was re-used because it was convenient and fit in again by chance. I noticed an ad instructing viewers to watch the alternate endings online!
Yeah, there’s no plan.
“Lastly, i had “locke in the coffin” as a long shot. but then again, i didn’t really care.”
I would like to second this, hardly one of the bigger questions I had about the show. In fact I forgot about it up until last night it meant that much to me. How about we start the First episode’s question. Where the hell are we guys?
I’d be happy with that.
I was absolutely certain that the Locke-in-a-coffin moment would conclude with Locke’s eyes snapping open as the final shot of the season. It would have fit in perfectly with the other finale cliches, but I guess they needed to hold onto something for next season.
I have been reading this fine site for awhile now and it never fails to make me giggle. It is probably the only reason I watch this mess any more.
Couple of points to banter about:
Where did Botox get the booze? I can’t imagine she knew about it and never said, “this place sucks and I am going to go get loaded”.
I know it’s a tired question but where are all of the kids? Looks like all of the Other’s were set up at Camp Locke when Daddy came “home” but not a kid in site. How many did they snag off of the beach? Weren’t there other kids in the original scenes from the cabins? Potential Plot for next season: The Others are space alien cannibals that like to dress up in dirty clothes for no reason and they have a taste for young children. Would be as legit as the rest of the nonsense they keep rolling out.
Mentioned earlier but had to notice Claire packing on some pounds. One of the hottest in the show and it looks like she has been bellying up to the Dharma buffet a time or two. Is the actress that plays her pregnant or does she just need to put down the fork?
The Dharma kids are all playing around the giant 4-toed statue, which has also been missing-in-action ever since it was introduced.
i noticed Claire had gained weight too, I guess thats why they have been hiding her if she is pregnant in real life.
i noticed Claire had gained weight too, I guess thats why they have been hiding her if she is pregnant in real life.
When Desmond and the heroes get rescued, why the fuck doesn’t Desmond ask Penny:
1. What the fuck is your dad doing sending soldiers to kill us?
2. How the fuck did your dad know and obtain our picture to have his crew lie about rescuing us?
I hate moments in the show like this where the plot could infallibly be advanced if the characters would actually talk rationally.
Ummm… he’s been on the island (without female contact) for over 3 years. The bad daddy talk will be had later but first…
“I hate moments in the show like this where the plot could infallibly be advanced if the characters would actually talk rationally.”
I ditto that my brother.
It also looked like Penny had gone through a time warp because that ho looked like she aged 10 years since we last saw her.
it wasn’t Penny’s boat.
and it dosen’t take a brain surgeon to realize that probably 99% of what Widmore does Penny probably knows nothing about. Desmond probably knows that better than anyone since, daddy Widmore tried to buy him off.
the helicopter scene had me screaming profanities at the top of my lungs. i simply couldn’t believe the absurdity. there are two bullet holes in the chopper’s gas tank (remember, they mentioned an exit hole). the gas gauge is shown, and the amount of fuel is decreasing at an amount where they’ll be empty in about 15 seconds at the most. so, as if no one in the world could see how the writing would unfold, the pilot starts screaming about lightening the load – throwing cargo off the heli. wtf? say your driving in an automobile and you have two holes in your gas tank that are the size of the roundness of an m&m. your solution is to turn off the AC and to throw your briefcase out the window? pardon my expletive, but this show is fucking ridiculous. so, cue sappy music… sawyer jumps off, and somehow that magically solves the problem of the leaking gas. this show can eat my ass.
Also, was it me or did it look like the chopper went end over end when it hit the water? Well even if it didn’t, it looked like it hit the water pretty hard yet they all come out uninjured, aside from Desmond who has a little bruise on his forehead.
It definitely looked like it took one hell of a beating.
Oh yeah, someone can go ahead and shoot Sun in the temple now. Her overacting has earned her a spot overboard.
I totally agree with that. I was yelling “shut the hell up” by the time the scene was ending. But my favorite part is that she is screaming insanely until Jack the Almighty says “Sun he’s gone” and then, magically, she accepts it. “oh, okay Jack, thanks for clearing that up, I was sure he was alive until you said he was dead. I mean, I thought he might survive with only superficial burns after the entire freighter exploded and sunk in 12 seconds in a firey ball of death, but thanks for talking sense in to me.” What a crock of shit
I had to hit the mute button with her screaming so much. I can’t stand the way they have developed her character now.
I don’t think it was overacting. Maybe in a flood of bullshit plot and bad acting, the good acting seems over-acted. If you just watched you wife/husband explode, you’ll either shutdown into a quiet or erupt like she did (just as examples).
Also, what’s with all the water? Enough with the “I’m going to go get some water” dialogue. These people have better things to do than “go get some water” by now.
And I don’t think we need any more background extras. We get it, there were more people on the plane than just the main characters. The show would do just fine if we never saw any more unrecognizable people in the background setting up tents, moving supplies, or better yet, going to get some water.
Oh come on now.
He used the “water” thing as an excuse to go get Charlotte and Miles. Did you actually watch this episode?
And if there were no extras, you’d be saying, “What, did all the other people disappear?”
They could’ve killed all the extras in the crash in ep 1.
Not doing this was definitely one of the biggest failings in not planning out the plot ahead of time. Obviously you gotta be diligent to not have plotholes and such, and they are usually a result of lazy writing, but that’s one of the more baffling things about Lost. There are so many instances where they could’ve actually avoided plotholes and inconsistencies by taking an easy route.
Plus good god I wish the fat black lady would die already. I don’t mean this as derisive towards blacks or fats, I just can’t remember her name right now.
Exactly. For instance, what was the point of the tape rewinding itself? Okay I get it, they didnt want us to show any more of the orientation video so they’d leave us in the dark, but couldn’t they just have taped over that bit or broken the tape instead of making it do something unexplainable?
but isn’t the weird unexplainable stuff the bread-and-butter for this show? Regardless if this is good or not, it’s the strange, unexplainable phenomena that make this show tick. I’m okay with it, provided they eventually explain, but the way this detail was brushed under the rug, I don’t know if they will ever explain it.
Judging from how the finales have been orchestrated, I think it’s pretty clear now how the Grand Finale will unfold: With everyone back on the island, some ridiculous space/time nonsense will keep the Oceanic airliner from ever crashing in the first place. Any number of little surprises can be worked into this general framework, but it’s either that or some pedestrian, Gilligan’s Island resolution where the castaways are rescued by “normal” means. Since this second alternative has no Wow! factor, I’m going with the Oceanic scenario (also, that’s close to how “The Langoliers” ended, and the producers have been stealing from that Stephen King chestnut for quite a while).
Oh yes, it will suck.
Indeed, I was picking up The Langolier vibe also………………
the ending will probably have the airliner not crashing like you mentioned, and then showing them all go about their lives as if nothing ever happened… but yet somehow they will have some recollection of it.
Exactly.
I think it will either end in the Oceanic 6 all moving back to the island and live happily ever after with the Others, neglecting all unanswered questions as well as the fact that in the first 3 seasons they were killing each other.
Or actually, maybe it’ll end in all main characters dying and fanboys declaring that it is therefore the best show ever.
Actually at this point that’s what I’d like to see. The plane crashes – right on top of Ben – and everyone dies. Fitting finale for one of the biggest wrecks a series has ever become.
If that’s how all this ends, I’ll be just as annoyed as you. I’ll admit, I just found this site, and find it interesting to read how people who dislike the show receive it. I personally quite enjoy it, though I did find quite a few elements of the finale unbelievable in the sense that things that are typically explainable didn’t get explained or were handled poorly. If the ending is using the Orchid or some other mechanism to make the plane never crash, I’ll probably become an avid member of this Lost-hating group.
Bwahahaha awesome! I read that behemoth of a book when I was a kid but only now when you point it out do I notice the ripoffs.
One minor aside… Didn’t the thing in the Langoliers start make everybody smart, or am I thinking of the Tommyknockers?
When Sawyer jumped off the helicopter, he should have been swallowed whole by that shark that almost got him in season 2.
That was terrible-th second worst episode I’ve seen. Bad, BAD writing. Things just happened for no reason.
I hought the first four episodes of the season were great-full of mystery and suprises. And I know that the writer’s strike fucked everything up, but most of this season felt that it was written by jr. high school kids.
I will continue to watch…but I hope the writers and producers start giving us thoughtful shows again
Yes, I think we can all agree, sawyer jumping off the heli was the dumbest scence in lost history. Cartoonish almost.
Now, if Sawyer, upon leaping from the helicopter “jumped” a shark, that would be meaningful.
heh
They promised it would be “breathtaking,” and I have to admit that after Benji turned the cosmic wheel and the island went under with a little “bloop” I was laughing so hard that I couldn’t get my breath for a minute. Kept thinking about the old Saturday Night Live “Bad Theatre” skits they did with Ackroyd as Leonard Pinth-Garnell, and heard him saying “Awful! Horrible! Couldn’t be worse! Couldn’t be worse!!”
1. Tyler this is a great site. 2. I did not read all the posts above me but heres what I hated: The fake cg blowing up of the ship, I felt like I was watching a low budget tv show on the sci fi network. I also hated the fake falling of the helicopter. yuck. Also rambo coming back from the dead was dumb. But overall I did like the episode, but did not love the episode…
The best scene: Miles chewing on nuts. Hurley eating soup cracker.
Worst writer mental masturbation scene: Charlotte has a “secret”.
Worst screaming/louder than the helicopter: Sun
Locke looks like Daddy Warbucks from Annie. Cleans up nice when shave the stubble and put on a suit.
Everything else was generated by sweaty monkeys typing away in a sauna.
They must have used up Botox’s monthly supply of Botox injections to get Locke’s face ready for that last shot.
*Worst writer mental masturbation scene: Charlotte has a “secret”. *
worse still is this is yet another “mystery” about a character we don’t give one shit about!!!! they do that all the time, ‘here’s new character X, we know you have questions about the first dozen, but first, we’ll waste some time introducing new questions about this new character you hate.’
You all are in rare form this week. The comments are excellent! Way, way better than this wormhole of a show!
They introduce this barfed up plot twist with Charlotte and yet a few episodes back the writers were showing us that Ben had a stalker fixation on Juliet. Too many pointless plot arcs that quickly get forgotten. Oh well, it’s hack writers serving up soup-of-the-day.
Not to mention bringing them in just to kill them off 6 episodes later. I knew from the freighter flashback episode this season was going to suck hard. No progress was made at all in the normal storyline –
“we’re going to save you.”
Really?
“No, and our boat exploded.”
“Frank, I hope I never see you again.”
Me TOO.
Most of the things I hated about this episode have already been mentioned many times above so I won’t repeat them. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is the whole time warp thing between the island and the ship. After the episode where they mentioned it, they showed a number of helicopter trips back and forth and no mention of the bearings etc. Last night when they’re flying out, they’re pretty going all over the place and they found the ship – what happened to the time warp then? So when they’re leaking fuel the time stuff decides to go away.
The stuff they brought up about Desmond’s “powers” really didn’t factor into the season. Once again they introduced a new set of characters this season, only to have them quickly killed off at the end.
Even though the episode was garbage, all I see on message boards everywhere is “THAT WAS THE BEST EPISODE EVER!” and people who say they are going to wonder about how Locke died all summer. Just as Lame as the frozen donkey wheel.
Pretty much. It seems the “physics” they introduced in the show are only used when it’s convenient for the writers.
I think at this point it’s impossible for someone with half a brain to believe the writers are doing a good job. The first 2 seasons were good because the number of mystery and fantasy elements was limited… but now they’ve gone all out in retardness in a quest to keep people “interested” and it has produced this trainwreck of a storyline.
Even the acting has gotten terrible. Everytime Ben is on screen all we see is him staring at people with his big eyes and saying something creepy. Jack has become a parody of himself, Hurley doesn’t even look like he’s trying anymore, Sun is the acting equivalent of stabbing your dick with a fork, etc.
It’s a shame really because the show had good premise… I could live with season 3… but season 4 forever tainted this franchise with horror.
I’ll still watch for the same reason as you, Tyler: to find out how bad this can get.
“Everytime Ben is on screen all we see is him staring at people with his big eyes and saying something creepy.”
I had to lol reading that.
I don’t think this assessment is entirely fair. Some of what happened this season is theoretically possible; and actually, in an interview that was run in Popular Mechanics, Damon and Carlton did admit that they were doing some moving away from practical physics, which I’m fine with.
I’d say, however, that the first two seasons had a lot of mystery/fantasy elements–especially season two. Every episode (especially in the hatch) had quite a few new questions and mysterious things added to it. This season has only introduced a few mysteries: the new characters (most of whom we don’t know much about, and I’ll agree were not handled that well), the time flux on the island, and the whole move-the-island thing, which I’m willing to accept for now until we see how it’s handled. That’s the thing with big moves like that: I think a lot of people think they’re going to fail because they very often do; but I think you have to wait and see how it is handled before you really pass judgment, don’t you think?
I’ll acknowledge, however, that this finale did have quite a few holes. It was kinda like a slice of Swiss cheese, even.
someone needs to give this show a frozen donkey punch…
I like how the others, most having been presumably killed in Season 3 by Sun [Colleen], Juliet[Pickett], Patchy[Ms. Klugh] [Gretta and Bonnie, the Looking Glass girls], Desmond[Patchy] and the three “Rambos” (Jin, Sayid, and Bernard) who killed Tom, Price + 8 other others, have regenerated their numbers and are now strong enough to trick US Marine-trained mercenaries into the jungle while taking them down with inferior firepower and have no casualties.
So let me get this: in the 30 or so days that took place on the island in season 3, the Lost castaways kill about 20 or so others, but the mercenaries are all taken out in about five minutes by an obvious trap. Great writing!!!
Lost “lost” credibility of being a truly scientific show long ago, but the island moving has totally done them in. Sure, the smoke monster that sometimes kills people was a start, Desmond surving the hatch implosion after turning the key was a continuation, the time travel business doesn’t have much scientific backing, but now that the island is “lost” in time/space, I’m half-expecting to see Jack’s dead father receive an occuring role. Oh wait, that’s already happened. I could go on for minutes about how bad some of the writing has been, how many plot holes have developed with the increasingly rediculous occurences of the show, how loose ends are never tied up, etc.
It’s a shame. From Season 2’s beginning to where we are now. The writing has devolved to the extreme I want the writers to go back on strike. The flashforwards were a good idea, but now that we know Locke is in the casket, any scenes up to the point of his death are melodramatic. Same with any of the O6 that were in “danger” this season. We all knew Jack would survive his appendix operation, we all knew Kate and Ben wouldn’t be shot by the mercenaries, we knew Sayid wouldn’t be overtaken by Keamy in their battle, we knew there was no way Hurley’s fat ass would jump from the chopper, and Aaron might be the toughest ten-week old in the history of the world, surviving a fall of that magnitude.
With the show jumping shark like it has, it makes you wonder why ABC persuaded the writers not to show the 4-toed statue in this season.
*Black smoke monster that spontaneously shows up to create intense drama, and can be summoned by Ben’s secret secret room- OK
*Ghosts/Visions of dead relatives – OK
*Crazy French lady living on the island for 16 years never having once seen an other or a Dharma Station, all of which are seen by our castaways in three months- OK
*Time travel paradoxes from island to freighter, but only when convenient because in the season finale we need multiple chopper flights from island to boat
*Extremely high death rate for minor characters, yet Sawyer has been stabbed/shot multiple times and still lives and is fine- OK
*The movement of the island due to a frozen wheel under a sheet of ice in a secret tunnel behind an underground Dharma station that can only be accessed by a hidden elevator disguised by a greenhouse- OK
* But a 4 toed statue that merely shows there was an ancient dwelling of peoples on the island, something that aforementioned secret rooms have shown in their heiroglyphics, now that would be over-the-top. (?)
ONE POSITIVE before I leave. Due to where we are at the end of Season 4, Season 5 could start anywhere, and go anywhere, so it should be good and mysterious, but I hope the writers quit trying to get overly sensational, simplify the story by explaining Dharma, the others and the true powers of the island, not crazy sci-fi “move the island” bullshit.
They have to lose the flash fowards. There was no suspense in the season finale. We knew who was getting off the island and how just seemed inevitable. I don’t care about what horrible things happened on the island or why Locke died.
I somehow believed that a black flume of smoke could kill people. But I think they jumped the shark with the magice wheel that moves islands. (plural) The season 3 island moved too.
It sucks for anyone on the motor boat…they’re screwed.
I almost wasn’t going to comment because this show ending was so stupid, but I couldn’t help myself. Let’s be honest here: the season one ending with the hatch was fun, as was the season two ending with Ben kidnapping the beach gang. Last season with Jack’s flash forward was, well, interesting. Dumb, but interesting. This season was monstrous. The shootout at the OK Chopper was ridiculous — why would the mercs wander into the brush to be killed? And wouldn’t the Other gang just pick them off in the jungle? And where were the Others to kill Rambo when he ran out of the trap? And, as someone else pointed out, why didn’t pilot see the leak or check for something damage? The answer is that we needed some reason to get Sawyer off the chopper. Think about it. Why else? They reached the ship, anyhow, and we can imagine they’d be low on the fuel at some point regardless, right? Nope, they needed to get Sawyer off the chopper. Really lame writing. And why didn’t the Others or particularly Sayid check Rambo’s pulse? There is NO chance they wouldn’t have done so. Sayid would’ve seen the vest and known he might have survived. Why didn’t they check? Because of that stupid heart monitor device that would’ve blown up too soon. A writer’s device, actually, but lame again, because they could’ve written the timing of the scene differently, or his death differently (have his escape the shootout at the chopper only to show up later at the Orchid). And didn’t you love Sawyer mentioning the small island? We might just as well have had Sayid mention the Four-toed statue, and Kate mention the kids, for all that played out, because the small island “moved” along with the big island and doing so, completely destroyed any credibility this show had for reasonable explanations of all these silly mysteries. Worse yet, this last show was boring at the end: more slow motion and stuff we already knew about and storylines left dangling, and those among us with the ability to detect nonsense, justified once again (as always) in posting on this site.
After watching the first show of the first season with my mother, I told her “This show looks like it’s going to be a load of Yuppie back-biting bizarreness.” I haven’t changed my opinion after watching a handful of shows since then….
Another lame plot device: The fake name “Jeremy Bentham”. Have the characters know who he really is, but not tell the viewers.
I can’t understand why they would all indulge Locke with his lame fake name, even though all of them hate him and don’t go to his funeral. Why would he need an alias anyway? He’s not Brad Pitt, airline survivor, he worked in a box company and had no friends. It would have been better if they mentioned the fake name sometime between the last season finale and this one, but no, they had to save it for this shitstorm.
They could at least have shown us Jacob or something…
I should talk to Jacob now too like Ben – “This show is garbage! Are you happy now Jacob?!!”
wow talk about sensitive cry babies… I made a joke about hurley being a fatass over at the fuselage, and my post is deleted and i’m given a stern warning. wtf??! seriously those losers need to get a freakin life. another reason i love this site, cause you can say just about anything without being edited. Thanks tyler!
you have to understand that most lost fans are going to be sensitive to the “fatass” term you previously mentioned.
see lost fans, while not watching lost, tend to suck down doritos and mountain dew while they play WoW in their parents’ basements. it’s not exactly the recipe for thinness as it’s nearly impossible to burn off all those calories when their only form of exercise is masturbating to their star wars action figure collection.
OK…I love this site!! I’ve lurked awhile but never posted….but here goes my first rant.
I’ll get away from the lame ridiculousness of S4 since everyone else has touched on it…I just want to know if I missed something important? Ok, it’s the end of S4, and I STILL don’t understand who Ben/Richard and the Others are and why they killed all of the original Dharma scientists, and without repercussions from the real world, it seems.
Also, why did Ben bring 1 fertility doc to the island(Juliet) to replace all the DI scientists and do fertility research?? Why would Ben care why pregnant women die on the island?? Could it possibly be the crappy medical facilities available on the island that could explain the pregnancy deaths?? Duh….
What happened to the losties that were kidnapped from the beach…Cindy/the kids?? Where the hell are they now, and why are they willingly staying with the others instead of trying to escape??
Why were the Others so interested in Walt and Aaron and now don’t seem to care about them?? Why were they “special” in the first place.
Why the hell did Ben leave Locke to be the new island leader without telling him a damn thing that was going on. Also, if Locke can communicate with Jacob, how come he’s so stupidly clueless in the finale and has to continually ask Ben what he’s doing, why and how. Locke appeared mentally retarded in the finale.
I don’t really care about the 4-toed statue, the hatches, etc….I would be happy if just these past mysteries were explained. The smoke monster, time travel, the Ben/Widmore international man of mystery crap holds absolutely no interest to me, and has no plausible satisfying conclusion that I can foresee. Ben should have been killed long ago. I’m sure I’ll thing of more crap I can’t explain later. Thanks for the place to rant.
Welcome to the site, red pill taker. Very good comments. Join us for the rest of the horrible ride and keep the insights coming
Your questions are just the sorts of things that keep me watching the show, because they are issues any decent writers would have explored long ago. But it seems they really care only about what they’re plotting on any given week, so storylines that don’t have immediate appeal to them (or interesting conclusions) fall away. Therefore, no kids, big statue, Dharma explanations, island disease discussions, etc. Notice that no one has spoken about the small island since season three, except for Sawyer’s lame musing about it just before he jumped? The writers don’t care. And nothing they write makes any real sense anymore. Because they can’t write.
Does anyone think the island will turn out to be Atlantis, Lemuria, Mu, all of the above?
I woudn’t be surprised if the island was actually in a snowglobe and the plot was created in the mind of an autistic child like in “St. Elsewhere.”
Here’s another possibility. Only six people survived the crash, there is no island, and they’re not actually lying to the press and the world when they get back. They just made up the island story while they were waiting for rescue in the life raft.
In terms of the point of the season, it was, as you may or may not intend to indicate, to show how the Oceanic 6 got off the island. While I’ll admit that there have been some less-than-stellar episodes this season, I think there have also been a few good ones. While I’m personally a fan of this show (perhaps I shouldn’t be sticking my nose in around here then, which is the vibe I get from people’s comments), I will acknowledge that there have been some holes this season.
However, to everyone that dislikes the idea/concept of the flashforwards and the survivors getting off the island: what would you rather see them doing? Just sitting around on the beach all day and hunting for food? While I certainly enjoyed season one quite a bit with its episodes about the characters and developing them, it’s also important for the plot to progress in some significant way. Those are two of the basic requirements for a good story: plot and character. Season 1 was chock full of the latter; this season was primarily about the former. If they’d just been following the season one formula this far, I’d have been rather bored.
Like I said, I’m a fan of the show, but I certainly hate it (as many of you obviously do) when people refuse to criticize the show at all. There were this season, and have in every season, been some awful episodes (I particularly cringed at the Juliet-centric episode and the one in which Michael’s absence was explained). However, when people just blast the show without explaining clearly what they disliked, they come across equally badly as the people that do nothing but laud it. To each his own for his opinions on something as subjective as television, but everyone has to be able to back said opinions up.
Just out of curiosity, what other shows are people that dislike this show watching? I’d just be interested to see what you enjoy versus this (and this ISN’T a backhanded attempt to find out what you like and bash it; I just think such things tell a lot about personal tastes and inform where someone is coming from).
I agree 100% with you, Joe. I have watched the show from the beginning, it is my favorite on TV, but still like to hear thought out critcisms of it, especially this season’s episodes. “Eggtown” was perhaps the stupidest episode of all time, even worse than Season 2’s thrilling piece of shit, “Fire & Water.” As far as someone having a post deleted for calling Hurley a “fatass,” I got banned for criticisizing the writers who jewed us out of episodes this season following the writers strike. I guess most Lost fans are not only fatass basement dwellers but also over-sensitive douches who can’t take a joke. Notice I said most, anyone who calls themselves a Lost fan but still visits this site (like myself) I have respect for.
Yeah, season 4’s finale was absolutely terrible. I don’t have to go onto detail why.
What royally pisses me off about the show is that it started out so well. The writing, the characters, the dialogue, the themes, the backstories, the overall mythology was great, but now the show has jumped shark completely. There are thousands of unsolved mysteries and many of these have been totally dropped completely (how did the food drop occur in Season 2 if Dharma is defunct, why was Libby at Hurley’s mental institute, how did Rousseau avoid the others not to mention the Dharma Initiative for 16 years, how is Hurley still fat)?
When season 5 begins I hope Lost writers return to old form with better plot, better dialogue, and some resemblance of realism like they said they would.
I agree with both of you guys, with Joe about people who criticize the show without explaining why they hate it, just the same as those who can’t speak one thing negative about the show. There are plenty of episodes that were so craptacular they left me speechless and angry for wasting that much time watching it. G Wil.. just as those points you bring up, why is hurley still fat? there are about 100 more questions that have been raised, or inconsistencies with the plot that have yet to be resolved, and if they writers actually go back to them somehow, i can just about garuntee that it will be some stupid one line sentence in a random show that will just wrap up the matter, but not quite resolving the issue. There are just too many to count.
Actually it was me who on the fuselage arguing that if the pilot was saying we gotta drop weight from the helicopter, and you see hurley sitting there, whats the first thing thats gonna go through your head? it was hilarious, but damn i got attacked from all sides because as you said, they are all touchy sensitive basment dwelling overweight douchebags who obviously feel so strongly about fat jokes, they don’t even want to hear one about a fictional character
I totally agree with all of you. I am a fan of Lost, but I do enjoy coming here to read the critizisms. I also agree that the flashbacks were important; to understand why the characters act the way they do on the island, it’s important to know what happened to them off of it. It was great character development, and one of the things that made it one of the deeper shows of the time.
However, I ALSO agree that this season totally jumped the shark. Too many unanswered questions at this point, and stuff that just went beyond weird (i.e., move the island.) However, I do still have SOME faith that most of the important questions will be answered in the future. There are two more seasons left, after all, and I will of course contiune to watch (and most likely check back here every week.)
I’d also like to address the issue of Hurley being fat. I think that was explained with his hoarding of food in season three. And you have to remember, we’ve been watching the show for four years; they’ve only actually been there for about four months. He’s not going to immeadeatly slim down. Plus, he’s an actor and he’s obviously not really on the island…if they thought up some really weird explination for it, that would be bashed too, and you all know it.
Of course, that’s only one of the dumb questions that still goes unanswered.
*Those are two of the basic requirements for a good story: plot and character. Season 1 was chock full of the latter; this season was primarily about the former. *
how can you say this was full of the former (i.e. plot)??? we knew the end point after the season 3 finale. so did this season move the plot forward for you? by showing you how they got there? and isn’t that just a flashback from the flashfoward?!?!
there have been plenty of substantive critiques of the show, both general and specific. most of the folks who’ve made them have long since moved on, and other tire of repeating them.
I’ve just been sitting around wondering why some people just start drooling uncontrollably when a discussion of Lost occurs. I just find it funny how there are many people out there who believe this is the best thing to ever appear on the tv, and are sure that the show has no flaws. Some people have started to get a little more courage and state their displeasure about the show, but others still become rabid if you mention anything negative about the show.
After reading around on other forums I’ve started to notice why they think this show is really good. It seems as though many people think that creating tiny (yet pointless) mysteries and somehow loosely connecting them together creates for great, intriguing suspense. In the first season we were all mystified every time the numbers would appear and thought it had something major to do with the plot. In the end we found out that it was a cheap device used by the writers to somehow make things appear to tie up (when if fact there was no relation). Also, i remember how during first season, i would frequent lost forums discussing whether or not anyone noticed anything that might give clues about the show. I’m sure others here did that as well until we all realized it was pointless because those little tid bits had nothing to do with the show, aside from giving fanboy/fangirls something to do in their free time.
Another thing that people seem to enjoy about the show is coming up with their “theories”. Every time you read something about Lost on a forum, most posts will start with something like “my theory about xx is xx.” For example, now everyone is sitting around wondering how Locke ended up in the casket, and how he’s going to get back. Or, what did Sawyer say to Kate? Is Desmond going back to the island? What does the name “Bentham” have to do anything (followed by trips to the library to read up on Bentham), etc etc… Seriously why do they bother?
Other things such as high-schoolish love triangles keep the sensitive types happy. The Jack-Kate-Sawyer thing has gone on long enough without any major dialogue between any of them. Just stuff like Sawyer sees Kate with Jack, and Kate looks back at Sawyer with a sad look (or flip Jack and Sawyere there for extra variety). How do people think that it makes for good drama is beyond me. People started going on about how they cried when Desmond called Penny on xmas, or when they realized how Penny was the one that rescued them… yawn!
So here we are at the end of season 4 and the writers have figured out that by creating stupid, pointless cliff hangers, and mysteries it will keep the drooling fanboys and fangirls happy by coming up with their own ideas and “theories”. They don’t have to write any interesting stories any more – just mention something vague about how some character has a mystery and they’re all hooked for more. The show is nothing more than a memory game with the only catch being that there are no matching pairs.
Very well put. It is fascinating how some people think that loosely connecting plot elements together makes for great writing. It is incredibly easy to come up with cliffhangers and “shocking” dialogue lines like “… because their orders are to kill everyone on the island”. It’s a hell of a lot harder to make those make sense in the big picture.
These guys are doing exactly what the Wachowski brothers did with the Matrix trilogy: start out with a bang, introduce awesome ideas, keep the viewers guessing but in the end, nothing is explained; nothing feels finished and everyone feels cheated.
Speaking of fanboys I found these comments on another forum (non lost, but they have a lost thread full of droolers). One poor soul even tried to bash the show but got gang-flamed quite quickly. If you’re feeling down, laughing at these comments posted right after the season finale will cheer you up:
ha! wow! wowowowoowowowowoowow
What an episode….Now we have to wait like 8 months….But what a finale!!!!
A lot of questions were answered. I feel content. (what questions might those have been? what the term ‘frozen donkey wheel’ represented?)
LOST OWNS ANY SHOW ON TV! This is/was the best season so far.
I agree.
LOST is the Michael Jordan of tv shows … it comes once every 10-15 years.
This season finale of Lost is/was better than all of the Lakers-Spurs series.
Man, I hope this show goes on for another 4-5 seasons.
If a lot these actors, ie Terry Oquinn, Michael Emerson, Yunjin Kim, Henry Ian Cusick, etc., and the show itself doesn’t get nominated for an Emmy, than the award has lost whatever credibility it still has left. (i was dying after reading this one)
Holy hell…my jaw is still on the floor. I am still digesting. I yelled out loud so many times…my heart raced, the anxiety was like nothing else. Did anyone else scream “you better show us who’s in that coffin!!!! COME ON!!!!” thinking they might not????
Whoever thinks this show sucks after this season’s finale should go shoot themselves. This is arguably the best show on all of TV (cable, local, etc.)
I hate haters of Lost. If you think Lost is stupid and you watch it, you should just shoot yourself. This show could be one of the best shows of all time depending on how it ends.
I wanted to hug Juliet. Man was she sad about the boat blowing up.
How nice of Sawyer to leap from a helicopter, swim God knows how long, and manage to lose his shirt along the way. I mean, seriously?
Lost is the best show of all time. Everyone quote me.
I don’t know, i’m a bit disappointed with you guys and the nit-picking. Too much complaining about the donkey wheel (c’mon, they needed something more fantastical that a light switch or red button) and not enough about the almost complete abandonment of the plot and any of the major themes.
I see how they neatly set it up though, in that showing what happens after the six leave and Badass John Locke gets killed (somebody mentioned a jumping off platform up above) all the ‘mysteries’ could also neatly and effectively be explained, but the fact is if they had a notion of what the explanations would be they wouldn’t have so heavy-handedly and artificially avoided these explanations all this time.
I gotta admit that even the episodes that i’ve ‘enjoyed’ and have drawn me back in were still purely on a pulp level, I have no faith anymore in any sort of depth and brilliance and beauty that once was possible.
what sucked:
1) Sawyer jumping….completely stupid. If you have a leak, you don’t get rid of the weight u fix the hole.
2) the wireless little mp3 player thing rambo was wearing was connected to the boat’s c4? u mean to tell me that hi-tech satellite phones dont work that well on the island but the mp3 player does?
3) Desmond…he’s not one of the oceanic six, but he survives yet we don’t hear much of him
4) Ben’s little wheel turning thing. seriously wtf
5) the c4 explosives/nitrogen usage…seriously? you’re telling me that you have this much explosives all wired in a tricky manner and you just happen to have 1 canister of liquid nitrogen..but only one, isn’t that a little cliche?
I would go on but I’m sure yall covered most of it. This show had potential to be outright amazing, especially the first 2 seasons. They should have focused more on DHARMA initiative and less on random crap with random new characters and flashforwards and stuff.
I’m still gonna watch this show, its a good show…its just on the decline recently. I kinda want to know what is going on
I’m glad somebody else brought up the nitrogen/C4. Here’s my question: If you’re freezing the battery with nitrogen, won’t you also freeze the cables? And if you freeze the cables, shouldn’t you be able to cut them safely—thus disarming the bomb?
And what about the time displacement between the island and the ship? When Rambo-guy died, shouldn’t there be one helluva delay before the signal reaches the ship? Stupid writers.
There have been so many yell-at-the-TV moments mentioned above, and nobody has brought up mine: When the gang on the life raft is about to be picked up by Penny’s boat, holier-than-thou I’m-the-decider Jack tells everyone “Let me do all the talking!” Well you know what? FUCK YOU JACK!! I wish to God Kate had pulled out her sidearm, struck one of her Rambo-lite “I’ve had police training” poses, and put a bullet through dipshit’s head. You know, like the Season 1 Kate might’ve done.
great point about the time delay only it wasn’t a delay because the island is in the future relative to the outside world so the bomb should have gone before they even started using the nitrogen
You have to factor in willind suspension of disbelief but at some point you just have to go “that’s too much!”
The whole explosives thing just sent me over, because didn’t Desmond say, “disconnect the battery, BOOM!”? Wouldn’t freezing the battery essentially be doing the same thing? Fuck it, I don’t even care anymore. At least we got to see Walt Chamberlain again.
OK, I’m waiting for some anal retentive basement dwelling nerd to say what Jeremy Bentham is an anagram for or what it represents, IE some obscure writer or what not.
Some life left in me, but this typing was like Walken in Dead Zone, it drains my life to rip into it anymore. If I get my energy back, I’ll do a critique.
CPT P
I had the same thought about the battery freezing versing disconnecting issue. you might be the expert in this field captain: is C4 actually a conductor? i would think it does not have the properties to be a conductor and if this is the case, couldn’t ya just pluck out all the wires in the C4, since it wouldn’t break any circuits?
versus
Not an expert though in my younger days I was a bomb loader. I have an EOD guy sitting near me, I’ll ask him what he thinks of that scenario and if just plucking wires would have done anything. Then again, desmond and Jin weren’t EOD experts so they’d be hesitant to pull wires.
Desmond wasn’t on the plane. Desmond and Penelope helped the 6 stage a fake rescue on the island in the last five or so minutes. Desmond didn’t join them.
FYI: Jin didnt die
I’ve lost the will to rip into this episode. Unlike the Lmeisters, I need my fix so I’ll be back, but unfortunately I will be newly arriving in my next duty station (Iraq) when Lost kicks off next year. So, if I can get online I will keep an eye out, but for now, I just got to say this episode really went over the edge. It is no longer Lost, it is Lost 2.0. They just scrapped the old ideas (like it can “all be explained by science”) and created a new series. Sure, I can recite a list of what all was wrong with it, but I just don’t have it in me anymore. I’ll keep an eye on the board over the summer, assuming we have a nice posting topic from Tyler, but come next season I probably won’t be around here except in spirit.
It’s been a pleasure the past year or so, and hopefully I can get Season 6 in real time (I’m following Iraq with a tour in Europe – look out Laurent).
CPT Preevyet
Good luck. may God be with you, brother
Dear CPT,
It would be really nice if the Mrs. and I could get your address so we can write to you. Any chance of that? Let us know and we can exchange via email
I’ve given out my real e-mail before, and e-mailed Nico Toscani a couple times. I am preevyet at hotmail dot com. From there, I will direct you to my Army address. Dang, now the mystery of preevyet will be revealed. I’m actually CPT H.
CPT P
Well, at least SOME mystery has been revealed! Now you are ahead of LOST!
Anybody remember the “Saving Private Sawyer” episode where members of the Others walked out one by one into an open field of fire? What exactly happened to the bad-ass Others that could sneak around and steal babies and stuff?
Instead of hunkering down and creating a defensive position, they all walked out the front door and were picked off easily by the comandos.
Its like watching a cuckoo clock every week.
Does anyone not give a rats-ass that Ben is after Widmore’s daughter?
Oh and I stopped watching after the after school special appendix episode. Still cant bring myself from not reading this site though.
Good times!
Ah, just a point of order: the people who walked out of those doors weren’t Others, they were the survivors/extras who opted to go with Locke instead of Jack. The “bad-ass Others that could sneak around and steal babies and stuff” (love that description) went to The Temple, whatever the hell that is.
Just thought I’d answer your question.
After watching the finale, my wife and I have decided that it’s time to find a new show on Thursday nights.
We are just plain exhausted from being intellectually insulted by the writers of this now inane and banal show. It’s gotten to the point where we say things like “Well at least it didn’t suck as much as last week’s episode,” when we used to say “Why do we have to wait a whole WEEK until the next episode? Can’t wait!” We haven’t said that in a long, long time and we’re sick of it.
We’ve never been the kind of people who wanted “answers”. We just wanted to be entertained by a show we felt was clever, innovative and compelling. It has been none of those 3 things for longer than we can remember.
As other posters have mentioned, this site kept the show morbidly interesting for us longer than it should have, and for that we thank you all most profoundly. And Tyler, a very special thanks for maintaining the site!
Good luck to all of you and our most sincere appreciation for the insightful and entertaining comments you’ve all shared over the past two years. Fare thee well……
Affectionately,
Dr. and Mrs. Love
C’mon guys! You’ve got at least 6 months to decompress and recharge your batteries!
By the way, did you know JJ Abrams has ANOTHER sci-fi drama in the works? It’s called “Fringe.” Here’s the IMDB synopsis: “A [2008] television drama centered around a female FBI agent who is forced to work with an institutionalized scientists in order to rationalize a brewing storm of unexplained phenomena.”
It’s like the worst of “The X-Files” coupled with “Lost!”
Whaddya say Tyler? whyfringesucks[dot]com?
JJ Abrmas should be jailed for fraud. Seriously. That that guy gets work is illustration enough of how fucked up TV is. He’s like Lucy with the Goddamn football.
Read a book instead.
“I-I Just don’t know enough”
Two things I really cannot fathom:
1) Crew members on the boat were going crazy. They had cabin fever. They were walking the halls with nothing to do, and killing themselves with boredom. And every day they walked right past the ROOM FILLED WITH EXPLOSIVES. What did the soldiers do? Throw a sheet over the GIANT BOMB? I can’t figure out why they were still ferrying people on once they knew there was a bomb on the boat.
2) The “terrible things” Jack et al need to go back to the island to fix. Half the cast is off the island, even Ben and Locke, and the other half died in this episode. What terrible things happen? Sawyer’s advances ignored by Juliet? Bernard and Rose get divorced?
That is the beauty of Lost. They don’t have to explain anything, just allude to it, and the fanboys buy it.
It’s just like the controversy with the B3 Bomber. You know what I’m talking about. That’s why we’re at war with the Albanians.
its actually the beauty of intelligence. They rather the audience think for themselves and put the pieces together, rather than spell everything out like a ‘retard dinner theater’.
I know this may surprise you all but somethings are better left without a scooby-doo reveal after each mystery.
I don’t have anything to add to the above comments regarding how truly awful this episode was, except that I think I have figured out the renaming of Locke as “Jeremy Bentham”. It has nothing to do with any of Bentham’s utilitarian thinking; instead, the writers are referencing Bentham’s strange request to have his body preserved after he died and put on display in a box at some college in England. It was his own way of achieving some kind of bizarre immortality. Therefore “Locke in the Box” is not really deceased in the coffin, he is “the everlasting Bentham”. It is good to know that the Lost writers remembered something from their university philosophy courses.
There is another thing that really pissed me off this week. When the Red Sox played in Seattle last week, the local Fox broadcast showed the terrible actress who plays Juliet in the crowd — wearing a Sox hat and a whole freaking Sox sweatsuit I think (I guess she lives in the Seattle area someplace). I am pretty confident that she has no connection at all to Boston, so she, like millions of others, has jumped on the chic “Red Sox nation” bandwagon, blissfully unaware of the Red Sox’s horrible history of racism and shabby treatment of minority players. It looked like over half the fans at the stadium were in Red Sox gear. How sad, it is just so cool to be a Red Sox fan, just like ten years ago it was de rigueur to suddenly become a rabid Packers follower. It does figure that that Juliet gal would be on board with that whole pathetic crowd. Not that I need any more reason to detest Lost more than I already do, but I guess when something unexpected crops up that confirms everything I hate about the show, it tends to further confirm my already well settled opinion.
Hey don’t blame the Red Sox, they are just a reflection of Boston which is very embarassingly racist while ironically being a historical center of progressivism from abolitionist times onward.
And at least they aren’t the epitome of all that is souless and Evil. I am of course speaking of the New York Yankees, who steal children and make them into bats.
let’s go Blue Jays!
Thanks Tommyj! I knew the name Jeremy Bentham sounded familiar but I wasn’t interested enough to look it up. What fired my neurons was an old Ripley’s Believe It Or Not comic book from the 1970s that told Bentham’s story and had a drawing of him preserved and on display (standing, not lying down). Man, that was over 30 years ago and I still remember this nonsense!
“horrible history of racism”?
“shabby treatment of minority players”?
That sounds more like the Italian national football team.
Back to LOST. The finale did suck, and the show should have been cancelled.
Godspeed, Preevyet. Good luck and take care.
Why the fuck did they leave a perfectly good boat??
Why is Michael dead but Turniphead crashes head first in a helicopter into the ocean & comes out dry as a 95 year old woman’s cooter?
WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN???
Don’t forget: the real question is not where the children (or what is that big fucking statue thing), but why no one on the show asks, “Where are the children? And how can we get them off the island? And what on earth is that big fucking statue thing?”
Also, “who are these people on the beach with us and why don’t they ever speak? Were they traveling on Oceanic with a tour group of mutes?”
Hi you all,
I’ve never really spent much time posting on this site, but I’ve read about every comment everyone made in the last year and a half. Some were downright pathetic (faq-ignoring fanboys, you know them…), others made me laugh so hard that I must have woken up everyone in my appartment building.
Sadly, this site became a gazillion times more entertaining the Lost itself. At this point I’m actually very relieved to know that season 4 was a shorter season then the previous ones. I’m very sure that I would have done some serieus damage in my neighbourhood if I had to stand watching season 4 expand over 20+ episodes of borefest to finally culminate in this sorry excuse for a season finale. THANK GOD they only made half the number of episodes…
I’m done watching Lost. I don’t care if the island explodes in a big fat fire ball of unsolved mysteries or goes down in the ocean like a turd in my toilet. I don’t care if Kate hooks up with Sawyer or Jack or even Vincent. i don’t care if Botox might twitch a face muscle in season 5 or 6. I don’t care what the smoke monster is, it’s probably a JJ Abrams fart anyway. I don’t care where the children are, but I’m very sure they’re in a happy place, ’cause they’re NOT IN the show. I don’t care anymore.
My intelligence, or what is left of it after 4 seasons of Lost, has been severely insulted. The promise of everything being explainable by science was a very appealing one, but with the writers clearly having abandoned this, i feel betrayed.
I kept on hoping that “it was just a temporary dip in the writing”, but I may have been too naïve, too hopeful.
Shoot me.
But I’m done watching it.
I won’t be checking this board when the new season starts, becauqe most of the times, the comments make me want to watch the episodes just to see how bad they have become. I won’t wast anymore of my time like that, so I’m afraid I won’t check this board anymore.
I hope that you all have a good time on this board, I surely did.
Have a good life everybody! Goodbye!
Thanks for this remark, I tend to agree. I do sooo like to have something to complain about though.
How comforting to return and find a familiar host of beloved WLS characters still furiously beating the dead horse that is Lost… and discussing fromage… oui oui mon ami, Laurent.
Dear dear Tyler. You are truly unflappable. I scanned the posts from the past few weeks with great interest. I will say nothing of that nauseatingly pedantic article by Tom, a Communications major, I presume, lest I suffer the same fate as BigJim. More of the same; I see that posters are overwhelmingly in agreement about how putrid this season has been. Allow me, however, to ring a dissonant note by suggesting that the Season Finale was GOOD and indeed almost (although not quite) redemptive of the show.
Despite the nauseating bits (Sawyer jumping off the chopper, the C4 nonsense, Kate’s gorilla warfare skills, Ben turning the magic donkey wheel of life, the squirrel pelt on Jack’s face, Locke in the coffin, etc.), a number of key questions were answered and many languishing mysteries were at long last resolved. YES, I emerged from the experience feeling something akin to viewer satisfaction, dag naggit. For the love of Pete, wasn’t it nice that they closed the book on the Desmond/Penny plot? I shed a tear, I did, brotha.
Ultimately, I think that they closed the chapter on the mess that the show had become in the cleanest way that they could: by means of a literal tabula rasa: Ben spins the wheel and the Island goes bye bye. Fresh start. The six return and the mission to go home begins anew. Fuck the smoke monster, the Dharma initiative, the polar bear, the long suffering children, and the many twisted dangling plot lines and questions that will never get answered. Are they attempting to make a contract with the audience: let go of all that stuff and we will give you an entirely new batch of tiresome mysteries? In any event, I think that this final episode did what the entire season failed to do: it rekindled some measure of curiosity. And none of you can deny that you are not curious to see those idiots return the island and wander aimlessly through the jungle once more.
Most of you should be familiar with my long and distinguished history of shitting on this show. So, I think that I speak with some measure of authority when I say that this Season Finale wasn’t half bad. Come on! Admit it or Bring it. I pity the fool.
You are correct, this episode was a good episode. Of Lost 2.0. What happened in S1, S2, was Lost 1.0, and what happened then has nothing much to do with Lost 2.0 save the same characters/actors. I really hope I get to see next season but in between getting my butt shot at and dodging IEDs, I don’t see it in my future. I’m literally done with Lost, not by choice mind you, but I’m done nonetheless.
turkey, as always you are eloquent as you opine. still, I’ve been hit or miss here mostly b/c I haven’t been watching, but was struck by one point you made…
re: the show plowing forward and leaving old [unanswered] mysteries behind, it seems they’d *like* to, but instead have decided to patronize and condescend the audience by making overt, nay, mocking attempts to give us those answers.
example (if i don’t remember this correctly, sorry… I was half asleep): locke and ben in the orchid (?) control room. locke asks a pretty direct question about dharma (something like “what is the dharma initiative?” or “what’s up with this station down here?”.
ben’s answer is “here, watch this very informative video, which will explain everything”. bad enough, but then just when the video IS ABOUT TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING, it cuts out.
c’mon.
“Ultimately, I think that they closed the chapter on the mess that the show had become in the cleanest way that they could: by means of a literal tabula rasa: Ben spins the wheel and the Island goes bye bye. Fresh start. The six return and the mission to go home begins anew. Fuck the smoke monster, the Dharma initiative, the polar bear, the long suffering children, and the many twisted dangling plot lines and questions that will never get answered.”
I may have spotted a flaw in your logic Turkey. According to flashforward Jack, his whole raison d’etre is to return to the island in order to set things right. This strongly implies that the island and all its nonsense are not gone. And I believe that it will return sooner rather than later. What, are they gonna spend the next 25-30 eps just on the 6 in civilization? Are Jack and Kate and going to set up their own private eye business in order to get people outta jams? Are we going to watch Sun run her multinational company? Not even the Lost writers are that incompetent.
Or are they…?
By the way, did anyone notice how STUPIDLY the writers “crafted” Sun’s takeover of her father’s company? Unless Oceanic’s payouts were in the BILLIONS to each of the six, there is no way in hell she could leverage a controlling interest in a multinational conglomerate.
Just when Turkey had me thinking I should cut the show some slack, I’m right back in angry-mode again!
Yeah I commented about Sun’s out-of-leftfield coup at daddy’s company in the episode before this one. Must be someone there who watched a lot of Dynasty or Dallas. Incredibly bad writing.
Well, perhaps I overstated my point, Raptusregaliter, but I disagree that my logic is flawed. They will return to the island (I never suggested that they wouldn’t — quite the contrary), but it is nonetheless a fresh start because they will have some inkling of what they are up against, although they don’t know what or who pulls the strings. If nothing else, there is at least a new focus to the show and it badly needed it. The idea that ALL of them MUST return to the island in order to extract their friends is interesting. An entire season will likely be devoted to how they will all be lured back. Time will tell whether the show’s creators/writers will mess up a potentially good thing by reintroducing the same old stale material (smoke monster, hatches, Dharma tapes, Patchy…) but my hunch is that they are trying to turn the page on the stuff that went sour, like the children. That said, I have no faith left in this show because they have such a poor sense of viewer fatigue.
I gave up on this shitty show a long time ago, only to give up on this shitty fan site not long there after. TV is what it is, it’s brain candy for life’s disenchanted. The great unwashed trapped in their 3000 sqft McCrapsions assuaged nightly by the 46″ LCD pumping out Nero’s circus via broadcast. Voilá! Welcome to the rest of your miserable lives. 30 minute commute in SUV back to the burbs and repeat daily until death, and this is progress. Absurd.
I’m sure Mr./Mrs. Meister/”Tyler” will keep stoking the banal droning about wishes and expectations for next season’s weekly 45 minutes of fiction for those afflicted with attention deficits.
Thank you for reminding me why I abhor TV, and why my parents shielded me from its life-sucking powers.
Ciao
we all know you watch just as much tv as the rest of us, and that you love this site. Thanks for stopping by!
Ha! You only have a 46″ LCD? I have a 50″ DLP. I live but 10 minutes from work, and I drive a Kia Rio. See Laurent, not everyone in America Drives an SUV. Funny how the Europeans pay top dollar for our big SUVs/Trucks when we (servicemen) bring them over. Envy, Laurent, is one of the 7 deadly sins.
You won’t be in Europe, you’ll be fighting another war for AIPAC lobby in Iran. Another useless and losing battle. The Iraq disaster didn’t even produce cheap oil. Did you fools accomplish anything besides Sadam’s head in W’s trophy room.
If Europeans buy SUVs, they are rarely American, but Japanese or German.
That’s why we sell our big ol’ American SUVs for top dollar when we get there. Every guy/gal I know that took one over sold it for thousands more when they got there. No one makes big, gas guzzling SUVs like the USA.
WTF is “top dollar”? The dollar is worthless.
Only a tiny minority of European SUV drivers drive U.S.-made ones. The only ones I ever see are H2s.
I don’t think they have decided to forget all the old mysteries by a long shot. They will continue to randomly drop in things related to the past mysteries just to continue to tease us with them. Also, the whole idea of starting fresh would not be welcomed by even a lot of the diehards who are waiting to have all the old mysteries still explained. So yeah I don’t believe that the moving of the island is the writers’ attempt to start fresh, but rather another cheesy plot line. Next season we will see the same old island again, with its same old lame characteristics.
Even though the island will be moved, it will probably still have the same great sunny weather everyday.
What monkey said.
If they bring back the island, they bring back EVERYTHING! Don’t see any other way for them to proceed without alienating a big chunk of the fanboy fanbase.
But let’s say there is a “fresh start” on the island. Does anyone honestly believe that the writing going forward will be any better than what we’ve come to expect? I doubt it. These show-runners just aren’t very good. Which is something I think we all agree on.
I only saw the last 5 minutes of this episode and it was like nothing had transpired since I last succumbed to this vomit.
Can anyone tell me who the pilot of the helicopter was and why he’s so willing to go along with a cover up of the island, and why he pretends he’s best buddies with Jack and the rest of the losers? Or is it just more of the same, with random characters skipping the whole relationship development thing and acting totally at odds with how normal people act?
And as for “moving the island.” Damn. That is retarded. Anyone want to explain to me why Ben didn’t just move the island orginally if he was so scared about being found?
And one more thing. If I had been stuck on that damn island, there is no fuckin’ way I would go back. So it will be a very interesting contortion of logic to see how they will get a bunch of people back to an island when they never explained why they were there in the first place. More soap opera bullshit.
The helo pilot was actually the guy who was supposed to fly Oceanic 815, but traded or something. He felt he owed it to himself to find them since he knew the plane under the water was a ruse (the pilot was married and in the close up shot of the pilot underwater, he wasn’t wearing a ring). Ben didn’t move the island before because if you move it you can’t go back to it, it thrust him to Tunisia 2 years later, so there’s a time/space displacement if you turn the donkey wheel.
Wow, someone paid attention!
I try.
Nobody is talking about the one big issue here:
The main characters are not “LOST” anymore. I know that the word can have several meanings, but still, the fact that they’re no longer trying to get rescued changes the story completely.
For the last 4 years, this show has gotten overly complicated, its plot contrived and far-fetched to the point of ridiculous. But there has always been something familiar about it: everybody can relate to trying to go home.
And now, that thin thread that kept the show grounded on reality is gone. Now it’s all about “finding their way back to the electromagnetic island full of mysterious diseases, dangerous wild animals, insane kidnapping natives, monsters and ghosts”. Yeah, remember the last time you had to do that in real life?
And the worst part is that they had a whole season to explain to us exactly WHY would we want to go baaaaack and failed. If the writers don’t bother giving us a real reason to keep watching, why do we keep tuning in?
It’s not because it’s good a show. It’s because it’s too late to quit. We’ve past the point of no return. And now all we can do is either go into denial, become fanboys and start actually defending things like the frozen donkey wheel, or stop watching and leave with some of our dignity intact.
Think about: at least when the show ends, and people start bitching about how much the last episode sucked frozen donkey balls, you’ll be able to say: Were you still watching that crap?
you’re absolutely right, and pretty much everyone here agrees with you that the show has gotten overly complicated. I personally don’t think they will be able to resolve every issue they have created in the next two season, so we’re all just going to have to suck it up and take what they give us. I gaurantee it won’t satisfy all the plot holes they’ve dug
Wow that is really overcomplicated. So the not-dead-pilot did what any reasonable person burning with the curiosity of what happened to several hundred people. And then, when he found them on this bizarre island with no answers, he spontaneously became so uncurious that he promptly agreed to cover up a fake plane crash.
Tunisia? Whatever.
Do you think the writers ever ask themselves “how the fuck did we get here?”
I think Frank (the pilot) was eager to get answers so he volunteered, but after he realized who he was flying back and forth to the island(a bunch of badasss mercenaries hellbent on killing everyone) he realized he was in waaay over his head.I think he learned his lesson about getting involved way to deeply and was just happy to get the hell away from that place.
hmmm, sounds like the writers are counting on fans like to you fill in the story for them. maybe we should pitch a show where all we do is show random people/events/objects (including a box!!) and just let the audience make up the story around it.
isn’t that what any good mystery story is supposed to do?
I was under the impression that some things are better left to the imagination instead of having every little detail hand-fed to me.
I know that this is the LEAST of all the problems in logic, but what would Aaron be feeding on, as he would need milk or at least some form of such – proteins and nutrition. Dharma powdered milk, most likely, but he never has a bottle or anything implying he has such resources at his grasp, so to speak. Or maybe he has and I missed it. He survived the helicopter crash without hardly crying much. Babies need to suck – you couldn’t just splash it in his face or pour drink down his throat with much success. Um…yeah… So that’s my rant, I guess. Don’t get me started on any of the other stuff.
I don’t know if someone brought this up yet, but I was baffled when they took Claire’s baby from Penny’s boat and put her on the one to go to the OTHER island that was…what? 3 hours away!!!!! I was thinking HOW RIDICULOUS IS THIS? Why not leave the baby on Penny’s boat? It’s not Kate’s anyway. I don’t know…maybe they felt it was their duty to keep the baby or something.
Sorry, correction…”him”…since the baby is a boy.
I want to elaborate on my explanation that there never was an island and there were only 6 survivors on a raft: There were more survivors but the Oceanic 6 ate the other ones and to process their traumatic experience made up stories of mysterious DHARMA, creepy Others and psychopathic mercenaries. Then they all go to jail because their stories don’t add up at all. Then the producers of Lost go to jail for the same reason.
i just want to say, thank you everyone for watching the show and keeping the ratings high enough so that it stays on air. oh and also thanks for promoting.
Stop wasting your time posting and get back to fellating me.
Both of you stop with the daisy-chain and I may give one of you a reach-around.
1) Most common thought I had during the finale: “Boy that was stupid.”
2) “Let’s lie to everyone about where we’ve been for the last three months!”
“Dude, that’s like….why?”
“Because we forgot to ask any relevant questions or learn anything important about the island or the people there. People back home are gonna think we’re just making stuff up so we can sell our story to a TV network or something.”
3) “I’m a doctor, dammit! I fix people. I’ve got to get off this island so I can develop at least one more character trait.”
3a) “I’m a pill guzzling booze hound, dammit! I’ve got to get back to that island so I can fix things like only *I* can.”
4) Four seasons in and at least Kate is no longer the wishy-washy hanger-on that she started out as…er, well, at least Hurley isn’t still fat and emotionally unstab…uh…Locke, at least, is uh…I forget, is Locke crazy now or just stupid? At least he can still walk, unlike in the pilot…crap. At least Desmond isn’t back to being that guy with only one thing on his…well at least Sayid has moved on from his murderous past and…and…did I mention how much Aaron has changed over the run of the show? Not to mention Walt.
I guess they don’t really have all that much to tell. Kate had a baby and Sun grew some (poorly written) ‘nads. Then they found a raft and paddled away.
this is hillarious i laughed my ass off reading these comments, i too have tried to hang on to hope and maybe see a least one more really good episode since season 2 but it hasnt happened. Its like the producers and writers are trying to squeeze every last penny out of the show and trying to keep viewers coming back, obviously they are just killing the show by doing this. Its like every time you think you will actually find something out they have another flashback which tells you nothing, now that they have pretty much covered everything in the past its fucking flash forwards!
It has probably turned into one of the most frustrating shows to watch ever……
The other night, I watched an episode of season 3 with my brother, who has been working his way through the DVDs for a while now, and it occurred to me that you could watch all the episodes of seasons 3 and 4 in random order and it wouldn’t screw up the logic of the story at all.
Or rather, there is no story at all, and so you are just staying in the same place no matter what episode you watch or in what order.
I know the comment rodeo is just about over, but I wanted to throw in a few more.
1) Seasons 1-4 were about the survivors getting off the island. It appears that seasons 5-6 will be about the survivors trying to get back on the island. Ben sets it up in the final scene. “All of you have to go back together.” Man, how will Jack gather up all of the Oceanic 6 and convince them they have to go back with Locke’s corpse – together, at the same time! I bet that will take at least 32 episodes.
2) Locke’s paralysis is cured only on the island. Thus, when he leaves the island, his paralysis reappears. In seasons 5 and 6 we are going to see more of Locke in a wheelchair chasing after the Oceanic 6 screaming, “don’t tell me what I can’t do!”
3) One comment on Keamy (Keemy? Keamey?) and his jogging heart monitor connected to the bomb. I’m not an electricial engineer, but I do know that you might have some trouble broadcasting a radio signal from a giant cave many hundreds of feet inside a mountain. As soon as Rambo (Keemy?) took the elevator down into the cave, the signal would be cut, and the bomb would have blown up.
4) The little “bloop” in the water when the island “moved”. Now, if this was an island composed of many hundreds of thousands of tons of rock, wouldn’t it make more than a “bloop” if it was physically moving as the disturbance in the water was designed to suggest? Wouldn’t there have been a massive tsunami?
omg… i just thought of the best idea ever if it turned out that the island moving was the surce of the 2004 tsunami!
anyway i think thay need j.j abrahms back so show doesent get any worse.
What? No summer topic? This site sucks!
For anyone interested, I’ve started my own blog that I plan to update as my next year and a half unfolds. No snotty comments, please. Just click the link, but at this time I haven’t really put much into it.
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Best Drama nomination??? You have GOT to be shitting me.
I haven’t looked, but I don’t think there are any Best Actor nods for the Lost bunch. That would be just as bad if not worse than the Best Drama nomination.
By the way, JJ Abrams said recently that his new show, Fringe, wasn’t going to be so twisty and convoluted that people get frustrated and give up. Why change his typical modus operandi? Because, he said, he tried to watch an ep of Alias and couldn’t follow it. Ha!
No way will Abrams pull this off. First of all, he will leave the show after the first season, and secondly, it’s just not in his nature. It would be like asking a bird not to crap all over cars and statues—especially statues that have 4 toes and cars that still run even though they’ve been sitting unused in the jungle for 19 years.
Actually, Michael Emerson got a best supporting actor nom.
I’m sorry, but I still can’t understand to why you would spend so much time watching a show you absolutely hate. I can already imagine what these “LOST haters” are gonna be saying to me & shit, but still. I can’t get it, it just doesn’t click. You spend an hour every week watching this “stupid” show, then you spend probably another on the computer ranting on how stupid, annoying, ridiculous, and bad it is. I know the replies that the users on this site are gonna be giving me. Yeah, the show’s no realistic. I doubt it’s meant to be. Other shows, like “Heroes,” which really does suck and I don’t put any of time and energy into, is a show beyond ridiculous. Do you understand now? Because I hate “Heroes,” I don’t bother with it. And I definitely don’t try to get caught up when I miss an episode because I’ll just get bored with it, and I most definitely won’t be joining a “Why Heroes Sucks” website just so I can bash it with other people who enjoy wasting time. That’s all I wanted to tell you, and now I’m leaving, never to return to this.
Because it’s entertaining… and there’s nothing good on telly anyway. We might as well watch the bad stuff and rip it apart.
Sheesh, don’t you know anything?
I like Heroes. At least it didn’t try to talk down to the audience, and had some genuine twists, not the generic crap that Lost brings out every week.
because they clearly have just as much time on their hands (i.e. no life) as the uber-fanboys they spend time making fun of. Im a Lost fan (but not a total fanatic) so if people are gonna bash somthing I like im sure as hell gonna defend it regardless of what kind anti-fan bashing I receive.
Lost is in NO WAY perfect but its still a fun watch that is relatively intelligent as opposed to the rest of the garbage thats on network television.
loool….you guys are really hitting the bottom of the barrel with insults.
Its funny how when there is a really bad episode Tyler and the rest of the anti-fans kill it to the very end with very humorous insults but when there is a GOOD episode they don’t know what to say they just reply with a “…..god Lost sucks” or they say nothing at all (tyler’s alleged absence from The Constant recap).I also find it kinda funny that the number of posts per episode has dropped significantly since the 3rd season when there was 350+ responses per episode now you guys get about 120 everage, your numbers are dropping way faster than the actual show you make fun of….somone needs to start a “whyLostsucks site sucks” blog to capture every moment this site jumps the shark.
God, lost sucks….. and so do you.
nice comeback.
So the number of people posting has dropped, so has the interest in this show. It is indicitave that the show sucks so bad people can’t even bring themselves to write commentary, or that they actually got a life (Nico). I will be around to the bitter end (even a trip to Iraq next year won’t stop me). This show is really not what it used to be and the post below is spot on as to why it really sucks. Horse shit candy bar, classic.
It’s been repeated numerous times, but I’ll bring it up again anyway: If you like Lost so much, why google “Lost sucks” and come here? Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic…
I didn’t google “Lost sucks” someone gave me the link after someone pasted a quote from one of you retards that was beyond pathetic.
You know how you make fun of the show and its fans, well we do the same to you guys and all the bullshit you say.
We don’t do it because were uber-fans we do it because we love to watch you guys contradict each other and make incoherent asses out of yourselfs….it like watching monkeys throw feces at each other.
“We don’t do it because were uber-fans…”
Get over it tribalchic, you’re an uber-fan. Only an uber-fan goes to anti-whatever websites and insists on posting pro-whatever nonsense just to get a response. I don’t go to pro-Lost websites and badmouth Lost because I’m neither a tool nor a fucktard. You are both.
“…we love to watch you guys contradict each other and make incoherent asses out of yourselfs [sic]….it [sic] like watching monkeys throw feces at each other. ”
Thanks for (unintentionally) stumbling upon the entire rationale for this website—it’s exactly how we feel about the Lost writers and most of the cast.
Now why don’t you just mosey on back to the Fuselage before you embarrass yourself even further?
I just finished watching all four seasons of Lost online. The experience was somewhat like eating a horse shit candy bar. At first, it tastes great, then you’re suddenly wondering what kind of candy bar has oats and hay in it. By the time you realize you’re eating shit it’s too late so you swallow it and buy a beer. I just wanted to take a minute to make a list of the 20 most laughable things I endured:
1. Sayid.
2. Jack can do surgery on anyone anywhere any time and everything is fine in a day or so. Unless you break your leg. Then he’ll try to cut it off with a door.
3. Kate can tell everything about you by waving her hand above the ground.
4. “Doubling Back” negates Kate’s tracking super powers.
5. Desmond calls his girlfriend on Christmas and looses his see-into-the-future super powers.
6. One pallet of food is inexhaustible.
7. John Locke saying “He stole my kidney!” so often that I almost stopped thinking it was asinine.
8. Step-brother in love with/has sex with man abusing evil step sister whore.
9. Rose.
10. Magic spiders that paralyze people only long enough for them to be buried alive.
11. C4 everywhere. (Not to mention an armpit detonator.)
12. Every time there is a difficult task, someone spent a summer doing the exact thing that needs to be done. How are we going to sail the boat? I spent a summer on a sail boat. How are we going to build walkie talkies? I spent several months in military communications. How are we going to disable the bomb? I spent several months training on bomb disabling. How are we going to track these polar bears? I spent several months preparing for a hunting trip. How are we going to get the dynamite? I’m a science teacher. How are we going to shoot the dynamite? I spent a summer hunting pheasant. How are we going to fix his broken leg? I’m a world-reknowned neuro-surgeon. I’ll cut it off with this door.
13. “The sky went purple.”
14. Sawyer jumps.
15. Electromagnetism.
16. The Sonic Fence vs. the Smoke Monster.
17. The bus works.
18. The beer isn’t skunked.
19. The gay other in New York.
20. Frozen Donkey Wheel.
brilliant
heee – this site cracks me up.
I actually ‘did’ enjoy the S4 Finale… but, really, I think that’s my delusional side coming out more than anything. One thing though, why is Yunjin Kim stuck in this show? She’s a tremendous actress, but her character is really, really badly constructed!
Are you a film student or were you in film school?
Coz if you are, you’re doing a bad job; are you Zia Marashi?
And blaming your wife for starting this website……isn’t exactly an excuse.
Are you affiliated to the “star wars suck” website?
so… thoughts on fringe anyone?
Refused to watch it. JJ Abrams can make a good pilot, but then his shows always turn to shit. Not going to waste a second of my time on another one of his self-referential sci-fi potboilers.
This time he didn’t even make a good pilot. Total shit!
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time for some complaining!
The writers are obviously writing for a a different brand of intellect at this point. Even the first seasons had a fair bit of the ridiculous in them, but the story seemed to be moving along, alluding to some sort of structure, and was rife with mystery and suspense. Now they’re just as bad as Days of Our Lives.
The beginning of their self-defeating downward-spiral, for me, was the introduction of the couple who got buried alive. It was a little strange to see these background characters suddenly come to life in the script, and their story seemed unrelated and pointless to the plot of the show. But just as I was getting used to them, they were banished just as abruptly as they were presented. I kept waiting for something to happen regarding their terrible fate–some nod to it, in the very least, that could lay the issue to rest–but no, nothing was ever said or referenced. (In fact, I’m still waiting for those two to come back, since we all know anything is possible on this island. And I have the feeling that if they do, it would be more of an afterthought than being planned all along.)
It’s become more and more clear that these writers are flying by the seat of their pants, and probably have less of a clue as to what’s going on than their fans. Most of their ideas seem to come from another source other than their own brains, and the ideas they do come up with they don’t know how to follow through with. But what makes this show absolutely unsufferable for me is their indifference to their failings. Instead of trying to redeem themselves by going back and working with the storyline that interested us to begin with, they’re satisfied with the brain-dead audience they have left (and probably relieved to not have to try anymore because they know they’ll still get those high ratings.) They really ruined a good thing. But, hey, their pockets are lined, and I guess that’s what they care for the most. And, to me, that’s the biggest sign that they don’t have talent: they just don’t care if they produce crappy work, so long as they’re paid.
It’s so dissapointing. The show really was a gem that, for some reason, they decided to wipe their asses with and flush down the toilet. It could’ve been awesome.
Now, Heroes exemplifies the correct way to handle mystery and resolution. While the storyline is nowhere close to being as enthralling as Lost’s once was, the writers of Heroes seem to take great care in molding and moving the plot so that big important questions aren’t forever left unanswered. I’m all for a bit of open-endedness intended to get the audience to think, I’m not about doing someone else’s work for them. It’s one thing to intentionally leave something unanswered, and another thing altogether when it’s done out of ineptness and then spun as if it’s intentional.
If the Lost writer’s had an ounce of intelligence, they’d use this site to take your ideas to help them bridge the gaping holes in their script.
(Great site, by the way! Thanks for giving us a place to air!)
I would like to suggest an improvement.
The island manifests Jacob in human form – Jeff Bridges
When Hurley returns in season 6? there is a major dude-off.
i hope burn after reading is just as good.
Lost in a nutshell…
*explosions* *screams* *guns shooting*
jack: OMG Kate and sawyer are talking to each other! /angry stare /cry
Sawyer: -in raspy voice- hai jack! /smirk /wink at kate /angry stare
Kate: Omg hai sawyer /kiss /sex -5 mins later- Omg hai jack! /kiss /sex /angry stare
Clair: Omg wheres my baby!? wheres Aaron!?! OMG Wheres my baby!? /angry stare
Locke: The Island told me to do it! The island loves me! /coombaya. Dont tell me what I cant do x 500000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /cry /angry stare
*more explosions, guns and screaming*
Thank god they FINALLY killed Michael….Just sayin.
Just wanted to recant something from my previous post:
After seeing the premiere of Heroes season 3 last week, I no longer agree with what I said about that show. While I’ll still watch Lost when it comes back on, I’ll never watch another Heroes episode again.
Never say something like: Thank god they FINALLY killed Michael!
These guys are making these series just to make people be busy with something instead of living life. Michael could appear ANYTIME (along with all the others dead)!
The Lost series clearly shows that making TV series hasn’t come over the standards of the fifties and sixties, and neither has the ever fisting macho guy (Wow, the girls seem to have developped a lot: Instead of just serving the guys, they now behave like them).
No, Lost doesn’t suck, those like us spending valuable time of our lives are…
LOST is the most assinine, mediocre piece of cow dung ever foisted upon a television viewing audience. So when does it come back on?
Soon enough to make us spoil our real lives…
Kate / Hurley flashforward sex vid leaked onto net…
how sad are you people!!!!
that you waste time watching a show just to come on here and complain about it
not every little detail has to have an explanation its a tv show !!!
if you dont like it just dont watch it its quite simple just turn of the tv!!
There is nothing wrong about critiquing or outright ragging on the show.
I have actually worked on the show and I think it is the most over-rated piece of crap on the airwaves today! But don’t tell the actors or producers that, because they truly believe that they walk on water!
This has nothing to do with LOST… but I still want to send out mad props to our country for electing our new president, Barak Hussein Obama! This is the great American history in the making, and I have never been more proud to me an american! I can’t wait to see change come about that we so desperately need