Saving private Ben
I’m baaack. Today I suffered through not 1 but 2 episodes and am now caught up. That a lot of suckitude in one day. So tonight we got another Kate flashback episode complete with grocery store juice box drama. Then Kate goes to see two women who I really can’t even remember who they were. That’s the problem when you have a show that has probably a hundred characters; its just about impossible for the average viewer to remember them all without some giant flowchart or spreadsheet. Maybe I have blocked the trauma of 5 seasons of filler episodes with throwaway characters. Anyways.
Tonight I was impressed with Jack of all people. He actually grew a set of balls right for the first time! It was almost like in the Grinch when his heart grows 3 sizes, except Jack grew a pair of cajones to the delight of us all. Good choice. Screw Ben, that little bastard.
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The only thing that could’ve saved this turd of an episode was that if Ben had a heart attack, keeled over and died with those humongous eyes of his wide open when he saw Locke.
I want to reiterate that Ben was only supposed to be in 3 or 4 episodes in the entire series. Due to Michael Emerson’s “good acting skills” and not the necessity of Ben’s character, he got written into more episodes and now the entire show is basically about him. Now that’s what I call good planning and good writing.
jesus christ, could you people shut the fuck up about this “point”? SEVERAL television shows write their scripts and craft plotlines on the fly. battlestar fucking galactica did it.
the stupid fucking posts just can’t stop, can they?
My point was that lost could have been a completely different show– a good show. But this is what it’s become and a lot of it has to do with Ben’s one dimensionally “deceitful” character. If he were not so transparent and were more dynamic, his deceit would be way more believable. I don’t think he’s as mysterious of a character as much as the rest of them are just complete fucking morons. I’d be embarrassed to be an actor on this show until I get a new job, like the lucky ones who got out when they could.
And yes, I’m sure most television shows’ writers write their scripts on the fly, but they also don’t claim to have the whole show planned out, like the lost writers did, which was obviously a lie.
Correct! And could you image, how good LOST could have been, if they actually planned it all fittingly right from the start?!
“Every other show develops its plot on-the-fly, too!” isn’t a sufficient argument, when someone claims LOST to be “the greatest show evahhh”! As long as it doesn’t fulfill all the quite possible, it’s simply not!
and not only that if it was planned out all along somebody needed to do some proof reading a couple of seasons ago and highly discouraged them from going along the path that they have been going down for quite a time now and then that would have changed the way it is now and then there would be no why lost sucks site!!!!!!!!! oh yea. whatever happened happened happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why and the fuck did Martin Luther King have to die???? Like he said, “Can’t We all just fucking get along?” No, we all have to fucking retarded and take everybody’s words to heart. Why can’t we all be like Little fury gnomes living in the middle of the woods? All they do is sit there and fuck. They have fun 36 hours a day, why can’t we revert back to our silly, impuritant childhood? Why can’t we all be dumb asses and laugh about our impurities? No, we have to pick and prod at every little insignificant detail of every little thing. We have to take everything so seriously, we don’t know when our fucking ramen noodles are cooked or not. Fuck you America, Fuck you! I am a dumbass, nay, I AM THE DUMBASS! Follow me into the promise land, and together we shall relearn the ways of laughter and carnal knowledge, together we shall reiterate the world into one happy orgasmic floating party fuck orb, together we shall have one giant orgy consisting of everyone! (including the whites, blacks, Asians, Indians, Amish, and even some cows, no one can be excluded in this giant fuck orb!)
Now with a steady hand and a heavy heart, i shall begin crafting this fuck orb! Somewhere in central park, we shall start like some unimaginable disease, surviving cold, rain, hunger, everything just for our sexual and spiritual wants, needs. Then it will spread, yes, it will spread like a sweeping epidemic, swarming the ground, no matter where you look, people will be connected, and people WILL BE LOVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Making the world a better and happier place for all of the seed that will be planted during this massive worldwide event.
What a fucking idiot…………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
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Go fuck yourself motherfucker…….
I will, in my fuckety fuckety fuck orb, you fucking fukety naysayer! Go eat a dick you army! I shall not fight your insipid comments about my genitalia, your just a slimy beefcake.
The truth is that i do love America, i just don’t understand why we have to be so insulting to each other, why can’t we be insulting but understand that it was all banter? Why do we have to take everything so seriously? I don’t know……
Here is some reading:
www(dot)film(dot)com/tv/lost/story/why-lost-sucks-this-season/26764805
And now here’s some more good reading:
www(dot)film(dot)com/tv/lost/story/why-lost-sucks-season-readers/27012548
Keep in mind, now, that there was always going to be a leader character of the Others. I imagine that this character was going to have a similar past to Ben.
Ben being the prisoner simply worked to help produce a more compelling narrative. Sure, his getting captured is still a massive headache.
Although the argument that they kept him due to acting is bullshit: Emerson’s acting in One Of Them is terrible.
The Wizard of Oz’s real name was Henry Gale, hence, Ben was ALWAYS meant to be the leader of the Others, and in more than 3-4 episodes.
Sorry, troll. Try again next time!
They said that if Michael wasn’t a good actor, someone else would play Ben.
Magical movable bullet holes hurray!!!
yeah, it went from the heart to the right side of his chest. Brilliant.
So the question is: Determined to kill Ben, why not empty the gun completely in his head. Try then to let him survive or to move his wounds, you writers!
Woah, woah, let’s not get too clever
How could they let this go through?
That’s just amazing
I have now missed my first two episodes in 5 years. I just can’t take it any more. Might catch up on-line, probably not.
I did hear about Iraqi assasin Sayed trying to kill Ben the Kid. Let me get this straight, professional torture man, Republican Guard stud and assasin has to kill a 13 year old boy and wings him once. Since I didn’t see it, I’m sure he shot him and then it faded to black.
My scene….Sayed pops a cap in little Ben’s ass. He strolls over to the pathetic bleeding turd and says something like, “this is for all of the grief you have caused” and proceeds to slit his neck and then empties a full clip in his head. Takes a deep breath and exhales with a sigh. Now that would have been cool.
After all that, I would slit open his scrotum and then scoop out his eyeballs and switch em with his testicles… you know as my calling card.
yep terrible. sayid emptied the whole clip into the guy ben told him killed nadia
Excellent post. Yes, Sayid put a bullet into little Ben’s chest and then made off into the jungle. You’d think Sayid would have had the sense to slit little Ben’s throat, but naahh… he just left him there to bleed.
HAHAhahahaha,
yeah, that would’ve been the ultimate alpha male, macho kill ever
Thats probably because they done it on purpose, the writers are 10 steps ahead of you faggots
Yes, of course they did it on purpose, Dude. And that’s exactly why it sucks so much! It’s not only stupidity by accident, it’s even worse, it’s stupidity by free will! Bend and suspend any rules of logic, so your story can take place. THAT’S BAD WRITING! Thanks for pointing that out
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And please get rid of you aggro-language!
This show makes no sense. These characters are idiots. It’s as if they never remember how the other characters treat them. “I know ben is going to try to kill us and ruin our lives repeatedly in the future, but it would be wrong to let him die now. He’s just a kid. Maybe if we save him, we’ll change who he becomes. Okay wait, now let’s give him to the hostiles so they can save him and essentially turn him into the evil bastard that we’re trying to prevent him from becoming.” Why not. This show is a six year long april fool’s joke.
1. Yeah man its OK to let a kid die *rolls eyes*
2. They couldnt save him so they gave him too some1 who could. When they knew that giving him to the others would make him “evil” they were surrounded by hostiles. They couldnt exactly have just said “yeah sorry folks we dont wana do this, were taking him back actually”
1. If you know that he will unchangeably become pure evil it is (And you can be sure of this, cause as an unwise writer once said “Whatever happened…”)
{”But hey, as the conversation between Miles and Hurley showed maybe not everything that happened will happen. So remembering that Kate had stiil hope for Ben”. But most disappointing: She can’t remember as she didn’t witness that conversation}
2. They could exactly have done that. At least give it a chance and try, resulting in either being able to walk away freely with Mr. wandering wound or in Richard simply saying “Sorry, my question was nothing but rhetorical. Give him to us, NOW!” and then being able to walk away freely. Not much to lose I’d say except incredibility.
Actually, the conversation between Miles and Hurley (which proved once and for all that Hurley is a complete moron) is later explained away by Richard saying “Oh, yeah, and he won’t remember any of this. He’ll be one of us.”
Now isn’t that convenient.
I bet there’s ohhhhhh roughly 72 million people who would have let hitler die as a child if they knew what he’d do later in life. oh no wait. i’m sure all 72 million would take the high road and say “noooo he’s just a child. we must save him, even though he’s going to kill us!” let me let you in on a little secret: children become adults.
*sticks out tongue*
yeah because Ben is as bad as hitler
So now it IS okay to let a child die… if he’s hitler. That’s a little inconsistent with your previous, holier than thou, every child is a saint, eye rolling stance.
Personally, if i were a lostie, I would consider Ben worse than Hitler, considering that Hitler never tried to kill me.
Oh yeah and speaking of which, remember when Ben let his daughter die? She was a kid. Gotta save ben now so he can let her die later right?
It struck me as retardedly wussy for everyone to do whatver adult Ben says… but then try to kill him when he’s a kid. Come on Sayid… what a great friggin assassin.
Meghan Joy Corkrey was eliminated from American Idol tonight. She was hot in a dirty girl kinda way but was a complete crackhead. It was her time and I’m glad she was given the boot. Now she can head back to Utah and become one of several wives for some Mormon freak.
It gives me a great deal of pleasure knowing that I contributed, in an extremely miniscule way, to the decreased ratings of Lost while helping American Idol further demolish the competition.
proof that ratings doesnt = quality, im sure
yeah, dude, congratulations on being an american idol watcher. fucking hoser.
I watched the number one show in America and you watched a sci-fi soap opera while sitting on a frozen hot dog. Now, I’m not saying American Idol isn’t gay I’m just saying somebody watching a nonsensical show about time traveling really shouldn’t be passing judgment.
When somebody gets done singing the judges critique them.
If it were like Lost:
Seacrest: “Simon, what did you think of that performance?”
Simon: “It’s not important.”
(Boom noise, cut to commercial)
Seacrest: “Paula?”
Paula: “Don’t ever ask me that again”
Seacrest: “How about you Randy?”
Randy: “We don’t have time for me to explain my vote to you now!”
Boom. AMERICAN IDOL.
Haha the Paula question was great, touché.
Very good!
Seriously, somebody should make a youtube clip “If American Idol was like Lost.” It would go viral w/in hours.
Too good
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Secrest: We had 9 singers last week but now there are only 3 left. We are offering no explanations as to why they are not here and they will never be heard from again….or they are dead….or not…..or in 1977….
lol, I can’t help feel that would actually be an improvement on American Idol.
YES YES thats it you hit the locke right on the head and now the little bitch is throwing a hissy fanboy fit crying what am i gonna do now simon waaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I watched the first season of lost and then started watching again when season four started. I thought season 4 was really good but season 5 and this last episode was just retarded. What was up with that cuban guy saying he was gonna take Ben’s innocence? That is wrong on so many levels.
wait so you missed season 2 and 3?
sit the fuck down
You missed season 3? You lucky bastard. Stand the fuck back up!
the second half of season 3 was godly :/
So that’s why I found it so unbelievably dumb.
You mean except for for example”Charly sacrificing himself completely in vain as there was plenty enough time to leave the going to be flooded room before shutting the door”, right? But your actually right. The “let’s entrap and kill the other’s raid-party plot” was infact satisfying, but as only one small bright moment in a long dark night relatively neglectable.
asadshame: you got that right. not only was there time for charlie to swim out, but he probably didn’t need to swip down there to begin with since he could have just cut the power cable on the beach to disable the jamming device. charlie getting killed off remains one of thie things about this show that pisses me off the most. that and about 20 other things…
It’s becoming more and more of a cliche, but I have to say that this episode was even worse than the one before.
I missed the first 15 minutes or so but when I tuned in I noticed that somehow young Ben was very much alive and for a guy that was in critical condition he looked in good shape. I missed what his actual injuries were and why he was dying, but it still seemed quite silly how they managed to transport him in the VW bus at a slow pace, trek through the jungle, have a dialogue with the others, and still he’s in great shape.
I won’t get into the whole bit of Kate and Juliet wanting to save Ben for moral reasons because that just has too much ‘WTF’ to get into.
Every scene with Kate was painful. I felt l like i was watching some shitty ABC fem-drama every time kate was on screen. Wow she connected with Ben’s dad, had a disagreement with Juliet but then worked with her, and went through some issues with aaron. ZZZZZZZ….
So instead of advancing the plot all we see is filler about Kate’s off island issues in a supermarket, and some girl to girl talk about raising kids. I guess the actual bit of the island and being ‘lost’ isn’t a concern to anyone anymore. All that filler just to show us that it was the ohers that turned Ben evil.
This.
My thoughts exactly. What was the point of the “OMG I lost Aaron in a supermarket, just like every other mother in her lifetime, but I’m going to angst about it for another two or three days, and then go back to that shite island because of it. Woe is me!”
Yes! Kate was going to the island purely because she lost Aaron! Not because she had come to the inescapable realization that she couldn’t continue to run from the fact that her lie would continue to haunt her until it inevitably crashed down around her!
I need to ask this question just to get something straight for myself: Do people on this forum understand that Kate is without question as sociopath, pathological liar and a nut? Because nothing she says or does make sense otherwise. Not that anything on Lost ever makes sense, of course. That’s a given. But it is more than apparent that Kate is clearly a psychopath and is in desperate need of a year long electroshock therary session, perhaps even a prefrontal lobotomy.
Hey…first time to the site. I got into lost a few years ago, starting with the first two seasons on DVD and starting with Season 3 live. I’m sticking with it until the end, but at some point a few weeks ago I googled “Lost sucks” just to see if I could find a blogger who’s on the same page that I am.
Does anyone else find it obnoxious that the writers’ try to shrug off the glaring flaws with the show my making fun of themselves via character dialogue? Was I supposed to think it’s clever that Hurley was asking all his skeptical time-travel questions in this episode?
It looks like next week there’s the obligatory ancient temple scene with torches. Ben’s character has really started to grate on me. I don’t even care what his motivations are anymore.
I’m sure this was pointed out in a previous thread, but the Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham episode was one of the worst:
Locke: Why should I believe you?
Whitmore: Because you should!
Locke: OK.
Locke: Why should I believe you?
Ben: Because you should!
Locke: Ok.
Locke: Sayid, come back to the island.
Sayid: No, I’m going to build houses.
Locke: OK. (goes and kills himself)
What happened to the guy who used to say, “Don’t tell me what I can’t do!” When did he turn into such a pushover?
I agree about the annoying time travel discussion that hurley was having. It made no sense and itself contradicted things that have happened on the show.
What? The conversation was meant to prove the occurrences in the show. To explain it to the viewing populous that still wasn’t getting the time travel in the show. That was one of the purposes of the entire “LaFleur/Intro to Dharma” arc. In retrospect, its brilliant that they were able to have our characters actively shape the past of another character that is incredibly important, all while being able to get them into a setting that is most convenient for the plot.
First, I’d like to applaud you for coming to the right place. I was in your same shoes about five weeks ago when I finally started to smell the bullshit the writers of Lost were putting out there. I myself googled “Lost sucks” and landed here where my initial concerns only found confirmation. I have to say that you will never be able to go back and watch it the same way again. On top of the annoying shit you notice you’re gonna have about ten more people coming up with other extremely valid points that you may have overlooked.
With that said, you’re right. Nobody ever asks a reasonable follow up and question and in the rare occasion that they do they simply settle for the answer, “it’s not important.” It’s asinine. The only character I even still give the slightest shit about is Desmond, brother. He’s back in London making sweet love to Penny on their houseboat. Every other character either sucked to begin with or has become so gay that you don’t even know who to root for anymore.
I think I’m even gonna retire from coming to this website myself, seeing as how I have refused to watch Lost the past two weeks and don’t anticipate ever giving it my time again. It’s been fun. Keep on hating everyone.
Oh, I’ll keep coming back…I only watch an hour of TV a week these days and if that hour is a has-been show that’s a bit ridiculous, I can live with that. The worst Phillip K Dick stories start off great and then drift off course…but they’re still Dick. I feel the same way about Lost.
I still can’t bring myself to stop watching – I’ve invested so much time – but you’re right. This season has been pretty inconsistent. I feel like the non-answers were excusable pre-season 5 since literally no one had any idea what was going on. However, after watching last night’s show, there was NO reason Kate should have kept quiet about Aaron! She just gave him back to his proper family. Also, what was the point of the last 3 episodes if it changes absolutely nothing and we already know the outcome of these events?
They could have condensed the past 3 episodes into 1 and conveyed the same thing!
Okay, done venting. Not gonna lie, I’m still going to watch this show until it ends, but the writers need to stop wasting our time.
Locke is a pussy off island
i think thats obvious, o wait you’re retarded, you didnt know
1. Why do all Lost-defenders constantly start to use verbal insults in a conversation?
2. Maybe he is, but why showing it to us a whole episode long instead of advancing story?
3. Never such “a pussy” (“Don’t tell me what I can’t do!” to the walk-about-tour-guy)
4. Maybe he would have had more success convincing people to return and completing is fate given mission, if he had been able to actually tell them WHY?
“I want you to go back for good reason, which is… hm… Oh! I forgot to ask.” So “he’s a pussy” is not an explanation, it’s a just a further symptom for the bad writing!
Pussy only OFF THE ISLAND?
what are you a retard? oh yes you are,
He didn’t have the balls to kill his own father, and had to call Sawyer.
Ben shot him and then he did Ben’s bidding ON THE ISLAND,
he let Ben move the island when he was meant to do it.
He cried like a little bitch when the iron door fell on him in the hatch… and more and more and more.
So just stop embarrassing yourself. o.k.?
LOSTnLOST’s post is of course pointless as an excuse for Lockes badly written character, but i also have to declare that “not being keen on killing your father” and “not being silent suffering unbearable pain when your leg gets punctured by a 3-inch-in-diameter-blast-door-sealing-knob” doesn’t compulsorily qualifies you for the status “being a pussy”!
I think Locke is a great big pussy check it out in the hatch right after desmond books jack takes off after him kate is going to get sayid locke in hatch alone throwing a hissy fit like a little bitch saying “i’m a fanboy what do i do waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!” and what the hell was up with this dude stalking his old man in front of his house wow i’m thinking jail for this friggin wierdo!!!!!!!! and this twit undecisive as a freaky fanboy gets is going to be leader of the others jesus holy christ who writes this crap anyways and the funny part is people are going ape shit over it. I say its crap pure crap!!!!!!!!! (say that as if you were Desmond).
English MotherFucker, do you speak it??
why would Juliet know that the others could save Ben but has not revealed one iota of information about them to the losties on camera?
because it doesn’t matter
, what brings me to the most mattering question: WHAT THE HELL DOES MATTER? WHAT??! What are they going to do? What is their goal, now they are back? Joining the retarded HillBilly-life of Sawyer’s and Botox’ time-travel-club in the face of the most sensational secrets on this planet surrounding them? And what were Sawyer and Botox planning for their future not knowing if the other two corners of the quadrangle would ever return? Working for DHARMA till retirement? Now they did return all their lifes have meaning at last. They can form changing pairs and stare at each other). It’s all so far beyond insanity!
The Sawyer/Juliette happy family thing really bothers me, they KNOW that in a few years Ben kills them all. So even if they are going to stay and play barbie house the least you can do is kill the fucking idiot who will in fact be killing you later.
4 episodes in row. 4 fillers. The same old lost!
Fillerepisodes are common nowadays.
But a whole fillerseason, that’s something new. LOST is really ingenius! It discovers new horizons!
Looking back, season 2 was a filler season(though I liked it).
The whole season was about pushing a button, and we are in season 5 and we still don’t know what the button really “did”.
Season 4 was again a filler season. We knew that they would get off the island , and we saw it how it happned. But at the end of the season we were at the same point where s3 ended.
S5 is something new I agree.It is not even filler, it is meaningless, abusrd and nonsense.
You’re right!
The fate of season 2 (if turning out to be actually filler or sustaining and exploring LOST’s potential) was – in retrospect – decided, when they didn’t stick to Jack’s idea of froming an army, when LOST thereby decided not to aim for the peak anymore, but to stroll along the side of the mountain and – with leaving the island – to finally descend into the valley. With season 5 they are even digging underneath for a cave system. Lost was about renewing your life confronted with the unexpexted opportunity to explore the twists of pure humanity and to discover incredible mysteries adventurously giving meaning to your existence… and now we landed shopping in a family friendly supermarket, how inspiring! The caves are deep!
the scene in which kate mysteriously turns up at jack’s and says, “never ask me what happened” and jack says “ok.” i know there are a lot of non-answers on this show, but this was the absolute epitome.
especially with the anticlimactic revelation of what happened that aired tonight. there was no reason for it to remain a secret. at all. if i had had a boner when i watched that scene, it would have become flaccid in 2 seconds. the only reason they canned it as a secret earlier in the season was to create “suspense,” which becomes “frustration” when it is delayed half a season.
I wanted to rip my tv off the wall and smash it off the ground when she told Jack to never ask her that again. They guy stood up in front of a jury to defend you, you guys have apparently been living together, and he has helped raise Aaron for the past three years. However, Aaron is gone and he accepts that she won’t tell him with absolutely no fight.
She could have thrown him in a dumpster for all Jack knew. Absolutely absurd. The only reason it happened because carrying around someone else’s baby was getting played out. I mean how is Kate supposed to get stuffed by Sawyer on the beach with a baby crying in the background.
The reason mother’s die on the island while giving birth is to prevent them from giving their babies away to some random ass stranger.
Yes, something like “I insist to know where MY NEPHEW is!” would have been nice
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Haha it should have never even gotten that far.
Real life conversation:
Jack: “Where’s Aaron?”
Kate: “I sent him to live with Claire’s mother. I know she can provide for him better than I can.”
Jack: “Ok, that makes sense.”
Lost conversation:
Jack: “Where’s Aaron?”
Kate: “Promise me that you will never ask me that again. Promise!”
Jack: “Ok.”
To add on to that, a whole episode on what kate did with Aaron :-p.
WOW I mean god was this a work of art or what boy golly geez oh wow what I mean is good god I can’t get over this episode the creativity that went into that wow new low is just mildly putting it I think that I could sit on the shitter and fart a more entertaining episode than that in fact i’m sure of it. ok here we go fade from black close up of an eye but not your regular eye their is something strange about this one pan back oh boy there it is it is an eye all right my brown eye sitting on the shitter next we hear oh no RIPP RRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPP RRRRIIIIPPP RRRIIP RIPPP AND THEN RRRRRRRIIIIIPPPPP RRRRRRIIIIPPPP RIP RRIIPP OH MY GOD PLEASE HELP US fade to black dumb noises LOST upsidedown and backwards….. and i think mine was way more entertaining an a clpff hanger ta boot…. up on stage AHEM umm I’d like to thank the acadamy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comparing Lost writing to taking a 2. How fitting. Poop humor is funny!
Previously on Lost
Ben-”lite” displays the extreme power of the island when he only loses about 2 oz of blood after a direct gunshot wound to the chest.
Kate befriends Ben’s dad in what may or not become another love interest.
Tipping their hat to the Lifetime movie of the week, Kate has a few sit downs with the third woman in the Sawyer-Kate-Juliet-Cassidy Love Parallelagram.
Hurley and the porcupine mutant from X-Men 3 address fanboy theories in an off the cuff Back to the Future discussion.
Porcupine asks Hurley to shoot him as a contorted means of proving that he can die. His vast understanding of time travel is speculated to be the result of his Lost-mutant ability to talk to dead people.
Michael has somehow come back to life in the form of a cop on a new show, The Unusuals which will probably come on before or after Lost and meet the same fate of every show unfortunate enough to do so: The Days, Invasion, Life on Mars, Eli Stone etc
Despite numerous scenes where extras litter the “streets” of the Dharma camp in previous episodes, no one is outside to notice Juliet and Kate shoving little Ben into the VW.
Little Ben is miraculously one of the few gunshot victims who does not have to be kept in a stable position at all times to avoid shrapnel causing further damage. Ever resilient, he is able to be carried by hand, placed in the back of a van and driven over uneven land and then carried through the jungle.
Depite raising a baby for three years and apparently only making one mistake worth discussing/ showing on camera, Kate feels as though having a semi Amber Alert moment (one which every parent probably has at least once) makes her a horrible parent and gives Aaron back to his grandmother who I don’t recall being a great parent to Claire in the first place.
As a middle finger to continuity buffs (and hurley) Richard explains that he can heal Ben but “he won’t be the same anymore. He won’t remember that any of this happened. He’ll be one of us.”
Richard then goes into the temple of doom to heal Ben who will forget this whole mess happened and thus not recognize anyone when they show up 30 years later.
Locke and Ben exchange Zoolander stares almost as if Ben was surprised that people can come back to life on an island with a smoke monster, time travel capabilities and magic cabins.
“Little Ben is miraculously one of the few gunshot victims who does not have to be kept in a stable position at all times to avoid shrapnel causing further damage. Ever resilient, he is able to be carried by hand, placed in the back of a van and driven over uneven land and then carried through the jungle.”
With stuff like this i’m always willing to suspend disbelief, and you can even say Ben-lite not dying has the island keeping him alive, etc etc. But, with everything else, LOL OMG of course. Can’t wait to watch this newest bit of ridiculousness.
It’s nothing but pathetic! The whole Doc-Brown-discussion was meant only to tell everybody out there “Hey of course we know exactly what we are doing here. Of course! I mean… We are THE WRITERS! We know about all the unbearable inconsistencies and the sheer bullshit we’ve produced and keep on producing. By writing this discussion we want to proof that we don’t consider you to be completely brainless swallowing everything we puke out in front of you (but still to be brainless enough to believe us that just because we are able to address a few of our flaws we also have at least the slightest idea how to get them to make sense in a logically acceptable way, you idiots, hahahaha!). We really care for the (obviously low) needs of our viewers. We are doing it all for you, you see? We love you (fingers crossed behind back)!
Over the years we witnessed “Sin City” turning into “Disney’s Gummi Bears”. (”Shut up you retarded fuck gummi bears #1 they are great cause they will explain how the vehicles in their speedtunnels get back to the startplatform uphill without onboard-propulsion, youll C moron”)
OMG as the fanboys say. I have to admit that this episode wasn’t as bad as the last it still sucked donkey balls.
This show is a joke for sure.THE GREATEST ANSWER EVER: Kate lost Aron in a supermarket so he gives him to Calire’s mother. This is joke .
At last the lostires were talking to each other. Unfortunately, it was laughable when Miles was talking about time-travel.So that is why the characters don’t interact because it sound painfully ridiculous.
And another great mytery solved: the temple. Another magical place on the island where people are resurected.Smokey also lives there by the way.
The only thing I liked was Jack. He was fucking right. Why would he save that little mutherfucker?
As a joke, this episode was brilliant.
9/10 on the suck-o
damn you’re a huge faggot
“I hope they cancel the show even though they never will :’( :’( :’( :’(”
Remember when the reason the Oceanic 6 had to go back to the island was because it was the only way to saves the lives of those who were left behind and were unstuck in time? None of characters do.
Yes. The o6 went back for no reason. Sawyer and co. didn’t need them, and most of the 06 don’t know why they even came back. ‘We were suppoded to’ of course.Good job Darlton.
How cheap is that Ben will forget everything bacuse he goes into the magic temple?
Well think about it, the island WANTS them to go back, they were never SUPPOSED to leave. They obviously have a greater purpose.
Like Jack said this episode “i dont know why im supposed to come back YET”
Were obviously going to find out within this season and next what there WHOLE REASON for being on the island is for. The island has an agenda, has a goal, and its using the losties to achieve it at no end.
The finale of this season is called “The Incident” were obviously going to find out about the incident which caused the button pushing in the hatch. Maybe the losties caused it idk.
But if they hadn’t left then how could they have gone back to 1970s? The writers are writing themselves into a corner, err on second thought etire LOST is in a corner somewhere..
well how am i supposed to answer that.
I have no idea what the writers have going on. Its a mystery and LOST is a mystery show
Yeah, but not being able to answer that, still having absolutely no idea what the writers have going on in the middle of the fifth of six seasons, you could atleast be honest enough to admit, that there is quite a good chance they have nothing solid and elaborate going on, although of course you have the right to hope that they do otherwise!
The “Fuck-it-all” about this is, that none of those characters is trying to find out what this porpose is, what the island wants them to go back for, why they were never supposed to leave (I know: Silly questions!). They are idiots, and hopefully no one can identify with idiots. But a show, that doesn’t have characters to identify with (not because they are diffrent from you, that’s OK, but different from any human being due to most insane behavior), is you could say “by definition” badly written. Point!
These characters are frustratingly stupid as if their memories last 5 seconds like that of a goldfish. It’s nice to see a new poster here who’s actually intelligent. Or are you an oldie posting under new names like me?
Thanks! Regular silent visitor for over a year now. Having completed my own “analysis” supported by this side I finally found myself ready for “open waters”
They’ve been in dharmaville a day, give it a chance
OK, you’re right. Let it even be one and a half days. But if I wrong the characters, it’s only because the writers take three (!) episodes to show us in an overemphasized way the amount of uniteresting, boring, pointless, unnecessary stuff that happend in only one day. So again: Bad writing!
“Were obviously going to find out within this season and next what there WHOLE REASON for being on the island is for. ”
Is that wishful thinking or some new use of the word ‘obviously’?
It will be nice if you’re correct but, based on the first 4 1/2 seasons, I’m not counting on it.
Heh, that was so stupid, I think I went down a few IQ levels just reading it.
lostnlost dude wtf is your trip dude you are all over the place man. You doing some bad shrooms or what. You need to stay in one place dude, figure the fuck out if you are a freak so people will keep their kids away from you or what man. You go calling people faggotts for them posting there opions dude but you don’t even know where the fuck you stand dude one post your a freaky fanboy the next your putting down the show dude dude dude your posts don’t mean shit if nobody knows where you stand dude and so everybody thinks that you are a stupid 12 year old faggyass fanboy and just bypass everything you write dude. Please dude please make them be wrong or move your ass over to them freaky faggott fanboy sites wher they will probably love you.
I put the “dude” count at nine.
Yes, what about the lives of ALL those left behind? Where is Rose and Bernard with the rest of their gospel dentistry-congress beach party? 30 people all vanished or dead & buried in ten minutes barehanded? And given that: Even if Sawyer/Botox and co. don’t cry about this loss anymore after 3 years, some kind of tear-shedding reaction atleast by “I have to save them all”-Jack would be appropriate, but hey… he didn’t ask about the people forming the core-purpose of his returning-mission (bad-writing-alert). But maybe the crying occured along with all the asking, discussing and talking between the Losties we demand off camera, as well as the whole multimillion LOST-Spinoff, that focusses on botox secretly teaching the monster in latin to write hieroglyphs in temple-school (The off-status saves camera money but is not so good for the ratings, I guess). Ridiculous!
Rose and Bernard were doomed from the start. Apparently, you either have to be extremely good looking or morbidly obese to survive on the island.
That means shannon and boone are still alive! Can’t wait to watch them fuck some more.
Last nights episode was pretty damn good. That time travel bit with Hurley had me on the edge of my seat. I have been paying enough attention that I’m pretty sure I’m on the level the writers need me to be at. I am very excited and I love this show. Keep on hating haters.
Here is our problem: By contrast to you, we are not that easily driven to edge by something like that anymore, cause we didn’t need to to pay attention to something pretty much we all had already considered many weeks ago, which is why we had been on the level the writers need us to be for weeks now and are sick of their annoying, absurdly lame pace.
But do you know, why they need us on this level? Because once you’re above, you see all the gentlemanly expressed cold piss they pour on us! Start comprehending our posts! Enlightening, although not in latin
And instead of continuing here: What about you finally answering my question to your last weeks post? You’ve got an opportunity there.
I wonder… is there a spy in the Ministry of Defense? Is there one amongst us that is in cahoots with the writers of the show? I feel an ominous presence about this place…
yes yes i agree you are at the level the writers want you to be at and that is freaky faggot fanboy level keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This week on Days of Our Lost Lives:
1. Kate still hasn’t washed that dreamy Sawyer outta her hair, so, instead of talking relationships with Botox, she tracks down some chick who popped up for 2 minutes 4 seasons ago in order to share feelings ‘n’ stuff. Male viewers pile sandbags in front of their TVs in order to keep the rising tide of estrogen from flooding the carpet.
2. Time travel was discussed by Hurley and Chinese Dude. Dialogue was a verbatim transcript of a last-minute writer’s meeting where Darlton asked: “How can we possibly reconcile this mess?”
3. Botox played Career Day by hanging up her pretend mechanic’s coveralls, slipping into her pretend lab coat, and diagnosing Ben as having some sort of internal bleed—probably from the giant gaping bullet wound in his chest. Her treatment protocol? Oxygen, and lots of it.
4. Jack stepped out of character and refused to play God, so Kate took Ben (who, despite the oxygen, is at death’s door) for a nice ride in the country. And even though the VW bus is famous for having a suspension system that is barely one step above that of an ox-cart, the patient doesn’t code. Batmanuel then took Ben into the Batmanuel Cave (after lots of gun-cocking) for an emergency evil transplant.
5. Locke refused to stay dead, surprising no one.
Booooom.
LOST
DAMB that actually made sence to me for somehow and loved your name eyeliner dude!!!!!!!
The anticlimatic melodrama of guns and goofiness goes on.
Some half hearted gun cocking.
See Kate cry. The script was that bad?
VW microbus sure making jungle treks more efficient.
Will there be a high speed VW chase with gunplay?
Locke’s turn at a’popp’n instead of Jin.
Answers to two (unwanted, never needed, blah blah blah) mysteries revealed. I can almost see the posts on the Lost boards jumping through the roof
“OMG did you know what Sawyer whispered in Kate’s ear?”
“OMG they showed where Kate left Aaaron! How brilliant was that!”
I never really looked forward to last night’s episode all that much. I knew it was Kate-centric. But the episode fell lower than my already-low expectations. It was like repeat one useless scene+show another useless scene+repeat another useless scene+show yet another useless scene. Plus cushion these with Hurley and Miles “supposedly brilliant” conversations (who made Miles the Time travel expert anyway? Maybe Faraday is dead and Miles can “hear” his explanations :-p).
One thing that was good is that I’m starting to like Jack again. His reply to Kate was like a slap on her face
. But I’m sure some people will already be saying -
“OMG Jack screwed up again! If he had saved Ben, then Ben wouldn’t be the bad guy we know”.
Heck, there I said it!
I always thought this was a great description of Kate:
“Kate’s biggest problem is that she just can’t follow instructions. Ignoring simple pleas like “Kate! Don’t touch that!” or “Kate! Don’t follow us!” have wound up causing a whole mess of problems, from getting her and Jack “caught in a net” once, to losing the Losties quite a few weapons to The Others back in Season 2, to, most recently, assuring a frantic wife, “Sun, you get the baby on the helicopter. I’ll get Jin.” — moments later, Jin (ostensibly) blew up, and Kate was safe and sound in the air. Oh, and back on the mainland she got her cancer-curing, upstanding-citizen-minding-his-own-business of a childhood sweetheart shot to death when she stole his car with him in it to escape the fuzz. Short and simple, Kate ruins everything. She is an everything-ruiner. The only thing she does well is fuel the feud between Jack and Sawyer, and that soap opera got old before it even started.”
You post is like the summary of “all” Kate-centric episodes put together
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Yesterdays’ estrogen filled scenes almost made me puke –
“Why did you jump off?”
“I couldn’t be a father, lover etc because I’m an idiot”
“But you are with Juliet now”
“I’m all grown-up”
Kate’s thoughts “I wish you had grown up for me” sigh sigh..
Heck, I’m a woman and appreciate a well-told romance. But this is like some nightmare..
I just pooted on Sawyer’s pillow.
I can’t believe nobody has mentioned the return of Jack’s tattoo. That was a big mystery, remember? Darlton told us that we should care about it, then they had a whole episode explaining it, then it vanished. But now it’s back!
Could Rose & Bernard be next?
And of course a janitor has the keys to the high security prison cell. “A clean cell makes your prisoner happy”, hmm?
Didn’t Sawyer say that three janitors have sets of keys? Or was it Shawshank guy? Either way, it makes Dharma security look like even more of a joke.
My god! Not only one but THREE HAVE KEYS!!?!
This was brought up last week if memory serves, but now that Locke has returned I think that this season’s finale (more specifically, the “Boom…LOST” cliffhanger shot) has GOT to be the face of the four-toed statue. What could possibly top that? What could possibly generate more buzz/discussion during the off-season? Especially if the face is Jack. Or Hurley. Or Chinese dude. Or anybody except Ben. (Ben is such an obvious choice, I’m sure that’s how the writers will screw it up.)
On the other hand, since this is Lost, the cliffhanger could just be two warring camps cocking guns and pointing them at each other…
I think the odd-numbered seasons have to end with a crowd of people running away from somewhere because “they’re coming”.
But only every second of them involves “black smoke”
maybe the face is old fannyboy faerygay who with his brilliance when he was down in the orchid did some thing cleaver and this is the incedant they are talking about and made every thing all better and thats it no season six pack it all up its time to go home and it didn’t matter that he din’t tell charlotte cuz what happened happened. oh well it was worth a try anyways……
So wait, is it like the Goa’uld in Stargate? Where they enter your body and make you evil, but you become young and virtually immortal? Is that what the smoke (nanotechnology?) does to them?
At least Stargate told you from the start that that’s what’s happening, and then went on to actually having the characters DO SOMETHING; imagine that the entire Stargate show was about who are the Goa’uld and how come they are young and indestructible. and after six seasons when they finally reveal it’s some kind of an alien parasite – the show was over; Wouldn’t it be much more interesting than the original Stargate? (Apparently JJ and Lindelof think so)
How is Claire’s mum going to explain to people that she’s now raising Kate Austin’s baby, and calling him her grandson? How’s she going to get him on a flight to Australia?
The writers don’t have time to think such “trivial” things, they have so much time travel stuff to think about. Passing a baby like a parcel, as if the baby doesn’t have any feelings whatsoever..
Claire’s mom is going to have Angelina Jolie and Madonna fight over the adoption rights of young Aaron. He’s not African so his stock isn’t as high as previously adopted kids by the two but he is nonetheless an orphan.
Essentially becoming an “other” in relations to the real kid’s. I smell a mutiny when he grows up.
Boom. AARON.
My pants is caked with butt shit
WOW you people have no lives…
do you really have nothing better to do with your time than watch a show that you hate every week, then go online, posting blogs about why it sucks ?
if you don’t like the show, fine by me, but just don’t watch it.
i hate smallville, but you don’t see me watching it every week.
you must have no job and no friends if you are so bored with your life that you have to watch something you can’t stand.
instead of watching “crap” shows, do us all a favour and write a better show. which i’m sure you can do, considering you are soooo superior to the lost writers.
get over yourself.
Do you have nothing better to do than go onto a website where people blog about how much they hate a show and then hand out life lessons on why they shouldn’t? If you don’t like the website, fine by me, but just don’t visit it. You hate this website, yet we see you visiting it every week. You must have no job and no friends if you are so bored with your life that you come to a website that you can’t stand. instead of coming to this “crap” website, do us all a favor and leave.
Do you have any idea how stupid and contradictory your statements are? Either you’re the same guy using different names with the same complaint every week or there really are this many hypocrites talking shit.
Go visit whysmallvillesucksdotcom pussy.
wow thats me tho no life no job the only reason I watch the show is to come here and say how much it sucks but wow i coulda sworn (no education either) that that was the name of this site or am i mistaken and went to, I love lost faggot fanby site oops sorry but i gotta go find the right site maybe if i turn this here frozen donkey wheel just a little bit boooooom really lost now…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
Actually I don’t hate the show. I just think the show sucks balls. I watch it because it sucks so bad it’s funny. I come here to make fun of it for the same reason.
As for writing something better, I’m sorry but that’s the dumbest argument ever. If a architect design a building that collapses and kills 1000 people does he not suck as an architect because I can’t design one better?
Well, maybe we could realy start brain-storming a little about basic shape-giving plotlines for an utopian non-sucking LOST?
It’s not about writing a better show, it’s all about not ruining a great one!
And by the way, – to shorten it almost irresponsibly – LOST’s metamorphosis into shit can be seen as an example for everything not right in our superficially media-driven society and therefor, as I’m – shame on me – not digging fresh water wells in Africa, I atleast can’t leave this obviously commonly accepted humilation of mankind’s intelligence without comment, without trying to unmask it
…Oh, and even if we are pathetic loosers: be declaring that you still haven’t in any way answered constructivley to a single one of our complaints concerning validity!
Coming soon to ABC… the Lost spinoff… “AARON”
Preview:
Claire’s mother feels that she is too old to raise another child and decides to give Aaron up for adoption. After a heated bidding war between the Madonna and Jolie camps, Angelina prevails. Everything was going good until…
Her actual children Knox, Vivienne, and Shiloh become increasingly frustrated with the adopted children that seem to be getting all the attention Thus, creating an “others” situation…
Her first three adopted kids: Maddox, Zahara, and Pax are getting sick and tired of all the traveling to other third world countries they must do as their “parents” try to better the globe. Maddox says, “I went from shitting in buckets in Cambodia to shitting in buckets all over the world. I thought by going with the Jolie’s I’d be living the high life. Pool parties, X-Box, running water, girls, fast cars – you name it – so far this has been a disappointment.” Zahara and Pax echoed these sentiments with a joint statement saying, “We didn’t sign up for this.”
How long will they be able to put up with this as tensions mount between them and the real kids escalates…
Last, the arrival of Aaron has put everyone on edge. He has no allies in the house. The real kids feel threatened by him being a good looking white kid. Saying, “We always had the trump card when it came the adopted kids because no matter what they did they were never gonna look like they belonged. But now comes along this blond haired blue eyed wonder. We’re not taking this matter lightly.” The ethnic adopted kids are equally as frustrated. Stating, “despite the years we’ve put in sucking up to the Pitts, we’re being knocked down on the pecking order. It just doesn’t seem right. The playing field isn’t equal.” As Aaron struggles to find himself and see where he comes from he will be forced to make a choice. Either side with the natives or join the “others” in what will be the battle of the summer. For all these answers and more tune in to the can’t miss show of the year. Critics are hailing it as the best new drama. Don’t miss the first game changing episode.
Boom. AARON
Can Botox still teach hieroglyphs in latin? Please!
AND THE ACADAMY AWARD FOR BEST NEW SERIES GOES TO…………………………AARON………APPLAUSE BY THE BUTT LOADS
(its ok riley go get your award you earned it, go now).
I actually enjoyed this episode. I’ve been hating on this entire season so far but watching it as it were any brainless entertaining popcorn flick made me appreciate it more. If you lower your standards and don’t expect great writing and want to be mindlessly entertained, then Lost is one of the shows to do that for you. If you were to ask me if I’d thought that two-three seasons ago, I’d disagree since I was sure the writers knew what they were doing…But now I just look at it as 42 minutes every week of “passing time by filler” material. When I need intellectual film to watch I’ll turn to Charlie Kaufman.
Another impossible thing: Sawyer must have whispered on the helicopter to Kate:” I have a daughter in Albuquerque, her name is Cl. Philips.Her adress is 18 Oxford street. By the way, you met her mother years ago, her name is Cassidy.”
By the way, it seems that she lives in LA, not in Albuquerque, how convenient!
She wasn’t even surprised that Sawyer sent her.
I don’t really understand how Sawyer broke Kate’ heart. Because he didn’t want her to be pregnant? On an island where every mother dies? Kate was always a slut who went back to Dr. Jack. Right?
In addition to Sawyer’s speedtalking, he even didn’t know that both girls had met in the past. So there had to be a “No!… Impossible! It’s…you?! moment” by Kate, unless she spied on daughter’s mother and got over the shock off camera. But then again why not show this on the screen for continuity’s sake!?
Yes, Cassidy’s natural reaction would have been:”OMFG, did meet Sawyer. That motherfucking conman is the father of my daugther. I can”t believe this!. How the fucking hell could you find me??”
Darlton! You should rewatch the previous episodes because you don’t remember them!
Because if things made sense and characters, other than Desmond perhaps, were to act realistically, it wouldn’t be Lost.
Something else: With Sawyer being king of security, and him knowing about the monster-control-room in the secret room in future Ben’s house, I think they could have encountered an opportunity to investigate it within three years, god damn it, I mean they were able to carry out a shot kid and load him secretly onto a minibus in broad daylight without any planning and preparation. For that there’s definitely no excuse!
maybe he just can’f find the secret button that opens the secret room’s door, which is begind a secret room.
Maybe someone did see Ben being loaded into the VW and just didn’t care. These aren’t the brightest people in the world, and none of them ever seem to be doing anything constructive. The only real activity we’ve seen in dharmaville (except for the van fire) was on orientation day when all the noobs arrived. Oh, the bustling! And even with all these people actually doing something mission-critical, they still managed to let 4 strangers into their cult. Good job lads.
Guys, you HAVE TO see this explanation by a fanboy!
“Continuity error? Maybe on 24. But this is LOST, and we’re seeing exactly what the island wants us to see, through Jin’s eyes. But through the eyes of Sayid? For him the bullet went right through the kid’s heart – no need for a coup de grace. And this, my friends, is how the island isn’t so much manipulating the events or happenings we see from week to week. What’s being manipulated are the perceptions and experiences of the characters on LOST, and yes, even the flashbacks. I’ll go further nuts on this at the end of my review, but for anyone still dangling from that last thin thread of the continuity argument? It just snapped.”
I can’t believe this
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” the growing number of continuity errors leads me to believe that they are intentional.”
Thats so funny! Poor besotted creature. If he really believes what he is saying then its actually sad..
actually, LOTS OF fanboys agree with him. You know, it is LOST , the best show evah, no way there are cont. errors!
That logically explains the enduring existence of fanboys!
“The island” wants some viewers to think of LOST as a revelation of brilliance, so it manipulates the perceptions and experiences of the weak-minded watching it for higher ratings. For them the show goes straight around the brain caressing their superficiality – no need for logic. Cause this is LOST, and they are exactly not seeing what the writers hope we’ll overlook, through Darlton’s eyes. And this, my friends, is how it sucks!
The fanboys are cheering! Lost actually recovered some viewers thanks to CBS showing a repeat of Criminal Minds. Unfortunately for Darlton, the rerun still beat Lost in total viewers (9.95 mil v. 9.35 mil). So, to put this into perspective, more people would rather watch a well-written show for a second time than sample a poorly-written suckfest which is incomprehensible even to show insiders.
There’s gotta be a lesson in there somewhere…
Ok, so I am new to this site as well….I decided that LOST sucks in Season Two, when I realized the writers had no clue what they were doing. So I stopped watching. This past year, a bunch of people convinced me to start watching again, so I caught up through DVD, and I have to say (despite the occasional bad episode) I really was enjoying where they were going with the show.
So why am I here? Well, after last week’s episode, I am reassured that the writer’s don’t know what they are doing. They fooled me with hints along the way (that you can only pick up watching all these shows back to back) but I think the conversation between Hurley and Miles is really telling…When Hurley asks Miles why Ben wouldn’t remember Sayid shooting him, Miles says “Hmm, I hadn’t thought of that.” And Miles in this conversation is a clear stand-in for the writers. They HADN’T thought of that. So they had to make something up, like a magic room heals him and he loses his memory…and his soul! WHAT?!
You can’t shoot a kid point blank in the chest and have them be alive. It’s cheap.
And you can’t say “Don’t ever ask me what happened to Aaron again” When the answer is “He’s with grandma.”
And you don’t jump out of a helicopter over fear of commitment.
And you don’t take on a child just because you are broken-hearted, especially when you have a back-up plan (i.e., hot doctor who loves you) anyway.
And you don’t give that child up because you lost him in a grocery store.
And you don’t confide in a con-woman you met for two minutes about the biggest lie you’ve ever told.
Anyway. Thanks for listening, because none of my Lostie friends would.
That’s what we are here for.
Kristin, we’ve all been there with you at one time.
Welcome home Kristin.
Relax guys. I know this website doesn’t get many girls but you don’t gotta cream your pants at the possibility. Kristin on the internet could easily be Chris in the real world.
And yet…
Ben losing his memory hasn’t been terribly alluded to as of yet. But, we need to keep in mind what occurred with Kid Rousseau’s boyfriend, after he took a trip through the Temple. He came out changed. The Temple will change him similarly, I imagine. That’s not to say I was a fan of what the Temple did to him; it was one of my bigger problems with the episode. But, we still have gotten very little info on what the Temple does to people, and, until we do, I won’t call foul.
“You can’t shoot a kid point blank in the chest and have them be alive. It’s cheap.” – best answer is that the island did it, which is a silly resolution. But it’s TV, have a suspension of disbelief, etc
“And you can’t say “Don’t ever ask me what happened to Aaron again” When the answer is “He’s with grandma.”” – Kate and Aaron bonded as close as a biological mother and son could over the 3 years prior. Kate was forced to abandon him, for both something she was entirely unsure of, and the long-overdue realization that she couldn’t continue this charade. Aaron gave her off-island life meaning, but he belonged with Carole, as she needed a connection with her daughter.
“And you don’t jump out of a helicopter over fear of commitment.” – Sawyer had drastically matured over the few months he’d spent on the island. To be forced to face the fall-out of everything he’d let go about as a con man would be too much, and, as he, a flawed character, needn’t be forced to deal with it, the commitment point that Cassidy brought up is reasonably justified.
“And you don’t take on a child just because you are broken-hearted, especially when you have a back-up plan (i.e., hot doctor who loves you) anyway.” – see below
“And you don’t give that child up because you lost him in a grocery store.” – I said this somewhere else, but ‘Yes! Kate was going to the island purely because she lost Aaron! Not because she had come to the inescapable realization that she couldn’t continue to run from the fact that her lie would continue to haunt her until it inevitably crashed down around her!’
“And you don’t confide in a con-woman you met for two minutes about the biggest lie you’ve ever told.” – this was a bit silly, admittedly, but a possible, and fine, retcon for me is that they bonded previously, and their mutual friendship with Sawyer allowed them to connect further.
Sorry bro but if you’re gonna buy into all the shows bullshit then Aaron would have had to come with Kate. Remember, “we need to bring everyone back” – except of course, if there not popular enough to warrant paying them through the remainder of the series then they’re conveniently written off the show and you only have to bring back a handful of them.
Kate thought she was more equipped to raise a child than a loving grandmother that has already raised kids? She was doing Aaron a favor? Give me a fucking break. Kate by reasonable inference is unemployed and has been for some time now. On top of that she got a perfectly honest man killed because he was kind enough to help her. Why doesn’t she go and help raise those fatherless kids? I’m sure they’re not completely traumatized for the rest of their lives. Instead, Kate dumps Aaron. “Hey, I’ve been secretly raising your grandson for the past three years. However, it’s not as fun as I thought it was gonna be so I think I’ll just drop him off here. Hope you weren’t planning on doing anything for the next 15 years.”
If you want to buy all the shit the writers are selling that’s fine. However, you can’t pick and choose facts when its convenient to prove your points. Either there are a shit load of writing errors or these guys have some master plan thats gonna tie everything together. But you can’t play it both ways.
For one, you’re speaking as though Kate is a popular character. Even among the casual fans, the middle-aged housewives, everyone is tired of her quadrangle bullshit. The same could be said for Hurley, but some people allegedly find him funny.
Kate needed Aaron purely because she had something of a connection to him. She helped deliver him, she was one of Claire’s GURLZ, etc. Why shouldn’t she have taken him under her wing? It’s reasonably flawed logic, but given prior actions of the character, it works contextually.
She didn’t bring him back to the island because that place is, effectively, death. If you can recall, back in season 1, Michael’s continual info dumps about how the island was effecting Walt’s development, then you should have little issue with her not bringing Aaron back. He is only 3 etc.
AGAIN, you can’t have it both ways. If the island is effectively death then Kate shouldn’t have went back either. To say that she needed Aaron because she had a connection is completely absurd. So what, three years later she realized that she didn’t have a connection with him? She knew Claire and the fucking baby for about 3 weeks before she got off the island. I’m assuming the connection would get stronger over a three year period not weaker.
You’re other excuse is that she’s not that popular of a character? What the fuck does that mean? It gives her the right to act like a complete moron because fans are becoming sick of her? You’re fucking delusional bro. You remind me of the biblethumper kind. Go find a cult, they jiz their pants at prospects like you.
To be honest, I still don’t see any excuse for the “don’t ask me..again! OK.”-disaster. Even if Kate was that emotionally troubled, that she couldn’t answer the question, cause even thinking about an answer causes her pain etc. – which is meant to be your point, I believe – : Why the hell is Jack satisfied with her non-answer (”…you’re not even related to him, Kate!”)? As far as he knows, her reaction could mean “He’s dead cause I drowned him!” The insult to logic is not so much her non-answer – although clearly beyond usual LOST-crap-standard – , but his non-reaction to it.
lol
I just said she wasn’t popular because your post implied that she was. It had little to do with my post, and I’m sorry that I confused you.
Kate has, as has been established by nearly every Kate-centric episode, a need to run from anything in her life. She never has had the opportunity to take in what she has, or effectively SETTLE DOWN. Aaron gave her life ‘meaning’ and their connection WAS strengthened. That’s why it was so CHALLENGING for her to deal with giving him up.
And, as for the cult, I may do just that!
Hi.
A friend of mine said this:
“if it all turns out to be a dream, it would still be implausible because the dreamer viewing the dream would realise it was all BS
so the most implausible part of losts plot is that people watch it without realising that its bs”
chut up best show ever can’t do nothing about it I’m going to go lick some infested Jamaican’s booty then go beat it real good in the bathroom.
1.You can’t shoot a kid point blank in the chest and have them be alive. It’s cheap.
…..it’s a tv show (not the first time to happen)
2.And you can’t say “Don’t ever ask me what happened to Aaron again” When the answer is “He’s with grandma.”
…..you are right here, however this show is more like a puzzle for us to guess.Lost should have used real situation acting and real conversations, with no secrets among the losties, but the writers went for ”the theory’s type of show”, and this is were they gone wrong, and not the resurrecting, time travel, button, etc.In other words Kate should have told Jack where Aaron is.
3.And you don’t jump out of a helicopter over fear of commitment.
…..yes, that was stupid!, but also was her opinion that Sawyer did jump out of the helicopter over fear of commitment.
4.And you don’t take on a child just because you are broken-hearted, especially when you have a back-up plan (i.e., hot doctor who loves you) anyway.
…..YES
5.And you don’t give that child up because you lost him in a grocery store.
….. in that scene the child went with the blond lady (aka Claire), and Kate realized that she will never be Aaron’s real mother or something like this
6.And you don’t confide in a con-woman you met for two minutes about the biggest lie you’ve ever told.
….. the two ladies were good friends from past episodes
7.Something else: With Sawyer being king of security, and him knowing about the monster-control-room in the secret room in future Ben’s house, I think they could have encountered an opportunity to investigate it within three years
….. Sawyer doesn’t know what ben did in that room, he doesn’t know that ben summoned the monster, or the room is not constructed yet, or maybe you’re right!
THE SHOW SHOULD HAVE WENT WITH REALISTIC CONVERSATIONS, EVEN IF IT MEANT TO GIVE US MORE ANSWERS ON THE WAY, this is where I think the show sucks, however I’m still watching because I like the overall story
Although I agree with your comments, realistic conversations are not the only major problem. How about the way people act. It’s honestly worse than watching a really cheesy horror film. At least in those films there is usually only ONE person dumb enough to go outside by themselves when they suspect a killer. Lost, however, is the equivalent of watching a scary movie where EVERY single character decides to walk by themselves aimlessly into the dark woods to explore the creepy noises they are hearing.
I should not be pissed off by the actions of every single person I watch on a show. I’m sick of watching the blind lead the blind. Everyone needs to stop watching completely.
yeah you’re right the way the people act sometimes are dumb, but also in all the movies (with exceptions) are the same, I mean rambo decided to kill an whole army single handed, or die hard, all police movies, horrors like you said, SCfi, etc
Kate,jack and locke are those kind of people …I don’t remember for sawyer,hurley,etc to do that with out no purpose.
IF it had realistic conversations, and some errors corrected, the show would have been very good. I find locke,Ben,Richard,
widmore,Desmond,Daniel,Miles very cool characters… the rest don’t care too much
Haha applying those improvements to any show would make it better. Don’t really see how that excuses this one.
However, we completely agree on Desmond. So hopefully they don’t ruin him, brother.
Yeah, he’s the only one with the right attitude ” What !! you’re going back to the island, are you guys stupid, count me out ” but ben kill’s penny or something like this and he’s on the plane, in the cargo I think, to find Ben for revenge.
Him, Miles, hurley are the ones who act as ”normal”…
with all the fuck ups, i do like the show, cuz of the overall story, some characters and most important it doesn’t bore me as others, I also like, Oz, PB a little and I’ll start with battlestar galactica.IF it does have more then one or two prime characters, to able to watch more then one story, then I’ll probably like the show
I quite completely concur!
“this show is more like a puzzle for us to guess”
That’s a good analogy: It should be a puzzle for us, we collect all the parts that lie around and assemble them, along with the show’s characters, who also try to assemble, even If they don’t have the same amount of parts as we do yet. But infact the characters sit infront of the parts and instead of assembling them they just fold them, suck on them, eat them (in Hurley’s case), throw them around or simply leave cause they got distracted by a colorful butterfly. They all suffer from ADD! And the writers sometimes hide the parts to at least make us believe that they in fact do exist, mix the parts of many other boring puzzles with ours or even change the form of parts we’ve already found so they cannot fit together anymore cause they are afraid that once we succed assembling the finished picture is ugly bullshit and doesn’t nearly match the box-cover.
Oh, and as point seven was mine
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“Sawyer doesn’t know what ben did in that room”: That’s why he should be keen on investigating!
“he doesn’t know that ben summoned the monster”: Ben entering, coming out with Smokey appearing, i think Locke asking “Did you call it?” not getting an answer of course…
“or the room is not constructed yet”: Would be quite a convenient coincidence that the house was built by clueless Dharmas exactly over that ancient room. Looks like deliberate planning before building.
This show has become complete shit. This is by far the worst season, is horrible. I quit watching, I’ll start downloading it, they’re not getting my ratings anymore.
if you’re going to quit watching, quit fucking watching, pussy. don’t download the show and give me this “i’m not helping the ratings” garbage. if you don’t like the show, stop watching.
fucking dipshit.
You stop watching.
Hey Chris, why are you torturing yourself ??
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you’ll increase the ratings on web, I mean lost is the most downloaded show on internet, just stop watching! can you do that? …and the ratings are useless , the show will not get canceled, it will get the final season!
Don’t tell me, the cliffhangers and unanswered questions has got you , and you’re still going to watch it , even if you hate it that much
man the biggest cliff hanger for me is umm gee willekers um proly is umm i wonder yea well is ole faraday not gonna be able to tell charlotte cuz he sure was in a big way over this and i think thats why we aint seen him lately cuz he beena really doin some heavy brainwork figgerin out how he ainna gonna tell her……… oh yea an about that statue im sorry to have to be the spoiler here but i’ma gonna give ir to stright up……………ITS ME………….yep, now i know that this is hard for a lotta you to take but its like this guys get over it EH?
I completely understand everyone’s frustrutions with the show. (In b4 ‘Stop watching the show then, a**hole’) I have been a fan since season 1, and I will continue to watch the show.. like everyone else, I’m too invested in the story at this point. But I’ll still throw in my 2 cents.
While I understand that a show has to evolve or risk going stale, (hence all the random plot twists such as time travel, which I still feel like they are from the bottom of the idea barrel) I also feel that the writers have left behind many of the things that made the show so unique and captivating in the first place. Case in point.. I’ve been watching seasons 1&2 again along with my girlfriend, who hasn’t seen them yet. And I’m able to remember how creepy certain parts of the show were. Jack’s father, odd military-like stations built for odd purposes, the others, black smoke monster, random people dying. We were like, what the f*ck is going on in this island? It was full of mysterious and creepy shit. Where is the creepiness now? There is nothing that gives me the tingles anymore. What is the big mystery now? Seriously? It’s all explainable. An island that magically moves, but is still completely tied in with the real world. Lackluster. The “others” have lost their creep factor. Just a stupid tribe in the woods. What a cock tease we were subjected to.
Also, the first couple of seasons or so, I was drawn to the show because all of the characters seemed so real. Dramatic, definitely, and over the top – Yes. Yet, like a good book, I felt like these were real people reacting to nonnormal circumstances. I was freaked out with them, angry when someone was taken from them, and felt their bonding – and disconnections when living together. But now? Each character on the show is damn-near ridiculous. Their characters are so over the top and unrealistic, I can in no way connect with them anymore. They make absolutely ridiculous decisions. They are all shallow, with no observable depth. Not that they even have time to bring out any depth in the show anymore, with all the spread out characters and constant scene changes. Speaking of which, they don’t have time to delve into characters we’re vested in, like Rose and Edmund, yet we get subjected to about 15 minutes an episode from some filler personalities? (Sawyers old girlfriend, the pilot of the plane, that annoying latino guy on the 2nd plane crash. Who gives a flying shit about these characters? And what do they bring to the story?) Am I crazy?
It’s like they’ve sold out the show to a bunch of teenage fanboys.
I beg you fanatics to take a step back a bit and look at the story objectively. Like a shitty, unfulfilling religion (*cough* Mormonism *cough* Jehovas Witnesses), you defiantely stand up for how ridiculous this story has become. I know, I know. You feel that it is a “deep” show, and just plain over our heads. We will go ahead and let you believe that. I did believe it was deep at one time. There is a reason why so many people are discouraged by the way this story is going. I think it’s quite frankly pompous of the writers “We can write anything!” to take such a grand idea and shovel shit all over it. The purgatory idea would have been so much better.. and could have made alot better good vs. evil battleground plot. This is just retarded. Vent over.
WOW THAT WAS SO COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are so right these writers have gotten so full of their own shit not stinking that they totally have given up on the show and thats too bad because who suffers WE DO be nice if they were to get a humbling experience like plane crashing on crazy island or something so they could end it with class but i guaranty they got their noses so far up each others asses that you can’t see what you are writing when looking out thr others belly button!!!!!!!!!!! THX
You write like you are kinda gay.
yes indeed just like the writer of this sucky show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Something wrong with being gay?
@ the ‘creepy’ factor, yes, I do agree with you on this point. However, though, any story involving characters like the Others needs to be cleared up at one point, lest the fans deem the show to be a drawn-out waste of time. But critics and fans alike do regardless! Had the Others been vampires, these same people would have said things like “Obvious!”, “Intuitive!”, “Predictable!” etc. And when the vast mythology behind everything about the Others is nigh-revealed, these same people say the same things. The Others all being GAI NERD FIRENDS certainly doesn’t sound compelling, initially, but, knowing what I now know, I don’t notice how anybody could find it not incredibly satisfying.
As for the characters, the reason they were so able to be dynamic and “real”, in season 1, had a lot to do with the fact that there was no plot in season 1. The plot was always based on the actions of the less down-to-earth characters, and that’s why plots like ‘trying to open the gun case’ were bullshit. I maintain that season 2 has had the best balance as of yet.
But season 5 has come close. Episodes like LaFleur and 316 have tackled the need for character-based episodes in such a plot-driven season (the show, in its penultimate season, has every reason to be plot-driven), and that’s what’s making the season so great for me.
The seeds of time-travel have been sown since season 3, perhaps even season 2 (although that was more or less time dilation). And the way time travel is going about right now is incredibly satisfying to me, lest the show go to break its own rules and turn into Heroes. We’re seeing Dharma times from the perspectives of the characters we’ve known for years, and I couldn’t be happier each time Radzinsky or Horace, etc come on-screen. Getting stuff like the army knife from early season 2 answered, even though it was such a minor question, is exactly my reasoning for loving it. Hell, getting the cerberus vent from Exodus nearly answered is my reasoning for loving it.
And, lol, I do view the story objectively. I’m a fan, but that doesn’t mean I view everything the show has done as shit. The Locke episode earlier this season was shit, with continuity errors abound and the lack of punch it needed. It was necessary for Locke to die tragically, but that never went about. I criticize the show on many an occasion, but I’m going to defend it when I feel it deserves defense.
I completely understand you. I watched the pilot and some first seasoners again to compare the newest episode with the roots. All the feeling of excitement has vanished, you’re right, like the terrifying atmosphere of panic during the first encounter with Smokey killing the pilot and the running away, the scary tension when they were waiting for Ethan to creepily appear in an ALMOST supernatural way communicating the frightening superiority of the others (which is not existing anymore) in the pouring rain (it also doesn’t rain anymore), you could feel weight in it. It was like a good wine along with a good meal with the mysteries as the ultimate dessert, fine pleasure. Now the writers have canceled the appetizer, the main dish, and are only concentrating on Dessert serving a whole candyshop with multi-colored lollypops to water teenagers’ mouths. But the “Mystery-drops” don’t have to taste, it’s enough if they are nothing but sweet no matter if they make you puke.
Furthermore: In the beginning the actors were actually allowed to have real great natural facial expressions (those are nothing big but it gives the characters much more complexity and depth). I was shockingly surprised when I saw original Kate fleeing from the monster, or Charlie “smiling” to the stewardess on the plane. Today they all have no more than five different masks they put on in changing order (Botox has two). But why do otherwise as the characters are nothing more than hollow and entirely static crusted replica of what used to be their dynamic aura only BASED on the elementary features of their personalities. In fact now they consist of nothing but those elementary features (and sometimes those are changed randomly). The beauty of the cinematography and the aesthetic of the pictures is also gone. The dramatics have decreased from epic to playing tag on a play yard. Suspense is not generated by weight anymore, but superficially by sleight of hand. Like the others it has all lost its dignity and therefor its attraction. The writers’ mantra is the show’s motto “it all doesn’t matter [anymore]“
I think the biggest problem with lost was when Darlton got the contract for another 3 seasons. Then they realized that they could do ANYTHING, it won’t matter, and they became totally lazy.Two shitheads!
Simon, do you really know why the O6 had to come back, or not
Considering that two members of the O5 just made massive changes in a character’s life, I imagine they had to come back because they always came back. They had to come back so as to actively shape their present. Course correction, etc
Of course, because there is a 6th season.
The very poor explanation by Darlton is that the losties have work to do in the 70’s in Dharma, they were just SUPPOSED TO come back. I think you agree that this is a laughable explanation. As we don’t know what happened in 77, they can tell us that this is what always happened, so the losties had no other choice. They could have done anything else, they still had to go back, as Abbadon said ‘your path leads back to the island’.
This is really cheap , right?
This, I don’t find it cheap at all. Keeping the time-line correct is a very good reason, there is no other better reason, for the writers to come with. It’s time travell …deal with it ! …or stop watching
Eloise told them, that the world was in danger, if they wouldn’t somehow go back, and she was right.
As for their own reasons to return I find them pretty ok
Kate: to find Claire, or for Sawyer
Sun : for Jin, of course
Jack: (this I find smart writing) he has become ” a man of faith” like Locke, he returned for he’s dad, he accepts somehow the supernatural, anyways Jack’s an idiot
Hurley: don’t know yet
Sayd: by force and coincidence
What did Jack have off the island? Should you answer this, I will concede that the reasoning on Jack’s case isn’t very good. We’ve seen that whatever sentience the island has will have continued to haunt the O6…
reformulate the question please, I don’t understand it
What did Jack have off the island? He was suspended from his occupation, he was divorced, his only contact was a troublesome grandpa, etc. He had every reason to go back to the island, and it fits given the context of his character
Suicide Sam, you are the biggest idiot of all times. He was suspended from his occupation? Seeing as how he was/is a fucking doctor I’m sure he had plenty of money stored away. Not to mention the big ass sum of money he would have been awarded following his Dad’s death. That’s like saying Iverson should just kill himself when he gets suspended for a few games. No, he should just go out, spend money, and fuck the shit out of girls. Throw in the fact that Jack is played by a former model I don’t think he would have much trouble finding a woman. Third, troublesome grandpa? You’re just going to add an adjective to a character that you don’t know anything about to make him seem insignificant. I don’t know if you’re in politics but if not its a field you need to explore. Suicide Sam Blagojevich.
Jack came to realize, similarly to Kate, that he couldn’t just continue to escape. He’s not the kind of guy who goes out, spends money, and fucks the shit out of girls. Considering how often the people here criticize things for the lack of context surrounding allegedly inexplicable character actions, you should understand that Jack isn’t going to sleep with a 20-yr-old gold-digger or sing “I Will Survive” at a karaoke bar. It’s a facet of his character that he attempts to bring things of the past back to their former glory, trying as hard as he can to fix things. In what universe is his wish to return not understandable?
1. “Eloise told them, that the world was in danger, if they wouldn’t somehow go back, and she was right.”
How can you possibly know that she was right? What is that danger exactly you seem to know about? I have no knowledge of any concrete danger, as none of the characters asked any questions about anything!
2.
), because even going crazy about thinking about “your thinking being determined although you’re thinking about that determination” is determined – sounds like DocBrown’s universe destroying paradox.
They were supposed to go back so that the timeline that leads to ben being evil stays correct?
That means that even before they left the island they were supposed to go back as ben was evil before they left. So why the hell weren’t they supposed to leave the island? Oh of course, because not the coming back to the island itself was supposed to happen but only the travelling to the 70s to “evil-fy” ben was. So if they hadn’t left they would have joined nosebleed-jumps and had straightly landed in the 70s. So why wasting half a season completely (s5) and all the flashbacks(-forwards) of an entire season (s4) to simply show that detour! And furthermore: If ben was always evil-fied by the losties, then their future was even back in the 70s predetermined, so they never had real choice in their lives.
And furthermore: How does the island now that they have to go back to the 70s anyway (independant from the way they do so)? Cause it witnessed kate evil-fying ben, so the island knew quite exact how old kate was at that moment (Come on, it’s THE ISLAND!), and therefor when it ordered lock to move it knowing time travel effects would come along with that, it should have recognized that Kate was three years to young at that moment, so the island should have had the idea that Kate cannot travel to the 70s right now by lockes island moving jump. The only way she can avoid joining the jump and somehow gather three years of age independantly from island-inhabitors is leaving the island. So how can the island cause the feeling they should not have left, if it knows better? Ah of course it’s a mean trick to get them back, yeah! Which means, the island lies. But as an expert it knows that whatever it does is exactly right, cause it knows that Kate will come back to the 70s three years later, so in fact it doesn’t have to care, cause her coming back it witnessed in the 70s is the proof that nothing can ever go wrong concerning her return in the future (what happened happened, which means what happend has to happen), which of course means that there’s no free will (That’s a message Locke will be happy to hear
“Hey maybe Kate was three years younger the first time, so the island didn’t know.” How can that be? It would mean that something went different an omnious earlier time so Kate didn’t leave. That’s impossible, cause It’s a time LOOP!!! (what happened happened, which means what happend has to happen). This could only be possible if you’d apply the multiverse theory, but then there wouldn’t be such a thing like “supposed” and “whatever happened happened”. Shortly: LOST sucks.
“Hey you poor moron, it’s just a TVshow”.
Yes, and without timetravel it could be a better one!
Now I’m tired!
wow reading all that made my brain hurt but you make great points….
Yes, and without timetravel it could be a better one!
…I don’t agree with you here, the time travel is cool, but with better wrinting and
explanations, I mean this is lost, how lost cand you get with time travell,… very much…I’m lost by reading your complicated comment.
cheers
Eloise told them, that the world was in danger, if they wouldn’t somehow go back, and she was right.
ok so i am retarded but i can only blame myself but would somebody please tell me juse what danger the whole world was in especially when juliette or should we say slutyette told jack after watching him in the shower for awhile said that they didn’t need saving…
the world was in danger, because if they didn’t return, the future would have been different, another time-line, when not only ben would have been different, but the purge wouldn’t have happened, the dharma or US army whould have been still in control of the magic island.
Eloise was on the island, and she knew them in the future I think.
Even if whatever happened happened, Eloise did she’s job, and did send them to the plain 316.
IT was revealed in other scfi movies, that if even a person changes he’s time-line, the world is different.
Did you understood or not?
wow ok i guess i get it but the happened happened happened thing is compleatly out the window but then again you know retarded is forever even if it is my own fault…
Obviously you got lost by my comment, in which I explained exactly why “the world was in danger, because if they didn’t return, the future would have been different” and “whatever happened happened” can’t be true at the same time. And even if they could, how do you KNOW that the events that would have happend if they didn’t evil-fy Ben in the 70s would be objectively worse and a real danger to the world? All you have is pendulum-oracle-mother’s word that it is according to her understanding what is bad to the(/her) world, no proof, not even an explanation how it endangers it.
ok ok now let me see happened happened happened don’t really matter cuz future future future might get changed changed changed hummm i seem to like writing some words in threes so nothing changed still retarded my own fault and i guess what your trying to tell me here is LOST sucks wow maybe i do get it after all…
If their path leads back to the island, no matter what, then the writers should have shown us that by NOT making them go back willingly… at least not all of them. SOME of them (or at least one) should have decided not to go back, but should’ve wound up there anyway through events out of his/her control. It’s poor writing to have them all just be like, “okay, if you say it’s my destiny, then I guess it is. Point proven.” If anything, it unravels the time-travel theory.
And it goes against the whole “show, don’t tell” concept of good story-telling.
Holy shit, reading my old posts as NOSEBLEEDSECTION is nothing but embarrassing. This shit is nothing short of just plain blatherskite…..
Here is an article on how Darlton fucked up Charlottes age by accident; therefore, causing a continuity error. The comments by the fans are the best though. They basically say that Darlton didn’t make a mistake, even though he, himself, admits to making the mistake. Read on!:
ausiellofiles(dot)ew(dot)com/2009/03/lost-exclusive(dot)html
I, for one don’t give a shit about Charlotte and her age. She’s dead ,hope juliete follows…
Expectedly, young Ben is still alive.
Yay! Awesome, we are going to find out the biggest mistery of the show! What Sawyer wispered in Kate’s ear!
Oh good, its a kate-flashback ep. one of the the two worst characters with the lamest flashbacks.
Wow, the whole plot revolves about something that could’ve been resolved in seconds by the following:
a) Sayid blows little Ben’s brains out
b) Sayid doesn’t harm little Ben at all
How the fuck does Miles know Ben turned a wheel?
From locke I guess, or it is an error
Locke didn’t know there was a wheel until Christian guided him into the wheelcave.
yes I remember now, you’re right.It’s bad writing for sure!…not to important, but because it was forced, the conversation between miles and hurley was for all the average viewers to have a clue on what’s going on
oh wait…maybe bentham told Jack, Jack told Miles, …just kidding.
Or maybe a dead guy told Miles
Yeah, so the audience can rest knowing that the writers acknowledge their confusion.
Still, it’s a fucking travesty that the writers let this shit come this far…
…for fucking shame…
Good observation, LOSTard!
Infact no one knows about the wheel except ben and locke. Considering bens sense for information, he didn’t share his knowledge to O6 and Sawyer and staff haven’t seen him since even before the island moved, Lock didn’t let anyone know about it either as we saw all the conversations he had with O6.
Except just another writing error there’s only one last explanation: DHARMA’s discovery of the wheel our Faraday witnessed took place way before Miles talked to Hurley, but then considering the sensitivity of that intel Sawyer and staff have to know almost everything else of DHARMA’s island knowledge. They just don’t care about it! So just another example of poorest writing!
yes i think this a very important thing to look at now the events went as such in orchid lock is watching film tells ben says no metal man ben says duck then tells locke where others are at, says nothing as to the how in moving island. next flash go to beach no orchid no beach no flash flash pointy eard statue bye bye charlotte flash at the well now as i recall nothing was ever talked about as far as the knowing of what to do when john started down the rope except that it wouldn’t be no fun ifn ya just lowered me down cuz then pussylockes got chewed out by daddy jack for lettin ben move the island and told pussylockes what to do without helping now the nose bleed section (this is wwhere i took my name from) you know sawer sluttyette poekypine & jin have yet to see pussylockes again and i dint recall him telling anybody else how he got off the island and i remember bugeyed ben askin jack mehoff if pussylockes had told him anything about what was going on back at the island jack say no & he say well than i guess we will never know. now as far as freaky fanboy faraday i think he was to wrapped up in not gonna tell charlotte to tell anybody about frozn donkey wheel and with just the pick did he really know thats what it was for. so, that does leave one possability and that maybe when pussylockes dies he tells poekypine then but can he talk to dead folk way across the time barrier? i think not. so how could this even have been brought up when it was and is compleatly unknown. WOW what a huge or should i say hugo mistake on the part of the writers what a fucking joke ok lets see you squirm your way out of this one you FUCKING FREAKY ASSED FAGGOT FANBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW!!! I have no idea how anybody could read this. Let alone understand it. Hell I can’t even read it, and I wrote it for Christs sakes. What a fucking retard…..
How do Hurley and Miles know old Ben didn’t remember Saiyd shooting him?
Woa, great! The logic of the writers behind this is clear: He showed no sign that he did remember, so he didn’t remember. That means, only what is explicitly shown on camera is real, according to the writers! Do you all know what that means: It’s the end of almost every poor fanboy Lost-defending theory (”…it’s just not shown to us!”).
Now they have to admit that LOST is filled up with continuity flaws (The bigger problem of sucking character construction and “deploying” they don’t even comprehend, but anyway…) or atleast that “H. and M. knowing B. not remembering….” is a flaw! Either way, LOST can’t be entirely flawless for them anymore! Ok, we know… it still can. They’ll manage!
What happened to Faraday?
“It doesn’t matter.”
“Whatever happened to him happened.”
very funny
Comment by LOZD
2009-04-04 22:08:54
“It doesn’t matter.”
Comment by asadshame
2009-04-05 00:20:49
“Whatever happened to him happened.”
Of course, how could I even have asked?
What happened to Faraday? Hmmm…
It’s not like his “acting” is being missed. It seems all he ever did was point his head down, mumble, mumble, squint eyes and look left to right nervously.
He comes across more as a junkie than as a physicist…
Wow, the reason characters answer questions with “Don’t ask” or “It doesnt matter” is so that they can then go on and do an entire flash back sequence explaining it.
What we have predicted several episodes ago has become true: Each of the O6 get an entire episode entirely dedicated to explaining why came back with no plot development whatsoever.
dude dude dude here you go again man you need to flush them damn no good shrooms down the toilet boy!!!
ok ok now i know i just found this site about a month ago and all and i really enjoy all the posts some are so serious that you would think that it is a reality show instead of a sci-fi drama and other posts are as funny, and i am talking belly laughs funny as you can get so what i am getting at is i want to thank everybody who posts here because it really don’t matter if you think LOST sucks or not its that you are expressing your own feelings on what the other person has posted and can get away with being as mean or as nice as you yes you want to be. so there ya go thanks again………
yeah, I enjoy not only the level of hostility taken towards the show, but with the people who express their hostility towards the show; sometimes because they disagree (in which case they grill the fuck out of that guy) or the other in which one guy thinks the other guy’s reasons for thinking the show sucks aren’t adequate and subsequently grills the fuck out of him all the same.
This site if fucking hilarious
Richard likes innocent little boys. That’s where the writers are going.
He must be Belgian
Hey hey hey. Every cuntry has its pederasts.
It’s all the rage over in Europe and on the island to lock up kids in dark rooms for decades.
my bet is on juliet for setting up the flaming van. the writers need a reason to get that quadrangle rotating again.
And isn’t it surprising that Juliet doesn’t seem to have any kind of need anymore to see her “from time to time cancer” sister again after let’s say 5 years or her sister’s child born during Juliets absence for the first time at all? Staying two weeks longer on-island to satisfy Sawyer after two years not seeing her, Ok. But THREE YEARS!
she’s sister is in the future, but if this show was ” real enough” even with the Scfi, Juliette would have tried to leave.However she can’t leave cuz of the time-line that needs to be respected. It would have been more interesting, if Juliette or Saywer tried to get off, but the nature wouldn’t let them, ex submarine suddently malfunction.
The reason they stayed is kinda stupid.
If I was one of the writers, it would have been much better.
I know this show from top to bottom, with all the flaws, good and bad writing, it’s the only show I watch for now, the rest bore me.
the first 3 seasons were ok, since then it went down, and not because of the time travell, wich I find it cool, but because of the bad writing, loose conections, and many errors.
so you basically admit that lost sucks. Good development, my fanboy brotha!
I don’t understand one thing. I agree that Juliet and co. cannot leave the island because the island wouldn’t let them. But why do they think that they would go back to 77 in the real worls. ONLY the island can time-travel, not the whole world! So they could at least have tried..Jack and co. came from 2007 and they ended up in 1977.
But I’m curious , what happens to the sub that leaves in 77. It cannot go back to 77 real world, because 1977 doesn’T exist in thereal world right? So the sub ceases to exist when it reaches the barrier of the island or what???
hmmm, …juliette, kack and co. are in 1977, and if they leave the island they would end up in the 70’s. I guees if they shown us their intentions of leaving, maybe it would have turned up as a filler.
The people on the island did time-travel, not the island! …and the others in 2007 didn’t time travell cuz they were protected by the temple I guess.
I’am a ”fanboy” , but i’m not stupid…I don’t come here to bash the show to the detail, but only to criticize the more important elements.
for example:
why did eloise said that jack,kate,sun are enough to go back, sice the others weren’t convinced, I mean Sayd was the most important one yet, and she knew that, because she did witness the whole thing back then
No! How would they get back in 77 in the real world? It is 2007. If you are right then there should be paralell timelines, I mean there should be an 1977 in the outside world, and there should be a 2007.
But I can’t understand how it is possible that there are 2 timelines at the same time on the island(1977 (Jack)and 2007(sun)).My mind can’t take this. This time travel bullshit is a nonsense.
OK let’s clear it up.
The writers want to tell us: When Ben turned the wheel, the island along with the others, physically moved atleast through space to its new location, where 316 “found” it three years later. All the Losties jump only through time not space seperated from the 2004-island back on the 70s version of the island in the 70s, which means I was wrong (As I said after my extended timetravel comment, I was fucking tired) with “Why don’t leave and see the sister”.
But if the island would be able to sabotage the sub so Juliet couldn’t leave, and was able to even block Michaels gun thousands of miles off-island, than why didn’t it simply sabotage the Helicopter so that the O6 would never have been able to leave in the first place, as it had known since the 70s that Sayid , Kate…would need to evil-fy Ben and therefor jump with Locke etc.?
That’s why I hate the timetravel. It reduces everything to pure “mechanics”, that don’t even work properly, it distracts from the core feeling of Lost, it opens up much more possibilities for new and more ridiculous flaws than it helps to reduce flaws, and it also destroyes even the formal continuity of the correctness of LOST’s (independant from that bad) pace. They took three years (!) to show in detail the interhuman developments of only three month (the problem was that they started to write those developments more and more pointlessly just to be able to keep on writing them – even if that means the characters act idiotically – and that they stopped concentrating on consistently building up and starting to satisfyingly solve the mysteries) and now they take only one episode to show the results of three (!) years of character development of sawyer, Botox… on the island. That reduces the “Even small but therefor intense experiences can have impotance even if the don’t last for long”-message of the first three seasons to nothing, rapes and invalidates it. By that LOST turns into a parody of itself on even a further level.
Yes, you are right. I think the main problem here is that on lost there is no free will , no free choices. Everything is written in stone, everything happens how it is supposed to. And it is corny.
So the the island didn’t sabotage the helicopter because it was supposed to happen that way. Yeah, absolutely no sense, but this is lost!
The most nonsense show ever on TV!
written be true calvinists
the helicopter escape was needed , for say …to develope hatred for ben and shoot him, also for jack for not saving him, etc
No.It happened because it was supposed to happen.Ii it hadn’t happened, the world would have ended! It is destiny!
So why were they “not supposed to leave”, when they actually were?
only Locke said that.
yeah the whole “don’t ever ask me that question” think from kate to jack turns out to be pretty lame… if kate had done something off the wall with aaron, like sell his organs to the highest bidder or blast him into outer space, maybe it would have made sense for her to be so secretive about it,… but for her to make such a big deal about jack asking where the little guy went, only to find out that dind ding ding kate gave him to his grandmother, was extremely anti-climactic. it was also very poor writing, as if the writers couldn’t come up with any real suspense so they threw this bit of nonsense in there to gin up some fake tension they could stretch out for a few weeks. that was just stupid… and the fact that jack agrees not to ask where aaron is, is even dumber. this show is replete with instances like this.
It’s like the whole “courtroom drama” with Kate. Even when the writers are dealing with normal things in the normal, real world, they completely fuck them up. There’s no way in hell Kate would be walking around free in the real world given all the crimes she has committed. But that wouldn’t work with Lost’s infinite spaghetti-threads of insanity, so she gets off scot-free.
This is the kind of bad writing that gives bad writing a bad name.
In the real world Jack’s impassioned speech would have worked for about two seconds before the prosecution would have called up the orphaned children of the man Kate got killed.
Jack: “She stitched me up on the island. I think she should be pardoned.”
Orphans: “She got our father killed. We will never be given the opportunity to get to know him.”
Kate could have easily went to jail seeing as how you apparently don’t need to bring everyone back to the island like they had originally said. Just a handful of people dumb enough to go back without a specific reason.
On a more positive note, it is clear that more people are beginning to see what a complete suck fest tthis show really is. No matter how hard the fanboys might try to fight it the numbers don’t lie. The number of people posting on this website has been increasing in direct relation to how bad Lost is getting. More and more people are starting to see the light.
There are more and more complaints about season 5, even the fanboys are complaining.
Lost is a failure!
Simon, did you dedicate your life to be a lost critic?
How about this…your life is a failure
every show is a failure from your judgement, that means your opinions are shit
How is every show a failure from my judgemenet Alexey? I start to think that you are really dumb.
Even if I’m a failure, that doesn’t change the fact that lost sucks!
I’m just saying you’re over-reacting just like a chick…take it easy
You post way too often.
“It doesn’t matter”
“No matter how hard the fanboys might try to fight it the numbers don’t lie.”
OMG the numbers! They’ve only come up once this season.
ok here we go 2 timelines sounds kind of crazy to me but the biggest thing here is they have known all along how to end the show…i think thats rather easy give a couple of good spins on the old frozen donkey wheel from 77 and flash flash flash your sitting next to the most beautiful sun and bug eyed ben and good old pussylockes bunch in 07 or 08 whenever the hell they are. the 2 timelines thing is just way to much i believe its more like this, first of all keep in mind that i am retarded without much education but check it out i think the 77 island and the 07 island are more like if you crossed your eyes than you kind of see double and by spinning that wheel its kind of like your eyes are going back to normal and you focus back blink a couple of times and your back to having everybody in pacific time zone same time same station. i am sure that their story will be way more dramatic and take up at least four epasodes but i think it will be very similar because there are not to many ways out of the hole they have written themselves into. also remember walt in new york told pussylockes to watch his ass cuz he was around a bunch of people who didn’t like him and he be wearing a suit with some funkey assed shoes ok ok i made up the shoe thing and also whidmore was saying something about a war so with that i personally believe it can be saved and they could maybe just maybe pull there heads out and finish the show off with a little integrity….. do i believe that they will do it……………………………FUCK NO……………………………………………………………
Ben turned the wheel did a boogy dance and Kate is sad but Sawyer wants to be left alone Jack has hurty feelings nobody knows what Ben knows he’s not dead not dead and the buttfuck clown monster is coming next episode of…….LOST
OH BOY, HOW I DO LOVE THAT OLD SMOKEY MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ooops sorry i dont mean to be screaming at you and oh yes sun is by far the best looking woman on this show and i think she diggs me ya wow guess i better put that out for a while……………..
chut up.
I want to get me one of them 4 x 4 VW vans. Fuck your Cayon-aero.
What will the finale scene be like? I bet it’s Jack with his stupid face standing in the bushes, then cocking a gun cuz he hears something. All of a sudden LOCKE comes out. Locke says: “Hello Jack”
LOST
… immediately followed by Jin who says: “Hello John”
followed by Kate who says: “Hello Jin”
followed by Juliet who says: “Hello Kate”
followed by Hurley who says: “Hello Juliet”
followed by Miles who says: “Hello Hurley”
followed by Sawyer who says: “Hello Miles”
followed by Sayid who says: “Hello Sawyer”
followed by Rose who says: “Hello Sayid”
followed by Bernard who says: “Hello Rose”
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followed by Vincent who says: “Goodnight Johnboy”
followed by CONWAY TWITTY who says: “HELLO WALLS”
followed by Jerry Seinfeld’s tv mom who says: Hell Newman”
I have an idea for the next episode.
Dear Mrs. Budd. In 1894 a friend of mine shipped as a deck hand on the Steamer Tacoma, Capt. John Davis. They sailed from San Francisco for Hong Kong, China. On arriving there he and two others went ashore and got drunk. When they returned the boat was gone. At that time there was famine in China. Meat of any kind was from $1-3 per pound. So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak—chops—or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. A boy or girl’s behind which is the sweetest part of the body and sold as veal cutlet brought the highest price. John staid [sic] there so long he acquired a taste for human flesh. On his return to N.Y. he stole two boys, one 7 and one 11. Took them to his home stripped them naked tied them in a closet. Then burned everything they had on. Several times every day and night he spanked them – tortured them – to make their meat good and tender. First he killed the 11 year old boy, because he had the fattest ass and of course the most meat on it. Every part of his body was cooked and eaten except the head—bones and guts. He was roasted in the oven (all of his ass), boiled, broiled, fried and stewed. The little boy was next, went the same way. At that time, I was living at 409 E 100 St. near—right side. He told me so often how good human flesh was I made up my mind to taste it. On Sunday June the 3, 1928 I called on you at 406 W 15 St. Brought you pot cheese—strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat in my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her. On the pretense of taking her to a party. You said yes she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester I had already picked out. When we got there, I told her to remain outside. She picked wildflowers. I went upstairs and stripped all my clothes off. I knew if I did not I would get her blood on them. When all was ready I went to the window and called her. Then I hid in a closet until she was in the room. When she saw me all naked she began to cry and tried to run down the stairs. I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mamma. First I stripped her naked. How she did kick – bite and scratch. I choked her to death, then cut her in small pieces so I could take my meat to my rooms. Cook and eat it. How sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven. It took me 9 days to eat her entire body. I did not fuck her tho I could of had I wished. She died a virgin.
Any show or movie where the only explanation for a seemingly baffling action taken by the protagonists is “well, if they did that, then the show would be over”, is a badly written one.
So for example, in many sitcoms, when a premise changing event occurs, you always know it will be undone by the end of the episode: “Wait, just one goddamn minute, why did Mortimer give back the money he inherited when his cross-dressing uncle died, and decided to return to his job as a sex-doll tester, and to his wife who is half alien, and to his dog who can speak Aramaic? and why didn’t he have the spirit of his mother-in-law (who always talks to him before the credits) exorcised, and why didn’t he pay the ransom for his midget sister, Smallina, who is held hostage by Sheik Padullah (who is gay but is in denial)???”
…Well, because if he did that, the (hilarious!) 80’s sitcom would be over.
Why don’t they ask any questions on Lost? Why don’t they just beat the answers out of Ben? Why aren’t they more proactive in trying to find out what’s happening? Why not try to involve the authorities, or at least some powerful friends? Why not try to break into Widmore’s office and look for some documents? Why not try to research the history of the island (Faraday could do that, so why can’t they)? Why didn’t the LEADER of the others, John H. Locke, ask his followers for a full disclosure? How come Sawyer and Julliette didn’t find out anything important in 3 effing years? Why don’t they sit and form theories on what is happening like any NORMAL person would? And why didn’t the pendulum lady just use her breasts?
…Well, because if they did that, the show would be over.
wow i didn’t understand it but i do believe you the fact is just because you know how it is gonna end this fact dont mean shit if the show is wrote for 80 mayhap 90 episodes. then the bastards tell you hay season 1 & 2 went over so great we are gonna give ya 45 or 50 more. so now ya finally got to the middle of season 4 and uh ooh shit ya went and ran out of ideas cuz ya cant go playin spin the tail on the donkey wheel to soon so ya write a bunch of crappy meaningless nonsense such as “kate, where is aaron” and i think her response should have been “if i tell ya i gotta kill ya” i dont care even that crap is better then what was said. i was thinking maybe the big bad wolf while going over the river and through them woods. well anyways yer pulling it out yer ass and you really have the freaky faggot fanboys in an uproar cuz they cant even keep up with the sorry assed excuses ya been layin on us, so the question is, how deep do we gotta get into season 6 before pat sajack says i’m going to give the frozen donkey wheel a final spin and then you have five seconds to give me a year ya wanna be in so here we go watch your eyes vanna cuz this flash is gonna be a doozy…boooooooom……………………………LOST.
chut up Mikey
boooooom…………………BEN…………………..queer as a 3 dollar bill. watch for this new series on ABC right after LOST.
omg, just seen the new sneek peaks.
It seems that Locke forgives Ben for killing him lol..Johnnyboy will be fooled once again.
Locke was the best character, but Dartoln made him an idiot. Good job guys.
The only good character on the show was Desmond, but he rarely turns up.
Instead of him we have Amy, Horace, Ilina etc..
BOOOOM
Yes, and what reason does Desmond have to show up? If they wrote him in, you guys would cry CLUMSY WRITIN TRYIN TO PLZ DA FANBOIS… Desmond’s life is gud, and he doesn’t want to return to the island.
better chut up buttheads i’m kool. just a bunch of buttfreaks that can’t understand or keep up with a show
Most of us can keep up with the show, we just don’t want to anymore.
I thought lost was the best thing since sliced bread.
But, these last 2 pseudo-seasons suck A BIG BAG OF DICKS.
The haters are right.
We all fell in love with the MAIN CHARACTERS from the first few seasons:
Locke, Jack and Said to be specific.
Now, we never see them. Or at least never see them doing anything noteworthy or interesting. No offense, “Ben”, but Ben sucks. He was cool at first, but damn, what a fucking waste of an awesome (and should’ve been shortlived) character. There is NO EXPLANATION for why someone hasn’t shot Ben in the face by now. Absolutely None.
The timing of the music leading into breaks in the early seasons corresponded with action or intense suspense. Now, it’s just plain hokey. It literally makes me laugh almost every time.
***Note the music while Hurley and Asian Dude are talking about time travel (last week’s episode). Totally Fucking Lame…they’re practically making fun of us.
The show just plain SUCKS, and it kills me to say it. Kills me even more that I have to keep watching. I’m pot committed at this point holding Jack-Shit offsuit.