Episode 6: Sundown
“That’s not important right now”
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oh boy looks like a quarter of the episode has already been wasted on pointless whispering and suspenseful music.
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With all due respect Hank, please stop hawking your website here. If it was something unrelated (or only somewhat related) to this site it would be one thing. The fact you felt a “shameless plug” was appropriate for this weeks first post says something rather unsavory about your character.
I have to agree with Nico on this one.
If you had set up your site a few seasons back and let it be discovered the way this site is discovered that would have been great.
Coming here when the show is almost over though and spamming for your site is far from cool.
Your posts are good too. You should just share them here.
Besides, there’s already another outlet for bagging on ‘Lost’ and it’s called Gawker (on the nights that ‘Lost’ airs).
This site is the gold standard for ridiculing the show though.
Guns AND knives in this one…usually just guns.
Pure gutter crap
I think this is the first episode in a while I didn’t outright loathe. Admittedly, it wasn’t great, but it had some good action towards the end, and Terry O’Quinn continues to rise above the muck. And they got rid of those two annoying Temple guys, so that’s a plus.
Of course, no REAL questions were answered, but you’re used to that.
One of the best episodes in a long time for me and I still don’t care what happens to any of them.
Gotta agree with Joseph. But I did hate Jack’s cameo in the hospital just because these things have become such a cliche. And it surprised me last night how much I really hate it when Kate shows up. All I have to do is see her, and I know it’s time for teh stoopid to begin.
“Of course, no REAL questions were answered, but you’re used to that.”
Well, they did answer the question of Asian camp commander’s mysterious baseball, so there’s that.
Yeah, but who even cared? It was a stupid story. And his story about the baseball didn’t answer Sayid’s question about why the guy didn’t kill him when he had the chance… And that fight was so gay. But of course it had to happen. You can’t have some kung-fu looking mutherfucker die without some retarded kung fu fight.
God, this show is so fucking awful. The writers need to just commit suicide.
I just like watching Sayid get his ass handed to him.
And the baseball thing was gay.
lol I could not agree more
I wish i could smokemonster the writers who
ruin the show, the show had such great potential in the beginning,
6/18 season 6 episodes done. 12/18 left.
109/121 series episodes done. 12/121 left.
Lost is 90% done. We have 10% left.
Probably should be called melt down!!!!!
Of course Kate’s still alive. Claire, what’re you doing, sis? You said you’d kill Kate if she took Aaron! Now get on it!
Do characters ever follow up is what they say in LOST? Even the writers don’t, then why blame the poor characters :-p.
It puts the lotion in the basket.
“…or it gets the hose again”.
“PUT THE FUCKING LOTION IN THE BASKET!!!!!!!!!!!”
Just like an afternoon soap when the story gets too convoluted to go on, they kill off everyone and then hope for a fresh restart. Lazy and fucked up episode.
Life expectancy for a Lost extra is 1.8 episodes.
And thats pushing it!!!!!!!!!!
One positive. The Indiana Jones movie….errrrrr….excuse me Lost episode was at the very least action-driven. Sure, Sayid’s fight with Iron Chef was lame. Right when we’re about to get “answers” the 2 practice their karate moves on each other. Wait, that was Inspector Clouseau and Cato right?
I’ll give it to Claire. She truly looks insane. As does Sayid now. Of course, this doesn’t answer any questions we have, it just advances the story into a more insane, crazier piled-up mess that already has too many plot twists to be coherrent.
More continuity crap from our stolid writers. From a few seasons ago, we’ve seen ash surrounding Jacob’s cabin, and now the temple. We were told this is what kept the monster out. Hell, that Ilana chick was freaked out when she saw the ash circle broke around the cabin last season. Since Lost is purely mythological now, we pretty much have to accept the “rules” the writers give us. So what do they do now that they need the Smoke monster/fakeLocke to kill everyone and take over? They change the “rules”, have Sayid kill Iron Chef who is the “real reason” why Smokey couldn’t enter the temple.
And where did fakeLocke’s posse come from? The Dharma fuckin’ barracks? Or do they live in a older, more secret location unknown to anyone before this time with a more secret group of people dwelling in it that our characters will happen to stumble upon later? Cuz I’m pretty sure the others wouldn’t have allowed fakeLocke’s posse just to roam around in the jungle, doing the bidding of their worst enemy without doing something.
The “flashacrosssidewaystothealternateuniverse” had the most compelling story of any “flashsideways” this season. Sayid recorded his 58th and 59th kill on the show, taking over Halo 3’s username H8erBoy69 for 2,387th place on the online rankings. Jin’s trapped in a closet. Go get Tom Cruise and R. Kelly to get him out.
Answers! What fuckin’ answers? Yeah, the plot ‘developed’ Lost style, which means it introduced even more characters, more twists, more inane fight-scenes, more dramatic musical scores, and little coherence.
Squinty the pilot’s gang arrives in the midst of time to save Miles from the smoke monster and hides in a secret room no one who actually lived at the temple thought of entering. Much like Ben’s secret secret room when he summoned the smoke monster, I’m sure they’ll go to another and another room whenever the plot needs twisting.
No Jack who is prolly still staring out into the ocean. I’m guessing in 2 or 3 weeks he’ll show up, out of the blue, and know what to do without telling anyone what that is exactly.
Meanwhile, will the show get to any of these real answers the fans and critics have been wanting for YEARS, not days.
* Dharma food drop> happened after Dharma had been off the island for 12 years.
* Walt’s specialness> the omniscient others were surprised at his “abilities.” Probably something they should have explained.
* Why Libby was in the mental hospital.
* What Widmore wants from the island, or even Ben for that matter!
* Why Desmond (who could see into the future) told Charlie he saw Claire and Aaron get into a helecopter and be rescued> This is WHY Charlie gave his life in the underwater station. If this never happens, then Charlie died in vane and the fans SHOULD be pissed.
* What happend to Dharma’s extensive scientific team OFF the island. After the purge, the D.I. just allowed 40 of its members to be killed and never tried to return to the island even though the knew how to get back (that church in Los Angeles)
* The significance of the ash. It USED to keep the smoke monster away, but now only deadDogen can? WTF?
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKKKKKKK!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLTTTT!
Boom.
L O S T
“Jin’s trapped in a closet. Go get Tom Cruise and R. Kelly to get him out.”
*sings* “So then I pulled out my gun…”
“and capped some bitch”.
AHAAAHAAAAHHAHAH FUNNY SHIT
Dude, you just pwned lost
Ok, so what is the point of the ash to begin with. To keep smokey out ? Smokey who by the “rules” couldn’t kill jacob himself. Smokey who was chit chatting with jacob in the first episode of some season. Smokey who can’t kill a candidate and apparently he can’t/won’t kill anyone who doesn’t attack him first ?
Am I missing some critical point with this ash business ?
Where is Richard ? Didn’t he say he was going to the temple ?
Hell even the guys that attack him first like Sayid did!!!! Oh yes thats right he is a candidate. Ummmm the guys from the Illona party??? Nope the bullets just bounce off him… I guess he can’t be killed. Oh but of course Jacob can be. What!!!!! Who the hell thinks this shit up anyways?????
Okay, just a quick question about the ash. If the ash can keep the smoke monster out, doesn’t it also stand to reason the ash can be used to keep the smoke monster IN? Why the fuck don’t they just draw a giant circle of ash around the general location of the smoke monster and then make it progressively smaller and smaller by increasing the width of the ash ring?
Smoke monster trapped, problem solved, no need to hide in the temple, no need for Jacob to worry, everything on the island is a-okay.
OR DOES THAT MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE?
Way too much. After all, the smoke monster can just get Sayid to steal the samuri’s magic baseball and pitch it to Claire who has to hit a ground ball to the right side to move smoke monster out of the circle (if there is less than 2 outs). Of course if Jacob is dead, Jack has to scream “we have to go back” no more than 3 times and if not, then the smoke monster can break the circle within 3 business days. If Kate cocks her gun more than 5 times in the span of an hour, the ash circle is nullified due to rule 4B section 2A. Jacob, however, can has 5 days to appeal this ruling, and must consult Eyeliner or bugeyed Ben for the next course of action.
So, as you see, it is tough to keep smokey down when the writers can just pull whatever “rule” out of their ass whenever they want.
How the hell did Titus Pulo’s girlfriend know which rock button to push to get into the secret room anyway? Has she been there before?
LOL Titus Pullo’s bitch
“And where did fakeLocke’s posse come from? The Dharma fuckin’ barracks? Or do they live in a older, more secret location unknown to anyone before this time with a more secret group of people dwelling in it that our characters will happen to stumble upon later? Cuz I’m pretty sure the others wouldn’t have allowed fakeLocke’s posse just to roam around in the jungle, doing the bidding of their worst enemy without doing something.”
Those were the guys who just left the temple…
He said they could choose to leave or stay. The ones who left followed him out.
Oops. Missed that. But how did smokey know not to kill them??
“Go get Tom Cruise and R. Kelly to get him out.”
You mean John Travolta.
Some good points . I even forgot about Desmond’s vision of Claire and Aaron being rescued. I’m fairly confident Widmore will never reappear in a significant role.
Let’s not forget the whole thing about why no babies survived child birth on the island. Yet another mystery that has been completely forgotten by the writers.
wow. you really summed up artfully why i hate this effin show.
“I’ll give it to Claire. She truly looks insane.”
Miles: “Still looks hot though”- what the …? Been a while, Miles???
ABC must have taken over the show…
This is the worst show on television. I can’t relate to a single character, cause none of them act appropriately. Can’t sone of them be curious about the fact that they’re on some crazy island and unearthly, almost cosmic events happen regularly since they’ve arrived? Nope. All in a day’s work apparently. Travel through time? Whatevs.
“For starters, what is this machine?” asks Sayid on tonight’s episode. No, wrong. How about: “WHO THE F@##& ARE YOU AND WHAT THE F%$# IS THIS PLACE?” Wouldn’t any sane person ask that by this point? AM I INSANE MAYBE?
And how can i enjoy a god damn temple raid by the smoke monster if I DON’T UNDERSTAND THE CONFLICT. That is storytelling 101. People say the show would be boring if we knew all the answers. These people are a$$hole$. If I knew the premise, and didn’t feel frustrated and confused the whole time, then maybe I could enjoy the story.
Why are the producers so scared to let the show function on legitimate story arcs, and not retarded cliff hangers? I loved Six Feet Under, and I understood what was going on the whole god damn time! Even in X Files, where we knew nothing most of the series, Mulder was at least always p!ssed off at being uninformed, AND WAS CONSTANTLY ASKING LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS!!!!!
Worst show. Garbage. I am no longer interested in the answers. The ineptitude of the producers with storytelling fundamentals indicates that they will not be able to wow us. Or at least me.
Sorry….had to vent. I’m done with this show.
“And how can i enjoy a god damn temple raid by the smoke monster if I DON’T UNDERSTAND THE CONFLICT.”
Exactly what I said tonight! How am I supposed to care about any of this without understand the stakes? Horrible way to tell a story.
“And how can i enjoy a god damn temple raid by the smoke monster if I DON’T UNDERSTAND THE CONFLICT. That is storytelling 101.”
Well said michael.
Personally I think they’re bluffing and are blowing smoke monster up the audience’s asses. All I see is that season is just pure mental masturbation. A needless trip down nostalgia lane where all the new characters plus all the regurgitated earlier characters do a quick walk on and then quickly get turfed. Honestly, what was the point of Keamy and his fried eggs??? On top of that throw in a few new mini arcs and I think people are being delusional to think any of that will amount to anything.
The writers slowly kill everyone off and then no one is left. For the final scene Vincent licks his crotch and barks at the camera… BOOM LOST.
For the final scene Vincent licks his crotch and barks at the camera.
That would make more sense than anything. It was all a dog’s dream. Now where did I bury that polar bear bone?
The “Vincent’s Dream” answer had been suggested at TWOP inseason 2 and i think it is still a distinct possibility.
“The writers slowly kill everyone off and then no one is left. For the final scene Vincent licks his crotch and barks at the camera… BOOM LOST.”
I’d love that!
Vincent makes that clickity clackity smokie sound when he’s licking his crotch…. Ooops, just gave away the plot to Lost: The Movie.
“Vincent makes that clickity clackity smokie sound when he’s licking his crotch”
LOL!!!!
You guys didn’t know it, but I wrote this episode of Lost. Or one would think so. From the first minute when I exclaimed out loud “Kung-Fu fight!!!” right before Sayid and Last Samurai went at it; to the very ending “BOOM!” I seemed to be a minute or two ahead of the plot. To call this show predictable is an understatement.
More importantly, despite the grandiose posturing of the promos there were no answers to be found. Yet again my complaint remains the same: As far as progressing the plot goes NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENED.
The only positives I could find in this shambling pile of rancid dog feces were that the smoke monster is still surprisingly creepy; and Naveen Andrews is still a pretty decent actor (no matter what kind of shit they give him to work with).
Lost sucks… SURPRISE!
“I’m still proud of the first season, around the third I thought they were winging it, the writing was poor [but] I’m definitely doing two more years.”
-Naveen Andrews on Friday Night With Jonathan Ross, Friday 1 February 2008, 10.35pm, BBC One
I’d like to see him do another interview now in 2010.
I still half watch Lost because of Naveen and Terry. Naveen was brilliant after he got “recruited” by SLocke
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don’t take this personal nico, but i’d disagree in a sense. Lost does develop the plot, however slowly. We’ve come a long way from “who are the others” back in season 1. But do we get many answers? NO!
Look at this episode, for instance. At the beginning of the epi, Dogen the Iron Chef was in charge at the temple, looking for another way to off Sayidistan. At the end, Sayid was on Smoke monster’s “side” and killed Dogen and John Lennon. The smoke monster was able to take over the temple.
But for the life of me, I don’t know how we get from point A to B. I get Sayid has been “turned,” but they don’t explain how or why this happens. We learn Sayid was indeed dead, but we had been told in earliers seasons that “dead is dead.” So how can dead Sayid be brought back to life? Because the writers want him to.
Now on to the smoke monster. For the past few episodes we have seen the ash being spread out in a circle so that the smoke monster can’t enter the temple. Apparently, now that the writers need a way for the smoke monster to enter, all Sayid has to do is drown Dogen in the magic tub. So what is so mystical about Iron Chef? He killed his son after driving his brakeless toyota into a pole after drinking too much saki? And jacob told him to come to the island? Wow! This really answers everything.
Anywho, Lost’s story does progress, just in the most frustrating way possible. Ignore the mysteries, the plot holes, and focus on the *new mystery. Make up whatever rules you want since the show is now no longer based on any scientific logic at all, and then conviently break them whenever it best fits the story. I would rather the show drag out if we actually got a) fitting answers b) rational characters c) closure.
You’re getting sucked in by the sloppy writing – “Lost’s story does progress…Ignore the mysteries… focus on the *new mystery.”
This week’s *new mystery will become next week’s *old mystery and then what?
No I agree. The story DOES change, albeit slowly, but the writers never provide closure to storylines/mysteries. Okay, we found out there ARE others, and where some of them live (barracks) and now where the other others live (temple). But why?
For instance, the food drop in season 2. Pretty fuckin’ trippy. The Dharma Init was purged in 1992 or so, 12 years BEFORE the food drop in 2004. How did this happen? Was it a set up by the others? If so, then why? Furthermore, where has Dharma been? Why haven’t they tried to find the island? After all, over 40 members died in the purge, yet the bigwigs on the mainland just say “fuck it, we don’t really want to explore the strange properties of the island” ????
Unfortunately, the writers lost their chance to answer said questions in seasons 3-5. Now the story has progressed to 2 demigods vicariously fighting thru the main characters.
My point is that the writers addiction to new mysteries, characters, storylines, and cliffhangers have changed the story too many times without giving answers because, THERE ARE NO ANSWERS. Just mysteries for mysteries’ sake. More chickenshit about destiny and choice and black vs. white and mirrors and redemption. 95% of the events in the previous 5 seasons were a mirage to distract us from the “epic” showdown of 2 characters we don’t really know that much about. And this pisses me off.
Ah yes. A good old-fashioned battle between two demigods. Ripping off the classics as they say. The Gilgamesh epic or the bible? Or some obscure mythical nonsense from greek or egyptian lore? Take your pick. On that level the writers have been shamelessly ripping off Roger Zelazny’s “Creatures of Light and Darkness.” The book is out of print but for those that have read it, Lost sure stinks of rip off.
Sounds like the same old conflict but disguised. Jack has his gang and Locke has his gang. So who prevails? Or do good and evil switch roles? Ho hum.
Don’t forget that Jacob said someone is coming to the island. I suppose that is Desmond’s cue to come sailing in and for that unfinished backstory of Hurley and Libby to be told in the altiverse.
Dude… Roger Zelazny… hello fellow dork. Nine Princes In Amber is one of my favorite books ever.
Food drop ? Wasn’t that because of some weird time anomaly thing when entering the island. Something that faraday was pointing out. Probably one of the Dharma shipments that entered at the wrong bearing or something.
Pretty much my point in saying “nothing happened”. I of course realize this statement is more generalized than what actually happened in the episode. I guess a more accurate statement would be “the time for questions is over” my sweet ass. It seems that just like the writers of this quagmire (giggity…) I am grasping for a coherent theme.
I think there is another classical parallel they are trying with Jack as well — Achilles sulking in his tent for most of “The Iliad” because Agamemnon or Menalus or someone stole his concubine, but at the end, Achilles finally gets over his whining, and comes out saves the day for Greeks, dragging Hector’s dead carcass all over the battlefield. Jack will soon come out his morose depression and do something heroic no doubt.
…his brakeless toyota… Nice!
WOW I have one of those too. A ‘77 Toyota pickup, still runs and has over 300,000 miles.
“…don’t take this personal nico…”
Not possible, as I am a pod-person.
Well if you wrote this episode all I can say is “duuuude.”
wtf. The show DOES NOT progress. Progression, by definition, would mean the plot advances, but it doesn’t. It morphs ridiculously to suit the writers’ whimsy. I’ve literally never experienced such awful, terrible writing. It doesn’t go anywhere. It’ll just end when the money’s up and pretty much anything goes til then. It’s actually unbelievable how bad this show is.
Did anyone else notice that in the enhanced episode the mirror reflections showed: 1- the temple where sun and jin got married, 2- the church for the funeral for Sawyer’s parents and 3- Jacks house as a child? wtf- the other two were from the times we saw Jacob first meet sun, jin and sawyer. Jack was met as an adult in the hospital….i
you’re reading too much into it. Jack’s house, Jin’s temple, Sawyer’s church…close enough. The point was Jacob wanted to show Jack that he was special, he has what it takes, he was destined for something big and to get him away from the temple before disaster struck
And that he’s a douche that throws hissy fits and breaks things
Right, he better buy another one god dammit. Don’t he know better then to break other peoples things. Spoiled little pissy bitch anyways…..
This episode wasn’t as bad as the last few, but still it was pointless. The best part had to be Sayid killing Dogen and then slicing up his boyfriend.
What a way to avoid providing more answers and explaining things – just kill everyone off so you get out of that jam. Though like with anything on lost i doubt those two are really dead.
Just re watched some of season 1. Very interesting scene in the “walkabout” episode with locke. He is in his cubicle at work and his idiot boss is raggin him. The interesting part that i never caught before is, the sound the calculator makes when locke uses it. It is the same sound as the smoke monster(check it out). The writers indeed knew way back then where they were heading with the locke/smokey story, and dropped just a tiny little tid bit….Not saying that this makes everything all honky dory, but just merely pointing out a small little thing i caught.
Highly doubt that the writers knew anything about where they were going with it in season 1! I used to believe that, but now I’m just too mad to think that they had any clue. Lets not forget, Jack was supposed to die in the second episode and Ben was just supposed to be a guest appearance, so NO they had no clue!
Apparently the actor who plays Sayid back in season 4 was saying the writers were making it up as they went along. I saw a link on a fan site (BTW, many ‘fans’ are pissed at tonight’s lack of answers episode) but am too lazy to look up the link. Tonight vindicates this theory well, I’d say.
i definitely think thats true, especially with the success of the first couple of seasons. this show should have legitimately been only 3 seasons tops. but it was making too much money.
writers increase the length of a piece of work by adding characters and make the have “meaningful” relationships.
now the show is a rat’s nest of convolutions that won’t be answered.
wow.. a smoke monster. while sublime in the first couple of season’s, i guess the shitty writers wanted to make it a bigger focus of the show.
ooo, that crazy smoke monster. i feel like a loser just typing smoke monst… wait a minute!!
I do think they had some idea as to end the show. Its they didn’t know what to do with the in between.
well thats at least more fair than to just outright say “they just pulled everything out of their asses”. because – I still don’t think thats true.
but you’re right. I think they knew where they wanted to end up (the whole alternate reality / what if thing) but they even admitted they didn’t know how to get there so they implemented time travel.
which was – apart from desmonds episodes in season 3 and 4 – still the worst part of the show.
episode was ok. nothing special, but in no way awful. the ending (awesome!) pretty much made up for some of the stuff that happened before. and come on, how can anyone not like keamy talking about some “good eggs”
I don’t think I could call the ending awesome. Locke’s army makes a nice visual, but why does this seemingly immortal, seemingly pure-evil being need an army? He can already kick everybody’s ass as a smoke monster, and in human form he can’t be killed, so what’s the point? And Jin in the closet doesn’t do anything for me either. It’s just the writers showing us for the umpteenth time that everybody has connections with each other in the alt-world. Nothing new here…
no I thought it was awesome because of the direction and the music.
Oh and btw I think he does in fact need an army or allies at least, because from what we can assume right now he can kick most peoples asses – but he couldn’t kill jacob on his own and I think the “rules” also don’t allow him to kill a candidate. So some trained killer like sayid might come in handy for locke and I think the recruiting isn’t all that pointless.
I’m having trouble with this whole “rules” concept. These “rules” are still fan speculation aren’t they? Or have I missed something?
And for the record, I still don’t think Jacob is really dead.
Yes. They are pretty much fan speculation. But if Locke was able to kill Jacob himself he would have done it. And I’m pretty sure the kid in lighthouse saying “you know the rules, you can’t kill him” plus Richard saying that Locke wants to kill the candidates (or something like that) meant that Locke can’t kill candidates (or people touched by Jacob?). You’re right. It is speculation. But there have been STRONG hints that Locke isn’t omnipotent.
I agree that this “rules” bullshit is just that. Step in it and its gonna stink. Plus its hard to wash off. I gather that there is some other supreme being who makes up these stupid rules. So here we go again. Got to bring in a new charactor to not give a shit about. He will probably have his little clique that follows him. Live, god only knows where, and probably have webbed feet. Who knows, answers my ass!!!!!
You know, by the way, it’s great that all the hate-driven, cursing trolls seem to have disappeared from the site.
I know we don’t agree, but at least one can have a discussion on this forum again without being called a faggot after every single post.
Nice.
We drove them away with the collective power of our awesome wills. Now, who wants to be the first to call me a faggot?
I always heard it to, be you are what you eat. So if the shoe fits I suggest you buy the other one too, or else your gonna look kinda funny walking around with just one shoe…..
Lag—you’re probably right about the rules. But it just gives me another reason to hate what Lost has become. Number 1, these rules can change (and often do change) for no rhyme or reason. Number 2, I don’t think I should have to keep detailed records of the show just to appreciate what is going on. A fleeting character makes a passing remark which implies that another character can’t kill YET ANOTHER character? Come on!! This show has so many loose ends and false leads that no casual viewer can just sit there and enjoy it. It’s absurd.
Here’s another example: I had no idea who that guy making eggs was. Reading stuff here, I realized that he must have popped up earlier. After digging around a little, I discovered that he was the douchebag mercenary from the ship. Do I care that he’s in the alt-timeline? Nope. Do I care that Lost has thrown so many characters around that I can’t even keep track of them anymore? Yes! They have made this show needlessly complicated because that’s all they really know how to do. This is the final season, and they’re STILL adding characters and mysteries!! Once again, it’s absurd!
Agreed on the absurdity, who cares how all the minor characters are connected to the main characters? And there are SSSOOOOOO MANY minor characters!
Disagreed on Martin Keamy’s minor return. Glad the character was offed again, cuz he was a bastard, but I <3 Kevin Durand.
Agreed, they had their bookends but no volumes inbetween. But the ineptitude of the writing beyond season one made it all a hideous joke, a sham, the long con. Who cares about the ending now?
As for the clickety-calculator – let me be the voice of cynicism. I think it is at least as likely that, when they needed a clickety sound for smokie, they went to the same sound fx file they did for office noises. Laziness is Lost’s most consistent trait
yea, this is what i think too.
Lol, I thought something similar… There is nothing I credit to these doped up writers.
I think the more likely scenario is that the sound effect team inadvertently recycled that sound effect for 2 different things.
Who am I to argue against the definiteness of math
Like jake sez
I just don’t know about you guys. I thought most of the questions were answered!!! Don’t rightly know which ones though. OK, well it was a little more action packed, I will say. Although thats not saying much. I can also say I like the new John not John alot more then the old Pussylockes he used to be. Again thats not saying much. Now, as for moving the story line, well thats was very shallow and almost nonexistent. All I seen was everybody at the temple either died or went into hiding. And Claire’s word is completely worthless. I am still waiting for that head on a stick!!!!! Maybe next week. Other then that it was still the same old bullshit of an overated soap opera comedy filled with nonessential, unnecessary, meaningless crap that they try to shove down our throats, but our stomachs just can’t quite digest it. I guess what I am saying is, if I had been trapped on some island for countless years and then all of the sudden I was able to leave it. I believe I would be tearing my ass to get the hell outta there and not give a rats ass about who was still there!!! Thats just me….. So now all we got was some more questions that will never be answered. Like who were all them people behind John not John?? So as usual I sit here in bewilderment wondering what the hell just happened. And wondering still, just what the hell happened to that show I watched a long time ago called LOST????? Because this shit I am watching may have the same name but it sure aint the same show!!!!!
“And Claire’s word is completely worthless. I am still waiting for that head on a stick!!!!!”
Some day, some day.
I love you!!!!!! Figuratively speaking that is…..
Don’t hold your breath. Their failsafe is to just have Kate kill off Claire. Kate goes back to being the mommy of the baby. There! That’s two answers the writers can easily knock off. Meaningless answers but answers nonetheless.
Sawyer wants to kill Jack because of Juliet. He snarls and swears. But that quickly morphs into I’ll let him live and suffer. Yikes!
Or Dogen banishes Sayid which quickly morphs 180 in less than 2 minutes because “things have suddenly changed”. Holy Frak!
Whatever happened to that “army” Jack wanted AnaLucia to build for him? Or a “war is coming”. Or “they’re coming”. Or now it’s “someone’s coming” to the island.
Oh man, no head on a stick? I hate this fucking show!!!!!
I’d love to know just what questions have been answered. As far as I could tell, very few of the original plot points or mysteries have even been addressed. And those that were addressed were basically just reintroduced, not explained…?
The only answers we really get are either A)silly and insignificant or B) themselves part of a larger mystery.
An example of A…Jack’s tatoos. Wow, Jack hooks up with a Thai hooker and she gives him tatoos then he gets his ass kicked. The creepy other lady with a voice lower than mine reads the Chinese script on Jack’s shoulder and Jack has a moment with her…
An example of B…For instance, we know WHO the others are. But we don’t know WHO the others are. Why are they protecting the island? Why are they loyal to Jacob? How long have they been there? Why do the all speak English (and why do some have American accents and some British ones)? How do they travel on and off the island when they didn’t have a submarine? Who has actually seen Jacob (before season 5 finale)? How much do they know about the monster?
I was being sarcastic. I really don’t think they are smart enough to give any real answers.
1. No one is being bothered that Kate doesn’t return with the the two dumb-fuck-others³ that where sent off with her to GUARD her or is atleast missing them she is allowed to wander through the temple like an old friend of the family!!!!
2. John lennon seems to have found his yoko in kate, as he’s obviously wax in her hands, ehm.. under her elbow.
3. Claire is on tour with lockie for the sole reason of getting her BAAYBEE back, but is now neither interested in the revelation that he is offisland nor mad at Lockie, who obviously did lie about the whereabouts of him, tricking her into following him. But conveniently – in contrast to every other single character – she is now OFFICIALLY insane! For the first time there’s a ‘real’ excuse! Congratulations, you writers!
4. Lennon instead of immediately alarming the remaining others³ having detected dragon emperor’s murder by sayid, he walks closely pass him and gives him a lecture of good behavior. How charming!
5. The others are officially the most low-IQed bunch of brain-stroke-patients ever to have appeared on TV:
a) Those masters of junglewarfare, those enlighted beings, those fighters for the highest and purest course in the universe (whatever this may be! WHO CARES ANYMORE?) are that terrified by nothing but the anouncement of their soon death by an entity (Whatever it may be! WHO CARES ANYMORE?) desperately trying to enter their happy temple (I mean: HELLOOO?!!? BLUFF????!!!) that their whole structure is falling apart within minutes!
b) Richard’s others from the foot of the statue (lets call them… The others4… others5? WHO CARES? Ok, let’s make it others4) are now willingly following the entity who just killed their former leader jacob, to whom they were loyal to the death (Thats of course just assuming that lockies gang awaiting claire and kate outside the temple are the others4, cause otherwise there is a new group of others: The others5)!!!
c) Ben’s new fantastic four (two of them others) seem also to be suddenly following Lockie, cause otherwise they most certainly would have told the others4 that Lockie killed jacob, and then why in the world should those follow Lockie?
d) obviously all the entire others (1-5?) were never fighting for a highest and purest course in the universe at all, as they are simply leaving their posts / defecting to lockie just because Jacob is dead / they are threatened with death (remember the black others1-chick begging mikail (or whatever) to shoot her, and him commiting harakiri with a granade? Seems pretty degenerated by now, hmm?!). But if there never was such a course, why would the stewardess and the other kidnapped tailies just join the others1/3 that whole-heartedly?
e)…
f)…
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5. Why is Sayid allowed to move freely??????????
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For you to go on
I think that the others 5 are the others who left the temple after Sayid made his announcement to leave and follow smokie not Locke or die in the temple.
That’s of course a possibility, but…
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1. then where are the others4? (wait! maybe the ‘Lockies’ are Others4+5
2. even then point ‘5.d)’ is still valid!
3. even then point ‘5.b)’ is still valid, just replace ‘richard’s others4′ with ‘temple-leaving others5′
4. WHY DOES A GHOST MAKE ROLLERCOASTER-BUGGY’S-BEING-DRAWN-UP-A-RAMP-SOUNDS?
Well, maybe he’s a ghosttrain-ride and the island is OKtoberfest.
If it was “OKtoberfest” there would be more Dharma (TM) beer.
No, the writers drank it all!
2) Why do they have to have an obligatory kate-beeting-up-a-man scene in every episode?
“1. No one is being bothered that Kate doesn’t return with the the two dumb-fuck-others³ that where sent off with her to GUARD her or is atleast missing them she is allowed to wander through the temple like an old friend of the family!!!!”
I hadn’t even noticed this idiocy.
John Lennon asked her about it, but there was no followup because Kate is such a badass. He could’ve asked her about it again when he was hauling her to the Silence of the Lambs pit, but the writers didn’t want to risk someone behaving normally.
How can you kill someone in the hot tub that brings people back to life?
Hmmm
I don’t think the puddle of life is working at this moment. I believe it has been compromised by something. I personally think that the person who was baptized in it right before Sayid must have took a leak in it and it needs to be treated with chlorine…..
Quite right!
It’s ‘The Toilette of Youth’
that’s why Richard always looks so ‘pissed’
It’s cloudy because just like the show, somebody pissed in the pool.
No, no. The Last Samurai is going to come back to life just like Sayid but just like Sayid this time around he’ll be EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEvil a la Pet Semetary.
*in ridiculous Maine accent*
“There’s a dead Samurai on the edge of my lawn. It might be your daughter’s.”
He’s going to come back with super human strength…or as a transformer.
Sammie the Samuri, his japanese and english subtitles; must have something to do with Godzilla?
Oh, no, there goes Tokyo…..
I’d rather have him come back as Gamera. A flying, fire-breathing turtle is just what this island needs.
This episode was pretty strange, so Sayid is crazy or evil or whatever now? I’m afraid that my favorite character is the smoke monster at this point.
I wish it could get out of the island and into the writers’ room
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Sayid’s alt-universe adventure looks a lot like back-story from Season 1 or 2. I would have cared about it then; now I don’t.
The only mystery I noticed being resovled was why that Dr. Fumanchu guy in the temple was always playing around with that baseball. Answer: the sad sack got rip roaring drunk and crashed his car, killing his son (who played baseball presumably). That was a really upbeat resolution.
Okay there is one thing I don’t understand about the alt-flash sideways, maybe I just haven’t been watching closely enough, but these scenes assume that the island blew up in 1977 and that there was a ripple effect that changed history — the main characters never crash on the island for instance. But I don’t get how that causes that Creamy guy to become a loan shark mobster, instead of joining the Marines in the 1990’s or whenever that was. I get that he would have never worked for Widmore, but are we supposed to believe that he did indeed serve in the Marine Corps then suddenly quit and organized a crime family? Or the island exploding had some indirect effect on the life of Creamy? I guess it’s possible, but it seems pretty unlikely. Maybe Sgt. Preeyvet can address the chances of that occurring.
Oh yeah, one other thing that caught my eye in the alt scenes, when Sayid ushered his niece and nephew onto the school bus, the school bus driver was Locke! I guess he must have that job for the school district when he’s not substitute teaching.
Dammit I must have been sleeping on that one. Special bus for crippled drivers eh???? Kinda doubt thats gonna happen in this economy!!!
Yeah clearly a monumental waste of money, but maybe Locke sued the school district under the Americans with Disabilities Act and they were forced to provide him with a specially outfitted bus.
People were going on and off the island after 1977 in the original timeline, thus affecting the rest of the world. Were any of the Lost actors born after 1977?
I think Hurley was, because I think he said something to this effect after plne two crashed and they went back in time. Don’t quote me on this though…..
Just re-watched that scene–definitely not Terry O’ Quinn driving the bus. Oh well. Would have been a nice touch though. Would’ve added something… something useless to the episode.
Oh well it was a good thought and something like they would have done. Actually I am suprised it wasn’t Bernard…..
Did you just demote Preeyvet? I thought he was a captain.
Woops yeah, I hope Preeyvet doesn’t read that, didn’t mean to take away his captain’s bars. I really should have deleted that entire paragraph, as I can already think of about 5 possible answers to my question, none of which are particularly satisfying, but, thinking back to the other alternative flashes, this question seems to come up multiple times, so they obviously have something else in mind.
Man WHERE ARE THE ANSWERS!!!!! These shows are starting to get boring. I was so excited this season to watch “the final season.” But so far I’m really disappointed.
I hope the next show at least answers some questions, cuz if they keep going on like this for another 4 espisodes, theres going to be a lot of fans angry and frustrated.
yup. at least it looks like the whole richard / black rock thing will be answered soon. thats one of the biggest mysteries I want to have an answer to.
there’s lots of stuff I’m okay with if I don’t really know.
but other things need to be resolved.
like the black rock, the smoke monster, richard, waaaaaaaaalt (and the other “special” people), ghost dad, the button and desmond. thats what i really want to know. the other stuff would still be frustrating if not answered but still not THAT important – they’re not going to answer much of the stuff anyway.
I think your only fooling yourself if you think that they are going to answer anything about Richard or the Blackrock or anything else for that matter. Sure they will give you some shitty story line of meaningless bullshit thats going to leave you with more questions then you started with. I am just being honest with ya here. You will see, it will be the same old shit LOST has been shoving down our throats for years now….. Same shit different LOST!!!!!!!!!!!
Depends on what you expect out of an “answer”. You have problems with the magical / fantasy approach that the show has taken this season, so if the answer to “why doesn’t richard age” is “jacob granted him eternal life from the fountain of youth”, I guess to you that’s a bullshit answer, and I completely understand why. But what did you expect out of someone who doesn’t age? I’ve always expected that to be some sort of magical thing, so I think I’m not going to be disappointed when it will be just that.
I’ve never taken the whole “everything on the show is grounded in real science” thing seriously and actually love the fantasy approach the show is taking. To me the smoke monster being a demi god who can mimic the dead seems more interesting and original than it being some nano machine thing.
It all boils down to if you accept “these things are supernatural / godlike / magical” or not.
It sure is cheap that the producers lead fans to believe that this is a sci fi show, when actually its just using sci fi elements triggered by fantasy devices. And maybe they actually didn’t know what the fuck they were doing so they used magic as a cop out.
But I’m ok with that. I just want to be entertained with the show (which I still am).
“I just want to be entertained with the show (which I still am)”
..but hopefully not the way, the writers intend you to be!?
I get what your saying. I guess I have been taking everything to literal. I guess you have convinced me, so I am a fanboy now…..NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You did make good points though, I guess…..
If its fantasy, why hasn’t Claire and Kate got it on yet?
Good question.
Actually it would be quite difficult to write a show for five years and never lapse into sensibility. Sayid did kill the glasses-wearing hippy Other, so that was OK. The last two minutes of last nights show went all Twin Peakish and then straight into Apocalypse Now.
I’m just glad to see John Hawkes get off this crapfest of a show. Yet another in a long string of great character actors who have been given shit to work with by the writers of Lost. Of course, I wouldn’t be shocked if he and Last Samurai weren’t really dead. For their sake, I certainly hope so.
Where is sawyer now when all this is happening. Did smoke/locke leave him in the cliff cave?
He’s off crying somewhere.
He is still back at that cave spanking the monkey because he broke the ladder when he was going down there. And he is thinking about Botox…..
Once again the Fuselage’s “didn’t love it” board has outpaced the “loved it” board – 3 to 2. The posters seem genuine, not long-time haters that are just piling on, There is a real sense of letdown and anger that i can sympathize with too well. It’s really good reading.
Last night’s ep? Well, I was doing dishes and thought, meh, put it on for background. It took a couple minutes for sayid to go sidewways. He got out of the car and knocked on a door. “Nadia” i thought. Nadia it was. I went into kitchen. Without even seeing, I heard them talk and went “.. and Nadia is married to someone else” and heard the confirmation..
I walked into the room and turned the show off. Any show i can write while doing dishes, I don’t need to watch.
I’ll admit, i still hope for a better resolution – how about island is a spaceship, smokey is nanobots, jacob was.. hmm, lemme think.. a cylon. yeah, that’s good.
“I walked into the room and turned the show off. Any show i can write while doing dishes, I don’t need to watch.”
AMEN….great comment. You are my hero (and obviously a thinking person, unlike anyone who appreciates this show).
It’s not just on Lost specific sites like the Fuselage. If you look at the comments on the AOL TV boards, even the troglodytes there have had enough.
Don’t give the writers any ideas…
Some people are saying that this episode was ok, or at least better than the last few, because it had a lot of action and “at least it was entertaining”. I dont get that at all. This is one of those “action packed” episodes that completely ignores/nullifies everything that has come before it. Contrary to the promos, these episodes are the true game changers. Because in a few quick strokes they allow the writers to start fresh, leaving all kinds of debris in their wake.
I think it gives the show too much credit to call what’s left “unanswered questions” or “mysteries”. They are just simply things that the show puts lots of importance on (regardless of whether it is interesting or mysterious) and then just drop. So its not that we particularly care about the answer, we’re just left wondering why the hell we just watched the last six episodes or half season or season.
I guess this is due to low expectations. I’m content with watching an Indiana Jones movie, but would love it if we were spared the lame fight scenes…such as Sayid vs. Iron Chef. Actually, Kate beating up any slew of men twice her size is enough for me to through my Dharma beer through the TV screen.
But you’re right about the abandoned storylines. They no longer have significance, and it appears the writers never intended on answering these “mysteries.” Remember when Ben vs. Widmore was the thing all the fans were talking about? Oh no, what are the rules? Why can’t Ben kill Widmore? Who put the plane on the bottom of the ocean? All have been erased, none have been answered so that we can now watch Smokey and Jacob’s strange game that we don’t even quite know the objective of yet.
Absolutely. For an entire season the show was all about these two competing international men of mystery, with Said and Ben trotting the globe Jason Borne style.
Then they just dropped it. Ok, were done with that – now we’re a time-travel show. Then after a season of that, ok – now we’re a wierd, pseudo-religious good v. evil show.
There is no possible way this show could ever make sense. Whatever final explanation they give, other than a wizard did it, will, first of all, undoubtedly be lame (i.e. ben kicked him off the island so he is really mad, or because they apparently had a menagerie on the island) but more importantly, will be inconsistent with about 100 different events that took place within the course of the show.
You know, that is a very good point. They never did explain why the hell Ben was having Sayid assassinate all those people or even who those people were. I assume that I was supposed to somehow glean that these people were “Others” that had left the island, but if they needed to be killed, why didn’t Ben kill them or have them killed BEFORE they left island? He controlled the only means of leaving the island (submarine) so it’s not like they had any means of escaping.
You’re mostly right, but the plane on the bottom of the ocean WAS answered in season 5. Widmore said “I put it there.”
But as someone obviously commited to the island enough to spend uncountable millions on such a decoy…
WHERE THE FUCK IS HE NOW?
It’s tupid, STUPID, STUUUPIIID!!!!
The biggest thing is WHY!!!! Why did he want to decieve the world. Now he could show up at any time now and have this explained but we are getting pretty far along in this the final season for much to do with him…..
During the season 2 exodus of viewers expecting sanity, Lost was vigorously defended by salon’s imbecilic Heather Havrilesky. Well into season 3 – when i stopped even looking at salon – she was still touting it as brilliant tv misunderstood by lazy people who wanted linear answers and a monster and just didn’t get the brilliance that was Lost.
Checked in on her, and she has learned well – retconning her reason to watch. She dumps all over the show, correctly, but still excuses herself for watching, and does not mention being suckered and wrong about ti for most of its’ run.
IT IS SO REWARDING to read stuff like this from people who, not too long ago, were convinced they were watching the greatest thing ever.. and have had the scales removed from their eyes:
“No, no, say the show’s die-hard fans, it all adds up to pure brilliance, with numbers and mirrors and alternate realities! But ask any actual screenwriter or fiction writer or seasoned storyteller, and he or she will agree: There is no glorious final answer that can justify pulling a deus ex machina out of your ass every other episode.”
Amen, bruthah.
I know the characters are pretty dumb, but they keep reaching new heights of stupidity.
SLocke says “we’ll get off this island!” and Sawyer follows him.
SLocke says “I’ll get you your baby” and Claire follows him.
SLocke says “You’ll get the one you lost” and Sayyid follows him.
Heck he doesn’t even say anything and Kate follows him :-p.
How come no one realizes what a poor deal they are making. You first get what you want and then give, not the other way around :-p.
ya, and the one guy Locke could’ve legitimately coaxed into joining his side (Ben) he just left on the beach.
Ben was the most stupid of them all.
SLocke – “Kill Jacob” and Ben doesn’t even ask for a deal, no “why” and simply does his bidding.
Even SLocke is tired of that guy
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I agree 100%. When I go to the store I get my things before I pay for them!!! Same difference. I wanna see my baby. I wanna see my wife. And I wish I could see Kates head on the end of a stick!!!!!
To comment on the whole lame-ass breakfast scene where Toothy offered Sayid some eggs. One poster earlier asked what was the point of that. I figured it out. It was the writers’ shitty attempt to mimic a Quentin Tarantino-esque scene – which they failed miserably at.
Exactly. That is one tasty burger!
Wow, you’re absolutely right!! How pathetic is that?!
Actually, I think they were trying to do “Goodfellas” by basing it in the restaurant, right down to the long tracking shot to get Sayid into the kitchen.
Still, pointless scene. Yes, we know Sayid agonizes over every life he’s forced to take because deep inside he wants to be a good guy but dammit, life just keeps putting these guys that say stuff like “yo brutha…he had a…a….accident” in front of him.
Plus it makes no sense whatsoever why Keamey is the head of a Middle Eastern organized crime ring. Homeland security needs to recruit him to infiltrate Al Qaida asap.
Yeah I thought it would turn out to be some Iraqi criminal who Sayid had interrogated in the past or something.
The whole point was simply to make the audience go “oh look, it’s Toothy McBadguy! It’s ALL CONNECTED!” and squirt in their pants with joy. Watching that annoying, walking cliche get all wet up was the best part of the episode (not saying much).
There’s nothing worse than bad symbolism
It is blasphemy to darken Tarantino’s name in connection with an episode of LOST.
Firstly, why bother giving that ridiculous story of Iron Chef Jr getting killed in an accident? Who cares. Also since when does a band geek pianist play baseball? We want to know how you had the power to stop Smock (Smoke-Lock). The ring of ash was broken when the Jacob’s others got to the old shack that allowed Smokie in before. Why didn’t Smock get Claire to kick away some of the ash and he could do his thing?
Eggs? Fried, Poached?… I was suprised that Iron Chef didn’t make an appearance in Kitchen Stadium. Easter is coming up – nice egg tie in writers. Perhaps the easter bunny is the grand puppetmaster of LOST.
There was an episode of Neighbours (a horrible Australian TV soap) that was entitled “Bouncer’s Dream”. The whole episode was, as the name suggests, a dream that Bouncer had. Bouncer was a dog. A golden Labrador to be exact. Coincidence?
If this show turns out to be a dog’s dream I may resort to violence to express my displeasure.
Even dogs would be offended if this crap fest was blamed on them.
I actually think that might be the only possible ending that makes sense…. or rather, the only ending that would excuse the senselessness…
Ok, that was funny.
“Why didn’t Smock get Claire to kick away some of the ash and he could do his thing? ”
-What about when smokie knocked a rock at that guy standing inside the circle? It’s not too much of a stretch for smokie to pick up a broom stick and sweep up the circle.
In “Angel Heart” eggs were symbolic of the human soul. But on the other hand, Gangsters in someone elses kitchen (with a Jap locked in the freezer) would hardy be whipping up Beef Stroganoff…
Eggs are symbolic of brunch…
Bouncer is actually Vincent in B-Universe!
Thirteen questions that were answered;
1. Can you tell if someone is bad by hooking them up to a torture machine?
-Yes, but in some countries you’ll want to call it an enhanced harsh interrogation machine.
2. How tight was security at the temple during a red alert?
-So tight Claire walked in through an unlocked door before she was seen and gun-cocked.
3. Was Claire hotter as an angel than she is as a devil?
-Yes.
4. What do you do if someone comes at you with a sacred flowerpot dagger?
-Say something before they stab you and you’ll be okay. Unless you’re Lennon.
5. Is Claire mad at Kate?
-Yes, she’s going to kill her. Or maybe not.
6. Why would fLocke’s ultimatum mean more coming from Sayid than from Claire?
-Uhhhmmm… better make that twelve questions that were answered.
6. Does bad CGI kill important characters?
-No.
7. If you get your kid temporarily killed by DWI, should you ever murder anyone?
-No, it would be wrong.
8. But can you try to get someone else to murder the person you want dead?
-Sure.
9. Did Sayid ever get his kid temporarily killed by DWI?
-No.
10. Why did they ever put Kato and Lennon on the show, anyway?
-Uhhhmmm… let’s make that eleven questions.
10. Why is fLocke letting Kate tag along with Team Evil?
-He likes the way she slings a rifle.
11. What was the deepest part of this episode?
-Claire’s cleavage. Boom.
Fucking hilarious.
12. How do you convince someone who thinks you’re evil that you’re not evil?
- By killing a random person of their choosing.
Or by saying you can get anything and everything (like SLocke says to Sayyid
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Answer to question 8 is “easy peacy”. If the character is “positive”, use “You have what it takes” and if negative use “If you still have some good in you then do this”
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Question 13.
How can you be sure NOT TO BE put under 24hr a day FBI surveillance?
-Belong to a family of recent Iraqi immigrants, one of whom was an intelligence agent and torturer for Saddam Hussein’s Republican Guard.
I mean C’mon! That family has sleeper cell written all over it!
14. What show is the biggest suckfest on TV??
I will give you three guesses and the first two dpn’t count…..
This episode highlighted my own pet theory about Lost that centered around Mr. Goku’s baseball. Goku is lying about killing his son in a booze induced joy ride. In actuality, that baseball is a momento from Red Sox legend Ted Williams’ famous home run off of Rip Sewell’s notorious “eephus pitch” hit during the 1946 All Star Game. Under this theory, Mr. Goku (a rabid Sox fan like everyone on the show, except for Jack’s son, who chose the Dodgers to spite daddy) cherished the ball with religious adoration, using it frequently to summon Ted Williams’ cryogenically preserved head from a labrotory in Arizona. The “Ted Head” would have been the real power on the island, using its mystical powers to attempt to break the so called “Curse of the Babe” which prevented the Red Sox from winning the World Series after they traded the Bambino to the Yankees after winning the 1917 series. Finally, Ted Head conveived a diabolical plot to cause the Oceanic Flight to crash on the island in 2004, unleashing a chain of events that would ultimately result in the Sox coming back from 3-0 down in the ALCS, then sweeping the Cardinals in the fall classic. Remember when Ben showed Jack a video of the Red Sox winning it all? That’s what the whole thing is about. Unfortunately, in the final episode (which I have learned through confidential sources will be entitled “Dead Ted Head Goes to Bed”), certain characters on the island (most likely Ben, Eloise, Widmore, Farraday, et. al.) have learned that the Red Sox are not supposed to win the World Series afterall, that the Earth (and in fact the entire universe) would be thrown into chaos and disorder if that ever happened, hell the USA might even elect a black president and Tiger Woods could start sleeping with porn stars and cheap waitress floozies. It will be revealed that Ted Head secretly orchestrated the entire causal time line being changed to faciliate the Red Sox being able to “reverse the curse”. The last scene depicts the various Losties overpowering guards to break into Ted Head’s inner sanctum, taking Ted Head out to a Field of Dreams set on the island, complete with corn fields and James Earl Jones, and organizing an impropmtu game. When Ted Head finally exlodes after a particularly fierce line drive hit by Joe Dimaggio, everything is put back the way it was, the Sox never win the series, and the correct time line is restored, Ron Paul is president and Curt Schilling is found dead from choking on a fake bloody sock.
LOL, once again, the writers should be coming to US for better ideas than they have had in years.
I have to admit that your story is definitely better than what they will come up with…..
I don’t really like baseball and many non-Americans might not.. So why not make it a basketball? The basketball was trapped by Jacob in the form of a baseball
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“Ron Paul is president and Curt Schilling is found dead from choking on a fake bloody sock.”
What a chilling vision you have conjured. I fudged my undies when I read this sentence.
What is a fake sock?
The blood is fake, not the sock. I feel funny correcting my alter-ego’s, alter ego. It’s kind of like the other, other, other’s…
So I guess Nico Toscani is Tommyj6168’s alter ego eh? Does that mean that they are related?????
No I’m the original Nico Toscani, but that is clearly an alter-ego of the real me. Nico Spaghettio is Nico Toscani’s alter-ego/evil twin/clone. Let us also not forget that Nico Toscani is actually an alter-ego of sorts of the great (by great, I mean great at sucking) Steven Seagal. Man, this makes my brain hurt almost as bad as watching Lost.
Love it.
11. What was the deepest part of this episode?
-Claire’s cleavage.
I can’t wait for Claire to say, “Hey stop looking down there. I’m up here.”
Ummm… actually you’re not. You’re crazy. Your boobs are the only sane thing about you.
12. How do you convince someone who thinks you’re evil that you’re not evil?
- By killing a random person of their choosing.
So this week in flash sideways we get to see Keamy (Keamey? Kimi?) frying an egg and eating it. Next week we’ll get to see Richard Alpert buying a frappucino from Starbucks, getting on the bus to go to work, picking his nose, and then rolling the booger between his forefinger and thumb as the bus goes by Hurley’s chicken restaurant. Before he can get off the bus, Charles Widmore and Michael will get into a fist fight when Charles asks Micheal to spitshine his shoes. Michael will suffer the worst of it and stagger back to the back of bus saying “get an ambalance – I’m leakin’”. The week after that, we will flash sideways to Walt in class – suddenly, he gets an erection and the bell rings. As the dramatic music rises to a crescendo, Walt knowingly looks at his history book and puts it in front of his groin so he can get up and go his next class.
BOOOOOM
I’m laughing so hard I think I peed a little. You definitely need the dramatic music to highlight Walt’s boner. WHOO-EEEE!
i like the way you ripped off epic beard man and amber lamps to write your story. kinda like the lost writers would have done.
The fight scene was somewhat enjoyable.
Oooh, the baseball falls down; major plot twist!
Of course, why the temple-Others didn’t jut kill Sayid will never be explained. Nor why Claire couldn’t just sweep some ash away for smokie not Locke to pass.
Or why the hell they was there in the first place…..
I just have a few questions about this epi.
Did Sayid blame it on “The Catcher in the Rye” when he killed John Lennon?
Anyone else surprised not to see Miles involved in the Kung Fu battle?
Has Hurley eaten Jack yet?
Is Sayid’s brother’s new shop a “fertiliser factory”?
Anyone else expect to see Jack Bower bust into take Sayid brother for interrogation?
It seems apparent that the producers, writers, editors and any body else affiliated with this show, obviously sit around at the table before they begin writing and smoke a big bowl of them Hawaiian buds. This would explain a lot of the things that happen on the show. For example the not completing a plot angle. I would relate this to short term memory loss. The list could go on for days, but I think you catch my drift here. I spent a couple of years over there when I was a lot younger, and all I can say is that them there buds were mighty tasty…..
I submit that even the best weed I have ever encountered can’t make someone stupid enough to be proud of writing this crap.
I would beg to differ…
I think they’re huffing glue.
Or maybe gas, or paint, or all the above. Its your free will to choose…..
“Come with me!”
“I thought you wanted me to leave.”
“Things have changed. The baseball is back on my desk.”
“You said that there is still good in your soul. Then prove it by murdering someone.”
I’m starting to like Miles. He’s like a disenfranchised viewer trapped on the island.
He’s actually a much better actor than most of the others (especially Kate)
They have used that device WAY too many times. I seem to remember Sawyer (I think) saying something along the lines of “who the hell are you/they?” about the other, others. Obviously mirroring the attitude of the audience. It was kind of amusing the first time or two. Now it’s just insulting, infuriating and uncalled for.
“Who the hell are you/they?” represented the interested, curious audience of the first seasons. Miles doesn’t really seem to care about what’s going on and somehow cynically sums up events when new people come in and ask him what’s been going on.
Wait who was sent to do the temple-Others dirty work before Sayid, with Sayid’s knowledge?
Sorry, please explain..?
Smokie not Locke asks Sayid if the temple-Other’s boss has sent other people to do his dirty work before, to which Sayid replies in the affirmative.
Well, I guess sayid’s referring to death-pill-Jack.
Oh yeah.
Ah the flashback to the alternate timeline seems to be getting interesting as the black SUV approaches.
I like this version of Keamy
I don’t. I hate the guy that plays him. He sucks major ass. That’s why he only shows up in shit like Smokin’ Aces and Legion.
I don’t know Smokin’ Aces or Legion, but he was in an episode of Stargate SG-1 as the Aztec (I think) god Zipacna.
And i believe to remember he was a henchman in ‘Walking tall’ watching his car getting demolished as interrogation technique?
No offense to fans of SG-1 or Walking Tall, but thanks for proving my point for me.
I hated Walking Tall. I never watched SG-1 extremely regularly, and stopped watching completely after season 5 or so.
Kevin Durand is the shit. I have seen all his work mentioned here. He has been the highlight of this season so far (except his character’s appearance made absolutely no sense, but that’s par for the course).
“He wants to see you”
“Who wants to see me?”
“You know who”
“What man?”
“For years he has been trapped…”
“Hello Sayid?”
*stab*
“What are you”
“Well Sayid you seem to have some idea about that”
DUDE TELL ME HIS NAME!!! I have no fucking idea. How many god damn episodes can you keep this up?
Why do the losties keep going into the Last Sumurai’s room? Is there no security in that temple? We get a backstory about Sayid’s brother that no one gives a shit about. Minor actors like Miles and Claire point out that they are actually better actors than the main ones. An island probably the size of New Jersey, and Kate still manages to run into everyone in the jungle. Kate finally proves that even if an episode is not kate centric, she can still fuck it up. She man handles Lennon, then at the end of the episodes they hike up her already short sleeves to make it obvious she’s going to be the next rambo, in case anyone was too retarded to pick up on that.
Heh, they also totally grab her by the boobs.
Lost is a ponzi scheme –
- In a ponzi scheme they partially pay old investors with new investors’ money
- In Lost they answer old questions by giving you an unsatisfying answer which only raises ten new ones. They also constantly add new characters in order to delay answering questinos regarding old ones.
- In a ponzi scheme, they promise you great reward down the road
- In Lost they promise that the solution will make it all worth it.
- In a ponzi scheme the scammers often tell their victims that they have a secret formula, or a secret plan or a secret scientific intuition etc. that will guarantee a fantastic return to their investments, but of course they cannot reveal what it is, and you must trust them that they know what they’re doing.
- In Lost, They say they’ve got all of it planned, but of course must keep the secret close to their chests.
- In a Ponzi scheme, when the influx of new investors cannot possibly sustain the monetary demands from the old ones, and the old invesotrs clamor for their money, the pyramid collapses and the investors lose their money.
- In Lost, after the number of questions, mysteries, flashbacks, characters, timelines etc, increases beyond a certain point, annoyed viewers demand to be told what it’s all about, at which point the writers manage to eke out few more years of viewership by setting an end-date, but still at the end no meaningful answers will be given and it’ll all collapse.
But there is one difference:
- In a Ponzi scheme, after it ends, all the investors know they’ve been had.
- In Lost there will be many holdouts who will insist that it was a good investment of their time.
Positively brilliant analysis Jelson. I salute you!
I believe you have hit the Jacob right on the head. They just killed Jacob!!!!!! YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a Ponzi Scheme all of the instigators eventually go to jail. Can we get the writers of LOST a little time behind bars?
As the US didn’t join the ICC, I doubt it!
Forget Dafur, send blue helmets into the writers office!
A Ponzi scheme is built around the idea that certain percentages on return of capital are vital to what makes it such a fantastic investment. The percentages (numbers) are laid out clearly, but the timeline on when these numbers are going to pay off is always a bit fuzzy. For the hardcore believers, sometimes years will go by and these very “meaningful” numbers they have been promised still amount to nothing, but they hold out hope that these numbers will be the key to everything important in the universe, long after their more savvy neighbors have realized all of these numbers are just bunk, don’t mean anything, and will never pay off.
Ian McEwan once wrote that “when anything is possible, nothing really matters.”
For me, this is one of the biggest problems with this mess. Shortstop’s Dad died in the in-ground pond? Oh well, I’m sure he’ll be back. Ben Linus (who turns out to have been a 5 year red-herring who knew nothing of Jacob or his plan) is going to get killed in EP 6? Hmmm, so I wonder if he will be re-incarnated in EP 7 or EP 8? Sayid has been infected by evil? Cool, I’m sure he’ll walk it off before too long. I’m getting a little pissed with my favorite character Charlie: 1. because he is such a slacker he hasn’t figured a way to resuscitate himself for 3 years and 2. because his character on FlashForward is actually more pointless than most of the new Lost characters.
Poor Jeff Fahey. He has no character, no story arc, no motivation, no script directions other than to run around and look confused, and when he bursts onto the scene (inexplicably) his first legitimate line of the season is to tell them that it isn’t important to ask where the F@#$ these people have been and how the F#@%# they got here.
Won’t it just be CRAZY if we find out that in some alternate timeline, Sayid really, really likes eggs? I think that would be the highlight of the season for me.
Ya I kinda feel bad for Lepidus, but that’s what happens when you have a thousand characters, most are bound to have small roles.
Lost definitely doesn’t suck at sucking.
Seems they’re perfecting the suck this season.
Striving for Total Suck and right on track.
Christ, there’s even cheesy kung-fu fighting now. Oh brother…
Almost 5 and a half seasons and we have not been able to enjoy a single element of the plot within its greater context. Yeah, that’s great storytelling. BRAVO! Wish I was paid millions to jerk people around.
On the island, it seemed like people were just going back and forth between the temple. Claire shows up, Sayid leaves, only to return again. Kate shows up, even though she said she wasn’t going anywhere near the temple. Then IIlana and the others show up. Really?
It’s like a Three’s Company episode. Borderline ridiculous.
The ALT is going nowhere fast! and we still have other character”s ALT lives to sit through.
I don’t think I can really wait until the finale to find out what (if anything) the flash sideways have to do with the show.
Sad that they’re willing to waste one of the few remaining hours like that.
This week’s Flash Sideways cameo: the soldier guy who shot Ben’s daughter. In the Alt Timeline, soldier guy is a loan shark and he’s also apparently practicing for Top Chef. Oh, and Jin’s tied up in a closet.
Oh, and if you need to avoid the Smoke Monster, jump in a hole. Apparently it can’t look down.
Why has so much time been devoted to the concept that ash=safety when it doesn’t?
This alt timeline thingie is such a boring affair.
Who is in the kitchen – oh Keamy…ok.
Who is tied up – oh Jin….hmmm.
It now almost nauseating to point out all the dumb things this supposedly “intelligent” show repeatedly keeps on doing.
After all these years, I am suddenly and abruptly uninvested in the characters. I mean, I don’t even KNOW them anymore. I hate to hear that music that says we’re going sideways again. Who cares about sideways anymore?
Temple guards letting people come and go one second and then stopping them at gun point the next is absurd.
It’s time they introduced a laugh track.
I tell you what I rgink the laughtrack is a great idea. Sure as hell be better then them annoying violins.
A laugh track? ok.
I think a narrator would be better. Like the narrator on the ‘Dukes of Hazard’ show.
“Well, looks like Sayid and his boys have got themselves into it again! Had to murder a little Japanese fella and a goddamn hippie in a hot tub. Let’s hope Ol’ Boss Locke has a good plan or the boys may find themselves in trouble….again!”
Put Kate in some really short, tight jean cut-offs and we gots ourselves a real show! Some kind of motor vehicle jumping over something every episode would be really nice too.
Boom!
You know, except for Asian dude, why are all the people in the temple dressed like hippies? When Sayid wandered over and made his big speech on the front lawn, everybody looked like refugees from Woodstock. You even had dirty, greasy moms holding their dirty, greasy children. Are those Dharma clothes? Does Dharma even exist anymore?
We were led to believe the nuclear-winter-survivers-clothes were only disguise. That’s not necessary anymore, so why still wearing it?
Oh yeah, better camouflage in the jungle! But this won’t help the new brain-damaged others-version very much! Just Leave it and wash your pants.
Now what is the story with ole John not John not being able to shape shift? Just because Illona says so? How the hell does she know? Is she clairvoyant or what? I guess on her little trip to the island Jacob sat down and had a regular rap session from hell with her. Also where the hell is that little chicken shit Richard at? He should have been the first one to get to the temple. I wonder if he is out in the jungle running around in circles crying “oh god what am I gonna do now” like the old John Locke would have done. Maybe he is hiding behind a bush whimpering like a whipped pup…..
The geography is all off. Kate catches up with Sawyer and makes it back to the temple in time, but Richard can’t?
“Now what is the story with ole John not John not being able to shape shift? Just because Illona says so? How the hell does she know? Is she clairvoyant or what? ”
Because it was the rule…in that particular episode.
Anyone remember how creamy was killed on the island by smoke monster when Ben unleashed the smoke monster by hitting a switch in his Darma house? How did they build that switch and how come smokie back then came out when called? Anyway, just thought about that in regards to this season. Seems weird now that Smokie is not some security system and actually is an entity with free will.
An entity with will, not “free will”.
It didn’t make sense in season 4 either. Smokie is an enemy of Jacob and therefore the Others under his command, which included Ben. The Others also used the sonic fence to protect themselves from him. And yet he served Ben, when he needed it.
Well you see, of course Smokie already new even back then how IMPORTANT Ben would become in the future, helping in his plan to kill that 3rdclass Tom-Waits-mug aka Jacob, so he saved him from the mercenaries!
Don’t forget:
“IT’S ALL BEEN PLANNED, WUUHAHAHAH!”
Definitely. What else will never be explained is why Illona’s team and Ben didn’t team up at the start, and who those other 2nd crash survivors were who were killed.
I think Ben killed Screamy down in the bottom of the orchid station. In all fairness I think Smokie just fucked em up but didn’t actually kill anybody. I don’t know but I don’t think you can classify pulling the plug in an underground pisser as a switch. Could be I suppose…..
I don’t remember exactly, but did remember Ben calling it. How the hell did they survive it? This whole show is so fucked up, I can’t keep up with it anymore. Also remember that scene where Ben had to be tested down in the tempe by facing it? Why did they believe that it would only kill people that were not good? Remember that?
Yes, and where was them other, others from another mother at that time…..
Exactly!!! Even Jin went there with the Frenchies. Ben knew about the temple but the others didn’t know about the less agile pussy others living in the temple? Yeah the Lost writers really ran out of steam a long time ago. They are really just throwing stinky shit at the wall and seeing what sticks this last season. I wonder how many lost fan boys out there have tats of the lotto numbers on them? I am betting some goofball did it.
I’m sure your probably right.
I think a narrator would be better. Like the narrator on the ‘Dukes of Hazard’ show.
“Well, looks like Sayid and his boys have got themselves into it again! Had to murder a little Japanese fella and a goddamn hippie in a hot tub. Let’s hope Ol’ Boss Locke has a good plan or the boys may find themselves in trouble….again!”
Put Kate in some really short, tight jean cut-offs and we gots ourselves a real show! Some kind of motor vehicle jumping over something every episode would be really nice too.
Boom!
Oh man, this has me laughing so hard now. Yea, and sawyer could be ‘Cooter’ the redneck beer guzzlin tow truck driver type.
Shakespeare used a narrator at times in his plays or had an actor do a soliloquy to explain the upcoming difficult bits for the audience. But alas… Lost doth not be in the same league as the Bard of Avalon. Perish that thought. Girdle thy loins. Nary the lightbulbs that pop like balloons upon the withered crowns of the writers.
But I do see one of those Walmart door greeters as a step in the right direction for Lost. “Welcome to Lost. Today we have a special on Answers in the women’s hygiene aisle.”
Remember he said he was the new sherrif in town!!!!!
Man, i just dont care about any of these stories or characters they are shoving at us. I just dont care!
Im sure next week we will be introduced to all new characters and story lines about people who guard the islands very secret and mysterious 15 story library, that no one ever noticed before. Inside we will be greeted by pale skinned nerdy type guards who must protect the islands sacred dippy egg….. We then will be transported to a flash sideways of the eggs past history. We will discover the egg was actually to be hatched by a hen who was owned by that old man farmer in australia who ratted out Kate to the Marshall. We see Jacob in the coop touching the egg(We question this action, What could this mean?) After the flash scene ends we are transported back to the islands library of mystery, where we are being indulged to an intense fight scene between the library’s geek ninja guards and Hurley who is very hungry and sees the sacred dippy egg. We discover that Hurley is actually a black belt in the martial arts, and is performing matrix style 360 degree round kicks while hovering in the air. Hurley kills the library guards, and starts walking towards the sacred dippy egg. The music is getting faster and faster, and BOOM! lost
That is a fantastic recap, particularly the part about Jacob meaninglessly touching the egg so that apologists can obsess over its deep meaning.
Very, very sadly, your synopsis is entirely plausible as the next installment, and if there isn’t a MASSIVE library somewhere on that island it would be more shocking than the next 15 “deaths.”
ok let me get this straight. a guy who hates lost watched it for 6 years (wtf), cant come up with valid reasons for why he thinks it sucks anymore, instead randomly quotes the show. ok if your wife forces you to watch this show you loath, have you ever thought you were whipped behind belief? sounds like underlying marriage problems. will you get a divorce on the finale? the show answeres questions and raises answers like it always does. if it answered all your questions the show would just, not exist. it is lost. but i suppose you would rather be intrigued by the fascinating jokes of three and a half men. i cant comprehend this, he has posts back from season freakin 2! why????? i hate tons of shows, i dont blog about them for 6 years, dear god… thats insane
LOL….What you dont get is no one is taking this seriously. Its a joke, funny. Do you really beleive anyone commenting on here is that serious, its something fun to do.
It really is fun – I’m a fan of the show and even I keep coming back here after every episode. I don’t agree with most of the posts here, but most of them are so entertaining and/or hilarious that I can’t help but laugh.
And the hater trolls have mostly disappeared.
Why don’t you agree?
To what exactly don’t you agree?
Esau is right, we’re horrible people but you have to forgive us, we have daddy issues.
TOTALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We watch the show and then we come here to have some fun.
Notice we watch the show and have a good time. Just read the posts again.
You on the other hand sound like a miserable bastard trying to find some joy in the show but you can’t so you come here and project your sad frustration on us.
“the show answeres questions and raises answers like it always does.”:
1. It answers question with new questions, and raises questions without any ‘answer’ to be given.
2. That is the problem. It’s the last season!!!
It should start to just give answers.
“if it answered all your questions the show would just, not exist.”
1. Correctly you should say:
‘”if it answered all your questions the show would end” and that is exactly what it is ’supposed’ to do in, let’s see… about ten episodes! But ok, let it go on forever, like you suggest!
or
“If it had never set up any mysteries or raised questions, the sow would just, not exist” Good observation. So what…??!!
OH, I GET IT! I GET IT! ESAU IS THE TWIN OF JACOB IN GENESIS IN THE BIBLE! I GET IT!
Okay, so when I added up the number of words in your comment they added up to 143, which is more than 108, so we can assume that Jacob’s brother is 143-108=35! And 4+8+23 = 35! Okay, now we are really getting somewhere… 4=Locke, 8=Hugo, and 23= Shepherd! OH MY GOD. Esau, the fraternal twin of Jacob in the bible is equal to Locke, Hugo, and Jack and that means that Esau is part smoke monster! OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!
You nailed it!!!
Do u mean Two and a Half Men?
That fat kid is so old now, they should change the title to Three Men.
Well I am unemployed and have been for almost a year now, I have blockage in the artety in my neck so I feel like shit a lot of the time, and I gotta sit on my hands because everything costs so damb much anymore. So ya I really have nothing better to do!!!!!
I’m confused.
In retrospect, “Gilligans Island” didnt make a hell of a lot of sense either…
For instance a pedal pwered bicycle style electrical generator made from bamboo and cocoanuts. Macgiver was retarded compared to the Proffessor…
Or when Gilligan ate a pudding that made him glow in the dark…
And the Mythbusters proved you can’t receive radio stations on your fillings.
I made this comment earlier, but it’s probably buried too deeply to be discoverable and I’m just wondering if anyone who haunts the Fuselage or any other fans sites has seen this seemingly gigantic plot hole rationalized by Lost’s creative staff.
If the ash can keep the smoke monster out, doesn’t it also stand to reason the ash can be used to keep the smoke monster IN? Why the fuck don’t they just draw a giant circle of ash around the general location of the smoke monster and then make it progressively smaller and smaller by increasing the width of the ash ring? Sure, he could throw shit at them but he’d eventually run out of shit to throw.
Smoke monster trapped in a prison of ash, problem solved, no need to hide in the temple, no need for Jacob to worry, everything on the island is a-okay.
OR DOES THAT MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE?
WAY too much sense. You’ll never write for TV.
LOL I am in tears
Yes, i agree with you, it makes perfect sense. Smoke problem solved. Then once hes trapped you can get ash dipped arrows , bullets, knives, and have at it till well done.
I guess the darma intitive spent millions on there high tech fence to keep smoky out, when all they ever needed was a little bit of ash. to me, that whole ash thing is ridiculous, it dumbs down a once good story.
And back to the Dharma sonic fence designed to keep Smokey out – despite having a security force and a jail, not one of these geniuses – including SAWYER – ever sat down and said, “hey guys. If the fence keeps the smoke monster out, how about we build a smaller sonic fence, get the smoke monster in the middle of it, and turn it on? He’d be trapped, it’d be a jail for him, we wouldn’t need to worry about him any more!”
Correct!
As long as you use the ash to restrain smokie inside an area instead of keeping him from entering one, the writers could easily say ‘That’s not how it works. It’s against THE RULES. Period!’ cause it’s MAGIC.
But if you use the fence for your plan, the writers will be trapped themselves, as the rules are the laws of physics the fence’s technology is based on (which has already been proven to be effective). So there would be nothing for them to twist around anymore by redefining THE RULES, cause it’s science.
We got them, folks!
This the most common-sense logical solution to the smoke monster problem. However, therein lies the fallacy of your solution I.e., it is the most common-sense logical response to the smoke monster problem. The genius Harvard-grad Hollywood writers will never think of it.
That is something I like about SG1 (only coming back to it as it has been mentioned somewhere above): Sometimes the writers came up with an extremely complex, clever and logical way to solve a problem by using and combining various different techniques and ’scientific’ rules or gadgets from throughout the series but always in a coherent way according and true to their original working mechanisms introduced earlier (e.g. episode 10.03, for the interested
). Something way out of Abrams, Darltons etc league.
I’m guessing it’s already in the script.
You give them to much credit. Well no matter what I am on the side of the smoke monster. He can kick some ass!!!!!
And if they were getting fucked up by the smoke monster so bad that they needed to build a sonic fence across the entire island, how the hell did they have time to build it wihout him just killing them during construction. Especially since it was built in the seventies by about 15 whiney dumbasses driving VW buses.
Not to mention the fact that a ring of ash only exists in two dimensions, yet the Smoke Monster is a three dimenstional being. What, the ash forms a cylindrical force field that extends up and down into space across the entire universe that he can’t go past? I guess the Smoke Monster is a mime and gets stuck in an invisible tube instead of an invisible box.
But I do agree with everyone elses comments. The writers have created the internal consistency of their world, and they have decided that it’s completely inconsistent and any time a plot hole is raised to them they just attribute it on the fact that the island is MAGIC and the audience is dumb for not knowing that.
Let’s see, I predicted:
2 (two) jungle treks, at least 10 (ten) gun cocks, and a minimum 1 (one) long stare
Think we got at least 4 jungle treks, too many gun cocks to count, and I think we got the stare from the Iron Chef (like that nickname BTW). The real reason they couldn’t show us a preview? Because the episode could have been boiled down to 30 seconds. What a waste of an hour, Sayid kills Keamy and finds Jin (implications are Sun’s dad is in with Keamy? whatever). Sayid sees jack in the hospital (though he just walks by), ooooooohhhh! I am at a loss to even critique this as I think this is the worst episode since they killed off Niki & Paulo.
I can’t even think of anything redeeming except there was only a cameo by Jack. And next week’s tease that Ben will die? Should have died a long time ago when we knew him as Henry Gale, which, BTW is another strange mystery that has been forgotten. Again, this is Lost 5.5, and the only answers we’re going to get is stuff from Lost 4.0 or later (Season 3 on). Whatever it was that drew me to the show is long gone and it’s the new version we’re working off of.
CPT Preevyet on duty in Georgia
Henry Gale! That was actually a mystery I hoped would be answered. Who was he really and how did he really die?
They’re not answering questions about early mysteries like that but they introduce a NEW mystery this season (why does Iron Chef have the fascination with the baseball) then they answer it a couple of episodes later! Ok the answer was lame but it was an answer.
Not only was the answer lame, but having dude just flat out explain it was the lamest thing possible. It’s too bad that TV isn’t a visual medium, or they may have been able to give us more than the audiobook version of his son’s death.
Maybe they can incorporate this poolside storytime in each of the last 10 episodes, in which one character gives a long, boring monologue to explain something in a manner so unsatisfying that we almost forget for a minute what a poor answer it is to the original question. Then, within seconds of the story ending, one of the Oceanic 6 can attack and kill the storyteller.
BOOM. Lost.
I agree, it’s the dramatic equivalent to the offscreen telephone call. However, they already showed the Iron Chef has a super boring life in the flash sideways universe and they’re not doing flashbacks this season. Therefore, the soliloquy is the only way to “dramatize” (and I use the term loosely) the reason for the baseball.
I think that instead of a baseball as a lame plot device they should have given him a tricycle. At least they could have built a ramp out of priceless ancient Egyptian artifacts and taken some sweet jumps with it into the fountain of youth.
Well dammit all to hell anyways. I am so mad I could spit nails!!!! Not really but it sounded good. Yesturday I was trolling the fuselage like I sometimes do. There is this thread called creepiest ending ever. I was checking it out and it looked like a bunch of little 12 year olds posting OMG Claire singing was so scarry and some other shit about it being the best ending that they ever seen!!!!! What a crock!!!!! Well I couldn’t help myself, I felt I had to set them straight. I said I thought it was weak, shallow, lazy and just piss poor writing all around. Went on to say that just because their opinions differed from mine don’t make them right!!!!! So much for my opinion I guess. Went to see what kind of shit I was gonna get over that statement but instead the bastards gave me the boot. Well I been kicked outta better places than that before so them cock suckers can “SUCK MY FUCKEN ASS YOU FANBOY BASTURDS!” Thats tellen em eh?????
Ya I almost got kicked out of the facebook group for anti-lost comments. It works better if you organize it so u and a bunch of your mates blitz the forum at the same time.
You can write negative stuff in the “Didn’t love it” section of the Fuselage, but other than that, you have to play kiss-ass with the brilliance of the creators and writers.
I hate how all characters have went from survival bunch with somewhat strange background into total garbage.
I mean, seeing for example – Hurley until season 3 or so was interesting. He was a character, millionaire, lucky and stuff.
Now, after ALL they’ve gone through, seeing him makes me cringe. He still has that dumb look on his face and zero interest what’s going on. Same for almost every other character- no-one is looking for answers anymore, having own agenda, trying to figure out anything, basically nothing.
Bunch of losties have been in the Temple for several days now. What did they do? Some went wandering for no reason whatsoever, some just sat around like zombies doing nothing… I fail to see any logic behind characters (or their actions) anymore. It’s like watching trees in the forest.
Although Hurley is a fat fuck and he deserves to be slapped around, I think he is one of the only normal characters left. When Jacob tells him to take a terminal Sayid to a random temple by alluding to it to Jin, he actually asks questions like ‘why’, ‘where’, ‘how’; whereas Jack would scream ‘What do you want from me? *smash*’. And Miles at least told Sayid that he was dead for 2 hours…as in DEAD. Whereas Jack et. al. seem to find it completely normal to socialize with a zombie.
It was only one day, dude… It hasn’t been night since LA X part 2
it’s time to stop caring. click my name to see the article.
“Ultimately, the way we look at it is that if the characters don’t care about that question, then we as storytellers don’t care about that question.”
Courtesy of Damon and Carlton
I went over to one of the fan sites moments ago. The pedia one.
There is some serious grumbling and outright anger from some of the fans over there about how bad the show is. One recent post is by someone angry that so many mysteries will be left unexplained and how bad the last episode was.
The comedy part of posts like that is the response from the remaining hardcore fanatics who respond that the writers “don’t owe us anything” and that we should just be grateful for so many hours of “excellent” entertainment. It’s funny but sad too.
I think I like Lisa de Moraes.
From her Jan 15, 2007 article:
One reporter also asked Lindelof what “Lost” was about — a reasonable question but not one you usually hear a reporter who’s been watching faithfully ask about a show in its third season. “This is a show about people who are metaphorically lost in their lives, who get on an airplane and crash on an island and become physically lost on planet Earth, and once they are able to metaphorically find themselves in their lives again, then they will be able to physically find themselves in the world again,” Lindelof responded. Yup, sounds like 46 more episodes.
Here’s another, from Nov 3, 2006:
“Lost” is the beacon on the hill of serialized dramas, the one that has what all other serialized dramas aspire to: multiple convoluted story lines going nowhere, almost no point of entry for new viewers and a hipster exec producer who barely shows up in the second season because he had to direct “Mission: Impossible 3.”
From the article:
“And if you’re expecting they will nonetheless come through with some kind of post-finale TV special, online chat, tweet — anything! — to answer their rabid fans’ lingering head-scratchers, you need to think again. They have no intention of discussing the show after the finale airs on May 23, co-creators Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse blithely informed nearly 2,000 “Lost” fans attending the annual TV festival of the Paley Center for Media (formerly Museum of Television and Radio, formerly Museum of Broadcasting) in Beverly Hills, Calif.”
So now they’re stealing the exit strategy David Chase used on The Sopranos. And they think that they’re going to be so cool and mysterious by saying nothing. Wow. Do you think they have any idea of the size of the shitstorm headed their way when the finale turns out to be a huge ball of suck?
I figured it out now. Lost is comedy. That last episode was pure black comedy gold. Locke at the end walking with his bunch of clowns.
It is just really frustrating that the first season wasn’t comedy.
Funny stuff.
I wonder if the writers have been making fun of the fans for the last few seasons.
Writing scripts and plots that they know are crap just to watch the fans talk about how brilliant it is.
It’s almost hard to believe that a show could be so bad accidentally. Are they deliberately creating garbage just to f*ck with the audience?
You know that is totally plausible. Doubtfull but yes feasible. I pondered this a bit sometime last season but figured that they just wasn’t that smart…..
It’s possible. What’s more likely is Lost’s creative staff actually believe their own bullshit and are convinced that second they’ve created on screen shines with the brilliance of a thousand suns. If an idea comes from their minds, it is immediately the best idea ever conceived, regardless of how much sense it makes or if it fits into a story.
LOST Writer: Everyone, everyone. Settle down now. I HAVE HAD AN IDEA. I was at Half Price Books and I looked at an old Sears Roebuck catalog. There was a bra named the loop n’ latch. WE NEED TO GET ONE OF THOSE AND HAVE KATE WEAR IT. We’ll have a close up of the label so people can see the brand name. Then, the fans will search high and low until someone finds it in a 1978 Sears catalog. Latch rhymes with hatch, right? Yeah. Get it? Okay, let’s move on.
Yes, and loop rhymes with poop and thats what they have in their heads. Shit for brains!!!!!!!
I read this post on the ABC lost theory forums and thought it was interesting…
“I want to begin with the book that Jack found in Davids room. It was The Annotated Alice, which is based on the tales of Alice and Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass. Jack says to David are you reading this.. David says yes. Jack refers to the characters Kitty and Snowdrop, before getting interupted by David. Now, in Through the Looking Glass, Kitty and Snowdrop are Alices kittens. Kitty is white and Snowdrop is black. Also, Through the Looking Glass is also a mirror image of Wonderland.. in the book Alice is playing with her kittens — a black kitten and a white kitten, the offspring of Dinah, Alice’s cat in the first book — when she ponders what the world is like on the other side of a mirror’s reflection. Climbing up on the fireplace mantel, she pokes at the wall-hung mirror behind the fireplace and discovers, to her surprise, that she is able to step through to it to an alternate world. In this reflected version of her own house, she finds a book with looking-glass poetry. In the book also uses frequent time changes by using a spatial direction as a plot device. I believe, this where the producers got their Lighthouse, mirror and spatial direction as plot device. Instead of climbing up a mantel, Jacob would climb to the top of the lighthouse. Jacob could set the degrees to anytime he wanted and enter into the lives of anyone he wanted. That is why their names are all on the device. He could step through the mirror and would be in their lives… Now, Jocob also wanted Jack to break this mirror. Why?.. To put Jack on his path of redemption and also to help stop MIB. MIB could also use that mirror. Just a theory.. could David be MIB by using the same device. David could be somehow stuck in time. Jack can’t seem to remember things. We still don’t know who the mother of David is. MIB said to Sawyer that he was once a human… just something to think about.
Some other ideas to think about is that David was playing a song on the piano.. that song was also being played by Daniel in an earlier episode.
On the official ABC Lost website there is picture of the remaining players… almost the Last Supper. To me, the producers are still just playing with our heads, but if look closer at the picture you see all the players to Lock’s left seem to be on Jacobs side and all the players to right of Lock seem to on MIB side ( with exception of Richard and he is to be determined later).
Now last, if you haven’t already looked up the meanings of each player name yet then here is your cheat sheet:
Arron : ancient egyptian meaning pregnancy / concieve / conception.. Hebrew meaning: from the mountain, place of his own death.
Shannon : god is gracious….. (Hugo and Jack referred her name when they found the inhailer by the cave with the dead bodies)
Litteton ( Arron and Clairs last name) : town or settlement
Austen (kate) : respected
Richard : Strong, power
Desmond : man of the world
Dogen : zen; meaning way of the road / strict
#4 Locke : Fortified place / forest
#8 Reyes ( Hugo ) : King
#15 Ford ( Sawyer) : River crossing
#16 Jerrah ( Sayid ) : Taught by God
#23 Sheppard ( Jack ) : To guard, lead or heard : drive: keep together
#42 Kwon : from the emperial Hun family: later changed to Kwon…. a.Sun = goodness b. Jin = truth; on of light
David : beloved
Benjamin : Last son of Jacob.. wife died giving birth (meaning; son of my pain). Referred to as being honest, eventhough being accused
Jacob : Perserverence with god.
Will Jack Sheppard’s destiny end up guarding the the Island when it’s all said an done? or will the Island end up under water as a settlement or lost civilzation like they showed in opening episode of the final season.”
So?
I just hope Smokie finally gets to go home!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and if I haven’t mentioned it yet. Kates’ head, it needs to be on the end of a stick!!!!!!!!!!
If by “Kate’s head” you mean Evangaline Lilly’s mouth and by “stick” you mean my erect bonus….then I agree.
bonus, lol
And that Claire finally gets back her BAAAAYYYYBEEEEEE!!!!
Amen to that
That was about as “interesting” as watching two fleas fuck.
I cant believe you guys are still watching this bullshit… lol You’re never going to get the answers!
There you are! I was trying to invent a theory about something in the show and needed your help but now I forget what it was.
Now that even the writers have admitted the show is just random bullsh*t anyway it’s useless to concoct theories about it.
Please show up here earlier next episode. In case I have questions.
There’s an old expression that says you should never wrestle with a greased pig because you get all dirty while trying to grab it and besides the pig may actually being enjoying it all.
Lost is the Greased Pig.
That’s actually an expression? Where are you from?
“That’s actually an expression? Where are you from?”
Hilarious.
The same place that Kenneth from 30 Rock hails from…
Nice… Kenneth also probably says “useless as teats on a boar”. Or would that be too blue for him?
Your daddy said what?
SOMEONE IS COMING TO THE ISLAND! SOMEONE IS COMING TO THE ISLAND! OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!
Yeah! I’m sooooooo scared that whoever comes to the island will be as much of a badass as Daryl’s other brother from “He’s Our You”.
Let’s recap, shall we? The show’s creators say it’s not appropriate for the show’s creators to give the “official definition” of what they, the show’s creators, meant by any particular moment on the show they created.
Okey-dokey.
This was a great article!!!!!
You mean they’ve been making it all up as they go along? THE FUCK???
It’s pointless. I literally force myself to watch this for a period every year so I can see if these writers can write themselves out of this mess they’ve created. I have been betting “no” since season 3. I promise you, mark my words: disappointment from everyone. Not just hardcore fans, but EVERYONE.
I am a film student and a professional videographer/editor. I have acted for years. I am also writing screenplays and studying story arc, character dimension, etc. I’m amazed that this show is surviving still. The biggest mystery of this show is how something that started with what seemed to be a decent storyline and plot can still survive with a strong following after completely throwing the essential tools of any good story or writing structure out the window.
People innately want resolution, closure, and answers to questions. I think it’s asking too much of anyone to come up with all three, if any, of these things at this point.
Let’s just expect the worst and see what happens.
I am not a film student or a professional videographer/editor, but I do know that so many things are wrong with Lost that to try to point any one out would run the risk of overlooking the fact that there a hundred more.
I suddenly realised when Lost stopped making sense to me:
It was the day I stopped smoking massive amounts of weed while watching it.
The idjits also got the forums to light up by saying “Jacob will explain the island; it’s a 4 letter word with an O in it”.
OMG, a sOul! It’s lOst! It’s pOOp! It’s a jOke.
It is, in fact. sOup. The island is sOup.
Lost is actually an uncredited adaptation of Crow T Robot’s screenplay, Earth Vs. Soup.
Take it back about Crow T Robot. The idea that he is somehow associated with this crap is more offensive than Joe Don Baker as Mitchell is lazy.
You guys watch Joe Don Baker movies?
I didn’t say he LET them!! They have stolen every idea they have abused.. didya know that Vincent’s real name is Nummymuffincoocolbutter?
Bad TV show? You’re soaking in it.
I can’t help but notice that in the promos for that new movie with the fruit-loop from Twilight; that you wouldn’t even know Emilie De Ravin was in it. I also notice that for a TV show with such a high profile, Lost has so far produced very little film opportunities for its stars. Matthew Fox in Vantage Point… what else? Usually, film directors are lining up around the block to use recognizable faces from hot TV shows (IE: Jason Segel from the CBS crapfest How I Met Your Mother, who has been in every mediocre comedy of the last 3 years it would seem). Knowing the protection that SAG rules afford, it can’t be contractual problems preventing the Lost actors from doing more, so what is it? Are they already type-cast beyond all help? Or do Hollywood insiders realize that most of the cast are overrated as actors? Or is it fear of some sort of Lost backlash as the show spirals downwards to its inevitably awful conclusion?
Mathew Fox was in Smoking Aces (though I don’t remember him in it) as was Nestor Carbonel (Richard Alpert)…he sucked in that movie.
A lot of the actors came from kick ass shows/movies (Lenon from Deadwood, Miles from Saw, Mr. Eko from Bourne Identity, Michael from the Edge/Matrix, Sayid from The English Patient…) but I don’t think a single one has made it into a leading role.
I already mentioned being grateful that John Hawkes (from Deadwood) was off this POS for now. Many great character actors have come and gone during the last 5+ seasons of Lost. I wouldn’t put Nestor Carbonel in that category, since he’s still best known as Luis on Suddenly Susan. Naveen Andrews, Terry O’Quinn and Daniel Dae Kim were already all well known and very respectable character actors. I’m sure they will continue to get plenty of work once Lost is over. I’m more thinking of Jack, Kate, Sawyer, (the late) Dr. Botox and a couple of others, who one would think had some potential for movie star status (in theory at least).
For some of us, Nestor Carbonel will always be Batmanuel from The Tick.
Holloway has been in a couple of things, but they were duds, the most memorable one was where he and some friends were being chased by a mutant saber-tooth tiger.
Man, what was that guy thinking when he took that role?
Both Kim’s have had minor parts in films that got low attention from critics. Daniel was running from mutant cave bats or something? (Are you seeing the common thread that exists here?)
Lilly was on some god-awful movie that only made the Sci-Fi channel. I think she was being chased by mutant children.
O’Quinn was the lead in that TV movie about aliens attacking the earth. He is a decent actor, but that was dreadful role for him. He was a retired General, and he failed to capture the persona of what a flag officer is typically like. He was just Locke trying to battle aliens.
I would be willing to bet that most of the things you mention were pre-Lost vehicles that only saw the light of day once the show became a hit. Especially the ones with Kate and Sawyer. I also recall Evangeline Lilly in a SUPER HOT (lol…) phone sex commercial that aired the year before Lost debuted.
I remember seeing O’Quinn on an episode of STAR TREK TNG quite some time back. He is a pretty good actor, but I don’t know if being in this suckfest will help his career much. You need to be in movies though thats where the big money is at…..
Is anybody else disturbed by smoked Locke’s droopy, old man boobs?
I’m more freaked out by Sawyer’s beer belly or Kate’s suspiciously inflated abdomen.
Well if Kate turns up preggers, maybe they can finally answer the question about why women can’t successfully give birth on the island. Yet another one that fell by the wayside…
too much poi
LOL!
Locke’s moobs have gotten much bigger this season, while strangely Kate’s tatas seem to be much smaller. I guess they got sick of this shitty show too.
Jack’s got the man teats as well. It’s about all I can notice on either of them. Could someone find them some undershirts, please?
Maybe we should start by considering the male characters that don’t have boobs…Vincent?
“Michelle Rodriguez is getting ‘Lost’ — again.
According to the Ausiello Files, Rodriguez will reprise her role of Ana Lucia for at least one episode as the final season of ‘Lost’ comes to an end.”
Apparently everybody’s favorite Hispanic, alcoholic, lesbian has found some room in her schedule. WHOOPDEEFUCKINGDOO!
unless there is some lesbian action with Kate
Do you think they will let her cock a gun?
Sawyer’s gun maybe. OOOOOH-YEEAH!
I think there is a song about the fight between Sayid and Sulk Dogan:
They were kung fu fighting, with moves so gay it’s frightening,
not a little bit exciting
what a sad excuse for writing.
Ta na na na na.
na na
na na.
Nice…
That was okay, but I do have a question about the Iron Chef. If he was a Tokyo salaryman 15 years ago, then came to the island, where exactly did he learn his mad black belt kung fu skillz? Did Jacob go out and recruit Steven Seagal to train the Others before banishing him back to the “real world” to make crappy straight-to-dvd movies and get fat eating doughnuts on the beat as a fake celebreality cop in NoLa?
Steven Seagal? Please leave my other alter-ego out of this.
How many of them things you got living with you?????
I like it but the fight scene was so crappy it should be called Dung Poo.
Looked like rough ninja foreplay to me. For some reason this show is all about people inflicting red bruises and minor cuts onto each others faces on a weekly basis. Or maybe the makeup artist is sleeping with the director and is getting free reign on the set.
Michael Jackson was Johnny Depps first lover…
WOW, I didn’t know they were even related…..
Another plot hole:
Why could Smocke/Lockie not enter the temple until Dogen was dead? Didn’t he test Ben underneath the temple and appeared as Alex last season? Also, didn’t he pull a member of Rousseau’s team down into a hole just outside the temple’s wall?
I’ll say it again.
Ahem!
Manatee plot balls.
You think that’s bad? Remember when I had tea with Mohammed?
Remember when I won a date in Mexico with Gary Coleman?
So, let me see if I can get this straight now. The year that Oceanic flight 816 didn’t crash was 2004. Right??? Now we have flight 316 crashing on Not Guam or shithole, craphole, asshole, whatever you decide. OK I thought that the year was 2007. Right? What happens if they were to leave the island right now??? Will their sideways twin ever catch up with them??? Or maybe the deja vu will get so bad for the lagging twin that their head will explode. Seems to me that these bastards have had us flashing backwards then forewards and sideways and oh yes, just flashing any which direction for the nosebleedsection. All this god damned flashing has made me nauseous, oh no, I think i, oh boy, gotta bloody nose here. Can anybody help me? Is there a doctor on this plane old island? No, not that one, he just likes to stick his fingers down your throat. Oh, wow, false alarm it stopped. Wow, that was a close one!!!!!!!!
I hope the last episode finds the Lost character’s plane crashing in 1977 Cambodia and they are captured by the Khmer Rouge and sent to the killing fields.
I’d wish the same on the writers too but as we all know TIME TRAVEL IS IMPOSSIBLE!
My head explodes trying to figure out how a bomb blowing up in 1977 has no effect on the island in 2007.
I think that it is Desmond or Widmore thats coming. Maybe they teamed up and it will be both of them. The reason I say this is because I can’t think of anybody else that has ties with the island. Widmore bought that logbook a couple of seasons back, and I am sure that there was some significance to this. But then again with these ignorant, presumptuous, pretentious, pompous, arrogant, half witted, self glorified, lazy assed writers, you just never know. We might not ever see them again…..
It’s Walt. He’s the new Jacob. Which is why Smoke Mobster wants to escape the island before he arrives.
Nah, it’s going to be a random new character that we’re suddenly supposed to care about.
And he will die 2 episodes later.
I suspect you’re right Simon. Not only will he die, we’ll be given a brief but complete answer about who he was and why he was there.
No other previous characters or mysteries will be explained.
If it does turn out to be Walt though…the fanboys will cream in their pants.
BINGO!!!
It’s going to be a new character who is going to be the only man that can save the island, until he dies 3 episodes later, at which point the writers will give a half assed explanation as to why he carried around a book/shell/pipe before introducing the next bad ass character that is the only hope for saving the island. Of course during all of this, Jack cries several times while Hurley says ‘Dooood?!’ and Kate cocks her gun between beating up larger and better adversaries.
How come Jabob can be killed with a knife, but stabbing smokie/locke has no effect on him? I thought they were they same type of being?
Oh for Pete’s sake. That is a great question for which there will NOT be a good answer. Let’s just say “it’s in the script” and leave it at that.
Well MarkyMark, that question is not important to the characters, so Lindelof et. al. will not be answering it.
The first thing I thought about 2 minutes into this episode is how bad you geeks were gonna roast the little girl with the mutant uni-brow…I’ll start reading and see if you disappoint…
Which one is she?
Sayid’s neice…
Oh, ok. She’s a cute little kid.
OH MY GOD, she’s a freak of nature. A mix between an aztec and a Lama.
Them two been at it again eh?
“Those are my priceless tea bowls! I KNEW THERE WAS EVIL IN YOU!!”
I bet $498.00 that the first Locke comes back to life before the show ends…
Pretty good bet. I’m thinking all 200 characters will be back on the final episode and gather in a grassy field and sing “The Age of Aquarius”
Naked. Except for Kate because that would be gross.
screw that, after all we’ve had to put up with Kate, we deserve to see a little skin. Lord knows she has no acting career; might as well get used to entertaining naked.
Let the sunshine in…
They should have ended this crap last season.
Boring, inconsequential, lame, and gay. Get this stinky poop over with already.
I definitely think LOST should have ended after season three. In the third season the show started to get sluggish and slow. Then by season four it got lazy and stupid. Last season was just as ridicules as a show can get. What they should have done was make the conclusion of season three a two hour special, answer a few questions and leave it at that. Sure there would have been a few irate fans. But for the most part we all would have thought it to be a pretty good show that ended badly. I think by not doing this that the creators and producers have done nothing but humiliate themselves, dishonor the show in general and make nothing but complete fools out of themselves. I believe it to be impossible for them to come up with any kind of a logical ending that will even half assed satisfy anybody.
I wish that would have happened. Season three was a little iffy but you’re right, they could have wrapped it up as you suggest and still finished strong.
Had they done that I would have likely bought the DVD set for the show. Now there’s no way I want to even watch the early seasons again because they are tainted by how stinky bad the show has become since.
Watching the remaining episodes of this last season will be fun just to ridicule the show and the writers but I’ll never want to watch any ‘Lost’ after that.
This went from the best show ever made – to the I don’t give a shit if it ends tomorrow show… More and more questions, new characters, more questions, alternate “what if” realities, and now soap opera FILL FILL FILL!
Did the producers let ABC start calling the shots or what? IT’S THAT BAD!
I wouldn’t say it was ever the best show made. The original Dukes of Hazzard still beats Lost in its prime.
Maybe not the greatest but I thought it was really good early on.
When the plane crashed and the big monster in the jungle made its first appearance scaring everyone on the beach. When Locke found the hatch. Even when the got into the hatch and met Desmond. I even liked the tail section side story.
At some point the show started to fall apart though. Was it when Walt was kidnapped and Michael became hysterical trying to get him back? Or was it when they met the Others in the forest and the Others were wearing those stupid disguises? The gun cocking bugged me from the first time firearms were introduced into the story.
I think it could have been one of the best TV shows ever made. At least in the Sci-Fi/mystery genre. Instead it has become one of the very worst TV shows ever made. It kinda makes me mad.
I too think that it could of been the best show ever made if they had come up with a few dozen plot elements and built the show around that, rather than having a vague concept of a begining and end, and arcing the story around those two points, while in each season changing the ‘end’
i agree jg. i also in the first year thought this was one of the smartest shows on television. character development, mystery, sociology, good stuff.
actually i felt it has been all right, even through last season which at times i did find interesting. then came this year.
wow its surprisingly poor.what i think really turns this away from what it was- originally this was a show about 14 people, and we got to see them in almost every episode, even just for a few minutes we knew sawyer, jack, sun, hurley etc were around and involved- sometimes they were the focus other times not- but it was always a group effort.
this year we see 2 characters for an entire episode and no one else, not even mentioned. to me that entails bad plot develoment and poor writing, and losing focus as to how to tell a story
the office was first good show to all of a sudden tank from poor writing- and it looks like lost is following along that trend
The big question should be what happened to claire- well the actress playing her. she looks like she has been through the ringer and back. drug habit? death in the family. used up on hollywood casting couches. I mean this in a compassionate way. Someone needs to look into this woman’s physical and mental well being. she looks sick.
as for the writing of her in the show. casting her to reprise the rousseau character was one of the hugest mistakes of the season. it just does not match her energy as an actor and comes off as another bad saturday night live sketch.
i still think in reral like she needs some help
I really did not notice that, except to say, that she is getting older, and that process in itself is not being kind to her. Too much sun?
Another person like that is Ian Sommerhalder. Remember him? Well, lately, those boyish good looks he used to have are gone gone gone. He looks haggard, and he is not even that old.
the final episode
Kate is pregnant and has a healthy child and survives, the twist/loophole is that she is actually a post op transgender the island made fertile. The child is black and named Walt (mysteriously, not explained). Claire steals the baby for revenge and hooks up with Hurely as he was the closest link to Charlie hobbit. They find a fried chicken shop on the island and when Claire asks “Why didn’t we find this before?”, Huley replies smiling and patting his belly, “Dude, who says we didn’t”. Sawyer finds Dharma cigarettes, gets drunk and burns to death in bed. His final word is “Freckles…”. Jack ironically breaks his back and trys to talk Sun through the spinal surgery using coconuts and Aloe Vera. Jin, who was away on an important pointless jungle trek bursts into the tent just as it looks like Sun is giving one of her ‘massages’ that only an asian woman can give. Jin loses it and kills them and himself – even more ironically he tears out Jacks spine like in Mortal Combat. Locke/smokie turns out to be good and escapes the island. He realizes he cant keep up with the modern world but gets by trying to do good by everybody. That is until he gets hooked on an ABC ‘character driven’ drama that has no answers to its convoluted bullshit plot. He waits patiently until finally the last episode provides no answers at all, just more questions that he has no real interest in. Smokie, not in anger but in what he believes is justice, assumes his smoke-god mode, heads to ABC and destroys all the writers, actors, producers and directors. He then goes back to the island, finds Jacob, makes up with him, they have a beer and look out on the ocean holding hands. “Let’s try this again”. Laughter.
BOOM
Well I like the ending
What? That can’t happen it makes way to much sense and no “cliffhanger”…..
The only way this show redeems itself is if they have a parallel Scarface reality. “Say hello to my little friend”. Rat-a-tat-tat-tat…. and the camera zooms in to Al Pacino sitting in the temple jacuzzi full of red blood. Now that’s what I call gun cock’n. But that’s just me…
Uma Thurman with a sword…
The Bride: And what, pray tell, is the five-point-palm-exploding-heart technique?
Bill: Quite simply, the deadliest blow in all of martial arts. He hits you with his fingertips at five different pressure points on your body. And then he lets you walk away. But after you’ve taken five steps, your heart explodes inside your body, and you fall to the floor, dead.
That was gold smokeman! I was laughing the whole way through.
Baby walt and the fried chicken “who says we didn’t” were classic.
LMAO!
“Sawyer finds Dharma cigarettes, gets drunk and burns to death in bed. His final word is “Freckles…”
Good stuff.
Predictions for the next episode?
Hurley has surgery on his hemmorhoids…
Kate beats up 4 guys
Jack cries
Jin and Sun pretend to care
Sayid pretends to have feelings
4 new characters introduced
2 minor characters killed off
Everyone is wearing masks. Jack pulls his mask off and he’s really Iron Chef, Sawyer pulls his mask off and he’s Jack’s father, Locke pulls his mask off and he’s Jacob, Hurley pulls his mask and fat suit off and is Giselle Bunchen, Jin pulls off his mask and he’s Sun and vice versa, Claires baby Aaron pulls off his mask and he’s Charlie hobbit and he needs a hit, Sayid pulls off his mask and he’s Osama Bin Laden, finally Kate pulls down her pants and its The Crying Game all over again.
I like it!
You see, why can’ this show get you to write for them?
More cameo guest star walk ons… they should just get it over with and make the rest of the season like Hollywood Squares. I think Hurley and Miles were hinting at that were playing X’s and O’s in the temple square.
Hmmm, a big jungle trek, some more gun cocking, and a long stare. I think other posters are right, they’ll introduce another character (and even new place on the island) and then bring up questions about them and answer them in 2 episodes and claim they are giving us answers.
Does anyone else wonder how Smokey Locke and Sawyer got out of the cave (with the names on the ceiling)? Sawyer broke the ladder going down so how’d they get out?
CPT Preevyet
I son’t think Smokie would have a problem. He could just turn into cloud nine and fly out. As for Sawyer, thats a tough one. He will probably just show up in the next episode and thats that. You know how it works with this show. Ask no questions and we will tell you all lies…..
and if SLockey can carry people like they’re made of paper, why didn’t he carry Sawyer there? is it against the rules or is it just too gay?
It’s becoming pretty clear that both Jacob and Smokey are just a duo of dueling douchebag deities, who have some sort of a philosophical argument or are playing some game involving humans, and they must comply with a watered down version of the prime directive, where some interference is allowed but not the kind that would answer any question, shorten the series, make sense, reduce jungle treks, gun cocking etc.
Very original, if here and now was Greek 500 B.C.
Ohhhhh! I like the idea of Sawyer riding Smokey. Like the kid riding on the dragon in the movie ‘Never Ending Story’.
Sawyer could be straddling the smoke mobsters neck and yelling WAHOOOOOOO, smiling and waving at all the other Losters and Others.
I hope that will be in the next episode.
Sawyer could just have walked along the bottom of the rock near sea level until he reached a beach.
I will predict, Ummm let me see, I will say, hummm OK, I got it!!!! I predict it’s gonna suck and suck bad. Just a guess…..
Let’s see next episode -
Jack and Hurley are trekking through the jungle again. They bump into Sawyer who doesn’t bother telling them what he has learned.
More trekking through the the jungle and then those 3 bump into Richard who tells them about what’s going down. Cue the “we need to build an army” talk.
A few pouty faces from Jack, fat jokes from sawyer, more emotionless stares and suspenseful music
BOOM!
Lost
Jacob sends Hurley on a mission to join Jenny Craig. Valerie Bertinelli guest stars in this episode.
I wasn’t disappointed with this episode but I was a bit dismayed…I mean I felt like we’re going thru circles with Sayid’s character…After this episode my impression of him hasn’t really changed…Last season in the ep where he killed Ben Linus as a kid I thought they made it vividly clear that while Sayid is a man with very honorable qualities, when push comes to shove, when given only 1 choice, he will become a killer…He is a killer…
I don’t feel like I learned that much more about Sayid here…And at the end of the episode I felt like it was a perfect chance for him to admit this to Ben…That Ben was right about him, but he just gives this tortured smile…Leading into a Ben-centric episode I feel like that would have been nice…Or to imply that he killed him as a child would have been incredible, but it all got caught up in the black smoke I guess…
Secondly , to that end, I’m also beginning to get frustrated with a lack of answers (Eventhough I’ve accepted that we won’t get many other than the big ones) It’s always fun to see the smoke monster go on a killing spree, but for the first time in a while I didn’t really care…I didn’t know whether I was supposed to feel bad about the temple people or cheer on the The Smokness Lockster…I really felt like they did a bad job (dramatically) of leading up to the invasion…In the end I felt more dismay than I felt awe or adulation…I wanted to be emotionally invested in what was happening and time just doesn’t seem to allow for the subtle things that makes storytelling so good anymore…So while on paper it appears this was the biggest ep of the season, in reality it didn’t say much I already didn’t know especially about Sayid…It’s like the Smoke fight in the end was supposed to make up for everything I didn’t like (Dogan and Lennon going out like chumps notwithstanding)…Sayid always does what he has to in the end…So I didn’t really feel like his FS were that revealing…
After watching this ep, was Dogen the leader of the others? With Ben off island and banished and Locke obviously gone for 3 years (Dead, although Richard didn’t know)…Who was the leader of the others? Initially I thought Dogen was under Ben, but his knowledge of things far surpassed Ben…I also found it odd that no scenes were devoted to Ben’s knowledge of the temple and what they were to expect there given he seemed to have $hitloads of knowledge on the place in season 3…Oh well…
Ha!
“The Smokness Lockster”
Nice.
Glad my efforts weren’t wasted..I’ve been using that nick everywhere for Locke and I think it’s damn original if I do say so myself^^…
The Locke Ness Smokester?
my friend, this is a site for recovering Lostoholics, it seems you are starting to fall off the wagon.
please stop before it’s too late.
Well I haven’t fallen off the wagon just yet..I concede that LOST is supremely flawed with numerous continuity problems and retcon issues, but despite the sobering reality that the show in my head ended the day I found out it was about 2 magical brothers playing a game, there still isn’t much on TV as visually impressive at times and with an ensemble cast quite like LOST..I mean I’d stab myself with Dogen’s dagger if I had to watch $hit like NCIS or CSI Whatever…
LOSTs worst episodes beat like 90% of network dramas, so from that perspective I can deal despite my dismay at times…
The third season of Breaking Bad will air in 12 days. I suggest you watch the pilot and if you like it, get up to speed, watching the remaining 2 seasons.
‘Breaking Bad’. That’s a real show right there.
Oh I just realized that the interpreter’s actual name was Lennon. I thought people here just called him that because he looks a bit like a hippie, which John Lennon did too for part of his career.
Maybe we should make a revised top 10 list of “why Lost sucks” and Taylor could post one every week instead of phoning in his comment (he obviously doesn’t watch it anymore and just keeps this site for our sake – thanks Ty).
Before someone else does it! Who the hell is Taylor?????
Et tu, Brute?
it’s a mistake – and I did say ‘thanks TY’ in the end
I know, I was just fuckin with ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fucking with me?
sounds like you write for Lost.
I don’t know about all that, but I wish I was making their money…..
I still watch, just not always live so I can’t comment in time. Hence the “phoning it”
Feel free to revise the list!
I think #4 is moot now since they run them all together, but maybe revise it to 16 episodes then nothing for 8 Months. But then again, it’s nearly over anyway.
CPT P
Top ten reasons lost sucks, here are a few new ones.
Continually adding new characters. This show has had 150+ characters in it and 120+ of those have been killed off.
Never answering questions (enough said)
The only way the writers can write a dramatic scene is to have someone point a gun at someone else. It’s like they went to the Michael Scott school of writing (if you’ve seen the office where Michael goes to improve class you’ll get that reference) This is my biggest problem with the show, even more than not answering questions, after you’ve seen someone point a gun at Jack 1000 times there is no more suspense when you do it for the 1001st time.
Dramatic stares from one character to another
New characters and dramatic stares are already on the list. And maybe just refine not answering questions to when an important question is asked, you get usually one of two responses:
1. I’ll tell you, but after you do something for me
2. That’s not important right now
Maybe it should be a top 15.
CPT P
3. Never ask me that again!
4. There’s no time to answer, but there is time to stop what we’re doing to explain why there’s no time to answer.
5. What is this, a press conference?
Agent Michael Scarn and his sidekick Dwigt.
I was looking to see what tonight’s episode was about and stumbled across this spoiler (supposedly from that weekend get-together with Damon and Carlton):
“Basically, plan on seeing lots of island Jack and Jack the Dad in episodes to come.”
It’s like they’re deliberately trying to piss off the fans.
I’m disappointed they didn’t mention lots of Kate.
“It’s like they’re deliberately trying to piss off the fans.”
-Seriously, why doesn’t Lindelof et. al. get it that no one likes Jack
Dear Santa Claws…..
Anyone know who writes the comments for the “enhanced” episodes which air before the weeks new episode?
I noticed they said that if flight 815 had NOT crashed, this is what would have happened with Nadia and Sayid’s brother.
Sooo, since that plane didn’t crash a few days ago (yesterday?) their time, Nadia and Omer got married and had a couple of 8-10 year old kids.
I really hope I’m missing something with that explanation.
Sadly, you’re not
The timeline should have started diverging from the original one when they travelled to the 50s or whenever it was that the US military wanted to test a nuke there. This would have meant that most characters shouldn’t even have been alive in the new time line.
From the best show to pure shit.
WHO THE *UCK CARES!