Episode 9: Ab Aeterno
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I’m the first for the start of the suck-fest! HAHA
Aren’t you a special one….
I predict a horrible CGI cut-scene involving The Black Rock and The Black Smoke.
Why doesn’t Sawyer and all the rest of them just ask Smokie, “WHO AND WFT ARE YOU?” What is this F’n Island about? Are they afraid to get a Richard answer like, “you’re not ready yet…”‘
They do ask questions like that…during the commercials.
Sorry, I don’t want to interrupt the “good stuff.” They all seem like Super Bowl commercials this season.
The gay, buddy cops are so funny – again.
You were right…
Great, now we have a fucking telenovela on our hands.
THANK YOU! I’m starting to get physically ill reading people trying to defend this episode just because Kate and Sawyer weren’t in it.
That was my first thought as well. A 19th century telenovela. With subtitles. Sheesh…
Holy crappola, we just may have an episode with some answers!
Don’t get so excited just yet.
wtf is this shit i’m watching
will till ep 15
I am still an hour and fifteen minutes away so its not good news to see the posts are already downersville in dharmaville…..
what did you expect?
Pretty good episode.
Know why?
No gun cocking.
No giant frozen time travel wheel.
No Claire surviving rocket-launcher attack.
Continue the list of ‘no’s!
no kate
no flash sideways
no jin or sun looking for each other
Did you see the previews? It looks like the Jin and Sun episode is next week.
No Point…
No Logic…
No Answers….
No Hope…
No Saving this Series…
No women in labor
No briefcase bomb which counts down to a note popping up, which says “NOT YET”
No Frogurt
No flash-sideways.
IT STILL SUCKED BIG HAIRY BOAR BALLS!
No Eloise the Tme-Travelling Rat’s Consciousness.
No jungle treks.
No cheesy references to what the fans are talking about.
No one-liner delay tactics to people asking questions.
Did you notice that our regular characters were actually sitting together and talking to each other? Oh the horror!
Even the new characters introduced all died in the episode itself, now that must be a first right?
.
No DriveShaft
Yes there was. Right at the beginning, gun cocking with closeup.
Damn, guess I’ve been desensitized to the gun-cocking. Oh well, but at least :
No Dharma Janitors
No WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTT!
No Cheech
No Kate taking out 15 guys
No Kate centric episode
No Kate arm cross
No Kate feet shuffle
No Kate-Jack ‘moment’
Wow, I hate to admit it, but that was a pretty good episode. Easily the best of this season, and the best since The Constant.
They should just cut out all the other characters and focus on Jacob and The Man In Black. Titus Welliver is pretty fucking awesome in the role.
absolutey right. this reminds me why i liked watching lost in the first place.
I agree. I kinda liked it, mainly due to the acting. The story felt kinda cheesy and kinda expected. But it was still enjoyable. My only complaint is that it feels like too little too late..
I agree. Far too late. This was one of the best episodes in a long time, but it should have taken place 3 seasons ago and all the filler in between completely cut out. The show hasn’t redeemed itself by showing this to us now…. especially since it’s contradicted by crap that was said/shown in the filler seasons. If the island is a cork for evil, then what was the point of making it disappear? And why is Widmore on the OUTSIDE of that evil trying to get to the cork? It doesn’t make sense, but it still is better than the other episodes this season….
As a side note, I can’t stand the religious tone to it. Blech… but that’s just a taste thing.
Noooooo! All you guys are going soft!
What? How dare you criticize Lost on a website called WHY LOST SUCKS. Don’t you know we all now love the show just because there was no gun cocking in it?
I wish the show focused on characters like Mikhail, Jacob, MIB, Richard… They are more interesting than Jack, Kate, Bernard, Vincent…
So I’m not first, oh well..Let the fudge-packing commence…
Whatcha got this week Goth Kids?
I can’t stop thinking about you.
Because your gay, and you think the Island’s gay…Ya see, it’s all connected!!!
BOOM
BiCURIOUS
I don’t think you’re going to find “Goth Kids” around these parts. Unless they’re 40 year old “Goth Kids”, and I think they just call those “creepy people”.
“Goth Kids” is a metaphor for pissy losers who hate on the popular kids cause they wish they could be them…Like you do to people who still enjoy this show despite whatever flaws…
So can I bum a cig Gothy?
Like I said, “creepy people”… er… never mind.
so why aren’t you hanging with “the popular kids?”
You’re on this board with us…
…it’s ‘cuz you know we’re the cool kids, huh?
BOOM
LOOPHOLE
He’s hanging around because he’s BORED. At least that I can kind of relate to.
OOOOooh Ya got me with your cheezy CBS Afterschool special comeback…I’m here to balance the scales, nothing more nothing less..Some of you sicken me and I saw visions from the Island telling me to pwn some of you…You seem alright though^^…
^Last statement intended for jacob, not Nico Suxmommi…
How sad, I was desperately seeking your approval. I guess we can’t be butt-buddies now.
Back off Nico. I saw him first.
Don’t worry, I’m sure he’s been in a big, gay, pig-pile before. The way he uses the word “fag” so much pretty much confirms this in my mind.
He’s compensating.
He sounds like a 13 year old.
An especially stupid 13 year old, and THAT is saying something.
Yeah I’m 13 /sarcasm …Owning all you fools…
That fact that you think a 13 can successfully spar with you is quite telling of your inferior intellect..An intellect quite below the Lost writers…
Ooo. Was the word “quite” one of your vocabulary words this week? A+ on your usage! Quite impressive!
3rd reply down- did this guy just talk to Jacob?
this was the first good episode in a long time. richard broke my heart.
I’m not gay, but I have to say, Richard needed (again, not gay) a romantic horseback ride scene to complete his character.
Not bad for the first episode of the season. Oh ya, no Kate…
Too bad ‘ol Dude in Black don’t know about that secret frozen wheel you can turn if you want to go to Tunisia…he could have left the island before Dharma even got there!
Ignore the giant plot holes.
It’s against the rules!
Not bad! No why? It wasn’t a LOST episode! Sure, it still had crappy CGI staring and a lame death scene. But no gun cocks, no Kate, and no lame unanswered questions. Hell, the writers even killed 2 birds with one stone! The ship got into the jungle via a huge tsunami wave which also knocked over the statue! A storm did it! Yippeee!!!! AN ANSWER!!!!!
The Jacob vs. Man in Black shit isn’t bad. A bit philosophical, a bit mysterious. The acting tonight was superb. For a while I had forgotten I was watching Richard Alpert, and Jacob as a hardass actually sold it for me. The Man in Black needs to avoid the sun lamp, and we still don’t know why Jacob and MiB speak flawless, American English. But its a start!!!!
*Know why….
The episode was good b/c none of the bad actors were in it (Jack,Kate,Tubby,Sun,Claire,Jin,Miles,Zoe)
Nestor Carbonell was fantastic. Dude’s a pretty solid little actor.
Why couldn’t the final season be 17 origin episodes with a flash-sideways to on-island action? This flash-sideways alterno-land BS has stunk; if the preceeding episodes could have been even half as good as tonight’s episode, I wouldn’t complain as much.
It looks like it’s a “Where is Jin” episode next week, so expect the sucking to resume. But it’s hard to argue that tonight’s episode wasn’t pretty fucking good.
he really hit it out of the park. emmy worthy. richard is still the only character left who i like, and nestor carbonell is the reason why.
He was so convincing in every scene. Exact opposite of Jack centric episode where he kicks down walls and mows down entire platoons of others.
Weren’t we supposed to learn Richard’s backstory this week? I don’t think the episode sucked as bad as usual, except for the 32 minutes of commercials. I think I was just expecting a little more. Here’s the format I had in my head:
9:00-9:05- Setup of non-island Richard’s problem.
9:05-9:10- The problem leads Richard to the Black Rock
9:10-9:15- Black Rock crashes onto the island. Jacob makes Richard immortal.
9:15-10:00- Jacob explains to Richard who he is, what he wants, who the MIB is. Richard meets a few crash landers on the island between the late 1800s to mid 1950s. We learn the backstory of why Richard goes to see young Locke…backstory of how Richard ends up with Whitmore…backstory of why Richard ends up wandering the jungle circa “Young Ben” and the Dharma initiative…backstory of why Richard had “Young Ben” kill the Dharmites.
LOST
Oh yeah, the Sixth Sense Hurley was just a bit much.
Yes, 400 pounds of flesh and 20 litres of sweat too much!!!
we know why Richard went to visit young Locke in the 50ies – because Locke told him to.
My head just exploded.
BOOM
“1950s. We learn the backstory of why Richard goes to see young Locke…backstory of how Richard ends up with Whitmore…backstory of why Richard ends up wandering the jungle circa “Young Ben” and the Dharma initiative…backstory of why Richard had “Young Ben” kill the Dharmites.”
It doesn’t matter!
Great episode..One of the best of alltime, I enjoy hearing people trying to downplay their love for this ep (Because they fear being LOSTSUX outcasts), but I am glad to see it…Better than nothing I guess…
Lost writers cling your crystal gobblets, you’ve impressed these LOSTLOVERS for once…It might never happen again…
honestly. this was what i was expecting this season. how many hours of crap had to precede this?
Infected, you need to quit fingering yourself when you watch Lost episodes. This episode was pretty good, but only because it wasn’t really a LOST episode. Only Richard, Jacob, MIB were in the majority of it, so we didn’t have to put up wiht Jack/Kate/Sun/Claire/etc and the show actually delved into deeper issues and expanded on a conflict we don’t know enough about.
don’t worry, next week’s lost looks like mushy jin/sun relationship garbage. we got a few answers this week. expect none for next wek.
I Hate Kate said:
“This episode was pretty good…”
That’s all I needed to hear…Don’t play it down…Embrace it before your net-friends rape it…
This episode was proof that those flash sideways are utter garbage.
My favorite part of Lost: Bad Robot!
No shit, because then you know the suffering is over for another week.
I watch every week because my husband is into it (bless his heart). But tonight I decided to look up other people who didn’t like this ridiculous show with plots running around like a herd of cats, with no rhyme or reason. And I landed here. This is way more fun!
Welcome. The only reason some of us are still watching Lost is so we can make fun of it here.
Today’s episode was actually not that bad.
Welcome aboard.
Sorry but I’m still thinking Sopranos ending. An hour of filler to tell us that Richard is there b/c he accidently murdered the town doctor, in 1867. And that Richard came from the Canary Islands. They could have done that in a commercial break. And that in a couple of min. of conversation that the deal is sealed for Richards eternal existance. everything else we more or less already knew…..
Is this the place that no series on TV has ever gone?
And going with this “Island is Hell” theory….
How do you die when your already dead?
Does this mean Alex never lived? what about Aaron? or Jin and Sun’s daughter?
Are Polarbears the mascot for hell?
Leaving aside geography, and that The Black Rock missed to new world completely…
How does a wooden ship take down an entire stone statue? Especially when it only clips the top of it? Wouldn’t the ship just splinter apart?
Why doesn’t Richard realize that he could just use his feet when the boar knocked his “tool” six inches out of his hands reach?
How is time travel possible in Hell?
Did the people on the freighter die on the way to the island? or were they already dead?
Beyond the “Hell” theory….
How did the Man in Black get such a good hair cut on the island? and in 1867 even?
Why was Jacob so pissed that Richard tried to kill him, but with Ben 140 yrs later just stands there like “its cool”?
I dont know about you guys, but as for me I am soooo glad the time for questions is over!
Hell is used as a metaphor, it always has been.
The CGI was lame, the reason the statue crumbled was doubly lame, but at this point I’ll take it. It’s an answer at least.
To me, the only redeemable part of this show left is jacob vs. man in black. We found out more information about both’s philosophies, and both acted quite well (as did Nestor Carbonell)
Don’t worry tho. Next week’s will suck again. You heard it here first.
the only good thing about a jin and sun episode is that i will finally stop hearing them ask about one another.
How is Jacob v. MIB cool? So they don’t like each other. Big fucking deal? And what are theire “philosophies”?
How dare you ask such logical questions. We’ve decided to let morons run this board tonight. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
And WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY?
Yes, it was still lame / gay. However, easily the best episode of the season (not saying much). Ben is sitting around the camp fire having most of the answers we and the Loosersties need, yet there he is not offering, and not being asked a F’n thing about what he dedicated his life to… THE ISLAND!
1. How come a wave atleast 200 foot high can put a ship many miles inland after smashing it into a solid rock statue showing us that wood is the strongest matter in the universe without completely wiping all vegetation off of the island’s surface? But wait! The writers gave us some tiny puddles around the BR to show they are fully aware of that dilemma and to therefor proof, that they had no idea how to explain the ships presence properly and therefor AT ALL when they came up with the BR in season 1. Same can be applied to statue – destroyed version.
2. As you correctly observed, Richard forgot his lower extremeties. This was indeed the biggest slap into a viewer’s face ever invented on LOST. For the cheap thrill of a dramatic situation, the writers are willing to reduce richards intelligence to a 2 years old child’s.
3. A show really deep, would have richard yelling at Jacob in absolutly justified anger: You fucking son of bitch, you are willing to kill most likely hundrets or thousand of innocent people as collateral damage just to refill your stock of human test rats so that your bet can go on, fuck you!!!! Youre no better than MIB. So don’t you dare to judge someone elses character as you are amorality in person, you asshole!!!
4. How could smokie fake the death of himself as incarnation of isabella, when he can only be smoke OR a person at the same time. But inspite of that we could hear rollercoaster and screams simultaneously during his little show act.
5. “Let’s just use the ‘they are all dead and in limbo theory’ fans came up with long before we thought of it quite at the beginning so that those fans will be excited and proud of themselves”
6. This time the BR is approaching the island during a roland emmerich world-ending storm while last time we saw her arriving in perfect sunshine when MIBcob were renewing their bet. Cool to see that the writers can’t even plan and construct a plot consistently over a span of only 10 episodes. “But Hey, maybe it was just another ship that day in season 5″… Yes, of course, youre right, that must be it since the writers have given us by far enough proof of their integrity and righteousness! A fool to suspect otherwise.
“…you are willing to kill most likely hundreds or thousand of innocent people as collateral damage just to refill your stock of human test rats so that your bet can go on, fuck you!!!!”
Put this same plot in outer space and you’ve got about three different episodes of Star Trek.
I really would’ve bought into this week’s story if it had aired during the first or second season, but now it’s just a lot less interesting. We already knew that Jacob and MIB were having this contest, so the fact that they’re reiterating it just makes the episode more filler. Better filler, to be sure, since there was no Kate or Sawyer and only a little Jack, but I guess it speaks volumes about a show when the ABSENCE of all the regular characters elevates it to “the best episode so far this season.” Think about that for a minute. In order to get high marks now, Lost has jettison everything it’s been doing for the past four years. I don’t think that’s how it’s supposed to work.
“I don’t think that’s how it’s supposed to work.” that’s you’re problem: You still think!
I guess it speaks volumes about a show when the ABSENCE of all the regular characters elevates it to “the best episode so far this season.”
-At this point, it’s the only thing that can save the season.
2. As you correctly observed, Richard forgot his lower extremeties. This was indeed the biggest slap into a viewer’s face ever invented on LOST. For the cheap thrill of a dramatic situation, the writers are willing to reduce richards intelligence to a 2 years old child’s.”
Yes that was absolutely retarded.
“3. A show really deep, would have richard yelling at Jacob in absolutly justified anger: You fucking son of bitch, you are willing to kill most likely hundrets or thousand of innocent people as collateral damage just to refill your stock of human test rats so that your bet can go on, fuck you!!!! Youre no better than MIB. So don’t you dare to judge someone elses character as you are amorality in person, you asshole!!!”
That’s what I thought.
“4. How could smokie fake the death of himself as incarnation of isabella, when he can only be smoke OR a person at the same time. But inspite of that we could hear rollercoaster and screams simultaneously during his little show act.”
We can also hear rollercoaster when Locke Ness bumps into people.
Richard’s back story was good and the acting was great, but I
still pull my hair out every time someone says “I am the Black Smoke”.
No your not the Black Smoke! Fk..are you? Nooooo.
I hate all this philosophical biblical bull%^&* they introduced to the show. They might as well have made Santa Claus the true leader of the island and the reason he brought everyone there was to help him make toys.
“They might as well have made Santa Claus the true leader of the island and the reason he brought everyone there was to help him make toys.”
That would have been WAY better than anything I’ve seen in the last 4 seasons. I feel your pain about the philosophical, mystical, religious, BS. Geez, you think the writers were talking out their ass when they swore up and down there would be scientifically plausible answers for all the islands mysteries? I guess I’m just supposed to have forgotten they said that by now.
One Further ’sin’ of Lost is that by mixing it with mystical and religious bullshit the philosophy – if there ever was any above kindergarden level to begin with, i have my doubts – gets spoiled, debased and ‘infected’
.
OH, man, you didn’t, you did, fuck, shit, hell, dammit, what I mean is you had to go and say it didn’t you!!!!! “INFECTED”
Just paint QUARANTINE on the inside of your door! It will help!!
“They might as well have made Santa Claus the true leader of the island and the reason he brought everyone there was to help him make toys.”
That would explain the polar bears….
i’m really confused. all the comments on this site are made by people who HATE this show. why the hell are you all still watching it every week? if you hate it, don’t watch it. do something else.
We probably watch it for the same reason you have for being on this site!!!!!
First of all: lost lady and Joseph, you are really trying my patience. Please go spread your Lost love on the Fuselage or somewhere more appropriate.
THIS EPISODE WAS KORNY WITH A “KAY”.
They managed to turn what should have been an interesting story that we’ve been waiting years to hear into a cheap, dime-store novel. The only things we learned about Richard was that REALLY loved his wife and he was a weepy bitch in the 19th century too.
Amazing how this “hard sci-fi” show has gotten more and more mired in religious symbolism and magical characters. I kept looking for Jacob’s halo, but I guess they blew the effects budget on that fancy shipwreck scene. Nice to see another former Deadwood actor get some work, that man in black (how fucking original, by the way…) sure got to chew some scenery tonight.
The korniest thing of all was of course, Hurley talking to dead people again. All those spin wipes showing Maria Conchita Alonso disappearing and reappearing pushed the korn-o-meter right off the charts.
Well, at least Kate wasn’t in it…
Oh STFU Nico, if the ep was good it was good…You’re gonna go on every fucking blog 2moro and talk out the side of your mouth anyways…
Isn’t this blog for people who “USED” (and I use that term loosley) to love Lost more than pedo’s love oshkosh? Don’t discriminate when someone actually thinks an ep was good…All you want is everyone to agree with your jaded ass…Well the world don’t work like that…And you opinion sux anyway since you’re gonna go overboard to hate the episode anyway as not to damage your shitty mid-40’s net persona…People got the right to come on your shitty site and tell you they enjoyed the show your bleeding your ass to hate…
You suck!
Ok, the episode was NOT good. It was a melodramatic piece of shit that imparted NO new info, except to tell us the reason Richard is such a pussy is because of his poor dead wife. We already knew Richard came on the Black Rock ,we already knew that Jacob imparted him with the “gift” of immortality. This episode could have been made into one of those ladies novels they sell for a few bucks in the airport terminals to help female fliers keep their seats damp. Just another korny soap opera plot for the ladies. I’m starting to see why you still like the show so much Infected.
You’re right, it was not a great episode compared to what the show once was – but after 5.5 fucken years of this we got a small taste of… something.
You got a taste of a shitty Univision tele-novella is what you got. Only those aren’t quite as over acted and weepy.
100% agree with Nico. This episode sucked – provided no answers that we did not already know. Except the statute breaking/why is black rock in the jungle answer. Which was mind bogglingly stupid.
I thought the island would be at the bottom of the ocean and then suddenly rise up under the black rack to explain why the ship was so far inland. My hypothesis was so much cooler than what actually happened! >:(
@ace: I have to admit, judged by the basical story-structure and atmosphere of this episode we really “got a small taste of… something.” BUT…
-even then that something is not what we originally signed for, what we exspected it / were promised it would be 5 years ago. It’s not philosophical mystery scifi, but pure religious FANTASY
-We still got NO ANSWERS!!!
@Matt:
It was indeed!
specially with “what actually happened” being IMPOSSIBLE as it’s of ordinary nature!!
“I thought the island would be at the bottom of the ocean and then suddenly rise up under the black rack to explain why the ship was so far inland. My hypothesis was so much cooler than what actually happened!”
Ooo! I like that! You shoulda written them your idea seeing as how they write this show based on what the audience thinks/feels/criticizes rather than actually writing a storyline. Oh well. They failed yet again. Not a surprise.
look, i have hated this season as much as anyone. but the reason why i, and i presume the rest of you are here is that at one point we liked this show. this episode was a glimmer of those salad days.
I respectfully disagree. I thought it was an overwrought and unnecessary soap opera episode. “Oh Isabelle, my amour”… *barf* Strictly for the ladies.
Strictly for the ladies and closeted homos (infected) who like crapola melodrama.
Also, the good old days didn’t have the retarded Good vs. Evil religious overtones.
I’m not spreading anything, you obtuse charlatan. If an episode is good, and let’s face it, not many of them are, I will admit it. It wasn’t perfect, but compared to the rest of the season, it was pretty damn enjoyable.
Keep nitpicking the little things if it makes you feel better. I hear they’re casting for the role of the Comic Book Guy in a live action Simpsons movie. You’re about as picky as him, and probably just as fat, too.
Nitpicky is complaining about how many gun cocks per episode we get. As a matter of fact I NEVER complain about that type of thing. I don’t bitch about jungle treks (though they are annoying), about new characters, about ANY of the small things people complain about here all the time. I guess expecting the plot to move forward with 7 episodes left is too much to ask.
I guess when faced with an opinion that differs from yours, name calling is the best you can do. Very classy, did you go to Syracuse too?
It’s a new kind of troll. I haven’t identified the exact type yet. Kind of a concern/sleeper/agro troll hybrid.
They pretend they don’t like the show but they must admit this episode was “really good” then they show concern that you didn’t like it. Then they get dickish about it.
Just call them out. Don’t bother feeding them.
Lurker here, let me quickly comment on this:
Ignore any and all opinions that you can not ridicule in a genuinely funny way. Arguments with fans are only funny when you point out the shitfest that’s going on and they respond with “RICHARD ON HORSE = BEST EPISODE EVER,” as this rhetoric speaks for itself.
Equally, ignore opinions you don’t care about – they’ll leave faster.
I’m actually with Nico when this ep is concerned.
these guys will never be happy joseph. don’t bother.
Listen lady, I even liked this show when they were doing the whole “entering the numbers in the hatch” thing. Which is longer than many people here I assure you. Still, there was nothing great or even good about this episode. If you think so, good for you. I just don’t see why you’d be surprised to be in the minority when the website is called WHY LOST SUCKS for God’s sake.
I have to side with Nico. This episode sucked big time.
Better watch out, smart people are not welcome here tonight.
I like how the fanboys wander over when there’s a “good” episode to trash us for ripping the piece of shit. Anyone who thinks this was a good episode is smoking something. This was a feeble attempt at answering one of the unimportant questions, ie what happened to the rest of the statue. The way it was presented initially made it seem like a bigger deal. I would love to rip apart this episode, but there’s no time for that now.
CPT Preevyet
“Oh Captain, my Captain…”
Glad to see your still skulking around. I think I shall shoot you an email this weekend to see what is new in the world of Preevyet.
“I like how the fanboys wander over when there’s a “good” episode to trash us for ripping the piece of shit. Anyone who thinks this was a good episode is smoking something.”
You could almost compare it to the Battered Wife syndrome. They’ve been beaten down for so long that the one night when the husband doesn’t lash out they say “Well, you know, he’s still a pretty good guy.”
I can see how this ep would be appealing to certain groups (girls, younger viewers, etc.), but I’m in the camp that says too little, too late.
It just occurred to me that the reason I liked this episode so much might be b/c I was so high
I just got around to watching it and as much as it wasn’t as bad as a typical Lost episode, the timing of it just seems off. We should have been introduced to all of this earlier in the time line, not this late into the show. At this point I really don’t care that Richard liked to ride horses, kills a doctor, and had his wife die.
So now all of the Dharma stuff, Rousseau’s gang, fertility issues, hatches, time travel etc are pointless because it’s all just about two weirdos in some kind of power struggle on the island.
Thats exactly what I thought. Too little too late and total DEM.
“At this point I really don’t care that Richard liked to ride horses, kills a doctor, and had his wife die.”
Thank you for stating what should be obvious to all. It’s getting to the point where people expect so little from this show, that all the writers need to do is not put Kate in an episode. Then even the people on this site apparently think it was wonderful.
fuck the writers!!! they cheated every one with the hell theory….
It’s not hell.
It’s about Smokie being a fallen angel from heaven – maybe even Lucifer. Jacob is a good angel sent from heaven to battle him – I think.
God I hope you’re wrong, because that is the lamest thing I’ve heard in a while (not to mention totally over done).
Also, Richard only reverted back to the HELL thing (because of his temp insanity) because of the original lie Smokie told him in the beginning. He now know it is not Hell – It is a type of battle ground / test of character on Earth.
Hell or not is no longer important……..there’s no rule for such supernatural thing. You can create whatever theory you want.
The alt-reality thing is what the Losties will be doing once they save the planet, and revert back to their “normal” lives / reality, without any memory of what happen on the Island. In their minds – it never happened.
There it is – THE END.
Yeah….That’s a great story. Thx ace!
“So now all of the Dharma stuff, Rousseau’s gang, fertility issues, hatches, time travel etc are pointless because it’s all just about two weirdos in some kind of power struggle on the island.”
Exactly. The first five seasons were apparently a big red herring. It’s good v. evil stupid, that’s the real story.
I still say that there is an even higher being or beings that sent those two dipshits there in the first place. So what does that give us? More inane assholes that we could give a fuck less about! With mommy and daddy issues ta boot…..
I guess that’s what Widmore’s supposed to be
I was thinking god-like more so than human type, but then who the hell knows eh?????
at some point they had to give richard’s history, just like everyone else, to explain his motivations. i agree, this episode should have happened earlier, but you can’t say this was bad.
Can and will say it was bad, for all the many reasons that have already been stated.
The episode was good:
-No flash sideways
-Had a cool historical aspect to it
-No undesirables (Kate, Claire, Jack)
But it should’ve been better, as someone pointed out, show how Richard trains the others from the 1860’s to the 1950’s…
But I would like to point out that the episode at least did a great job of creating tensions and a sense of tragedy. Like when Richard’s wife died, pretty good. If it was a Jack episode, he’d get into another tiny argument with his dad. And the scene where he was trying to take off the chains made u sympathize with him, Jack would’ve just kicked a hole in the side of the ship.When the Ship crashed into the statue, Jack would’ve kicked that down too. Man in Black? Jack’d give him the beat down. And he’d probably shoot Jacob as he was coming out of the jungle as well. God I hate Jack.
For one of the most anticipated stories of the series, ie, Richard’s story, the Black Rock story, the broken statue story, more MIB and Jacob backstory, and for the love of god a continuation of the overall story with only 7 episodes left, this was horse shit. I’m still left wondering if it was a shitty director or something? or the same writers that came up with the 911 towers can be destroyed with rocket fuel. seriously?! who wrote this episode roland emmirich directed by uwe boll? most good movies are about 120 mins, with a 46 min episode the biggest arch was richard becomes jacob’s man because of his regret for killing someone accidentally and apparently the capability of a spanish slave ship destroying a stone statue estimated to be over 100ft? maybe if there was a better shot of like the tidal wave hitting it or something, and a side shot. i’m not being picky its just fing stupid; also the blatant idiocidy behind richard not being able to use his feet or even try to use his feet? horrible director.
I’m so glad I found this site. This is my first comment. Yay!
The BR had tons of highly explosive dynamite in it. That could explain how the wooden ship blew up the rock statue.
But how to then explain the tons of dynamite still remaining on the black rock after the crash?
Through all that flying, exploding (possibly), crashing and landing, so many survived without as much as a scar on any of them.
There’s no reason for a slave ship to even be carrying dynamite!
I already told ya – ABC must have taken over the entire show! fuck-it.
What’s the matter Infected? There was a female, Hispanic character in this episode. Can’t come up with anything as clever as “mexicunt”?
Nope, mexicunt was gold I’d say, to top it would be to take away from it’s overall glory…
Anyways…
Ep was great, you know it, you just suck…You know what I’m done for now…Some of you sicken me…I never wanted to be a troll (anti-troll that is), but I saw how people who actually have rational arguments supporting the show are treated here…
It’s clear the “Titans” here are gonna steer anything positive or appreciative in LOSTs favor right into the shitter, so I’m out til I’m in…
Rather or not some people think I’m cool or a bored loser troll…I’ll never get the joy of loving this show as much as you, who love it so much all you can do is fuckrag it even when it’s ACTUALLY GOOD….
So The Island is guiding me out this bitch for now…
Last but not least:
Fuck Nico Suxmommi…
Fuck Smokie Not Locke…
and FUCK Plimp with a motorized razerblade dildo (Don’t worry he’ll LOVE that)…
BOOM
BLACKJESUS
Yes, the episode in which the major characters barely appeared in it (even though there’s only 7 episodes left) was the best ever. That makes perfect sense and shouldn’t bother anybody at all.
I mean, all that great acting with the weeping and gnashing of teeth and crying out “Oh Isabelle, my amour” to the heavens certainly in no way takes away from the total lack of the plot moving forward (did I mention there was only 7 episodes left?).
And we certainly shouldn’t be upset with the writers continued use of religious, God vs. Devil, good vs. evil, black vs. white imagery as an excuse for answers to questions they never actually bothered to come up with.
BEST EPISODE EVER!
Did I suck the writer’s dicks enough for you infected?
By the way genius, I guess you shouldn’t really expect to find praise of ANY episode at a site called WHY LOST SUCKS being very well received. Kinda’ makes sense, don’t it?
@Who gives a fuck who starred in the episode, if it’s good it’s good and if your LOSTLOVING aSS can’t get out the shitter to even give credit on an ep even your loyal LOSTSUX members even credit, that just shows who the fuck you are and your agenda…
You say you don’t know what’s on network TV? CHANGE YOUR FUCKING CHANNEL YOU OLD RELIC!
Maybe if you had somewhat of a credible or justifiable contextual understanding of what LOST is verses what LOST isn’t you’d (Despite your ripe hate) could at the very least give credit when credit is do, but no you”re the bored loser whose gonna watch a show for 4 more consecutive seasons and pretend there’s absolutely nothing at all you enjoy on any level…
That’s why you’re a fag Nico! that’s why YOU SUCK! Now go diss LOST on 30 other blogs you insufferable hump…
Gonna chide me for coming on a LOSTSUX blog, where do you go?? I saw you’re name far before I ever saw this site you poser! Now do what you do, go and LOVELOST all over the net!
lol at:
BOOM
BLACK JESUS
(up above the troll fight)
Oh my, I thought you went away… you really are bored aren’t you? Repeatedly using the word “fag” makes me wonder what’s going on in your closet, so to speak. Say hello to R. Kelly.
It also makes me wonder why you’ve saved such scorn and derision for me specifically. At least half the other posters tonight have basically leveled EXACTLY the same criticisms at this as episode as me. You seem to have a problem with people who aren’t impressed with how clever and funny you are.
It’s 2010 gramps, Fag doesn’t just mean gay (Except in Plimp’s case), google “South Park and fag” …
And keep brushing under the rug you’re addiction with posting on all the lost blogs you want to diss…FakeLocke ass…
What other blogs? Seriously? I think I posted on Pop-Eater a few months ago. I sometimes show up on the SI boards or maybe ESPN. I’m certainly not talking about Lost there. Please feel free to Google me or whatever you like. All you’re going to find is a bunch of Above The Law references and real Italian dudes named Toscani.
By the way, we all know that watching South Park proves somebody is SUPER SMART. That makes you almost as smart as going to Syracuse. I watch South Park and while it’s certainly funny, I wouldn’t exactly take all my cultural cues from it. I would feel kind of dumb.
PS) Does being 38 really qualify me for the “gramps” title? Cool…
Well your pretty close. I am fifty and my oldest grandkid is nine.
Is Infected a writer on the show? I tend to just scan his corny comments, same as I only pay about a quarter attention to the show while it’s on. And his comments are about just as well written…
BOOM
Dork
“BOOM
Dork”
I like you better every week Michelle. Thank you.
Scan my colon Michelle…
Don’t bother scanning his colon. All you’ll find is some old gerbil skeletons and his own finger.
Lemmywinks!
Yes, this season is FUBAR. However, the good news is that we are getting closer to the END… and making fun of it with the most sarcastic group, possibly in history, kind of makes up for it. Thanks for this site!
Wud I do diss time. Sorry about your luck dude but you can like LOST all you want and I could give a rats ass less. Also if you think you can get my goat or even get me a little riled up by your futile comments, your only fooling yourself. I am a little to old for that kiddie shit. Your welcome to go ahead and try though. You trolls really crack me up!!!!!
Join Michelle in scanning my colon…
Is that how you get your jollys, by having people look up your ass? Kinda kinky but I think I will pass…..
I love watching the members here destroy Infected. It’s like beating up a paraplegic.
We went from Sun asking:
“Where’s my husband”
to
Richard saying a few times”
“I waan my wy ”
I’m sure that’s going to be a recurring theme towards the end. Just a massive beach orgy.
GODFUCKENDAMMITSONOFAFUCKINBITCH, I sure as hell hope not!!!!!
sand in vaginas
There are people talking about the Hell theory back in 2008….
cantuar.blogspot.com/2008/02/is-abcs-lost-commentary-on-heaven-hell.html
If this is the case Lockes dad had it pegged a long time ago…..
The Writers denied the Purgatory theory long long time ago…..and now they bring up the hell theory……fuck you!!!
lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Purgatory_%28debunked_theory%29
Probably just another red herring. I’m SURE they will stick to their statement that there’s a plausible scientific theory behind everything on the show.
I’m calling it. The big reveal at the end, what the show was all about….Sea Monkeys.
Yep, thats pretty scientific. For this shitfest anyways…..
SIMPSONS DID IT!
SIMPSONS DID IT!
Well lets just pick up our plates and go eat in the hollow castle…..
“purgatory” is a pretty good description for the way the island was depicted today…
How ’bout this:
it’s…….. Selective Purgatory Island!
Starring:
Job the tortured Polar Bear!
(next year’s mid-season spin-off)
Purgatory is a pretty good description for the show.
The writers seem to think the only way out of a hole is to keep digging. If they thought hell was an easy way out of scientific explanations, they got another thing coming.
For one, what happens when you die on the island? Do you live? What do compass bearings have to do with getting on or off the island. How can scientists and soldiers come and go as the please, but a massive black smoke monster can’t?
I think last week’s episode was better. The main difference is that the hot woman last week got frisky when she got horizontal. This week she’s all sweaty and ill. Eyeliner guy story was an abbreviated mess of who cares.
Eyeliner’s story was like those background explanatory sequences of how a superhero became who they are – but done without any care or enthusiasm.
I’ve told better campfire ghost stories plus you gotta have smores if you’re telling devil tales to the kiddies. Borderline gun cockin from Ilana.
So Hanso the captain sailed into a statue. There’s got to be a female driver joke in that somewhere. Ah yes, he was passed out below and his wife was at the wheel during the storm.
So this episode was “Welcome to my own personal Hell” by Richardus
Ho hum…
And JenniferLoveHewitt is the one and only ghostwhisper. I’ll take her boobs over Hurleys no matter how hard ABC tries to convince me otherwise.
Yeah…..watching boobs is better than watch fucking Lost
Better watch out Trenton, you’re criticisms make too much sense. You’re about to have 5 people tell you how GREAT this episode was just because it didn’t feature Kate or Claire. Plus, expecting the plot to advance is SO nit-picky. How dare you criticize the Ricky Ricardo episode, with it’s Emmy worthy performance by Luis from Suddenly Susan. BEST EPISODE EVER!
sorry, its not “it’s”.
But it’s “it’s not “it’s”” not “its not “it’s””.
Lucy goddammit you got some splainen to do!!!!!
The Richard boob grab on Hurley was pretty epic. Hurley looked shocked.
Apparently the message between the lines is that the devil is a recovering alcoholic judging by the smashed wine jug. Certainly his acting looked hung over and groggy eyed. Drunks are always telling you how much they love you or how much they hate you… lots of that in the episode.
Well, he was drunk a lot in Deadwood and from what I could tell he’s still playing the same character.
I can’t take seriously any actor who sounds exactly like the generic, platitude spewing sportscaster Al Trautwig.
Amen to that. A mobster sounding accent straight out of the Jersey area.
Holy schnikes! He DOES sound like that fuck-face Trautwig! I think we’ve stumbled upon something sinister here folks…
*red lasers appear all over shirt* AAAAAHHHHHHHGGGGG!!!
Wait, there were a lot of subtitles. That makes it good right? Kind of like one of those foreign films on IFC than I’m too unsophisticated to understand. Oh boy the writers are geniuses after all!
Everybody knows reading is good for your brain. That’s why I read the sports section in the Trib every Sunday. Keeps me super smart.
The final word on this episode: Despite some fine, scenery chewing acting by Nestor Carbonell (and how many good performances have we seen wasted on this crappy show?); this episode still sucked. Anybody who thinks it was somehow better than anything else this season has been sold a bill of goods. I might have liked parts of this episode had it aired, oh say in season 3. Instead I got more filler, more wasted time, and with only 7 episodes left to attempt wrapping this mess up. This episode proves once and again that the writers are trying desperately to hold on to and please the female viewers; which is about all they really have left. How else to you explain an episode which was essentially a Spanish Language soap opera meets Ghost Whisperer?
Well, that’s just like, your opinion, man.
Did you ever find a new rug that pulled the room together as well as the old one? Eh, fuck it- have a Caucasian or an oat soda while you mull it over.
nice.
This will not stand! You know, man?
if they continue to prolong episodes more and more from now on maybe we’ll get even a seventh season within the remaining episodes, since they obviously need more time to not answer anything.
chill the eff out. you will never be happy. seriously. stop watching.
Make me.
Ya why did they make the show all girly (not to imply it wasn’t girly from the get go, just that it is now girly in its entirety)
It still sucked. A fucking cork? Are you fucking kidding me? The fan boys waited fucking six years for that answer? They wont even bother to explain why the lsland is cork, that is about the best answer you’re going to get. This show is going to add more mystery on top of mystery til the final few seconds of this show. It will fade into blackness and that’ll be it boom LOST and you’ll have to draw your own conclusions.
Sopranos ending? How about a DEADWOOD ending – none!
Let’s not talk about the lack of a proper ending for Deadwood. I’ll start to cry like Richard thinking of his poor, lost Isabelle.
Haha yes.
Also, if the cork, or Island, keeps evil from coming into the world…WHY IS THERE SO MUCH FUCKING SUFFERING CAUSED BY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD?
I just want to know one thing! IS THERE ONLY A BUNCH OF FUCKING CRYBABYS ON THIS SHOW OR WHAT????? Every time I think, hey I kinda like that fucker, he turns into a fuckin crybaby!!!!! Here I got all kinds of jonsed up for this episode, and what do they give us????? Another fucking crybaby. Jesus Christ, I can’t believe this bullshit. I mean come, fucking, on, here for christs sakes alive, thats the best they could do??? I guess what really pisses me off the most is myself. I went and got myself all kinds of worked up hoping and praying that they would do Richard right, and they make him another Jack-ass, Kate, John Locke, Sawyer, Claire, Fairygay fucking crybaby, needing mamas titty baby!!!!! Give me a break!!!!! A guy sure would think that after more than a hundred fucking years he would get over it for Christs sake. Hell it only took crybaby Sawyer two days!!!!! I guess I’m so mad because, I should have known better then to even think these cock suckers had it in them to write one more really good episode….. I think the daytime soap operas have this shit beat all to hell. The only thing we really learned was that Richard had a wife that died. Well boo fucking hoo. The ship taking out the statue was fucking lame, Jacob was lame, smokie was almost lame, and worst of all they turned the next to last decent charactor on this piece of shit show into a whiney little bitch, just like the rest of them. I guess I am truely ate up with the dumb-ass through and through. So go ahead Infected tear me a new one, I deserve it…..
Yes SMOKIE, it seems they have settled on trying to please the Twilight loving crowd. More crying over lost love, more dramatic music, absolutely ZERO plot.
Dude Lost turned into a soap opera long ago. Jack and Kate fell in love what, in the third episode? What about Jack and his drug addiction? That has no bearing on the island whatsoever
I guess I liked this episode b/c I know we’ll never get anything better, and at least it was all on island, and we got a little glimpse into the islands past.
Is it perfect? No
Have I seen worse? Yes, Jack’s tatoo.
Did they shove religion down my throat up until and including that tree of life scene? Yes
On second thought, the Ford SHO commercials were much better that this episode. The asshole writers have wasted Nine excruciating MOBISODES to tell a story that could fit in two! MY life wasting away with this ABC type CRAP!
Oh, it is ABC!
at least you’ll know to avoid it in the future
I finally figured it out- Lost is Superjail. It all makes sense now.
for the characters, or for the viewers?
Thanx for the laughs y’all. My 1st post, hopefully there WON’T be more in the weeks to come.
you’ll be back
You know…the only reason why we ever thought richard was interesting was because we didn’t know anything about him. Now it feels like I went on a really bad date with someone I had a crush on.
So he’s a piece of shit like everyone else who’s been lied to back and forth by a couple of bored assholes who just make random shit up to see if they can control people. So pick your church. It doesn’t matter. They’re both shit.
It was the same reaction when I found out who the others were, and the other others, etc. All show and no results.
Wait, they really explained who the other were?
Well, I meant when I saw a bunch of filthy jungle people wearing rags I went: “THOSE pathetic assholes are who I’m supposed to be afraid of? How utterly pedestrian”.
I really never thought of it like that, but you are absolutely right. I liked him because he was mysterious. It wasn’t that at all. It was just because I was caught up in everybody elses inane convoluted bullshit that Richard kind of slipped through the cracks and I liked him because he wasn’t really around enough to even get to know.
These ‘pieces of shit’ are the biggest, purest, dumbest, most blindly following fanatics ever to be seen in the history of culture.
The 9/11 pilots had atleast a clue why they were following a caveman!
I don’t know about you but this show would be so much better if instead of Hurley talking to dead people, it was
Jennifer Love Hewitt.
I mean who’d you rather see on a tropical island at the beach. Come on…seriously….
Her body is a wonderland.
JLH?
really?
Chihuaua Girl?
One thing I don’t understand about the statue being destroyed by the Black Rock ship — Jacob told Riccccardo (my attempt to roll my c’s) that Jacob himself caused the ship to arrive on the island, but he did so in a way that caused the ship to thoroughly decimate his own home! Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Jacob live inside the statue or something or maybe that was a different foot Ben went into to snuff him out. And when Jacob cold cocked Riccccardo on the beach, he didn’t say anything like “Hey you’re one of the a—holes who destroyed my statue mansion!” “Oooooooooof!”
Besides that, during the first part of the episode taking place in the Canary Islands, I thought I had accidently changed the channel to TNT and was watching “Zorro the Gay Blade” but I didn’t see the guy from “Love at First Bite” anywhere so I soon realized I was incorrect. And for a few seconds, I was sure that the priest who refused Ricccardo any forgiveness was Bernard; there are so many damn crossovers with characters on this show, it’s difficult not to be on the alert for it.
I really loved how they made sure that the audience saw the exact chapter and verse Ricccardo was reading in his prison cell — something in Matthew but I didn’t care enough to notice further, hopefully it was the part detailing how John the Baptist was beheaded.
And I could be wrong about this (maybe I am just way too cynical) but, as the subtitled scenes dragged on, I could have sworn that the actor was playing Riccccardo was just flapping his lips randomly and a Spanish voiceover was dubbed in. I guess that Carbonell dude is of Hispanic background, but he was born in New York. I got the same impression with Hurley’s few Spanish lines at the close of the episode.
Jacob must have the lung capacity of an orca, as he didn’t drown – he’s mortal, you remember – while the 300 foot wave regorged over the statue, where he most likely resided during an apocalyptic storm, although the door and probably also the big chimney-hole over the fireplace in the roof of Jacobs foot-lounge don’t seem to be what you can call water tight.
“And for a few seconds, I was sure that the priest who refused Ricccardo any forgiveness was Bernard; there are so many damn crossovers with characters on this show, it’s difficult not to be on the alert for it.”
What the hell was up with that priest? When you’re giving pastoral counseling to a guy who’s about to be executed, I don’t think you’re supposed to kick him in the nuts by telling him that’s he’s going to hell. That’s pretty harsh, even for Catholics.
Lol… yeah, couldn’t he have given him a few Hail mary’s or something? And didn’t the priest even laught at him? Jeez.
By the way, what the hell did I miss? I was washing dishes at some point during the show so I didn’t see the part with him getting to the island. But wasn’t there debris all over the beach? How could the black rock be in one piece miles inland when there’s debris all over the coastline? What the hell was that shit?
And this whole “corking” evil theory (their story of the week, apparently) is utterly ridiculous. Look at what a fucked up world we have out here! Fine job the island does, huh? But I’ve personally always enjoyed what’s in the bottle so much more than what plugs it up. I usually throw the corks away.
Let’s see if I understood that correctly:
Jacob the ’shiny’ one’s purpose on the island is mainly to prevent smokie the ‘dark’ one from leaving the island and destroying the world or buying them all tickets to hell or whatever by simply being alive and present. Since smokie can’t kill him jacob can fulfill his task simply by hanging around on the island and chilling in the sun with no chace for smokie ever to break free. Sounds relaxed.
So the best thing to do to live up to this your responsibility is to start a silly, meaningless and inhumane, barbaric bet and experiment, therby artifically introducing an element, that actually provides smokie with a way off the island for the first time atall:
Other persons not obliged to follow “the rules”, therefor being able to kill you!
Jacob should really run for a job on LOSTs writing staff! His mentality would be a perfect match!
ok. good call on that.
I was wondering the same thing. As Jacob, you are safe in the own world. The cork on the bottle is tight and he deliberately shakes the bottle to build up pressure on the cork? He knows Smokie is trying to kill him and get out of the island. He knows Smokie manipulates people into doing things for him and he brings in more people for Smokie to manipulate however he wishes?
And whats with Jacob declaring he doesn’t manipulate people? If you have brought people into the island when they never wanted to be there, then HELLO, thats the definition of manipulation. He manipulates Hurley into taking Jack to the lighthouse and to “get” him to think. I am pretty sure the ghost Isabella who whispered to Hurley was another of Jacob’s manipulations :-p.
One of the things I felt watching last night’s episode and later when I read through all these comments was literally “Is this really LOST?”. It felt like a different show altogether. How did we get from people lost on a island with mysteries showing up at every nook and corner to 2 Supernatural beings manipulating wills? I feel dazed.
I still liked the episode – because as someone said it felt like a glimmer from one of those good old days. Or maybe its because I’m a female and this episode was catered to hormonal creatures, as somebody accused (well, I do hate the triangle and all characters associated with the triangle :-p). Again as somebody said, my expectations have been crushed again and again so bad that I am like a dog who’s happy with the little amount of scraps it gets. It felt like an episode from the initial seasons acting-wise atleast. So writers, this time the nostalgia thing you played with my emotions worked.
Believe me, I still think Lost sucks (look at me trying to pacify you guys like a Lost-sucks guy on a Lost-lovers board
), but after many many episodes, this was the first time I wasn’t hopping mad about not getting any answers or on account of all the contradicting stuff that I myself mentioned above :-\. Looks like I am still addicted. LA (Lostaholics anonymous) anyone?
Thank you for explaining why you liked the episode (despite the many flaws you agree with) without feeling the need to gush or call people names. Hormonal or not, you are a cool lady…
Excellent analysis!
They stole MY story!
you know…from That Book!
like spinner
Not seen yesterday’s shit yet, but wanted to comment on a message from last week:
Comment by SMOKIE NOT LOCKE
2010-03-23 11:12:06
“OK, so way back when, I remember Richard telling Sun and Frank that he saw all the people in the picture die. Now he could have just seen that they were in dharma gear and figured they died in the purge. The funny thing is, that it wasn’t that long before he actually ran across one of them. I think that probably would have been Sawyer. Not to long after he was cut down by John Not John. To have seen these people die, he sure didn’t seem to suprised to see Sawyer in the jungle. Of course watching the show for as long as we have, we know asking questions to get any kind of a satisfactory answer is completely out of the question! Anyway in the real world with even a half assed unintelligent hillbilly such as myself, if I was to see somebody die and then sometime in the future see this person again, I do believe I would at least look surprised and be asking a question or two, no matter what was going on at that particular time. Well, maybe his encounter with John Not John really shook him up and he didn’t recognize Sawyer. Not to long after that though, he runs across Jack-ass and Hugo, and still nothing, Not even a bat of an eyelid. When they were in the Blackrock and crybaby Jack-ass said that it was time to answer a few questions, Richard should have been saying “how the hell are you even here, I saw all you fucks die, so fuck you I aint answering shit!””
What you’re neglecting is that if you’ve been on the island for as long as Richard has, you’d know that death is always a temporary matter. This would however not explain why Richard didn’t tell Sun “I saw them all die. But don’t worry. Most people who have flashbacks, flash forwards and flash sideways are resurrected randomly”
The whole show is random shit. Oh, and it doesn’t matter right now, because we don’t have enough time, and never ask me that again because we got some serious jungle trekking to do with lots of gun cocking so we can make up for this shitty episode that didn’t have any in it…..
I like how Hurley is now conveniently a ghost whisperer because Miles wouldn’t have been able to decode a dead person’s soul’s Castillan Spanish.
Oh, and in a strange coincidence, Walt from Breaking Bad made a passing comment about Tenerife on last sunday’s season opener. “Tenerife” happened to be this week’s setting for Uncle Rico’s backstory.
Haha I noticed that same thing and mentioned it to a friend of mine who watches Breaking Bad but not Lost because he thought the very pilot episode sucked. He does however intend to watch the series finale to ascertain just how shit it is.
Hah, during “Ricardo’s life on 19-century Tenerife” I waited all time for it to end, but to my surprise, It actually went on until everything was really told.
Loved it!
But Hurley & Isabella thing was again forced drama Lost tries to make irritatingly much.
Still, hopes went up a bit.
I recommend you watch some more Spanish language costume dramas on Univision. They would be right up your alley if you liked this episode.
Nico you know what your problem is? You’re not stoned enough. To fully appreciate Lost you have to be really stoned.
this episode was good because:
“Do you still think you’re dead?”
“stop.”
Yes, yes I do, because this episode killed me…..
OK, here we go again. I don’t really know what I was expecting, but it was a hell of a lot more then what they gave us. Thats for sure. Well, thats just my opinion and we all know how far that will get you. I posted last night before reading any of the comments everybody else made. I was fraustrated at the show and down right pissed off at the writers. I felt ripped off by those bastards because I actually thought they were going to do Richard some justice, but hell no, they turned him into a crybaby blithering idiot. Just like the rest of the cast. I know, I should have known better, so its my own fault. After I posted my rant I went back and read everybodys comments, and suprisingly, there were quite a few of you that liked it. For those of you that did. I am glad that you did, good for you and I sure don’t want to bust anybodys bubble. So anything I say, please don’t take it take it to heart because it is just the opinion of a mad hillbilly that happens to be ate up with the dumbass most of the time. I went and got all worked up over nothing but a stupid fucking show that I feel lacks in every way, shape, and form. I feel the acting was just OK at best. I say this because they went and totally fucked up one of the last good ones they had left. I have always felt that Nestor Carbonell is a great actor, but if alls they give you is shit to act on. Well I feel he did the best he could with what he had to work with. As for the Man in black and Jacob they are OK but they brought them in so late in the game I really haven’t seen them enough to really give a shit about either one of them. I think that the show has gotten so fucken bad, and the fans still have so much hope, them fuckers are able to make themselves shine with just a half assed episode and have everybody praising them for it. Whats so bad about this is the show is that horrible that it has people believing this was a good episode, because it was poor at best. Like I said before thats just my take on it and it does not mean jack shit to anybody but me when all the black smoke clears out…..
We all feel the same way about the episode, just approaching it from different sides. You and Nico et. al. hated it because it was not as good as it could’ve/should’ve been. Dee, Lost Lady, and I loved it because it was so much better than the crap we’d had to put up with up until now. You expect better, whereas we have accepted that beggars can’t be choosers
“COOL”
The Ginger’s have no soul. LOST wasn’t on last night but a Mexican Soap Opera was. It was hilarious when The Priest told Ricardo that he couldn’t get forgiveness for the murder and he couldn’t do pennance either. We’ve examined all of the evidence and it looks like you are on your way to hell. Thanks for stopping by Father. Then he sells his ass into the British Navy, Laugh Out Loud AND laughing out loud till ass falls off while rolling on the floor…(lolloltafowrflmao)…well actually I just sat there and didnt do much of anything…(waijstaddmoa)…I did change channels once and look at the weather…(idccoalatw)…
The Ginger’s have no soul indeed. You could tell by what a slut the archaeologist was last week.
I like sluts.
Loved it.
Hated it. Ab Ae-turd-o.
Wow, how insightful… At least you didn’t tell us all how much you loved it by calling us all “fags”. Care to elaborate?
Really no need for the hostility, is there?
Actually, I REALLY was happy you didn’t call us “fags”. It shows a modicum of intelligence and class. I thank you.
Better than What Kate Does.
So yeah, as people pointed out, Jacob keeps bringing people on the island despite the fact his enemy either murders them or tries to manipulate them into murdering him. All that simply because he wants to prove his point. And despite the fact he’s well, only tasked with keeping the world safe against Eeeeevil.
Three words, Jacob: “get over it”. Stop bringing people on the island already.
Oh, and he let the Black Rock crew get murdered because he’s really intent on proving his point, and he doesn’t want to intervene. “I shouldn’t force them to do anything, or tell them what’s right or wrong!” Yeah, but we were actually wondering why you didn’t help them. Not why you didn’t lecture them. “They had to help themselves!” Against a Murderous Smoke Monster? All right, then.
So he won’t step in, as that would be cheating and render the whole bet meaningless… but giving orders and lists of people to kidnap through Richard, that’s A-OK. Really? And you offer Richard this job in exchange for eternal life, too? Well, it doesn’t sound like you’re cheating at all, indeed. That whole thing sounds well worth jeopardizing the world as we know it.
If the Smoke Monster could use anybody to kill Jacob, how come it took over a century (after Richard, that is… before that, that’s yet another matter) to finally succeed? I mean, we’re talking about a shapeshifting entity, here. And Jacob keeps bringing new people on the island (and he’s being an ass to them, too). ‘Shouldn’t have been thaaaat difficult.
Oh, but maybe it was because Jacob then decided to stay inside the statue where no one can go in unless he invites them! … But then, what was the “loophole” Jacob’s enemy supposedly found? In the end, it was up to Jacob. And it was also Jacob who decided not to kick Ben’s ass like he did Richard’s. I’m not seeing your “loophole”, Smokie.
Other than that…
‘Guess that ship we saw in the season 5 finale was just another ship. Since it was day-time. And it wasn’t raining.
Of course the Black Rock crash-landed up way inland after destroying the statue. That seems reasonable. Especially with dynamite on board.
The first mate’s journal? Dated 1845? Found 7 years later? Well, it was about a journey that took place in 1867 at the earliest. Go figure.
Ilana wasn’t so sure about which Kwon was the candidate (because Jacob is an idiot and didn’t think that was important to mention)… but now, she is, apparently. It’s Sun. OK, then.
Richard suddenly decides that the dynamite trick wasn’t so convincing after all, and what the hell! He’ ll just up and join the Eeeevil guy he’s been working against for over a century. The same guy he rejected a few episodes ago. Why? Well, why not?!
Ah. Lost.
The loophole I’m most concerned about is the one where “you have to kill him before he says a word to you. If he says a word to you, it’s too late.” This is just moronic. The writers needed a completely artificial “rule” that would help build suspense, so that’s what they came up with. Pretty weak.
That’s clearly not a rule, Raptus, seeing as how Ben was able to kill Jacob despite him having said many, many words to him. MiB didn’t want Jacob to speak because he would have persuaded him (as he successfully did) not to kill him.
1. This “don’t let him speak meme” has been used at least twice now, so it seems to me that it’s as much of a “rule” as “a circle of ash keeps away the smoke monster” or “we have to keep pushing the button or something terrible will happen.” If characters on the show keep bringing it up, then, well, what are we supposed to think?
2. I don’t understand why people keep saying that Jacob is dead. He’s still hanging around the island and interacting with folks (Hurley, MIB), so that doesn’t really fit the definition. He may no longer have a physical body (for the time being), but since he’s been presented as some kind of demigod that whole “body” issue is practically meaningless. Especially since he can still screw around with folks and drive the plot.
I thought Jacob was more “Obi-Wan-Kenobi” dead, than really dead. After all, you couldn’t completely burn up a human body to ashes in a wood burning fire pit unless you had DAYS to do it. Even then, it would be some seriously CHUNKY ash (like, rib bones sticking out of it chunky).
However, then Miles was presented with a nice, finely grained bag of ash that he proceeded to “read”. So I guess either the writers think we’re dumb (highly probable) or they themselves are absolutely retarded (I consider this an obvious fact).
Nico, I believe your last observation (that the writers are retarded) is the correct one. I thought that about the ash as well – but also, Locke was dead in a non-cooled room in an open casket for DAYS (if not weeks) without any signs of bloating, skin slippage, or other signs of decomposition. I thought maybe he’d been embalmed but discounted it because I thought then that he was going to come back to life. But then after being in the blazing sun after crashing again on the island, he FINALLY started to get a bit stinky! So he wasn’t embalmed and it was just another example of sloppy writing/research/continuity and whatever else they are guilty of! Such a frickin’ shame!
Too bad the you-cant-kill-me rule wasn’t a time loop, like Jacob is MIBs dad, and he travelled forward in time to imprison his son, so if MIB kills his dad (Jacob), he will indirectly kill himself by causing a time paradox.
The same goes for the numbers, travel forward in time and find a number which connects a bunch of random people, and fuck up their lives. The valenzetti eqn thing is gay.
WOW!!! Thats pretty clever I like it, sure does beat the hell outta what them fucks are throwin at us…..
The time travel is RIGHT THERE!! Use it for christs sake. Don’t waste it on such novelties as exploring Jack and Kate’s common law partnership.
God I love this site. It’s the only place I can find a sane discussion about this show. Last night’s episode was god damned retarded for all the reasons everyone’s already stated.
One observation…it appears that MIB’s only means of killing Jacob is by tricking other people to do so. If Jacob’s main goal is to keep MIB from escaping, why doesn’t he just stop bringing people to the island? Or preemptively coach them on the mainland so they won’t be tricked?
Boom, problem solved. Jacob, you are a dipshit deity.
just saw that someone already pointed this out above….sorry for being repetitive.
For a minute there I thought Hurley was gonna pull a Whoopi Goldberg from Ghost and make out with Richard. Thats Academy Award material right there. Jacob washes away Ricardo’s sins, Lord have mercy, haleluja! Enough with pseudo Christian crap, we’ve all had enough with Aslan and those lemon Narnia movies. Although if the island was Narnia it would explain the polar bears (and Mr Tumnus from Driveshaft). Funny how Tenerife has the same tropical jungle as Hawaii and the South Pacific. So Richard needed that expensive white powder for his wife to live… Really he was just getting his party supplies for when she died – he’s finally free get his makeup on and party with his boys like its 1889. I was so shocked to see a hispanic man kill for expensive white powder. I expected to see at least one musket cocking this episode. “Were you following me?” I guess it was hard for Richard to notice a 400 pound man wearing a red tshirt lumbering through the jungle after him. I really hope Ana Lucia comes back in an ALT and has a torrid affair with Richard, only to find out they are related. Then spend an episode exploring their family trees resulting in their mongoloid freak incest child who at the BOOM ending you realise is Kate.
I dunno about the rest of you guys, but I found that highly entertaining.
That would explain why Kate has such a fugly, ferret face.
Its a hell of a lot better and funnier then what them cornhole loving writers from LOST can put out!!!!!
Believe it or not, I thought the same thing when I saw that scene with Richard, Hurley and Isabella. Oh well, the writers were probably giving homage to Ghost like they do to every movie they’ve ever seen and every novel they’ve ever read :-p.
“I guess it was hard for Richard to notice a 400 pound man wearing a red tshirt lumbering through the jungle after him.”
Oh man, I am dyin’ here. How slow would Richard have to be going for Hurley to keep up? And speaking as someone whose belly has occasionally hung over my belt, why would a fat man ever brave the tropical heat to go on a jungle trek of questionable value when he could just as easily sit in the shade, stare at the ocean, and wait for one of the island’s hot chicks to walk by? I’m guessing Hurley doesn’t even want to walk twenty feet out of camp to take a dump, much less track a crazy man with rape eyes to the other side of the island.
“…rape eyes…” That’s hysterical AND a perfect name for a shitty punk band.
“rape eyes” thats really good.
I thought it was funny how Hurley only translated the first line (I guess the rest was implied) – how funny would it be to hear Hurley say the words “mmm… Richard, my love”- or would he have used Hurlistic licence and said “yeah, she loves ya dude”.
[This is my first rant here because this episode just drove me over the top, but I've been coming to this site every time I watch an episode on Hulu this season...]
WTF! This was the WORST EPISODE EVER.
I am so sick and tired of this Good Vs. Evil Steven King BS that the show has become. It is so clearly a different direction than the what the show started with, very amateurish and without any of the cool sci-fi vibe that the show had at first. It’s just so stupid cliche and boring. I used to really like and care for the characters, even the annoying ones, but at this point the plot is so ridiculous and stupid that I don’t give a crap about anyone. What would be the most satisfying conclusion now would be EVERYONE DIES A SLOW AND HORRIBLE PAINFUL DEATH in a giant battle royale, like when they ambushed and murdered the Others in season 3. My favorite bit was when Sawyer murdered that one guy in cold blood, ABOUT F***KING TIME ALREADY. Aside from that one bit, there are never ANY consequences for ANYTHING that anybody ever does and it drives me crazy.
This episode was worse than just filler because it was so dumb. The show is so incredibly inconsistent and illogical now it’s just absurd.
No kidding, the MIB is Randall Flagg all the way. Welcome aboard, and please come back. We could use help beating back all the morons who thought last night’s episode was “the best ever” just because none of the main characters were in it.
I totally agree with the no consequences for anything they do, and it just adds to the whole pile, or should I say mountian of stupid idiotic bullshit that they keep throwing at us from every direction known to man…..
Jack is the epitome of no consequences, that man has had dozens of guns pointed in his face.
The fanbois are crazy about this episode but I don’t undertsnad why. It was fucking boring and totally filler. What new information did we got? Ricardus loved his wife. Awesome..
This whole hell- evil thing is totally lame. So what what is the big quiestion? The devil leaves the island then the whole world is dead.. Of course, we know the the good side will win..If not , the who the fuck cares anyway?
You got the who the fuck cares shit right thats for sure because I sure as fuck don’t…..
We learned that the mountain on Tenerife Island is identical to the mountain on Lost Island. Just the other night I was wondering if that was true and damn if they didn’t give me the answer. It’s like they’re psychic.
We learned that 19th century British Maritime officers didn’t understand that it’s really easy to find fresh water on heavily forested tropical islands.
We learned that Richard doesn’t have the intelligence of a dim witted chimp. When his precious nail was knocked out reach by the feral pig, Richard tried to stretch really far to pick up the nail with his pouty lips then gave up. Yet his feet were free so he could have just flipped around and dragged it back to him with his toes. Fail!
We learned that Hurley sees dead people and happens to speak the same language of a ghost who is a key character. What are the chances? We also learned that ghosts, who are able to travel through time and space at will, spend their time pining for their still living and immortal spouses instead of exploring the universe and its mysteries. The clear lesson the writers mean to convey here is that chicks are completely stupid.
They’re giving us answers! The answers and the questions are stupid and occurred in the same episode and we don’t care about them but still, they are giving us answers.
Yes indeed, if you want to get extra nit-picky (and who doesn’t?) it’s pretty obvious that Hurley’s Mexican by way of LA Spanish dialect would be pretty much unintelligible to a 19th century woman from Spain (and visa versa). Just like every other lazy plot device this show relies on, it sure was convenient that he could understand her.
“We learned that 19th century British Maritime officers didn’t understand that it’s really easy to find fresh water on heavily forested tropical islands.
We learned that Richard doesn’t have the intelligence of a dim witted chimp. When his precious nail was knocked out reach by the feral pig, Richard tried to stretch really far to pick up the nail with his pouty lips then gave up. Yet his feet were free so he could have just flipped around and dragged it back to him with his toes. Fail!”
MAXIFAIL
Did anyone else pick up on the tree of life at the end?
No.
Haven’t seen something that obvious since Knowing
NADA. señor. NADA.
The fact that I didn’t suffer as much as in the previous epsds, was because Richard’s back-story/flashback reminded me of the flashbacks in ‘The highlander’ (another example where you take a good idea and milk it until it’s ruined). Actually, these extended flashbacks is a Highlander invention.
I expect the last candidate who becomes Jacob to shout “there can be only one”.
We didn’t learn that much to be honest, only few nuggets like that a Hanso ancestor was the owner of the ship. And how the statue was destroyed – was it worth waiting six years for? Because the end is going to be that underwhelming.
It was just reaffirmed that Jacob is a douchebag, playing with people’s life just to make a fucking point. I thought Trump was tough, but Jacob is a mean mofu when it comes to his “apprentices”
All the other things we already knew. Except for the fact that it seems that Richard was the sole survivor (I think). so who are the Others?
And the scene with Hurly talking to Richard’s wife was taken straight from “The Ghost Whisperer”, with the crying, expressions of love, delivery of a message and all that shit; now why would the” best” show on TV steal from that sappy chick-show?
And imprisoning an evil entity was done in an old Twilight zone episode, where some guy claimed to have caught the Devil, but his houseguest was persuaded by the imprisoned man (who WAS the devil) to release him. It was also done in a Star Trek TNG episode (the one Tasha was killed).
Tasha Yar… NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Al of the “others” were chosen by Jacob to keep Smokie from leaving the Island, with the exception of Ben. With whom Jacob just got “lucky” with…
Except the TNG one was a black oil monster, rather than a black smoke monster.
More missed opportunities: Instead of waiting 5.5 seasons to build up to the endings, I wish they had used the flashbacks to tell stories like this one of Richard, and flash sideways to create an alternate time line which converges on the ending (in a cool way) that way we could have the past as told by the Jacob et. al. for thousands of years, the present as told by the losties, and the future timeline told by the side losties, then they all converge in the last episode in a really cool ending.
What the hell was the purpose of the Black Rock’s voyage, and why did it end up in the Pacific?
Despite the fact that the British slave trade was abolished by an act of Parliament in 1807, Richard was apparently sold into slavery. So why was the boat in the pacific? Any why were there only about 7 slaves in a mostly empty hold? It’s pretty expensive to sale a boat half way around the world.
You have to love Captain Hanso’s business model. Only fools kidnap a bunch of african’s (or buy them from neighboring tribes for trinkets), cram the entire hold full, and then sail directly to the destination and sell them. No, the Hanso strategy is to go from jail to jail, paying real money for individual prisoners, until he has about .5% of his cargo space full. Then instead of just sailing across the Atlantic ocean to his destination, he goes about 4000 miles out of his way, around Cape Horn and halfway across the Pacific Ocean, to where?
An earlier episode apparently had an auction scene where they discussed that the shp
I’ll tell you why- because the writers come up with their “plot” points by throwing darts at a board. Stupid alien wizards…
(got cut off)
…ship left port in 1845, and the ship’s ledger was found seven years later in 1852. But this episode was set in 1867 I believe. So how was the ledger of the final voyage found 15 years before the final voyage?
And the answer is not because the ledger was doctored and they were actually sailing around off the radar for 22 years after they supposedly shipwrecked. The Canary Islands were part of Spain, they’re close to Europe. Ships need to stop at port, resupply, get new crew. There would have been some other record of their existence during that time.
Very interesting…!!!
This is the kind of detail that is driving most Lost viewers into insanity.
neveraskmethatagain, you are just way too smart for this show…. so obviously NOT the writers’ target audience! But bang your head against a wall a few times and you might get there.
I don’t think Richard was sold for slavery, I think there was a market for latin guys. There are a lot of homely women (and men?) out there who need some hot latin action.
and Shouldn’t the island be called ‘the Jacob Triangle’? maybe on old maps of the world the waters around the island are filled with pictures of smoke instead of sea dragons.
and Ledger was taking drugs in 3 a.m so how come there wasn’t any evidence for that in 2:45 p.m when he was found dead?
…and what about the grassy knoll? Er…huh?
That voyage would take what, about a year? The Spanish slaves in the hold were standing in one spot with their wrists shackled above their heads for a year? I don’t think that’s plausible.
It is a character driven show though so I suppose I shouldn’t pick on minor technical details like that. Instead I should just enjoy the deep character development and complex, nuanced interaction between the characters.
Good points on the retarded business model. However, the “island constantly moves through time and space”, so the island could’ve been in the Atlantic.
Will Ricardo get out of those chains? Will Ricardo get out of those chains? Will the officer run him through? Will the officer run him through? Will the smoke monster kill him? Will the smoke monster kill him?
Gee, I wonder if the fact that he is still alive over 100 years later answers any of those dramatic questions. And for those who would say, “it’s not the ultimate answer to those dramatic questions that is important, it is the dramatization of their solutions that is important” I would say this: then just dramatize the events, there’s no need to try to build up tension in a disingenuous way with the dramatic music or silly plot devices (a wart hog makes Ricardo drop his nail, oh no!) We all know what happens. Ricardo lives. No need to keep Ricardo in chains on the shipwreck for half the show, thanks. We get it.
Not only that but Little Richard even leaves the island at some point in the 1950’s to start a scam educational scholarship program so he can give an aptitude test to the young John Locke then he gets all pissy when John fails one part of the test.
I would have swore that Little Richard started a band!!!!!
We learned that he was put in mortal danger by Jacob, who didn’t lift a finger to help him, and that he was saved, twice, by Smokey and he still prefered to work for Jacob (who might even have had something with Richard wife’s death).
If you choose not to kill Jacob ( and you have ample reasons to want to) at least don’t work for him.
Richard has no fucking backbone. This island should be called pussy island.
“…pussy island.”
Heh, heh, now THAT I’d watch!
Hehehehe, I laughed each time they put a dramtic music for Richard’s demise. I was like, “You fools, we know he’s alive for a 100 more years!”. Idiots!
They just LOVE dramatic music cues on Lost. They have one for every meaningless moment.
There’s always music on. 90% of the time
I’m sick of all you fuckers talking about how great the acting is. These assholes get paid millions of dollars to act; they damn well better act great. They can be the most immaculate, Emmy worthy, Oscar if Lost were a movie, God’s gift to SAG actors around, I will still take their acting for granted. You know why?! Because I’m paying for it by watching commercials.
Sad to burst your bubble, but you are not getting your money’s worth by the regular characters :-p. So maybe if you watch more commercials, it may help the rest of them
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Also I don’t think Richard, Jacob and MIB get million bucks. its the regular ones that do and that have become too lazy to act or even care.
do you realize you are getting angry about good acting?
lemme guess, you get wet over keanu reeves and cary elwes
Wow, what a douchey response.
I agree. If I can take that back, I would. It’s stupid of me to attack people. But the thing is, people compliment acting when there’s nothing else to compliment. It’s reaching, and it’s unnecessary. Good acting should be expected of people who get paid more than doctors or engineers or lawyers… or the president.
Good acting is pointless without good writing.
Like I said, we’ve seen LOTS of good performances wasted on this shit. That doesn’t make it good TV by any stretch of the imagination. As for Bill’s response to Matt’s response I would simply say: truth hurts, don’t it?
Don’t change a thing Matt. Don’t let these punk ass trolls intimidate you. When they try to f*ck with you just turn up the volume.
F*ck em. If they can’t stand the heat they need to get outa the goddamn kitchen.
and evangelily and elizabeth mitchell are not good actresses by any stretch of the vagination (and i don’t mind if i do).
Fuck you Plimp, you don’t even practice what you preach…
Turn Up what Volume? You’re fucking Frogurt…
@Matt – Clearly, like Nico you don’t watch network TV at all…Give me 2, 3 fucking shows on network TV with an ensemble cast even halfway above average in acting! Give it to me! It can even be a “douchey” comeback…You fuckers don’t even know of what you speak..Gimme a show…
Ghost Whisperer??!??
SHIT SI?!?
SHIT SI MIAMI!?!?
SHIT SI NYC?!?!
NSHIT IS?!?!
NSHIT IS LOS ANGELES?!?!
HEROES?!?
GLEE!??!?
V!??!
LAW & HORRIBLE!?!?
LAW AND HORRIBLE SVU?!?(STARRING ICE MUTHAFUCKIN T)
CASTLE?!?!?
I can keep going…A fucking scene between Ben and Locke beats 75% of the full casts of all these shows…
GET FUCKING SERIOUS!
Hate the show that’s fine, that what you LOSTLOVERS LOVE to do, but be real…
House
Friday Night Lights
OK I gave you 2 decent ensemble casts, now give me just 1…
You don’t know Shit about acting if you think LOST cast is SHIT…Your mindset is SHIT…
I’ll be waiting for that one show….
You are so turning me on. I think I have a boner again.
Did anybody else hear a mosquito buzzing around?
Yeah it was buzzing in the same empty room where you were watching Rodney Dangerfeild stand-up VHS tapes…LMFAO xD…
“bzzzzzzzzzzzz”. Man, these fuckers are huge for this time of year.
Watching Rodney Dangerfield stand-up VHS tapes sounds pretty good actually.
No shit. I think the little turd thinks that’s an insult of some kind.
The mentalist is a great show…..
@Infected:
I actually don’t have cable, so I’m limited as to what I can watch, save for internet viewing. And I certainly won’t dispute any of your assessments of other network shows. Most shows on tv now are awful. But just because I can’t think of shows that are better than Lost, does not mean that Lost is automatically a good show.
Any old idiot could write the shows you mention above and no one would notice beause the expectations are so low. However, any old idiot cannot write a show as good as what Lost should be.
Unfortunately, though, any old idiots are writing Lost, and that’s why it’s such a disappointment. The problem with Lost is that the writers want it to be a show that is way above their talent and skill level and that’s why it sucks.
So to answer your question, my favorite thing on tv is Seinfeld reruns and my Arrested Development box sets.
There are a lot of shows better than Lost (don’t know if these are all network)
-Law & Order
-The office
-Two and a Half Men
-Rome (HBO)
-Deadwood (HBO)
-Robot Chicken
This was the best episode evah…
wait till 15
Jacob holds up the wine bottle – the wine is evil. See this cork? The cork is the island. It keeps evil inside the bottle.
Later on. Jacob gives MIB the wine bottle “to help pass the time”. MIB says “I WILL KILL YOU JACOB” then smashes the bottle, “releasing” the wine.
Subtle. Real subtle. You are witnessing some true artists using the art of symbolism at its most subtle. It was pretty subtle, but did you all get it?
The writers may as well have hit their viewers over the head with that wine bottle and stained their minds with red wine of obviousness.
This show gave up on anything resembling subtlety a LONG time ago. Now they just smack their audience in the face with self referential, meta BS and religious/mythical symbolism. I think they just bust out their Joseph Campbell books and flip to a random page when looking for plot ideas lately.
Not to mention the fact that the had the whole “Priest refuses to absolve Ricardo’s sins” angle just so they could smash the audience over the head in the scene where Ricardo asks Jacob what he’ll get in return for his services.
His wife back? No.
Absolution for his sins, so Ricardo won’t be doomed to eternal hell upon his death? No.
Oh, I GET IT. HOW ABOUT ETERNAL LIFE, SO IT DOESN’T MATTER IF RICARDO *IS* DOOMED TO HELL BECAUSE NO ONE WILL ABSOLVE HIM FROM HIS SINS.
It shouldn’t be BOOM LOST it should be HAMFIST LOST.
I think the evil priest said something about penance. So I guess Richard’s work on the island is supposed to be that. However, does it mean that working for Jacob is working to advance good, or does it mean to suffer? From our experience with the writers, it means the latter.
And wait, do you remember the magic box that produced Locke’s father? And now we learn that the island is kind of a Pandora’s box!
You know what writers how about every time something very “symbolic” occurs, you pause the show, and have a distinguished symbol-professor sit near a fireplace and explain to us how deep the reference was. Hey, you are practically doing that already.
Yes, they need to get Daddy Miles (Chang) that would actually be pretty cool! OK, forget about it, thats a wrap, lets call it a day people, make sure your here tomorrow, Six o’clock sharp. And I mean SHARP!!!!!
Wait, wait! I didn’t think about this before… The only reason Richard’s sins couldn’t be absolved was because he was to die the next day and wouldn’t have had time to do penance. So when it turns out he’s free on this island, doesn’t it occur to him to start friggin’ doing penance instead of asking for immortality? I mean, what the fuck? Obviously, he has all the time in the world to do it now, and there he is sitting right in the middle of a battle between good and evil. What better opportunity could he have? God awfully stupid.
you are gay and faggot. the wine obviously symbolizes jesus during his last meal – when jesus was told that one day a lunatic named Mel Gibson would make a snuff movie about him he broke the wine bottle.
ALSO in many porn movies the starlet puts the bottle in her cuntgina to symbolize that when you get drunk you become a dirty whore.
ACTUALLY according to the great historian dan brown, jesus broke the wine bottle with mary magdalene’s vagina – if you look at the picture “12 holy men” by the painter raphael, you can see that the horizontal lines spell in cuniforms the sentence “intereo meretricis” which means “die whore”, and if you destroy marivaneci’s statue and spell with the fragment the sentence “put the bottle in the vagina” then you will get the sentence “put the bottle in the vagina”!
you see homofaggot who actually LOVES lost there is a lot of symbolism.
and the fact that i say that i hate you doesn’t mean that I actually LOVE you guys, I don’t LOVE you guys.
(you don’t like to read non capitalized letters? hate bad grammer? SUX to be you then)
I just peed a little. “…put the bottle in the vagina!” Stop it, I can’t breathe, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
You know what’s the best thing about directing a snuff film?
You get to go home after one take.
Thank-you. Thank-you. I’ll be here all week. Try the veal. And don’t forget to tip your waitress.
“My wife, she’s a terrible cook. I didn’t know toast had bones.”
-Rodney Dangerfield
Possibly the greatest joke ever told, by a man who knew a lot of fucking jokes.
Just sayin’…
A clever one:
“A man gets the words I Love You tattoed on his penis. His wife says, ‘Stop trying to put words in my mouth!’”
That is one of the smarterst ones I’ve heard:
“I was walking home one night and a guy hammering on a roof called me a paranoid little weirdo. In morse code”
– Emo Phillips
another classic:
A man is at the bar, drunk. I pick him up off the floor, and offer to take him home. On the way to my car, he falls down three times. When I get to his house, I help him out of the car, and on the way to the front door, he falls down four more times. I ring the bell and say, “Here’s your husband!” The man’s wife says, “Where’s his wheelchair?”
Henny Youngman
Emo Phillips is great. I actually met him once. Yes, he REALLY is that weird.
Hhaa nice ones.
You’re too kind. Take my wife. Please.
Did you hear the one about the jump rope? Skip it.
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How many of you fuckers have user names over at the fusealage? Dont lie…. Lol
hey don’t steal my bit, it’s mine. without it i have nothing to say. and without nothing venomous to say i have nothing to live for.
You can always use extremely vulgar language (stuff even I wouldn’t say, and that’s hard to do) and call everybody “fags” (but the ironic “fag”, even though you have no idea what irony means).
The Fuselage? The gay bar? I use the name Ramrod when I go there for some action. What name do you use. Maybe we did each other and don’t know it. How cool would that be?
Car RamRod?
I use the name Farva and sometimes Ramathorn.
Niice, more incommunicative characters. “Who are you talking to?” “nothing to do with you.”
Of course a wooden ship can smash through a stone statue unscathed.
It just occurred to me that a vertical stone statue of that size is impossible.
Yeah it is… I don’t know what your talking about, many statues are larger than that size.
I’m almost afraid to admit it but i’m liking this season… don’t hurt me!
You know of a vertical statue of that height built of stone? Please share.
Mount Rushmore…..
Hmm, statues of Pharaohs in Egypt?
Some of the Pharaoh statues are pretty tall but the one on Lost looks to be as tall as the statue of liberty.
A wizard did it.
There was the Colossus of Rhodes which was one of the seven wonders of the ancient world, but that was destroyed (probably by a small wooden ship)
You’re already hurting yourself, as are we all by watching this garbage. It is a well know scientific fact that watching shitty TV kills more brain cells than crack.
I thought it was the tidal wave that broke the statue, not the boat.
Spock’s Beard.
Great Odin’s Raven! Wait…huh?
Alternate universe Spock had a beard. I don’t remember which episode it was but it was really good.
Oh yeah, hence the evil universe kids on South Park had beards too… forgot about that one. See, I can reference South Park too. I’m hip, I’m still young…pooped my pants…
Rod Stewart?
Alternate Teal’C and Apophis also had beards in Stargate SG-1, no doubt a homage to Spock.
Man o Man, Star Trek was definitely my favorite show when I was a kid. I have seen every episode at least fifty times each, maybe more. Mirror Mirror was by far the all time greatest episode ever of any show. Well, I think so anyway, and thats all that matters. To me that is…..
For a place that is supposedly holding back evil like a “cork”, the island sure is a nice place. I mean everyone is all relaxed, no one is ever hungry or thirsty, and most importantly it looks like no one misses home or wants to go back.
You’d think that a place holding back evil would have more monsters, curses, plagues, and all those other baddies.
And how does the cork theory work if the island keeps moving around in space and time?
Meanwhile the ship captain is stranded on the island for like a few hours at most and he’s already lost his mind and stabbing his cargo.
why is that every week i come by, there is somebody saying “this was definately the best episode of the season”? seriously? you think every episode is the best episode of the seaon? give me a fucking break
I guess you just have to chalk that up to the fact that is doesn’t take much to impress stupid people.
God your a fraud..It pains me to keep trolling you…
Fan of “Above The Law” starring Steven Segal, what’s a smart fucking show?
What’s a show that impresses you? You the smart, random LOST hater…Boy your funny…
Actually “Above The Law” sucks ass. An old friend gave me the nickname because my real name is Nick and… well you get the point.
I really liked Deadwood a lot. I like Curb, I like Bored To Death. I like South Park and I like Family Guy, as long as it’s not an episode where Brian is trying to fuck a human- that’s just nasty. I like network sitcoms. Thursday nights on NBC, minus The Office which is pretty stale these days. I like It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia. I like The Boondocks. A few other things and a lot of Discovery channel, History channel, etc. I grew up as a big PBS watcher and that’s kind of stuck.
In all fairness, I’m sure you could rip all the things I mentioned a new asshole if you wanted. Maybe there’s a “30 Rock Sucks” website you can visit.
I love every show you just mentioned, color me SHOCKED (Sunny In Philly being my fav)…I actually still like The Office aswell, and Community, Modern Family but none of these shows are comparable to LOST…
Ain’t shit like LOST for better for worse…
Aw Fuck, I think I might stop trolling you now…We have the same tastes…
That’s why I know in my shitty heart you don’t truly hate LOST…You just feel betrayed, which is understandable…
Alright Nico, I’m fucking sorry…
I make NO secret about feeling betrayed. I think that’s the thing that brought all of us here in the first place. It was like they took this beautiful thing and shit on it.
In a perfect world, Sunny would be the new Seinfeld. Just sayin…
Apology accepted, and please accept mine in return. You really do make me laugh, so now that we understand each other we can have some real fun at each other’s expense.
Ugh, I misjudged you…You just really come off as a”Hate LOST at all costs” type of fellow, plus you seem to be a leader of this forum…I can’t respect that if it’s not perception…
I still love LOST, for better for worse, but I can’t hate a bastard that loves all the same shows I love…
I still hate Plimp though…
I’m no leader, I’m just more obnoxious than most so I stand out.
Damn you Nico, there’s no way I can go back to being “Infected” now that I’ve made peace with you dammit…My schtick is now in question…
Can’t believe I fell for that! UGHHHHHH!!!
I don’t want to be reasonable, I want to make you guys feel how you make me feel…I can’t stand how some of you pretend like because LOST has lost some of it’s glimmer from S1 and S2 that it’s somehow absolutely not enjoyable on any level…Like there’s nothing redeemable or that there are no elements to be fascinated with in isolation…Like there’s a sci-fi show out there with any of the production values…It just sucks….
ABC shitted on season 3 trying to rape it financially..Season 3 self-contained wasn’t that bad, it was the lack of answers before the hiatus that severely hurt the fanbase along with ABC’s promotional campaign (Daybreak was actually pretty damn good, but not at LOSTs expense)
It was Season 4 that really fucked up the overall arching of the series..It was hurried and overwrought because of the writers strike, then when the overall ratings dropped the prior season ABC raped LOSTs production budget (Season 1 REAL PLANES, Season 6 CGI PLANES)…You think Darlton had a leg to stand on in negotiations for episode moneys after S3??
Because Season 4 was fucked, Season 5 had to use the time travel mechanism to tell parts of the story (Remember Roussau’s arc was SUPPOSED to be told in season 4, but the strike fucked that hence the TT story for it)…S5 in-trn had pacing issues…
I’m just trying to make people understand that this shit is MORE than what a writer or director wants to do…Darlton didn’t just fuck LOST over ABC did aswell and neverthless the shit is STILL more enjoyable than 90% of network TV dramas..
I just don’t get why all of you haters don’t understand that so much more shit was taking place than Lost writers just hating you…
You’ll never fucking understand…
BOOM
TRUTH
Hi infected. I notice you can’t stop yourself from typing my name. You can’t stop thinking about me either can you? I’m glad it’s mutual.
I “hate” you too sweetie. Sounds to me like you’re dreaming about having angry sex with me. That’s hot. You are sexy as hell, I can’t deny it.
Plimp, you are nothing…I fuck with you like I fuck with that silver thimble on a Monopoly board…
Do Not collect $200 bitch!
Come on Infected get a grip man!!! Don’t pussy out on us now dude. You can still hate me all you want…..
God knows I wanna hate you…and I still think I can, I just won’t troll Nico anymore, but I’ll still troll your FUBAR ass…
Tell your GRANDSON i said thanx for finding that word again…
I enjoy Sunny in PA. The acting in it is horrible though. I’d say it’s the opposite of Lost, where in PA, I can overlook the atrocious acting due to the good writing.
“Fuck”…like you fuck with the silver thimble? Meaning you stick your finger in it like you want to stick your finger in me.
Wow.
I’m swooning. Oops. Erection time again.
LMAO, “swooning” Fucking swooning?? Hahaha…
@Matt – I never said Sunny in Philly had great acting…It’s the improvisational bullshit that makes it funny…I’m talking about the 10 other DRAMAS I mentioned…Or are you gonna just skip over that? You said LOST actors aren’t all that, so answer the question given, what Primetime ensemble cast (NOT IN A COMEDY) is all that??? Please re-read my orginal post if you loathe me…
I don’t loathe you at all. And to answer your question, there is none, including Lost. It’s not a competition. It’s not a comparison. Lost isn’t good just because other shows are bad. I also addressed your post way above too.
It’s like if you have a dollar and I only have 50 cents. You’re not rich just because I have less than you.
I found this drama between ‘Nico Toscani’ and ‘Infected’ a lot more entertaining than this episode of Lost. You guys even have a kiss-and-make up scene at the end- what were the odds of that happening in a flame war?
I’m so teary-eyed now!
Nah, it actually began to resemble Lost… blech. Back to fighting, please?
“I can’t stand how some of you pretend like because LOST has lost some of it’s glimmer from S1 and S2 that it’s somehow absolutely not enjoyable on any level”
We all can at least enjoy making fun of it. And I don’t give a shit WHY it’s poor writing. It’s still poor writing. Great writing would have found a better way around the problems.
I kind of had a feeling the whole thing with Infected would resolve itself. Anybody that full of vitriol has GOT to be a kindred spirit to yours truly. It is typical when two big, obnoxious personalities meet they are bound to clash at first.obnoxious
I used to come here to bash Lost, now i come here to bash Infected
I must make note of Clever Hans’ “Rape eye” comment. “Rape eyes Ricardo” is just plain fucking funny.
I think I shared a cell with him once during an overnighter at Cook County. Trust me- they don’t call him “rape eyes” for nothing…
I gotta say, in defense of the totality of this rambling series, is the acting and direction are the saving graces, the writers circuitous storytelling has been abysmal, but the acting, and cinematography have begun to rescue this show.
Some answers after investing 6 years are indeed welcome, AND some great performances. I’m with most of you that this series has been a trainwreck, but this episode was actually pretty good. Bring on the torches, I know, I sound like a troll now, but I’ve been here posting for a couple of seasons now, and I’ve been pretty dissapointed for a long time. But this episode was what I was waiting for, some explanation of the metaphysics of the island. I’ve suspected they were dead for a while * tail section survivors who couldn’t have survived, etc. Still have no clue who the others are, and why they don’t seem to matter anymore
If a waiter brings you shit on a plate, but gives you the best service imaginable, it’s still shit on a plate and it’s still going to taste like shit, even if he was really attentive.
On its own, it wasn’t terrible. Sure the continuity and CGI just blew balls. I’ll be the first to rip that to shreads. The soapiness of the show was a tad lame, but Richard’s backstory had to be developed. We had no idea why he was on the island before this episode, and we didn’t know his struggles.
But compared to what we’ve been watching the past few seasons, it was refreshing. Anyone who disagrees with me is a numbnuts faggot troll who can’t appreciate a good LOST episode once a season
I guess I’m a numbnuts faggot troll then. I think we already knew this though…
This episode sucked just like the last three seasons and you know it as well as I do!!!!!
Nico, I hope you got this was tongue in cheek…
I did indeed. My tongue knows no other place to rest.
If you feel it truly sucks (as I said above, lots of elements of this show have sucked badly slow paced story, and character development, as well as the stupid “not now, I’ll explain later” dialogue, and why anyone seems to care at all about bland ass Jack) This site does beg the question why we bother to keep watching, some fans of alias might see some similarities now, but also how both shows deviate badly from the story arc into self contained episodes (nikki and paolo) but I think this episode is why we’ve been watching for years and waiting for. The payoff of all the enigmatic storytelling is this bomb dropped by the writers, so I can say now, that I believe they did plan this story, and with the major plot twist over 2-3 weeks, I see why they chose to move so slowly.
I think the things the episode did well are
1)Everything is on island
2)No flash sideways
3)cool environments (1800’s Canary Islands, the prison cell scene, the open seas)
4)cool tie in at the beginning when Jacob tells Ilana what to do
5)something resembling answers
6)No Jack
7)No Kate
I thought the story line and pacing were perfect…sadly it was 3 seasons too late. At this point everyone wanted to see Richard go to meet Lock when he was a baby, then a kid, then when a student. Also to see how Richard killed all those marines, then the Darma folk. The writers thought they would keep every little secret until the last minute, but didn’t realize that by putting so much filler into seasons 2-6, there wouldn’t be any time left to do all of that. Hence why this Richard episode was not as jam packed with answers as expected: there simply is not enough time in one episode.
First time on this site. I was so pissed with this episode i googled lost sucks and found this site. very entertaining comments. In all seriousness though, fuck this season and this episode especially. personally i like the philosophical theological allegory in the show but give me a fucking break. if you are gonna go that route at least know the material and make sense. at this point mib is Cthulhu and jacob is faust. i don’t give a fuck anymore.
Careful Elvis, normally our hatred for Lost is unanimous, but today we are divided between those that liked that show, those that hated the show, and those that want to kill the writers for taking the religious route. I suspect you may have infuriated the latter group.
Damn you Nico, there’s no way I can go back to being “Infected” now that I’ve made peace with you dammit…My schtick is now in question….
Can’t believe I fell for that! UGHHHHHH!!!
I don’t want to be reasonable, I want to make you guys feel how you make me feel…I can’t stand how some of you pretend like because LOST has lost some of it’s glimmer from S1 and S2 that it’s somehow absolutely not enjoyable on any level…Like there’s nothing redeemable or that there are no elements to be fascinated with in isolation…Like there’s a sci-fi show out there with any of the production values…It just sucks….
ABC shitted on season 3 trying to rape it financially..Season 3 self-contained wasn’t that bad, it was the lack of answers before the hiatus that severely hurt the fanbase along with ABC’s promotional campaign (Daybreak was actually pretty damn good, but not at LOSTs expense)
It was Season 4 that really fucked up the overall arching of the series..It was hurried and overwrought because of the writers strike, then when the overall ratings dropped the prior season ABC raped LOSTs production budget (Season 1 REAL PLANES, Season 6 CGI PLANES)…You think Darlton had a leg to stand on in negotiations for episode moneys after S3??
Because Season 4 was fucked, Season 5 had to use the time travel mechanism to tell parts of the story (Remember Roussau’s arc was SUPPOSED to be told in season 4, but the strike fucked that hence the TT story for it)…S5 in-trn had pacing issues…
I’m just trying to make people understand that this shit is MORE than what a writer or director wants to do…Darlton didn’t just fuck LOST over ABC did aswell and neverthless the shit is STILL more enjoyable than 90% of network TV dramas..
I just don’t get why all of you haters don’t understand that so much more shit was taking place than Lost writers just hating you…
You’ll never fucking understand…
BOOM
TRUTH
You got short term memory loss or something? You just posted that a few posts earlier…
Is that all you have to say? I meant for it to be the start thread, not a reply thread, sue me…So did I just make a point with all of that or does my troll status render that rational argument null and void??
Dude we render you null and void. Not really, but I personally think your funnier than hell.
You’re deep.
Your deep-throat…
(Yeah I took the bait…)
The gayness is strong in you.
Dude you gotta pull it in man, your not connecting the dots in the right order, your putting circles around letters that aint even words!!! Last but not LOST, you just posted this comment twice!!!!!
I sense much doubt in you. Perhaps you are starting to realize that you belonged here all along. Don’t fight it *pulls infected into own bossom* There there, everything will be alright.
C’mon LOST SUX Leaders..If any of you had nuts you’d refute my points that I just articulated…I know you read them…Plimp’s cat got your tongue?
Anyone with the nuts to challenge or admit to not knowing all of this? (The real story behind LOSTs “failure”)…Anyone? Or you just gonna ignore it to preserve the rep of this misguided site?
OK, for one thing the writers of this stupid suckfest “SUCK” the bastards have turned a bunch of half assed at best, actors into a bunch of snivelling, crybaby, whiney assed fucks who are as fed up with this shit as we are, so they don’t even try anymore. As for a show, I really don’t watch much TV but I do like The Mentalist its a pretty good show. You would have known this if you had reviewed your posts…..
There’s nothing “misguided” about it. You wouldn’t have people every week saying “I googled Lost sucks and found this site” if it was misguided (and you do see this several times each week).
I can’t disagree with many of the reasons you point out for why things went astray with the show; but this is cold comfort to say the least. I also can’t condone a plot that seems to be generated by a dart board just because of a few good performances and “whoa” moments (AAARRRNNNTTTTZZZZ!!! *KABLOOEY*, for example). Not to mention for every Terry O’Quinn (good) there is an Emilie De Poo-Poo (super bad); so even the performances are uneven. Seasons 1 and 2 were psychological drama at it’s finest, season 3 was like The Prisoner, but shitty, season 4 was like the A-Team (or Guns of Navarone?), season 5 was half baked sci-fi, and now season 6 is some kind of grand game of life with mythological figures guiding the action.
Can we see a problem here? Number one: You can’t expect any reasonable person to maintain interest when you’re that all over the place. Number two: Quit lying to the audience and making claims that you had it all planned out and that there would be a rational explanation for it all.
I think my fiancee (who still calls herself a fan of the show by the way) summed it up best this week when she said: “I wouldn’t be surprised if they crested a hill and found a water park on the island at this point.”
‘Nuff said.
You’re right Nico, you’re right.
I’ve just been, I became so wrapped up in the show, it became part of my identity and when I saw this website and how you guys demean the show and insult its creators I just naturally felt like you were all attacking me personally, questioning my value as a person.
Now I realize it’s just a TV show. It’s not me, it’s not a part of me and I shouldn’t take offense that you guys don’t like it because it would mean I’m emotionally unbalanced if I did.
Thanks Nico for putting it all in the proper perspective. Sorry I was such a dickhead you guys.
Did you have a personality transplant or did the meds kick in (mine did, so enjoy the pretty colors with me)? I just can’t believe this is the same guy who was on such a tirade last night. Are you pulling my chain? If you really mean it, then thanks and please feel free to defend the show all you like. Wait a second… is this tommy (or one of the other resident comedians) fucking with me? I guess I’ll find out…
It was me. I couldn’t resist.
You fucker Plimp, I have been thinking about what you did here and this is what I come up with. I believe that this is all part of your master plan to make us all become fanbois delux. This is just step one build a little confidence by messing around with peoples heads. The next phaze will be to get our trust and after that happens you are gonna swoop in on us like a black smoke monster! Infect our minds and then we are all gonna be blithering fanbois just like Infected. I got your number now mister, so be ready to expect it when you least expect it!!!!!
I can’t confirm or deny what you say, my contract with Tyler won’t let me, but I can tell you this much. Infected and I are sitting in the same room while we’re commenting here (using the same computer) and he will play a bigger part than anyone anticipated on the night of the last episode.
Damb, you are good….. Or evil,,,,,Or white…..Or black…..Or Cain…..Or Abel. etc, etc, etc…..
LOL, You bastard, that’s not even how I talk!
Good thing I checked once more before I went to sleep…I’ll holla back @ Nico 2moro on his response, sorry but it won’t be anything like this poser (Bitchass Plimp maybe?)…
LATE…
JESUS H. FUCKING CHRIST, what the fuck is this goddamn show doing to me now. If it wasn’t bad enough that the whole cast has turned into a bunch of crybaby, sappy fucking half assed soap opera stars. Now it has killed off my favorite troll too. I liked you better as a dickhead!!!!!
II was thinking the same thing, LOL. I’m glad it wasn’t really Infected. I would have been SO disappointed.
In any case, very nice Plimp you cheeky little monkey.
Yes, after I saw his post it was like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders…..
end of lost –
sayid becomes mib, desmond becomes jacob.
This whole discussion of who becomes Jacob and who becomes MIB is ridiculous. If that is the biggest “mystery” this season, it’s about as compelling a question to answer as how does Kate’s thong not disintegrate since she never bathes or how does Sawyer keep his teeth so white.
did i say it was the biggest mystery mr. kant? it’s Immanuel Kant by the way. I find it funny you use his name yet don’t even know how to spell it; nor do i think you’ve read his critiques. As Kant would state, ‘Sapere aude’.
Elvis, I don’t think he was attacking you. I think he was attacking how the show has completely digressed and how its priorities are completely backward now. And Emmanuel, it is Immanuel…
Why the fuck did Ricardo even side with Jacob and not Smokie?!
Jacob admitted to magically “bringing” people to the island and accepting their deaths.
Jacob brought Ricardo to the island yet would let him die in chains. It was SMOKIE who actually freed him.
Such utter retardation.
There is still no explanation as to why Smokie randomly kills some people and not others.
jacob sided with jacob because that’s what the writers needed to advance the plot
Man, I think we are all in a parrallel universe. Infected is now nice???
wait, I’ll ask the woman next to me to pinch me… yes.. pinch me.. lower… lower, now pout your lips… hey stop hitting me.
just a few things about all his comments:
1. Even if assume it’s the best drama on network TV, it is still like being the world tallest midget or the world’s funniest comedienne – doesn’t meant that much. And if they could have done much better on cable then they should have done cable. we judge it for what it is.
2. This entire thing of “you have to be a good writer” just doesn’t fly. One doesn’t need to be handsome to know that someone else is not, one does not need to be a great musician to know the Beatles were and some guy in a cruise ship ain’t. It is possible to recognize quality or lack of it without being able to create it. Actually, what did YOU write? where are your Emmys? I mean, if one needs to be a good writer to know whether a show is good or not, then how do you know that Lost is good?
3. You always say that millions of people like Lost, and therefore it has quality but then you disparage shows like NCIS which are more popular. so what is it? choose your line of argument and stick with it.
Lost is a hoax. they lure you in with promises of revelation of a great secret. That’s it. They did it in “Alias” and they do it here.
Would you watch it if it only was about a group of castaways, without the mystery elements? Suppose the show only consisted of their life on the island, their attempts to survive and all these flashbacks – NO one would have watched it.
Therefore the entire series hinges on the “secret”. That is its raison d’etre.
and NO secret is worth waiting six years for. and it’s not going to be better than “The Sixth Sense” or “The Usual Suspects” (and you had to wait only 2 hours for those).
The writers just milk this concept. 5-6 episodes of Lost could easily be told in one.
You know, metaphors and religious symbolism and all that shit, are nice and pretty smart I have to say, but they are a MEAN to an END. That is, first you have a good story, well thought and streamlined, and then you embellish it with all that stuff.
- A well polished turd is still a turd.
Peace out.
The creative team behind Lost seem to be experts on turd polishing.
All very true and well deducted points!
You are my hero bar none!!!!!
Indeed. We’ll polished turd. I have to say though that this particular turd droplet we pretty shiny as turds go.
They kept out that retarded alternate timeline for once, and no sawyer or Kate, and a minimum of Jack. Actually it’s kind of nice that they almost completely ditched the original lost characters. They just remind me of the 342,333 loose ends the writers never bothered to close.
2) I believe the expression you are fishing for is ‘You don’t have to own a restaurant to be a food critic’
This is not my words. it comes from the website stageaffair.com
it is discussing the mistakes made by many playwrights and how to avoid certain pitfalls in the writing of a dramatic production. How many have the writers of lost made?
“The young dramatist will inevitably run into several serious errors if he is not forewarned to avoid them.
In the first place he will waste a great deal of time in smart writing, and will put a great many sayings, that he things will tell well, in the mouths of his characters. After all the pains he takes in this direction, he will find these cut out remorselessly by the stage manager, who knows by long experience what the public will suffer and what it will not.
In the second place, he will be apt to introduce a superabundance of characters, in his anxiety to present novelty. If any of those persons are not necessary to the development of the plot or to the action of the drama, let them be sacrificed at once. They merely tend to rob the principal characters of their interest, ans as dramatic companies are constituted, it is only the principal characters that are properly represented. The oddities of the minor characters, as imagined by the author, are enver given as he fancies them on stage — in fact, if he have one word spoken out of ten that he has written, he will be more fortunate than his predecessors.
In the third place, beware of interrupting the interest by a sub-plot. It requires a very practiced writer to introduce an audience to witness two plays at the same time. Almost all unpracticed writers fall into the error of thus dividing the interest, partly because they desire to give employment to the herd of characters whome they crowd into their dramas, and partly because they think the main plot wants support.
Supposing you to avoid those those errors, then, before you commence to write your play, make a complete and perfect skeleton of the affair.”
“…a superabundance of characters…”
That pretty much defines Lost from season 3 on, wouldn’t you say?
So that means the Lost writers have pretty much broken every rule of writing drama.
There are two kinds of people who do that. Rebels and talentless hacks.
The Lost writers are not rebels.
Cool. I didn’t even know ‘who broke the statue?’ was one of the show’s mysteries, but I’m sure glad we found out.
Priests and doctors? Ya can’t live with ‘em and ya just can’t kill…oops, never mind.
Once upon a time, people said that one of the major ‘themes’ of LOST was science vs. faith, so I was dodging the anvil when they showed us how both the doctor and the priest were eeeevil! early on in this episode. Setting us up to see that the biggest variable in the conflict is people. That both Science AND Faith can be wrong if used for the wrong motivations.
Sadly, I think some of the above posters are correct. There was no anvil there. It was just a completely OTT reason for Richard to choose immortality. There’s no priest on the island so he can’t be absolved of his sin so he doesn’t want to die.
Sure, if you look at Ricardo’s motivation for choosing immortality in the context of a single episode, it makes sense that he would choose immortality due to his Priest’s refusal to absolve him of the sin of murder.
However, in the context of the series, Ricardo’s immortality has been played up to the point of hysteria. The plain fact is that Ricardo’s motivation for choosing immortality has nothing at all to do with the island, with any of the other characters that had been on the show up until this episode, or anything at all that had ever been mentioned on the show up until that point.
So, yeah. The writers had to create a giant hamfisted hammer to unequivocally answer the question of Ricardo’s immortality.
Well the problem is the writers never explained Richard’s immortality. All they did was imply that immortality was granted to him by Jacob somehow.
How he could actually be immortal is still a mystery.
Really? A child molester represents faith and a quack represents science?
The priest doesn’t say anything about faith.
“I can’t absolve you because goobly goobly”
The doctor doesn’t even know what illness Richard’s wife has yet offers to sell him medicine. That’s not science.
“My wife is very seek”
“Here is some medicine that will save her life”
You’re reading way, way, way too much into this crapola writing.
Oh dude I totally missed that. I don’t think there is much significance though. The doctor was meant as a sympathy element. Totally ripped that out of Les Miserable where the guy gets thrown in the slammer for trying to steal bread to feed his family. And the priest thing they cut and pasted so they could corner Richard such that he had to choose eternal life.
“Really? A child molester represents faith and a quack represents science?”
Yep.
Key word: represents.
They represent it poorly – way too over-the-top poorly, but that was my point. Or the point I thought they were trying to make.
As far as reading to much into it, yes, I still watch each week thinking “this may be the episode where they finally get something right”. Like the room full of monkeys with the typewriters.
who’s the child molester?
I assume he’s talking about the priest.
@Jelson – The millions of people who watch Lost and the millions of people who watch NCIS aren’t necessarily the same millions…NCIS is kicksass 49+…
Jesus, so I’m one of the good guys now…Walt’s Dad would be proud…
Like I said, rather than repost the entirety of everything I want to respond to…I just hope some will ATLEAST have some level of understanding that you don’t just sit there and write a hit show after it becomes a hit…That’s when the shit hits the fan…Doubly bad for a sci-fi show that fooled the network to get on the air in the first place…Mistakes were made, not all Darlton’s fault — not all ABC’s (Although they fucked the show up for money), but I do think it’s important to note that the show still has a level of enjoyability that can’t be denied despite the mistakes..A level that IMO is still 90% better than what network drama has to offer..Does this mean I’m saying “Eat this shit up regardless!!”, No I’m saying stop being disingenuous and acting like there is nothing there even remotely good or redeemable, especially when we (the snobs who live and die on this shit far more than the kids we diss) have over-analyzed the show to the point (Lets be honest) nothing was gonna be able to uber floor us..
The average Fuselage fan who’s figuring the show out happily still isn’t some bitch, he’s just not the level of snob we are…That’s why this site angered me so much, because we’re more fans than they’ll ever be yet we “hate” this shit… It doesn’t add up and I think we all know that…There has to be a landing strip between feeling betrayed and being “elitist scum” (LOST perceived failures, notwithstanding…I’m just saying…
Guess I can let the pu$$y (a.k.a The Plimp) outta the bag: I WORK IN TELEVISION…
TADA
BOOM
HoLLYWuuuuuuuD
You write like you are one of those guys that dress up like women.
Thanx Ned…
Like srsly….
I didn’t prepare for the likes of you…
Nothing you say makes any sense. It’s gibberish.
C’mon Plimp, I hate you, you fucking hate me…I don’t expect shit from you….Knowledge is just a baseball bat to an asshole…
Why are you here? Just to antagonize us?
Why? What’s your motive?
‘Knowledge is just a baseball bat to an asshole’
-Reminds me of Belladonna
Infected, do you understand that we used to like the show a lot which is why we have such high standards for it.? My standards for Lost are way higher than other shows because Lost used to meet those standards. But now, it doesn’t live up to its previous efforts. It’s like being in a bad marriage, but I’m too far in to get divorced. So guess what? I’m going to complain until my wife dies and then I’ll probably have fond memories of our first two years together and be sad.
@Infected:
If I sweep the floor at my local news outlet, I can also say that I “work in television.” And working in television—even on the creative side—is no longer a very impressive claim when you consider that 95% of television is crap. For all we know, you could write scripts for the Kardashians or Jersey Shore.
Lol. I don’t think it helps to claim you work for Tv as a method of gaining any kind of respect on a forum that’s bashing TV writers.
I don’t know PLIMP, maybe the bellies on this site were starting to get too fat…Maybe 1 was gonna be the one to fuck up that flow…I read your site, it pissed me off, so I started owning you…The temperature of the room for some odd reason started to change and I opened up a bit…I reserve the right to teeter back into a troll direction or a direction of understanding…
You wanna jostle the bark with a poker-stick, you might get burned…If you ask me nicely to leave you alone, maybe I will xD…
What is your motive? Are you lonely?
Your train of thought is about as haphazard as an episode of Lost
Dude, it’s 2010..I can bang my GF and troll you at the same time…I can take a shit and troll you without interrupting my phone call…I can troll you while in the passenger seat of my hybrid adjusting my XM with the other hand…You’re sadly mistaken if you think I’m putting some overt amount of effort into this…
Writing shit is kinda easy for me, hell i even get paid for it…If you’re finally broken to pieces and need me to stop hurting your little net-universe just ask nicely^^
(Don’t act like you haven’t egged this shit on “Infected”)……
“Writing shit is kinda easy for me, hell i even get paid for it…”
So you’re indeed a writer for LOST…
What is your motivation? Why do you want to “troll” us?
I’d think a guy with a girlfriend, a hybrid with XM radio and a job in the entertainment industry wouldn’t be much interested in harassing a bunch of dorks slagging on a TV show. A guy would have to be a lonely loser to waste his time on something so trivial.
No, there’s something deeper in you that craves what you’re doing. You’re addicted to it. You need it to feel like you have worth and you get that with your barely literate rantings. You couldn’t stop doing it. You would feel empty inside if you weren’t trolling here. You can’t quit doing it. It would be impossible for you.
So, regardless of effort, why are you here? You’re clearly afraid to answer that question.
Wow, I’ve clearly trolled you into reality…I’m a dork just like you asshole..I just play it off better than most, get paid, and bang a nice girl or 2…
There isn’t some illicit craving..This is the first week I’ve even posted past the initial after-ep hype period…I someway, somehow actually started to have decent conversations and thought I could continue it…
I think I’ve already told you I like LOST…Your site pissed me off and I felt like owning you…What else do you want? You’ve clearly read my more substantial posting efforts, so maybe you feel like I’m taking your net-shine or something, or it’s no longer Plimpville or whatever up in here…
Don’t like me, don’t fucking post against me…I like to fucking talk…Most people with English and media degrees do…I can shoot the shit or engage in meaningful conversation…I’m sorry if this a difficult concept for you to understand..You don’t like it? STFU and I’ll leave you to your devices…
Damn I’ve really “infected” you…Fuck it you brought it on yourself…
You clearly have a deep seated, pathalogical craving to control others. A personality disorder shared by rapists, child molesters and serial killers.
For instance:
“If you’re finally broken to pieces and need me to stop hurting your little net-universe just ask nicely”
The clear meaning is that you hope you are inflicting devastating pain on someone and you desire your perceived victim to show they are submissive to you by asking “nicely” to stop hurting them. Very common with child molesters. That’s a fact.
Or this:
“Your site pissed me off and I felt like owning you…”
A claim that someone made you angry and in order to feel a sense of revenge and worth you feel you must control that person. You can’t control your emotions which means you are psychologically unstable. That’s not an insult, it’s a fact. You become angry at other people having fun which means you have an anti-social personality disorder. Again, a fact. Your way of attempting to cope with your own emotional psychosis is to try to control those who you perceive have wronged you in some way.
Bragging about having a girlfriend and other “nice girls” who you “bang” is your feeble attempt to convince us you are normal or well adjusted. That you would brag about it is creepy. Nobody here believes you because nobody who’s getting some regular brags about it unless the “nice” girls are rape victims then there might be some psychotic bragging.
You’re a sad, sick little fool
WOW!!!!!
Why do you feel you have to lie about yourself? Molesting your au pair in the back of daddy’s hybrid hardly counts as “a nice girl or 2…” Just because daddy paid for you to almost get through college doesn’t magically give you poignancy or the right to flout some hubristic bullshit that until now I haven’t even bothered to respond to. Also watching TV doesn’t mean you work in TV.
I can understand how an educated young gay man like yourself might get upset because now Wentworth Miller is off, the only brooding sensitive guy left to flog it to on network TV is Matthew Fox. Don’t worry, your acne will clear up soon and with daddy’s money you can go to the Phillipines to purchase a guy that you can dress up to look like a girl for your family on your wedding day.
Really though. Your defending a ridiculous looking Spanish man in eyeliner who can’t die and is the medium between warring Egyptian demigods on an island/time machine with ghosts, polar bears and a morbidly obese gentleman playing the part of Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost? Duuude.
So what your saying is that your a spoiled little rich fuck having a temper tantrum then. Right? Because thats what got out of what you just said!!!!! WOW!!!!! Your Mathew Fox aincha?????
That would be awesome.
Chew your fucking food while talking gramps…
Oh come on, you can do better than that…..
You hear voices too? Do they come from inside your head or outside?
I think its past his bedtime!!!!!
Ha!
Writing shit is kinda easy for me
Yep, you got the shit part right thats for sure!!!!!
There is no way this kid is older than 13. His train of thought is too scrambled, and he is constantly using profanity to make up for his lack of intelligence
No kidding… I was kinda thinking the son of one of the writers, producers, directors or something. He seems to have some sort of emotional investment in this show.
Maybe he’s just a 12 year old girl. Those people are just as emotionally invested in this show.
Not sure if this had been mentioned before…
When we met suicidal-Dynamite-Richard he told us he was in that dark mood cause he just found out that there seems to be no big mysterious overall plan jacob had told him he had and richard would be part of.
That means richard never new why he was actually doing his work and what for.
But now we get to know during the job interview in beach-office, that richards job consists namely of acting as a speaker between jacob and his test humans and the overall plot behind this job is the nonsensical bet.
Jacob never mentioned a big secret plan, he just couldn’t tell richard, so that he had to trust him and work for him in spite of that lack of knowledge, it was a leap of faith.. bla bla bla yadda yadda yaddda…
Guess what… Richard was hired well knowing all the facts concerning his assignment.
SO WHY THE FUCK WAS HE SO SUICIDALLY DEVASTATED ?!?
If there was really a reason for richard’s dispair, it means that their has to be an even higher purpose for his/the other’s (1, 2, 3, 4, and 5…) efforts on the island than just the bet, which jacob revealed to richard off-screen at a later moment without actually telling him what it is (Most likely there was understandably no time right now since they are both immortal).
SO WHAT THE HELL IS IT !!!!
This reveals a further try by the writers to fool the still benevolent viewer into thinking he actually got an answer to what it is all about on this island watching Ab Retardo.
“SCREW YOU GUYS, I’M GOIN’ HOME!!!”
Its like this see, Jacob, he can give you life, such as with John Locke when he touched him after he got tossed out the window. As with Richard being so old. Now you got the other side of the coin, thats Smokie, he can judge you and take your life away. Ying & Yang, Frick & Frack, Tom & Jerry so on and so forth. Now what I am getting at, is that I have no idea of what I am getting at!!! So there ya go…..
“SCREW YOU GUYS, I’M GOIN’ HOME!!!”
Don’t forget your BALL!!!!!
One thing he found out was the island is what separates hell from earth, or something like that, so why would he let Jack and Sayid even get close to the atomic bomb after they said they want to detonate it?
Why u crackers always portray are BLACK KEMIT GODS as EVIL and ur lily peckerwoods as GOOD.
2012 bitches ur time is up
Hotep
Well actually it wasn’t us. It was the writers of the show who did that.
As to why they did it, well, they’re not very good writers.
So like where’s the Old Navy or American Eagle store on the island that the Losties are getting their revolving wardrobe of tshirts and jeans from?
it’s next to mitchell’s hair salon and sephora
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@ENTER SMOKEMAN – Like I said before…Some people (like myself) work hard to get to do what they want in life…If you think you’re more awesome than the LOST writers PROVE IT! Stop smelling your daughters’ hairbrush behind her back and do something with your life greater than LOST…It’s not like you’re capable, but TRY!
@ Dr. pLIMP – LMAO…Armchair psychological evaluation by some random fag on a “Hate Lost” blog…That’s richer than yall think my dad was…You should really include me in your thesis to the Psychiatric board you’re writing to, ya know in between ACTUALLY TRYING TO PSYCO-ANALYSE SOMEONE ON A BLOG YOU ASS…Thanx Plimp I’m gonna re-evaluate my life now because of this…This has shocked me and peeled the sedimentary layers of granite off the rock that is my soul…Thank you Plimp for showing me the errors of my troll ways and giving me the omnipresent tools for looking at myself in a deeper way…Hell I’m not gonna even keep hitting this rolled up weed while my friends laff at this shit…That’s real REAL progress for me…
I mean the way you so neatly figured out from my trolling (anti-trolling) that I’m a child rapist who molests meer-cats…That’s genius…I mean THAT should be a show! A loser, middle-aged blog member, from the confines of his football beanbag, goes online and catches murderers and rapists based on random blog posting….
I got the show:
pLimp-Dick…Because you’re a Private Dick (Internet Dick) who finds predators based on faux psychological analysis…Brilliant…Told ya I was good…
Seriously dude you’re just making my high friends laff…Lulz…
BOOM
MEER-CATS
So you write for TV? Really? Well, let me guess it’s not the Discovery channel or the Gay Channel (or maybe you protest too much?). I don’t know, is it the ‘Appalachian Mountain’ channel? Animal Planet? Dora the explorer? (were you responsible for her saying ‘Do you see a faggot? Bueno!, Do you see a flamethrower? excellento!!! now, yell “Burn faggot burn!’ I can’t hear you! Louder! Do you see faggot’s soul descending into hades? perfectamundo!!!)
Hell I’m not gonna even keep hitting this rolled up weed while my friends laff at this shit
I guess you’re a white guy, so you might want to listen to
Dave Chappelle’s advice about white guys doing gay stuff to one another when they’re drunk or high.
So don’t be surprised if you find some pictures of you sleeping, with a fat cock near your mouth on the net.( I know Plimp won’t be).
He probably switches the movie reels at his uncle’s cinema.
The one that shows vintage gay porn.
“So don’t be surprised if you find some pictures of you sleeping, with a fat cock near your mouth on the net.( I know Plimp won’t be).”
Hell, it may be my cock.
Seriously dude you’re just making my high friends laff…Lulz
Are you sure that aint high school friends by any chance?????
Did you type all that on your iPhone while listening to XM and driving your badass hybrid to your girlfriends house after you banged a couple of nice girls who were hot for you because you work in television?
You’re full of shit and just a tad too weird (in the rubber room and white gown sense). Seriously, you’re a tad off. Has lithium got anything to do with it?
You have what is know as “showing up to a party no remembers inviting you to.” Being a social animal you attempt to fit in but end up publicly pissing all over yourself and flinging your little feces at the bigger brained primates on this board. Little puppies have better control of their bladders than you do.
Be a good meer-kat and indulge us with some higher order behavior such as grooming and lice picking.
Aren’t meer-kats prone to inbreeding during times of communal stress? I pity your sister.
Oh man, thats beautiful!!!!!
Where is he? Probably watching Meerkat Manor on Discovery ’s Animal Planet? Or taking time out on Saturday to shop for a cleaner to get the piss stains out of his “pelt”?
BOOM
MEER-CATS
I really don’t think so!!
I think its more like!!!
BOOM
QUEER-CATS
YES!!! That has “INFECTED” written all over it!!!!!
Granite is a type of igneous rock, not sedimentary.
Nope, not white at all…I guess that shoots shit on your whole theory…
Yawn…
We will never know if you are telling the truth or not so my vote is your not the father!!!!!
Infected, if you come over to our side and admit that Lost has gone down the shitter, we promise to teach you how to make deadly comebacks and throw witty retorts. Who knows, if you act on your best behavior, we might even teach you the art of a good verbal jousting.
I still think that you are Mathew Fox!!! Come on fess up Matt its OK, only most of us hate you, but not all…..
No if it was Mathew Fox he would use a lot of ellipses (…) to represent his randomly dispersed heavy breathi– wait a minute, it is him.
Which theory? That you’re not a writer? You just reaffirmed it.
That you are white? well, you say you aren’t and trolls are very reliable. So my apologies.
But do you mind checking your race again once the drugs wear off? and do check if you still see the “girlfriend or 2″ you talked about (painting eyes and a mouth on your left and right hands doesn’t count).
And you are a TROLL, you fit the description to a T. calling us that is a case of projection.
It’s cute that you created your own parallel definition of Troll, according to which, surprise surprise, you are not, but in the real world outside your “mind” you so fucking are. Sorry.
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From RationalWiki “Don’t feed the trolls”:
Characteristics
A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in :
Deliberately angering people.
Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion.
Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site.
Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion.
Motives
It is probable that, for the troll, the last point is the most important. To this end it will post deliberately inflammatory messages which generate inflammatory responses; complain about being the victim of the inflammatory responses; endeavor to obtain allies against the discrimination it feels; turn on those same allies, etc. etc. The whole objective of the exercise being to make the troll feel that it is the most important thing on the site.
If a poster begins to post comments along the lines of, “Can’t you see how stupid you all are?” or “I keep laughing at all of you,” there is high probability that the poster is a troll.
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Reminds you of someone?
^Yet you STILL feed me…
*passing the blunt* lMAO…
In My Ass Off?!?
Thank God you weren’t serious about befriending these fags Infected. Don’t be fooled. I’ve been here a while and they’re just as bad if not worse than they claim you to be. Keep making these fags squirm buddy!
“Keep making these fags squirm”
Sounds like something a prison rapist would say.
Reminds me of one of the greatest movies of all time: DELIVERANCE
Is there gonna be a Burt Reynolds centric episode?????
Yep and you keep eating it…..
I AM THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ON THIS SITE. REKANIZE NYUCKAS! *ahem*… sorry… I was momentarily possessed by the ghost of Stinkmeaner.
Why am I blue?
That’s better… ahhhh…
Still not working. You ok dude?
The page breaks up when it gets this long (maybe cause I’m using an old version of Firefox?), so I was typing in url box on accident.
Anyone else nauseated with all the faith and prayer references? The so-called theme of this show is similar to the way obscurantist theologians justify and explain fairy tales to the faithful flock of sheep. Some people love to be manipulated as long as you can hijack their skepticism with an emotional dopamine and oxytocin fix.
Also, the show is a long series of ‘deepities’(see Daniel Dennett) which are concepts with two different readings. One is true in a trivial sense but appear profound in a second. They are meant to explain away nonsense without raising doubt. If one still has questions then add more deepites. Repeat the cycle until all doubt is erased or brain melts whichever comes first.
Cheers
Even the faith and prayer references are half-ass like the rest of the show.
“EXACTLY”
This site is amazing. I found it through my building rage and desire to vent after watching this last episode. They kept all of us tuned in with the promises of answers for way too long and then serve us this hot plate of bullshit. A CORK! They chided people for stating that the Island was pergatory. Instead they offer this convaluted biblically themed migraine. Do they feel any embarassment at this point for what they put out there? Probably not is what I am guessing. Enough Lost Fans to fellate their swelled heads.
Welcome aboard.
lol. You guys are all way too angry.
What do you mean you guys?
^She’s talking about people who aren’t “swooning”…
BOOM
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND GUYS!
Patrick T. is a she?
One of the twelve year old “nice girls” you’re banging who you recruited to pretend to be another troll?
You’re shameless, I’ll give you that much.
OK Matt, see ya around dude…..
can mommy play too?
OK, so your Matt (infected) Fox’s mom eh?????
You know the show. Whenever mommy calls, little Mattie comes-a-running…
DO I SEEM ANGRY TO YOU PLIMP, GODDAMMIT?????
Firs Nico now you too? It’s ok man. I’ll talk you down. What color was the acid you took.
Well it kinda small purpleish colored and tasted kinda nasty, because I just sucked on it between my teeth and lip.
Oh man. That’s a Purple Nurple!
Ok…cold beer, relaxing with your feet up and listening to some classic rock is the only cure. I recommend Budweiser, Pink Floyd, Emerson Lake And Palmer and of course Deep Purple.
I wish!!!!! I aint had no microdot in probably twenty years. I live right smack dab in the middle of Arizona. Like nowheresville man, you can’t find any of that shit around here. Plus I am to old everybody looks at me and thinks NARK….. So I don’t even try…..
Every good blog needs a good in every aspect doctor. But only we have Dr. Plimp…..
I’M SO ANGRY I COULD BREAK A MAGICAL MIRROR RIGHT NOW FOR NO APPARENT REASON!!! AAAHHHH
don’t break a mirror. you don’t want 7 more years of lost.
No shit, HEY SOMEBODY GRAB THAT CRAZY MONKEY!!!!!
OK, calm down everybody and garher aroun I got some big news here. I heard it right from the horses asses mouths, Lindolf & Cuse that is. They give the name of the last episode. It is so creative that I had three “OMG” times and almost tinkled a little bit!!!!! You guys would never guess this in a million years. The last episode is officially called. The envelope please………… Its gonna be called THE END……………BOOM………..SUCKFEST BE DONE……….
Remember “Some Like It Hoth”. What they hid in that title was “Some Like I Thoth”.
THE END > THEE N.D.
My guess it ends in North Dakota, the Bible and the Sturgis Biker Rally are involved. If not… then I have to ask the writers then why the fuck not? It makes more sense and has higher ratings potential than the shit sandwich they’re serving up…
the writers are so creative and smart. Cheers Darlton!
Hey Richard don’t feel bad for not being absolved.
Who will absolve the Pope for moving his child rape crew around the world so they can sample fresh ‘meat’?
Personally, Hell is paradise compared to a Heavenly place full of smug religious fanatics.
and heaven is a place where 12-year old choir boy pre-evacuated shit surrounds cardinals’ cocks
Locke will soon be raised from the dead like the ideal Jesus candidate that Jacob has found. Smokie is the anti-Christ. Remember, Jesus had to go down to get the keys from Hell after death and before resurrection. John is the sacrificial Lamb who will get Richard’s keys and forgive all sins. Then everyone will go their respective eternal ways. Look up the Lost photo shoot that resembles the last supper painting by Leonardo.
rAmen
Cheers
None of this matters. What’s important is that Jack is going to have a big role in this. Possibly be the next Jacob. Why, oh why, I ask you, could the writers not impale him on a stake, possibly tie him to the breaking wheel?
I am for this idea 100%.
i wanna see a flashback to episode one where the past changes: jack gets sucked into the plane engine and becomes the red mist monster
OK fine, either way makes no difference to me.
Just watched the last episode. What an embarrassment! And this is what it’s all about? Really? Religious bull crap about good versus evil? This crap was never ever planned right fro the beginning. Booooooorrrrriiiiing!
yeah don’t ya love how lost isn’t even about the main characters anymore? it’s just about 2 strangers introduced in season 6. that’s what i call good writing! we got the deus ex m. how bout the retcon?
I’m not the first to explore the concept, but I’ve fully embraced it: If you watch these episodes as just random short stories, they’re actually pretty good. They make me remember why I used to love the show but ended up here, however many years ago (three?).
Now, if you watch them as episodes of an episodic television series titled “Lost” you’re just asking for frustration, but in a vacuum most of this season has been pretty good.
u think they will ever explain the exotic matter?
If they do I bet it will be some lame ass shit that don’t make ant sense what so ever. Just like a wooden ship demolishing a concrete statue. Even if the ship was able to, don’t you think it would take it out at the ankh, I mean ankles, so where is the other foot?????
Or the rest of the statue for that matter.
p.s. My name is a Violent Femmes song, never mentioned it… But this board hasn’t seen a political debate in awhile… So do you think Jacob is actually Obama and the MIB is the TeaParty or what?
/troll
lol
Good call. Jacob is a clever hustler who manipulates his followers into believing he’s doing something good for them while he’s actually screwing them over. (Obama/Democrats)
The MIB is an amoral con man too (Republicans) who wants to screw everybody over as well but he is currently not as powerful as Jacob so ostensibly he can’t.
Their followers are fanatics who either blindly love and believe every word their leader tells them without verification (Jacob/Obama) or they are insanely angry and want to kill the other leader and his followers even though they can’t articulate a coherent reason why they want to do that (MIB/Republicans/Tea Party).
So, we have two powerful scumbags manipulating the masses into doing their fighting for them yet the masses don’t actually stand to gain anything if they win the struggle their hero has them fighting for.
I’m cheering for both sides to lose.
Pretty good observation, with the general idea to manipulate the masses for selfish appeal. Yep sounds just like our government.
My new thing instead of counting sheep is to come up with different plots which would’ve made Lost more entertaining (so far I haven’t run out), here’s one:
They should’ve started at an earlier point in history ie. during the ice age. How cool would that be? I’d rather see a cave man scene like in the beginning of The X Files movie than all these LAX flashbacks. The whole scientist (Darma), soldier, original inhabitants (others) is cool, but again I wish that had added a historical aspect to it. Throw some roman legionaries in there, or tie in the fact that Egyptians considered their Pharoa to be God. Finally include the island as a pseudo-living entity. Sort of like a virus- not alive, but still capable of interacting. One way to do this would be to have the island influence time by looking for the path of least resistence, so it always returns history to its natural course, unless one of the people mucks about with it. And you could even throw in a little multiple dimensions in there, maybe the interactions, when they merge two different timelines, cause the whispers, and voila! much better sci fi show.
Now if only someone could make a time machine, go back in time, and shoot JJ Abrams in the face.
I’ve watched Lost from the beginning, never had any major complaints about any of the episodes because I assumed that they would explain things well in the end. After watching ‘Ab Aeterno’ it’s clear that there is no plan for lost, they are making up this deus ex machina horseshit as they go along. Richard’s backstory with Isabella was a melodramatic piece of shit that was pulled out of thin air. The black Rock hitting the statue and somehow ending up in the middle of the island ruined two mysteries at once with the same bullshit “revelation”. These are the answers we’ve been waiting for? Come on. Jacob and Man in Black in this episode are parodies of the ones we saw in “The Incident”. That cork analogy was fucking useless. Why not just say the island is keeping some evil in place? We need a fucking analogy to explain something so simple? And how was that an answer to anything? Jacob’s magical touch that makes Richard live forever was also pathetic. He might as well have have taken out a magic wand and sprinkled pixie dust. What a fucking waste of time, the creators must have read some shitty fan fiction online to come up with the convoluted piece of rat shit.
i was at least hoping richard’s non-aging was because he somehow managed to transcend time and space and figure out a way to maintain a separateness from the island’s time-travel related boundaries. i have no clue what i’m talking about but god damn the magic touch was such a letdown. if lost is just about jacob and mib, what was all that time travel stuff about anyway?
The greatest Richard TT theory (I think I came up with it, but..,) Is that whenever you travel back in time you don’t begin to age until you catch up with yourself..So it’s like if you’re 40 and you travel back 10 years in time, you don’t age to become 41 for 11 more years.
This would also explain why Locke could walk and why Rose didn’t have cancer, because when they landed on timeloop island they were in a place where they hadn’t caught up with themselves yet. The island (because of Desmond suppressing the TT energy via the button) was in like 1992 or something (IIRC) when they first crashed so they were in a time where Locke could walk and Rose had no cancer.
This show was 1000 times better when we thought it was more about Time Travel. Now it’s fucked because you can answer every mystery with Jacob’s magical powers and that’s gay!
The fans really had so many good ideas they SHOULD HAVE STOLEN!!
As of late they have been reading fairy tales. So you can bet we will be seeing Sleeping Beauty, Prince Charming, the Tooth Fairy and the Three Billy Goats Gruff. The goats and John Not John are going to team up and take out our losties and Whidmores tribe, and show them all that they can go trip trapping across any goddamn bridge they want to!!!!!
This will be post 555. To bad it isn’t 666 it would be more fitting for this religious trip they seem to be on…..
I still think ABC had a hand in this final season of Lost.
They said to the Lost writers, “Hey guys, we need to dumb down the final season in a big way in order to get the Lost dummies into watching the “new Lost” – FLASHFORWARD. We need some coherence here. This network move is more important than the all of the stupid questions you have been asking all of these years, and promised you would answer. That ridiculous crap is all behind us now. We want you to ABC-ize this show with a lot of worthless emotion and situations that no one cares about, with plenty of overly emotional sound tracks at the wrong time, and mis-placed close-ups would be good too. Give it a Telemundo touch. Can you do that guys?” The Lost writers said, “Yes sir, you got it boss!”
Hence, we now have the 6th and final season of Lost.
CEO – Pope Ratzi
COO – Robert Iger
HR Admin – J. J. Abrams
Tech Writer III – Damon Lindelof
There is a show on TLC called ‘Hoarders’ about people inflicted with a pathological compulsion to accumulate stuff, and (literally) fill their houses with it.
If you think about it, isn’t Jacob a hoarder? Doesn’t he collect people from all over the world, and refuses to let them go? and if they do leave, he manipulates them to come back.
In the TLC show they have a psychologist who tries to persuade the person to quit that destructive habit; but looking at some of the hoarders you know they’ll return to their old ways in no time, so for them only death is a cure – which is exactly what Jacob admitted.
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I think that when the writers met and discussed the subject of manipulation, they figured out that most people will do almost anything for a loved one. True. But because they had to write so many episodes and introduced so many characters they used and used and used this idea Ad nauseam.
Basically, the writers made a lot of characters have a “separation” or “missing a loved one” issue, where the characters is separated from or lost a loved one, and is willing to go to great lengths to reunite. It seems to be Smokey’s main recruiting tool: Claire and Sayid made a deal with him, Richard didn’t. Let’s see if Hurly will (if the writers didn’t forget about Libby), and it doesn’t seem that Smokey promised Sawyer to bring Juliet back, but maybe he did or maybe Sawyer should be with Kate. Smokey also used the anger of losing Alex to convince Ben to kill Jacob.
However, the others (i.e. Jacob) have used it to their advantage with Michael who became a murderer in order to get his son back, and when persuading Sun to return to the island.
We also had other separated characters like Bernard and Rose, Desmond and Penny, Rousseau and Alex. These weren’t manipulated by Jacob or Smokie, but there is a case to be made that they were manipulated by The Losties to help them with their causes, or at least this need to reunite made them become willing participants in the (main) Losties’ K-razy shenanigans.
Talk about milking an idea to the point of ridiculousness.
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So let me guess, it could be that Smokie and MIB are father (mother?) and son. and Smokie became like that for a love of a woman, or a man (or a confused teenage boy, who knows?). I mean, if you put so many characters with father issues and who miss a loved one, it better have some relation to the real story behind the island. or it all was just a waste of everybody’s time, and they’d never do that, would they?
It’s perhaps mute at this point…
moot
Previous post tweaked my curiosity and I googled Flashforward, then got to (Penelope Widmore). She’s listed as 35, but she looks 108
check it out
No makeup and bad lighting.
Here’s one of Oceanic 815
plane
Same thing. No makeup and bad lighting.
Ah…What a fun weekend…Me and the Party of Five gang got back togeth…oops…
Wow after watching again, man what a visually superb and epic palette of cinematic superlative this episode was…This episode WILL WIN an Emmy for cinematography…
Yeah, there were problems…The show might be about a genie in a bottle…But in-terms of visual grit vs. visual beauty, there is nothing close to LOST, perhaps anywhere…
Nestor Castorbell, fucking Batmanuel…Why the fuck have you not TRIED to play more serious roles…Best performance of his whole career, barnone…
If the rest of the season can somehow keep this tone, maybe 20% of this forum won’t really murder themselves…
BOOM
BAPTISM
Ya Nestor Carbonell is a much better actor Jack and Kate, but as so many people have pointed out, the show has desensitized to the point where we are incapable of noticing the flaws in this episode (ie. it’s a fucking soap opera)
Hey Matt, great weekend so far eh? Chillin with your party of five buds having a gay ole time i bet. So you thought this episode was pretty good with all the cry baby magical fairyland express touching eh? Makes me wonder what part of ole Nestor you like! Kinda crazy you being BMOC and all, that you aint got nothing better to do with your weekend but watch reruns of LOST. Sounds sucky to me…..
Ah if it isn’t gray-nuts..
Hmmmmmm…rewatching eps of a show, or reposting every 5 mins about hating said show? What’s more “nothing better to do”?
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Not a Matlock mystery gramps…Your life sucks faaaaaar more than mine…I still had time to cheat on my GF after watching an epic 50mins of Ab Aeterno…
I had something to do…
I don’t have anything better to do. No job no money makes no where to go. Don’t really suck, OK yes it does. Oh, hey Matt just how is it you know what color the hair on my nads is? You been peeking in my windows or what?????
He’s not Infected. I am.
Bob is that you?
ABC plans to charge $900,000 per 30-sec spot for the Lost finale. Here’s the link:
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I think they should charge more just because Lost will be the biggest “event” show of the week and you’ll have a lot of people showing up who have either abandoned the series or never seen it before. Would be interesting to see if someone who has never watched the show can even make sense of the finale.
For comparison purposes, the 2010 Super Bowl reportedly charged around $3.1 mil a spot.
Hell I have been watching this suckfest from the start and i’ll be goddamned if I can make heads or tails out of this shit. It started out as a show about some plane crash survivors on some kind of mysterious island and ends up being about two magical demi gods battling over good and evil. I wouldn’t be suprised if the last episode is about Kate laying on a sofa in some shrinks office saying, “I am having such a hard time struggling with this good and evil that keep fighting each other in my head.” The camera pans back and we see Ben Linus sitting there writing something on a little note pad, with a shit eating grin on his face…..THE END…..
I didn’t want to be the first one to say it but no, this show doesn’t make a hell of a lot of sense. I have always leaned towards the “Twin Peaks” ending. Twin Peaks ends with a little banner appearing on the screen which says, “This Is The Last Episode. You May Quit Watching Now.” And there are very few shows that made any less fucking sense than Twin Peaks…until now…
Some guy who has written a book about the Lost/religion angle says that he thinks the finale will have a lot to do with Aaron. Considering that D & C have completely LIED about everything in Lost having a scientific explanation, it wouldn’t surprise me if we are on the path of full-blown religious spectacle from here on out.
And Smokie Not Locke is right, of course, about NO ONE being able to make sense of what’s going on. I was thinking more along the lines of: could a complete newbie even enjoy the finale as a stand-alone attraction, or would he just give up and leave the party early? I think he would be out the door after about 20 minutes.
Gotcha! Based on what we have seen for the last three seasons from these dipshits 20 minutes would be asking alot…..
i have a feeling tonight’s episode will be awful considering that it’s following a supposedly “significant” episode. if the writers can ruin sawyer like they did, i can’t wait to see the number they do on jin and sun. the two still don’t meet up in this episode by the way. they meet in episode 14. the previous three sentences were spoilers, so spoiler alert.
i was wrong. i meant 13. they die in 14
If you idiots just watched it from the beginning you wouldn’t be so lost.
I think most of us watched the episode from the beginning.
Don’t make me do what I had to do to you last week again this week! Glad to see ya made it though…..
Description for tonight’s episode. I can’t wait. “Have you seen Jin” for an entire freaking hour…
Sun and Jin continue to search for each other; Locke confronts his enemy.
I need to find my wife. Have you seen my wife. PLEASE I NEED TO FIND MY GODDAMNED WIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ummm, sorry I got a little anxious there, I just really love Jin & Sun centric episodes…..NOT…..
HI from Italy, i think that this was by far the best episode since the serie restarted, i think that authors understood the deep hole they where heading and are trying to avoid centering, but its far too late now…
and , may i add some ‘no’ too ??
no bulging eye Ben staring nothing and whispering,
“if you don’t do that , we all are going to die”
FUCK THIS FUCKING SHOW!!! ARE FUCKING KIDDING ME? THE FUCKING ISLAND IS FUCKING HELL? WHAT THE FUCK ARE TALKING ABOUT? IT IS FUCKING AMAZING HOW THIS FUCKING WRITTERS FUCK THE SHOW EVEN MORE EVERY EPISODE THAT GOES ON!!! I BEEN WAITING ALL THIS FUCKING TIME TO WATCH THIS SHOW TO REALIZE THAT THE SHOW IS FICCTION:
FIRST TIME FUCKING TRAVELING
SECOND THE ISLAND IS HELL AND THAT IS WHY HAS ALL THIS SUPER POWERS
BUT THIRD AND NOT LIST SMOKEY IS THE DEVIL!! YESSSS !!!! THE FUCKING DEVIL!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? HE WAS SUPPOSLY A FUCKING SECURITY SYSTEM CALLED CERBERUS AND NOW HE IS THE DEVIL!!! FUCK YOU WRITTERS!! WHAT FUCKING JACOB IS JESUS OR GOD? OR WHO THE FUCK IS HIM?
GOD DAMN IF I SEE ONE FUCKING LOST WRITTER ON THE STREET, I AM GOING TO TAKE THE SHIT OUT OF HIM!!! BECAUSE THIS SHOW FROM BEEN RATIONAL, MYSTERY AND COOL IT BECAME FICCTIONAL AND RELIGOUS BULL SHIT!! GOD I AM SO GOING TO KICK ANY LOST WRITTER ASS IF I SEE ONE ON THE STREET!! BREAK THEIR FUCKING LEGS!!
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