Episode 14: The candidate
My vote is for Nikki
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You know to do…..
you all everybody…
You said it brotha. I don’t think anyone could ever come up with a better response…..
Dammit I got all excited about being the first to post. Should be, you know what to do…..
So far, so sucky.
Have you ever been told that you look like a big juicy penis!!!!
yes
I’m glad that Jin and Sun are finally dead…all of a sudden Sayeed is good?? I thought Sayeed turned to the dark side? Now he takes one for the team?
UGGGHHH when did this show start to suck? Oh yeah, season 4.
Why didn’t Sayid shut the door behind? It’s little details like this I don’t get. That explosion still would have killed everyone.
they killed off the Kim’s?
So that is how Daniel could film Hawaii 5-0 while Lost was still going on…
Well at least I’ll have one thing to look forward to in this episode, if I ever get around to watching it.
He became good last episode when he didn’t kill Desmond.
Also, Hurley mentioned Anakin.
Thanks for the spoiler btw, I still havent seen the ep
Nobody but the Jacob lovers said he was infected and we know Jacob’s a damn liar and a douchebag and thank god Across the Sea finally justified my hatred for him and his followers
God, this show is terrible.
Even V looks good after that. All I can do is shake my head.
I thought it would fun to watch Jin and Sun die. That was painful. I wanted bullets in their heads, or for them to get blown to bits, but Titanic? Really? So sickening.
And uhhhh why didn’t they take the bomb down the hallway when there was 3 minutes left and then run back to the other end? Oh I guess because Sayid was supposed to die. Maybe he can join Jin and Charlie and have a “people who didn’t actually need to die, but did” party.
oops be fun
Ah yes, Charlie’s death was one of the early major things that made me think the show sucks.
unnecessary except for unsatisfying drama.
Or put the bomb in the torpedo tube and send it to explode harmlessly away from the sub? Or worst case blow up in the tube-which are built to handle torpedo mishaps.
That was A-BYS-MAL.
Sayid suddenly turns noble without so much as a rhyme or reasoning behind it; great writing. Then again, we never learn WHY he turned evil to begin with.
Jin and Sun spend two years apart, reunite, then die; great writing. Well, at least there won’t be anymore “Have you seen my husband, Jin?” or “I have to go find my wife, Sun.” shenanigans. Oh, and Jin PROBABLY could have saved the both of them if he would have told Yoko to shut her yap long enough for him to dislodge her from the shrapnel. She spent more time yammering away at him than he did trying to free her.
Lapidus is dead, too. Poor Jeff Fahey. Such an iconic actor reduced to one or two lines per episode and is then killed off.
The bomb scene made me laugh out loud. I hate the “remove this wire” cliche.
Such dreck.
I’ve never seen another show were the characters exist solely to draw out the plot without actually doing ANYTHING.
Jin and Jack could have had less meaningful stare time and they probably together could have freed her.
For all you know, Sun or Jin will coem back as a ghost to Hurley and ask “Where is my husband/wife?” :-p.
Have you seen my husband, Casper Kwon?
LMAO!!!
ROTFL
jin and sun are the worst parents ever.
Yeah I bet my hubby that Jin is going to survivie because Sun is going to melodramatically get a promise from him saying that he’ll live and take care of their daughter. Needless to say, the characters on Lost don’t behave like normal parents do :-p.
“Sayid suddenly turns noble without so much as a rhyme or reasoning behind it; great writing. Then again, we never learn WHY he turned evil to begin with.”
-Dude, I never thought of that. Double fail. Two birds with one bomb: now Darlton won’t have to explain either of those.
“Lapidus is dead, too.”
-Did he die? I totally missed that. This show blows. Porn has better plot elements
It’s hard to take criticism against Lost seriously, as the majority of the people are like you; they have poor comprehension and recollection of past episodes.
Think about why Sayid didn’t kill Desmond and you’ll have your answer for his motivation.
The reason he turned bad in the first place is that he was “claimed,” although that is only partially resolved.
It’s hard to take criticism from people like you who come to a sucks site to say how smart the stupid fucking show you like is. Now I ask you. Just how fucking smart is that? Not very…..
I’m bored and looking for something amusing to read. It’s not like Lost-haters don’t ever find their way to Lost forums and support sites.
Now, why would you be a watching a show you’re dedicated to hating? “Just how fucking smart is that?”
OK, lets clear one thing up right off the bat here. I do go to the fuselage once in a while when things are quiet around here. I every now and again will post too. There is a huge difference though. There they do not allow a person to speak or write freely. It took many tries just to have a post stick. After numerous warnings, scoldings and even an infraction I was able to have a few stick. I had to phrase everything to their liking though. What I am getting at here, is if it was exactly opposite at this site, it being a sucks site, or as your type like to call it a “haters” site. If it was the opposite though, it would be your comments that would not stick. So your comment about haters on lover sites is completely irrelevant. I know of no lover site that lets you speak freely without moderators. That is why this site is not only uniquely the best, but also incomparably the best LO$T web site ever. All that and you will probably never be back to read it. So I guess I am doing what I do best. Waisting my time…..
playa, the show is really bad. There are severe plot holes which stretch suspension of disbelief to the point of total absurdity. The writing is very poor. I suspect that the writers wrote far too much filler, and now they don’t have time to answer even the questions that are necessary to even satisfy the hard core fans. People want to know what significance the music had, the books had, the philosopher names had, how the others get detailed intel, how Locke’s dad got to the island, why the women couldn’t have children, why Radzinksy drew that map, how the others got around the sonic fence, why the smoke monster is smoke.
A good show would explain all of this as it went along. Then the end would have an even bigger reveal. Instead, Darlton decided to give no answer as the show went along, and a few at the very end.
People tend to overestimate how long it will take to address all these questions. If anything significant is unresolved by the end of the series, I will be pretty bummed. But as it stands, Lost has served as quality entertainment throughout its entire span (with the exception of that episode about Jack’s tattoo); I won’t regret watching it.
Some of the things you list are inconsequential, while others are of course legitimate concerns. The majority of your concerns, in my opinion, are tied into some of the big mysteries of the island; address those and others answers will be implied or will follow. Why Radzinsky drew the blast door map, for example, or how Locke’s dad got to the island (Ben’s ‘box’), might have relation to the EM properties of the island. The Others have massive resources off the island, not to mention stuff like Jacob’s lighthouse and Smokey’s ability to scan minds, which can account for the Others’ detailed intel. I don’t mean to say they’re resolved, but as I see them being tied in with some of the major mysteries of the show, I forsee they will be resolved. Again, if they aren’t, I will be disappointed, but I still will have enjoyed following Lost. The writers know what they are doing; even minor things like the Hurley bird will be revealed, as has been publically disclosed.
I really want to visit this site next week. Next week’s episode, according to Darlton, is going to show that they weren’t making things up as they went along. It is pretty clear that they had the whole Jacob-MIB thing in mind from the beginning, for example. It will, in addition, answer more questions than any episode before it. It has been publically revealed that some of the answers will be how smokey became the way he is, MIB’s mother, the frozen wheel, Adam and Eve, and a few others I forget.
Now, I don’t see your complaints as unfounded or baseless. Lost is a largely character-driven show and I can understand how the piling up of mystery can be frustrating. I take issue with your equate the pace at which answers are revealed with what a “good show” would do; it’s obvious many of the mysteries are connected with the big reveal, hence why they’ve been unanswered. This being the case, it won’t take long to tackle all of them.
Don’t have the patience to edit this, so apologies if anything is communicated unclearly.
I will pick your post to pieces once i’ve got time again.
OMG, I’ve actually NO TIME FOR THAT RIGHT NOW!!!
Thank you.
Well said playa
why was he claimed?
who/what claimed him?
How was he claimed?
How can you get rid of a claim by pure evil faster and easier than rid of an ordinary cold?
And most of all: what the hell is exactly the quality that makes you “claimable”?
Off topic: Why does magical ash only works while fu manchu is alive?
Please help me as I “have poor comprehension and recollection of past episodes.”
Help me!!!!
Playa? Hello!? I need you here on that!!! PLEASE!!!
Okay, here’s a serious critique, “Playa”…of why this show is a terribly written piece of garbage. (And has degenerated season by season). Let’s compare two “answers”:
Season 1:
Remember when Hurley thinks he’s cursed by the numbers, and marches off to find Rousseau and ask her about them? He asks her about them. Of course she doesn’t know much about them, but agrees maybe they’re cursed or something. Hurley is grateful and relieved; he’s at long last found someone that doesn’t think he’s totally nuts, which is really what he was looking for.
And personally, I don’t mind this kind of answer. In real life, you would never expect to know why exactly the guy on Channel 8 picked your winning ping pong balls out of the machine. No one is going to show up and say, “See, the planets were aligned in such a way that only THOSE NUMBERS could be picked.”
The writing in season 1 (with some notable exceptions) was pretty good. Let’s look at —
Season 6:
Ilana is slamming old dynamite around like a stupid fuck. Now she’s been “training her whole life” for her mission on the island. For starters, this is expository, crap writing. We didn’t see any of her training. We don’t much at all about her. And then she blows herself up like an idiot. Of course even this isn’t the real problem.
Shortly afterwards, Ben, a man who has spent most of his life on the island, who has seen a lot of shit and done a lot of shit, including kill a lot of people himself and see “the island” or Smokey kill people. He says of Ilana’s death:
“The island was done with her.” And then he worries they all might be next.
Uh, actually no. Ilana was handling the dynamite like an idiot. Even the biggest imbecile viewer was expecting her to blow up. And Ben’s reaction was totally out of character. Not to mention for that episode and most of the rest of season 6, his once important character is basically irrelevant. Ilana’s death was stupid and pointless, and Ben’s comments come off as the writer’s just trying to cover their lazy, lazy tracks.
I personally wouldn”t care about a lot of the mysteries if the writing didn’t SUCK SHIT, aka if the ‘mysteries’ were dealt with in a way that might make some sense, aka kind of like Hurley meeting Rousseau in season 1.
And I just remembered! To add insult to injury, someone quips, “Hey – how ’bout them hand grenades!” Hahaha, that’s great. You know, the hand grenades that make Hurley’s heroic action in the Black Rock irrelevant?
The triple threat!!!: The whole purpose of the dynamite is to….blow up an immobilized plane! The idea spearheaded by the oldest and most “in the know” person on the island (supposedly)!
Anyone that defends this show as anything other than laughable entertainment must be joking.
Sayid turned bad because John Locke (not the real one) promised him he would get to see his dead wife if he did his bidding, something you would have known if you’d watched the show. Instead of looking for faults.
They killed off four characters and it STILL sucks ass.
4 characters in one episode!!! Do Darlton not realize that they had 6 fuckin season to do some of this? I have an IQ higher than a soy bean, I can put together the fact that smokey has been killing these guys all along, it doesn’t have to happen in one episode for me to grasp it.
It may not have been hard to see that it was MIB’s intention to kill them all, but it wasn’t obvious. He did give a good reason for requiring their help.
Not obvious??? Are we watching the same show? Or are you just a bigger idiot than I already thought you were? I think the latter fits you well…..
As I stated, MIB gave a reasonable alternative explanation; he needed to use them to leave the island. Otherwise, it wouldn’t work, in the same manner that all of them needed to be there in the flight to Guam.
From your image here, I’m guessing your reasoning for it being obvious was the fact that “Smokey is bad, therefore he will kill them.”
ok for this small one i’ll take the time:
It was not obvious because of “the fact that “Smokey is bad, therefore he will kill them.” ”
it was obvious for us because we know by now that the writers are that smallbrained that they really think that all other people are as stupid as they are, which is why the writers are thinking that it would be a real big revelation that Smokey is really bad as it was always implied as they think all the audience (who is stupid, remember?) will think that the revelation the writers are up to is that smokey is indeed good. And the writer get the feeling that they are really ingenious as they were able to allegedly predict the audience’s assumption.
its always the same scheme. And even when not: WHO CARES ANYMORE???!!!
it makes me vomit!!
Nobody cares anymore b/c the show has no central purpose.
it was obvius because the idea of that plane flying was just ridicule.
Not even one of the characters said at any moment “how is that plane going to fly?” that’s horrible writting.
It was obvious, if he killed them all he would be gauranteed to kill Jacobs succesor, the only thing preventing him from leaving the island.
How come Sawyer made everyone risk their lives getting on a sub full of and surrounded by people with guns when they’ve got the Smoke Monster on their side? It didn’t occur to everyone that he can just go ahead and kill every single one of Widmore’s men while they chill out?
True dat. Was asking myself the same godman question.
More to the point, smokey can withstand bullets, I’m pretty sure he can withstand a power check from the doc.
PUKSTER
THAT WAS FUNNY
CARRY ON
Agreed.
Asking for Smokey’s assistance would entail letting him aboard the submarine and he clearly did not want that. They were caught by surprise by all those men surrounding the sub.
So why didn’t he just smoke monster out then and take care of it? Dude you make about as much sense as this show does. NONE…..
Even if they don’t want smokey to attack alone and to get on the sub this way therefor not proposing it to him, atleast jack or one of the other equally moronic idiots should have noticed, that it’s strange, that smokey hasn’t come up on his own with the idea of cleaning the sub himself (”I could kill everybody anywhere within a second… “) but is instead asking for their help although he would be much more effective. Every character worth to be called one would have realized in a second that smokey is up to something!
Completely lostified you are just trying to come up with anything to justify the writers’ inanities. But those have become so big that as I just showed you there is no way you can possibly do it anymore!! So just stop it, please!
Oh and of course now you could still say ‘OK, they were under such intense stress nobody of them realized it’
Wow, what a great show thats only logically bearable when there ‘characters’ are meant to be declared lobotomized retards!
“its” not “there”
Playa!! Come on!! Answer me! Don’t ignore me !
lets start a discussion! Please!!
Ha!!! He aint coming back. Its like this. How many times does a puppy have to get his nose rubbed in his own shit before he learns to do it outside? Same with this joker. There is absolutely no way to defend this shitfest because there isn’t anything credible from it you can actually use in a line of defense…..
Because he wanted them on the sub knowing full well that it had the bomb on board to kill all the candidates.
So let me get this straight, we unnecessarily waited a week for that turd-fest which only further complicated the already helpless plot of this show that’s scheduled to end in a handful of episodes?
Bad Robot.
Next week’s episode is Jacob/MIB-centric and will answer more questions than any episode before it.
Which means it will hit a whole new level of suckiness.
Thats exactly what it sounded like to me. If this ignorant fuck thinks anything of any importance will be answered, then he is dumber than a rock…..
Well, since “less” impossible…
Okay playa, you seem to think it’s significant the writers always planned to have Jacob/MIB in the show.
BIG FUCKING DEAL. Here’s why:
Say you’re a writer “back in the day”, and King James taps you to write the Bible. The only direction he gives is: “A savior named Jesus is born in a manger. Somewhere in his life he has a nemesis. Ultimately he’s betrayed by a friend and he’s crucified. By the way, this needs to be 10,000 pages long (Six Seasons).”
You realize immediately, you have a lot of wiggle room. You can probably include that short story you wrote, but couldn’t get published because all the advertising dollars were going to some asinine, lowest common denominator piece of entertainment (LOST), so you include your masterpiece, “The Parable of Nikki and Paolo.” You’re low on material so you stick in there somewhere your stories of “The Adventures of Henry Gale” and “Jesus Finds a Shitty Job Building an Airport”.
Luckily your sloppily put together piece of shit is so long and drawn out, with recently introduced characters immediately being killed and replaced by other ignoramuses, no one seems to notice or give a shit, and at the 10,000 page mark you wrap it up the way the King wanted.
note: I only use the Bible because it seems to fit in with the show, no commentary intended on the writing in the Bible. Only the shit writing on LOST.
Also, since the Man In Black has been trapped on this island for easily thousands of years, how is it that he knows how to rig a pack of C4 to a wrist-watch? Is there a Bomb Squad hatch somewhere on the island?
Especially remarkable as he had on the other hand never heard of “mice and men”!
Try this on for size. How does that much C4 not blow up the entire sub when it was originally intended to blow up an entire plane (even before take off)? How does the explosive decompression not squish everyone? How does the pressure not rupture their ear drums?
Umm is this a press conference?
Hehehee
.
We don’t have time for this *starts aimless jungle trek*
Never ask me that again…..
He can scan people’s brains, as has been demonstrated several times. Think about how he appeared to Ben as Alex.
That don’t mean shit. Thats about as lame an answer as it gets…..
As you came back to that temple-redemption-scene:
Ben, the longtime mastermind of the others (versions 1-5), goes to be redeemed by ‘the island’ to the one entity that is pure evil and he even doesn’t know it ???!!!!!
What a bullshit!!!!!
That is the problem (atleast one of many) of LOST:
During the last 6 (!) years,
everybody has already known everything at one time and has had no clue of nothing one episode later,
everybody has already wanted to do everything you can do on this island and just wasn’t interested anymore only one episode later,
everybody has already had every possible state of mind, point of view and philosophical attitude known to mankind, changing it with no rhyme or reason,
every character has allready been every other chracter,
they are all interchangeable and indistinguishable by now which makes them uninteresting, unintriguing, UNSPECIAL and UNIMPORTANT!!!! They are not characters anymore but mere plotdevices arbitrarily abused by the writers.
Yeah I thought about it, that’s fucking great. Nowhere in that scene does it imply that this gives Smokie Matrix-style, fast learning skills, or any evidence that he took over the body of an expert.
It’s a writer’s job to put together a story that makes sense. Either that or he/she can at least provide the audience with the means to put together situations for themselves. These writers have gone a step beyond and created an audience that is willing to bend over backwards and plug in things that AREN’T THERE.
The writers say they’re jumping ship after the series, that the show has to stand on its own. Unfortunately, this is correct, and a point constantly violated in podcasts and by the fans themselves.
The fans seem to want it both ways. They’ll defend the show on its merits, and in the next breath say “well, it keeps me entertained, so I’m willing to blah blah blah.”
LOST = AMERICAN IDOL = BREAD & CIRCUSES
True!!!
I’m reading the comments at DarkSUCKSFO. These people are DELUDED! I have NEVER seen this much gushing over what amounts to a vat of donkey dung!
While watching the Sun/Jin death scene I knew hard core fans would be fapping to how artistic/deep/original it was
Orignial my foot.
The whole submarine filling up with water reminded me of Poseidon adventure (the old movie) and their death was total Titanic :-p.
Is that the movie with the original Leslie Neilson role?
as the captain, yeahh!
Why would two Koreans say their last wards together in English? Are they really from England or LA? Something to think about…
WOW!!! I still have a half an hour before the show starts. After what I have read so for I almost don’t want to watch it…..
What happened to Miles? and Ben?
Okay I looked it up. They rigged the plane with the explosives. Sooooo why didn’t they detonate it? And where the hell did they go afterward?
They did? Then why were Widsnore’s “men” guarding it?
And why did they build a stair worthy of Gilligan’s Island’s Professor.
Where’s Richard?
You mean DIck?
He’s jacking Ben off in Jacob’s old cabin.
I thought they burnt that to the ground. Just saying that is. Don’t mean they couldn’t be doing that same thing somewhere else…..
How pathetic would it be if they wrote them out of the series like Rose and Bernard
Wow you’d think I just finished watching an hour of baboon ass-meat (That comes on CBS)…Good episode for me…Things in the altverse will merge with the realverse…Just a matter of time my meercats…
3 episodes left until masochistic tears flow all over this site…Till the Oxycontin-smelling fake-beards fall off these members faces as they scream…
“We have to go back!!! We have to go back!!”
Can’t go back bitches, enjoy the final ride…
Well at least The Boondocks is back. The return of the real…
Downloaded it already and will be watching it later this week for certain…Since there is NOTHING on TV except 10 ep HBO series’ I’m leery of anything you snobs like…
So you like watching baboon ass-meat? I don’t care what channel it comes on. Thats just plain weird dude…..
Just like to clear a couple of things up here. Who are you referencing when you say my meercats? Can tears actually be masochistic? I really don’t get that one. This one is for the people that comment on this site. Do any of you wear oxycontin-smelling fake-beards? If so, please tell me where I can purchase one of them at a discount price. Last but not LO$T. Just where are us bitches supposed to go back to? Just wondering anyways…..
pukiest episode yet my meercats – terms of endearment.
Well, Kate is the only main character who gets shot but is of course still alive. Jabba the Hut must have turned into fuckin’ Michael Phelps to make it back to shore, but I guess his fat helps with buoyancy. Quite a bit of action, but the show makes no sense. What is going on? Now fakeLocke just has to get them to kill each other, not have everyone leave the island? The rules they keep a-changin’. Next week we’re supposed to get a Jacob/Smoke Monster flashback. We might get a glimpse into the “rules” of their “game”, but I’m not hoping for anything definitive.
Good bye Koreans.
Good bye Squinty McGee.
Good bye Terrorist Zombie Sayid.
Good bye 20 other Red shirts.
See you soon Widmore (who must have the bombest ass hiding spot in the world)
See you soon Tina Fey Jr.
Good bye soon Kate. Hopefully Hurley eats you.
Is MIB really smoke monster, or is MIB just another guy who died on the island who smoke monster impersonates? I wonder if smoke monster is impersonating Jacob too. That would be funny.
From the Fuselage:
“”Amazing and just so sad on all levels. I am a huge baby and I cried through out most of it. Even though Anthony Cooper was bad in the OT, I cried when I saw him in the AT.
Sun and Jin…..wow. I cried my eyes out. Its amazing how much you miss the characters after being with them for 6 seasons. Sayid, Frank…. maybe Kate….
When Hurley started crying thats when I really Lost it. He just doesn’t give in like that and to see him break made my heart break. I’m sorry I’m so sappy, I just thought it was the saddest episode ever – or should I say – so far.”"
i’m sure lots of people will be in the “didn’t love it” section because they don’t like what happened, instead of having real complaints like how stupid it’s all become.
seriously? crying over characters who have been nothing but shitty to each other the whole time? rewatch seasons 1 and 2 even, and count the numerous fist fights and double-crosses.
four more idiotic assholes dead. who gives a shit?
When Hurley started crying was when I laughed the loudest.
When Hurley cried I started to curse. when Jack cried I started to puke.
-Because nothing makes a normative person lose their shit like watching a morbidly obese (and therefore entirely lacking in self control) clusterfuck blubber on a beach.
So, will Sayid get his virgins now? Talk about racial profiling; he becomes a suicide bomber in the end.
hahahahahaahahahahaha. he’ll probably go to thefuselage and darkufo to get those virgins.
I guess thats the end of Naveen Andrews’ career
I didn’th think I’dh see the dhay. The wifebeater manufacturers will be terribly disappointed.
And Jin and Sun Suk Wang gone too. I knew there must have been a reason for all the crappy romantic melodrama over the past couple of episodes. How nice of the writers to reunite them so they could drown them in a scene made especially for preteen fangirls. Its all about the romance, kids! Fuck kids and real world responsibilities.
I wonder how many actors wish they’d never signed up for this suckfest. Most of them are far too good for this. Fox and Lilly, however, are exactly where they belong. This show could really destroy a writer’s career prospects.
It appears the show is being written by monkeys with typewriters, and minimal supervision from Demon and Curse (who wrote the magical smoke monster story arc all by themselves). I think what we have finally understood is that Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have absolutely no idea what the word “scientific” is supposed to mean.
Clearly, they meant that all the mysteries on the show were explainable using the tenets of Christian Science i.e. come up with a ludicrous hypothesis, accept it as true, and spend the rest of your life making disingenuous arguments in its defense. There are many things about this show that makes it apt as a “cult” favorite.
It’s funny how they ethnically cleansed the show in one episode =P
That occurred to me while I was watching as well. Seems the only reason Kate survived being shot is because she’s white.
Well we still have Whorehay Garcia, but I guess he don’t count, because he was born in east LA. Or at least his daddy was anyways…..
If we cause enough of a commotion, they might bring Rose back
The show is just terrible. Let me list the ways. Sayid just wants to be a good guy? Jin and Sun find each other to only have that terribly recycled death. Please get new material. Hurley blubbering like a whale. Kate only getting a flesh wound instead of a head shot. I just hope Harold Perrineau rips Damon and Carlton for wiping out the non-white characters. I need a good laugh.
Why was Hurley crying so hard? Was Jin and Sun holding a bunch of kim chi and dumplings that got wasted?
Nope he was the only one who remembered that their daughter is still alive..
“Kate only getting a flesh wound instead of a head shot.”
-Seriously! At least get a teet shot like Rouseau
Kate is the only one “not on the list” and she escapes. Total crap!
Ricardo, where has the sad little clown Ricardo scampered off to? He is immortal you know. Jacob hit him over thge head with a pornographic pizza and now he can fly. Fly fly Little Ricardo, fly fly..
For the last episode I am going to rent a tuxedo and wear it while I watch and eat popcorn. Then when the show is finally over I am going to cut off one of my toes.
baboon assmeat indeed.
Yeah, Infected seems to like warching it for some odd reason. Then again he is an odd sort…..
so right now, the past stories of sayid, jin and sun are no longer relevant. Great!
just think boone and shannon, but more drawn-out
Sawyer mentioned Kate’s name was crossed out. So is she totally useless? Rhetorical, I already know the answer.
Consider those questions…
…answered.
(cue Bond music)
Everyone who utters the phrase “lost suck” you should be uttering “I don’t get it” , that’s right you just don’t get it. Lost has complex well thought out plot lines that not everyone can understand. Instead of being so angry that it’s above your understanding just go watch greys anatomy. Jin and sun were excellent charectors with a rich past full of pain and love, it wad nothing but sad. You people are lame try reading a book ounce in a while and not John Grisham a real writer try vonnigut.
So why don’t you explain it to us then…
For someone who reads so much, I would think your spelling would be better.
Did you really compare (the incomparable) Kurt Vonnegut (nice spelling by the way, genius) to this network TV horse shit? If you were standing in front of me I would smack the taste out of your mouth.
I thought Slaughterhouse Four was way better than Slaughterhouse Five. What do you think?
I also enjoyed Dog’s Cradle much better than Cat’s Cradle. Welcome To the Reptile House is also superior to Welcome To the Monkey House.
Slaughterhouse Five; Partick Thistle Nil.
Should I read an ounce of a book? How many pages does that equate to?
Spelling Vonnegut’s name wrong is an unforgivable sin. You have all the credibility of a dog turd.
I would be willing to bet a dollar to a dog turd he smells like one too…..
Ah yes, another writer for Lost has infiltrated this site…
Oh wait a minute! Damon? Is that you??
It’s got to be him. The writing style wreaks of inconsistency.
Kid, will you get out of here
Vonnegut taught me a valuable lesson in life: semicolons are grammatical hermaphrodites. Fuck them!
There’s really no reason for semicolons to exist; I could have just used a period and made two sentences.
Obviously you must be a Python programmer…
LOL I’m actually programming in Python right now. Semicolons are for fags. Seriously, in C, the semicolon has three different purposes:
-Char literal (technically an ascii integer represenation)
-a separator
-an operator
This show will go down ad the best in history you people are so tiny minded. Wow so sad you have nothing to do but watch episodes and then put everthing down like pussys
Go eat a dick.
Again, it’s not hard to proof-read two sentences.
Damn it. I agree with Lostisbest, but why does every LOST defender on this board have to come off as completely retarded and illiterate?
Just so you douchebags know, there are SOME smart LOST fans out there capable of stringing together a couple of coherent sentences.
We are aware Patrick. Lost fans are always welcome here if they would like to try and make a valid point in defense of the show.
You should see some of the posts over at darkufo. Their theories and ideas about the show are fucking absurd.
I do really believe LOST to be the best show ever. And trying to point out the show’s good points to people who hate the show is an exercise in futility.
Its like trying to convince Michael Vick that dog fighting is wrong. It just aint gonna happen…
lame, as usual.
I can’t imagine how you would defend your statement that Lost is “…the best show ever.” That would be a REALLY interesting discussion to say the least.
Tell me Patrick, have you seen every episode of every TV show ever made from every country where TV shows are made? Through the entire history of TV?
If not then your believing “LOST to be the best show ever” is literally and truly insane or absolutely stupid. It means you have a religious faith that makes you “believe LOST to be the best show ever” or you don’t comprehend basic logic.
I agree with you on one point there Patty T. It would be futile to try and change our minds about this show. Just for the simple fact that there are so few good points about the show. Oh yes, say “hey” to Infected for me would ya. Thanks a bunch…..
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Well said Nico, smash Patrick on da head!!! hahahahahahha
Too bad you are few and far in between.
FTR, I am a LOST fan, too, but for different reasons. The show is poorly-written, but the central IDEA behind it is legitimately intriguing – it is, for me, just a case of a good idea being poorly executed.
I agree with what you are saying here. The show was very intriguing. It is also very sad the path they decided to go down…..
It’s like your straight A student of a son getting addicted to heroin. He had so much potential
You are so right!!! A guy thinks he is doing a great job raising his kid. Tenth grade, making straight A’s summer comes. That new family in the neighborhood seems real nice. Thing is the kid is a junkey. He befriends your son mext thing ya know. Wait a goddamn minute here. This could be a series!!! Ooops, I hope fucking Curse steals my idea here so I can sue the shit out of him. Yep you seen it here first folks. So stay with me here on this one and if a show or movie comes up like this we could make a little spending cash…..
I’d absolutely watch that show, as long as you don’t drag it out for 6 seasons
Sorry dude you wouldn’t get out of it that easy. If something like that could ever happen. Knowing that it couldn’t. But if by some slim snowballs chance in hell, it did. Dude you (asadshame) would be the first person I would seek out to help…..
If you have an opinion you’d like to share, and you also have a good argument, we’re always happy to listen. We used to debate quite a lot on here. We all just feel like there’s nothing to work with anymore. I used to think Lost was a great show, but season 6 has been pretty poor.
We’re just tired of people coming on here to tell us that Lost is fantastic without explaining why.
I seriously doubt that there are any coherent LO$T fans!!! If they were coherent, they wouldn’t be LO$T fans…..
Mash was better. So was the love boat for that matter.
Deplane! deplane!
Oh wait, wrong show.
Still better than Lost.
I must admit that I really enjoyed the scene from a few episodes ago were Hurley was eating a bucket of friend chicken. He was eating it with such focus.
Paul.
Man, I lost a whole week… That must have been a bender of epic proportions.
I can’t say nothing happened this week. Three major characters biting the big one (no matter how undignified the manner in which they were dispatched) certainly constitutes SOMETHING I suppose. I guess the fact that Sayid, Sun and Jin had all had their stories told so long ago made it all seem a bit underwhelming. Watching Jeff Fahey (the poor man’s Jeff Daniels, who is the poor man’s Jeff Bridges) get blasted in the face by a pressure door was kind of cool though.
Other than that, I was REALLY annoyed by Jack pointing out one of the arbitrary rules the writers have set up (only to ignore when it suits them): “Locke can’t kill us, we can only kill ourselves”. Blech.
I also don’t understand why Smoked Locke would ever bother to wield a gun, instead of just going all smoky and splattering everybody against a tree. I guess they have a limitation on the CG budget these days.
It’s also pretty hard to believe that Hurley, an injured Kate, Jack and an unconscious Sawyer could have made it out of that sub; even at a relatively shallow depth.
I did ALMOST like the scenes between Jack and Locke in the b-universe. It was some pretty decent acting compared to the rest of the show.
BOOM!
Kill some motherfuckers.
I actually LIKED the last scene in the alta-verse with Locke and Jack. It was actually well-acted and fairly well-written for what it was. The rest sucked.
I concur.
I actually didn’t like the last scene, but some of the other scenes I liked. Mostly the Lock scenes.
Very true. “Locke can’t kill us, we can only kill ourselves” now in contradiction to indestructable Dynamite-Jack’s Black Rock show only 5 eps (!!!) ago.
he can hang out with “i was trying to kill myself” charlie and “i was trying to hide my stash” charlie.
do the writers even talk to one another?
As long as their doctors allow it, once a day, no longer than 10 minutes! The treatment must not be disturbed.
I was thinking the same exact thing while watching that scene play out. In my mind that bomb should never have exploded. Something should have happened right as the watch hit zero. Just like the fuse at the Blackrock going out, so should the watch have malfunctioned…..
I was expecting the same thing. I wonder if the bomb exploded because sayid ran off with it. but who cares
it’s the timeless tail of good versus evil set in a satire of an mystic island much like the tempest it’s about the flaws of human beings and their attempts to be good. Mix in some theological themes and you have the best work of television fiction ever created. But I’m just a masters of literature so what do I know, oh more then you that’s right.
Sure, “I’m just a masters of literature”… I’m pretty sure that aptitude in basic grammar is required for that degree. Who you crappin’?
As opposed to the timeless head or timeless foot or timeless arm?
Was that even a serious remark
You’re the scholar – are you asking me, or are you telling me?
Ha
Tale, sweety…
Ya, and this guy is a master of literacy? He is only fooling himself…..
Woah dude that was way to deep for this ass clown to figure out…..
“it’s about the flaws of human beings and their attempts to be good”
Seeing the writers’ pathetic struggles concerning storytelling, I can do nothing but agree!
you must be one of the lost writter, surely.
but hey, you are the masters, i’m just a doctors
do schools just hand out degrees these days? is any studying required?
What do you need to do to get into literature school? Open the door?
gubmint done takin my BAABBBYYYY
Crack cocaine is a hell of a drug, it seems.
If your a master in literature then you of all people should and would be on this side of the fence. The people that come on this site telling us that they are all educated up the bung hole are plenty. If you are what you claim to be, you would appreciate a well written story. This is not a well written story. This is a convoluted, contrived piece of shit, to say the least!!! Or is it that you went to the J.J. Abrams school of fine writing. Because if you got your degree somewhere else, your daddy must have bought it for you…..
“it’s the timeless tail of good versus evil”
-When executed well (ie. the bible) it can change the course of history (ie. the Holy Roman Empire). When poorly executed (ie. Lost) it can lead to a disaster (ie. Darlton’s heads on stakes)
Typing on a iPhone dbags your pathetic and you can never get it ever hahahahahaha
I’m embarrassed for you.
my pathetic and i what?
If your so intelligent, I employ you to enlighten us idiots as to what the fuck we are lacking in the understanding of this show. Are we even watching the same show? It sure seems funny to me that you think that you can understand something that we can’t, when we are warching the same show. Well lets see if you can understand this!!! Your at “WHY LOST SUCKS” not some fanboy site. What in the hell did you expect to find here? What ever it was, you obviously didn’t find what you thought you would. So you need to tear your ass to dark UFO or one of them other fanboy sites and cry to them about how you were so mistreated here and then you will get the sympathy that you so desire…..
Smokie, I love you, but it’s “implore,” not “employ.”
“Your” is possessive. “You’re” is “you are.” Come on now.
How can one person make so many spelling mistakes?
That would explain the Master in Literature comment. I am am Master in Genetics, Evolutionary Biology and Economics and you’d have to be a Master in Religious Claptrap Masquerading as Intelligent Writing to really enjoy this show. You don’t need to tell us your credentials to establish the validity of your point. Intelligent people often say the most ridiculous of things, and morons can accumulate a closet full of degrees without learning anything useful. Just because a show is based around certain themes that have been the source of great writing in the past, doesn’t in fact make this great. If anything, it illustrates by comparison, how shoddy and poorly executed this show really is. Badly written, badly acted, badly directed…poor CGI…the list goes on. This is where a captive audience of silly apes gets you. Sadly, we are NOT an intelligent species.
No, I will never get an iPhone.
If you don’t like it, stop watching oh.
If you don’t like this site, then go away.
Nico, you have to say “than go away,” or else he won’t understand you.
hahahahaaa!!
Life cycle of trolls:
1) They come (Infected)
2) They annoy (Infected)
3) They settle in (Infected)
4) Other trolls come (Lostisbest)
It’s called “shock and awe”…A military solution to the LOST hatred…
Why are you still here, “LOSTISBEST”? Working on your literary phD (Piled High And Deep).
I’m a newbie here ( be gentle). Thanks for the entertaining threads. My son and I were big fans of the show, but we could see early in Season 6 that all the sideways universe and sudden introduction of useless new characters like Dogen and Lennon was going to drag things out and we’ll never get the answers we’ve been looking for since day 1.
LOVE reading all the comments. Certainly gives me a healthly perspective on the show, and I’m glad I’m not the only who feels the way I do after watching each show.
For LOSTISBEST and the other fanboyz, there are LOTS of other blogs that will cater to your OBVIOUS intellectual superiority. why are you wasting our time?
Get LOST!!
OK, I am ripping you a new one dude. Now stick it around your arm and inject this shit Dharma sent over. Or else you will become infected. We got one of them already and thats plenty enough. Oh yeah, you also can’t leave the hatch without your toxic suit on. The smell of fanbois is highly toxic and just plain stinks. One more thing before you can offically become a member of this site. You must answer this question. What lies in the shadow of the statue? Oh, wait a minute, the Blackrock took the statue out. So no statue, no shadow. OK, sorry, thanks for stopping by. See you again soon…..
Let’s see what we had tonight…
more pointless side story with Jack (eew), Claire, and Bernard acting all mystical. The camera pointed right at Locke’s dad looking like a vegetable while the suspenseful music played did make me laugh though.
more of the usual “no time for an explanation” between jack and and flocke.
Kate has to be the dumbest bitch around. Jack gets them out of the cage and she’s just standing there looking at him when the door is opened.
I don’t know why they just gave Jin random pointless lines here and there.
The shootout on the dock showed how they are all great marksmen, especially claire picking people off.
Kate getting shot was great. Her weird grunts made me feel dirty. I thought flocke would melt or something if he got wet but nah, it was just to get him wet while they ran in the sub.
But the sub scene had to be the worst of all. There is a bomb so here’s what most people would do:
A) move away from where the bomb is
B) move the bomb away from where the people are
C) try to get the bomb off the sub
I’m sure there is some kind of hatch on the sub where they could have sent it out.
Not to mention Jack and Sawyer decide to have a bitchfest instead of finding a way to get rid of the bomb. Jack saying Locke wasn’t “allowed” to kill them made me laugh out in frustration.
I’m not even gonna get into how each person died because it was too stupid for words.
btw I guess being close to death made jin and sun lose their accents.
“The camera pointed right at Locke’s dad looking like a vegetable while the suspenseful music played did make me laugh though.”
Once again, I couldn’t remember who that guy was. I knew I had seen him before, and I was trying to place the face, but then Peggy Bundy just came out and said “that’s John’s father.” At least the writers realized that they had to mention this since they’ve wasted 2-3 years on pointless tangents since the last time we saw him.
“I’m sure there is some kind of hatch on the sub where they could have sent it out.”
In his sleep, Tom Clancy could come up with about 15 different ways to deal with this bomb so that it wouldn’t turn into a complete disaster. Having Sayid run away and blow himself up was just lame.
Torpedo tube would have worked just fine, U-571 anyone?
that’s exactly what i thought…where did their accents go? and why were they speaking to each other in english for almost the whole time, and not in their own native language?
The korean interpreters left the set 2 years ago heads down in shame!
Thought the same. My native language is not English and I would SURELY speak in my mother tongue in a life-and-death situatuon. What the neck is wrong with these writers?!!!
I don’t think the writers care about plot holes anymore. Sort of like when you have presentations in the morning, but need a whole week to come up with a plan, so you just BS your way through it and pray that no one raises any questions that can not be answered without using double speak.
Not to mention, they went from the plane to the sub so fast it made my head spin… Compared to the never ending treks of the first seasons.
3 bricks of C4 would send that sub and all the people in it join the whisperers and the virgins… But it blowed like a bad chinese firework
In a nutshell, all the on-the-island plot was lamer than ever… I can’t think of one decent believable moment
“I’m putting you in a cage for your own good”
“Finally we’re not taking the plane… they could be more bombs” – No comment
“I’m putting you on a sub for your own good and you will be blown away”
I’m no bomb expert, but that much C4, in such a confined space would kill everyone inside. Not to mention it would probably consume all the oxygen on board.
Nah don’t want to. It’s funny a bunch of creatons getting togeather to dis a show they don’t get. Simple minds patting each other on the back for just not being able to understand, it’s like a car accident in here I can’t stop watching and laughing. WOW!!! If I don’t like something I turn the channel, try it it’s easy. Ha what sad lives you live I’m out I’ll let you get back to your genius bashing. But hey hurry I think there’s a new episode of the hills on I’m sur that’s more your speed.
Is this a level? These posts are so poorly written that it has to be intentional. Someone must be fucking around here.
Atleast we have clearly identified Demon’s identity he uses while examining our posts
I will seriously give you my e-mail address so you can explain the show to me. Just let me know if you’re willing. Using the word “genius” to describe any network TV show is also a bit of a stretch. Would you really put the writers of Lost on the same level as Kurt Vonnegut?
Uh, suh, just whut is a “creaton?”
Do you put it on salad?
HA!!! Who is laughing at whom here. You are the dumbass that can’t even design a coherent statement. Your lucky that were not as intelligent as you. Or else we wouldn’t be able to understand a fucking thing you post…..
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hahahahahaha
The reason we keep watching Lost is because it’s an embarassing equivalent of a car accident.
You know the creators admitted that they won’t wrap things up in the end. But you’ll probably love that because mysteries for mystery’s sake with no possible solutions are better than well-thought-out answers.
The word you’re looking to describe yourself is “cretin”, by the way.
Come to the J.J. Abrams school of fine writing. Where we teach you how to make mysteries, convolute stories, make half assed actors lose all acting abilities. We here at the school don’t believe in the old style of writing. We take pride in our complete incompetence in story telling capabilities. We also teach you how to stall a plot, bring in many useless characters, have them do absolutely nothing for the storyling and then kill them off. If this doesn’t get you excited, well this will. We teach you how to bring up serious questions and then either answer them very stupidly, or not at all!!! So enroll now!!! Don’t miss this great, one chance, opportunity of a lifetime!!! Right here at the J.J. Abrams school of fine writing. We will see you therrrrrrrrrrrreeeee…..
Spelling mistake in the last sentence. Missed it by that much
I liked Sayid’s character a lot. Now he’s dead and I don’t care.
There was a point in time where I liked several characters on the show. Now I just want the smoke monster to kill everyone.
YES!!! I too like this idea very much…..
i KNOW!
Dude I want flock/smokie/MIB to turn back into that Deadwood character and start murdering everyone.
Sounds good to me, but just make sure Jackass and Kate are first on his list…..
I want him to grab Jack by his feet and pound him against the ground repeatedly.
Oh yeah, the only thing wrong with your post is, that it needs to turn around and do the same thing to Kate too…..
No, Kate needs to be tossed cartwheel style into the ocean.
I want that extended Jack smash scene where you hear Jack just going “Ooh. OW. EEE. Oh. AAAh. EEE. Omph. AH. *gurgling noise*, *silence*”
Also, the smoke monster can’t kill Jacob/candidates, but I’m sure he can try. So if I was imprisoned on the island, I’d spend my days beating the crap out of Jacob/Jack. It’s like that old Greek story of the vulture eating out that guys intestines, and then he would heal the next day (Prometheus).
Everyone knew the plane wasn’t going to go anywhere and it took a lame explanation of it to get them to go on the sub.
Seeing that the plane was all fucked up in the first place. I laughed like hell when old came off a Burt Reynolds movie set, Frankie boy said something to the effect of. “Let’s see if we can get this bird in the air.” As if it was sitting on the tarmak at O’hare or DFW just waiting to take off…..
chest hair poking through and squinting all the way no less.
I actually liked the explanation, probably b/c Terry O’Quinn is one of the remaining good characters. The problem is that the whole premise of leaving on a crashed airplane was total BS. Why didn’t Lepidus just leave on the plain when they first crashed?
Hey, I liked the Gilligans Island Bamboo steps they had made to get into the airplane.
Ya that was so funny.
Mercenary 1: “Hey guys, instead of using a rope, lets fashion some steps entirely out of bamboo”
Flamboyantly Gay Mercenary: “Oooh the Poterry Barn has this just darling staircase”
“Why didn’t Lepidus just leave on the plain when they first crashed?”
Even this small question has already enough destructive potential to blast this “alltime masterpiece” LOST into pieces.
really, ben linus, evil incarnate for what 3 seasons on this show has been regulated to a total afterthought.
the ultimate con man gets totally played like a fucking polish tourist playing 3 card monte in time square.
great writing!
there are no characters anymore, just plot devices!
relegated, not regulated.
you’re not smokie in disguise, are you?
Wasn’t me Matt. Does sound like something I would say though…..
These guys pushed everything to the last minute like an undergraduate student partying all semester. I bet Darlton wish they could have done everything in this episode in the past 13 episodes instead.
I think this is the best and most plausible explanation for the disaster that Lost became in the last few seasons.
You’d think at some point the writers would realize that they were pushing too much until the last episode
Wow, way to do the most obvious thing and have the “eye-raki” do the suicide bomb thing.
Thats some funny shit there I tell you what…..
He stole my joke.
It was funny when you said it too…..
The ultimate proof for the writers’ inability to handle character concerned writing was given to us:
Less than one week ago, having finally realized he was aiming for something beyond his reach, Locke had stopped his long-time efforts to be walking again or to give himself desperately atleast the impression of not being handicapped, of being able to keep up with everything not disabled people can do, indicating the strongest will to leave his wheelchair “Don’t tell me…”,
And now suddenly it is his declared wish to stay in this wheelchair forever as his way of punishing himself for vegetabling his father and it obviously has been for the last 3 years.
Total, breathtaking and (what’s left besides) intended (?) failure of depicting a coherently motivated character, especially with their character flag ship named Locke!! There’s no excuse left for not finally declaring this show wrecked!!!
Please show me where I’m wrong, Demon , ehm, I mean ‘Lostisbest’! It’s your chance!
Why did they have to complicate things by saying that Locke got crippled in a plane crash? That’s the fourth plane crash (Oceanic, Ajira, Eko’s bro)
They must be setting up some plot “twist” involving SMOCKE somehow knowing how to fly a plane based on alt-Locke’s knowledge of aviation…
Jeez, they’re clever.
I must say I threw in a few wonderful meta references this episode, don’t you think? SInce I believe you are all hopelessly unconscious consumers, I will take this time to clue you in, once again, on just how these “jokes” work. By the way, if anyone is still under the belief that we are “the fools” for having crafted such mindless bullshit- have you considered what manipulative genius is required to cause you to now watch it? This is clearly just US, fucking with your sense of basic human desperation, false hope and/or ambivalent despair. Some of you deal with this despair through attempted ridicule at the show (we like) or with a sense of embittered humor but, we as you know, that makes no difference to us. We already won, you see. It doesn’t matter if bombs, or bullets, or tree hurdling occurs, You watch. Are you beginning to see our point yet or are you still in denial?
Can you imagine if we began the show with such atrocious scripts? Oh, nevermind, we sort of did! Going into the show, we had already done enough market analysis to gauge from previously successful programs such as Gilligan’s island, Survivor, x-files, Twin Peaks, etc., what would be necessary to capture an initially strong base audience. Besides, no other show on TV was currently exploiting those exact motifs, although they were still fresh in most of your rat minds. Isn’t that fantastic.
Actually writing this show was an afterthought, in comparison to the time NBC spent polling and surveying what you idiots watched for years before. We had built enough cred making smut sell before they let us write out the specific details of the crime. We actually did take sort of a “literary” approach this time. We knew by studying your trends that by season 5 we wouldn’t gain many more to “the island”, and were in fact prepared to kill off a few, if not perhaps the most well invested of you in order to finish quick and get out- so sorry, the Sayid’s, the Jin’s, the Sun’s. But as we have the power to decide over their pointless lives, we also have that power over yours, you see.
Any of you rats spot the line, “I feel like we’re running in circles…back in the cages”, spoken by Sawyer?
Great line, huh?
But you’ll be back for more, won’t you, you ignorant bottom-feeders. I am the black smoke, you fools.
And from here, you may ask, where am I going?
To finish what I started, of course. A contract, a marketable Gordian knot, and a meta-monstrous egomaniacal literary cum dump all over each one of your cold, inactive foreheads. At least before our sadistic joy spilled causing your head to be made so filthy, never forget how nice it felt for being “one of the smart” little girl, who knew how to deep throat like a real, sophisticated lady.
Your facefucker,
Damon Lindelof
A strangely compelling post. It’s like The New Yorker meets Penthouse Forum. I dunno’…
At least we’re self aware here. Try saying all that on thefuselage, and most people there would actually disagree with you.
Brilliant.
Indeed!!!
a-hem, a-hem…(catching breath)
wait…
first off, don’t forget about quantum leap too.
Also, like the black smoke tempts people with promises of what they might want, r u sayin’ its like a metaphor for tempting us (the audience at large) to keep watching in exchange for the promise of answers, old comforts or cheap thrills? oh, oh god.
ok, sorry, just still felt the need to contribute in some more meaningful way.
anyhow.
slurp, gag, arrggg, ulll, sloosh, pop, huuurrlll
maybe some fool should start a site all about figuring out all those evil kinda hidden metaphors or whatever. Damon, that post was so messed up! do you really think this is what the writers were thinking?
that’s pretty fucked up if it is yo.
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That was brilliantly written on so many levels. You should write for … uh… hum… wait you’re not Damon; that was too well written!
Other than a couple of misspellings, (like I don’t have any of those) This was a great well thought out post. Just to bad your not writing for LO$T. When I first started reading it I thought it might be Infected. As I read on though I felt it was way more than what Infected is capable of.(no offense) So whomever you may be I commend you for a well thought out post…..
Dude,
the thing that I don’t understand is that if you feel like you won, then why do you care what we think? Why you have to writte that on this site? Why you don’t writte in a fan site like Dark SUCK UFO? It hurts you what people think about you or your little show?
The only reason there is for you to care is that you feel that you LOST.
And by the way I download every episode, you are not getting any money from me from your abc ads, or your DVD selling, good luck selling that crap!!!
The only reason I watch this shit is to see how much more you can fuck it up!!!
oh look. rambo, the guy with the doctorate, is back.
Scifi guy above,
We wish to share our condolences with you in regards to your great loss. While there is no known treatment per se, for cerebral liquefaction, we wish you the best in what we can only assume, must be difficult times.
Sincerely,
Humans
Torrent: god’s way of telling NBC “suck yourself!”
Jin chose to die with his wife….very touching. Except now they have a child with no living parent. Who will grow up thinking the both of them walked out on her. A very touching moment.
And a selfish one
Atleast the next daddy/mommy-issues are being prepared for the future sequel “LOST – The even stupider generation”.
The final reveal will be that this whole show, has just been an elaborate story made up by sun’s mother as an excuse to why her parents are dead.
You know Darlton wrote the entire episode, realized that the Sun/Jin ending had the massive plot hole of orphaning their only child, and went back and wrote the dialog of Sun explaining to Jin that their kid was with her mother
that did seem forced, didn’t it? they didn’t even have to mention that, as i’m sure most of us forgot they even had a kid.
True, it’s been so long, no one cares about the kid anymore
Problem is — unlike with Charlie — everybody knows they’re still alive in the alt-world. This is why I don’t understand all the agita and bitches crying over that scene. We don’t know, yet, whether the alt-timeline is going to be the one to survive, but you have to admit the possibility of that happening gives any of the recent “island” deaths much less of an impact.
The Sun & Jin story:
Sun speaks English but Jin doesn’t know.
Sun is pregnant but Jin doesn’t know.
Jin finds out.
Sun plants a vegetable garden.
Five years later they die.
*sniff*
It’s just so poignant. Or pointless. I’m sure it’s one or the other.
or the fact that after all this time they forget their native language and speak to each other in English for us English speaking audiences; ever been around an ethnic couple, they speak their own language, not the adopted one. I really want to love this show but it keeps violating my ass like a punk in an American prison system. As an American, i have to wonder how anyone is ever proud anymore declaring they are. fuck. but i do have to say lost is better than a lot of the shit on network T.V; and as much as i like fringe so far i can only expect the same bullshit treatment in the future. So as an audience i am left to wonder what is the point of even trying to give a fuck about the bullshit they feed us. Are we suppose to gradually believe hope is pointless? i suppose that is what the political system is trying to teach us.
imagine you and someone else move to another country and learn the language. you would still feel most comfortable speaking to each other in your first language!! i have italian parents, and even though they could understand me in english, speaking to them in english would feel ridiculous.
“ethnic” is such a ridiculous adjective.
Which ethnic groups are “ethnic” and which ones ain’t?
ethnic ethnic groups are victims of racism, and non-ethnic ethnic groups are victims of reverse racism. remember?
Racism: Making assumptions about a person based on generalizations about that person’s race. / (Black Man): Hey, I just moved across the street from you! / (Racism): “There goes the neighborhood.”
Reverse racism: Making assumptions about a person’s race based on generalizations about that person. / (Black Man): Hey, I just moved across the street from you! / (Reverse racism): “All black people just moved across the street from me.”
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that is funny. i’m glad people still make fun of such a stupid term.
Anybody get a *guncock* count?
I didn’t but I am pretty sure its a new record. Every time somebody turned around it slapped you right in the face. I think thats how its going to be here in Arizona as soon as the new gun laws take effect…..
Any body notice how the losties acquired brand spankin new shotguns? Really taking cockin to a new level.
Why were all the asians and middle easterners killed off in this episode? Pretty messed up if you ask me. My wife is Taiwanese and she thought that fat Mexican bastard Hurley should have taken a bullet if all the other non-whiteys were going to be killed off. Just to be consistent.
yet kate took a bullet and STILL LIVES!!!
Because Hurleey is a US cittttizen, while the Kwons and Sayid weeeeren’t.
SOrry, the compuuuter is dicking around.
When Darlton fuck up, they fuck up bad. Not only did they kill off the immigrants, the Arab played the role of the suicide bomber.
Hurley’s next.
I predicted Sayid would go first.
Maybe not on this site, but somewhere.
I’m sure the two lamest characters, Kate and Jack will survive the end of the show.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please God I never ask for anything. I beg of you oh holy one, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not let this last statement be true!!! For all that is humane and just!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But you know that’s what’s gonna happen. Since season 4, the lamest possible train of events occurred, and the worst fan theories were adopted by the writers.
NEVER ASK ME THAT AGAIN!
Thanks guys you really know how to raise a guys spirits…..
Well let me say this right off the bat here. This is not, and never has been the best show on TV. This is not just my oplnion, but I am sure countless others will agree with me on this fact. Now for my opinion on this matter. Gunsmoke in my mind was “THE” best show television has ever offered up. Also as far as sci-fi goes, this shit don’t even make a pimple on the original STAR TREK’s ass!!! OK with that said let’s move on to the issues at hand. I wasn’t ever really pissed off at this show, untill these “dickheads” done the most vile thing they ever could have done to this show. I really thought it sucked bad, but I wasn’t completely pissed off either. Now when they changed the sound the smoke monster makes before entering the scene, now that really pisses me off to no end!!! They fucked up something fierce when they did this!!! That was the one thing I have liked best about this whole fucking piece of shit crapfest of a stupid idiotic show. Like everything else about this show though, they could not help themselves but to fuck that up too. The sound he made before, in my opinion, was compelling as much as it was mysterious and interesting. Now it sounds like a bunch of tin cans being slapped together. If it aint broke don’t go trying to fix it. That has been the whole problem with this show. They seem to think they have to fix things by either shooting it, bombing it, or just plain never referencing it again. As an example I will use the Ben and Sayid episodes. Where Ben had Sayid kill all those people. Also the pregnancy issue. Just to name a couple in a long list of them. The only thing that has been consistent are all the inconsistencies. Always trying to fix things when you have no idea how to do it, usually fucks it up worse then it was already. Goddammit, when all else fails read the fucking instructions. I personally feel that this site in particular would have been a great instruction manual for the show. then again I am kind of partial to this site. I just cant see how killing off half of the major cast after five and a half seasons makes this a good show. So by saying that we just don’t understand this most intelligent show is down right absurd. Just what in the fuck is so gaddamned hard to understand. OK, there are hard to understand things about this show. Like, just how in the hell could they take such a great concept for a show, with limitless possibilities, and turn it into the biggest joke of the century. As for this being the best thing television has put out, well you haven’t watched much TV, or else your one of the brainwashed…..
I agree completly with you mate!!! How much more you can fuck up this show? I am scare to watch what End the producers have plan for the show.
water and schizophrernia=this show rocks
Ha!!! The only thing that rocks about this show are thr ones we should be throwing at you…..
DAS BOAT!!!
Funniest episode ever.
Loved the incessant drama-track, mood music. Wow. Lost fans actually need an audible clue to tell them what emotion they should feel with each scene.
As so many have mentioned it was satisfying to see that many characters killed in one episode. It was touching though, the way Jin repeatedly held his breath and went down on Sun before they both died.
To the Lost fans who think the show is so “smart”, you f*cking morons, did you notice what the label was on the emergency breathing devices that were in the submarine? Anyone? Lostibeast? The label on each device read ‘OXYGEN’. Are any of the Lost fans able to tell me why that is completely idiotic? Please, Lost fans only.
I think the funniest part this week was the sneaky pilot episode for the new ABC drama “Dr. Jack Shephard: Professional Nag.” He’s a famous surgeon who cares too much. Every week, he stalks people he randomly encounters and then keeps badgering them until they agree to submit to an unwanted surgical procedure because Jack is certain that it will change their life. He’s not above cocking a gun next to someone’s head if that’s what it takes to seal the deal, and every episode ends with a slo-mo walk into the parking lot where Jack and his new best friend share smiles and warm embraces as emotional music plays us to the credits.
every surgeon i’ve ever met seems to have nothing but spare time on his hands.
Seriously though I was wondering if the hospital was giving bonuses to doctors who perform the new operation and Jack was hustling for it.
The ‘oxygen’ thing is funny! every scuba diver would know they only use compressed air. No one use pure oxygen other than the SEAL team with closed circuit scuba gear.
As pure oxygen is near toxic, specially under intense pressure, and in adition somewhat hallucinatory. Something you better stay away from when you need a clear head evacuating a sinking sub!
But now we can imagine the composition of the atmosphere in the writers’ lounge.
“How can we randomly drag this show on?… just let me inhale deeply…. HELL, I know, SAYID’S GOOD AGAIN!!!”
It’s as if the music department is the praetorian guard and they have grown drunk with power.
Well the strings anyways…..
I think this is the first show where the background music is always there. It’s close to 90% when it should only be 10%
Good point!!! The music was ok when the show first came out. Because it seemed like it wasn’t that much and more in the right spots. I could be wrong, and I have no way of going back and checking it out. Even if I did I wouldn’t. If I were to have it on DVD I would burn it. So it doesn’t really matter right now. Thought I would throw that in there for entertainment purposes. It seems like anymore though, that the fucking music is blaring all the time and whats worse is, it will be all suspenseful when there isn’t anything going on…..
It’s like comedy shows which end up using that live-audience-laugh to the point where the show is unbearable (mind you, the opposite, shows which don’t use the live-audience-laugh being bearable, has been disproven by the existence of Scrubs)
Every aspect of the sub scene was idiotic. Don’t know about the oxygen, but…
The only people on the sub are the captain/pilot and some guy reading a book.
They conveniently find the bomb, after being on the sub for a minute. Good planning, MIB!
No time to surface! That would take 5 minutes! Must be pretty deep and far removed from the Island by now.
Sayid runs through the sub, doesn’t bother closing any doors behind him.
Hurley grabs Kate and with his incredible knowledge of the sub layout escapes! Then he is able to surface faster than the sub and swim back to the Island. All with a grunting Kate over his shoulder…incredible! What’s even more fantastic is Jack, after helping Jin try to free Sun, grabs an unconscious Sawyer, finds his way out, surfaces, and swims to shore….in complete darkness!
Amazingly stupid.
That is bad. And both couples not only end up on the same beach but in the same spot on the same beach after swimming there in complete darkness.
Wasn’t there bright sunlight when they boarded the sub yet fifteen minutes later, when they crawl ashore, it’s the dark of night suddenly?
may be because of time shift when leaving and entering the island in incorrect bearing..XD
What got me was the communications setup. People just pick up the phones and get exactly who they want.
Totally agree!!! What ever happened to that Dharma shark? He’s never around when you need him…..
I’ve been following this show since season one and this episode was the worst one ever aired. Holy shit was it bad.
-Instead of trying to save either the woman who had a kid or her husband, Jack rescues the convict Sawyer.
-They draw out Sun and Jin being apart for two seasons and then kill them one episode later with a homage to Titanic.
-Sayid who has unexplainably turned evil all of a sudden decides to run off with the C4 and sacrifice himself. Ridiculous.
-That C4 was set to level a plane in mid air yet it doesn’t blast ten feet through an open door to kill the rest of the people on a sub (?)
-The alternate timelines are supposed to be a “what if the airplane actually landed” therefore it makes absolutely no sense that Locke got his injuries from a plane crash. The same “donated the kidney and got thrown out a building” would still apply. Jesus this writing is lazy.
They just keep making shit up as they go along, no wonder the writers are going into hiding after this season ends. They could get to S10 and nothing will be concluded.
WoW !!!! So, true mate!!! It is just ridiculous how much shit they made up!!! About the crash plane makes no sense is like Jacks son that came from nowhere, makes no sense!!! About Sayid, I think that supposly became good because of Desmod, but still it doesn’t make any sense is just BS!!! This show is the biggest dissappointing on television ever.
You and LostisBest didn’t have the same English teacher, did you?
Hey, c’mon now Matt. He’s one of us Lost haters. Don’t judge just because the kid can’t spell all that well.
“They draw out Sun and Jin being apart for two seasons and then kill them one episode later with a homage to Titanic.”
I knew something like this was coming the moment I saw that Elizabeth Sarnoff was one of the writers. Everything she touches turns into some lame-ass Lifetime Movie of the Week.
How can James “Sawyer” Ford be a cop in the alt-time, but Anthony “Sawyer” Cooper is no longer the con man that killed his parents?
What the fuck is wrong with these writers?
never even thought of that. but very true.
The plot hole widens.
I’m afraid the show is devolving into a David-Lynch-Mulholland-Dr type storyline in which everything spins out of control and becomes intentionally non-sensical by the end, like suddenly and inexplicably Artie Lange will be playing the role of Hurley for a few scenes, Kate and Claire will make out with Rose for ten minutes in Alt-verse, and Bud Bundy will show up Alt-Locke’s doorstep and introduce himself as Helen’s son from a previous marriage. All this cockery to hide the fact that the writer’s failed to find a reasonable way to wrap up this story.
A fat woman walked into the store today…
Dammit Pukster, I think you just pulled the cork off the bottle and let the Smoke Monster out. He is going to wreak havoc upon the whole world. And it’s all your fault!!! I just hope that your happy with yourself mister…..
-The alternate timelines are supposed to be a “what if the airplane actually landed” therefore it makes absolutely no sense that Locke got his injuries from a plane crash. The same “donated the kidney and got thrown out a building” would still apply. Jesus this writing is lazy.
You remind me that in the begining of S6, they suddenly time shifted back to 2007 after detonate the bomb. Why didnt the island time shift Sun back to 1977 instead?
Is it because the alt-universe actually split in 1977? If thats the case, I think it is possible to do a flash back and flash forward for the alt-universe if they extend it to 10 seasons. But of course, it doesnt help the story at all.
Holy shit ten seasons and more flashforwards, backwards, flashups and flashdowns. Flashallarounds? Quite the little sadist, aint we LostSucks…..
Not seen the episode yet.
Here’s a reasonable simulation of the finale and audience reaction:
youtube.com/watch?v=6kJdtu2Lt7Q&feature=related
It doesn’t show the part where the people riot in the streets.
You know, with these cocksuckers, I wouldn’t put something like that past them…..
if you think about it, about half way through season two everyone should have realized that the intent of the show wasn’t to explain anything, and that the entire appeal of it was to tease the audience with a sense of disbelief and make them fervently hope that shit will somehow work out or make sense.
20 points for you.
halfway through season two is when this fine site come to fruition. coincidence?
came
me too
I watched season one and some of season 2 in quick succession, to catch up. So the stretching out of the plot, didn’t occur to me as much, while the mystery for mystery’s sake did. It took me unitl season 3 to have doubts whether the show was actually going anywhere and I was certain it had become irredeemable early in season 4.
I think the show REALLY started to suck when they went off island
It took me unitl season 3 to have doubts whether the show was actually going anywhere and I was certain it had become irredeemable early in season 4.
Same for me…..
Great minds think alike,
fools seldom differ.
My dad used to say that. I haven’t heard it in years. If he were to be alive today he would be 102 years old. He had a shitload of sayings, but the one I remember the most was. “You talk like a man with a paper ass.” I never quite knew what it meant, but understood it just the same…..
Maybe a variation of Mao Tse Tungs “America is a paper tiger (with nuclear teeth)”.
You are right!
Because I had prior experience with JJ Abrams Alias, I only start watching Lost S1-S4 when S5 was on air. I watched them episode by episode, but since S2, I skipped some episodes by reading the wiki version. Its just annoying to keep getting retarded questions without answers.
Well actually I realized they weren’t going to answer shit and were just making it up as they went in season 1.
Good man
I think that when Jin and Sun were dying they should’ve busted off some Titanic one-liners:
You jump I jump, remember?
I’m the king of the world!
You complete me
Then they could’ve played the Titanic theme song. It would’ve made the scene far better if they just made fun of it.
So what was the Big Reveal this episode? That the MIB wants to kill the losties and shouldn’t have been trusted. Well, shoot, I never saw that one coming. They really turned everything on it’s head now, didn’t they?
When they came up with the plan to storm the sub, and they’re like “it’s going to be dangerous, we need everybody” all I could think is “no you don’t, just send in Smokie to kick some ass and clear out the enemy, then waltz onto the sub”. How could the writers expect the fans to forget that the most powerful, unstoppable weapon is Smokie and he’s supposedly on the Losties side? Also throw in that Smokie just destroyed the enemy to free the Losties from the bear cages and you’d really expect Jack to say “hey smokie, why don’t you just do what you did at the bear cages instead of us all running in there with guns?” I can laugh at Lost and give the writers a lot of leeway, but that idea that NO ONE thought of using the Smoke Monster just shows how much this show sucks.
Half of the people on this ship are going to die
Not the better half
Honestly, if you think about it, just the pure implications of the sentence “…NO ONE thought of using the Smoke Monster…” just shows how much this show sucks
What…the…fuck?
Why not get on the plane with all of them, let it blow up and then rematerialize in one of the Whitmore red-shirt’s bodies? Why go to the trouble of going to the sub?
Why the hell was the sonic fence moved? What genius put the generator OUTSIDE of the sonic fence? If that’s the case then why the hell didn’t he just go through and kill the whole Whitmore clan five or six episodes ago?
What’s up with keeping Lapidus in the dark about the whole bomb thing? “Take us up.”
“It’ll take five minutes.”
“Eh…okay.”
What the hell was all that crap about Smokie not being able to travel over water? He just took a dive and got back up with no problem. Is he out of shape in human form and just can’t swim long distances?
How exactly does one share an oxygen tank with an unconscious person?
I think they mentioned that Sayid sneaked in and disabled the generator. And Smokie supposedly can’t travel over water in his smoke form.
It’s all still ridiculously stupid.
how can sayid do this? The fence effects humans as well!
affects
thanks
And how can a generator be supplying power to the fenceposts when they show people just picking them up and moving them around wherever they want to?
Dude, you bring up some important points
-How the fuck does Sayid keep getting around these sonic fences? Does he cut down a tree every time?
-Why didn’t Lock let everyone get on the plane and blow them up?
-How do you give Oxygen to unconscious people? How do you give pure oxygen to people in general?
“-How the fuck does Sayid keep getting around these sonic fences? Does he cut down a tree every time?”
by the way: why didn’t smokey just easily cut down a tree in smoke form, turned into a person and then climbed on the tree over the fence’s pylon into dharmaville for some action himself many years ago instead of futilely flying against the fence again and again? Shouldn’t he know better since he now can scan peoples minds?
Oh wait! Back in season 3 smokey was still meant to be of only rudimentary intelligence driven by instinct as a security system. But of course the writers did plan it all in advance… to have no idea where they would be going with this show!
Ya what was with that security system explanation? So much cooler than…well we still don’t know what he is or why.
WOW, it just occurred to me, not only are they not answering questions, but they are robbing us of answers they once claimed to give us.
Cerberus. As stated on maps in episodes, hence canon.
Except when it isn’t.
Great post!!! The thing is that Smokie can’t take a different form anymore. Still, bullets or swords have no power to take him down, so why should the bomb? I agree, load everyone up on the plane and, WHAM!!! Everybodys dead, and it didn’t harm you one bit. Where is the thinking here? I really don’t understand how anybody with even half a brain can possibly defend this shit…..
The reason why is because the bomb won’t work. Smokie can’t kill the candidates (Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, Sayid, Jin/Sun, Locke). Locke died off-island and his form was stolen by Smokie. Jin/Sun and Sayid died but ONLY because Sawyer tampered w/ the bomb. As Jack (who will become the new Jacob) put it, smokie needs everyone to kill everyone else. However, this will leave us with one candidate who smokie can’t kill.
Anyway, Lost has given us a little, albeit retarded, information about the “rules.” But in the end it really doesn’t make sense.
Yes, and I knew that too. I wasn’t thinking about the fact they tampered with it. So thanks for the reminder. This fucken show I guess has me so confused that sometimes I am dumber than I actually am. I really didn’t think that was possible, but leave it to this show. The thing is though, is that if Matt is correct, or I should say lostpedia is correct. Richard and them wired the explosives on the plane. What they showed us was Locke going aboard the plane and finding the explosives all ready set up. So without really any evidence otherwise and if Richard and them did rig the plane. Smokie actually fucked up by not putting everyone on the plane including himself and letting Richard and them blow the plane up. It would have no affect on him, and take care of the business that he needed done. So in turn I agree that this shitfest makes absolutely no fucking sense what so ever…..
He couldn’t rematerialize as a different body because Ilana said he couldn’t.
It’s against the RULES!
Maybe submarine captains spend all of their time on the sub, even when docked. Really, why would they ever want to get out of the tiny tin can to have a look around?
Maybe submarines have no hatch-locking method to prevent theft. That’s why subs need to have armed guards on board at all times when docked.
Maybe Widmore’s shoreline security crew just wanted to see if all of Smoky’s crew would get into the sub. That’s why they let them all just waltz right past them, onto the dock, and into the boat before opening fire.
Maybe a surgeon’s best chance at uncovering the circumstances of a patient’s mysterious previous accident is to seek out the patient’s dentist. I would certainly consult with a tooth doctor before I’d consult with the spinal surgeon who had worked on the patient after said accident.
Maybe it is no surprise that a dentist would remember little details about a patient treated 3 years ago but not recognize them at an airport or as they are wheeled onto their plane.
Maybe everyone remembers their flight number for weeks after each flight. I usually can’t tell you the flight number of a flight I am on, but I’m and idiot who pays limited attention to detail.
Maybe the near drowning/buddy breathing swim escape with Hurley really did help Kate recover significantly from her gushing gunshot wound. Jack seemed desperate to treat her before they realized there was a bomb on board. Maybe the adrenaline shock of double near death really did Kate’s health more good than the first aid care they neglected to administer due to disaster.
Maybe Hurley really does know how to buddy breathe. I am sure he is expert enough at this skill to pull it off with a dying girl in his arms while swimming like mad in pitch black water.
Maybe it makes sense that Jack has had yet another philosophical change of heart. True, a few days ago, Jack was willing to let a fuse burn down all the way on a stick of dynamite because ‘the island wasn’t done with them yet.’ Then, on the sub, he decided that if they monkeyed with the C4 bomb, it might go off and kill them all. Perhaps there is an explanation for the change in philosophy. Maybe Jack had a vision that the island could indeed be through with them and kill their asses at any old time.
Maybe it makes sense that Claire’s hair is still as wildly unkempt as the fur on a buffalo’s balls. Sure everyone else on the island has the same decently styled hair they had when they landed way back in the day, and that’s because they’ve held onto, and not shared, their hair products even when someone else desperately needs the assistance (Sayid with the magic grease, I am talking about you).
Maybe the final four episodes of season 6 will really bring the whole Lost series together in a meaningful and mind-blowing way. Maybe.
Maybe it’s Maybelline.
The best post of this episode, so far. You hit every ridiculous plot point in a humorous and succinct manner. I salute you.
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Maybe I’ll win a lottery and actually go to Hawai than sit and watch this stupid show :-p.
Maybe you suck at other things, but in my mind you are a true genius when it comes to posting on this site. You my friend are a true insperation for me at least, and I commend your abillities of sarcasm and attention to detail. Great post dude…..
You get these gems from randos every once in a while. Maybe you’ll be back to recap next episode? Maybe???
Does anybody notice that the actors are actually laughing as they read their lines? This show is pathetic.
Also Naveen’s own accent at random. Cash the cheque, go to sleep, wake up dry eyed, repeat. LOST.
Is Ben still alive or did he die and I missed it?
Ben is with Miles and Richard going on a mission to blow up the plane. I had to look it up too.
What’d they take the LONG way? Probably shoulda taken that right at Albuquerque. Smokey and his bandits got to the plane in like 10 minutes, meanwhile Ben and Miles and Richard the Can’t Be Killed left like a week ago and still aren’t there.
I was wondering the same thing. The BIG warning from Richard to Jack before taking off to blow up the plane was “Don’t get in my way”. So what happened to Richard, Ben and Miles? Side trip to pick flowers?
Shouldn’t Desmond have climbed out of that well by now? It didn’t look all that deep. And the dude was in the military. He should have improvised a solution by now.
And the last time Locke was at the other island, didn’t he declare WAR on Widmore? So far all I see is a bunch of halfhearted bitchslapping going on.
“Is Ben still alive or did he die and I missed it?”
-I was just informed that Lepidus died, so welcome to the club
I believe Matt informed us that they were the ones who placed the explosives on the plane. He is our little stickler to detail guy, so I am going along with it anyways…..
I found it on Lostpedia, although I don’t believe it.
I believe you indeed should not!
Cause smokey informed us that those two retarded whitmore others were only guarding the plane to make the boarding seem just enough convincingly uneasy that the losties would not smell the trap, which means that those bombs were placed there by whitmore. I mean why would he have to rely on eyeliner to supply him with explosives? And if smokey was wrong and whitmore had no idea about the bomb cause indeed eyeliner placed it, why were there only two others on guard at the for smokey most important item?
Thats just it though!!! As long as it wasn’t Smokie who wired the plane, why did he even care who did. He had everything he needed right there. Load up everybody, and since it won’t do nothing to him. Whidnore or Richard or the man on the moon, it doesn’t matter, just so long as it wasn’t Smokie. Let them huff and puff and blow the plane away. Everything taken care of, tear my ass off the Island with Skidmore’s sub, and away I go. Now thats only if lostpedia is right in saying it was Richard and them rigging the plane. Or even if what Smokie was telling the truth about Skidmore’s bunch doing it. When push comes to shove all we really know for certain is that SmokinJohn went aboard and found the rigged up explosives…..
That was just so bad and boring. This show isn’t even fun to hate anymore.
Agree with pretty much everything said above by When Smokey Sings. I say this just about every week, but that really was perhaps the worst, most illogical, most inconsistent, just dumbest episode of Lost ever.
I completely agree with you. Both you and Smoky Sings have great names too…..
I’ve had about enough of the spelling/grammar critiques Matt. This is the INTERNET, get used to it. It’s not a fucking spelling bee and you aren’t our English teacher.
There are sooooooooo many things that you guys could have used to pick apart LostIsBest, but instead you chose to point out his spelling and grammatical errors. Awesome.. However, I do realize that it’s totally futile to even try to ‘argue’ with someone like that about Lost.
I don’t expect everyone to be geniuses. I’m certainly not a genius. But if people make posts, they could at least make them readable. That is the whole point to posting, right?, to have it be read by others?
It’s not hard to look up definitions of words you’re unsure about. It’s not hard to re-read a two or three-sentence post so that it’s actually coherent. Poor grammar and spelling is not a sign of lack of intelligence. It’s a sign of laziness.
If you want people to take your opinion seriously, the least you can do is act like you care about what you’re writing.
Even though I used lots of second-person pronouns, that was not addressed to you, fingerlings. So others, take note. Thanks.
I kinda feel like a douche now. I totally forgot that he said he was a Masters of Literature while sounding like a total moron.
You have to realize that a lot of people on here could very well be Chinese(for example) downloading the show and English isn’t their native language. Well, maybe not a lot, but definitely some.
After typing that, I just realized I don’t give a shit and I don’t even know why I’m making this point. That’s what I love about the internet, true freedom of speech. If you want to point out peoples spelling errors, have fun. Why the Hell should I care?
It’s nothing personal. I’m sure I sound annoying.
But it’s also annoying to read posts by such pretentious morons. He’s saying he’s smarter than I am because he went to grad school for literature, even though he’s probably never even read a whole book before.
I DON’T have an MA or PhD in English or anything else for that matter, yet I can write a readable paragraph. Ahhhhh the internet.
“or PhD in English”
-I’m sorry but I have to rip u a new asshole for that one. You just said that you don’t have a “doctorate of philosophy in English”
hXXp://gradschool.princeton.edu/about/departments/degree/
Sorry, Princeton doesn’t offer PhDs in asshole-ripping, but it certainly offers PhDs in English, like a lot of other schools.
Hell I don’t mind you correcting me Matt. Could be I just might learn a thing or two…..
Seriously? Princeton provides PhDs in English? That’s unbelievable. Usually they have their own acronyms: EngD (Doctorate of Engineering), JD (Juris Doctorate, Doctorate of Law), MD (Doctorate of Medicine)
Funny how it works sometimes. You can get a PhD in math and chemistry, too, and there’s not much philosophical about either of those. But at least you can still get a PhD in philosphy itself.
So nice try, once again. And I commend you for trying, as it will be funny as hell when I actually do make a mistake and EVERYONE can rub it in. I know what I’m setting myself up for, trust me.
I still like you though. Play any good video games lately? TF2 is my fave of all time.
oh shit. philosophy. heh.
I have an MLS, which I’m not even using. I claim the “super smart” crown.
You fuckers aint got shit compared to me!!! I have a D.A. Try and top that one eh? It stand for Ate up with the Dumbass…..
Never played team fortress 2 (not into multiplayer). I like playing old games (Half Life 1, Far Cry 1, The Neverhood, Grim Fandango, Myst, C&C 1), back when the story was important. Now the story in games is almost as pointless as the story in Lost.
I believe the reasons why so many seemingly “unphilosophical” subjects have PhDs is historic.
Chemistry is a branch of Physics, which in turn developed from the naturalist philosophy of ancient Ionian thinkers, at least in the “Western world”.
As for PhD in mathematics…I’m sure some of them ancientphilosophisers were also mathematicians, like Thales.
ah Half-Life and Command & Conquer…
There’s a clear deterioration in storyline in the C&C series.
As for Half-Life, it’s a bit like Lost with its lack of answers. But at least characters there act logically and don’t suddenly start trusting people who tried to kill them. Why the vortigaunnts switched sides was explained.
Oh yeah also the number of unexplained mysteries is fairly small: The G-Man.
C&C went downhill when EA bought out Westwood studios. C&C 1 had a solid story with references to the bible (Kane, Seth, Nod, EVA). C&C 2 was weird, 3 sucked, and now they have completely fucked it by removing even a base! How the fuck do you play an RTS game with no base?
HL 2 also sucked, IMO.
WOW!!! I feel old now for sure. The last video game I played was Mario 2 on the nintendo system…..
that was a sick game with some sick tunes. It was actually intended to be another game, then they changed the characters to Mario, Luigi. Princess and that toad dude. I still have that game.
I really don’t remember to much about it. The kids were still young back then. Hell I was even young. Well a lot younger anyways. If it was as stupid as you say, that might be why I gave up playing all together anyways…..
I quite liked C&C Tiberian Sun, the story was okay in 3 Tib Wars, but the game play wasn’t very innovative.
I haven’t got C&C 4 yet and didn’t know that there were no bases :O. So it’s really more a Real Time Tactics game.
What did you think about the Red Alert series and Generals?
RA1 was awesome, 2 and 3 are kinda lame. Although I do like parts of the satirical storyline in 3.
I liked Generals quite a lot, in part because it went back to having many real-life based units, like C&C1 and RA1.
Yes, Super Mario Bros. 2 was a completely unrelated game in Japan, and they just changed the sprites of the characters to Mario-ones for the rest of the world.
I never owned a NES or SNES, but found SMB1,3 and Super Mario World awesome. I only had 2 Super Mario games for the Game Boy.
“Sick” means “awesome” in this context. I first became aware of this colloquialism in 2005.
C&C 1, IMO, had the best story. Tiberian Sun was OK, and it still had the original feel to it. Tiberian War had really shitty cut scenes. In C&C1, Seth is trying to tell u a secret mission, and then Kane blows his head off. That’s bad ass. In 3, he shoots the chic in the chest, and surprise surprise she’s still alive. The guy who did the music for C&C 1 and RA1 did a great job as well.
I haven’t played 4, but it looks nothing like a C&C game.
RA was really cool, never played 2 or 3. Generals was also fun. I loved garrisoning buildings, putting snipers to mow down infantry…
And yes, Super Mario Bros 3 was a very special game.
And clearing out buildings with flame tanks, toxin tractors and somehow lethal flashbang grenades.
“In 3, he shoots the chic in the chest, and surprise surprise she’s still alive.”
I don’t remember this at all.
Do you mean General Killian Qatar, or Six from the Battlestar Galactica remake?
“In C&C1, Seth is trying to tell u a secret mission, and then Kane blows his head off.”
I was a little pissed off when he did that, as I was looking forward to that mission, a variation of which would later appear in Red Alert 2 (the Soviets need to destroy the Pentagon).
The only C&C I didn’t like the music of was RA2. Oh and Renegade (which I only played very briefly) has an atrocious remix of the very first C&C Music “Act on Instinct”.
Sawyer appears in C&C3 by the way as a native of Australia with the same accent he has in Lost.
Didn’t like Renegade much
Sawyer is in Tiberian SUn, and he’s kinda funny. They got some other famous people, like Billy Dee Williams, Michael Ironside, that guy from Clue was in RA 2 or 3, some hot chix too.
Who’s Michael Ironside and what’s Clue?
Caprica Six from Battlestar was Nod General Kilian Qatar in Tib Wars.
I am willing to let the occasional lapse in spelling and/or grammar go. I also understand that people (myself included) often write in a manner that more closely matches actual conversation and patterns of speech on sites such as these. However, I find NO excuse for a moron like LostIsBest who can’t manage to string together a coherent, understandable sentence (iphone or not). Especially when he’s claiming to have a Master’s in literature, but can’t correctly spell the name of one of the greatest and most influential authors to ever write in the English language.
You’re absolutely right.
I have to agree with you on this one NICO. For me this site has become not only a place to come to bitch about LO$T, but an educating experience as well. Just go back a couple of years and see how I posted as NOSEBLEEDSECTION. I didn’t use any punctuation, and most of the words were spelled wrong. People started saying, dude, we can’t read anything you post because its a jumbled up mess. Anymore my postings are just really lame or down right stupid. I do try to make them coherent though. So why even post if nobody can read it. Hell, I didn’t even make it through High School. Sometimes I use words like, wanna and gonna and others, but that is just my hillbilly nature coming out of me…..
You write like you talk, which in this arena works just fine. I do it all the time too. Just sayin’…
And we cherish your humility.
Yeah well, ahem ummm alright I really like you guys too. It’s my favorite little corner of the universe…..
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that. Good job, dude.
I don’t think words like “wanna”, “gonna”, “oughta”, “outta”, “shoulda”, “coulda”, “woulda”, “kinda”, “sorta” reflect “hillbilly nature”. I think most people who are used to using or hearing English colloquially use them, regardless of their background or education.
Oh…..
So you do remember how I posted back then. It was pretty pathetic. Every once in a blue moon I will go back and check out some of the old comments. Just to remember how bad it really sucked back then. Whats so bad is it has really sucked the big one for a long time now. I just trolled here for most of the season before I started commenting, I was afraid to post because I thought everybody would laugh at me. Funny because now you can’t shut my dumbass up…..
“There are sooooooooo many things that you guys could have used to pick apart LostIsBest”
Actually there aren’t, as he never started to present a single valuable argument backing up his LOST=Genius claim to start a discussion with him on ‘whylostsucks’.
FUCK YAAAA BOOYA BOOYA!!!! KATE DIES YAAAAAAAAAAA
Fuck she’s still alive. This was a Jack centric episode, but it didn’t blow chunks. I think they finally made an episode they should’ve made all along: where people actually die when put in an impossible situation. But you know Darlton are not capable pacing themselves. Lets have an entire season where none of the main characters dies. We’ll have plenty of time to work everything ou–HOLY SHIT there are only 4 more episodes left. Kill some characters, quick. Take out the immigrants.
This is the most ridiculous show. I think it’s got a 1:1 ratio of gun cocks to sob scenes. In fact that’s the whole plot of Lost: passengers aboard Oceanic flight 815 crash on a mysterious island where they the cry and cock.
Do you think they are now going for people who are not of a British background (Hurley) or non-US citizens (Desmond and Claire), now that they killed all the non-British-origin non-Americans?
You know it. Based on racial profiling, the characters will go in this order:
1)Miles b/c he’s a china man
2) Hurley b/c he’s a spic
3) Richard b/c he’s half Portuguese
4) Zoe b/c she’s 1/256th Cherokee
HA!!! Spic, thats funny. Next in line will be me.
5) Russell b/c I’m 94.6 Dumbass…..
Wait a minute here, I aint even on this piece of shit show. If I would have been, they would have killed me off pretty fast because I would have been running around saying. “What are my lines again?” “I can’t remember my lines.” “Has any body seen my lines.” “Do you know what my lines are?” “Have you seen my lines?” “I don’t know what my lines are.” Well you get the picture I’m sure…..
Oh yeah I forgot about Miles.
Isn’t Richard fully Spanish?
LOL @ Zoe.
Who’s Russel?
Thats my real name dude…..
I just made all that up. Not too sure what Richard is.
Oh. And you’re 94.6 years old?
Well he lived on one of the Canary islands is all I remember.
No!!! I’m only 50 years old. I am 94.6 percent ate up with the dumbass. You are right about Richard being from the Canary islands. Well that is if I remember correctly…..
“You are right about Richard being from the Canary islands. Well that is if I remember correctly”
-or if they change it in the next episode to make it so he was actually from the Bronx.
That’s actually more likely.
Seeing as Sayid was Iranian in at least one episode.
Thats right, I had completely forgot about that. Also lets not forget that the Captain only wants slaves who can speak english…..
Notes from ABC’s programming department:
Idea for a Lost spin-off, sit-com:
Hurley goes to South Korea to raise Jin and Sun’s child. Cultural clash and lots of fat jokes ensue. Must have “crazy gangster grandpa” character as Gladys Kravitz type foil. Little girl calls Hurley “Uncy Fatly” in cute accent. Possible titles: “Hurley’s Hurdles”, “Uncle Hurley Knows Best”, “Crazy Fat Round Eye” or “Hugo’s Huge Korean Adventure In Babysitting”.
Me too…..
How about Uncle Buck?
Uncle Schmuck.
“Honey, I ate the kids!”
“What’s Eating Girbert Glape”.
“Much Chicken Fat American Eats Show”
Did anybody else notice that while Hurley couldn’t find a first aid kit; behind the sub pilots head was a big white box with black letters reading “FIRST AID KIT”?
come on. have faith. it’s part of their big plan.
Yep, the first aid kit has its own flash-sideways. In the alternate world the EMS guys used it to patch up Sun’s wound on her trip to the hospital.
LOST
Thats beautiful man…..
LMFSAO the cross on that first aid kit is bigger than the cross hair in a first person shooter
Here it is:
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Remove space after http: (obviously)
Nice work. Was that supposed to be funny or are they really that sloppy?
anyone notice how when flocke was stabbed by sayid at dogen’s request several episodes back, the knife penetrated his shirt. the bullets from this past episode did not.
but maybe smokie just evolved. yeah, though smokie is supposedly really fucking smart, it must have slipped his mind that he didn’t have to steal other people’s clothes anymore and rather, could just transform himself entirely into a “clothed Locke” rather than a naked, pilfering version. btw, are locke’s tits shrinking again or what?
Watching the weight fluctuations of all the cast members other than Jorge Garcia, is one of the more entertaining aspects of the show.
Wasn’t it around noon when they boarded the sub? If they dived five minutes after they got on, the bomb went off four minutes later and they all swam to the surface five minutes after that…how did it become night when they washed ashore?
How about that plot device…Hey Sayid, hand me my backpack. I think I have a clean shirt to apply pressure to Kate’s wound. After being at the temple for a week, romping through the jungle with Team Hurley, jumping off Sawyer’s boat and into the ocean, (etc) how exactly does one still have a “clean” shirt? With such a small carry-on bag, how could one not be sure if there is a “clean” shirt. Why the clean shirt and no clean pants? Sayid has killed a few folks, swam up to the submarine and walked through the jungle and his black undershirt looks like he just took it off the shelf at Wal-Mart.
While we’re discussing bullshit, let me tell you a true story: I was in a car accident about ten years ago, one of the people involved in the accident was named Courtney. Now write that name on a sheet of paper and I dare any of you to go find Courtney (a la Private Investigator Jack Bauer Shephard) without her social security number, last known address, etc.
Wasn’t Claire broke or disowned in the original world? How does she have money to stay in an LA-area hotel for two weeks without any mention of flying back home? I would imagine she spent most of it on her ER visit (no American health insurance) to the hospital with Kate.
Alt-Sawyer’s been seeking “Anthony Cooper” for decades, and Dr. Jack finds him in, like, ten minutes.
By skip tracing him using a fucking DENTIST no less.
Wait did alt-Sawyer know hims as “Anthony Cooper” or just as “Sawyer”?
As I recall he (alt Sawyer) was at his desk and calling every Anthony Cooper in the world…..
HAAHAHA, how retarded.
Didn’t she also give Kate her credit card? Money damn sure don’t just fall out of the sky for me. So I sit on my hands to keep from spending it. What a bunch of bullshit eh? If I was in that same position I would have to be living under a fucking bridge…..
I would help either Claire or Kate take a bath…
I wood rub soap on them and get them very clean. I hear guncocks…
Sarah Silverman has pointed out that if a lady wants to get her boobs SUPER CLEAN, she should just take a shower with her boyfriend. I hear cocks, er, um…
I don’t think Kate has any tits. As for Claire though, I definitely would do her. Then again I have this thing for Aussie girls. I was there a long time ago. I visited a few major citys, but my favorite was Perth. I don’t know about now, but back then it was like a piece of heaven had broken off and hit the earth. The girls there were as sweet as a fine cherry pie…..
It hasn’t changed.
so is sawyer still gonna bitch about jack getting juliet killed, after sawyer got jin, sun, sayid, and lapidus killed? cool.
I don’t want to sound like a fanboi, so I will just advise you of your current situation: you are supporting Jack. Shocking. I know.
actually i’m supporting the idea of sawyer’s hypocracy. good try, though.
I’m not trying to be adversarial. But you can’t deny that you are, at the very least inadvertently, supporting jack
SPOILER:
Nikki and Paolo’s deaths affected me more than Sun and Jin.
At least Nikki looked real good in the diamond thief plot…
Besides, either Gin or Sun is still alive… because one of them is a candidate… yes/no?
AND BURNNNN!!!!!
Totally mate!!!
Bombs sure do have a sense of humor on this show, don’t they?
Yes, yes they do…..
Remember the Wile E. Coyote bomb with the pop-up “not yet” flag?
Now we get the “Whew, I’m diffused…….just kidding, DOUBLE TIME!” bomb.
So Flocke can’t kill the candidates directly (how is putting a sensitive plastic explosive in someone’s bag indirect) but he can trick them into killing one another?
Let’s examine this…..
If he Locked them in a room together forever, they wouldn’t starve to death, because he can’t kill them right?
Well, what if he only gave food to Hurley, but Hurley wouldn’t share it, then the others would starve because it’s Hurley’s fault right?
What other ridiculous ways can you imagine Flocke “indirectly” kill them all?
Make something funny up, gang!
fLocke gives Jack AIDS. Kate kills everyone else with it.
Damon, your show sucks. Your writing sucks. Your continuity sucks.
Why not let the mortars kill Jack? If Locke can’t directly kill Jack but needs him dead anyway, why not let the mortars kill him? Then we wouldn’t have that ridiculous “defuse the bomb” scene.
For that matter, why did Locke bother saving Sawyer when he fell from the rope ladder earlier this season?
PISS POOR WRITING.
Why WOULD Locke save Jack from the mortars? That makes less sense than anything, and that’s saying something.
Also, why does he (the Smokeness Lockester) want to be going and killing all of Whidmores people. When they could be helping him kill off the same people he himself is trying to kill. He is obviously faster than a speeding bullet. Not able to leap sonic fences, they’re out of bounds and there just aint no trains on the island. Anywho I would think he could go about killing these candidates in a whole different fashion. For example, you take like lets say Sawyer. You say “hey Sawbucks lets me and you go for a little walk eh” and you walk by some place where Skidmore’s people are gaurding. When you get close you start hollering something like “HEY YOU FUCKERS REALLY SUCK DONKEY ASS” and in just a matter of no time, problem solved. Now I can’t say that after a couple of times of coming back alone that you could get anybody else to go with you. Hey, even the best of plans have little problems to go with them. All that matters is that your down a couple of candidates…..
Locke Ness Smokester, dammit!
Hey now, you like it your way I like it mine. Don’t mess with me on this one. Or I’ll huff and I’ll puff and, oops wait a minute, wrong story. It actually made a little sense…..
Hahaha, agreed. Smokeness Lockester makes less sense and is therefore, because of superior Lostyness, equally valid to me now.
Why didn’t he destroy the cave with the water in Season 1. Then they’d die of thirst. Why did the samurai think Sayid would gt killed by flocke if he stabbed him?
because every single other on the island is devoting his life, is killing and willing to be killed without having the slightest idea what it’s for and what’s going on.
When you put it that way it’s entirely plausible
I think Smokie was created by the experimental scientists within Nazi Germany from the ashes and Aryan spirit of Hitler. He is a Valkyrie. When he states at the end of the episode he “needs to finish what he started” he meant the final solution. Firstly Hurley needs to go because not only is he a spick, he is also too fat to be from the chosen race. Claire was spared because she is the perfect blond, blue-eyed and has proven to produce strong healthy chlidren. Sawyer is definitely the candidate to be the Adam for Claire’s eve. They will then continue the work done by the Dharma initiative aka the Third Reich to research and produce the perfect race. Smitler intends to “finish what he started” and take over the planet, one Pacific island at time. Of course Smitler will be defeated by the actor that looks the most Jewish, Jack. Good American jew looking Jack will foil the plans of the Nazi Initiatve and jump over the sonic fences on a Dharma motorcycle with the theme song of “The Great Escape” and the world will be safe from the Nazis again.
Sig Heil.
L O S T
Bad Jewbot (South Park…? anybody…?)
…protect Jon Stewart!….he’s our most important Jew!
LOL! The “Scare-Jew”… too funny. “Ahhh, Krsytalnacht!!!” I fucking love Mort Goldman.
LOL, I actually laffed at that too…
Mecha Streisand?
If Hurley is too fat, then what about Göring? Did Hitler merely start WW2 to ultimately get rid of said fatso?
Maybe Hurley will kill himself too. I hope so.
Yes, I can see it now. Hugo is the new Jacob, everyone else has died, even Smokie. He is there all by himself. OK, the whispers are there to, but Hurley is so hungry, they are afraid to go around him. Fearing that he might figure out a way to eat them. He becomes so overwhelmed by hunger that he takes a big bite right out of his own arm!!! After chewing on it a bit He gets a big shit eating grin on his face and says. “Yummie, tastes just like chicken!!!” As the sun slowly drops in the sky, and twilight overtakes the plush green island. We see Hurley has finished off one wholw arm, part of the other and has now started on one of his legs. Fade to black…..
Matt, I ll take your role for once:
it’s “Sieg” and “Kristall”
we would make good nazis
with their ability to seduce the masses with bullshit, so would the writers
You mean there not? Hmm I always figured they were…..
WTF. What the hell is going on with this show? It is even more infuriating as last season. It seems to be only a freakshow of who’s who in the “real” world or whatever the alternative timeline is.
I bet the last episode big reveal will be a big let down… “oh Locke is the Evil and Jacob is Good… and Evil is trapped on the Island… I’d have never seen that coming.”
I must say I like Hurley. I’d really like to see a spinoff show based around the alternative rich Hurley. He could travel around the getting into adventures and solving crimes with his large cash flow. It could be called simply “Hurley!”
Paul.
Sorry, but Jorge Garcia is already committed to doing my Lost spin-off “Fat Crazy Round Eye”. A sit-com about Hurley raising Jin and Sun’s daughter in North Korea. Nice idea though.
“Fat Crazy Round Eye”.
I like it!
Why thank you kind sir.
LOL, why North Korea all of a sudden?
So he can watch the latest Hollywood blockbusters alongside Kim Jong Il while they both share a humongous amount of popcorn that blocks their view of the screen?
I of course meant South Korea. My bad. The Kim Jong Il angle is pretty good though. They can get Bobby Lee to play Kim.
The show is actually fine if you only consider each episode individually. And you over look the gun cocks. And fast forward all the scenes where Jack cries. And put the volume to mute. And put a post it note every time Sun’s ginormous nose appears.
Puckster, Stop writing! You are an idiot. I don’t know why Matt let you off so easy.
“Sun’s ginormous nose?” Asians have small, wide noses – deal with it, you racist moron.
Actually I never noticed it until an Asian pointed it out to me. So if you expect an apology, I regret to inform you that it’s not forthcoming.
Don’t let that dickweed get to you. You are one of my favorite posters on this site. So keep up the good work…..
Water under the bridge boys.
And I’m glad you like my work =)
I think it’s okay to say a person who happens to be Korean has a big nose. Nowhere was that big nose connected to Koreans, so no racism.
But according to Michael, though: Koreans, Russians, Indians and Israelians all have the same noses, which is small and wide.
And don’t say Israel is not in Asia. Save yourself the embarrassment.
Now I’m going to correct myself and say Israelis.
The irony is that his comments were racist b/c he generalized to an entire race/ethnicity.
Also, to what is her referring to here “I don’t know why Matt let you off so easy. “
Comment by SMOKIE NOT LOCKE
2010-05-05 02:41:33
Just like to clear a couple of things up here. Who are you referencing when you say my meercats? Can tears actually be masochistic? I really don’t get that one. This one is for the people that comment on this site. Do any of you wear oxycontin-smelling fake-beards? If so, please tell me where I can purchase one of them at a discount price. Last but not LO$T. Just where are us bitches supposed to go back to? Just wondering anyways…..
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For some reason it wouldn’t post up there…
OK, SMOKIE, I’ll translate it for where you grew up: Just a matter of time my rabies possums (Instead of meercats)…Good enuff?? Secondly I’m sure you already have a fake looking beard so just crumple up some oxy and wipe your beard with it and inhale often…Thirdly, “You have to go back to the island!!” or in other words once LOST finally ends all you losers will want to go back, back in time so you can LOVE than hate LOST all over again…Masochists will have syndication to jack-it til then….And jack-it they will…Until they cry…
For more information on sexually abused meercats, country possums, jackin’ it after LOST ends, and oxycontin beards please visit the Library of Congress…Or follow us on the web @ WTF.net/org LEARN MORE TODAY!
*trying to stifle laughter*
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oxycontin beards… that’s rich.
Hmmmm not bad, not to shabby. OK, where I come from it’s opossum. Also I am not “your” nothing!!! Referencing your comment that “I” somehow belong to you in some way. You must remember that “you” are the Troll under my bridge. Referencing Troll as you (Infected) and bridge, pertaining to this site or as I like to call it, “my home.” Even though I do not own said site. I kind of like it here. Secondly as for my face, I assure you I am clean shaven. Also I own no oxycontin or fake beard even for that matter. Thirdly, thats the best you could come up with, about the tear thing?!? I am beginning to wonder about the validity of your self proclaimed stature in society. Last but not LO$T, (I use the dollar sign for the $ but you can’t really tell) I was stationed on that island for two years back when I was in the military. I hated that place with a passion by the time I left. So I would rather put a bullet hole in my head before ever going back to that rock!!! So there ya go!!! Oh yeah, say “hey” to Patty T. for me would ya? Thanks…..
Well, I didn’t wanna go too deep with the whole masochist thing for joke purposes, but I will explain coming up short on that…Ya see a masochist (in this sense) is a person that watches something that they know will piss them off…Yet they watch it anyway because deep down there’s something inside of them that inanely enjoys that hurt, that “pissed-offness”…And anything with any level of hurt (as a mechanism) has the potential to display emotional responses to that hurt (like a porn-star crying via the pain of a buttplug, even though she really enjoys it)…LOST is your buttplug (Not literally ofcourse, although I don’t claim to know you personal interactions with opossums)…Harsh description I know, but the tears one may display for LOST in a masochistic way is similar in nature…And when it ends, I know the true nature of many who “HATE” the show will be revealed…
*With a Cheeky Face*
Answers revealed?
OK thats a little better but it still seems to be laking something, but I can’t put my finger on it. Where I am or from don’t have any opossums. That seems to be your thing there with the animals and such, so don’t try pinning that one on me…..
Possums and Opossums are actually different species.
This show likes opposites, black and white, good vs. evil. In the other alt universe you find the direct polar opposite of each character – right? Con man Sawyer or Cop man Sawyer, Cripple Locke or Walking Locke, bald Locke or bad toupee Locke and so on. It stands to reason that the opposite of obese Hurley should be anorexic Hurley in the other alt universe but only a dipshit like Damon would equate the opposite of obese as being mega-wealthy.
Blubber is conserved in all the alt universes.
My theory is that the only logical finale left for LOST is a food eating contest (hot dogs, blueberry pie, watermelon, boiled eggs, etc) of some sort and for the big reveal/twist it’s not Hurley who wins but the skinniest person – Miles – that wins.
And as a final note for Damon, that auto-gun-cocking is getting fucking moronic. You have to find better things for your actors to do with their free hands while hiding/treking in the jungle. Give them chopsticks or bic lighters you fricking moron.
Hurley’s dichotomy was ‘lucky’ vs ‘unlucky.’
Just sayin’.
Your idea would mean getting two different actors to play him.
They could have used that DJ Qualls kid….
I KNOW I say this A LOT, but THAT I would watch.
Yes you do and yes you would…..
I have no idea why I feel the need to post that everytime you say that. It’s just the first thing that pops into my lame brain after you say it…..
That’s OK Smokie, I think it’s funny. Since I say the same thing every time it makes perfect sense.
Fat unlucky vs. fat lucky. You’d think a guy sitting on a few 100 million would invest some of that into fixing himself up?
Liposuction Hurley, liposuction.
I haven’t read any comments yet on how Locke managed to solder up the wires and Macgyver that digital wristwatch into a bomb timer.
He sidelines as a wizard…..
Who the *uck was Frank Lapidus and why was he “summoned” back to the island? Was he the official “island pilot” or something? Why no stewardess or mechanic to go along with him? With all of the time he spent in the story, one would think there would be some sort of significance to his character.
I’m trying to think what he contributed… Not even any gun cocking or waste of time love stuff. That is unless he hooked up with Sun and we didn’t know about it…
Seriously though, what a sweet gig for Jeff Fahey. Dude gets to hang out in Hawaii, probably pull down a decent pay-check, and all he has to do is say approximately 0.21 syllables per episode. Honestly, I wonder what his dollar-per-syllable wage is at right now.
I feel sorry for the guy. He was the new froghurt, but didn’t even get a descent death. I seriously didn’t know he was dead until someone mentioned it on here. Did Darlton expend all the budget on gun cocks, and had none left to do a camera shot showing that Lepidus is dead? They are seriously averse to answering any questions. The season finale will be 2 hours of jungle treks/ gun cocks and then
BOOM
?
they don’t want to make lepidus’ death definitive, as they have most likely still no real plan for the last 3 episodes, they want to preserve the possibility to bring him back if suddenly they feel like it. That will be the big reveal in the finale: He’s still alive, BOOM!!!
That would actually be cool if the series finale was called The Pilot part 1 and The Pilot part 2. Get it? The Pilot? b/c Lepidus comes back. But it’s also the name of the first two episodes. Then Darlton could claim that it was their plan all along and everything was perfectly thought out (even though they just stole my idea)
‘Lost’ Finale Grows by 30 Minutes
“ABC’s send-off for “Lost” is starting to seem as long as a flight on Oceanic Airlines, not that its fans will mind. The network is extending the finale by half an hour, giving the producers two and a half hours in all, and delaying local newscasts that night, May 23. A total of seven and a half hours of “Lost” is planned that weekend, according to ABC’s schedule. First the network will rerun the two-hour pilot on May 22, at 8 p.m. Then on May 23, “Lost” takes over the schedule, starting with a two-hour look back at 7 p.m. The finale starts at 9. Then at 12:05 a.m., Jimmy Kimmel will host a special episode of “Jimmy Kimmel Live” titled “Aloha to ‘Lost,’ ” featuring alternative endings to the show and appearances by the producers.?
Holy $hit, this is gonna be GREAT!
yeah, getting displayed the degeneration LOST went through from season 1 to 6 in one trenchant summary clip should almost be worth watching it!!!
Don’t get so excited. It does not mean 30 extra minutes of Lost. Just an excuse for ABC to add 20 more minutes of advertising time into the slot. Milk it baby, Milk it!
And a million rabid lost fans just wet their pants in joy…
And a million LOST haters will clear their schedules and watch all this shit, thus validating ABC’s decision…We live in a fucked up world Nico…
I doubt “haters” will watch anything but the finale itself, and maybe that talkshow.
Those are the two things I intend to watch anyway.
Well if that aint the biggest bunch of horse shit I aint never heard before in my whole entire life…..
LMAO, dude you know you’re gonna watch all this shit..Let’s just be real…love it or hate, if yall in for a dime then give me a fucking dollar…
I don’t even have a dollar to give ya even if you was gonna give me a sawbuck back…..
Of course I’m going to watch it. I never denied that. I’ve wanted DESPERATELY to quit several times this season. It’s only my tenacious sense of self-loathing and the nagging of my (normally quite reasonable) finacee that have gotten me this far.
And that’s a definition of masochism, inwhich I had been saying…It’s almost over bro, then ye can start dissing Fringe or something next season…
So the final ~85 minute episode will now be spread out over a 150 minute slot rather than the 120 minute slot it was written for? Sweet, 30 extra minutes of commercials. What a bonus!
I bet they fill it with 30 minutes of ’smarter than thou’ exposition, like:
“Hey did anyone notice how we named the rabbit in one of the recent episodes ‘Angstrom’?? Because we’re referencing the ‘Rabbit’ novels by John Updike (which have NOTHING to do with this show), and that MUST mean we’re smart and well-read and good writers. PLUS there’s a SECOND LAYER in that Angstrom is also the name of a Physicist. And we’ve named lots of people after Physicists and Philosophers, because really this is the thinking man or lady’s show. And people like Desmond and Locke and Faraday and Rousseau really embody the philosophies or sciences of their namesakes. They’re definitely not just empty allusions that we came up with while trolling through Wikipedia.”
I’m honestly surprised they didn’t name the dog “Nietzsche” instead of Vincent.
From Dark UFO:
“The Candidate was a slap-in-the-face reminder of one sure thing: the end is drawing near. It had thrills, chills, chaos and death, but it also had a pace that worked really well for how quickly it advanced the storyline. Also, for the first time in a while, there was a solid balance between on and off island… maybe because the alternate timeline scenes were totally excellent this week.”
That shit is just plain crazy.
Awesome 75% (16,348 votes)
Great 15% (3,297 votes)
OK 6% (1,376 votes)
Poor 2% (327 votes)
Awful 2% (390 votes)
Total Votes: 21,738
Ha!!! What a bunch of bullshit…..
Ya why don’t we edit that to be more realistic:
“The Candidate was a slap-in-the-face. It had chaos, and it also had a pace intended to quickly advance the storyline. Surprisingly, for the first time in a while, we weren’t bored to death with the off island scenes… usually because the alternate timeline scenes are total horse shit.”
Thing is that the story line didn’t advance much if any. Just because four characters died doesn’t advance the story line. Well much anyways. Locke is still a dumbass cripple who can’t get over his new daddy issues. Smokie is still on the island. Jacob is still dead. No candidate has been chosen. Kate is still alive and not a shrunken headed stick figure. Jackass is not dead and is still a Jackass. See very small amount of plot movement…..
Plot movement in the form of it has now been stated that Smokie has to kill the candidates to get off the island. At least until the next episode when we realize that that’s not the case either, and oh look another character.
HAHA!!! You know you are right too. Since the rules seem to change all the time, or they make them upas they go you just can’t possibly go wrong there. Also the previews said something about a woman. I can’t really remember but I think she is Smokie’s mom or something like that anyways…
it really bothers me that they disregard previous answers. Lock said he needed them to get off the island. Then it’s revealed that he needs them to die to get off the island. OK. You got me Smokie. You pulled a fast one there. I’ll give you that.
But when Smokie says he’s not the smoke monster (told Richard, Jacob has your wife), then says he is the smoke monster, or when smoky says the island is hell, then Jacob says it’s not, then Richard says it is, or when Richard says he’s dead, then Jacob convinces him otherwise, then Richard says it again to Jack…I stop listening to everyone. It’s like telling your kid brother he’s adopted, oh no I’m just joking, over and over again.
why do i have a feeling they will do some dumb shit like Sun and Jin’s daugther is really the candidate or whatever that chosen one is supposed to be. Probably something like how Luke Skywalker was hidden away… they have been mentioning star wars a lot lately.
Nah. That kid will be involved in the big, sweeping, orchestral, slow-motion Dénouement. I’ll take Vegas odds on that. Likely juxtaposed with that other kid that got left behind. Remember Claire’s kid? The one that was raised by Jack and Kate until they both abandoned him for greener, jungle-trekking pastures? Darlton have some serious hate for infants. Or maybe they’re just ‘writing what they know.’ Namely, self-absorbed, nonsensical, illogical, seemingly motivationless and meandering lives spent in the pursuit of the next cheap gun-cocking thrill at the expense of all who matter.
One thing is for sure, this show is one for the ages. Vacuous.
Holy SHIT am I bitter.
I think the extra 30 minutes (mentioned earlier) is going to be used for an extended slow motion walk.
You know it.
There will be half an hour of utter lameness after some action-packed scene, much like in the final part of the Lord of the Rings film series.
Expect a lot of tree-falls-in-forest-Jack-cries scenes in the finale
Yes, and walk-slo-mos of events we’ve already seen, like somebody here anticipated.
Remember a few episodes back when Michael warned Hurley not to blow up the plane, because people would die, and it would be Hurley’s fault?
Hurley changed the plan.
People died.
Thanks for the help, Michael!
Lesson learned: just because dead people can talk to you doesn’t mean they have a clue what’s going to happen in the future, huh.
The problem is we don’t know if that was Michael, or Flock, or someone else. The writer’s don’t answer questions. And even if they do, they are so inconsistent, nobody takes them seriously. What Michael said to Hurley might have been important, but after 6 seasons no one gives a shit. Low and behold, the plan changed anyways.
I think it is always the case in Lost because the writers are just making things up.
Remember Ben warned Roussel to keep away from the Whispers? Its clear that the Writers want to make a connection between the Others and the Whispers. Now they are running out of episodes and Boom! Whispers = dead people.
They call these illogical things as “twists”!
Lost Sucks!
That was one case. Another is that people lie. For example MIB told richard that Jacob is the Devil, then Jacob implied that MIB is the devil. For all we know, Jacob might be the bad guy. Same with Michael, maybe he just plain lied.
Lying, the new “there’s no time for that”
i don’t believe in good and evil, but i do believe in the assholy nature of people, and so far just about everyone on the show has been shitty to someone else between season 1 and now, so fuck em all, really. they’re all liars.
You’d think they would have pushed the Lord of Flies angle a little more. They hinted at it with the Locke-Boone-Ethan trio. But I expected more factions. And why the fuck does nobody tell anyone when they see a smoke monster or hear whispers? To quote one of the posters here, the losties talk less than the borg.
No one lies, actually. Its also part of the “twist”.
According to LostSpoilers, Adam and Eve will be revealed. I think it is quite possible that they are Benard and Rose. As they were not seen for many episodes.
does anyone even give a shit who they are? they’ve had virtually nothing to do with anything so far. ugh.
Adam and eve are man in black and his mother.
Yes, you know how the thinking on this show is, incest is best. Thats why Jackass wants Claire to come stay with him…..
I especially like the part about the ticking time bomb, that’s booby trapped to explode if you try to disarm it. Locke even was able to program the guy’s watch to accelerate it’s countdown, after a brief fake out pause no less!! These writers are Rock Stars!!!
I liked the delay before the watch started speeding up. A lot of number crunching going on in there. I’m surprised they didn’t cut the green wire.
Comment by Brandon
2006-11-03 00:16:05
I was really hoping this episode would end with Lock and Echo in the hatch, and one of them asks “But who would be crazy enough to sit in a room and watch hours of people doing absolutely nothing?”
Then they would both look directly at the camera as the screen fades to black and the credits roll.
whylostsucks.com/2006/05/11/the-home-theater-hatch/#comments
Yeah thats fucking hilarious!!! They even knew clear back then that this was a worthless, time waisting, no plot movement what so ever suckfest…..
The criticism page of Lostpedia has grown since I last visited that site about a year or two ago:
lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Criticism
I have never been to lostpedia so I guess I will go chech it out…..
Some douchebaggery of the two writers:
“In response to those complaints, executive producer Damon Lindelof has stated that “the boards can be really toxic” when it comes to continuity problems, defending himself that “it’s television”. [50] The problem with Charlotte’s birth date has even led to a brief dispute between Lindelof and fellow executive producer Carlton Cuse and actress Rebecca Mader, who played Charlotte, after Lindelof and Cuse initially incorrectly blamed Mader for being responsible for the inconsistency.”
…yeah, I heard that not everyone on the cast went to the series wrap party 2 weeks ago…
The thing I do not understand is what was the point of Locke convincing Sawyer to join him and taking him to that cave with all the names writtens and telling him he is a candidate, if MIB’s plan is to kill the candidates (the obvious option) why did he save Jack on last episodes and why he save Sawyer from falling on the leader to get to the cave? It makes no fucking sense Sawyer would die falling and Lock would not have to do nothing about it.
Also this last episode was pretty racist, the two inmigrant die and the arabic is a kamikazi bomber? what the hell man?
Lock supposly cannot swim and he dives on the sea, why he cannot swimm off the island then, as Lock not the Smoke form?
How did Lock Programm a timmer bomb from a watch in less than 2 minutes with out anyone noticing? I don’t get it he is suppously the devil not Mcgyver.
How the hell did Jack got out of the submarine with Sawyer at the same time of Hurley and Kate? Hurley got and avantage of 3 mins and Kate is conscious Sawyer is not.
How come Sun was trapped on those metals no one can move? It wasn’t very clear why she cann’t move or no one can saver her but, thank god she is dead because she is been the most annoying character on the show with her frase “Where is Jin?”.
How come the got in the submarine in the afternoon and been there no more than 10 minutes and when they escape is completly dark night?
Why did Kate survive? I am wishing she dies because she got a very annoying character too lately.
Why Jack has the obssesion to stalk people who don’t want his help? And if Lock wanted Jack’s, who the hell is paying for his operation? Is it for free in America? Don’t make me laugh!!!
Dude this show gets more ridiculous every time you watch, it just no makes any sense!!
The producers LOST IT Completely and there is no fixing!!!
This is how the writers come up with a script
-We don’t need Jin, Sun, and Sayid. Lets just kill them
-We need a distraction so everyone can get on the sub. Fuck it, toss him in the ocean
-we need to destroy the sub, lets just have MIb make bomb
-We need a collective sob scene, lets have them all land on the beach
-We need it to be dramatic, so lets just make it night
-We need to get Jack to say “I wish you had believed me”, lets have him stalk Locke.
You know. I really think what you said is real!
The writers are using a bottom-up approach to write this show with a very vague framework.
Exactly! I hate bottom up approaches (knew there was a technical term for it) to stories. Now what is the technical term for a show like Lost which is not ad hoc like most conventional shows?
Well I hate to do this to you but here it is anyways;
Come to the J.J. Abrams school of fine writing. Where we teach you how to make mysteries, convolute stories, make half assed actors lose all acting abilities. We here at the school don’t believe in the old style of writing. We take pride in our complete incompetence in story telling capabilities. We also teach you how to stall a plot, bring in many useless characters, have them do absolutely nothing for the storyling and then kill them off. If this doesn’t get you excited, well this will. We teach you how to bring up serious questions and then either answer them very stupidly, or not at all!!! So enroll now!!! Don’t miss this great, one chance, opportunity of a lifetime!!! Right here at the J.J. Abrams school of fine writing. We will see you therrrrrrrrrrrreeeee…..
Also I personally think the term should be; suckfest completely and totally…..
Also how’s about this one, sports fans:
what was the fucking loophole?
the loophole allowing mibley fiendish to 86 amazing autistic everywhere jacob?
yeah. loophole explanation.
never.
this show is a cheap ass magic trick. left hand waves, right hand picks your pocket.
According to this
lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bloopers_and_continuity_errors
there were 3 plot holes in season 1, 5 in season 2, 4 in season 3, 2 in season 4, 2 in season 5, and 7 in season 6.
Now lets look at two type of mistakes:
Ignoring Physics:
1 in season 3, 5 in season 4,
Timeline inconsistencies:
3 in season 5, 2 in season 6.
This is ridiculous: images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090216190644/lostpedia/images/7/7d/4×03_Traffic_Sign.jpg
link doesn’t work for me
It’s probably on the “The Economist” page of lostpedia.
Oh wait, I just realized that the number of bloopers/continuitys errors in each episode’s pagee is much larger than the number of errors listed per episode in the Bloopers_and_continuity_errors page. Fuck it, I’m not going thru those.
I read some of them. Talk about making mountains out of molehills
“Both Sawyer’s hair and Sayid’s facial hair is notably longer in the final scene of the episode than it had been in previous scenes.”
Man I thought we were obsessive, guess not
” In a flashback, Michael is using a pay phone to talk to Susan, who is overseas. From dialog, we learn that Walt (who is 10 in the Island sequences of 2004) is 21 months old; so by subtraction we can infer that this is taking place in 1996. Over Michael’s shoulder, we see a New York City subway station that is served by the N, R and W trains. But the W train did not start running in New York until July 2001.”
So what happens to Sayid’s dear Naadia?
Do you guys think they put the actors through speech lessons to bizarrely mispronounce their Naaaadias, and PENAAAAYs, and Jinsoosons (am I saying it right)?
God I wish I can go back on time and help everyone on this world from watching this crap!!!
Still tied with Biggest Loser…
9 p.m.
CBS: “NCIS: Los Angeles” (14.2 million, 8.9/14)
FOX: “Glee” (11.9 million, 7.0/11)
ABC: “Lost” (9.5 million, 5.7/9)
NBC: “The Biggest Loser” (9.3 million, 5.7/9)
The CW: “Life Unexpected” rerun (1.1 million, 0.7/1)
18-49 leader: “Glee” (4.9)
Sorry, but Glee sucks way more ass than Lost. I’m SO tired of Jane Lynch, she’s funny but even more overexposed than that old bat Betty White. The show has no consistency at all (so maybe it has something in common with Lost after all?) and the 30 year old high school students are lame cardboard cut outs. It seems they are trying to make fun of the old after school specials but failing miserably. Did I mention the the song and dance numbers are beyond horrible?
I quote two folks from the fuselage:
Someone said,
“Why don’t the LOST producers ask for one extra season, so they don’t have to rush through this one, and alienate half their audience?”
And someone responded,
“Best question of all. I have personally loved this season, but would’ve loved it more if it would have slowed down a bit.”
What the fuck are these people thinking?! Slow it down?! Ask for another season?! Why?! So the writers can squander all their time like this season!?
And another:
“TOTALLY,TOTALLY agree!!!!! everything has been way too rushed”
too rushed? For the love of god, mate, “LET THE MADNESS FINISH FOR ONCE AT ALL!!!”
ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! There ya go…..
Well I agree it’s been rushed but that’s b/c
A) The Alt verse is a colossal fuck up
and B) They left all the answers until, presumably, the last 2 episodes+finale
But this:
“I have personally loved this season, but would’ve loved it more if it would have slowed down a bit.”
this is just reprehensible.
Pure crap. I mean 100% pure crap…..
I think season 6 is rush. But it is because the writers did not answer the mysteries in earlier seasons and throw out some lame answers due to limited remaining episodes.
Limited remaining episodes? Are you kidding me man? They could do that all season 4, 5 and this season too instead filling this 2 seasons with time/travel and good vs evil crap, I think that the last 30 episodes of lost had been the worst made up crap I watched in a long time on TV.
Really man It is hard enough to understand how there is people out there that still think that this is the best show ever but, excusing this producers/writers from this show it is just sad.
ep1-14 has felt stagnant. the finale will seem rushed. but just think, if 1-14 were not so slow-moving, the finale wouldn’t need to be rushed.
nothing has been rushed about this show. the pacing has been some of the slowest i’ve ever seen, and because of that, the finale will hit us like a ton of bricks. either that, or it’ll be more of the same. who knows.
if you mean rushed, as in the writers have been rushing to write episodes, and not giving them much thought, then yes, the writers have been rushing, but that’s what happens when they procrastinate and cram all the pay-off into one (admittedly 2.5-hour) finale.
the entire series could have been a 2.5-hour movie, if it were well-written.
“the entire series could have been a 2.5-hour movie, if it were well-written.”
QFT
Yeah, the only time anything ever happens is in season openers and finales. If you cut out the stares, gun-clicks and pointless jungle-treks, it boils down to 2 hours.
What is QFT??? Can’t quite figure this one out.
Quite Fucking True
Quick Fucking Turtle
Quite Fine Titties
OK here it is,
Quit Fucking Torturing me
Well maybe not…..
Quoted for Truth
I think Matt just rephrased what I intended to say.
Absolutely. Credit goes to you, my friend.
I thank for you helping me rephrased, my friend.
Goddammit Matt sometimes your all right dude…..
Those fanbois are apparently trying hard – and succeeding – to be their own parody.
“I didn’t like this episode because something happened in it.”
I guess you all everybody have become complacent with this show because if there is any movement to the story it all of the sudden it becomes rushed. I personally think that the last few seasons have been slower then a snails pace. Fanbois what do ya do with em? Oh yeah, get a rope…..
This illustrates the “average intelligence” phenomenon.
Half the population are below average intelligence. For them, LOST is the monolith in 2001, and they are the monkeysuit savages.
Even though Lost sucks, I was kind of into the idea that someone was coming to the island to wreak some havoc (i.e. Jacob saying, “They’re coming!” when FLOCKE kicked him into the fire).
Was he just referring to Widmore? Or the candidates? If so, that is the lamest “answer” yet. It’s like TPTB are being intentionally inept.
Do the writers/producers take no pride in their work? Did they have no desire to look back and say, “Damn, I wrote the hell out of that series!” How could any succesful writer believe this is stellar work? Every Hollywood screenwriter must make fun of them behind their backs.
I think after Lost, Lindelof and Cuse will become pariahs in the entertainment business. No respectable writer will work with them, and they will never be allowed to within 500 meters of an HBO employee.
It also affects JJ Abrams, at least for me, I will not watch any more JJ’s movie.
from a businessman’s standpoint, these writers are miracle workers. just think of all the money they’ve made for ABC.
i wouldn’t be surprised if they have more job opportunities lined up, but i certainly won’t be watching any of their shows in the future.
but they’ll always have an audience. tv is not the thinking-man’s medium, after all.
Yeah I don’t think they’re dumb. They’re utterly shit writers, but they ain’t stupid. They know how to lure in an audience, and that makes them valuable to the industry.
I have still not seen JJs Star Trek film, although I do intend to see it at some point.
I haven’t either and never plan to. Even though I have always been a big STAR TREK fan…..
What do you mean by “even though”?
Not watching his Trek 2.0 is the main indicator for being a ST-fan!!!
abrams simply fucked anybody being intrigued of the true soul of Star trek from ‘the rear end’ with this superficial disney chanel bullshit he puked out from his flatlined non-brain and is even believing he created something marvellous!
by not of
Star Trek had the typical plot: Bad guy wins first battle, bad guy loses second battle
Plus it wreaked of JJ plot holes. They initially go through a black hole, but the second time the black hole destroys them.
To destroy a planet they have to ‘detonate’ the black hole inside the planet, when a black hole would destroy entire galaxies.
Hey, what can I say, I’m old school. Hell the last movie That I went to the theater to watch was STAR TREK THE FINAL FRONTIER. Holy shit that was a long time ago…..
We should set up a site where you enter the name of the movie you want to rent…torrent, or the show you want to watc…download, and then it will tell you if it is good or if it is affiliated with one of the writers of Lost. Maybe have different grades, like if it is written by Lindelof or Cuse, the screen goes black and there is a burning red swastika in the middle with a nuclear explosion in the background. But if it is affiliated with the CGI team, it just shows a dog turd.
I will not watch any more JJ’s movie.
You mean PAY to watch, right?
Bingo!
I’ve never paid to watch any of JJs crap, but now I demand to BE paid to watch any
.
Wait a minute here, LOSTard. Not really trying to be a dick here, just a bit of an asshole I guess, because it’s just my nature. I thought you said you had the first three seasons. Not saying you couldn’t have recorded them. I am just looking for a little clarity here on this issue…..
You’re astute. Yes, I recorded them. They take up about two or three CD/DVD spindles.
Yet another mystery solved. I really liked the part about having them pay you to watch their shit…..
Amen for that my brother!!!! That is 2 of us no more JJ’s material ever again, this show was the biggest disappointment ever and he is to blame for it.
I think a lot of the blame can be shared by ABC.
The writers are kind of constrained by the demands of network television and their desire to have a certain number of episodes, seasons, whatever.
If Lost were actually able to tell its story at its “natural” pace, who knows what *might* have been.
But the strain of keeping the ending secret, coupled with trying to advance the story is definitely apparent in this season, way more than past seasons.
True the producers brought these issues on themselves, and they could have put their foot down and said “we’re doing X number of episodes and that’s it,” but things are what they are.
While some of this is true, the writers still made horrible choices which cannot be blamed on network demands. It was their decision to have the characters be totally unrelatable, have no goals or motives, and to introduce this flash sideways timeline that no one cares about. They could have spent this entire season wrapping up storylines, but instead they’re ignoring everything that they told us was important for 5 years and introduced a boring as hell alt universe. Fuck, I get so angry just thinking about it.
Anyway, this strikes me as the fault of the producers/writers.
I understand what you’re saying, and totally agree, but I am speaking more to what would have been had they decided to make a mini-series or two hour movie instead of a series with indeterminate length.
And they definitely could have done better with this season within the constraints of the hand they were dealt, but it’s pretty obvious they are being meta when they write in lines like “I feel like we’re going in circles.”
Then again, it could be that the whole concept of the show was flawed from the beginning, and they were just able to make things look good for the first few episodes or I could be more forgiving of those episodes because I *thought* there was a point to all of it.
I personally feel that this is the biggest issue of them all. I understand budget issues rather well. I have been out of work for well over a year without the benefit of unemployment, or anything else for that matter. What I find most disturbing though, is the fact that they had a very intriguing story here that was compelling, mysterious and interesting to watch, at first. I mean the writing was in top form. None of us would be here if this wasn’t true. What I am saying is, we know they had it at one particular time. Some episodes weren’t as good as others, sure, but thats in every television show thats ever been made. Or ever will be made. But I have to admit that season one and most of season two were pretty good. So I know these bastards had it in them to at least put out a half way decent episode. Being in the military for awhile, I would say every now and again. “Sometimes the worst thing you can do to a sailor is give him a stripe.” Meaning the fuckers head would swell so big you would wonder if it was going to pop. Usually this fucker wasn’t worth a shit untill he come down off his high horse. Others never did. Those were the ones I hated, and the reason for me not staying when my time was up. I say this because it looks exactly like what happened to the writers of this show. So everybody can blame who they want. I blame the writers for not coming down off their thrones and high pedestals, with their heads in the clouds, and their noses up each others asses so far that they was looking out his belly button. Well just how in the hell can you write when your head is still under the table? Thats my take on it anyways…..
Michael Said: “…the writers still made horrible choices which cannot be blamed on network demands. It was their decision to have the characters be totally unrelatable, have no goals or motives, and to introduce this flash sideways timeline that no one cares about.”
ITA. It was the characters that kept the story from being very good from the beginning. Poorly written, one-dimensional bores who never purposely did anything that was interesting enough to make a tv show about.
Of course that is a generalization and only about 96% true.
Yes, but don’t you feel the one-dimensional bores were the female cast members for the most part?
Some of the guys, like Locke, kept my interest up for awhile, but I thought Kate, Sun, and Claire were a waste of time, and I came to that conclusion pretty early in the series.
I liked Locke. He was my favorite.
Other characters, like Kate, have had quite a few episodes dedicated to events in their respective pasts, yet these episodes depict the same event over and over, as if only one event has molded these characters and their states of mind.
And what effect did Kate’s crime and arrest really have on her as far as character development on-island?
Answer: not much.
I think Kate was the most poorly-developed character by far.
The setup for Claire’s story hinted at an interesting character but, like many things, they only had the setup and not a real story for her.
Locke was the most interesting in season 1.
Hurley and Charlie irritated me (especially Charlie) but they seemed the most like real people, standing around, not really knowing what to do but willing to help when someone had an idea.
Micheal’s story got pretty repetitive but the character was ok.
Jin was more interesting than Sun.
Jack & Sawyer began to bore me by the end of episode 2.
WAAAAALT! was ok.
So yeah, the female characters got the short end of the stick, so-to-speak.
Yeah and Kates shrunken head should be on the end of a stick…..
Yeah, and I used the term “cast members” purposely instead of “characters”, because I am not sure which had the greater impact, their poor storylines or their poor acting that made their roles so dull.
At least in some episodes.
People will differ of course but for me it’s the storylines and “characters” at the top of the list.
Smallville. Just as hated in some quarters… But overall its quality has been consistent- to whatever standard it had in a person’s opinion- for a decade. It’s the most popular version of Superman by eyeball and sales measure since the 1950s.
And it is going out strong, or strong enough, after TEN SEASONS.
LOST couldn’t make it to ten seasons if you strapped golden hover ponies all over it and showered it with cocaine on an hourly basis.
Instead of having the slow death/love scene with Jin and Sun, they should have focused on the Lapidus and the submarine pilot as the sub sank. holding hands, smooching, speaking in other languages (pilot jargon that only pilots know).
ROMANTIC!!
then Lapidus would say, “i have a butt plug in my pocket and there’s still time”
BOOM
LOST
I only had the chance of watching (sh)it today, I skimmed over most of the comments, and unfortunately, you effing jerks basically said everything I wanted to.
Still, le noblesse oblige, so I guess I’ll give it a try.
First, in order to avoid spoiling the big “reveal” in the end of the episode, Widmore acted like a total buffoon : instead of telling them that Smoldie Lockes needs them dead dead dead in order to leave the island, but cannot kill them directly because of some ever-changing “rules”, he just tells them to take his word for it, which, of course, they didn’t.
Second, the writers prepared sort of an “explanation” as to why the Losties did not ask Locke to take over the sub, (because they wanted to abandon him), but still, Locke not suggesting it, should have been a serious red flag, I mean, Jack probably was thinking all the way to the sub about ways to prevent Locke from boarding it, so he should have been quite surprised when Locke didn’t even bring it up. Also, from Locke’s point of view, he should have prepared an excuse as to why he couldn’t enter the sub – like “they might have some anti-smoke gear there, so you go and take over the sub while I cover you”.
(BTW thank goodness Locke is white, or else pushing a black character to the water assuming he can’t swim… wait! Locke is actually men in BLACK and represented by the color BLACK… oh those racist writers!!!)
Third, is Locke really bad? Still not sure about that. Tell you why: when he promised Sayid to reunite him with Nadia, might he meant Sayid-B? Actually, if he is going to destroy the A-verse, what does it matter if he kills the candidates? And, like I said before, they themselves were ready to die (by the A-bomb) in order to change the timeline. So don’t buy him being bad just yet. I still maintain that either Smokey is the better one, or that he and Jacob are a duo of dueling douchbag deities.
Lastly, again, we see that the island can only stop explosions, (and from the fact that Sawyer bangs everything that moves, the island cannot stop ‘liquid explosions’). But, why putting a bomb in their bags is not trying to kill them? So what if they messed with it, he still planted it. Actually the island didn’t let some people commit suicide which is more than merely trying to defuse a bomb, so why did it let it explode?
Let’s recap: his plan was to plant a bomb (which is o.k. by the RULES) set it to explode in… (wait. when did he set it exactly and how did he know they’d be in the sub for the Kaboom? or did he use telekinesis again?), expect them to find the bomb, and then try to defuse it, and to die. Right.
Wouldn’t it have been simpler for him to convince some of the temple people to take out the Losties?
Or maybe the RULES say that you can only manipulate a candidate to kill a candidate? These RULES do seem to work in spurious ways.
I wish network TV had some RULES about not putting shit on the air.
“I wish network TV had some RULES about not putting shit on the air.”
Then network tv would not exist.
Wait a dog gone minute here. You can’t say “shit” on network television…..
“I still maintain that either Smokey is the better one, or that he and Jacob are a duo of dueling douchbag deities.”
Of course they’re both douchebag deities or demigods, but not in the eyes of morons. To the producers, Jacob is good, even though he brought people to the island against their will and manipulated people into killing others.
“I still maintain that either Smokey is the better one, or that he and Jacob are a duo of dueling douchbag deities.”
Of course they’re both douchebag deities or demigods, but not in the eyes of morons. To the producers, Jacob is good, even though he brought people to the island against their will and manipulated others into killing people.
So you didn’t think we got it the first time eh? It did work though. After reading it the second time I truely got it…..
“Every question I answer will simply lead to another question.”
hulu.com/watch/146850/lost-the-stranger
Jesus, Mary and Joe Cocker, the writers are just rubbing salt in our wounds now with this shit.
I’ll use that next time I’m in court
Are you there often? All I know is jail sucks even more than LO$T. Thats pretty hard to do here lately though…..
Went to court recently. Luckily as a witness and not a defendant.
I can’t see the video but I googled it and found it’s a quote from the upcoming episode.
Genius!
One thing I know for sure. If fucken Joe Cocker is gonna start singing, then I am gonna stand up and walk out. I damn sure aint one of his friends…..
i know I’m going to catch hell for this, but with all that I have said in the past on this site and others, i have changed my mind.
i watched it again last night and really think “the candidate” was the best episode yet – i really do. this has been the first time ever the plot has really advanced, and characters were even actually killed off! i posted my thoughts on dark ufo and had a lot of people agreed with me too.
i can’t wait for the 2-hour finale, and am convinced the writers will come through for us with all the answers we need.
this show is back and on track!
Not me.
Well I think it was the best one this season, and I sort of stated this. The dialog was more realistic (”There is no Sayid!”). There were some real twists (Widmore moved the pylons, MIB found bomb, tricked them into getting on sub). Characters finally died.
But it’s too little too late. If this episode had been in season 2 or 3, they could actually stretch it out and present a real war (to which they alluded to).
thanks for that. im really into this show again and can’t wait for next week! as i said, im back on Dark UFO posting my *as off and have many people agreeing with me, and that’s pretty cool.
The episode was the best SO FAR. It still had many of the same problems: gun cocking, plot holes, sob scene, Kate acting like an 11 year old girl with a crush on Jack.
MATT DUDE YOU ARE FUCKED. YOUR WELCOME.
YOU ARE POSTING YOUR ASS OFF ON DARK UFO?
WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR ASS?
PLEASE ADVISE
YOU MAY GO
HAVE A NICE DAY
Wow – I always knew it…
The characters dying was a complete ‘meh’ for me.
It’s lost its power now that so many characters have died and been seen in other forms/time lines, etc.
The first few times a character has died unexpectedly it was a jolt; repeat twenty times, it’s almost a joke.
Like I said, too little too late.
Most characters have been dead to me for 2 and a half seasons.
They already died inside.
So true!!! I feel the same way!!! Since the episode of The Constant with Desmond time travel crap!!!
I think it crossed the line for me in “The Economist”, when it turns out Sayid is working for Ben for spurious reasons, but am not entirely sure anymore. Locke throwing a knife at Naomi for nothing pissed me off too.
YES WE KNOW YOU ARE GAY
ENOUGH SAID
CARRY ON
Dark UFO sucks dude… what’s up wit you? You think the episode was good? Are you mentally deficient or like men or something?
Dark UFO not as bad as you guys think. i’m sharing a lot of good ideas there with people that really see how good the show is.
Ummm sure dude whatever you say, yep. YOU FUCKING BETTER GIVE US MATT BACK RIGHT NOW, OR ELSE YOUR REALLY GONNA GET IT DUDE…..
Ahhh he’s not a troll. We just have the same name i guess.
STILL no Smoke Monster morphing! Are they cutting back or something? The bomb explosion was so cheap! Man i hope Smokie destroys the Lost Universe/world, that would actually be a happy ending.
Why are they going so cheap on the special effects? Don’t they have shit loads of money?
Money and brains don’t necessarily go hand in hand. But, you know that.
My happy ending would be for Jack and Kate to get off of the island get married, and together take care Arron and Jin and Suns child (whatever the hell its name was) and live happily ever after. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, really this is how it should go. SmokinJohn finally kills all the candidates. Turns on Skidmores bunch flinging them into trees, throwing them so high in the sky you can just barely see them. Just to have them come back down screaming. You hear this AAAAAAHHHHH THUD. Now it is time to leave the island. He reaches the eastern coast of Japan. With the island no longer having control over him he is now allowed to fly over water in his true Smoke Monster self. Wreaking all kinds of havoc on Tokyo, killing everyone in his path. One big black smokin killing machine, getting stronger as he goes. He reaches into the bowels of the once great China, killing and more killing, devastating everything in his path. The armies of the world are called out to defeat this mighty beast. There is nothing they can do though, as the beast keeps growing and thrashing and trashing everything, EVERYTHING. He sweeps across the middle east and devours the whole of Europe and the U.K. leaving no life what so ever behind him. Only absolute destruction. He then screams across the Atlantic. Ships and subs firing profusely at the gigantic cloud. Just to have it swoop down and kill all that were aboard leaving the vessel to sail wildly in an uncanny manner of its own accord. Then it hits the eastern coast of North America leaving behind nothing but death and destuction. Oh the humanity of it all!!! Upon conquering all of Canada and the United States, it takes no time to completely devastate Mexico and Central America. After wipeing out all of South America and all the islands clear to Africa it then takes out Africa. Poor, poor, Africa, all that is left is blood and devastation. Now at this time, life as we know it, has been completely wiped off the entire planet. Now the flip side has no justifiable reason for existing, and just fizzles away like a bad dream. We see a lone man on the top of the highest peak on a plush green island, out in the middle of the great blue ocean. And for once in his life he is finally content. Fade to black…..
the lone man being the original form of Smokey? Does he hear the whispers, which are now audible on the entire world? And does the entire world “constantly” move through space and tiem now? Are there polar bears, jungles and boars on the entire planet?
Hey now this aint LO$T ya know, Oh, wait, yes it is. Well hmmm lets see now. AHEM!!! If it don’t directly affect the main characters then we don’t feel we have to answer anything…..
This is Demon…..
Wait, what, this aint LO$T. Oh yeah, yes it is. “OK, hmmm well.” (clears throat) “Ummm, we feel that if it does not concern the main characters, then Umm, a, we don’t have to answer the questions.” “Thank You”…..
This is Curse…..
It it doesnt concern the main characters. Then put it in the trash bin from the beginning.
Lost Sucks!
Ah and since the waving figure doesn’t concern the characters and is the only person left in the world, nothing need be answered, Thanks DemonCurse!
Why would you say he is waving? Who would he possibly be waving to, since he has killed everybody? I kind of think for some reason, that my ending is probably going to be better than the one they will give us. I havr this funny feeling that its going to be ridiculesly bad…..
Apparently the waving figure was a character shown in a web of character relations on a LOST dvd. search for “waving figure” on lostpedia.
I still think there should be an extended AAAAAAH THUD scene were smokie grabs Jack by his legs and alternates slamming him on his back and slamming him on face.
Hey that could be a video game!!! You run around scanning losties as Smokie. When you come across a Jack character, you get to pick him up and use him to kill as many losties as possible by swatting them in a certain amount of time…..
They could use the God of War engine, grab Kate and start spinning around and knocking out Jack, Sun, Jin, Claire, Charlie. Or use a massive ball and chain to smack Hurley in the face
U all mad?
u all every butties
GODDAMNFUCKENSONOFABITCHENDIRTYFUCKENROTTENASSCOCKSUCKENJESUSHFUCKENCHRISTENSUNOFASOWBUGSHIT. That was funny…..
to know if people are mad or not, just ask them if they like LOST or NOT? if they say Yes, then yes people are not only mad but, also stupid.
Ok, Sun has been a little annoying this season, but she is still a good person, a mother, a wife who came back to the island to look for her husband. Sawyer, on the other hand, is 1) a criminal/murderer 2) someone Jack has never liked 3) the person responsible for the bomb going off in the sub. So why did Jack chose to save Sawyer rather than help Jin save Sun?
Sun is a whore and a liar. But that’s besides the point. As I mentioned before, the writers use a bottom up approach:
-We need Sun and Jin to die together and alone we need excuses to get the rest of them out-> lets shoot Kate, and have Hurley take her out. Lets knock out Sawyer and have Jack take him out. Oh shit, Lepidus…fuck it, just kill him.
Sun is better off dead.
However, if she was a “candidate” she may still be alive… or Gin will be. Does anyone care any more?
As far as Lepidus goes, Lost pilots are a dime a dozen – *uck him.
Lepidus is another useless character on lost that it makes us believe that he knew what is going on and then after 2 seasons with him we learned that he doesn’t know shit, like Iliana, Miles, Ben, Richard, Naomi, Charlote, Faraday, Eloise, Wildmore, and I can stil name like 40 character more. It just keeps pissing me off this fucking show. It is so fucking lame this season in 14 episodes the only thing we learn that the whispers are dead people / ghost, Great for the fucking awesome explanation. Thank god this madness finish its in 4 episodes. I want to take a wild guess to this bullshit but, I think that the blond boy that stop Lock from killing because of the rules, I put some money that kid is Jacob somehow. This show is so retarded that I don’t doubt.
Youtube. Sneak peek for next episode.
Looks like new others. More others. Pre-others.
Alt-others
LOL this is too much, this sneak peak (youtube.com/watch?v=bnVAnzTHT9g) is essentially a collection of everything we think sucks about Lost
-New characters
-Religious undertones (overtones? is that the virgin Mary?)
-Invalidation of previous answers (”how did u get here?”, “the same way you got here, by accident”)
-A more arrogant version of “there’s no time for that”-> “Every question I answer will simply lead to another question”
Oh shit – “Every question you ask will simply lead to another question.” Stop asking questions for *uck sake we are trying to end the show already! WTF, we’ll just introduce more and more “others” then.
I’m starting to think the writers are just being “meta” now. It’s not like they couldn’t just refrain from writing questions if they’re not going to answer them.
A better show would just show the answer to the question at the appropriate time, not write the question into the dialogue then avoid answering it.
Despite whet we may think of them, the Lost writers are not compleat idiots. I think these lines might be one of their many winks to the fanbois and chat boards, not simple incompetence.
Doesn’t make it less annoying in my opinion, just may explain why this season is just full of these little moments.
It’s insulting actually. The assholes fell guilty to the “lowerstcommon denominator” thing and brought us down with it.
The finale will probably introduce alt-other-others and alt-Jacob and -Smokie
And the alt-jack’s son kills Smokey, that would be twisted!!! Take notes writters, here is your 2 and half finally!!!
h++p://io9.com/5529431/how-to-fake-being-an-expert-on-lost
I just discovered that by using the shitty Safari browser that came with my POS Mac; I can avoid the page break up I was encountering using the far superior Fire-Fox browser. That old addage about learning something new every day continues to hold true. Now I can keep bitching about this stupid show 7 days a week. Score one for the working man!
Great news dude!!! We always miss you after about 300 posts…..
I’m sure…
Awww, come on dude. You know we treasure your all knowing sarcasm and wit. We would be LO$T (I always use the dollar sign for the s but you really can’t tell) without it…..
I’m using Safari and it works just fine.
[I like Firefox better, but I use it for work stuff]
wait, you called Safari shitty, but it’s Firefox that doesn’t work. strike my last post.
Fire-Fox works better in every conceivable way except one. When a single page gets redonkulously long like these do it can’t handle it.
Safari increases the load time by a factor of 11,000
which is over 9,000.
mac = fisher-price my first computer.
Windows are shit from the moment you install them
Macs begin to fall apart after a year or two
Linux is the most stable processing system in the known universe, but it can’t so much as run a flash animation reliably.
It used to take forever to load with an older version of Firefox, once the page was too long, but it works fine now both in openSUSE and Windows. I also use Opera and Google Chrome.
I program a lot in Linux, and as long as you use the shell console it’s fine. Even using GUI text editors like GEdit is fine too. Video games are completely out of the question. And websites using flash take forever to load. YouTube and Break.com vids load only 50% of the time.
At the end of the day, it’s all about switching to run level 3 and using the console.
I bet they will do some of the “you didn’t see a body, so they’re not really dead” angles in the finale. I have a feeling they added the extra minutes to make up for the bad reactions they got in this episode. At this point I won’t be surprised if they somehow manage to make Jin somehow survive.
One of the ” Kwons” will escape from the “sub” and be alive because he/she is a candidate… it might be that whore Sun too.
Why shouldn’t she be given a second chance? Sure she violated the sanctity of her marriage, and sure she lied to her husband, and sure she tried to run away from her husband, and sure she tried to dru…
Remamber way back when she killed that other? I forget now who it was. That was probably her greatest contribution to the whole show…..
You mean Trixie? The ‘loopy cunt’ from Deadwood? She must have been so pissed when she read the script. To get gunned down by the ugliest chic on the whole show. Paula Malcomson is probably twice as good as any of the actors on Lost, except for the ones that were also with her on Deadwood (Kim Dickens,Titus Welliver,Robin Weigert,William Sanderson)
Yeah but loads of candidates have died so far, even though doom and gloom was announced if they did, for cheap suspense.
Yeah, whats up with that shit anyways. I remember Kelvin telling something like that to Dezzylu Who. Something about the failsafe. He said something like “you turn this, and all this won’t matter anymore.” Or something to that effect anyways. At least with not pushing the button something did at least happen. Now as for turning the failsafe and Dezzylu Who finding himself somewhere in the jungle without any clothes. Thats a whole nother story I guess. Another one of them things that they seem to have forgotten about…..
“The series finale has to fit the show,” explained Lindelof. “We’re trying to end ‘Lost’ in a way that feels ‘Lost’-ian and fair and will generate a tremendous amount of theorizing. We’re going to be as definitive as we can be and say this is our ending, but there’s no way to end the show where the fans aren’t going to say, ‘What did they mean by this?’ Which is why we’re not going to explain it.”
AKA we made this shit up as we went and we have no clue what the fuck it means.
Another Sopranos ending? How original…
The whole business about the finale, the extra time added on, etc is just more proof that these guys just made it up as they went along. Any fanboy that says they had it planned all along deserves a punch in his face.
“there’s no way to end the show where the fans aren’t going to say, ‘What did they mean by this?’ Which is why we’re not going to explain it.”
That’s the writer’s’ own fault! Instead of generously stating that they can’t do it, maybe an apology for causing such a desperate situation as well as admitting they never meant anything by this would be more appropriate!!!
‘Fredo – you broke my heart!”
They’re trying to cover their asses.
Yes, they are back peddling knowing the finale sucks and people will hate it.
Guys, what’s with all the hate for this show? The only reason I can see is because you’re taking it seriously. LOST is a comedy program, not a drama.
welcome aboard
One of the best.
Oh – thanks for he clarification…
i take this show very seriously because it is the best of all time, and getting better all the way to a fantastic finale. there is a lot of very cool and interesting things happening on the Island, and in the alt-LA world. can’t wait until Tuesday!
What…Seriously?
sure i’m serious – i make fun of it a lot because that’s everyone does here, but I just want to dance like a little girl when i think about how way cool it’s getting – really.
“I just want to dance like a little girl”
Matt – You’re a gay MOFO dude.
no. not seriously.
Ha!!! There you are. I knew it wasn’t you for the simple fact he left a word out.
He said:
i make fun of it a lot because that’s everyone does here
You would have never done that in a million years…..
I’ve gone back to watching Deadwood and the show is several orders of magnitude better than Lost
Did anyone here see the Soup Friday? (On E!) They had a segment where they compared L O S T to the new show “V”. Basically, the host (Joel McKale) sarcastically remarked the shows were in no way similar. He then went on to say Elizabeth Mitchell was a main character in both shows, and then started showing the clips. To recap, both shows:
-have mothers worried about “my son/my baby.”
-have a character say “don’t tell me what I can’t do.”
-mention “a war is coming.”
-dodge a question by alluding to a lack of time or importance
-have Juliet say “where’s Jack?”
-say you need “to lie to protect people”
-allude to characters having “destiny”
What we have is basically the visual proof these “mysterious” sci-fi Network shows can be broken down into formulas. Have mysterious events/questions that can never be discussed or answered because of external forces (lack of time, for instance). Have sappy relationship issues where a mom heroically searches/fights for her child. Use vague buzzwords such as “war” and “army” to imply a future conflict of epic proportion or “destiny” as a way to enhance excitement for unlimited possibilites which fizzle into untimely (and lame) death. Before commercial break and certainly before the episode ends, have a “dun-dun-dun” cliffhanger moment intended to keep the audience guessing. Have characters go on heat-packing missions (although they don’t know exactly why) which turn wrong and minor characters get killed for dramatic effect. Introduce deceit among characters who should be truthful allies to avoid answering logical questions. (Like Widmore not telling the Losties what he knows about Lockemonster or like Elizabeth Mitchell not telling her son his alien girlfriend wants to kill him).
Here you go…
Did anyone here see the Soup Friday? (On E!) They had a segment where they compared L O S T to the new show “V”. Basically, the host (Joel McKale) sarcastically remarked the shows were in no way similar. He then went on to say Elizabeth Mitchell was a main character in both shows, and then started showing the clips. To recap, both shows:
-have mothers worried about “my son/my baby.”
-have a character say “don’t tell me what I can’t do.”
-mention “a war is coming.”
-dodge a question by alluding to a lack of time or importance
-have Juliet say “where’s Jack?”
-say you need “to lie to protect people”
-allude to characters having “destiny”
What we have is basically the visual proof these “mysterious” sci-fi Network shows can be broken down into formulas. Have mysterious events/questions that can never be discussed or answered because of external forces (lack of time, for instance). Have sappy relationship issues where a mom heroically searches/fights for her child. Use vague buzzwords such as “war” and “army” to imply a future conflict of epic proportion or “destiny” as a way to enhance excitement for unlimited possibilites which fizzle into untimely (and lame) death. Before commercial break and certainly before the episode ends, have a “dun-dun-dun” cliffhanger moment intended to keep the audience guessing. Have characters go on heat-packing missions (although they don’t know exactly why) which turn wrong and minor characters get killed for dramatic effect. Introduce deceit among characters who should be truthful allies to avoid answering logical questions. (Like Widmore not telling the Losties what he knows about Lockemonster or like Elizabeth Mitchell not telling her son his alien girlfriend wants to kill him).
Here you go…
hxxp://www.buzzfeed.com/rebeccae/the-soup-lost-vs-v-nzp
I’m reporting you to the department of redundancy department.
as long as you report the writers as well…
All that sounds exactly like Flash Forward (fast forward).
It’s a true POS with all the “network” formulas, cliches, weak characters, and overly dramatic scenes and music. I know, I skim through it once in a while. I hope it gets canceled ASAP. In fact I hope Lost gets canceled before the finale…
Yeah, I can see it now.The network executives call Demon and Curse to the conferance room. They enter the room. Top exec. says. “Sit down I got some bad news for you.” They sit down. Curse asks. “Whats up big guy?” Top exec. says. “You guys are not going to believe this, but I am cancelling your show.” Demon and Curse in unison. “What?” “Why?” Top Exec. “Because your show sucks ass!!! And has for a long time now.” Demon says. “How can you say such a thing?” Top Exec. “Oh, come on now, that show isn’t worth the film its taped on, and you both know it!” Both Demon and Curse at this point are crying. One of them says. “But there are only two episodes and the finaly left and then it’s over.” Top Exec. says. “That may be what you think, but it’s over now!!!” The other one says. “How can you do this to us. We have worked hard on this.” Top Exec then tells them. “Another show has come up that is a hundred times better then this shit ever was. Now get your asses out of here right now or I’ll call security on you!” At this time they both are pleading and crying and screaming. “NO, you can’t do this to us!!! PLEASE!!!” By now security has been called and are entering the room. They see Demon and Curse on the floor in fetal positions kicking and screaming. They are crying at the top of their lungs. “NO!!!” “You can’t do this!!!” “NO!!!” As the security team drags them through the front doors and down the steps. One of them kicks Curse right sguare in the ass and says. “And don’t come back!!!”…..
You forgot the part where an angry mob hurls feces at the two while the police throw them in the paddy wagon.
I guess the sabotage of a multi-million dollar franchise could be taken as breach of contract, if not all out fraud. A third degree felony. They should be arrested and placed in shackles.
Yes, break out with the stocks…..
you are just going to have to trust me..
YOU ALL EVERYBODY…..
+++Questions will just lead to more questions+++
i’m getting sick of all of this negativity, and there is nothing wrong with this show. in fact, it’s simply amazing and you all know it. why are you people being so obtuse about the greatest TV show ever made? why don’t you try to write one yourself if you think it is so easy? the people at Dark UFO know better.
Hey Alt-Matt. Why don’t you just stay at dark ufo, whatever that is. Why are you here?
i have posted here for years. am I not allowed to change my mind? The show is right on target to have the greatest conclusion to a story in history, and will probably win an Emmy award.
Matt is hardcore. He would never change his mind on this subject. Unless he was in an alternate universe which is impossible therefore I accuse you of being an impostor!
Ha Ha!
Not only that he would never make the mistakes you make grammer wise!!! If you don’t like the negativity here then tear you ass back to Dark UFO. You have all ready stated that they love you over there. So be gone with your impostering dumbass. Oh yeah, one more thing. Tell them how we rubbed your nose in it, and sent you scampering off with your tail between your legs. They will show you much sympathy…..
I’m surprised we have not seen a torrent of trolls from the fan sites after Lindelof/Cuse cited this site.
Does seem kind of strange. I think it takes a little longer for things to actually set in with fanbois. I mean look they still think this shit of a show is a masterpiece. So once it does finally sink in we could be in for one hell of an infitration of the bastards. Like we aint never seen before…..
LOL. It will be a crusade
I will say this, Lost has opened my eyes as to exactly how shitty network TV is.
It’s too bad this has turned into a real fight between fans and haters. I used to think of this site as similar to Television Without Pity, which, to me, was mostly about being funny and make each other laugh. LOST is the most ridiculous and cheesy show I’ve ever watched. Since I am a couch potato who enjoys making fun of camp television (even when it doesn’t know it’s camp, like LOST), I have felt compelled to stick with this show until its completion. So, I LOVED reading all of the clever, funny posts from sophisticated television viewers.
Now, the nerdy, socially phobic fans have provoked the clever, funny people into real debate. Let’s just leave those dorks to their LOST fan fiction and masturbation fantasies, and make fun of this show and have fun with it!
“real debate”? The ‘fans’ all quit before it has even started!! I tried it more than one time, believe me
Ignorance is bliss. There just aint no arguing with that…..
I will NEVER, EVER say anything positive about Lost.
As if we didn’t know that already…..
it’s only when I’m on Dark UFO or Lost-forums that I can really express my true feelings about this awesome show. when I’m here it’s tough, because I feel under pressure to be cool and sarcastic about it when in my heart I know it’s great. sorry.
Hey look dude it’s OK. We understand your dilemma. It’s relatively simple what you need to do. First off what the problem is here, is that a demon has found its way inside of you. He has taken over you ability to think properly. So what you need to do is find a priest who can perform a simple exorcism to get that nasty little bugger outta you. These prirsts are not to hard to find if you go looking for one. So just ask around and you will find one. Come back and let us know how it went. Untill then, BYE…..
A check-up from the neck up would be appropriate.
Just a thought before I hit the sack. I just got done watching DEADLIEST CATCH. I like this show more and more everytime I watch it. And hey what do you know, it actually makes sense!!! I guess thats because it started somewhere else and ABC never got the chance to fuck it up. Because I am sure if they coulda, they woulda. I guess this next story is about Jokie and Smokie when they were kids. Oh boy I bet thats going to be a thriller. The way I see it, it just means more characters to give a shit less about. I would be willing to bet that thry are going to do it just like they did with the Richard episode. Take us way back, (Sherman set the wayback machine) then show us two thirds of the story. Then leave us hanging at the end wondering what the fuck we just saw, and where is the rest. Which they will never explain. I really have a funny feeling about the ending of this show too. Just like everything else, they hype it up a whole bunch just to let you down. And not very easy at that. I predict it’s going to suck so bad that people are going to talk about it for a long time to come. The thing about publicity is, even if it’s bad it’s still publicity. The whole thing is though, there are a lot of people that watch this show. Also, there are alot of crazy mother fuckers in this world. If it sucks to bad it will be very wise for all them asswipes to go into hiding. Because sure as shit some disgruntled crazy assed fanboy will come along and shoot there asses. I damb sure wouldn’t say I was affiliated with tis show for a long time after it ends. That is, providing they are that smart…..
“it just means more characters to give a shit less about”
I get it – the “modern writer” (Big Three morons and others) feel the need to introduce a multitude of characters, back stories, and history in order to keep the general viewing public interested /occupied.
Either they really believe this is good, or it is just the cool style of writing at the time – doesn’t matter. Kind of like loving the taste of a shit sandwich because everyone else does…
The actual result is complete ambivalence to all of the characters, and a total dilution of the primary story. We become overloaded with worthless BS – hence Lost…
I just pooped my pants.
Most Lost fans are of such low caliber.
Well. its no Gilligans Island…
What is the cranking sound – when the Lockemonster does the out of control destruction thing? Is the sound of a torture rack?”
Oh man, you just couldn’t help yourself could you? You know that is my sore spot and you had to go and touch it. That it would bring me out of hiding in attack mode. DIDN’T YOU?!?!?!? Oh, ah yeah, sorry I guess you woke me up on the wrong side of the labyrinth there. Well before they decided to change something that didn’t need changing. I believe they said the clicking sound came from a New York taxi cab meter. Maybe even the werrr weeerrrrr sound but I’m not to sure on that one though…..
Gosh darn it! What is that sound?
OK, what it is, is a wedding prosession. You know with tin cans and things all tied to the back of the bride and grooms car…..
OK I give up – yes that’s it…
To much. Dude you are funnier than hell…..
Just finished watching Season 3 of Deadwood. I’m guessing the Lost finale will be just a s big a cliffhanger.
Well they just ended Deadwood mid-story. It was a disaster. There are a lot of different stories on how it happened. Both the writer and HBO blamed each other for the huge debacle.
Granted I haven’t looked into it too much, but I can’t find anything on it. All I find is that they wanted to make 2 2hour movies, but that doesn’t explain what happened to the show.
The thing about HBO shows is that they are a little too sophisticated (”a thinking man’s show”…) so most ppl don’t watch it. But the show’s are extremely expensive. Look at Rome. That show was essentially one season long, with a spinoff season featuring blood and guts. The show ended up being too expensive. I suspect it was the same with Deadwood, b/c of the sets, the costumes, and the AMAZING actors.
It’s sad that the HBO shows that do survive, although not bad, are the ones engaged in either total violence, ie. Sopranos, or about sex and fame, ie. Entourage.
The proposed 2 hr. special was a compromise to the outcry that came about after it was abruptly shut down. But, HBO took too long to get it together and all of the great actors had moved on to other gigs.
HBO said the writer wanted to do the “Cincinnati” series immediately, which failed the first season. The writer said HBO would only give him too few episodes to finish Deadwood, so he bailed. Who knows…
I think I’ll re-watch it.
Wait a sec, If Faraday is still alive in the new reality as Widmores gardner then he never did any of the Time Travel stuff. If he still has to get killed in the 1950’s then he has to travel thru time. But if he doesnt get shot by his Mother he would be the same person but an old man. No wait, The Island was time travelling and Faraday just went along for the ride. but for there to be a fifty year old nuke to explode at some point Faraday had to explain it to them, but Faraday has become a lesbian. Really all F-Gay has to do is set off the bomb again and everyone will be in their happy place once again. Unless of course in the new reality none of the old reality happened. This has serious shades of “The Devils Advocate” to it. Al Pacino as Satan wants Keeanu Reeves soul, and thats craaaaaaazy man……
This better be the last time you compare The Devil’s Advocate to Lost.
Everytime I type ‘Keanu Reeves” I break out in a rash…
Aw the Oscar worthy movies Keanoua Reyvezs has done (get an easier name moron):
-Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure
-Parenthood
-Johnny Mnemonic
-Chain Reaction
-The Replacements
-The Matrix 2&3
From what I understand Allison Janney plays mother earth next episode (Locke’s crazy mother?)
I think the ending will be with Jacob dressed as a hippie and the Slockinator as a CEO and they are going to have the next dialogue
J: Hey MAAAN, why do you destroy, Maan? why do you want to poke inside mother earth’s womb and cause destruction? It’s not COOL MAAAN.
S: Hahahah, go away Jippie, I have a meeting at 4 p.m about cutting a million square feet of the Amazonian jungle and building a golf course for white people only!!!
J: NOOOO, MAAAN!!! what about the indigenous people?? they have a lot of ancient knowledge that will be lost, like how to make sandals for four toed people!!!
S: hahaha, don’t worry I’ll have some of those mulatto sluts serve me drinks on the golf course, and then suck my evil dick while I play with the head of the Illuminati and Lucifer.
J: You are so unenlightened, brother. I am pacifist, white as the driven snow, but you an evil western capitalist, you are all dark inside. I’ll keep you here forever. SHEESH MAAAN.
S: hahahah, you cannot hold me here. and when I escape I’ll drill for oil and cause a lot of natural disasters to make my shareholders happy!! oh I’ll drill for that oil like I’ll drill those negro sluts with my humongous dick. hahaha
J: SHEESH. you westerners think that you’ve tamed earth. but mother earth will stop you. you don’t know her power.
S: hahaha, tell that slut that I piss on her. You think you had global warming before?! I’ll make it much worse, by polluting everything, after all I AM A BLACK SMOKE!!! You know what? Today, I’m going to make 20 species extinct just for fun!
(mother earth enters)
ME : oh, you evil western corporate devil. I cannot stand aside and let you destroy my creation. Here (pushes his head towards her crotch) Smell an organ that hasn’t been washed for millenia, take a whiff of all the dirt and soil and blood and sweat of eons!!! smell the pussy of mother earth!!!
S: ohhhh, Noooo (dies)
J: He was uncool and now he’s dead. sheesh. the good guys won.
BOOM
LOST
Messing with the Illuminati and Satan both at the same time eh? You definitely like living life a bit dangerously…..
Actually it is going to be Bill Clinton and George Bush arguing if it is morally acceptable to yell “Blow Job” in a crowded Firehouse…
‘Bathhouse’.
Sorry I missed out but usual great dramatic effect but NO ANSWERS! So they killed dead weight that should have died seasons ago. What I thought was even better than the episode was the Entertainment Weekly article all about Lost this week. Brought back good memories but no mention of Nikki and Paolo. Bummer.
CPT Preevyet in school and getting his ass kicked
So they’re going to explain the Adam and Eve thing. It might have been cool to know four or five years ago. Now though it doesn’t make a whole hell of a lot of difference. It’s probably Smokie and Jacob. Or Locke and Jackass. Who knows? Who cares? The thing is it doesn’t matter. The flight of Oceanic 815 never took off from Sydney, bacause there is no airline that goes by that name. There is no mysterious magical island with a smoke monster. No Hanso foundation or Dharma Initiative. No others, other others, or even other other other others for that matter. There is no such thing as time travel. If man were to build a time machine today, the best you could get out of it, would be in the future you could come back as far as today. There are no timelines to get all tangled up in blue. So lets leave it alone, because we can’t see eye to eye. There aint no good guys. There aint no bad guys. There’s only you and me and we just disagree…..
“Who knows? Who cares?”
-My sentiments exactly
yeah i never cared.
So is Matt is a fanboi, or is a fanboi impersonating Matt? It seems like there are 2 Matts
It seems that Matt either has a impersonator troll, or is trolling himself. I really doubt the latter, because our Matt pays strict attention to detail and spelling. Where imposter Matt doesn’t…..
Okay. There are two Matts. I’m the Lost-hater. I’ve posted since Season 3. You can read all my posts in the archives.
There is another Matt, who is a troll, who has started posting this episode. He claims to be me, yet his views are not ever consistent with mine, so it’s easy to tell.
Problem solved.
I’m pretty sure the “Lost-lover Matt” is our old “Lost-lover Infected”.
Hey dingus, I told you they are the man in black and his mother. Discussion is over.
Hey, thats Dingus McGee dammit!!! As for it being who you think it is. You sure could be right…..
Holy shit, I just watched Evangeline Lilly on Letterman’s show. This bitch has no personality what so ever. I mean she is as dry as a ninty year old tit. Something else she just does not have. Now it may be that I prefer cinnamon girls, but I just don’t find her attractive at all. When she does say something it just comes out goofy as hell. I don’t mean silly goofy. I mean stupid goofy. I can’t really see how she got the part in the first place. She was single at the time though, so maybe she has got some real good suction. Or maybe I should say sucktion…..
If you watch her audition tape she is actually amazing. I am not sure what transpired in the period between her audition and her casting.
I’d still bang her like a gong.
I would give her a bath and wash her breasts and naughty bits and later I would say, “Get in the kitchen and make some fucking coffee. You do know how to make coffee don’t you?”…
I’m speechless
“Even though Deadwood was based on real events, and didn’t have any science fiction elements like LOST, both shows shared a dedication to excellence in writing and acting, and using a large ensemble cast to tell a complex mosaic of stories of intrigue and reflection on the human condition”
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EVIL PUKSTER
HELLO
So let me get this straight you are saying that LO$T is a show dedicated to excellence in writing and acting, and using a large ensemble cast to tell a complex mosaic of stories of intrigue and reflection on the human condition. WOW!!! I am not sure just how to respond to this. Are you sure that we are watching the same show? Now LO$T may have started out something similar to what you say. That is before it became inane, contrived and so convoluted that it made absolutely no sense what so ever…..
“Tonight’s episode, “Across the Sea,” focuses on Jacob and the Man In Black. When were these guys first conceived?
Lindelof: We had to start talking about the overall mythology of the island in greater detail in the cracks between the first and second seasons, before our characters went down into the hatch. That conversation basically kicked out into the other major arc of the second season. Which was: Who are the Others? Who are these other people on the island, and who was their leader? And who was he receiving his instructions from? By the time the show got into its third season, we started to hear references to this character, Jacob. And I think it’s safe to say that those conversations started then.”
source: hXXp://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/lost_showrunners_damon_lindelo.html
and that’s why seasons 1 and 2 were so good. Jacob and MIB didn’t exist.
Which goes to show that the smoke monster was always just the smoke monster. the smoke monster was not MIB in seasons 1 and 2 because MIB was not even a thought in the writers’ minds.
MIB probably didn’t even exist in until season 5. “but we need him to have been here all along. let’s say he was the smoke monster!” problem solved.
retcon and deus ex m. that’s what i call good writing.
Then that means the show was never good.
If the third act sucks (which it does), then everything that came before it was for naught.
Lost apparently was never about making a “good” show, only about making an “addictive product.”
And to think they banned cigarette and hard liquor ads….
But they keep pushing that one scene in the first episode where Locke is talking about the white and black chess pieces. They are trying to say “see where were talking about Jacob and MIB all along!” But we know that is all total BS and a coincidence that they are trying to go back and use now.
First, it was Ben vs WIdmore. Now, it’s Jacob vs MIB. I wonder who’s above them? Who will the writers introduce in the series finale. Who will be the real main characters? We haven’t even met them yet I’m sure.
I have said this same thing before. It just seems that if there are rules that you have to go by, then there must be someone, not only to make them, but also to enforce them as well. If there is nobody to do this, then it would make absolutely no sense to have to abide by them. So in turn only the laws of nature would apply. But then again with this show It seems that they don’t apply either, and in turn the show makes no sense…..
This is the next JJ Abrams movie. Boycott it!
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You know, Pawn Stars is actually a great show.
They’ve been ripping off elements of Stephen King’s Dark Tower series since season 1but I never imagined they’d ever be so unimaginative to come up with a last-minute character called the Man in Black.
I’m sure a mysterious new man named Roland will drop on the island tonight, six-guns cockin’, to start setting things right.
at this point I will be satisfied if they just don’t bring anyone back to life…
They really need to give back any Emmys or other awards this show has ever won.
Maybe not the actors, but certainly if a season of a show cannot stand on its own as a work of art, then it does not deserve an award.
Come on guys, cheer up. I see the problem here as not being able to admit that the show is actually getting really good near the end, because we have been ridiculing it for so long. It now rocks and is heading towards a fantastic finish!
Hi doppelganger.
This is crazy, I’m not that other clone troll. I really mean it, the show is starting to rock. The great writers have really put it all together heading towards the grand climax!
I see you haven’t found that priest yet. Don’t be scared. A simple exorcism is a very easy thing to have performed, at just a small cost. Even free sometimes. Now you need to get this done as quickly as possible. It could fester and grow and don’t nobody want to see that happen So run little fanboy run and get that ole demon out of you before its to late…..
This is like that episode of Star Trek where I can’t figure out which one is the evil Capt. Kirk so I don’t know which one to shoot.
I do want to shoot someone though.
Did anyone else bust out laughing when Hurley washed up on the beach and started bawling when he found out Sun and Jin were dead? I mean, people please. Hurley the whale beached and blubbering like baby huey.
Mind you, I was already holding my sides with mirth right after the hapless group in the submarine realized they had been played for fools and manipulated into doing something someone wanted them to do for the umpteeth time.