The end!
Thats all folks. It’s been real. Our crazy sad journey is over. Good night and good luck.
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First! Finally!!!
god damn there’s a lot of fuckin commercials. no wonder why it’s 2.5 hours long. i wonder how much they’re making in ad revenue
I completely agree!
as posted at the bottom of the thread, the finale made ABC 81,000,000 dollars cold hard cash.
Only little bitches claim first.
I used to love Lost, now I hate it. WTF kind of series finale was that!!??
this end is the most stupid end in the world
I am already crying
How does the show end? THERE’S NO TIME TO EXPLAIN!
So?
It went out NOT AT ALL like it came in. Wonder fucking full.
Wizard!
Crap shit poop, and then some.
Ok, can I have some spoil plz? I’m from France, and we have to wait 2 weeks (or more coz Lost got poor ratting here).
NO
Seriously, it’s 75% Lifetime Movie of the Week. Lots of soft-focus, soft-light reunions. Total shit.
On the plot side, Jack and Flocke lowered Des into the glory hole. Des waded to the center of the lighted underwater pond, moved a rock, lots of special fx, the golden light turned red. Jack and Flocke then got into a fistfight—turns out that Flocke can now be killed (maybe) because he got a bloody lip from the fight.
Holy fuck! They are still seriously going to try to fly the plane out! In the middle of a huge thunderstorm! The pilot dude is there because he was rescued from the sub wreck.
The island is apparently disintegrating because of the glory hole switch from gold to red. Looks just like that 3rd Star Trek movie where the whole planet is blowing up.
Flocke and Jack in another fistfight while island self-destructs. Claire had her baby (yawn) in alt-verse. This is all an hour 15 in.
Locke stabs Jack! Yes! Kate shoots Flocke in the back. Jack kicks Locke over a cliff. Looks dead, but this is Lost.
Moving to the bottom of the thread.
We’re off to a mind-blowing start. We got ourselves a slow-motion melodic montage already.
I’m floating on air…
Jesus, and on top of all that I am getting it lagged. For FUCKS sake.
Northern Ohio here – same thing…
Here come some jungle treks.
Gun-cocks too?
Jungle treks are the only thing that can save this show….
The entire episode was one massive jungle trek. And there were so many gun cocks. It was a 2 hour jungle cock.
That’s what she said …
Who said?
Michael (aka Token’s) wife.
Then she left his ass so he could drift along all fucked-up and become a ghost on the island for … like … forever. Did you notice that there are no Black guys heading into the light? Where’s Echo? I guess if you’re born again you’re cool if George Bush is King of the new age glowing white light room. Cuz everyone knows that George Bush hates black people.
Namas-kiyay, motherfuckers!
I’m blown away so far… how idiotic.
It was mind numbingly dumb.
I guess the first half is just going to be devoted to rounding everyone up
Sigh.
HOLY FUCK VINCENT… and ROSE.. and.. and.. awww crap.
vincent, rose and bernard – who didn’t see this coming
Boring bull shit as usual.
Except for the fact that they should be deadish? They were what, 50 when they were left in 1974? So now, it’s at least thirty years later, and they’ve gone all Alpert.
Yeah, but didn’t they jump as well? So it’s only been 3 years for them too…
Now it’s her Juliette, what a crock.
As IF they wouldn’t give fanservice / play to the base with the Vincent fans after all the tiresome shit all over the Fuselage. Yeah, that’s worth derailing the final shreds of story for. FFS.
How often can Charlie die? Some would say, not often enough…
Why didn’t MIB brutally murder Rose? Does anyone not hate her?
I like Rose.
Saw John Terry’s name on the credits, sweet.
FLASH GORDON.. uhh.. ALPERT’S ALIIIVE!
Richard Alpert: the Captain Scarlet of the LOSTverse.
FFS that plane ain’t going anywhere!!
Until Smocke hurls it into the air, it timewarps, and then Oceanic 815 lands in LA, and the whole show never happened…
…OR DID IT?
BOOM
HA HA this is so bad…
I thought we already had a 2 hour recap show earlier?
Ya, didn’t we already see this?
I thought this was a good rerun.
More like a “re-crap”
So far, so boring. More alt-time line shit that I could care less about, and could have been summed up in two episodes. F’N RIDICULOUSLY SLOW “story” progression.
Because this “shakespearian”, “epic”, “revolutionary” and so forth.
ALT time was done best by Seinfeld, in one simple episode. “Me love you guys”. The end.
Revolutionary TV- Hill Street Blues first few seasons, hell the Andy Griffiths Show back in the stone age.
Shakespearian- um no. Only if you don’t understand Shakespeare AT ALL.
Also, forgot the hokey Hurley Star Wars references, snd half the air-time being commercials. Great way to end it guys!
Wait, so Jin and Sun saw themselves die???
plot hole!
Stop… Thinking… No good can come of thinking…
What?!?!?!
I wonder if Jin saw the part where Sun had an affair with Mr. Clean.
I’ll tell you the biggest problem with this whole season: no Tyler! Not even one recap!
Can someone pls describe whats going on in part 1?
Hurley is eating everyone else.
HAHAH! That would have been a better ending.
nothing
Accurate description
yes right It was totally piece of shit…
Lapidus is alive!! Surprise to no one with two functioning brain cells.
Wow…brilliant thinking for the retarded Darlton!
“You’re sort of the obvious choice, don’t you think?”
BWAHAHAHAHA..
I’m going to kill you at the island’s vagina.
How’re you going to do that, Jack?
It’s a surprise.
(If someone said they were going to kill you in Cleveland, would you go with them, just to appease your curiosity? Moronic.)
WTF was that? He just said he’s going to kill him and they are just going along on their little trek
Why didn’t MIB kill Jack? or the others? I feel like the whole world is eating stupid pills.
Why kill him at the place you’ve sworn to defend instaed of killing him right then and there?????
Brian…hurts….
Oh. Desmond. Right.
And long con, the name of an episode. Cute in a fucking stupid way.
Doctor…doctor….it’s a Spies Like Us moment.
Ok, the thing I noticed in Tuesday nights episode was when Zoe got back Charles gave Ben the walky-talkys. Ben had a little time while Smokie was doing his thing with Richard. Miles had already beat feet the hell out of there. Remember now, we are at Bens old house. Ben figures a way to keep the mike keyed on the squaky, maybe with tape, or even string. While Locke And Ben are talking about Dezzylu Who, Miles is listening on the other end, quickly runs off to get him out of the well. We know Sayid did not pull him out when he was there, or else he would not have told Jackass that he was there. Jackass & Co, were busy with the Jacob thing of pinning the tail on the new Jackass. Now Miles and dezzylu meet up with Jackass & Co. They all head for the glory hole of light. Locke and Ben realizing that Dezzylu is no longer in the well, head for the glory hole of light too. On the flip side (B-verse) Jackass and Claire are making out. NO!!! I mean getting ready to go to the concert. Kate with Dezzylu puts on her new dress. Hurley and Sayid are ready too. Jackass looking in the mirror notices that his neck is bleeding again, but doesn’t have time to worry about that right now. The concert is being held at the museum that Chang runs. the event is sponsered by the Widmore Construction Company. Alex has been invited and calls Ben asking if he would escort her and her mother to the concert, and Ben says he would love to. The Widmores ask Penny if she would like to join them and with nothing better to do agrees. Of course Daniel will be attending with them too. Miles will stop and pick up Charlotte. Back on the island Jackass & Co. have reached the glory hole of light. Wondering what they are going to do. Dezzylu says that he is going in. On the flip side everyone is starting to show up at the concert. David and his mother, Botox show up a little early so David can have a little time to shake off his jitters. Dezzylu stopped off to pick up Charley on their way. Everybody is starting to converge on the scene when Miles spots Dezzylu and Kate so he immediatly gets on the phone to Sawyer telling him he needs to get his ass down here so he has some back-up. Back on the island Locke and Ben finally find the glory hole and find Jackass & Co. there. Locke asks Jackass where Dezzylu is and Jackass tells him that he went in the hole already. This pisses Locke off and he proceeds to slit Jackasses throat. Locke couldn’t kill Jacob because of the mother thing. Even though Jackass became the protector those rules didn’t apply to him and Jackass falls to the ground with one final eeeyyyaaaaa and is dead. Hey its my story I can tell it how I want to!!! Jackass is dead so get over it. Kate starts screaming and crying and Locke slits her throat as well. He looks at the others and asks if they have anything to say and they are shaking their heads no. Locke goes into the glory hole after Dezzylu. On the flip side everyone has made it to the museum except Sawyer. Miles is trying to lay low to not be seen by the Dezzylu criminal element. Getting very nervous waiting for Sawyer. The concert begins. In the glory hole Dezzylu finding he can jump through time at will. He discovers that the bomb did not go off when Botox hit it with the rock. It was actually a flash that Jacob had willed sending them to the present time to reunite everybody again. He hears a noise and sees Locke comming. His mind is racing wondering what to do. Locke is saying what are you doing Dezzylu Who. On the flip side the concert is winding down to come to a close. The very tense and aggravated Miles is whispering harshly into the cell phone “where the hell are you, it’s about over.” Back in the glory hole Lock is starting to get close so Dezzylu jumps into 1977 where Botox is hittin the bomb with the rock. He grabs the bomb and just as Locke is bringing the sword around to cut Dezzylu’s head off. The bomb detonates. The force of the bomb with all the electromagnetic energy sinks the island…BOOM…Everybodys dead, the monster snuffed. Meanwhile back on the flip side just as the concert ends and everybody is about to start clapping. Sawyer busts in and fires a shot into the ceiling everybody gets this crazy eerie feeling about them as they look around and feeling the sensations of knowing each orher and the island. A few moments pass the feeling passes to. Numerous police officers enter grabbing Kate, Sayid, Dezzylu Who and Hurley handcuffing them and escorting them out of the building. Credits roll, sad song starts to play. The biggest suckfest in the history of the world is finally over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!……….BOOM……….LO$T……….
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the guy who wrote this was… right?
Oh Shit!
Is that really what happened in part 1??
Some of it was spot on. The rest of it was infinitely better.
Thanks Puckster that means a lot to me….
So Jack gonna kill Smockely DoWrong, jump in a refrigerator, and escape the self-destructing alien spaceship? Also wolfman.
I gotta admit, I’m loving these Target commercials with the Lost tie-ins.
Yeah it’s like the Super Bowl ads. Bravo Target.
So far the best part of the finale has been a Target commercial….
Smokie buying stuff…
Here we go with the rules
Holy shit. You know what this means… Nikki and Paolo are coming back too.
Razzle Dazzle!
LOL
Expose. It was TOTALLY planned that way. Despite the fact they admitted that they made up filler, before ABC imposed a definite ending on them. Oh, you didn’t actually believe that THEY imposed the ending deadline did you? This show is horribly expensive to make.
they accidentally ran the commercials too long here. it chopped off the beginning of jack and juliet in the hospital. are they married?
Yeah they’re married
Married, they are.
That fucking nimrod, Jack’s son.
Bravo.
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Yeah, we don’t really have room for trolls coming in to insult fans tonight. Moving on.
-Fuselage.
Assholes.
Can I pay first and then insult them?
Assuming some people don’t already have paid accounts? It’s only $25 for a year.
don’t worry we can troll that place hard once it opens up
You better believe it.
Also not all of it is trolling. Truth telling does not equal trolling. Sometimes.
I tried to troll them but my account is locked.
Rat Boy Dan is here!
HAHAHA desmond took the cork out!
At first, I thought it was an orb.
The guy meant to die in the pilot and the guy they kept because they liked him are absolutely pivotal to the final arc.
PROOF it was all planned.
I love how they tied the whole bamboo area scene to the one guy that was supposed to die in the pilot
Is this for real – WTF?
I can’t believe my lying eyes for fuck sake. This is like a cheap cartoon.
It looked like a butt plug
LOL, that’s exactly what I thought when I saw it!
LMAO…a big cork. Really?
I wonder if the island has a label on it too
Don’t worry, all you have to do is reinsert the cork and crisis averted.
oh no please not another birth scene
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha this is pure playing to the base!
zero real plot!
classic.
I liked how Kate didn’t even attempt to get a doctor.
Just how many goddamned times is Kate going to deliver that dead kid…..
I think they’ve delivered more babies on this show than in ER (but then again you wouldn’t generally deliver in the emergency room…
ELOISE is CLAUDIA?
Someone predicted that right here two days ago. Or was it the Fuselage. I forget.
Basically LOST uses a principle of conservation of characters due to lacking real creativity. Therefore it’s entirely possible that everyone was someone else.
Also we can see the ghost of an earlier script rewrite- with Eloise and someone- Widmore? Ben? As Adam and Eve. But that isn’t the way it went.
Dumbest fucking concert I’ve ever seen. Farragay playing classical piano backed by Driveshaft. Totally retarded.
When FanFiction attacks.
At least they didn’t do “You All Everybody”…
This is the first thing that didn’t make sense in this show…..bwaaaaahahahahahah.
Who’s claudia? I fast forwarded most of the episode.
@ Pukster
Claudia was Smokie’s and Jacob’s birth mom, who was a survivor of a shipwreck in ancient times. It was in the episode Across the Sea.
It’s amazing how in everyone of these “Wow, I remember” flashbacks, everyone sees things in third person. Whenever I remember something, I usually see it in first person perspective.
not me…I remember in 2nd person.
I am a “Choose Your Own Adventure” book.
I was a fool to think we wouldn’t have to endure another birth scene in this series……
I liked their use of tears to portray drama and an inherent desire to avoid answers.
Uhh….if you were at a party and someone was having a baby, wouldn’t you call 911…or would you, a felon on the run, deliver it yourself?
Gay.
I really appreciate you using that word in the correct context. Gay is obviously a synonym for stupid.
You think Darlton didn’t get her to do the logical thing because
a) They want to retain as much time for the sob scenes
b) They thought most of their viewers are fanbois anyways
c) They are genuinely retarded.
It’s kinda like Flash Forward (R.I.P)…have a flashback and then say, “What did you see?”
The reason why they canceled Flash Forward:
It wasn’t canceled. They all died and it does not matter!
Please fucking kick me in the head for crying out loud… back-stage baby…
How appropriate that a thunderstorm is approaching my location just now……
Any chance you are in Minnesota?
it’s the truth.
What brand of Walkie Talkies are these? They have a hell of a range. That other island has to be at least ….hold up…where the fuck did they get a blow torch to weld the window shut???
He’s soldering…in the rain.
In.
The.
Rain.
hahahahahaha!
If this was a JJ Abrams movie that scene would have been funny. But it’s not. So it isn’t.
Also it would have that guy in it he always casts. You know the one, he’s in every thing JJ Abrams does. Skinny guy…
Just remembered his name.
Jennifer Garner.
Oops, I meant Jim Abrams, as in Airplane!
JETS… SHARKS…
a tree of that weight falls on Ben and he’s still alive and relatively fine.
I wonder where they found a blow torch from all of a sudden
From the magic backpacks, duh. Right next to the surgical equipment, C4, and endless ammo.
LOST is a video game, and they just alt-shift-typed “GOD MODE”.
ADKFA actually
LOL too bad Smokie didn’t go on a killing spree:
FIRST BLOOOD
DOUBLE KILL
MULTI KILL
M-M-MONSTER KILL
Once the light of the island went out–you know, the light that’s inside all living things–the tree lost it’s killing power.
Dharma blow torch. Nuff said. Richard built a lot of skyscrapers back in Spain in the early 1860s.
When does the finale start?
Clash of the Titans!
Why does the gun work on Smokie now?
I was wondering the same
why do fools fall in love?
Why didn’t smokie bash jack’s head in with a rock? How did Jack manage to follow him? Can you track in a thunderstorm/apocalypse?
I was really expecting that ol’ Smokey would follow in fake-mom’s footsteps and bash Jack’s brains in with that rock. Poor stupid bastard. All he ever wanted to do is leave that fucking island and now, with the island uncorked, he’s human again. So he’s of no threat to humanity. At least not super-human threat. So what Jack and Kate did was MURDER not a powerful demon, but a human being who showed both of them mercy! Heartless vigilantly, bastards. (He did cause a lot of there friends to die, so I’m sure they felt justified. Live by the sword, die by the sword …)
That’s what I was thinking. The only saving grace would have been if Jack forgave him and let him go. But no, it’s Jack so he has to repeatedly punch the nearest person in the face.
Well since it turns out that Jack was Jesus, all the face punching was only meant to exorcise the devils and save the persons soul.
Yes, we know he can walk…
Doctor Strangelove moment.
HAHA Doctor Strangelove’s arm would go out of control on him.
Sieg Heil!
Sooooo Jack gets a cut on the neck but not a gaping hole in his abdomen?
I noticed this idiocy too.
I didn’t notice that, I was too busy dwelling over that butt plug in the cave.
Just as Darlton’s lord and savior Jesus Christ, Jack got stabbed in the side. Then he suffered and died taking one for the human team. Just like … you guessed it … Jesus Christ. Then, at the end, the editing quick-cuts from Jack to the statue out side the white-lite-portal of … well, you get the idea. Unlike team Darlton, I feel no need to beat you over the head with it. Jesus’s sweaty balls this show sucks!
He has a scar in his abdomen. He asks his mother about it in an earlier episode.
that scar was from his appendix not smokeys knife
I have to say, however I feel about the quality of the storytelling over the last 3 years, or how the writers managed the themes of the show, the finale is engaging.
Agreed.
Agreed
as a hole in the head…
Engaging like a car crash is engaging.
Engaging like getting engaged to Matthew Fox
Watchable, but only just. I felt a certain degree of curiosity like watching a fish on a dock, drowning in air. This show struggled at the end to break the shackles of bad scripts and mediocre acting. It aspired to be something memorable, but then, like that fish, it just died for lack of oxygen. The death throws lasted a couple of seasons and it completely expired a few episodes ago. Since then, it has really started to smell–like only a rotting fish can smell. Last night, was the long delayed wake. Today, we bury it. Good riddance to bad rubbish!
Frodo:
I wish the ring had never come to me.
I wish this had never happened.
Gandalf:
So do all men who live to see such times,but that is not for you to decide
All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given you.
So all of a sudden it stopped raining.
Seriously. From darkness gloom and final days it’s now another sunny day in Hawaii.
Neither Sun nor Jin have accents anymore. They had them on the island.
Haven’t you heard? In the non-living Bardo, everyone speaks perfect American English! We’re talking about the pure realm here and America is the land of purity.
Imagine the climactic impact of the final battle… if it had happened three years ago.
How the hell did they get Ben from under the tree.
Seconded. Bet they pulled a hydraulic pump outta the magic backpack. Was right next to the propane torch.
Yoda showed Jack how to levitate the tree.
That doesn’t matter anymore.
I mean why even build it up for five minutes as a nearly insurmountable task when they don’t actually show the viewer how they surmount it? Goes well with the theme of the whole series though.
They didn’t show this? I just figured I fast forwarded over this scene
Nope. Just another mystery.
Apparently if they can get the hydraulics working they can fly the plane. [/massive eye roll]
OMG!!! Jack and Kate kiss!!! This is what I’ve been waiting for!!!
Wow. He’s eating her head.
They shoulda gone with the Han and Leia:
“I love you.”
“I know.”
ALready used it I believe.
I too came.
I’m interested to know how they will:
A)Turn the plane around so that it can fly the other direction
B)Pave the ground so that the plane can take off
C)Refuel so that they can actually make it to another airport
D)Remember the EXACT bearing they need to head to get out of the vacinity of the island
E)Know which way to go once they escape the island since it’s moved quite a bit through time and space.
Ooh. What about clearing the engines of the massive sand and tree infestation?
And it looks like it’s in a pretty good puddle of mud.
Hope those are ATV tires.
Until Smocke hurls it into the air, it timewarps, and then Oceanic 815 lands in LA, and the whole show never happened…
…OR DID IT?
BOOM
I type that earlier in this thread and sweet jesus prison showering christ damn me if it isn’t going to happen.
Well all the female and homosexual male fans are now happy that Kate and Jack professed their love for each other
Especially the homosexuals
now Sawyer and Juliet – the tears must be flowing now (on the gay guys)
You mean Miles? And Lindelof?
Well, shit man. Embarrassing confession. I dropped my fucking guard at that point and allowed myself to get sucked into that scene. Of course, by that point, I’d finished a much needed glass of rum and coke. Sure-sure … blame the alcohol.
As a heterosexual I feel insulted. Like Darlton is saying to me “You’re opinion does not matter”.
That’s how they kill of the fucking SMOKE MONSTER? This show blows.
How smokie die??
Kate shot him, and the bullets worked that time…
WTF……that is a fucking jerk way to kill smoke monster
She must have consulted Arnie to come up with that one liner.
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Lapidus is Sawyer from the future!
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Sawyer: Manslut and Botox are having a tender moment at the vending machine. Lost is the greatest TV show in the world!
Never mind the fact that she’s, what’s the word? Oh, yeah.
MARRIED.
If your candy bar didn’t fall from the vending machine, unplugging it is better than shaking it a bit…somehow…
You got to hand it to Darlton though, for them this is creative. I thought they were going to get Jack to throw one of his patented rages: “You’re going to give me that candy bar, and you’re gonna give it. NOW *gun cock*”
*smashes vending machine glass*
*Vending machine falls on Jack, crushes him*
*Jack gets a Darwin award*
They had to unplug it so they wouldn’t tilt the machine an lose the game instead of just the ball…..
So commercial jetliners come with manuals and schematics for repairing landing gear?
I guess that’s in case the maintenance crew isn’t available.
I think there may be some flight manual and on board electric manual. Its very unlikely to have a manual for landing gear. If you can fix the landing gear, you are most likely already landed. If you are still on the air, you will freeze if u have access to the landing gear.
Just use a duck tape and a screw driver.
At least they answered some questions in this episode. For example, we now know that Miles used duck tape to repair the plane.
Up to your same old tricks I see…..
Do you realize how pathetic that is. It’s like Darlton are saying “we know this show is shit, and we have intention of making it any better”
EXACTLY!!!
We had a show up in Canada called The Red and Green show with a bunch of lumber jacks who think they can fix everything with enough Duck tape. That was slap stick comedy…
This is way dumber than I ever imagined it could be.
Ah, ya…
Lapedis does a victory roll…
Tender moments = easy way to get fan approval
You know what we need? More fucking commercials.
Plus Target totally lost its nanobot cloud out ouf PREY demographic now that Smokie done got smoked.
Half an hour left and NOTHING has happened…set your expectations to all time low.
Not too many answers eh? 10 minutes to go…. .
BOOM
LOST
Don’t forget there’s another 20 minutes on season 6 DVD.
Good Gawd! Another “we’ve met before” between Jack and Kate in the alt-verse. You know, it’s pretty easy to write a 2 1/2 hour finale if you just pad it with shit like this.
Don’t forget archival footage with massive amounts of bloom.
Ben puts the cork back in?
ANOTHER TENDER MOMENT
Jack is trying to hand over the protector role to Hurley. Hurley takes it while crying like a pussy.
So….Gay~~~
Which we knew from at latest when Hurl said thank god it wasn’t me. IE, in LOST-telegraph-the-punches-for-the-dumbass-fanbase-land means
IT’S ME ME ME ME ME
Did they plan from the beginning to cater this show to gays?
Jack/Hurley scene is sweet…..
awwww
(not sarcasm this time)
the most dramatic water sip in television history
Yeah also, the took it from muddy water, yet the bottle is filled with clear water.
But then, Jackass is like Jactard now. He can do anything.
The moral of tonight’s show…Stay hydrated. I wonder what would happen if they “blessed” gatorade.
ha ha ha ha ha ha
“Drink this obviously muddy water which is now surprisingly clean…sucker”
Jack made the fat guy eat mud
The airplane engines start!!!!!!!!!!!
Who wants to bet they bring the island back to life, and it causes an EMP, making the getaway plane crash… on Gilligan’s Island.
And by the way, this episode is straight out of LoTR’s Mt. Doom and crying farewells.
With bug-eye ben as gollum
The set of the cave/hole looks like a bad Star Trek episode.
That set should have been introduced ages ago. or if you are going to introduce it now, do a 25 minute dialog of Eloise explaining it to Desmond.
Thanks for you guys feeding bits and pieces of information of the finale!
Reading these is enough for me to conclude that it SUCKS!
The plane taxis out of the mud!!! No problem at all!!!!!
Surprsingly dry now Ricky Boy!
He’s SPINNING the plane around! On the beach!
Crikey! Cracks in the runway!
put the rock penis in the island vagina!!!!1111!!!
As they revel in the island’s golden shower…
Meanwhile, Jack plugs up the glory hole that Des opened.
So I guess the whole smoke monster rules don’t apply anymore.
HEY It’s the Langoliers ending!!!
Did I call it or what? Parts of the island are dropping away—just like in the Langoliers. The runway forms big cracks—just like in the Langoliers.
Fucking Langoliers. Never in my wildest.
Well maybe.
Yeah. The Langoliers is all about time travel too. And having a character who can “see” people in other timeframes.
Saddest of all, King actually called them on this after ep “The Constant”, and, professional writer that he is, predicted the fucking ending. Three fucking years ago.
Fuck a doodle do.
For the love of all that’s holy.
The plane is rocketing down a quarter mile of compacted beach sand and TAKES OFF!
Awesome, an Indian airplane that doesn’t crash.
Ouch yeah the timing is exquisite. And now they fly off to LAX in 2004 / 2007 / whenever, and the ALT universe fades out…
OR DOES IT???
BOOM
LOST
Cool…Jack changed the spark plug and the engine started back up on the island.
Champion!
Lapedis = victory roll
NO ANSWERS AT ALL
That’s not important now.
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The tag line for the box set is “ALL THE MYSTERIES WILL BE REVEALED”. Answering those mysteries is not something that they care about.
Small Print on the box: “Mystery solutions sold separately”
HAHA
What would a spoiler release for this episode look like? Jack kicks Locke off a cliff? Seriously what the fuck is this shit?
ha ha ha ha ha ha
genuinely burst out laughing at that.
let’s face it, this has been an entire season- 3 really, maybe even 4 or 5- of total worthless filler made up shit. Ripped off from a hundred sources.
When the fan fiction is better than the show you’re watching- it’s over.
They made a stack of cash for ABC, mission accomplished. The rest of it- twaddle.
I think the only spoiler is the Sawyer-Juliette lets get coffee line. Yes. It’s THAT sad.
What would of kicked ass is that when Jackass opened the coffin he would find Sawyer and Botox just a going at it boy and have Sawyer say “Hey, do ya mind, were kinda busy in here.”…..
Even better if the son walked in. “MOM??!?!”
Even better still if they were doing it on top of Christian Shepherd’s corpse.
Even better if Christian Shepherd is doing Botox on top of Christian Shepherd’s corpse (of an alternate universe)
BOOM
LOST
Fuck. So they are gonna make us buy God knows how many special edition DVD sets to find out all the answers.
I might as well just believe a wizard did everything and be done with it.
THAT is fucking hilarious!
If it’s answers yer wantin mate, yer lookin in the wrong place, lad…..
You’ve just had major spinal surgery! Let’s rock out at a Drive Shaft concert!
YOU ALL EVERYBODY!
The revenge of Darlton was, it is impossible to actually parody this worthless shit.
Whoa, my bad.
You’ve just had major spinal surgery.
Let’s go to church for a reunion.
DEMONSSSSSSSTH BE GONNNNNNE… and he can walk!
HALLELUJAH!!!!!…..
Servin’ up more tenders than McDonalds
Yep. Locke climbs out of his wheelchair in front of Ben in the alt-verse.
Locke and Ben (who was under a tree)
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
I can’t believe this after six fucking years…
Hurley is crying again.
Hurley hires Ben to help him run the island.
I’m going to make my own version of the finale and everyone gets brutally murdered by Smokie and Ben. I’m casting for roles. Who’s in.
You know I am. You also know what part I want too…..
You’re in luck, you get cast as Smokie appearing in both smoke form and Titus Welliver form. American Patriot will take on the role of Locke in Wheel chair, Matt will be Ben and Nico will be Richard. We’ll let the new comers be all the other losers (Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer…)
Act I Scene i: Kate tries to convince one of the characters to not do something. Then she tries to convince them to do that. Then Hurley comes out of the jungle and says “DUDE. It’s Like that dude that like was like with that other dude. And Du-”. Jack cuts him off and throws a tantrum. Smokie comes out of jungle grabs Jack by the leg and hurls across the jungle “AAAAaaaaahhhh”. Cue Kate’s fade in music. Ben comes out of jungle with the gravity gun. Grabs kate, lunges her at Sawyer. attempts to grab Hurley, but he’s too fat. BOOM episode ends on a cliffhanger
Thats a masterpiece in the making if I ever seen one…..
OK, how was Locke special again?? Because the smoke monster stole his body?? Really???
Are you fucking kidding? They didn’t even reveal his name.
YOU’RE ALL DEAD, IT WAS PURGATORY, YOU PASSED, WELCOME TO HEAVEN.
Exactly. LOST is a game / we are in hell / purgatory was the real answer- so we get the beginning of that show, and the end of that show, and minus 6 episodes worth of content, 6 years of intelligently manipulative but highly insulting filler. Fuck a rama.
So was that prugatory? I am still confused
Everyone died when the plane crashed. The entire show was representing the transition point after death, when you first begin to realize that you are dead and the ensuing confusion you might feel about that. The degree of confusion you manifest, depends on how well you prepared yourself to cope with this inevitable post-living experience. Given the degree to which the Lost characters got caught-up in this highly confusing and emotionally charged set of experiences, I would say they spent very little time, while alive, developing their ability to remain calmly observant of oneself, no matter what the circumstances. So unless they get their act together, most of them are destined for a less than auspicious rebirth. It’s actually a pretty heavy show. And no, gathering in a way-station and heading into the light is not getting your act together. It’s just as likely to be another temporary delusion before an even greater state of turmoil sends you into a panic and launches you squawking and squirming down the vaginal canal of some random, human or non-human animal.
So was the darma initiative real? the temple? Jacob? The others? For fucks sake, is the island even real? Where the fuck is purgatory? It’s like mind fart 1 and mind fart 2: electric boogalo. I am trying to figure out what the fuck the island is, and they introduce purgatory.
The “Bardo Viewpoint” is discussed in EXTENSIVE, and for some, tedious detail later on in this Blog. Including a repeat of what I posted here with commentary from Inherited Tiger who has studied this perspective at one point in his life. Seek and yee shall find.
Yep that mofo is beaten the FUCK to death. I posted it on my blog rather than spam the fuck out of this thread. Again.
I hope Hurley turns into the Hurley-bird now.
Or just spends the rest of eternity eating buckets of fried hurley bird drumsticks like the fat failure he is.
Hurley: You were a great shit, Ben”
Ben: “And you were a great piss, Hugo.”
(exactly what I was thinking..)
haha me too!
I smell some Heaven’s Gate shit coming up..
Lost fans killing themselves to get to the island?
In case you’re wondering… here’s the list:
1.Lost Finale
2. X-Files Finale
3. Twin Peaks
4. Battlestar Galactica
5.
5 is Seinfeld.
Biggest Disappointments you mean?
ooh yeah.
I don’t think that’s fair. This wasn’t the finale, it was actually just archival footage. The finale is next week.
Oh crap. Something weird is happening in the alt-verse. Like when Tony Soprano was dying and his cousin tried to talk him into handing over his briefcase before he could go into the big clubhouse.
Did Jack just see himself in his father’s coffin? I think he did; now the coffin’s empty.
It looks like Jack has been dead all along. Another HUGE ripoff!!
No. The island thing was “real”, it’s just that when they died, whever it was, they all met up in an afterlifey version of 2004 in O 315.
None of it was really “real”. The island was just a test to “get to” the after-lifey. Then they could make it to heaven.
Nucking futs right? LOL
If you disbelieve Christian’s claim that the island experience was the most important time of their life.
Of course I disbelieve that it was the most important part of any of the involved’s life, but he did say “life”. But then, maybe purgatory is a part of “life” in the lostverse.
The episode was bad until Christian showed up. Then it was horrendous
What’s with the jet sounds between sh- oh, they’re doing a thing.
Let’s juts get this shit over with. What a sorry ass show. They draaaaaaag out the drama on this show. So sick of it. And Jack’s BS flashbacks…please. Who cares? This is some cheesy As The World Turns bs.
They’re all dead. We guessed that 5 years ago.
They didn’t die during the crash though.
They all died on the original flight 815, it’s purgatory, Incident At Owl Creek etc.
Six years for this!?
No one can say you weren’t warned.
They knew how fucking irate it would make people.
U mother fucker Darlton!
Those ass hats. They ruined my life.
Nay. THey all died eventually and somehow met up in an afterlife, which looked similar to 2004.
This is the worst.
I mean…I’m not even trying to be a dick. This is the worst.
What sucks is that those fanbois are praising it. Read some of these facebook posts
-I loved the mysteries but felt that it was great that the writers left some mysteries unresolved. If they had explained everything, it could have spoiled it.
-Once you put all the pieces together, LOST totally makes sense. The best show EVER! =)
- Wonderful ending! I doubted the writers could satisfy expectations after all the years, but WOW they hit the mark and then some.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No wonder you get dickheads like Raegan and Bush II (OK Obama as well) in power. It’s b/c of idiots like these.
Makes sense that people remembered things in the flash-sideways.
Oh shit it’s the end of Titanic! Jack…Rose….lmao
PURGATORY – REALLY?
Where are the Ewoks?
On the island the whole time. We just weren’t looking for them.
Sooooo was the island real?
Do you want the Willy Wonka answer or the truth?
OK here’s the truth.
No. No, it fucking wasn’t. It’s the afterlife, the bardo, purgatory, the hub of dharma, the weighing of the soul (hence Egyptian symbols for afterlife) etcetera et fucking cetera. Ta-da.
And I and many others predicted it back in 2004. And were roundly criticized for saying it.
Well who the fuck is laughing now, motherfucker cultists?
God I wish I’d found this site years ago.
Should I even ask how the darma initiative got to purgotory in a sub?
You have to know the right heading…..
I feel there is a porn joke in there somewhere, but anyways, so did the island move at all? I didn’t watch the last 20 minutes b/c it was too gay, but what’s the deal? I gather Purgatory=dream as in all bets are off, it was all a joke. There’s not even a man behind the curtain, it’s just complete BS.
You know when I was writing that I was thinkinng the same thing…..
Yes.
People are gonna be sooooo pissed. Darlton swore that they weren’t gonna do a Sixth Sense, and here it is.
How’s that taste, LOST fanatics? We were fucking right! As if it was ever EVER not going to be purgatory for crying out loud??? NOTHING EVER MADE SENSE! Ergo it couldn’t possibly be “real” or “scientific”.
FFS.
LOST cultist scum- let this be a lesson to all you love-starved failures at life. Be skeptical and be happy. Trust no one in these media positions. Long con.
You’re right. I completely feel like an ass hole now for watching that show. I was conned.
I hope all the people that didn’t listen to me on the facebook groups die a painful death
WOW!!! That’s kinda rough don’t ya think?????
Fine, just a normal death
… Everyone dies eventually… Then we have to wait for ‘the Lamest -Jacob -Wannabe :Jack’ wearing a tuxedo in a stupid party….
Now that all the snark is through my system, this is a pretty fucking good ending. Don’t care what anyone says.
WTF?
Yeah, I’ll buy it.
The last 7 minutes, that is.
not the Magic Drain.
I masturbated to it several times. It was THAT good.
OHHHHKAAAAYYYY, whatever you say dude…..
I especially liked the part where they showed Hurley crying. Life has been so cruel to him. First he wins the lottery, then he has been given demigod powers and forced to live forever in paradise.
I still think my Mobile Suit Gundam ending with Optimus Prime and the stay puff marshmellow man is better.
How the fVck did Demond and Penny die??
They don’t exist, or if they do, they are lost souls from their own tragic life who encountered the others in the bardo / purgatory.
it’s actually more like the bardo, as I said in a long post on the fuselage many years ago.
you get to say fuck. why didn’t jack turn into a fucking smoke monster?
You’re not ready yet…
i need to let go and move on
No one can do it alone.
WE all needed each other!
This is the place we created together!
err, Tyler created….
so we could MOVE ON!
everybody gives up on the show….some before you, some LONG after…..
Yes but we’re not leaving.
We’re just moving on. Laurent and Brandon (or was it Brendan?) won’t be here, because they aged too quickly.
They die? Did I miss that?
I think the slo-mo started about 4 minutes ago and it’s still going.
I KNEW IT
gutter crap
Jack’s eye closes to end Lost just like Jack’s eye opened to start the whole thing off six years ago. Can you get any more cliched?
This is pretty much what they did in Seinfeld when the last conversation in the prison cell is the same conversation that opened the pilot (about a shirt button). You’d think Darlton would rather not steal from what is generally regarded to be one of the worst finales in history.
And you would think WRONG.
For them, in their mirror universe, Seinfeld’s ending is the TITS.
Yay! The long con is over! We are free!
i’m having a blair witch flashback
Brutal
Well, easy way out to explain why nothing made sense….go Darlton.
Nope. The island was real. So why nothing made sense there was never explained.
It was a remake of “Jacob’s Ladder” all along. This is what I said 4 fucking years ago. The name JACOB was a huge giveaway. “Jacob’s Ladder” extended for 6 years. Wow. I always knew it.
Likewise. Helps that it’s just about my favourite film. Plus they put out real clues- Incident At Owl Creek, Cerberus, Dharma – the actual meaning of it.
Also that the shit the loonies always glommed onto like the Dharma Initiative etc. clearly was irrelevant to the show OR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE SHOW FROM THE START. And it wasn’t.
Smoke monster even looked like the more modern conception of a demon.
They royally fucked up with the Others though. To be fair, if they’d kept them as lost souls who actually -like- purgatory ie hungry ghosts, stealing the souls of children into limbo it would have tipped even most irredeemably stupid fans off way too early.
Darlton deserve brickbats for being so dishonest for so long. They should have just never given interviews at all about anything relating to the plot.
LOST as in lost souls.
And darlton really thought they were smarter than the civilised world assembled on the internet?
Really?
REALLY?
AS IF people weren’t going to guess it almost immediately.
Their elitist foolishness in thinking they were smarter than the audience is ridiculous.
They denied the purgatory theory!!!!!
After watching the first season, the show really intrigued me. I joined in the many discussions and when the ‘purgatory’ theory was shot down by the show makers, I was really intrigued to find out what the real truth was behind what was happening.
Halfway through the third season, I really started to lose interest in the show, but kept watching, season 4, 5 and finally 6, because I really, really wanted to know what the secret was.
Just to find out that it was really purgatory (or something very similar) all along!!
That is why a website called “Why Lost Sucks” exists.
FUCK the writers!
Pointless things on Lost: Everything
Period.
I’m so pissed about that ending. What a cheap bunch of crap.
Well, as my old Uncle used to say, “I’ve taken the cure.” It will be along fucking time before I start watching another TV show that has more than one part. Thank you Tyler for letting me catch a ride with you.
You all everybody.
This is Ned Seriously signing off.
Maybe I will see you in another life, Brotha…
Does anyone else smell carrots?
You crazy snowmen……
Movin’ on…
Take care.
*Thud*
FOUND
so the ending that everyone guessed basically from the very beginning and the one they openly and directly denied was the ending they went ahead and chose to use. sweet
Because THAT my friend, is what RESPECT FOR YOUR AUDIENCE is all about.
how much respect does an audience of morons really deserve?
touche.
ROFLOL
Well now we know…Why Lost Sucks.
couldn’t have said it better myself
No we don’t. I still don’t know what the fuck is going on.
You know, I’ve had my grievances with this show (and have posted many times here) but to me, that was a brilliant fucking ending. Sure it played on sentiment, sure it didn’t give all the answers but the show is a metaphor for faith and religion, sometimes you’re not provided all of life’s answers, you need to believe. I consider myself tough, but I actually started bawling the last five minutes. It wasn’t just the show coming to a close, it was me thinking back to when I watched the very first episode, being younger, watching it with family, and reflecting on the fear of death I’ve had growing in me for awhile now.
So yes, it played on sentiment but it worked (at least for me.) Such a sad ending.
You, sir, are a pussy.
thank god i’m an atheist, so when i die, i don’t have to deal with any of that bullshit. that makes me happy.
Funnily enough, I’m Agnostic and the late faith themes really started to get under my skin. I usually get really sappy with television shows I like ending in general because some of them define periods of my life and I have certain memories attached to them. Plus, I’m tired after sitting there for nearly 3 hours. Maybe in a couple hours I’ll already grow distate for the ending. As of right now in the context of the entire series, looking back, it seems to fit. Now off to play Bioshock 2.
i hear it’s not as good as bioshock 1.
What, the afterlife, or Bioshock 2.
Either really.
Bioshock 2 has better gameplay, but Bioshock 1 has a better story (unless you’re a fanboi, in which case you have no understanding of what ‘good story’ means)
Ohhhhh nice application to Lost, Puk.
I bet LOST fanbois are of the calibre which play Gears of War and Far Cry 2 and claim it has an awesome story
Snap out if it boy!!! As you get older the fear of death lessens. Then after a certain age (depending on the individual) you come to terms with it. Then when you get old. you welcome it…..
Yeah, I cried too, but only because I couldn’t believe I fell for the joke that is LOST.
I thought it works well enough….I am a sucker for afterlife fiction….
…but I didn’t cry and I did laugh several times.
I can understand and agree (to a certain point) that it was a ‘brilliant’ ending if you consider season 6 like a self sufficiant show with no relation whatsoever with Lost S1-2-3-4-5.
But then again, the trick of introducing rules (or even new/disposable characters) whenever stuck in a plot hole, and “not having time to explain” anything makes it easy to give the false appearance that everything sticks at the end …
What a twist! Turning a sci-fi show into a chick flick! Genius!
HAH!
Meet Joe Black. Or in this case, someone else.
The show was more depressing than Schindler’s List. HA HA Jacob’s List =P
Yeah, I was hoping gas nozzles would suddenly protrude from the ceiling of that “church” when they were all assembled.
Or Jacob would snipe them from his lighthouse.
Yeeeah.
You got that straight. ALthough to me, it started becoming a chick flick with the love quadrangle.
Purgatory.
The ending everyone guessed and they denied.
Shit, it would’ve been better if the ending was the Richard was really an ageless wizard who saved them all from dying in the plane crash because Jacob asked him to. No matter how shitty that ending would’ve been at least it would’ve been original.
This is the worst fucking show.
WTF! That sucked!
hahahHhaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
no they weren’t.
Wait, did that last shot imply that they all died in the original plane crash?
Yes.
The plane crashed. They died. Then the rest of the show was the characters in purgatory being “tested”. They passed the test and they were able to meet at the church, where the white light shown on them after Jack’s dad opened the doors. They are all going to heaven because they earned it.
That is why Ben didn’t go in the church, he was not on the plane with them so he didn’t belong.
how the fuck did ben pass a test? he was a fuckin asshole.
Also he is evil. Possibly a hungry ghost, possibly a lost human soul. It’s dharma, karma and reincarnation, plus nirvana as judaeo-christian heaven, purgatory and hell.
My wife, who has watched ten minutes at the end of Season 1 ep 2, guessed this. That is the sum total of her experience of lost, and she guessed it. That tells any normal, non-addictive personality type, the level of the show. The rest was window dressing and extremely deliberate targeted marketing, possibly crossing FCC rules in the process should it be discovered that paid shills were on or behind those various boards… Fuselage…
Genius.
No. Christian said that the time Jack spent with those people was the most important time of his life for some reason. So the island stuff was real and they just met up in 2004 LAX whenever they died.
Yeah the most important part of his life certainly wouldn’t be his work in the hospital where he truly saved peoples’ lives.
Does anybody here watch the Big Bang Theory? I liked how in last week’s episode it was revealed that Shelldon actually saved Leonard’’s life once.
then why in god’s name were desmond and penny there?
And none of the Dharma people.
Think aboutt it. The time travellers actually spent more time with the Dharma initiative than with the Lostaways.
here’s what irks me the most. they had three seasons to find a way to resolve existing mysteries while setting up the finale and introducing other smaller plot devices along the way. instead they just allowed it to all pile up so that there was no way they could resolve anything without it being like they were checking items off a list. but the point is, they had 3 YEARS to map it all out. i just don’t understand how they could fuck it up so bad, and how so many people can be satisfied with it.
No, it flat out stated it.
Jack is now in a diner having a chat to Tony Soprano.
I posted this below, but how could they have all died in the original crash when Jack was wearing different clothes?
Remember all the times people said over the years – where did their clothes come from, why did their eyes change color, how did they survive that, why did Jack and Ben get sick and not the others-
it’s all spiritual. Spiritual wounds, spiritual sickness, and conjured items from nothingness, literally like props in a video game.
The game was salvation / freedom from samsara.
Hollywood Buddhism’s longest love letter has finally come to an end.
well Jack’s dad said that their time on the island was everyone’s most important part of their LIVES so I would say no…
but now knowing that these writers fucked everything for us and created the worst ending ever…it is probably plausible.
You could replace the word “lives” with “existences” or “presences.” But if they’re dead, they don’t exist and they’re not present. No word really works, so they probably chose the word “lives.” I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on the wording and I wouldn’t define “life” as actually meaning “alive” in this case.
No, they didn’t die in the original crash. And NO, the entire show was not purgatory.
I seriously don’t get where people get that.
They crashed, everything that happened in the show really happened. Some of them got off the island, some of them died there. They all died at different times, but in “heaven” or wherever they are in the alt-verse, there is no past, present, or future.
They all created this “purgatory” together where they could find each other, because they meant the most to each other. Jack was the last one to “wake up”. Once he did, they could all move on.
Yeah but island=purgatory is really a better answer. The shoulda stuck with that, so what if everyone guessed it 6 years ago….it would make sense out of so much of the show.
People get that idea because the island was so nonsensical. It’s the best way to explain away the island.
Wait a minute. If they all passed and they wanted to “find” each other in the alt verse why was Sayid killing people?
Does a person in purgatory kill people right before they go to heaven even if the alt-verse was real or not?
Watch all the flash sideways again. If the people were dead why would some people do crazy things if they were on their way to heaven?
You see the writers tried to fool us into thinking it was real. If you lived a good life and you were waiting in the alt verse why would people do bad things like try to run over people, steal, be a crook, get arrested etc.?
This is the after life? This is the long con all over again. They made us watch this $hit for 6 years just to screw us over in the finale!
Face it they used a stock story line. This is “they are all dead but they don’t know it yet and they have to pass through the alt-verse before they go to heaven.
NO we have never seen this before? Only about a million times! Way to be original scam artists, I mean writers.
So I’m guessing that Jack died from his stab wound, but when did everybody else die? The implication is that they all died earlier since they were all waiting for him, but WHEN did they die? Not in the original plane crash, cause Jack was wearing different clothes in the finale than in the pilot.
They all died in Season 1, Episode 1, just before the episode began, other than a handful of survivors. Anyone you see “alive” as of Episode 1 season 1 – around the burning engine, etc.- those are all the spirits of the dead, ie the Losties. They died conflicted, they had to work the conflict out. The moment they did- they were gone.
Allowing for vindictiveness and casting changes necessitated by real world events, that is the reason anyone permanently “died” during the show amongst the main cast. Everything else was backdrop and window dressing.
So when someone finally works out their spiritual itch- they die. Locke “died” and moved on years ago. Jack kept screwing around having dreams within dreams, until finally awoken and moved along to the far side of the board.
Google the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Don’t die of surprise when you see that one of the common symbols used in it is basically where they got the Dharma logo from.
That’s a good explanation, but I have my doubts that it’s Darlton’s explanation. They aren’t in-depth thinkers. Just look at all the literary references they used to throw in—most of them were just Rorschach teasers so the audience could project anything they wanted onto them.
For what you say to be true, I think Darlton would HAVE to put Jack back in his original business suit so that the audience could say “oh, ok, he survived for a little after the crash and all these stories have been neurons firing as his brain slowly clicks off.” That would be a tidy (although cheap) ending AND it would allow Darlton to say “see, we TOLD you everything could be explained scientifically.”
But now that I look at it, your explanation is on the spiritual side and mine is on the scientific / neurochemical side.
Either way, I still say Jack should have died in his original clothes just to make the point a little more clear. But this is Lost.
This would have been a better ending.
Way to not listen to the fucking dialogue…
The island WAS real, and the alternate universe is where they went when they died (whether it was on the island, or years after they left, or whenever Hurley gave up his position as Jacob III) to be with each other again… Jack’s father explicitly EXPLAINS that to Jack.
Your summary would have been a better ending… hell a polar bear running out of the jungle and eating the rest of the people on the island, preceded by 2 hours and 15 minutes of commercials would have been a better ending.
The dialogue… by the dead father in the hallucination within the hallucination? Thus validating that there really is an island with a glowing vajayjay and a smoke monster/shapeshifter/crashed alien/black cloud???
Also real as in physical or real as in valid? In Hollywood lots of fake things are real- in the sense that someone experienced them.
Vapid writers need to validate their own lives and choices.
Word.
And how many times have the characters been lied to on this show? I would never take anything anyone says at face value on this show.
The original cliche plot was that they died in the plane crash. They probably stole it from an old Twilight Zone or an old movie.
Then when people called it as limbo or purgatory they switched it to, no the alt verse is purgatory and the island was “real”.
Get it now, Einstein?
You’ll find if you listen to Christian and Jack’s conversation closely he implies there is now “when” and that they are only there “now”
The church and alternate universe defy the laws of what we understand time as, so they’re all dead basically and met up there…
Under the bardo etc. concept of death, death ends only when you reach your… final destination…
so they are dying / in purgatory / migrating souls until they work out their ‘issues’ then end up in the light.
I now hate WHYLOSTSUCKS. For a bunch of people who wrote hysterical shit and entertained me thoroughly over the course of this entire season, most of you morons couldn’t grasp the shit they did in the finale. I guess it actually IS “too deep” for a large enough percentage of you morons.
So yes, the only thing that’s dumber than the fucking show and dumber than the magic jacuzzi toilet bowl is the fact that I’ve read at least 100 of “THEY WERE DEAD ALL ALONG.”
You should be fucking ashamed of yourself for being stupider than the dumbest shit on television.
Yeah the show is in “deep $hit”. LOL
You save this page… Hope I can find more hope scrolling down !
Darlton are driving their expansive cars back home now!
Holy Jesus Jumping Jack Christ! I just wasted 6 years of my life!
Oh well, I will go back to being dead.
USAToday already has a glowing four star review out.
Bought and paid for. The lamestream media is what it is.
USA Today is the cheerleader of the newspaper world.
Disgusting media corruption.
And they whine about how the internetz is stealing their business away?
Eat shit and die, motherfuckers!
How come Jack didn’t turn into the new smoke monster when he was consumed by the magic light?
“That’s the way Jacob ran things” says Ben, the guy who seemed to know everything but didn’t actually know anything and went back back to knowing everthing.
FUCK!
only some people who go down there turn into smoke monsters. that should have been clear, stuuuuuuupid.
Darlton have the shortest short term memory this side of gold fish.
I was wonderng the same thing!!! WTF?
Why didn’t MIB run to the well and turn the wheel instead? He was human now.
in episode 15, we weren’t ready yet, but in episode 18, we were. cool. i guess they had a quota for commercial sales to meet
possibly what bothers me most about the fact that it was pugatory the whole time, which they denied it would ever be, was the HORRIBLE commercials with the notes that fans wrote in. LAME!
No, i think the island was real. The only purgatory was in the “alternate universe”, where they all met after they had died.
The island was a “fantasy” The only thing that was “real” was the piece of crap finale!
Beauty is truth, truth beauty, that is all
We know on earth, and all ye need to know.
They actually answered NOTHING on this show and NOTHING made sense. What a fucking piece of shit
absolutely nothing. I could have watched a porno instead and learned just as much about the show.
I do remember Darlton denying the purgatory theme in season one, but they obviously had to because people would’ve stopped watching right away. Hell, they’d have to reject everything/make it up as they go along to keep their viewers.
If I’m not mistaken, they all died when the original plane crashed. They were in purgatory the entire time and when they finally left the island (inside the church) the gates to heaven were opened. By Jack lying in the same spot he woke up in, was that like a loop so that when you watch ep 1 it ties all together?
The only thing I’m really confused about is if it was all purgatory, where was the place they went to in season four when they were all off island?
Bardo hallucinations. Everything on the show is their hallucinations. Their recollections of events are different even when it’s a shared experience. The advert in the background of The Constant whose eyes move. It isn’t reality, it’s layers of illusion.
On the island, dead is dead.
I know the dialogue sucks, but Jack’s father says it… the island was real, and people eventually die, the “sideways universe” is something they “created” to see each other again… AFTER the island incident.
So apparently, they have the ability to create alternate universes, but they have trouble with passing memories along…
The island is NOT purgatory… it’s real… it happened… the “sideways universe” was more like purgatory years and years after the island was fixed by Jack sticking the cork back in the hole (seriously, wtf?)…
The problem is that 90% of the shit that was so compelling on the island was left hanging plotwise (Micheal and his supernatural son, the Dharma initiative, what Jacob and his brother really were, The smoke monster, what the island was, what the island was protecting, why they brought polar bears there)
…and they devoted the last episode to completing the sappy sideways reunion… all so they could have their happily ever after.
I’m just gonna watch the first season on DVD again and pretend the show was cancelled… it would have been a more fulfilling ending.
Nothing on the island made sense, was possible, or in any way real. You are trying to say that a “realistic” story was told, which included a HYDROGEN BOMB detonated by being hit by a rock, and which left the hitter scarred up but not vaporised. Think it through dude.
Of course it’s not probable… it’s TV… but the story is told as if the island WAS real, and the alternate universe is where they went when they died to be with each other again.
THe number one characteristic of the afterlife according to the real world mythologies is that its highest ie closest to earth points are the most earth like. As in the film Jacob’s Ladder, which executed it flawlessly. There can easily be entire Incident At Owl Creak layers within layers within layers. The same way a “real” person in the here and now can play a video game- adopting a persona in the process- online with other “real” people. That’s two lives. Then in the video game they play a minigame in which they adopt a persona. That’s three lives. And so on. The layers collapse only when enlightenment is reached.
The glowing door at the end looked pretty fucking enlightening to me. In the literal gates of heaven / return to the womb kind of way.
But why would it have been so important for them to meet up if only some of them only barely met in the plane? Desmond, Penny, Ben, Miles, Faraday, Richard, Charlotte, Lapetus weren’t even on the plane.
I think watching up to the end of season 2 would’ve been more fulfilling, with Penny learning the location of the electromagnetic pulse or whatever the fuck it was, and thus a chance for rescue.
Ok…I stll had hope…I wanted an explanation , an answer for all my questions…result?…the LAMEST LAMEST LLAAAAAMEST ENDING in HISTORY, Fuck you LOST, I loved the Show but the ending made it the worst show in history…waist of fucking time, the writer have NO creativity what so ever…LAME
“The only thing I’m really confused about is if it was all purgatory, where was the place they went to in season four when they were all off island?”
You don’t get it yet? Nothing meant, anything, the numbers, the Dharma Initiative, they were dead and it was all in their minds. The rest was just time filler to kill six seasons. Nothing meant anything.
Okay, I thought it was real in the sense that the plane crash killed them and all that made up shit on the island was purgatory. The journey/everything was so that they could get to heaven. I get that nothing really meant anything and was more or less a test, but this thing of it all being in their minds is confusing.
I actually liked this ending. There was no other way to end this show. But, besides the obvious fact Darlton lied about it not being purgatory, they also stole the whole idea from the novel, “The Third Policeman.” Not like that is necessarily bad, though.
I’ll give the finale this…it was deeper than anything you’ll see on TV. Anyway, read the synopsis of “The Third Policeman” or read it (its not too long and a good read). Basically the main character is dead the whole time but doesn’t know it.
Yep. To the extent that they came to close to hitting the dumbasses over the head with the Third Policeman, VALIS and Incident at Owl Creek, they played fair. For the rest of the time- total long con and not cool.
look at all these faggots on the kimmel show
That little faggot’s got his own jet airplane
That little faggot is a millionaire.
That ain’t workin’
i was talking about all the people in the audience crying.
Did you hear their Q&A?
Guaranteed to make you lose faith in humanity forever. Not joking, sadly.
Ok, this finale and show blow. I’m not sure why you guys think that the island was purgatory and that everyone died in the original crash.
Didn’t Jack’s dad say that all the crap that happened was real, and that everyone in the church was in fact dead, but not in the original crash? Boone and the blond chick died before Jack, Kate etc died after.
I don’t think that the purgatory theory makes sense. Hurley tells Ben that he was a good #2, implying that some time had passed and that they had done some sh*t on the island or whatever. Also, at the very end, we saw the plane wreckage–no bodies or anything.
So the island was real and does actually exist in the real world. This actually makes it worse and more nonsensical in my opinon. Why is the island important? what is the light? what the fck was the whole fuss about? why was it a problem to let the smoke dude off the island?
EXACTLY! The island WAS real, and the alternate universe is where they went when they died to be with each other again.
My problem, and probably all of the other viewers can agree is that nobody cares about the “sideways” universe where they live happily ever after…
We still want answers to the most BASIC plot elements they introduced but never fleshed out…
Exactly.
The people who created this show avoided their own plot. They set up all this mystery and hints of important implications, and in the end avoided resolving anything.
They tried to give the show a philosophical, deep foundation, but in reality its just shallow, nonsensical garbage.
I guess the only thing left to say is…
Dooouuuccchhebaaaagssss.
I’m totally with you dude. Maybe I didn’t lose my bet after all.
The writers could still eat shit though. Biggest disappointment
ever.
The light in the cave, is also in all of us.
Possible in real world, or allegory?
ALLEGORY.
If the golden light is on the island, then the island is an allegory too. As predicted.
There is no island.
It’s Hollywood theistic buddho-judaeo-christian mysticism for dummies.
Oprahism with a dash of Voodoo.
lol @ “buddho”. Also that church window with symbols of 6 major religions sucked. Fors starters, the symbols for Confucianism, Shinto Sikhism were missing. All three of these religions have more followers than Judaism.
Number of Shintoist writers in hollywood?
Number of Sikh wrtiers in hollywood?
Eggzzzacktly.
Point taken. Actually I’m not sure whether there’s more Confucianists.
Also, I’m not sure there are more Taoists than Shintoists or Sikhs.
The reason they were all dead is because of the very very end. We see the original plane sitting on the beach with no survivors. The story is actually a story within itself. Although they all died on the original plane crash, they all had a chance for redemption. Some did (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, even Ben) whereas others didn’t (Michael, Ana Lucia).
But the very end is clear as day. They all physically died and were seperated from the “real world” when Oceanic 815 crashed originally. Plane wreckage, but no survivors. Ironically peaceful scene.
They did not die in the original plane crash. They died later in different ways. If they all died in the original plane crash why would Christian say “the time you spent on the island with these people was the most important time of your LIFE”
maybe he misspoke, or defines “life” differently. you’re letting one word negate all the crazy bullshit that happened on the island, essentially saying all of that was real, which it could not have been.
But there was a plastic tarp supported by something there, as though someone had built it as shelter.
Remember the guy sucked into the plane reactor in S1E1 ? What was his chance for redemption ??
THEY DID NOT DIE IN THE FIRST CRASH. THAT’S SO OBVIOUS YOU GUYS ARE PISSING ME OFF
“Remember the guy sucked into the plane reactor in S1E1 ? What was his chance for redemption ??”
ask the writers!
Makes sense, but who knows?
2 minutes in and the Jimmy Kimmel show is the best part of the night…….
Uh, nooooooooooooooooooooo.
Only a truly brainless person can laugh at that festival of fail.
Although I guess in the first two minutes you just saw people cry, which I will admit was satisfying in a weird way.
YOU ALL EVERYBODY
LATE
FATE
BOOM
LOST
I can’t type U A L L Everybody without the system complaining of reposts.
I’m with you guys in saying the ending sucked, but they all didn’t die in the first plane crash. When hurley told ben he was a good number two and ben told hurley he was a good number one, that showed that they lived AFTER the plane crash on the island. The island was NOT purgatory. Purgatory was more like…the ALT verse, where they all went to after they died but before they went to heaven.
If you can be bothered, and I am sure some people will do this now, if you go back over all the seasons, and check eye color, hurley bird type clues and similar deliberate “errors” and “easter eggs” in the show itself, not the ARG, you can pick out the “real” story from the filler. That will answer your question comprehensively beyond a moral certainty.
what question did i have ?
there’s no time for that now.
man I can’t believe that worked.
I disagree. It’s a story w/i a story. They all physically died originally. This is shown by the very last scene where the plane is sitting by itself on the beach w/ no survivors. This sort of explains why so many mysterious things happened on the island. But the story we see stands on its own whether they died or not. So the characters, although still technically “dead”, still have experiences with each other which lead to their “bliss” that happens when they “remember” and at the end in the church.
you say no surivors..but i didn’t see DEAD people on the beach. Why would the survivors be still sitting at that plane ? They were elsewhere doing other things.
It broke up at 20,000 feet or whatever. do the math.
The whole finale was a big stream of number one right on top of a big pile of number two!
At least it wasn’t total epic fail and cop-out, like the Sopranos ending.
I dunno, I think you all are being too harsh. Full House had a nice, well-rounded ending too — with a lot of slow motion and smiling faces and previous cast members. We did need more Matthew Fox close-ups.
Brilliant, amazing ending to a revolutionary, totally original show.
PS — will I get points for alluding to James Joyce’s The Dead opposed to Jacon’s Ladder if I drop that in reference to this total piece of shit island castaway series?
Never know til you try, brotha…
Sopranos ending worked. A season back there was a conversation on the Sopranos about what getting whacked would be like. How the show ended- that was how getting whacked was described.
Ergo, Tony got whacked.
That is 100% my feeling. Tony. Got. Whacked. I can’t understand why more people don’t see this. They spread the clues around several characters and across multiple episodes. One scene even went silent as a rival gangster was shot. Tony’s scene went silent AND black. His glance toward the door as Meadow was arriving was the last thing he ever saw.
Holy shit you mean people still don’t know that?
Not just don’t know it, violently oppose it in discussion. Because a television show is TOTALLY worth going postal.
Sooo the first three seasons without flash forwards were pointless in Jack or anyone else’s journey to heaven.
i would say the first 6 seasons were pointless
This could have been a 2 hour movie.
Everything during the island timeline was real. The Jacob/MIB fight, the losties crashing, the freighter, them leaving. Jack Dying, The Plane leaving the island. it all happened, not purgatory, What happened was they helped each other during the time on the island to come together, fix their lives, and find their true loves and soul mates to live for life. Or they found peace in the world. The ALT TIMELINE was fake, just a place set up for all those who had died to come together and move onto the afterlife. They waited there while everyone lived out their lives, like Kate, Lupidus, Hurley, Ben, Miles, Claire, Alpert, all lived out their lives after the island. When they all finally died, they met up there and realized how great their redemptions and lives turned out. Ben did not want to go yet, because he wanted to wait and find true love with Danielle and help out Alex to make up for his past mistakes. He did live out on island, this is what Hurley and Ben were talking about, that they succeeded in protecting it, and now that time is over. This is what I understand was the point of what we just watched.
SO I guess Ben’s original true love who was never mentioned again can just eat shit and die then.
And so on.
Lets get one thing clear. Darlton introduced mysteries for the lulz. They had no intention of tying it in to any master plan.
maybe that’s why he said he still had some things to work out
Yep. Good old Rape Eyes Ben The Homicidal Maniac has more people to snuff before his final apology tour gets him his golden ticket.
Well that’s what I got out of it…. but that doesn’t explain anything about the island the b.s. bad drama and all the….. WTF BS ENDING ALL BS
I sure hope so buddy,I sure do.
It really bothers me that Darlton will consider the finale a success because they’ve got people debating what is and isn’t purgatory.
I like the guy upthread who said they avoided their own plot. The ride we all started six years ago was not well served by a “they’ve always been dead” finale.
Exactly!!
I think Pedro has it right
I think they switched to smoking crack at some point.
Clusterfuck is the only way to describe this show.
All the little intricacies that some are mentioning (what about _______? but _______ happened!) DON”T MATTER ONE BIT. It doesn’t matter if it was “purgatory” the way you think of “purgatory” or not. It doesn’t matter about ANYTHING. It doesn’t matter WHAT you call anything. It was all just NOTHING. It doesn’t matter when they died. What matters is that you wasted A LOT of your time watching a show that didn’t do anything.
YOU’RE LETTING PEOPLE (writers, directors, actors) LIVE WAY BETTER LIVES THAN YOU FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You’re allowing people privledges that not everyone gets.
THIS SHOULD BE THE END OF CELEBRITY more than anything else. I’ve literally shit out better stories than this whole thing.
“Look, there’s the corn, and then there’s the leafy greens…”
I agree with some of what you say. The mysteries weren’t important in and of themselves. They served as background to move the story along, and some of the questions were answered. But the writers still said something in the finale. They talked about the importance of the relationships we form, and that this is what gives us happiness and what truly lasts for eternity. Call it sappy, call it bubble-gum…I tend to agree. But they made statements larger than answering “what is the Dharma Initiative” or “why is Walt special.”
But the ending should caution people who worship writers, like many fanboys did/do. They are pulling out their hair for licking the balls of the writers like they did and getting the ending that they did.
Dude, very well put, brotha!
It’s like that scam we call “the economy”, where we give monies to powerful people when they fuck up, because they threaten to fuck us up, so we cower submissively and choose to fuck up ourselves.
Wow. The whole show was a lie. I feel like the biggest idiot
for not knowing they were dead the whole time. I mean who
wants to believe that right? I thinking up until the very end of
the episode strange things like, electromagnetic energy turning
people into black smoke is ok in the realm of science fiction.
But that’s not what happened. I am a fool and I will never hear
the end of it from my fiancee as well. She knew the whole time
they were dead. What a sagging load of shit, and fuck me again
for being so gullible.
To the writers…
Thanks for the Bible study or soul reflection,whatever
you want to call it creators of Lost. Thats right creators of Lost, I
already forgot your stupid fucking names and so will the rest of
America. I wish I got paid as much as you guys to write lies.
They were not dead the whole time.
I think that many people “guessed” it was purgatory at the beginning of season 1. This plot has been done zillions of times.
So since some people caught on early they moved the purgatory part to right after they killed smokie.
They thought if they said the island was “real” that only half as many people would be pissed off!
you have to admit it’s a great way to end a show so that the writers don’t have to pay attention to any kind of detail: consistency, continuity, hell they don’t even have to shoot scenes at the right times of day. they could have carried this show on for 20 years if they wanted to.
no. this ending did not all of a sudden make the bad writing into good writing.
fucking copouts
The real lesson: back in SEASON 1 the writers said they would not hesitate to lie outright to protect what the show was really about.
And they did.
But I would have too. But I would have thought of a better ending than this copout.
rather than lie, just say nothing about the plot, it isn’t difficult.
They’re like Jacob. Rather than not killing people and fucking up people’s lives by bringing them to the island and run the risk of smokie manipulating them to kill Jacob, he does it and is killed.
The writers, rather than declining to comment on the show’s plot, lie about it and get burned. Well not really.
THEY WERE NOT DEAD ON THE ISLAND.
but then that would mean there’s an island with a smoke monster and a golden tunnel and a donkey wheel that sends you to tunisia. i’m pretty sure they were dead on the island. and if you think they weren’t, it was probably due to a continuity error on the writers’ parts
And the end scene of the crashed plane with no survivors is the biggest red-herring of any work of fiction.
Did you see dead people on the beach ? is that how you know that no one survived ?
THere are 108 different ways to shoot you down but let’s start.
1. dialogue within the first eps says that there is no way anyone could have survived. Also, common sense.
Can’t we just agree that it was a shit show.
It was a shit show
The flash-sideways were sort of a purgatory for lost and tortured souls. As is the life of ghosts, they don’t remember shit and walk throughout their dream-world just living.
It took dead Desmond traveling to this otherside to help kick-start the awakening of these souls to move-on together by remembering their tortured experiences together. If they hadn’t they probably would have just been trapped in that state. Like a cycle.
Showing Jack at the end in the same state to witch he came to the island and flashed to the island illustrates this cycle.
The island is a place where you can connect to the otherside because of the “special Properties”.It took all this to make Jack remember he was trapped in the purgatory aswell.
You gotta kinda think that since the island is the mid-point of these realities, when exposed to these phenomenons you (mentally) can exhibit a commune with your otherself…The whispers get trapped on this place because the island shares a part of this “Dead-Reality”
This whole show was basically about some LOST souls (namely Jack) finding a way to break the cycle and “Move-on”. What we saw (As in the the ENTIRE effin show!!) was the storyline of their journey that would make-up the things that awoke them in the sideways.
Yep, and it was still weak as hell…
I dare you to find a hole in this logic!
No I don’t. I’m going to find some flavored rum and get f*cked up now losties, no, no McCutchen’s for me.
How the hell could a smoke monster and a light cave that has to be plugged back in actually be real?? That makes no sense in the real world, it has to be in their minds.
How does Ben get out from under that goddamn tree. Thats all I really want to know.
Never ask me that again.
Hey thats my line dammit…..
there’s no time for that.
Smokie Not Locke you’re back!
I was away for the weekend so I couldn’t post in the predictions thread, then the site was down. I came back today, and half the shit on here was just fanboi theories.
The fuselage is ‘down’ too. They prob got too much negative press. Facebook, they tacitly acknowledge that the show was a catastrophe, yet they are still self aware enough to know that their show is beyond reproach.
I know dude, I actually thought for a second that I had some of the episode missing or something.
I enjoyed that show during seasons 1-1.5 after that the storyline was diluted and losing any coherent base. I attempted to regain interest although the storyline was non-existent. I LOST interest. I thought thing were coming back together in the last season (fool that I was). Finale SUCKED. A shame the creators stretched the story to extend a series for ratings and viewership on the network rather than run the original story as a mini-series with consistence.
Can we just pretend season 6 never happened? is it too late?
Season 6 was all in Vincent’s mind. He ate a bad crab and died. The flash sideways was really Vincent’s!
Makes sense. It would either have to be a retarded human or a genius dog who comes up with those plot holes.
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The Tibetan word Bardo means literally “intermediate state” – also translated as “transitional state” or “in-between state” or “liminal state”. In Sanskrit the concept has the name antarabhāva.
Fremantle (2001) states that there are six traditional bardo states known as the Six Bardos: the Bardo of This Life (p.55); the Bardo of Meditation (p.58); the Bardo of Dream (p.62); the Bardo of Dying (p.64); the Bardo of Dharmata (p.65); and the Bardo of Existence (p.66).
Shugchang, et al. (2000: p.5) discuss the Zhitro (Tibetan: Zhi-khro) teachings which subsume the Bardo Thodol and mention Karma Lingpa, terma and Padmasambhava and list the Six Bardo:
In the terma discovered by Karma Lingpa, Guru Padmasambhava introduces six different bardos. The first bardo begins when we take birth and endures as long as we live. The second is the bardo of dreams. The third is the bardo of concentration or meditation. The fourth occurs at the moment of death. The fifth is known as the bardo of the luminosity of the true nature. The sixth is called the bardo of transmigration or karmic becoming.[1]
Six Bardos
1. Shinay bardo (Tibetan): is the first bardo of birth and life. This bardo commences from conception until the last breath, when the mindstream withdraws from the body.
2. Milam bardo (Tibetan): is the second bardo of the dream state. The Milam Bardo is a subset of the first Bardo. Dream Yoga develops practices to integrate the dream state into Buddhist sadhana.
3. Samten bardo (Tibetan) is the third bardo of meditation. This bardo is generally only experienced by meditators, though individuals may have spontaneous experience of it. Samten Bardo is a subset of the Shinay Bardo.
4. Chikkhai bardo (Tibetan): is the fourth bardo of the moment of death. According to tradition, this bardo is held to commence when the outer and inner signs presage that the onset of death is nigh, and continues through the dissolution or transmutation of the Mahabhuta until the external and internal breath has completed.
5. Chönyid bardo (Tibetan): is the fifth bardo of the luminosity of the true nature which commences after the final ‘inner breath’ (Sanskrit: prana, vayu; Tibetan: rlung). It is within this Bardo that visions and auditory phenomena occur. In the Dzogchen teachings, these are known as the spontaneously manifesting Thödgal (Tibetan: thod-rgyal) visions. Concomitant to these visions, there is a welling of profound peace and pristine awareness. Sentient beings who have not practiced during their lived experience and/or who do not recognize the clear light (Tibetan: od gsal) at the moment of death are usually deluded throughout the fifth bardo of luminosity.
6. Sidpai bardo (Tibetan): is the sixth bardo of becoming or transmigration. This bardo endures until the inner-breath commences in the new transmigrating form determined by the ‘karmic seeds’ within the storehouse consciousness.
Saddharmasmrity Upasthana Sutra (正法念處經) classify 17 Bardos with different experiences.[2]
Tibetan Buddhism has concentrated more attention on helping the dying person cross the borders of death than any other living religious tradition. The Tibetan Book of the Dead and other sources give detailed descriptions of the stages of death and afterlife, as well as instructions about how the dying individual should confront and react to these mysterious places and events. Dealing with a tradition that contains so many lineages, deities, and philosophical subsystems in a short article will necessarily involve generalizing about the tradition. Though the material is complex and sometimes difficult to interpret for a Westerner who must rely on English sources, the author will describe the stages of death, and attempt to show how they are relevant to our discussion of spiritual travel.
The Bardos or Stages of the Afterlife
The realm of the afterlife is called the world of the bardo. The term bardo is a general term which literally means “in-between” and in this context denotes a transitional state, or what Victor Turner calls a liminal situation. The bardo concept is an umbrella term which includes the transitional states of birth, death, dream, transmigration or afterlife, meditation, and spiritual luminosity. We focus, in this essay, on the bardos of death and transmigration. For the dying individual, the bardo is the period of the afterlife that lies in between two different incarnations.
In Tantric Buddhist cosmology, existence has a foreground which consists of the many worlds of incarnation, and also a background which is the space between these worlds which is called the bardo world. The stars are the many worlds, and bardo of the afterlife is like the night sky which is the backdrop or the space where the stars are hung.
The first stage of the bardo of the afterlife follows the initial experience of the dissolution of the four elements of the physical body at the time of death. These consist of something similar to the concepts of earth, fire, water, and air in the West, and are related to the progressive dissociation of the soul from the physical body. This dissolution follows a prescribed progression: the senses fail and the muscles lose their strength as the body becomes inert and still resembling physical matter (earth), there is loss of control over bodily fluids (water), the body loses its warmth (fire), and the breath fails (air). All this is experienced in sequence by the dying person when the person is able to remain conscious during the bardo of death.
Note here that the “soul” in Tibetan Buddhism is only a collection (or bundle) of karma (credits and debits based on previous actions which mold both the habit patterns of the individual and the kinds of conditions encountered in life). In Buddhism, the soul has no substantial nature but otherwise the soul and this “collection” seem very similar and are functionally equivalent for our purposes. We therefore use the term soul above even though it is a not a Buddhist term.
The First Bardo
Following this, the person’s experience of the first bardo of the afterlife commences. However, for most individuals, it passes by in a split second and goes unnoticed. Only those who have undergone training in and practiced meditation, contemplative prayer, and similar spiritual disciplines will likely even be aware of the first bardo state. For some of those fortunate souls, there will be several opportunities to meet with spiritual beings and enter the realms of enlightened beings. One description of the kind of meditation done by advanced practitioners consists of a conscious effort to “dissolve space into light”, which if successful will propel the dying soul into an a state of light and bliss beyond the continual cycles of birth and death to which most souls are subject. For those less familiar with such formal meditation practices, the act of remembering very bright light (such as, for example, remembering an experience of staring into the sun) and seeing that light as a source of pure awareness or divine love would produce a similar effect. A series of meditations and understandings that can be helpful as one enters the bardo can be found on our Death Meditations page.
For those experienced in spiritual travel who were able to enter spiritual states of light, sound, and emptiness during life, the first bardo may offer an opportunity to enter into these areas shortly after the time of death. Also, those with a devotional disposition who were able to develop a strong bond with a deity during life may have similar opportunities to enter into one of the heavens of that deity during the first bardo. The devotion must usually be intense and concentrated to draw the deity’s attention in this circumstance. Also, those who were devoted to a guru or spiritual guide during life can call upon that being and ask for guidance. Although the Tibetan Buddhist tradition is not primarily devotional, it like most of the world’s great religious traditions contains devotional aspects where practicianers are encouraged to focus on powerful teachers or saints of the past or present as well as dakinis, bhairavas, Bodhisattvas, Buddhas, and other helpful beings.
The spiritual aperture that opens briefly at the time of death presents a wonderful opportunity to those who can control their thoughts as the first bardo begins. This is probably why there is a common folk belief in the Hindu tradition which puts much emphasis on controlling and directing the last thought of the dying person. If this thought is strong, clear, and of a spiritual nature, it may permit the person to enter through this doorway into a spiritual world immediately at the time of death, and thus avoid the confusion of the second bardo.
The Second Bardo
If the first bardo passes and attempts to access spiritual states were unsuccessful, the next bardo begins. The second bardo or the “bardo of becoming” is a stage in which the desires of the individual are said to carry the largely helpless soul through a great variety of intense emotional states. Good thoughts bring great bliss and pleasure, and hateful or negative thoughts bring great pain and desolation. The soul bounces from thought to thought as a torrent of thoughts and feelings come like a waterfall. Existing thought habits and desires are said to define the experience of the soul during the afterlife in this way.
Spiritual Travel and the Second Bardo
It is here where some experience and training in spiritual travel and out-of-body experience may be of greatest help. It may first help the individual maintain a state of detachment. The spiritual traveler who has experienced the inner world during life can take the whirlwind nature of inner world following death with more calm and detachment. Those who have read examples of the kinds of states encountered in spiritual travel located on other pages of this site will understand that some experimentation and discovery in the inner worlds may prepare the soul for many of the dynamics of the states it may encounter after death. The similarity of certain aspects of the near-death experience (a temporary bardo state) and elements of spiritual travel experience (the “tunnel” experience for example) show some common qualities between certain spiritual travel states and these bardo states.
The soul experienced in spiritual travel is less likely to be disoriented by this inner torrent of psychic experience. To put it another way, while the spiritual traveler or yogi swims through the ocean of consciousness, the inexperienced soul may feel more like it is drowning in that ocean. But as with a drowning person, the most important thing is to have a direction in which to swim to safety. The point of orientation or goal for the person in the second bardo may be a deity, a mantra, a prayer, a heaven, a guide, or some similar spiritual goal but the spiritual traveler must be able to focus and move towards that goal using meditative techniques learned and practiced during their former life in the physical world. This is the active approach of the spiritual traveler.
The second advantage is that the spiritual traveler has entered the waters of consciousness consciously on many occasions and is practiced at directing his or her experience in the inner worlds.
The greatest problems of the soul in the second bardo are negative emotions like guilt and fear (which results from a lack of familiarity with the inner worlds), and lack of conscious control over its own experience. Fear is particularly harmful because it fragments the self making concentration on one thing difficult or impossible, and this can lead to confusion and loss of conscious control.
The soul in the second bardo is many times caught in a dream state sometimes unaware that it has died, and incapable of taking action to raise its state of consciousness to a threshold level of awareness where it can direct its attention towards spiritual states.
This is one of the reasons it is important to do a regular spiritual practice during life. Doing meditation or prayer every day establishes a pattern of spiritual activity. It then becomes automatic and the habit of seeking after the divine reality continues during the after-death state where it can have powerful results. A daily spiritual practice differs from other more common spiritual practices such as going to church or temple because it is done more often than once or twice a week. Meditation therefore establishes a stronger habit pattern in the individual and is a valuable addition to group oriented spiritual activities such as attending church.
Regular meditation can also be more powerful because it is usually a less passive activity than church since it fully involves the individual in the meditative process rather than making a spectator out of him or her.
What the soul in the second bardo needs to do is “wake up”, as in a lucid dream, and begin a meditation or mental exercise that draws it towards a desired stable and more conscious state of awareness where it can have some control and continue to evolve spiritually. The opposite of conscious control is a dream-like state where the individual experiences only the results of his or her previous actions, and mechanically moves from thought to thought based on thinking patterns developed during life.
Waking up within a dream is one of the activities the spiritual traveler practices when he or she leaves the body to travel the inner planes. Beyond this, the traveler is also always practicing and perfecting the art of directing his or her attention towards some desired state. It is the contention of the author that experience with meditation and actual spiritual travel experience during life can both be of great help in rising above the semi-conscious state characteristic of the second bardo, and moving into a more conscious and desirable state following physical death.
For those who practiced a devotional tradition in life, some will semi-consciously repeat a religious or a meditative ritual asking gods or intercessors to draw them out of the second bardo world. We see an example of an attempt to create such a ritual in the Catholic rosary, where Mary as intercessor is requested to
Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death …
This phrase is from the Hail Mary Prayer. One effect of the repetition of this prayer fifty times in the rosary is that such a prayer for help and intercession may become an automatic process, which will repeat itself in the bardo.
For those fortunate enough to be more conscious in these bardo states, a petition to a god, guru, guide, saint, or intercessor can be made in hopes that the individual will be lifted or guided out of the bardo worlds by one of those entities. But here again, the call must be concentrated and the ability to ignore the surrounding chaos somewhat developed. When such grace is given, it is a form of salvation where the individual is saved from the discomfort and confusion of the “outer darkness” of the bardo by a powerful entity – usually one that individuals formed a bond with in their former life. To use the swimming analogy, here the individual calls out to a lifeguard in hopes of being rescued from the turbulent waters of the bardo state. This is the more passive approach of the devotee.
We should also note that souls in this bardo are thought to be very sensitive to the thoughts and attitudes of those they knew during life. The Tibetans therefore put great effort into doing chanting, reading of sacred texts, and other religious rituals to help the dying soul on its journey in the afterlife. Praying for the peace and happiness of the dying person therefore has great value and provides a benefit to both the living and the dead. This process of sending good wishes to those who have recently died can create a positive spiritual atmosphere which can orient and bring peace to the person in the bardo realm, and can also counter some of the sorrow and upset that accompanies the loss of a loved one.
The Third Bardo
The third and last bardo consists of the stage of reincarnation where the soul is pulled into another body to start a new life, often but not always in the physical world. Tibetan Buddhists believe that the most desirable world to be born in is the physical world, since it affords the most opportunity for spiritual growth and realization. The third bardo consists of a series of images determined by the soul’s karma that lead to psychic vortices that draw the soul into a womb. The soul’s reaction to the images (attraction or repulsion) determines which vortex the soul enters and in which womb the soul ends up. The Tibetan tradition gives detailed advice on which representations to choose and which to avoid in order to gain a desirable rebirth.
This ability to choose a good incarnation requires discrimination, and a certain degree of conscious awareness. The new age approach to reincarnation which claims we choose our new incarnation is idealistic and not always true from this vantage point. Many souls desperate to escape the confusion of the second bardo will grab on to the first opportunity that presents itself like a swimmer who grasps a log in dangerous rapids in hopes of making it to calmer waters. Choosing the first object (or incarnation) that comes along may not be the wisest choice.
The average person is said to spend a period of about forty-five days in the second bardo. However, passionate souls with strong desires or those responsible for evil acts in their most recent life are said to reincarnate almost immediately. In exceptional cases, the individual can stay in the bardo state for longer periods, and be drawn into its currents awaiting rebirth.
If the individual does not reincarnate in the physical world, he or she will go to one of the other five worlds of rebirth. These are the heaven worlds, the hell worlds, the world of hungry ghosts, the asura (demigod) worlds, and the animal worlds. Each of these is believed to be limited and inferior to obtaining another body in the material world. This is because they exist mostly to receive good or bad karma (the results of previous actions), and are not considered places to create new karma.
The least familiar of the above worlds is the asura world which is a place of conflict and struggle where kings, knights, and warlords battle each other for dominance. Persons who were fascinated with gaining and exercising power over others during life are said to be likely to incarnate in the asura realm.
The asura realm also offers the potential for rapid learning where the individual’s actions produce clear and dramatic effects without generating the powerful karmic ripples that would normally occur in the physical world. It can thus be a kind of remedial world for those who are caught in negative repeating patterns which incline them to make bad decisions in the physical world incarnation after incarnation.
The hungry ghost realm is a place of need and desire where souls are denied fulfillment or given only small rewards. Here souls experience states of continuing anxiety and frustration. The animal world is reserved for those whose extreme instincts for violence, gluttony, or sexual gratification dominated their previous lives in the physical world to the extent that they devolved into the instinctual and unreflective state of animal existence. The heaven and hell worlds have wide variations, but it is interesting that the Tibetan tradition has both burning hells (as in the Christian tradition) and freezing hells.
Heavens are not entirely desirable in many Buddhist traditions because they are places where little learning takes place, and they do not allow for much creativity or compassionate action. They are thus viewed as vacation spots that promote happiness for the inhabitants but accomplish little in the way of spiritual maturation. They are also viewed as temporary and not eternal.
The Freedom to do Spiritual Travel in the Afterlife
One factor that helps the soul achieve the freedom of conscious control and spiritual travel during the afterlife is acceptance of death. Those who have not accepted death will resist the process of dying and introduce conflict into the bardo stages. This is why it is important for people to take care of any unfinished business as they near death so they can let go of life completely.
In Brahmanical Hinduism, there is a stage of life called the forest dweller or vanaprastha stage in which the older individual who has finished raising a family is supposed to begin letting go of pleasures and attachments to life in preparation for death. However, in the West the goal is to keep spending money and maximize enjoyment up to the end of life. This makes it difficult for many to make a graceful transition into death. Intense attachment to the material world makes it difficult to do spiritual travel both during life and after death.
It also usually helps to have faith in something beyond the material world at the time of death. Those with a strong faith in Jesus or another religious figure will be more calm and relaxed as they enter the bardo realms. While the religious person can look forward to heaven at the time of death, the spiritual traveler who has been trying to do spiritual travel all his or her life can also look forward to death in certain respects. This is because the opportunity for exploration and spiritual travel will hopefully be greatly expanded after death when the physical body and its needs will no longer be a major distraction. Of course the areas the spiritual traveler wishes to explore are the heavenly areas and beyond, and in that sense, he or she has much in common with other more conventional religious people.
Both have a distinct advantage over the secular individual because they expect to enter into a positive afterlife (heaven), and expectations have great power in the inner worlds. This expectation combined with love and devotion towards some religious ideal can propel the religious individual towards a heavenly state just as the practice of spiritual travel does. The secular individual with no faith or expectation of heaven is more likely to flounder after death and get stuck in some intermediate gray area surrounded by thoughts and emotions from the past waiting for something to happen.
A brief mention of ethics is appropriate when discussing the state a person enters at death. In general, both the state of mind of a soul and the world it inhabits is presumed to be the result of its past thought patterns and actions (karma). Trauma and intense pain whether experienced by the soul, or inflicted on another during life will tend to fragment the self and make conscious control after death difficult. Violence, cruelty, and hatred expressed towards others in life will almost certainly have a limiting effect on the soul’s freedom both in the after death state and in subsequent existences . This is true even for souls who have become proficient in spiritual travel during their life. Unethical actions during life seem to separate the soul from the knowledge and wisdom attained while living, and leave it helpless to experience the results of its actions in the afterlife.
Interestingly enough, some of the Western ideas of heaven and hell can be accounted for by the Tibetan notion of the second bardo. The saint or righteous soul will find itself in places of bliss, happiness, and light based on the kinds of thoughts it was in a habit of thinking, while the evil person will lead an existence of fear, anger, and torment in the afterlife. However, the second bardo is a temporary transitional state that actually precedes the longer term experiences of heaven, hell, or rebirth in the physical world which can occur following the third bardo.
Spiritualism as an Alternative View of the Afterlife
The focus of Buddhism in the afterlife is similar to its approach to earthly existence. The emphasis is on passion, and its restrictive and destructive consequences. It is therefore not surprising that the Buddhist view of after death states concentrates on desire as the mechanism which turns the dead into machines who must live out a karmic destiny in the afterlife. These individuals will exist in a depleted state of awareness with little freedom of choice during the bardo.
As an alternate and competing view of the afterlife, we will briefly examine the Western tradition of spiritualism which has been around for more than one hundred years, and is still popular in some quarters today.
The central conclusion of the data provided by the spiritualists and trance mediums is that dead people have scarcely more insight and wisdom in death than they had while alive. Such a proposition emphasizes the importance of learning spiritual skills such as spiritual travel while alive instead of hoping for spiritual redemption and transformation after death. Though the spiritualist’s view differs from Buddhism in the specifics, it supports the contention that people should not wait until death to begin learning since such a delay can result in a very limited and routine afterlife. We examine the spiritualist’s view on the page titled A Spiritualist’s Approach to After-Death States.
Kabir, the Hindu-Muslim poet of India, talks about the afterlife in an ambiguous way describing it as the “city of death” which could be consistent with either the Tibetan or Spiritualist’s view of the afterlife. He offers the following words which support the notion that a person who is limited in life will also be limited in death.
O friend! Hope for Him whilst you live, know while you live, understand while you live:
for in life deliverance abides.
If your bonds be not broken whilst living, what hope of deliverance in death?
It is but an empty dream that the soul shall have union with Him because it has passed from the body:
If He is found now, He is found them,
If not, we do but go to dwell in the city of Death.
If you have union now, you shall have it hereafter.
Bathe in the Truth, know the true Guru, have faith in the true Name.
Kabir says:
It is the spirit of the quest that helps;
I am the slave of the Spirit of the quest.
Songs of Kabir (York Beach, Maine: Samuel Weiser, Inc., 1991), pps. 46-47
..You’re wrong. And you’ve wasted the Internet’s space.
I repeat, paid or volunteer?
that was kind of interesting… and i did actually read it cuz i was curious where you were going with that comment. i found a few parallels to what the characters of lost may possibly have gone through. Although i doubt the writers had enough forethought to have planned it that way.
Am I supposed to read all of that? There’s even chinese characters in there. It was almost as padded as an episode of LOST
BOOM
TL;DR
I’m watching the west coast feed, but from what i’ve read here i’m going to prepare myself for major laughs
I like how Smokie is now conveniently mortal when the script needs him to be dead. Bravo. It’s truly the TV event of the decade.
i was wondering why kate even bothered the shoot him the second time
These are the kinds of logical questions LOST has forced me to ignore. And after he shot him, she should have said “It’s just been revoked”
After the light went out, he became mortal.
Where WAS Moses when the light went out?
OH, the light went out! Now it all makes sense! Give me a cocksucking break….
Well it DOES make sense. The light is what turned him into the beast, eliminate the light, you eliminate the beast, leaving a mortal man.
What doesn’t add up?
It makes total sense. When I go to bed at night, and turn off the light, I turn back into a mortal. Then the next day I wake up and fight crime.
Well good for you Pukster keep up the good work…..
so all Jacob had to do 2000 years ago was go in there and pop the cork for a minute or two…
What doesn’t make sense is why did Locke let Jack and Desmond go into the cave even that he knew that it could be a risk for him if Desmond turned the light off and let him with no supersmokey powers? Also makes no sense why did Locke could not kill Jack and everyone else since Jack is not Jacob and has no rules to follow (rules that they were never explained, of course).
why were there whispers of people who were stuck there, when they were all stuck there anyway?
I said it before the budda-spam:
You gotta kinda think that since the island is the mid-point of these realities, when exposed to these phenomenons you (mentally) can exhibit a commune with your otherself…The whispers get trapped on this place because the island shares a part of this “Dead-Reality”
It’s still silly I know.
i guess i just don’t get how michael was anymore stuck than the rest of them
Didn’t mean to spam. I apologise. However it is still easier than repeating snippets about the Tibetan Buddhism which they clearly hijacked for this show.
Won’t do it again. Nor likely have the chance to…
BOOM
LAME
We don’t have time to answer that now!
I think the show was meant to be the bermuda triangle. Then they changed it. I refuse to believe they knew what they were doing.
I refuse to believe this was plan all along, I refuse!!!
And why wasn’t Michael, who was astuck as a ghost not in the alt-verse?
And why weren’t Mike, who was astuck as a ghost not in the alt-verse?
Mike failed the purgatory test and will remain in LIMBO forever… or whatever.
What you mean the failled the purgatory test?
The island was real was no purgatory, was no test!!! They were alive on the island, the purgatory was on the Alt-Universe.
I know it is ridiculous but, what you expect after watching episodes like “Across the Sea”, I was expecting much worst!!
But Michael wasn’t at the church.
Or even Walt or Mr. Ecko or Ana Lucia or Faraday or etc.
I do not understand how come Libby is there and Ana Lucia or Faraday are not? makes no fucking sense.
WTFUCK!!!??? THIS IS NOT AN ENDING. ISNT THIS EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERENT GOING TO DO!?
So many unanswered questions lol.
They were all alive and experienced mysterious stuff for MEMORIES to think about when they die!?? LAUGH FUCKING OUT LOUD
KAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHN!!!
Talk about worst case scenario. You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. So everybody guessed the plot early in season 1, and the creators just denied, denied, denied.
I still don’t understand if they were supposed to have died in the plane crash, or… oh God… does it really matter.
Why would there be alternate realities and time travel in what is essentially purgatory.
Talk about shitting a mud slide. I shit one all by myself.
BOOM!
Con-job.
GOOD: many of us guessed the plot, down to details.
BAD: many of us were derided for years by the LOST cult.
GOOD: this will burn so many people that it will be a generation before this shit gets pulled again.
BAD: this shit will get pulled again.
Yeah I bet coming up with purgatory was a high-fiver back in the planning stages, and most fans figured it out and they shifted the entire thing to making the altverse purgatory…
I haven’t collected my thoughts quite yet…I wanna get flamed in style I guess…No apologies, I thought the Jack-Locke fight was pretty cool…Fox will have a poster of him air-jumping cliff rocks to Ryu-punch Locke hanging up in his dinner-hall…
BOOM
COFFIN
*Jack jumps through air*
FACLON-PUNCH
Imagine Darlton pitching that scene to Jack
Darlton: OK, in this scene, your character has just become aware that the show sucks. He wants to prevent a massive army of fanbois rising up and ripping Darlton to shreds. So you’re going to run and jump and punch.
Jack: But I’m a spinal surgeon!?!?
Darlton: Do it, or we’ll do yet another final moment rewrite and write you out like we did Widmore.
The time travel was real, and took place on the Island. I feel like this is going to be the new thing no matter how many times it is blatantly said, people won’t hear it.
Island. Was. Real. It all happened for real, within the show.
real or not the show still sucks
And that, my friends, is how the battle ends. With opinion.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it…..
Whats walt got to do with anything
Why is vincent special
Would the whole world have blown up or only the island
Why would it be so bad if MIB left the island
Why is Aaron so special
What the fuck is the island
Whats up with MIB and Jacob and these rules
Why did it take so long for MIB to try leave the island
Why couldn’t MIB and Jacob kill each other
What were the Dharma actually doing on the island
Why were the others so hostile to the survivors
Why WHY WHY
WHYWHWYWHYWHWYWHY
How did the donkey wheel??!?
Smoke Monster?
Pregnancy?
Locke predicting…everything?
Why did the others kidnap kids?
What was the temple?
Ash?
Sonic fence v smokie?
Visions?
We don’t have time for that right now… HAHA
U ALL ever-y-body (I have to keep changing the spelling or i get slammed for spamming)
Big finish never ask me that again…..
BOOM
LOST
is how you feel after watching six seasons of non-sensical garbage
That’s what I jokingly thought during seasons 1 or 2. That the title “LOST” is about how the viewer is supposed to feell in the end. In season 4, I knew that this would be the case.
Because of the nature of the ending, it provides ersatz closure to go with the ersatz show. Therefore, box set sales will be OK to good, and ABC will feel pleased. Darlton will then return their Obama style laser focus to Star Trek.
And ruin it forever.
DAAAAARLTOOOON!
DAAAAAAARLTOOOOOON!
I just wasted how many years of my life for this religious crap…
Holy crap!
So are the flash backs “REAL” then? They occur before the plane crash. Right?
They are unreliable, because they are memory not fact, but they are the review process in the bardo / purgatory. Like the smoke monster (second version – ie smokey) “scanning” people.
Right, because Desmond’s, Juliet etc’s who were NOT on the plane were in the church at the end…. hmmm….
Souls can meet each other, it’s just the world they meet each other in isn’t real. Like… we met here, right? But only in the sense of our avatars or incarnations meeting. Not “us”.
Tiger, you must stop spreading your lies!! Lol.
The only ‘bardo purgatory’ deal is the Alt Universe. Hell, Christian explains it pretty damn well in the end, as far as LOST goes. You guys complain about no answers,
Christian: “It all happened. It was real.” or something like that. Listen to what they’re saying.
# Chönyid bardo is the fifth bardo of the
luminosity of the true nature
which commences after the final ‘inner breath’
(Sanskrit: prana, vayu; Tibetan: rlung). It is within this Bardo that
visions and auditory phenomena occur.
Sentient beings who have not practiced during their lived experience and/or who do not recognize the clear light (Tibetan: od gsal) at the moment of death are
usually deluded
throughout the fifth bardo of luminosity.
# Sidpai bardo is the sixth bardo of becoming or transmigration. This bardo endures until the inner-breath commences in the
new transmigrating form
determined by the ‘karmic seeds’
within the
storehouse consciousness.
Sounds like LOST.
Please, please, stop quoting that damned thing. A lot of things are similar. Hell, you can quote the Bible and you’ll run into a lot of Jacob/MIB stuff. They reference a ton of shit. It is not this bardo deal, though, I promise you! lol.
How are you so positive it is not? His theory holds up as good as yours…..
Basically it is a variation of it was all in their heads.
You feel that? That is your collective prostates being hammered by the massive FUCK YOU cock of Darlton. They totally ass-raped us and we bent over like bitches and took it.
The ending was a cop out. Instead of explaining the ISLAND events, they explained the SIDEWAYS events with a cheap PURGATORY cop out.
Six years, wasted.
HAHAHA I do feel like I just got fucked in the ass hard.
Hey now speak for yourself there, I took nothing up nowhere. If anybody is doing any rapeing around here it’s gonna be me doing it…..
I am never watching any series that cannot resolve everything in 1/2 hour. One hour tops!
Retarded writers kept stringing everyone along with the SOLE PURPOSE of keeping ratings up. I don;t think they were intelligent or diligent enough to be able to keep up with all the BULLSHIT they created, so they simply made up an emotional ending, with lots of violins playing in the background and call it quits…
- WTF is the island?
- WTF was so special about Walt?
- WTF built the light well?
- WTF was the light?
- WTF built the statue?
- WTF was the smoke monster?
- WTF did the island’s light well needed protecting if anyone who got in there died (IF they could find it)?
- WTF were all the other people from the flight? Not good enough for the church? Not even Jacob and his brother?! Or Richard?!?!
- WTF picked the first island protector?
- WTF was Richard doing with the Dharma Initiative, away from the island?
- WTF happened to the Dharma Initiative and HTF did they find the island in the first place?
This kind of crap is only a little bit better than shows that quit in the middle of the story line.
Fuckyou very much.
I used to be like you. Now I feel like a rape victim who confronted their rapists in court and then watched him be acquitted, and now I just want to get on with my life.
Malaka is right.
Mαλάκας even.
the 4815162342 forum is DOWN. Looks like it was taken down, not crashed, it can’t connect to the database. Might have crashed with traffic, owner might have shot it in the head.
My theory is negative response. I can tell over at the facebook group everyone hated the finale b/c instead of harrasing me for voicing my opinion, they are now only ignoring me.
Why weren’t any of the black characters in the church? The show’s creators are racist.
LOL!
I think the show makes pretty good sense, considering what we’ve been shown for six seasons.
The Island is real. No doubt about it. They said it was not purgatory, and it isn’t. No lie involed.
The sideways was a kind of purgatory, where they needed to be shown what was important in their lives, (most of what happened on the Island), and be reunited with their loved ones to ‘move one’.
At first I disliked it, because what the hell does that mean for the Island and all of that? But, they have said time and time again it isn’t so much about the island as it is about the characters. The Island just happened to be a really, really intriguing place for this story to take place. Characters come first though, and they did.
Except none of the island events made any sense. The way how characters behaved and changed their behavior didn’t make sense.
I want answers to what happened on the Island. It was often portrayed like a character. And it’s just bad storytelling to present all these mysteries as if they are integral to the plot and then just let them fizzle away.
They were in the black church next door, with President Obama.
Rose?
token.
What happened to Miles dad?
So, why others were stealing kids again?
They took them to experiment, I think, because they knew kids shouldn’t be there, because pregnant women die. Call it…curiosity.
Utter. Rubbish. Actually look at the episodes. What you say disregards everything. Paid or volunteer?
Are you talking about the kids or my posts in particular? Why they took them, hell, I dunno, of course there are loose ends. What matters most was explained I think sufficiently enough, though. I thought I’d be mad with not exactly knowing what the Island is–exactly–but that wasn’t the story. We were told enough to grasp it, but its bigger than that, and its bigger than the characters. They just got caught up in it, but it is about them. And their story was ultimately closed, I feel.
Loose ends? How about logical inconsistencies.
Dude you need to take your ass over to one of them fanbois sites!!! This is why lost sucks. I am happy that you seen the light but you are becoming very annoying…..
Why did Jacob bring Desmond back if Desmond was the only thing that Smokie could use to destroy the island? Why did Jacob fuck people up by bringing them to the island, if they could be convinced to kill him by MiB?
Why wouldn’t Jacob let smokie leave?
If you disagree that lost made no sense, then you are wrong.
If they were all dead how did Sayid and Shannon hook up?
Er, they hooked up on the Island, fell in love. Then died at some point in time, then re-hook up in Alt (purgatory) Universe. I think the only REAL death you see might be Jack’s.
We all guessed it right from season 1 “Purgatory”…. How very weak.
You guessed wrong. Wasn’t purgatory.
Christ, did anybody WATCH the episode? I mean, really? Did ANYBODY hear Christian affirm to Jack that it did all happen? Or do you just pick and choose what to hear to make complaining easier?
so you just believe what one ghosts says to another.
oops ghost
What kind of argument is that? lol. I beleive what the show, which I am watching, tells me, until they tell me differently. That…is how ‘watching TV’ goes!
so you believe that smoke monsters are real?
In LOST, yes, he is very real.
everything in a real tv show is real. just like when the tv show shows you multiple scenarios within multiple scenarios.
you know you you can’t prove your point. no one arguing against you can prve theirs either. what’s the point?
We’re discussing, not arguing. Unless you’re arguing. I’m not. And what point am I trying to …prove? I’m just reiterating what was said IN the show; the Island was real, it happened. You guys are the ones arguing it was purgatory the whole time and they’ve been dead and this and that. Sorry, but not the case!
Rael lak, the way things work here is we establish that Darlton are wrong, then we use facts (insults) to prove this premise.
shouldn’t you be celebrating with a group jerk on a pro-lost site?
This is the second, perhaps third time here I’ve answered a question reasonably, and in return, instead of a, “Well you’re wrong because of this…”, I got someone poorly insulting me. No feelings hurt here, mind you. Just wish you guys were as passionate about fighting LOST as I am with defending it. Seems you ultimately resort to, “…..er….well…fuck you!”. It’s all good though!
“er well fuck you” is kind of the ending the writers gave the show you’re defending.
Haha, that was funny. Sorry you didn’t enjoy it. I didn’t like it at first, either, but I do now that I think I understand it better.
Rael lak I keep lower my standards, I went from wanting all the answers, to wanting some of the answers, to wanting a logical conclusion, to wanting only to know MIB’s name. Instead we get a show with ZERO answers. And no the whole purgatory (glorified dream)
answerangle is not an answer. It is a response to Darlton writing themselves into a corner.Feel free to post here, but we’ve suffered so much at the hands of LOST that if you defend it you are bound to get profanity thrown your way.
just trying to save you energy. It’s not like your attempts to defend the show are going to make someone go “aha so this show was great all along”. At this point in time no one here (non-troll) is going to say anything positive about this show.
Nah, I’m not trying to convince anybody of anything. I came here originally to complain, as well. But when people are asking questions or saying things that are just false, meh, I try to butt in. Complaining is great–let’s just complain about stuff that actually happened. Complaining about it being purgatory the whole time and all that junk just isn’t true. LOST gave us much more to complain about that IS true!
the reason why i argue with you is because we’ve been shown that a lot of what happened never really happened. a lot of what the characters said to each other was not true or out of ignorance, so how can you place so much importance on what christian said, when he probably doesn’t have a clue either?
You’re right, what we’ve been told before very frequently was not the truth. But we only knew those weren’t truths when they were revealed to be false. Since this is the last episode, I’m pretty sure we can take what they said in the end as real, as canon. I mean, if it wasn’t…they’d explain another reason. Since they didn’t, then the last explanation must be the correct one, right?
In other words, until the more LOST comes on and says, “Nah uh–THIS is what happened,” I’m going with what Christian said.
i would extrapolate. it’s just another test.
Rae lak, I’ve addressed this before. Everything on the show is vague b/c in a later episode they will contradict it. The only exception here is that there are no more episodes left for contradictions. Ergo, I will have to assume that it would have been contradicted. Call it, faith =P
They all died in the plane crash.
1. A plane breaks up in mid-air and most survive?
2. Smoke Monsters on a real island?
Not to mention everything else…
Christian was referring to the relationships they built together while in Purgatory, trying to redeem their lives in order to “move on.”
“It” did all happen? What “it” are you referring to? Are you sure “it” is the same “it” that Christian Shepherd (where was Lou Cipher in this whole thing btw) is referring to?
So all they answered was what is the sideways universe, which was made up in this season and had nothing to do with anything? Seriously?
NO
There were no answers. There wasn’t even an episode. It’s like a night out on the town with too many jagerbombs. I’m desperately trying to remember something. Anything. But it’s just blank. Sure I remember a hill here, and a ladder there, and a Jack run through the air HADUUKEN, but nothing tangible.
“flawless victory”. dae kim should totally have been there to say that and “your soul belongs to me”
I predicted that in the finale Carlton would shoot up and say “Whoopsee”
All dentists agree that 80% of the universe hated the Lost finale, but they have fewer cavities!
Just ask Bernard.
I just watched jimmey kimmel web thing, he said that the blu-ray will explain many things like Walt
he grew up too fast. i just saved you some money
kind of bullshit by trying to make more money, when they has an entire season to answer many of the questions
HAHAHA Bluray 6 season set with commentary by Matt
What Kate Did: “In this episode Kate blows up her step dad. Later Darlton want even more drama so they change the plot so it’s really her dad”
What Kate Does: “Kate and Claire are lesbians. ”
Stranger in a Strange Land: “Jack fucks a prostitute. Learns how to fly a kite”
Across the Sea: “Titus Welliver tries to not completely overshadow Jacob as MIB. Alison Janney deliberately uses American-Latin accent.”
What They Died For: “We never figure out what they died for”
The End: “Free at last. Thank god almighty you’re free at last”.
Now that wasn’t half bad…..
Nice. I like it.
My all time favourite is still the Lost in 8:16 recap. I swear the lady was reading the official script of Lost.
LOL!
LOL so the long con ain’t done yet!
Nothing will be revealed on the blu-ray, which will create yet new mysteries. I guess maybe one mystery that first appeared in the blu-ray will be revealed.
Don’t be conned into buying all the Lost dvd’s!
One shouldn’t even bother obtaining them for free.
Tyler and company- be honored! This site is enough of a threat to attract an honest to goodness Obama style troll patrol member to put out the fires of rage with their warm yellow stream of truth telling (not).
Internet Office of the Holy See Catechism of the Catholic Church
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
CONTENTS
APOSTOLIC LETTER
LAETAMUR MAGNOPERE
IN WHICH THE LATIN TYPICAL EDITION OF THE
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
IS APPROVED AND PROMULGATED
APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION
FIDEI DEPOSITUM
ON THE PUBLICATION OF THE
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
PREPARED FOLLOWING THE SECOND VATICAN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL
PROLOGUE
I. The Life of Man – To Know and Love God
II. Handing on the Faith: Catechesis
III. The Aim and Intended Readership of This Catechism
IV. Structure of This Catechism
V. Practical Directions for Using This Catechism
VI. Necessary Adaptations
PART ONE – THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
SECTION ONE: “I BELIEVE” – “WE BELIEVE”
CHAPTER ONE: MAN’S CAPACITY FOR GOD
I. The Desire for God
II. Ways of Coming to Know God
III. The Knowledge of God According to the Church
IV. How Can We Speak about God?
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER TWO: GOD COMES TO MEET MAN
ARTICLE 1: THE REVELATION OF GOD
I. God Reveals His “Plan of Loving Goodness”
II. The Stages of Revelation
III. Christ Jesus – “Mediator and Fullness of All Revelation”
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: THE TRANSMISSION OF DIVINE REVELATION
I. Apostolic Tradition
II. The Relationship between Tradition and Sacred Scripture
III. The Interpretation of the Heritage of Faith
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 3: SACRED SCRIPTURE
I. Christ – The unique Word of Sacred Scripture
II. Inspiration and Truth of Sacred Scripture
III. The Holy Spirit, Interpreter of Scripture
IV. The Canon of Scripture
V. Sacred Scripture in the Life of the Church
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER THREE: MAN’S RESPONSE TO GOD
ARTICLE 1: I BELIEVE
I. The Obedience of Faith
II. “I Know Whom I Have Believed”
III. The Characteristics of Faith
ARTICLE 2: WE BELIEVE
I. “Lord, Look Upon the Faith of Your Church”
II. The Language of Faith
III. Only One Faith
IN BRIEF
The Credo Chart
SECTION TWO: THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
The Creeds
CHAPTER ONE: I BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER
ARTICLE 1: “I BELIEVE IN GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH”
Paragraph 1. I Believe in God
I. “I Believe in One God”
II. God Reveals His Name
III. God, “He Who Is,” Is Truth and Love
IV. The Implications of Faith in One God
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 2. The Father
I. “In the Name of the Father and of the Son
and of the Holy Spirit”
II. The Revelation of God as Trinity
III. The Holy Trinity in the Teaching of the Faith
IV. The Divine Works and the Trinitarian Missions
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 3. The Almighty
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 4. The Creator
I. Catechesis on Creation
II. Creation – Work of the Holy Trinity
III. “The World Was Created for the Glory of God”
IV. The Mystery of Creation
V. God Carries Out His Plan: Divine Providence
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 5. Heaven and Earth
I. The Angels
II. The Visible World
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 6. Man
I. “In the Image of God”
II. “Body and Soul but Truly One”
III. “Male and Female He Created Them”
IV. Man in Paradise
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 7. The Fall
I. Where Sin Abounded, Grace Abounded All the More
II. The Fall of the Angels
III. Original Sin
IV. “You Did Not Abandon Him to the Power of Death”
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER TWO: I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD
ARTICLE 2: “AND IN JESUS CHRIST, HIS ONLY SON, OUR LORD”
I. Jesus
II. Christ
III. The Only Son of God
IV. Lord
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 3: “HE WAS CONCEIVED BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,
AND WAS BORN OF THE VIRGIN MARY”
Paragraph 1. The Son of God Became Man
I. Why Did the Word Become Flesh?
II. The Incarnation
III. True God and True Man
IV. How Is the Son of God Man?
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 2. “Conceived by the Power of the Holy Spirit and Born of the Virgin Mary”
I. Conceived by the Power of the Holy Spirit. . .
II. . . .Born of the Virgin Mary
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 3. “The Mysteries of Christ’s Life”
I. Christ’s Whole Life Is Mystery
II. The Mysteries of Jesus’ Infancy and Hidden Life
III. The Mysteries of Jesus’ Public Life
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 4: “JESUS CHRIST SUFFERED UNDER PONTIUS
PILATE, WAS CRUCIFIED, DIED, AND WAS BURIED”
Paragraph 1. Jesus and Israel
I. Jesus and the Law
II. Jesus and the Temple
III. Jesus and Israel’s Faith in the One God and Savior
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 2. Jesus Died Crucified
I. The Trial of Jesus
II. Christ’s Redemptive Death in God’s Plan of Salvation
III. Christ Offered Himself to his Father for Our Sins
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 3. Jesus Christ Was Buried
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 5: “HE DESCENDED INTO HELL ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN”
Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 2. On the Third Day He Rose from the Dead
I. The Historical and Transcendent Event
II. The Resurrection – A Work of the Holy Trinity
III. The Meaning and Saving Significance of the Resurrection
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 6: “HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN AND IS SEATED”
AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER”
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 7: “FROM THENCE HE WILL COME AGAIN”
TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD”
I. He Will Come Again in Glory
II. To Judge the Living and the Dead
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER THREE: I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT
ARTICLE 8: “I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT”
I. The Joint Mission of the Son and the Spirit
II. The Names, Titles, and Symbols of the Holy Spirit
III. God’s Spirit and Word in the Time of the Promises
IV. The Spirit of Christ in the Fullness of Time
V. The Spirit and the Church in the Last Days
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 9: “I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH”
Paragraph 1. The Church in God’s Plan
I. Names and Images of the Church
II. The Church’s Origin, Foundation, and Mission
III. The Mystery of the Church
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 2. The Church – People of God, Body of Chrict, Temple of the Holy Spirit
I. The Church – People of God
II. The Church – Body of Chirst
III. The Church is the Temple of the Holy Spirit
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 3. The Church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic
I. The Church Is One
II. The Church Is Holy
III. The Church Is Catholic
IV. The Church Is Apostolic
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 4. Christ’s Faithful – Hierarchy, Laity, Consecrated Life
I. The Hierarchical Constitution of the Church
II. The Lay Faithful
III. The Consecrated Life
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 5. The Communion of Saints
I. Communion in Spiritual Goods
II. The Communion of the Church of Heaven and Earth
IN BRIEF
Paragraph 6. Mary – Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church
I. Mary’s Motherhood with Regard to the Church
II. Devotion to the Blessed Virgin
III. Mary – Eschatological Icon of the Church
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 10: “I BELIEVE IN THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS”
I. One Baptism for the Forgiveness of Sins
II. The Power of the Keys
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 11: “I BELIEVE IN THE RESURRECTION OF THE BODY”
I. Christ’s Resurrection and Ours
II. Dying in Jesus Christ
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 12: “I BELIEVE IN LIFE EVERLASTING”
I. The Particular Judgement
II. Heaven
III. The Final Purification, or Purgatory
IV. Hell
V. The Last Judgement
VI. The Hope of the New Heaven and the New Earth
IN BRIEF
“Amen”
PART TWO – THE CELEBRATION OF THE CHRISTIAN MYSTERY
SECTION ONE: THE SACRAMENTAL ECONOMY
CHAPTER ONE: THE PASCHAL MYSTERY IN THE AGE OF THE CHURCH
ARTICLE 1: THE LITURGY – WORK OF THE HOLY TRINITY
I. The Father – Source and Goal of the Liturgy
II. Christ’s Work in the Liturgy
III. The Holy Spirit and the Church in the Liturgy
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: THE PASCHAL MYSTERY IN THE CHURCH’S SACRAMENTS
I. The Sacraments of Christ
II. The Sacraments of the Church
III. The Sacraments of Faith
IV. The Sacraments of Salvation
V. The Sacraments of Eternal Life
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER TWO: THE SACRAMENTAL CELEBRATION
ARTICLE 1: CELEBRATING THE CHURCH’S LITURGY
I. Who Celebrates?
II. How Is the Liturgy Celebrated?
III. When Is the Liturgy Celebrated?
IV. Where Is the Liturgy Celebrated?
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: LITURGICAL DIVERSITY AND THE UNITY OF THE MYSTERY
IN BRIEF
SECTION TWO: THE SEVEN SACRAMENTS OF THE CHURCH
CHAPTER ONE: THE SACRAMENTS OF CHRISTIAN INITIATION
ARTICLE 1: THE SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM
I. What Is the Sacarament Called?
II. Baptism in the Economy of Salvation
III. How Is the Sacrament of Baptism Celebrated?
IV. Who Can Receive Baptism?
V. Who Can Baptize?
VI. The Necessity of Baptism?
VII. The Grace of Baptism
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: THE SACRAMENT OF CONFIRMATION
I. Confirmation in the Economy of Salvation
II. The Signs and the Rite of Confirmation
III. The Effects of Confirmation
IV. Who Can Receive This Sacrament?
V. The Minister of Confirmation
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 3: THE SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST
I. The Eucharist – Source and Summit of the Ecclesial Life
II. What Is This Sacrament Called?
III. The Eucharist in the Economy of Salvation
IV. The Liturgical Celebration of the Eucharist
V. The Sacramental Sacrifice: Thanksgiving, Memorial, Presence
VI. The Pascal Banquet
VII. The Eucharist – “Pledge of the Glory to Come”
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER TWO: THE SACRAMENTS OF HEALING
ARTICLE 4: THE SACRAMENT OF PENANCE AND RECONCILIATION
I. What Is This Sacrament Called?
II. Why a Sacrament of Reconciliation after Baptism?
III. The Conversion of the Baptized
IV. Interior Penance
V. The Many Forms of Penance in Christian Life
VI. The Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation
VII. The Acts of the Penitent
VIII. The Minister of This Sacrament
IX. The Effects of This Sacrament
X. Indulgences
XI. The Celbration of the Sacrament of Penance
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 5: THE ANOINTING OF THE SICK
I. It’s Foundation in the Economy of Salvation
II. Who Recieves and Who Administers This Sacramant?
III. How Is This Sacrament Celebrated?
IV. The Effects of the Celebration of This Sacrament
V. Viaticum, the Last Sacrament of the Christian
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER THREE: THE SACRAMENTS AT THE SERVICE OF COMMUNION
ARTICLE 6: THE SACRAMENT OF HOLY ORDERS
I. Why Is This Sacrament Called “Orders”?
II. The Sacramant of Holy Orders in the Economy of Salvation
III. The Three Degrees of the Sacrament of Holy Orders
IV. The Celebration of This Sacrament
V. Who Can Confer This Sacrament?
VI. Who Can Receive This Sacrament?
VII. The Effects of the Sacrament of Holy Orders
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 7: THE SACRAMENT OF MATRIMONY
I. Marriage in God’s Plan
II. The Celebration of Marriage
III. Matrimonial Consent
IV. The Effects of the Sacrament of Matrimony
V. The Goods and Requirements of Conjugal Love
VI. The Domestic Church
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER FOUR: OTHER LITURGICAL CELEBRATIONS
ARTICLE 1: SACRAMENTALS
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: CHRISTIAN FUNERALS
I. The Christian’s Last Passover
II. The Celebration of Funerals
PART THREE – LIFE IN CHRIST
SECTION ONE: MAN’S VOCATION: LIFE IN THE SPIRIT
CHAPTER ONE: THE DIGNITY OF THE HUMAN PERSON
ARTICLE 1: MAN: THE IMAGE OF GOD
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: OUR VOCATION TO BEATITUDE
I. The Beatitudes
II. The Desire for Happiness
III. Christian Beatitude
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 3: MAN’S FREEDOM
I. Freedom and Responsibility
II. Human Freedom in the Economy of Salvation
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 4: THE MORALITY OF HUMAN ACTS
I. The Sources of Morality
II. Good Acts and Evil Acts
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 5: THE MORALITY OF THE PASSIONS
I. Passions
II. Passions and Moral Life
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 6: MORAL CONSCIENCE
I. The Judgement of Conscience
II. The Formation of Conscience
III. To Choose in Accord with Conscience
IV. Erroneous Judgement
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 7: THE VIRTUES
I. The Human Virtues
II. The Theological Virtues
III. The Gifts and Fruits of the Holy Spirit
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 8: SIN
I. Mercy and Sin
II. The Definition of Sin
III. The Different Kinds of Sins
IV. The Gravity of Sin: Mortal and Venial Sin
V. The Proliferation of Sin
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER TWO: THE HUMAN COMMUNITY
ARTICLE 1: THE PERSON AND SOCIETY
I. The Communal Character of the Human Vocation
II. Conversion and Society
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: PARTICIPATION IN SOCIAL LIFE
I. Authority
II. The Common Good
III. Responsibility and Participation
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 3: SOCIAL JUSTICE
I. Respect for the Human Person
II. Equality and Differences among Men
III. Human Solidarity
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER THREE: GOD’S SALVATION: LAW AND GRACE
ARTICLE 1: THE MORAL LAW
I. The Natural Moral Law
II. The Old Law
III. The New Law or the Law of the Gospel
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: GRACE AND JUSTIFICATION
I. Justification
II. Grace
III. Merit
IV. Christian Holiness
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 3: THE CHURCH, MOTHER AND TEACHER
I. Moral Life and the Magisterium of the Church
II. The Precepts of the Church
III. Moral Life and Missionary Witness
IN BRIEF
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS CHART
SECTION TWO: THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER ONE: “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOU GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART,
AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND”
ARTICLE 1: THE FIRST COMMANDMENT
I. “You Shall Worship the Lord Your God and Him Only Shall You Serve”
II. “Him Only Shall You Serve”
III. “You Shall Have No Other Gods before Me”
IV. “You Shall Not Make for Yourself a Graven Image”
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: THE SECOND COMMANDMENT
I. The Name of the Lord Is Holy
II. Taking the Name of the Lord in Vain
III. The Christian Name
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 3: THE THIRD COMMANDMENT
I. The Sabbath Day
II. The Lord’s Day
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER TWO: “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF”
ARTICLE 4: THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT
I. The Family in God’s Plan
II. The Family and Society
III. The Duties of Family and the Kingdom
IV. The Family and the Kingdom
V. The Authorities in Civil Society
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 5: THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT
I. Respect for Human Life
II. Respect for the Dignity of Persons
III. Safeguarding Peace
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 6: THE SIXTH COMMANDMENT
I. “Male and Female He Created Them . . .”
II. The Vocation to Chastity
III. The Love of Husband and Wife
IV. Offenses against the Dignity of Marriage
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 7: THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT
I. The Universal Destination and the Private Ownership of Goods
II. Respect for Persons and Their Goods
III. The Social Doctrine of the Church
IV. Economic Activity and Social Justice
V. Justice and Solidarity among Nations
VI. Love for the Poor
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 8: THE EIGHTH COMMANDMENT
I. Living in the Truth
II. To Bear Witness to the Truth
III. Offenses against Truth
IV. Respect for the Truth
V. The Use of the Social Communications Media
VI. Truth, Beauty, and Sacred Art
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 9: THE NINTH COMMANDMENT
I. Purification of the Heart
II. The Battle for Purity
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 10: THE TENTH COMMANDMENT
I. The Disorder of Covetous Desires
II. The Desires of the Spirit
III. Poverty of Heart
IV. “I Want to See God”
IN BRIEF
PART FOUR – CHRISTIAN PRAYER
SECTION ONE: PRAYER IN THE CHRISTIAN LIFE
WHAT IS PRAYER?
CHAPTER ONE: THE REVELATION OF PRAYER
THE UNIVERSAL CALL TO PRAYER
ARTICLE 1: IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 3: IN THE AGE OF THE CHURCH
I. Blessing and Adoration
II. Prayer of Petition
III. Prayer of Intercession
IV. Prayer of Thanksgiving
V. Prayer of Praise
IN BRIEF
CHAPTER TWO: THE TRADITION OF PRAYER
ARTICLE 1: AT THE WELLSPRINGS OF PRAYER
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: THE WAY OF PRAYER
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 3: GUIDES FOR PRAYER
CHAPTER THREE: THE LIFE OF PRAYER
ARTICLE 1: EXPRESSIONS OF PRAYER
I. Vocal Prayer
II. Meditation
III. Contemplative Prayer
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: THE BATTLE OF PRAYER
I. Objections to Prayer
II. Humble Vigilance of Heart
III. Filial Trust
IV. Perserving in Love
ARTICLE 3: THE PRAYER OF THE HOUR OF JESUS
IN BRIEF
SECTION TWO: THE LORD’S PRAYER: “OUR FATHER!”
ARTICLE 1: “THE SUMMARY OF THE WHOLE GOSPEL”
I. At the Center of the Scriptures
II. “The Lord’s Prayer”
III. The Prayer of the Church
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 2: “OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN”
I. “We Dare to Say”
II. “Father!”
III. “Our” Father
IV. “Who Art in Heaven”
IN BRIEF
ARTICLE 3: “THE SEVEN PETITIONS”
I. “Hallowed Be Thy Name”
II. “Thy Kingdom Come”
III. “The Will Be Done on Earth as It Is in Heaven”
IV. “Give Us This Day Our Daily Bread”
V. “And Forgive us Our Trespasses, as We Forgive Those Who Trespass against Us”
VI. “And Lead Us Not into Temptation”
VII. “But Deliver Us From Evil”
ARTICLE 4: THE FINAL DOXOLOGY
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The Holy SeeCatechism of the Catholic Church
PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
SECTION ONE
“I BELIEVE” – “WE BELIEVE”
26 We begin our profession of faith by saying: “I believe” or “We believe”. Before expounding the Church’s faith, as confessed in the Creed, celebrated in the liturgy and lived in observance of God’s commandments and in prayer, we must first ask what “to believe” means. Faith is man’s response to God, who reveals himself and gives himself to man, at the same time bringing man a superabundant light as he searches for the ultimate meaning of his life. Thus we shall consider first that search (Chapter One), then the divine Revelation by which God comes to meet man (Chapter Two), and finally the response of faith (Chapter Three).
CHAPTER ONE
MAN’S CAPACITY FOR GOD
I. THE DESIRE FOR GOD
27 The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God; and God never ceases to draw man to himself. Only in God will he find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for:
The dignity of man rests above all on the fact that he is called to communion with God. This invitation to converse with God is addressed to man as soon as he comes into being. For if man exists it is because God has created him through love, and through love continues to hold him in existence. He cannot live fully according to truth unless he freely acknowledges that love and entrusts himself to his creator.1
28 In many ways, throughout history down to the present day, men have given expression to their quest for God in their religious beliefs and behavior: in their prayers, sacrifices, rituals, meditations, and so forth. These forms of religious expression, despite the ambiguities they often bring with them, are so universal that one may well call man a religious being:
From one ancestor [God] made all nations to inhabit the whole earth, and he allotted the times of their existence and the boundaries of the places where they would live, so that they would search for God and perhaps grope for him and find him – though indeed he is not far from each one of us. For “in him we live and move and have our being.”2
29 But this “intimate and vital bond of man to God” (GS 19 § 1) can be forgotten, overlooked, or even explicitly rejected by man.3 Such attitudes can have different causes: revolt against evil in the world; religious ignorance or indifference; the cares and riches of this world; the scandal of bad example on the part of believers; currents of thought hostile to religion; finally, that attitude of sinful man which makes him hide from God out of fear and flee his call.4
30 “Let the hearts of those who seek the LORD rejoice.”5 Although man can forget God or reject him, He never ceases to call every man to seek him, so as to find life and happiness. But this search for God demands of man every effort of intellect, a sound will, “an upright heart”, as well as the witness of others who teach him to seek God.
You are great, O Lord, and greatly to be praised: great is your power and your wisdom is without measure. And man, so small a part of your creation, wants to praise you: this man, though clothed with mortality and bearing the evidence of sin and the proof that you withstand the proud. Despite everything, man, though but a small a part of your creation, wants to praise you. You yourself encourage him to delight in your praise, for you have made us for yourself, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.6
II. WAYS OF COMING TO KNOW GOD
31 Created in God’s image and called to know and love him, the person who seeks God discovers certain ways of coming to know him. These are also called proofs for the existence of God, not in the sense of proofs in the natural sciences, but rather in the sense of “converging and convincing arguments”, which allow us to attain certainty about the truth. These “ways” of approaching God from creation have a twofold point of departure: the physical world, and the human person.
32 The world: starting from movement, becoming, contingency, and the world’s order and beauty, one can come to a knowledge of God as the origin and the end of the universe.
As St. Paul says of the Gentiles: For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made.7
And St. Augustine issues this challenge: Question the beauty of the earth, question the beauty of the sea, question the beauty of the air distending and diffusing itself, question the beauty of the sky. . . question all these realities. All respond: “See, we are beautiful.” Their beauty is a profession [confessio]. These beauties are subject to change. Who made them if not the Beautiful One [Pulcher] who is not subject to change?8
33 The human person: with his openness to truth and beauty, his sense of moral goodness, his freedom and the voice of his conscience, with his longings for the infinite and for happiness, man questions himself about God’s existence. In all this he discerns signs of his spiritual soul. The soul, the “seed of eternity we bear in ourselves, irreducible to the merely material”,9 can have its origin only in God.
34 The world, and man, attest that they contain within themselves neither their first principle nor their final end, but rather that they participate in Being itself, which alone is without origin or end. Thus, in different ways, man can come to know that there exists a reality which is the first cause and final end of all things, a reality “that everyone calls God”.10
35 Man’s faculties make him capable of coming to a knowledge of the existence of a personal God. But for man to be able to enter into real intimacy with him, God willed both to reveal himself to man and to give him the grace of being able to welcome this revelation in faith. The proofs of God’s existence, however, can predispose one to faith and help one to see that faith is not opposed to reason.
III. THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD ACCORDING TO THE CHURCH
36 “Our holy mother, the Church, holds and teaches that God, the first principle and last end of all things, can be known with certainty from the created world by the natural light of human reason.”11 Without this capacity, man would not be able to welcome God’s revelation. Man has this capacity because he is created “in the image of God”.12
37 In the historical conditions in which he finds himself, however, man experiences many difficulties in coming to know God by the light of reason alone:
Though human reason is, strictly speaking, truly capable by its own natural power and light of attaining to a true and certain knowledge of the one personal God, who watches over and controls the world by his providence, and of the natural law written in our hearts by the Creator; yet there are many obstacles which prevent reason from the effective and fruitful use of this inborn faculty. For the truths that concern the relations between God and man wholly transcend the visible order of things, and, if they are translated into human action and influence it, they call for self-surrender and abnegation. The human mind, in its turn, is hampered in the attaining of such truths, not only by the impact of the senses and the imagination, but also by disordered appetites which are the consequences of original sin. So it happens that men in such matters easily persuade themselves that what they would not like to be true is false or at least doubtful.13
38 This is why man stands in need of being enlightened by God’s revelation, not only about those things that exceed his understanding, but also “about those religious and moral truths which of themselves are not beyond the grasp of human reason, so that even in the present condition of the human race, they can be known by all men with ease, with firm certainty and with no admixture of error”. 14
IV. HOW CAN WE SPEAK ABOUT GOD?
39 In defending the ability of human reason to know God, the Church is expressing her confidence in the possibility of speaking about him to all men and with all men, and therefore of dialogue with other religions, with philosophy and science, as well as with unbelievers and atheists.
40 Since our knowledge of God is limited, our language about him is equally so. We can name God only by taking creatures as our starting point, and in accordance with our limited human ways of knowing and thinking.
41 All creatures bear a certain resemblance to God, most especially man, created in the image and likeness of God. The manifold perfections of creatures – their truth, their goodness, their beauty all reflect the infinite perfection of God. Consequently we can name God by taking his creatures” perfections as our starting point, “for from the greatness and beauty of created things comes a corresponding perception of their Creator”.15
42 God transcends all creatures. We must therefore continually purify our language of everything in it that is limited, image-bound or imperfect, if we are not to confuse our image of God–”the inexpressible, the incomprehensible, the invisible, the ungraspable”–with our human representations.16 Our human words always fall short of the mystery of God.
43 Admittedly, in speaking about God like this, our language is using human modes of expression; nevertheless it really does attain to God himself, though unable to express him in his infinite simplicity. Likewise, we must recall that “between Creator and creature no similitude can be expressed without implying an even greater dissimilitude”;17 and that “concerning God, we cannot grasp what he is, but only what he is not, and how other beings stand in relation to him.”18
IN BRIEF
44 Man is by nature and vocation a religious being. Coming from God, going toward God, man lives a fully human life only if he freely lives by his bond with God.
45 Man is made to live in communion with God in whom he finds happiness: When I am completely united to you, there will be no more sorrow or trials; entirely full of you, my life will be complete (St. Augustine, Conf. 10, 28, 39: PL 32, 795}.
46 When he listens to the message of creation and to the voice of conscience, man can arrive at certainty about the existence of God, the cause and the end of everything.
47 The Church teaches that the one true God, our Creator and Lord, can be known with certainty from his works, by the natural light of human reason (cf. Vatican Council I, can. 2 § 1: DS 3026),
48 We really can name God, starting from the manifold perfections of his creatures, which are likenesses of the infinitely perfect God, even if our limited language cannot exhaust the mystery.
49 Without the Creator, the creature vanishes (GS 36). This is the reason why believers know that the love of Christ urges them to bring the light of the living God to those who do not know him or who reject him.
PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
SECTION ONE
“I BELIEVE” – “WE BELIEVE”
CHAPTER TWO
GOD COMES TO MEET MAN
50 By natural reason man can know God with certainty, on the basis of his works. But there is another order of knowledge, which man cannot possibly arrive at by his own powers: the order of divine Revelation.1 Through an utterly free decision, God has revealed himself and given himself to man. This he does by revealing the mystery, his plan of loving goodness, formed from all eternity in Christ, for the benefit of all men. God has fully revealed this plan by sending us his beloved Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
ARTICLE 1
THE REVELATION OF GOD
I. GOD REVEALS HIS “PLAN OF LOVING GOODNESS”
51 “It pleased God, in his goodness and wisdom, to reveal himself and to make known the mystery of his will. His will was that men should have access to the Father, through Christ, the Word made flesh, in the Holy Spirit, and thus become sharers in the divine nature.”2
52 God, who “dwells in unapproachable light”, wants to communicate his own divine life to the men he freely created, in order to adopt them as his sons in his only-begotten Son.3 By revealing himself God wishes to make them capable of responding to him, and of knowing him and of loving him far beyond their own natural capacity.
53 The divine plan of Revelation is realized simultaneously “by deeds and words which are intrinsically bound up with each other”4 and shed light on each another. It involves a specific divine pedagogy: God communicates himself to man gradually. He prepares him to welcome by stages the supernatural Revelation that is to culminate in the person and mission of the incarnate Word, Jesus Christ.
St. Irenaeus of Lyons repeatedly speaks of this divine pedagogy using the image of God and man becoming accustomed to one another: The Word of God dwelt in man and became the Son of man in order to accustom man to perceive God and to accustom God to dwell in man, according to the Father’s pleasure.5
II. THE STAGES OF REVELATION
In the beginning God makes himself known
54 “God, who creates and conserves all things by his Word, provides men with constant evidence of himself in created realities. And furthermore, wishing to open up the way to heavenly salvation – he manifested himself to our first parents from the very beginning.”6 He invited them to intimate communion with himself and clothed them with resplendent grace and justice.
55 This revelation was not broken off by our first parents’ sin. “After the fall, [God] buoyed them up with the hope of salvation, by promising redemption; and he has never ceased to show his solicitude for the human race. For he wishes to give eternal life to all those who seek salvation by patience in well-doing.”7
Even when he disobeyed you and lost your friendship you did not abandon him to the power of death. . . Again and again you offered a covenant to man.8
The Covenant with Noah
56 After the unity of the human race was shattered by sin God at once sought to save humanity part by part. The covenant with Noah after the flood gives expression to the principle of the divine economy toward the “nations”, in other words, towards men grouped “in their lands, each with [its] own language, by their families, in their nations”.9
57 This state of division into many nations is at once cosmic, social and religious. It is intended to limit the pride of fallen humanity10 united only in its perverse ambition to forge its own unity as at Babel.11 But, because of sin, both polytheism and the idolatry of the nation and of its rulers constantly threaten this provisional economy with the perversion of paganism.12
58 The covenant with Noah remains in force during the times of the Gentiles, until the universal proclamation of the Gospel.13 The Bible venerates several great figures among the Gentiles: Abel the just, the king-priest Melchisedek – a figure of Christ – and the upright “Noah, Daniel, and Job”.14 Scripture thus expresses the heights of sanctity that can be reached by those who live according to the covenant of Noah, waiting for Christ to “gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad”.15
God chooses Abraham
59 In order to gather together scattered humanity God calls Abram from his country, his kindred and his father’s house,16 and makes him Abraham, that is, “the father of a multitude of nations”. “In you all the nations of the earth shall be blessed.”17
60 The people descended from Abraham would be the trustee of the promise made to the patriarchs, the chosen people, called to prepare for that day when God would gather all his children into the unity of the Church.18 They would be the root on to which the Gentiles would be grafted, once they came to believe.19
61 The patriarchs, prophets and certain other Old Testament figures have been and always will be honored as saints in all the Church’s liturgical traditions.
God forms his people Israel
62 After the patriarchs, God formed Israel as his people by freeing them from slavery in Egypt. He established with them the covenant of Mount Sinai and, through Moses, gave them his law so that they would recognize him and serve him as the one living and true God, the provident Father and just judge, and so that they would look for the promised Savior.20
63 Israel is the priestly people of God, “called by the name of the LORD”, and “the first to hear the word of God”,21 the people of “elder brethren” in the faith of Abraham.
64 Through the prophets, God forms his people in the hope of salvation, in the expectation of a new and everlasting Covenant intended for all, to be written on their hearts.22 The prophets proclaim a radical redemption of the People of God, purification from all their infidelities, a salvation which will include all the nations.23 Above all, the poor and humble of the Lord will bear this hope. Such holy women as Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Miriam, Deborah, Hannah, Judith and Esther kept alive the hope of Israel’s salvation. The purest figure among them is Mary.24
III. CHRIST JESUS — “MEDIATOR AND FULLNESS OF ALL REVELATION”25
God has said everything in his Word
65 “In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son.”26 Christ, the Son of God made man, is the Father’s one, perfect and unsurpassable Word. In him he has said everything; there will be no other word than this one. St. John of the Cross, among others, commented strikingly on Hebrews 1:1-2:
In giving us his Son, his only Word (for he possesses no other), he spoke everything to us at once in this sole Word – and he has no more to say. . . because what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, he has now spoken all at once by giving us the All Who is His Son. Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behavior but also of offending him, by not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ and by living with the desire for some other novelty.
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There will be no further Revelation
66 “The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.”28 Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.
67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.
Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.
IN BRIEF
68 By love, God has revealed himself and given himself to man. He has thus provided the definitive, superabundant answer to the questions that man asks himself about the meaning and purpose of his life.
69 God has revealed himself to man by gradually communicating his own mystery in deeds and in words.
70 Beyond the witness to himself that God gives in created things, he manifested himself to our first parents, spoke to them and, after the fall, promised them salvation (cf. Gen 3:15) and offered them his covenant.
71 God made an everlasting covenant with Noah and with all living beings (cf. Gen 9:16). It will remain in force as long as the world lasts.
72 God chose Abraham and made a covenant with him and his descendants. By the covenant God formed his people and revealed his law to them through Moses. Through the prophets, he prepared them to accept the salvation destined for all humanity.
73 God has revealed himself fully by sending his own Son, in whom he has established his covenant for ever. The Son is his Father’s definitive Word; so there will be no further Revelation after him.
PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
SECTION ONE
“I BELIEVE” – “WE BELIEVE”
CHAPTER TWO
GOD COMES TO MEET MAN
ARTICLE 2
THE TRANSMISSION OF DIVINE REVELATION
74 God “desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth”:29 that is, of Christ Jesus.30 Christ must be proclaimed to all nations and individuals, so that this revelation may reach to the ends of the earth:
God graciously arranged that the things he had once revealed for the salvation of all peoples should remain in their entirety, throughout the ages, and be transmitted to all generations.31
I. THE APOSTOLIC TRADITION
75 “Christ the Lord, in whom the entire Revelation of the most high God is summed up, commanded the apostles to preach the Gospel, which had been promised beforehand by the prophets, and which he fulfilled in his own person and promulgated with his own lips. In preaching the Gospel, they were to communicate the gifts of God to all men. This Gospel was to be the source of all saving truth and moral discipline.”32
In the apostolic preaching. . .
76 In keeping with the Lord’s command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways:
- orally “by the apostles who handed on, by the spoken word of their preaching, by the example they gave, by the institutions they established, what they themselves had received – whether from the lips of Christ, from his way of life and his works, or whether they had learned it at the prompting of the Holy Spirit”;33
- in writing “by those apostles and other men associated with the apostles who, under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit, committed the message of salvation to writing”.34
. . . continued in apostolic succession
77 “In order that the full and living Gospel might always be preserved in the Church the apostles left bishops as their successors. They gave them their own position of teaching authority.”35 Indeed, “the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved in a continuous line of succession until the end of time.”36
78 This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, “the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes.”37 “The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer.”38
79 The Father’s self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: “God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son. And the Holy Spirit, through whom the living voice of the Gospel rings out in the Church – and through her in the world – leads believers to the full truth, and makes the Word of Christ dwell in them in all its richness.”39
II. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TRADITION AND SACRED SCRIPTURE
One common source. . .
80 “Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal.”40 Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own “always, to the close of the age”.41
. . . two distinct modes of transmission
81 “Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit.”42
“And [Holy] Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching.”43
82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, “does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.”44
Apostolic Tradition and ecclesial traditions
83 The Tradition here in question comes from the apostles and hands on what they received from Jesus’ teaching and example and what they learned from the Holy Spirit. The first generation of Christians did not yet have a written New Testament, and the New Testament itself demonstrates the process of living Tradition.
Tradition is to be distinguished from the various theological, disciplinary, liturgical or devotional traditions, born in the local churches over time. These are the particular forms, adapted to different places and times, in which the great Tradition is expressed. In the light of Tradition, these traditions can be retained, modified or even abandoned under the guidance of the Church’s Magisterium.
III. THE INTERPRETATION OF THE HERITAGE OF FAITH
The heritage of faith entrusted to the whole of the Church
84 The apostles entrusted the “Sacred deposit” of the faith (the depositum fidei),45 contained in Sacred Scripture and Tradition, to the whole of the Church. “By adhering to [this heritage] the entire holy people, united to its pastors, remains always faithful to the teaching of the apostles, to the brotherhood, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. So, in maintaining, practicing and professing the faith that has been handed on, there should be a remarkable harmony between the bishops and the faithful.”46
The Magisterium of the Church
85 “The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ.”47 This means that the task of interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome.
86 “Yet this Magisterium is not superior to the Word of God, but is its servant. It teaches only what has been handed on to it. At the divine command and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it listens to this devotedly, guards it with dedication and expounds it faithfully. All that it proposes for belief as being divinely revealed is drawn from this single deposit of faith.”48
87 Mindful of Christ’s words to his apostles: “He who hears you, hears me”,49 the faithful receive with docility the teachings and directives that their pastors give them in different forms.
The dogmas of the faith
88 The Church’s Magisterium exercises the authority it holds from Christ to the fullest extent when it defines dogmas, that is, when it proposes, in a form obliging the Christian people to an irrevocable adherence of faith, truths contained in divine Revelation or also when it proposes, in a definitive way, truths having a necessary connection with these.
89 There is an organic connection between our spiritual life and the dogmas. Dogmas are lights along the path of faith; they illuminate it and make it secure. Conversely, if our life is upright, our intellect and heart will be open to welcome the light shed by the dogmas of faith.50
90 The mutual connections between dogmas, and their coherence, can be found in the whole of the Revelation of the mystery of Christ.51 “In Catholic doctrine there exists an order or hierarchy of truths, since they vary in their relation to the foundation of the Christian faith.”52
The supernatural sense of faith
91 All the faithful share in understanding and handing on revealed truth. They have received the anointing of the Holy Spirit, who instructs them53 and guides them into all truth.54
92 “The whole body of the faithful. . . cannot err in matters of belief. This characteristic is shown in the supernatural appreciation of faith (sensus fidei) on the part of the whole people, when, from the bishops to the last of the faithful, they manifest a universal consent in matters of faith and morals.”55
93 “By this appreciation of the faith, aroused and sustained by the Spirit of truth, the People of God, guided by the sacred teaching authority (Magisterium),. . . receives. . . the faith, once for all delivered to the saints. . . The People unfailingly adheres to this faith, penetrates it more deeply with right judgment, and applies it more fully in daily life.”56
Growth in understanding the faith
94 Thanks to the assistance of the Holy Spirit, the understanding of both the realities and the words of the heritage of faith is able to grow in the life of the Church:
- “through the contemplation and study of believers who ponder these things in their hearts”;57 it is in particular “theological research [which] deepens knowledge of revealed truth”.58
- “from the intimate sense of spiritual realities which [believers] experience”,59 the sacred Scriptures “grow with the one who reads them.”60
- “from the preaching of those who have received, along with their right of succession in the episcopate, the sure charism of truth”.61
95 “It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of God, sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others. Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.”62
IN BRIEF
96 What Christ entrusted to the apostles, they in turn handed on by their preaching and writing, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, to all generations, until Christ returns in glory.
97 “Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God” (DV 10) in which, as in a mirror, the pilgrim Church contemplates God, the source of all her riches.
98 “The Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes” (DV 8 § 1).
99 Thanks to its supernatural sense of faith, the People of God as a whole never ceases to welcome, to penetrate more deeply and to live more fully from the gift of divine Revelation.
100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.
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THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
SECTION ONE
“I BELIEVE” – “WE BELIEVE”
CHAPTER TWO
GOD COMES TO MEET MAN
ARTICLE 3
SACRED SCRIPTURE
I. CHRIST – THE UNIQUE WORD OF SACRED SCRIPTURE
101 In order to reveal himself to men, in the condescension of his goodness God speaks to them in human words: “Indeed the words of God, expressed in the words of men, are in every way like human language, just as the Word of the eternal Father, when he took on himself the flesh of human weakness, became like men.”63
102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:64
You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate syllables; for he is not subject to time.65
103 For this reason, the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she venerates the Lord’s Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread of life, taken from the one table of God’s Word and Christ’s Body.66
104 In Sacred Scripture, the Church constantly finds her nourishment and her strength, for she welcomes it not as a human word, “but as what it really is, the word of God”.67 “In the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven comes lovingly to meet his children, and talks with them.”68
II. INSPIRATION AND TRUTH OF SACRED SCRIPTURE
105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. “The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.”69
“For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself.”70
106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. “To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more.”71
107 The inspired books teach the truth. “Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures.”72
108 Still, the Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living”.73 If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, “open [our] minds to understand the Scriptures.”74
III. THE HOLY SPIRIT, INTERPRETER OF SCRIPTURE
109 In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm, and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words.75
110 In order to discover the sacred authors’ intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking and narrating then current. “For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression.”76
111 But since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no less important principle of correct interpretation, without which Scripture would remain a dead letter. “Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written.”77
The Second Vatican Council indicates three criteria for interpreting Scripture in accordance with the Spirit who inspired it.78
112 1. Be especially attentive “to the content and unity of the whole Scripture”. Different as the books which compose it may be, Scripture is a unity by reason of the unity of God’s plan, of which Christ Jesus is the center and heart, open since his Passover.79
The phrase “heart of Christ” can refer to Sacred Scripture, which makes known his heart, closed before the Passion, as the Scripture was obscure. But the Scripture has been opened since the Passion; since those who from then on have understood it, consider and discern in what way the prophecies must be interpreted.80
113 2. Read the Scripture within “the living Tradition of the whole Church”. According to a saying of the Fathers, Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church’s heart rather than in documents and records, for the Church carries in her Tradition the living memorial of God’s Word, and it is the Holy Spirit who gives her the spiritual interpretation of the Scripture (”. . . according to the spiritual meaning which the Spirit grants to the Church”81).
114 3. Be attentive to the analogy of faith.82 By “analogy of faith” we mean the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves and within the whole plan of Revelation.
The senses of Scripture
115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.
116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: “All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal.”83
117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God’s plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ’s victory and also of Christian Baptism.84
2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written “for our instruction”.85
3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, “leading”). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.86
118 A medieval couplet summarizes the significance of the four senses:
The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith;
The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.87
119 “It is the task of exegetes to work, according to these rules, towards a better understanding and explanation of the meaning of Sacred Scripture in order that their research may help the Church to form a firmer judgement. For, of course, all that has been said about the manner of interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgement of the Church which exercises the divinely conferred commission and ministry of watching over and interpreting the Word of God.”88
But I would not believe in the Gospel, had not the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me.89
IV. THE CANON OF SCRIPTURE
120 It was by the apostolic Tradition that the Church discerned which writings are to be included in the list of the sacred books.90 This complete list is called the canon of Scripture. It includes 46 books for the Old Testament (45 if we count Jeremiah and Lamentations as one) and 27 for the New.91
The Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah, Tobit, Judith, Esther, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Songs, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Baruch, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zachariah and Malachi.
The New Testament: the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the Acts of the Apostles, the Letters of St. Paul to the Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, the Letter to the Hebrews, the Letters of James, 1 and 2 Peter, 1, 2 and 3 John, and Jude, and Revelation (the Apocalypse).
The Old Testament
121 The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value,92 for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.
122 Indeed, “the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately so oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men.”93 “Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional,”94 the books of the Old Testament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God’s saving love: these writings “are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way.”95
123 Christians venerate the Old Testament as true Word of God. The Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void (Marcionism).
The New Testament
124 “The Word of God, which is the power of God for salvation to everyone who has faith, is set forth and displays its power in a most wonderful way in the writings of the New Testament”96 which hand on the ultimate truth of God’s Revelation. Their central object is Jesus Christ, God’s incarnate Son: his acts, teachings, Passion and glorification, and his Church’s beginnings under the Spirit’s guidance.97
125 The Gospels are the heart of all the Scriptures “because they are our principal source for the life and teaching of the Incarnate Word, our Savior”.98
126 We can distinguish three stages in the formation of the Gospels:
1. The life and teaching of Jesus. The Church holds firmly that the four Gospels, “whose historicity she unhesitatingly affirms, faithfully hand on what Jesus, the Son of God, while he lived among men, really did and taught for their eternal salvation, until the day when he was taken up.”99
2. The oral tradition. “For, after the ascension of the Lord, the apostles handed on to their hearers what he had said and done, but with that fuller understanding which they, instructed by the glorious events of Christ and enlightened by the Spirit of truth, now enjoyed.”100
3. The written Gospels. “The sacred authors, in writing the four Gospels, selected certain of the many elements which had been handed on, either orally or already in written form; others they synthesized or explained with an eye to the situation of the churches, the while sustaining the form of preaching, but always in such a fashion that they have told us the honest truth about Jesus.”101
127 The fourfold Gospel holds a unique place in the Church, as is evident both in the veneration which the liturgy accords it and in the surpassing attraction it has exercised on the saints at all times:
There is no doctrine which could be better, more precious and more splendid than the text of the Gospel. Behold and retain what our Lord and Master, Christ, has taught by his words and accomplished by his deeds.102
But above all it’s the gospels that occupy my mind when I’m at prayer; my poor soul has so many needs, and yet this is the one thing needful. I’m always finding fresh lights there; hidden meanings which had meant nothing to me hitherto.103
The unity of the Old and New Testaments
128 The Church, as early as apostolic times,104 and then constantly in her Tradition, has illuminated the unity of the divine plan in the two Testaments through typology, which discerns in God’s works of the Old Covenant prefigurations of what he accomplished in the fullness of time in the person of his incarnate Son.
129 Christians therefore read the Old Testament in the light of Christ crucified and risen. Such typological reading discloses the inexhaustible content of the Old Testament; but it must not make us forget that the Old Testament retains its own intrinsic value as Revelation reaffirmed by our Lord himself.105 Besides, the New Testament has to be read in the light of the Old. Early Christian catechesis made constant use of the Old Testament.106 As an old saying put it, the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New.107
130 Typology indicates the dynamic movement toward the fulfillment of the divine plan when “God [will] be everything to everyone.”108 Nor do the calling of the patriarchs and the exodus from Egypt, for example, lose their own value in God’s plan, from the mere fact that they were intermediate stages.
V. SACRED SCRIPTURE IN THE LIFE OF THE CHURCH
131 “And such is the fo
i thought we werent going to do that anymore.
Well shit man don’t look at me. At least mine actually maps to the SHOW THAT HAS DHARMA AS A MAJOR FUCKING PART OF IT.
hahahahhahaha You are so right!
i don’t think most people will read that so can we just have Tyler delete that, or at least chop it down.
I know, right?!
Can you post the UN constitution next.
That’s what I thought…
No fucking wonder the site went down…..
LOL I copy pasted it and it’s 61 K. Even if compress that with a zip file it is still massive 20 Kb. That’s unheard of for a post. This post for example is only 150 bytes
spam from God.
WOW!!! It makes me wonder if sombody was trying to shut us down on purpose…..
Could you imagine the LOLsuit that would ensue if a billion dollar network went after a $35/month blog.
They did all meet up at the end in a Catholic Church so no surprise.
What’s funny is how they had all major religions symbols on the stained glass window so people wouldn’t bitch about the Catholic influence in the show. LOL
Fuck you!
Someone make it go away!
Even if they somehow managed to blow up the Deathstar at the end the finale still would have sucked!
You know what’s really funny about this?
My late sister Kaye called the ending on this thing in the middle
of SEASON ONE!
She said that obviously they were all in some type of purgatory type
setting. That it was all about redemption. And then she stopped
watching.
I can somehow picture her laughing her ass off as I type this.
Wherever she is….
LOL
jbp
But…they………weren’t…….bah, forget it!
Your THEORY is no sounder than ours. The moving on / leaving stuff applies to the whole show, not just the finale.
I don’t have a theory! I have FACTS. Christian said it was real. I believe him. If the devs wanted us to believe otherwise, they would have put that in instead.
he used the word FACT. the end.
He’s not a Phillip K Dick type reader then obviously… Even though a Dick book (nyuk) was referenced in an episode of the show…
Point being that there is no real baseline reality at all. A Scanner Darkly et al.
Oh yeah
FACTS.
and so on.
None of it was real. Christian Shepherd was an “actor” and so was Jack.
Just ask Matthew Fox. LOL
WHat will gut people who still loved / liked the show is that despite the monstrous implausibilities, the vast majority of the audience wanted answers and closure, in this waking living world. They wanted an American ending for their heroes and villains, not Siegfried’s Funeral.
Tough titties, apparently.
Well Jack getting ripped to shreds would have been a bonus, but I wanted some answers. Hell, at this point, I would have been content if Across The Sea was the finale.
All it needed was a single episode after Season 5 finale, if we have to accept the show was going to march on like some unholy moneymaking zombie. One single episode, with a nice tidied up epilogue universe. Or alternatively all hell breaking loose like the end of Angel. In other words either Brigadoon, or the battle never ends, it’s scifi adventure balls out action. Pick one, do it and move on.
These people are crying and balling on Kimmel. Haha, Infected even finds that funny…
Kimmel kinda kicked ass with his final theory though…
That was pretty funny. I mean…tears? For TV? I can’t summon tears for film nevermind a TV show.
I think Fox (Jack) has the best explanation, saying that the Alt was them being reminded of what was important in their lives, so that they could move on. Sort of definitively answers that part of the show, I think, seeing as how he knew it all along.
I’m sure you were crying when jack and kate kissed.
I fast forwarded the following:
-Christians coffin being offloaded
-all the flashbacks
-jack v locke fight
-birth scene
-Sayid and shanon scene
-plane scene
-most of the concert scenes
-the light cave scene
-the hurley crying scene
-the repeated convince-claire-to-come-scene
-the last 20 minutes (I shit u not)
Kimmel is a squinty eyed puppet. Guillermo is the brains behind the operation. Who is your puppetmaster??
MTV has a slur slurp review, kudos to the writers etc.
I say kudos to the production, it was a hell of a ride, but the writers- overrated cogs in the nightmare machine.
I’m lost, literally. I just can’t believe the on-island stuff was real. The DI, the others, the other others, the other other others, a smoke monster, a light cave that had to be protected? Really?? With no real conclusions about all this from the nutty producers? And I can’t believe the other sites that are loving this ending! WTF?!?!
You made it through 6 seasons believing it was real. What is so hard about believing it now?
none of it was real. it was just a tv show.
awesome. awesome to the max.
Matt is not real, this is the matrix.
I’m actually Matt, Tyler, everyone else on this site, and even you, Pukster. I, and only I, have written every comment on this site. I also wrote Lost.
BOOM
MINDFUCK
The writers said that Lost was not a dream. NO, but the finale was a big nightmare!
Don’t worry. Just download the blu ray discset when it comes out and you’ll get some answers…
…to mysteries raised *in* the blu-ray set.
those discs have straight to torrent written all over them
You know it, brotha.
Thank God this Scientology infomercial is finally over, I expected Tom Cruise holding the fucking Book of Eli when they opened that doorway of light.
We get it Scientology rocks!
Is the Book of Eli a scientological film?
WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE ON ISLAND SHIT?
dollars, greenbacks, benjamins, baksheesh, shekels, graft, vig, gravy, moolah, jam, money, gold, gap, gilt, gelt, gild, vodka, bunce, stash, paper, dead presidents, feds, immigration papers, coin, stack, spondooliks, mo nay, al gores, sawbucks, loot, payola…
You left out bread…..
ABC made money on this crap?
Whoops sorry guys, you took down the site! I didn’t find out until this morning and then it took my webhost forever to add the extra bandwidth, but we are finally back up and running.
So how about that final episode?
Do you know why you are here, Tyler?
Um.. yeah. Pretty sure we all know why we’re here.
Even the Lostaways couldn’t be THAT retarded.
“Oops, he did it again…”
I love how this has torn the fandom to teeny tiny pieces. If it had only ended creditably I would be first to five star it and post gush. But it didn’t, I’m not and here we are.
In hell.
Or heaven.
I forget how that works.
All it needed was evil laughter or the smoke monster noise as soon as the last scene cut and it would all have been a lot better. Ambiguity that is deliberate > ending written 6 years ago for the pilot character replaced by Foxxy.
“He played with my heart…”
I loved the final scene when the doors to the church opened and a bright light filled the room as they “moved on”. I found myself wondering if they were all wearing their Nike Windrunners and had a five dollar bill and three quarters in their pockets.
We didn’t take down the site, Tyler….some Jehovah’s Witness did up above….
Fuck yeah, bandwidth exceeded! That is the power of hate. Or at least the power of alt-criticism.
I watched it in agony until the part where MIB turned human again and then stopped. It’s so shit. Where do I start:
-New sets=new questions. New questions IN THE FINALE ARE U FUCKIN KIDDIN ME?
-Kate decides to deliver the baby rather than going out and getting a real doctor?
-Everyone cried for no reason
I’m to disapointed to talk about this
and Tyler you failed me last night when I needed to vent and this site was down.
And fo course the Fuselage has dropped its human disguise and is now checking papers left right and center so no relief there. I will be interested to see if the Didn’t Love It threads even exist there soon. For that matter the whole site might collapse in on itself within… what? A year? Some of the lost souls will haunt it for a while. I think an awful lot of fans are so pissed off that they are done with it though. The analysis now having been officially dumped on and made pointless, the illusion of intellectualism will no longer hold any appeal.
BOOM
LOST
Ya that was such shit. They just closed the site. Increased traffic my ass. Get JJ to give them another $1000 and you got the bandwidth. For fucks sake this is a blog and Tyler got it up and running again.
That was some hardcore fascism from the lovey dovey admins at the fuckselage, true dat.
I only joined that site after Across The Sea
Tyler put the butt plug back into the butthole of the site. Which means he was killed by the magical golden light. I’ll take it from here, guys. who’ll be my #2?
Oh, and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!!!!!!!!!!!
Will I age?
It was a good ending, the best they could have come up with at this point. They avoided the actual plot and created something that would resonate with people and make them emotional. They never actually created a real direction for the story throughout the six seasons, just had the different characters run around the island encountering mysteries. The producers couldnt decide how to rap it up until the end when they came up with some stupid plot about light in a cave.
All praise to the LOST creative team, they really understood PT Barnum’s phrase: “there’s a sucker born every minute”
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…and most of them become LOST fans!
True. No one ever got poor pandering to the lowest common denominator, especially not whilst also telling them how smart they are.
That class of fan of anything imagine themselves as Jack or Kate… But are in real life awfully more like Hurley.
None of my comments seem to be sticking.
why on earth not???
No idea, but I’m guessing it’s a combo of this site sucking balls and me using a Mac (which also sucks balls).
I was a huge fan until the final episode.
Lost sucks! The writers never had any idea what was going on and were making it up as they went along for 6 years in order to cynically get advertising dollars. I will warn everyone I know who is still watching the DVDs to stop watching immediately.
It was the only TV show I watched. I will never trust ABC, or any other network, again.
This will go down in television history as the greatest viewer scam of all time. The media reviewers are all closing ranks behind it in order to protect the industry.
Time to get on with life now. Screw the colossal waste of time that was Lost.
LOST is I feel the Obama of network TV. Other than the actual Obama. Both are captivating subjects for uncritical television reportage and promotion with no analysis to speak of troubling questions.
That’s why I don’t believe they had this whole purgatory BS planned from the beginning I doubt that it’s just a coincidence that purgatory is the only way to explain this cluster fuck of a story. Although, I wouldn’t put it past Darlton to set out to create a clusterfuck from the get go.
Seriously? I’m amazed that some people still had hope and thought this shit was going anywhere until the final episode.
But then, it took me until a few episodes into season 4 to see the light that removed all doubt that this was an episodic turd, while Tyler figured it out half way into season 2, and some other people in the first episode.
ya it took me until Season 5. Bu that’s neither here nor there. The point is that all of us, Infected included, knew the finale would suck. But to varying degrees. None of us thought it would suck this bad. I honestly thought it would be more of the same. And by same I mean crap. But Darlton took it to a whole nother level. They even had a butt plug in there as if the toilet wasn’t enough.
I’m not going to watch ABC either. I have cable, the other networks, my dvd’s and internet tv.
I had hope for a long time, primarily because I was so intrigued by the mysteries: the Dharma Intiative, the strange properties of the Island, the Numbers, and just who was Matthew Abbadon? I realized it was all ballooning out of control, however, probably in season 3. But like a retarded child I continued to hope it would turn out okay.
In the end, as I’ve said elswhere, I literally began crying because I could not believe I had wasted 6 years on this steaming pile of shit. We’ve all been duped!
Goddamn, I hate LOST and Darlton and all the other bitches involved with that stupid show.
We should all move on and stop dignifying LOST by giving it space in our brains.
So… the smoke monster and magical light and all the rest of the “Xena Warrior Princess” level garbage were REAL? You realize that this means that last night’s finale was merely a SEASON finale then, and not a SERIES finale as it answered NONE of the larger questions. It only managed to wrap up the “flash-sideways” plot and basically nothing else. It’s clear that once people guessed the creators “purgatory” plot, they simply spent the next 5 seasons trying to throw viewers off track with a never ending parade of red herrings. Then in the end “ta-da, well you were all kind of right”. The backlash to this farcical ending (to a show that wasn’t good since season 2 anyway) was so strong, that the servers at whylostsucks.com crashed. Good riddance to the most overrated show in the history of TV.
A copy of something posted on another site. Best I can do right now.
Do you have a blog? surely you do. Gimme the link and I will put it in my blogroll. Also you can spew your invective there as a repository until such time as the ball sucking stops.
If I had time to produce a blog I would be SO happy. I barely have time to sleep.
I see.
I gave up on websites and now use a blog as a sort of home page. Websites are where I now draw the line.
None of my comments are showing, but when I try again it says “duplicate comment”. Also, I ‘m noticing that the number of posts has slowed to a crawl. It seems something is still not quite right.
And yet we’re still posting… well well well. Could it be everyone else has already entered the church of interfaith tolerance ™?
It seems anything longer than a line or two just disappears into the ether. I have no fucking idea but I’m getting pretty frustrated. Maybe tomorrow.
I am REALLY confused. It says the posts are registering but I see zip. Yet, THIS post will no doubt work just fine.
Lost Sucks!
I guess that’s all I can say.
Peace out from the Chi.
You better come back man. Lift it up.
NONE of my posts are showing up, so it seems rather pointless to stick around. Maybe I’ll try again tomorrow. I’m ready to hit this computer and Tyler in the head with a stick. I’m willing to bet I’m not the only person having issues, or we’d be seeing the other usual suspects posting right now.
Surely. But pray it’s all sorted, because this should be the A-game right here.
Dude I was gone (drunk) for one weekend and now there are numerous more regulars. I ROFLOLed so hard when I saw that the WLS server was down.
Well it’s not like cocksucker central aka The Fuselage is gonna let you, me or a bunch of others back on. “ban lifted: NEVER”. nice.
Ya they kicked me off of there for a while. I haven’t tried posting. I’m sure my privileges have been revoked.
- WTF is the island?
An island with a strange electromagnetic power that comes from the vajayjay of destiny with its glow water. There is also a cloaca of destiny with a cork. A lot of ladies with bladder issues must wish for one of dem.
- WTF was so special about Walt?
ESP 1970s powers of matthew star type stuff. poorly thought through, no longer to be thought of or mentioned. not the droids you’re looking for.
- WTF built the light well?
folks.
not the droids you’re looking for.
- WTF was the light?
spiritual energy, the soul, the essential essence, the fifth element, the light inside all of us, disney energy, unobtainium rays…
not the droids you’re looking for.
- WTF built the statue?
people jacob brought to craphole island.
- WTF was the smoke monster?
damn good question. a poorly thought out copy of PREY?
- WTF did the island’s light well needed protecting if anyone who got in
there died (IF they could find it)?
not the droids you’re looking for.
- WTF were all the other people from the flight? Not good enough for the church? Not even Jacob and his brother?! Or Richard?!?!
no deep karmic connection to the other people there / not leading cast members.
not the droids you’re looking for.
- WTF picked the first island protector?
not the droids you’re looking for.
- WTF was Richard doing with the Dharma Initiative, away from the island?
look! a dangling plot thread.
- WTF happened to the Dharma Initiative and HTF did they find the island in the first place?
jacob brought them there.
any humans coming into contact with the island we know of were brought there by jacob as part of his psychotic social experiments. he is a maniacal god-like monster. like out of original star trek.
but really… its all hallucinations. it was going to be, anyway. then the car crash of success derailed stuff for the better part of six years.
How come nikki and payload weren’t in the afterlife love fest? What, theyaren’t good enough to come to the party?
Well since Michael and Walt weren’t there, the absence of the Expose Interpolations is unsurprising…
Mr Eko was missing too.
The only shocking thing about this show is that some people thought it would end well. This is after all the show that killed two cast members by having them buried alive by rest of cast after been bitten by paralyzing spiders which induce a death like state.
Personally gave up watching this garbage two seasons ago, now I just enjoy taunting people who like lost. If any such people are in here, how does it feel to actually like Lost after six years of being punched in the guts by some of the worlds worst script writing?
We all knew the finale would suck, but I don’t think anyone thought it would be this bad. This was just a disaster.
They accomplished what they wanted. They got 13 million suckers to watch the first 5 seasons just so that they con us into watching season 6.
They took a big shit on us! How can we wash it off?
:-O
what about the island? and the plot?
well the island doesn’t matter cause we’re all dead.
but what about what happened on the island? what about what we did on the island?
doesn’t matter. our lives have been resolved.
how were our lives resolved?
we died.
we died? that’s how our lives were resolved?
yeah. we’re dead now. nothing mattered before that, so why think about it?
but we didn’t actually work anything out?
look! Chuck E. Church!
I have to hand it to Darlton, they created an ending that no one can logically argue against. It’s like using a fire extinguisher to put out a shroom induced hallucination.
If you could go back in time would you watch the show from the beginning?
This ending could have been used after 3 years or after 30 years.
This ending could have been used to end any show there is.
This ending has nothing specifically to do with Lost.
It would have been nice to see an ending that actually addressed what we’ve been watching for the past six years.
Characters are dead now. Plot didn’t matter. It took 2.5 hours to say that.
One guy’s already done a lost finale haiku. It may well be the synopsis style of the future.
The writers need to take a refresher course on creative writing before there can be a plot.
Now, if the island wasn’t purgatory, why are there ghosts telling you to blow up planes? Just because its a crazy place where a lot of crazy stuff happens? I’m sorry, this show and sci-fi in general seem like a giant waste of $
I digress, Sci-Fi has provided us with some of the greatest movies ever made. I just hope Evi Lilly eventually sheds her wife beater for all to see!
Stop talking to yourself!
Srry
I have one word describing the show:
Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.
Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft
LOST
hm
not sure if it works as well as
BOOM
LOST
or even
BOOM
HAD
Well, I meant plain Pfffffffffft, but if you insist.
BOOM
LOST
Pfffffffft
Previously, on LOST:
Pfffffffffffft
Is Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft really even a word? I guess I will check it out on dictionary dot com.
Well kiss my ass!!!
Pfft
–interjection
(used to express or indicate a dying or fizzling out.)
I truely had no idea…..
What the fuck?
Only 500something comments?
The bandwidth was exceeded all day yesterday, I expected it to be like at least 2000.
Anyway, am at work now. I wrote down my notes for this episode at home and didnt bother copying them to my work network.
Couple of things, when a jet engine does thrust reversal, panels are brought behind the engine to reflect the thrust forward. Nothing like this was seen with Lapetus’s magical reverse gear.
Perhaps more fundamentally, it taxied on wet sand. Less jet, more landspeeder.
Oh yeah.
Just be glad the plane didn’t have propellers in one scene and an internal combustion engine in another.
Propeller engines are often powered by internal combustion engines.
…What is this a press conference?
Never ask me that again!
Oh yeah they forgot that the plane was rigged with explosives just a few episodes earlier.
The writers said it doesn’t matter, they will die sooner or later. Whether they die by C4 or plane crash or simply die peacefully at home is not important.
“It only ends once, the rest is only progress.”
“It only ends once. WE don’t have to suffer watching this crap anymore!”
OH MY GOD THAT WAS THE BEST FUCKING FINALE EVAR!!!!!111oneone. Even better than snakes on the plane!
Did you see that fucking scene with Charlie and Claire? he totally cried, and then she cried, and then Kate cried, and then I cried, and then Jack, Sawyer, Juliette, Hugo, Ben, Sayid, Shanon and Boon cried so I cried more, then my roomate came and we both cried together.
My only complaint is that there wasn’t enough scenes of people crying.
May be my heart is made from stone, I didnt give a shit to the “emotional” part.
That’s probably b/c you’re straight. You have to be gay (like the writers) or a chic to be on the same emotional level.
Lifetime: television for idiots
Family guy reference aknowledged.
WOW. I mean…wow.
Never before have I fast forwarded a series finale. I watched half of it last night, but it was too shitty. I had to stop. It got to a point where I said to myself “Honestly?” They spend 1 hour of a 2 hour finale doing nothing. The only marginally answer worthy part of the episode was that whole Sawyer Juliette thing where they explained what Juliette meant when she said ‘it worked’. But since that was not integral to the plot, it’s pure BS. It just goes to show they knew right at the beginning of Season 6 that they were going to fuck up the show like this.
But allow me to be a little more detailed in how I shit all over this show.
The episode started off with me saying “Fuck not this again!” They had that shit slow music as they showed an ever slower scene of christian’s coffin being off loaded of Oceanic airlines. GOD DAMNIT we get it, he’s dead, people die, get over it. Then Desmond starts rounding people up to take them to a concert WHICH HAS NO FUCKING PURPOSE IN ANY REALITY. James hides behind a bush the size of a tiny rock, then when he’s held at gunpoint, he somehow takes the gun away from Ben, THEN when he tells MIB that he’s no longer a cnadidate, MIB does not proceed to rip him to shreads like he should, instead, he lets him go. He follows Vincent to Rose’s hideout and we find out that she’s still a cock juggling thunder cunt. Again, MIB shows up and instead of slashing Rose’s throat like everyone wants, he lets them live. Miles and Richard find that Lepidus is still alive b/c he had some life vests and b/c Darlton needed him for the plot. Therefore, an already shit plot which was abandoned b/c it’s obvious to a monkey with half a brain that it was ridiculous was resuscitated, stretching suspension of disbelief from total absurdity to utter catastrophe. Kate sees MIB and starts shooting while reading from a teleprompter “you killed them”. Meanwhile I’m begging MIB to smoke-rape her…to no avail. They find the pussy/toilet but what I don’t understand is why MIB couldn’t find it in 2000+ years. They lower Desmond into the hole, thereby creating serious plot holes. How come he didn’t turn into smoke? How come MIB was unconscious but he managed to fall into the pool? Who’s skeleton was that? how come that person didn’t turn into smoke? How did MIB’s body end up outside?
Another larger issue is that of introducing a new set at the end of the show without explaining anything. Earth to Darlton that’s called introducing new mysteries. So Desmond walks around this alien room then in the middle there is a butt plug he has to remove. When he does this the island begins to sink. WHAT THE FUCK? a butt plug prevents the island from sinking? And why did the island sink in the alt verse? A butt plug? I still can’t over that.
Turns out the concert was total BS, they could’ve just met at the church later. Turns out MIB is human again which makes one wonder who’s body he’s got, cuz it’s not his own, that’s adam, and it’s not Locke’s, he was dead. At this point it would have been good to reintroduced Titus Welliver, but that would conflict with the massive Locke v Jack showdown. Segway:
HOLY FUCKING CHRIST I JUST CAME!!!! Did you see Jack jumped in the air with that falcon punch. I fast forwarded this scene but apparently Kate killed MIB. No doubt fanbois all over the world came in synchrony during that scene. I, however, felt a moral dilemma of a convict killing a man who was wrongfully imprisoned on an island 2000 years ago, who’s only crime was a desire to explore. Fuck you Kate, you’re a bitch until the end. The problem is that too many people sympathized with the bad guy. You taking notes Darlton? that’s a big no no
Then a bunch of BS happens. By ‘BS’ I mean ‘archival footage’ But there were still two points of redemption
1)Lepidus could have run over Kate and Sawyer Jurassic Park III style
2) Kate could have smashed her head on a rock trying to jump off that cliff.
MIB is definitely the good guy. Someone trying to kill you and locked you up for 2000 years. His demand to leave the island is definitely reasonable.
Kate meanwhile is a murderer as is Sawyer
And yet it is Michael whose soul must forever be trapped on the Island, even after atoning for his sins, which he committed in service of trying to save a loved one — all while being manipulated by Ben — cannot join them in ofay “heaven”.
The white man keeps a nigga down again.
I have to agree, MIB is definitely a man of wealth and taste. And he’s been around for a long, long year and he stole many a man’s soul and faith.
MIB didn’t want to leave the island. He wanted to leave this $hitty excuse for a show!
Fanbois didn’t sympathize with smokie because he was given black diapers while Jacob was given white ones at birth. That’s reason enough to sympathize with Jacob and not smokie, don’t you think? Also, that island inhabitant took care of the boys, so she was good and had no choice but to murder their biological mother and her people.
We are finally free!
Lamest ending evah.
BOOM
None of it was real. It was just something the writers “imagined” in the sideways universe because they got bored waiting for Christian Shepherd to show up!
The writers in 2004:
It’s not about -
Heaven…
Hell…
Purgatory or…
Limbo…
Then what the frick was it about?!
Ar…finally the website is back!
There are 2 type of opinions.
The first one is majority Lost Fans theory. i.e. Losties on island is real, but purgatory in alt universe.
The second one is from critics like us. i.e. It’s all about dream of Jackass after crashing on island. Or its all from the Jack perspective, so everything were created in Jackass mind.
But I think both interpretation SUCKS!
First one, if the island is real, the island became meaningless because the writers aimed for a much higher target of purgatory. There is no need to answer all the questions, in fact, there is no fucking need to create the questions in the beginning. There is no need to care who is Adam and Eve, who is widmore, what are the numbers….etc.
The second one is sucks for obvious reason. No need to elaborate.
The writers just BS.
Since the writers failed at either option, it don’t look too good.
Even the lame Haunted Mansion movie was better than this crap!
Eddie Murphy is happy now.
It’s also funny to see there are still a lot of die hard fans of Lost out there saying that they loved the finale. They claimed many questions were answered properly.
OMG, are they all brainless? Q&A in Lost are like this:-
Q: Why is there a Birthday cake on the table?
A: Because I put it there.
Q: Why do you have a Birthday cake?
A: Because I bought it.
Q: Why did you buy it?
A: Because I walk pass the cake shop.
Q: But why did you buy it in the first place?
A: Because I have money to buy it.
Q: &^%$#@!
Do you answer people like that? And its funny that the Fans are happy with these type of answers!
Well this is how I see it. Oceanic Flight 815 split apart in mid air and 3 parts came crashing down. Now at the very end we see the plane on the beach. A few dead people laying around on the beach. There were no survivors of the crash. Now we got an island, two deities, God and Satan, good and evil, however you want it. It’s all as simple as black and white. Now your dead, but as Jacob said you are all flawed. So, that is what this whole redemption shit is all about. Your task is to prove yourself worthy. For some it was a little easier than others. Jackasses dad told him the island WAS real, and people eventually die, the “sideways universe” is something they “created” to see each other again. But it was real only in the sense that it was the most important thing they were going to do to be able to move on to whatever that light was behind those doors. I take it to be heaven. Now on the island you have the two deities biding for your soul. Now in order to put this into total context, you have to understand one thing. The show was mostly about Jackass. Now the other characters were there to help Jackass on his journey to find salvation. While finding their own as well. So you have Jacob (the good) dying so Jackass can take the part as good and destroy the evil in his life so he can now move on to the alt side and move on to heaven. Now this is just the way I took it. Wrong or right I really don’t know. It was the only way my two and a half remaining brain cells could make any kind of sense out of the truck load after truck load of shit that they kept on piling on us year after year. So there ya go…..
No matter what kind of theories or how you view it. The show sucks at every possible way. The importance of the “mysteries” become so small after they created the purgatory alt universe.
Then, why do they put the mysteries in the show? The answer is simple, just to linger those with the hope that questions will be answered.
I agree completely. The show went from bad, to worse, to retarded, to clusterfucked.
It’s even worse than that US hostage rescue operation in Iran.
Thats funny because I was in the military when that happened. We was all psyched to go kick some Irannean ass…..
I read up on that, and it was a disaster from the get go. Apparently the navy wanted to get involved and they sent some inexperienced pilots
I felt sorry for Jimmy Carter. He went to congress and told them that the operation would more likely than not end in disaster. And when it did, they scapegoated the poor bastard
That wasn’t really Christian Shepherd in the church. It was really MIB conning Jack and the others into the gates of Hades.
Damn that smokey!
Fucking ace moral to give the sheeple too- ass around however you like being a clownshoe in the real world, because when you get your ticket punched you wake up on adventure island to have some kewl hijinks until god lite decides you’re fixed then whammo into the first church of oprah and into the light you go.
Spirituality for the materialist. Insane.
OK, but what!!!!!!!!
Is it just me, or are all these new comers turning this site into a fanboi page with their theories? I can’t read these posts if every third sentence isn’t insulting some aspect of the show.
Oh, and Fuck you Darlton.
Darlton are blacklisted. Never watch any thing created by them. Waste of time.
Don’t watch Star Trek 2. Lindelof is producing it. Th plot involves Kirk chasing KAAAAAHHHHHNNNN through the galaxie. And then it is revealed it was actually all a dream.
Previously, on TREK:
KHAAAANNNN
TREK
Star Trek 2:
The Lost Fans Wrath of a Big Khan.
“And then it is revealed it was actually all a dream”
That is going to be the Lindelof / Cuse curse from here on out. Nothing they do will be taken seriously or at face value because people will always say “they’re just going to end the movie (or TV show) by having it all be a dream or hallucination or purgatory or whatever.” Fuck them both.
Haha when Ifirst watched Star Trek V TTHe final frontier, I thought it was all a dream becausee it started with a camp fire in a park and endeed the same way. I had only seen little in tthe way off Trek back then and later learned that, canonically, that film would’ve been better off beingg a drea, because they fly to the center of the galaxy in just a few days, while it took Voyager 7 years to get accross the galaxy with some sci fi tech boosts. I think at the start of the series they said it would take them over 60 years to get back.
Oh yeah also:
DAAAAARLTOOOOON!
DAAAAAAAARLTOOOOOOOOOOOOON!
Seen the Big Bang Theory episode where Sheldon is betrayed by Wil Wheaton, the actor of Wesley Crusher and goes
WHEATOOOOOOON!
WHEATOOOOOOOON!
Lindelof also wrote the screenplay for COWBOYS vs. ALIENS, so get ready for that to suck butt-plugs.
Where’s SmokiNotLocke?
Man I been trying to catch up here. I has taken awhile but I think I finally got a handle on it. Being out here in the wild west, by the time the show was over for me the site was already down.
Ya same thing happened for me. I noticed there are much more posters now.
Please, stop asking questions, posting theories, info about asian religions and connections between flashes, parallel universes and likes. It’s over now, let us rest our minds. Stop it, this is the moment many of us have been dreaming about; the moment in which lost fans would shut the f*ck up. You had 6 years to talk about this. 6 years. Now let us have peace.
Lost ain’t done with you yet, boy.
U all Every-body
It’s time to go to The Fuselage and lick tears from the dead cold faces of the fans whose minds have been destroyed.
I think you need to speak to Jacob about this…
DON’T TELL ME WHAT I CAN’T POST!
The island isn’t done with you yet, but Lost is over and done with.
Thank Jacob!
I HAVE TO GO BAAACK!
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I fucked your kids dog.
haha that unnecessary LOST censorship on Kimmel was awesome.
Last night’s show, Jimmy pointed out that, while the last scene with Vincent laying next to Jack was cute, you KNOW that an hour later, that dog is eating Jack’s body…..
..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3w1yV4Ehg..
LOL
Richard:If I fuck him, he’ll never be the same again
Locke:shhh I fucked your son’s dog
Michael: What?!?!
I want you to want to suck my cock
“I will never understand why they hated their fans so much. It was the final season, they clearly had nothing left in the linear story that was interesting. So why did they refuse to go back and simply have a couple characters trying to piece the island mysteries together. Only way it could have been worse is if they ripped off Final Destination and it ended up Jack was having a flash prior to the plane taking off. Instead they just ripped of the movie Passengers(a really lousy movie btw), where they needed help accepting the fact they were all dead. ”
from jhh, fuselage didnt love it thread. it’s back up, for anyone here not yet banned forevarr.
I think they’re deleting posts on the Didn’t Love it thread:
Didn’t Love it: 110 replies 4,275 views
Loved it: 72 replies, 1066 views
In the time I’ve been monitoring it, I have actually seen new posts vanish to keep it at 110. Nice blatant fucking lying and deceit.
Yeah. They started deleting my posts back in Season 3 when I started to grumble about not getting any answers. I quit posting there for a long time, but for the series finale I came back. Lots of fantastic posters over the Fuselage who got banned or just quit posting because of the censorship. Colin72 is writes masterful recaps in the “didn’t love it” thread. They should thank him for keeping their traffic up at the site.
Darlton cared nothing about pleasing the fans!
So Hey whadid I miss by flipping over to “Breaking Bad” and “Celebrity Apprentice” and “Legend of the Seeker?”
That CARA on the Seeker…with that TIGHT burgundy leather body suit…oh so yummy! Did I mention TIGHT?
To bad that show’s cancelled too, just as I was getting into a real relationship with “Happy Town.” The pricks cancelled THAT too!
TV sucks, guys!!!!
I have that show because I saw pictures of it with women in tight leather. Not seen any of it yet.
Breaking Bad was lame. A whole episode about an allegorical fly? Seriously?
I’m sure they timed it so that they would show the worst episode of the season on the same day as the worst episode of anything ever:D so that you wouldn’t notice the BrBa episode’s shitness so much.
Legend of the Seeker–c’mon, there’s a show much worse than Lost…I can’t bear to watch 20 minutes of (though I do like that guy with the goofy long face for some reason….)
Aight I’ll fast forward through all the lame parts.
Final ep: views
Didnt love it 4275
Loved it 1066
Exactly. Even with mass deletions of negative posts, the mob has spoken.
Where was this poll taken?
Looks about right…
Fuselage.
its views (as opposed to the mystery of the deleted posts) always tracks closely to the real viewer reaction.
sorry, I double posted this in a reply. That’s exactly what I was thinking.
LOST
Over 45 minutes of adverts… at $900,000 per 30 second spot = over $81,000,000.00 for the final episode.
- Bill
source: Sex On A Submarine
the figures are insider and completely accurate.
to quote Lethal Weapon 2, who’s the dickhead now?
the writers. the writers are still dickheads. this just explains what LOST was all about.
I’m glad those hack bullshitters Damon and Carlton lucked-out somehow and still find themselves in such a priveleged position to go on showcasing their superb storytelling skills in future projects certain to suck.
Don’t forget about all the ca$h, to boot.
Let me get this right.
Option #1
They all died in the crash – all was purgatory from the start.
My preferred crappy ending theory.
Option #2
They died at the “Incident,” after they all committed suicide by detonating an A-Bomb. In this case, it is also OK to go to “the light” (heaven) as well. That is redemption?
It’s more absurd than that. The official version being shilled by their agents at eg the fuselage and facebook is
3. jughead exploded and did nothing but put them forward in time, everything on the island is RREEEEAAAALLLLLL jack dies then catches up to all the other lostoids in the church with no name and too many religions (they’re all good whatever floats your boat).
And to the bitter end and past it the ABC Obama style troll patrol online is pushing the wheelbarrow of “if you didn’t get it or don’t like it you are fucking assclown”.
Only… we aren’t the assclowns amigo. Oh no.
“3. jughead exploded and did nothing but put them forward in time”
Wait a minute: Were they alive when they got pushed forward in time? WHEN DID THEY DIE?
It sounded to me like they lived entire lives after the fact. That’s why Hurley managed to be ‘a great number 1′, alongside Ben. Lapidus, Miles, and everyone else went back to civilization and did whatever. This timeline where they go to church and hang out with ghost dad is their second chance, where the island is already sunk and their Australian plane never crashed. They’re living their life as they would, except now they know that they also had lives together on the island.
Option #1 makes the most sense; that’s why the writers abandoned it.
Option #2 has a kind of internal story-structure sense if the detonation kicked off all the alt-verse stuff. It means 1) everything that happened on the island is real (which would explain why all these people have all these special relationships that would help them through purgatory), and it also means 2) the writers are complete dicks and assholes because everything on the island WAS real yet the writers chose not to explain all the mysteries they came up with. Instead of cleaning up their gigantic mess, they took a massive shortcut by blowing up the bomb, throwing 5 years of plot into the trash, and starting over with a new series that’s all about a bunch of dead people working through purgatory.
Option #3 requires a whole new level of stupid, but Christian’s little speech points somewhat in that direction. Since time has no meaning in purgatory, people could’ve died on the island -OR- gotten off the island and died later. But the fact that they were all there waiting for Jack just makes him the slow child of the universe. PLUS, the writers still avoided answering all the nonsense they cooked up in S. 1-5.
Option 1 sucks least (though it’s still a cop-out); Options 2 and 3 both contain way more suck—that’s why I’m sure one of them is what Damon and Lindelof now consider the Lost canon. These guys are complete frauds.
“PLUS, the writers still avoided answering all the nonsense they cooked up in S. 1-5.”
Forgot to add: With Option 3, we also have to believe all the island crap that happened in Season 6—not the least of which is that Lapidus, Miles, et al. fixed a jet airliner with solder and duct tape, turned it around on a beach, and took off. Jeesh!
Option 3 is the one that Bad Robot is pushing for serious and for true.
And the LOST cultists are picking up what the puppetmasters are putting down.
What a world.
The end of this is just plain sickening. Not that I had high expectations, but I did think they would maybe have Ben or Whitmore or someone, give a history of the Island – Even if it was only five minutes long… but nothing.
Six years of random shit, with an ending everyone predicted at the beginning.
Protect the light… wow. That sucks.
Remember the lame tie in book Bad Twin or whatever? Its fictional author was Gary Troup or Troupe.
IE Gary Troup = Purgatory
an anagram.
the end.
yeah they really should have just stuck to the island=purgatory idea. So what if we guessed it forever ago? It’s the answer that best fits the series……..
Lost is like Religion. It’s too retarded and illogical and lame but the majority worship it. I’m an atheist and absolutely despised the finale. Not for the religious reasons it’s because it was a cop out. Life is too hard, let’s go to purgatory to move on and go the afterlife and leave the most important answers behind because we don’t need answers! We just have to believe.
Again. I don’t. What is the island, i’m tired of theories!
I didn’t watch the ending. I just fast forwarded over that shit.
I have to say, those are the shortest character arcs stretched out for the longest amount of screen time I’ve ever seen. Let’s recap.
In the pilot episode, Jack just wants a hug from his dad. In the finale, he gets it.
In the pilot episode, Jin is a little domineering over Sun, but it’s because he loves her. In the finale, Jin is less domineering and now they have a slightly better and more loving relationship than they did when they only spoke Korean.
In the pilot episode, Sawyer is a conflicted bad guy who always tries to do the right thing. In the finale, Sawyer is a conflicted good guy who always tries to do the right thing.
In the pilot episode, Locke was paralyzed by his father but the island made it possible for him to walk again. In the finale, Locke paralyzed himself and rendered his father a vegetable but Jack makes it possible for him to walk again.
In the pilot episode, Kate was running from her misdeeds done with good intentions. In the finale, Kate is sprung out of jail by Desmond.
In the pilot episode, Rose was waiting for her husband with whom she had a great relationship and loved very much. In the finale, Rose is with her husband with whom she has a great relationship and loves very much.
In the pilot episode, Hurley just wants to help people. In the finale, Hurley just wants to help people.
In the pilot episode, Boone just wants to help his sister stay out of man trouble. In the finale I have no idea what the hell happened with that whole bar scene, but I’m sure it involved Boone wanting to help his sister stay out of man trouble.
In the pilot episode, Shannon wants to wait to eat until she gets on the plane. In the finale, she wants to get out of a pile of garbage.
I think a lot of us will have to slowly come to the realization that Darlton rendered this a character driven show by delivering an ending which invalidated every mystery that was show.
Ya Puk, If I thought this was going to be a SIX YEAR LOVE STORY, I never would have started to watch it for fuck sake.
Now that’s what i call character-driven character development that’s all about the characters!
So why is it that these characters make illogical choices and actions constantly simply to further the plot that we find out doesn’t even matter, so that we finally get to the point of Jacob and MIB, who also don’t matter, so that the ending can be tacked on which has nothing to do with the characters other than “they died?”
I think the writers just don’t have that kind of experience. Imagine giving your 8 year old son his very own marketting firm or getting him to set up a golf charity party.
The whole finale was a pile of hot “steaming” garbage!
If the writers of Lost had written:
Star Wars
Episode 4 – Luke blows up the Death Star. Episode 5 – the Empire gets the upper hand. Episode 6 – the Emperor and Darth Vader somehow turn nice, and Luke has a final showdown with an Evil Ewok who hides in a glowing tree in the forests of Endor who wants to end the world by spinning a crudely constructed wooden disk around his head on a piece of rope.
Lord of the Rings Trilogy
The Fellowship – Elves, Dwarves, Humans and Hobbits join forces to throw the ring of Sauron into the fires of Mordor. The Two Towers – Sauron’s forces seemingly get the upper hand. Return of the King – Sauron turns nice somehow, but Frodo has to battle a cat in a spacesuit who wants to end the world by turning around in a circle three times while singing a space shanty.
lol
Damon Lindelof’s explanation of the concept of the show. He states that: “This show is about people who are metaphorically lost in their lives, who get on an airplane, and crash on an island, and become physically lost on the planet Earth. And once they are able to metaphorically find themselves in their lives again, they will be able to physically find themselves in the world again. When you look at the entire show, that’s what it will look like. That’s what it’s always been about.”
For FUCKS sake.
Pick one agitprop and stick to it for chrissakes!
“And once they are able to metaphorically find themselves in their lives again, they will be able to physically find themselves in the world again.”
Except they’re all dead when they find themselves, so they’re not in the world anymore.
Fail.
This is like the dream come true in cross examination where each new statement is contradictory until it’s time to just sit down because the witness has set themselves on fire to the point where there’s just going to be a fine gray ash left.
Yeah and then they are going spread it in a circle around Godspeed’s house…..
…for no explicable reason and to no real effect ultimately.
Jacob’s daughter: blown to bits
Smokie: suddenly human
Goodspeed: never explained including the frigging shack.
good stuff!
Was there anything that really made sense, even if they did explain it? These fuckers wasn’t on dope. They were just dopes…..
Just posted on the Didn’t Love it thread
hxxp://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?p=2359583&posted=1#post2359583
I am post #114
Lets see if they remove it, or any before it.
OMG, check out the first post on the Didn’t Love it thread
“I did bawl at the ending, but I’m PO’d that everyone basically got a close up – except Claire. Even in death, Jack practically ignored her…………so did Christian.”
What a douche.
That thread is largely contaminated by apologists, not genuine did not love it posters. Also what the fuck is up with all the insults from the mods everywhere else? So we’re now trolls and ONSers (whatever the fuck that means) because we aren’t blowing the writers?
Fuck them all.
I’m surprised they don’t delete these posts as they are pro episode not con
Funny that. Almost like it’s just about pimping their masters’ show and not really a community at all.
I think you’re nominally only allowed to post in the didn’t love it thread if you didn’t love it and only post in the loved it thread if you loved it. Nice seeing the moderators are unbiased there.
I have gone from 178 posts to 5 posts and been banned for double identity even though I told them politely I nuked my old email because I was being stalked, death threated and spammed to death on it.
The first 2 pages of “didn’t love it” posts sure show lots of love with only a little bit of hate thrown in.
I wonder why these didn’t get deleted?
That’s what I was wondering.
I posted a new thread on Lost-forum when this site was down – it wasn’t approved by the mod.
This makes it clear how many idiots are fans of Lost The finale was fantastic – it is not all about answers…I couldn’t care less about answers after the finale – it has always been about the characters and they rounded that all off spectacularly.
-post 115.
oddly despite that fact it contravenes their rules in a couple of ways… there it is. no warning, deletion or anything else.
seen this happen so often before on so many forums. they are releasing what pass for the hounds.
or if your prefer pissant smoke monsters.
THE FINALE WAS A FANTASTIC FAILURE!
Can you copy what you wrote here?
I don’t have a fuselage account so I can’t view anything anymore.
Dead souls, magnetic engrams, volcanic island, DC-8 airplane – Lost gets the Tom Cruise and the Church of Scientology seal of approval!
Yes, it has been discussed that they may have ripped off L. Ron’s writing style. Watch out for those COS attorneys, JJ!
There sure was a strong dose of death and worship of death in the last few episodes and in the finale. Locke’s butcher shop of random acts of murder morphing into the shiny happy people in the church waiting to move on.
I’m sure there’s a message in that but damned if I see it.
Who cut the final scene where they all drink the cyanide kool aid? What you saw was the writers pulling off a mass suicide. Plain and simple.
Nothing life affirming. If people see redemption in any of that then they have rocks in their heads.
BOOM
Jonestown
Finale episode aired on a Sunday. Church. Those clever Einsteins.
It looked like a fucking party for christ’s sake. I’ve never seen so many people in one room happy to be dead before…
PS Why were they so happy to be dead?
Why does this group of strangers mean more to one another than their respective family and friends? Seriously, they all waited around to find one another instead of the people who actually mattered in their lives.
They dig strangers more than friends because they’re all enormous douches.
It’s literally Hollywood logic. It’s what’s normal for the people inside the echo chamber.
Ya, that was the first thing I thought of.
Exactly. Why wasn’t Bai Ling there? She did Jack’s tattoos. They shared a carnal bond. That means nothing? Jack is so shallow. I hope that magic church pew was on an express route to HELL.
It’s pretty much got to be. The “respect” to the different faiths is pure Oprah or Ba’Hai style tolerant DISrespect. There is no point of genuine contact between islam, christianity and buddhism except on the most superficial level. Islam excludes that form of tolerance and so does christianity which says that it is the only way to salvation. Tibetan buddhism would just say that the church scene is ANOTHER hallucination, and that until the dying person’s soul ceases to be confused and abandons all human concepts and appearance it will remain in a sterile hell of illusory worlds forever.
To hollywood deep thinkers like the writers though it’s the soft bigotry of low expectations combined with the typical unspiritual materialistic attitude to religion-as-drug: they all get you high the same way so it’s cool.
Utter bullshit and just… wrong wrong wrong.
I’d love to know if the writers discussed having Vincent in the church. If they did, I’m sure they chickened out because they didn’t want to face the protests from the waves of Bible-thumpers who live for this sort of thing.
If they were honest about what Vincent really was in the Pilot and The End, there would be a solid reason why a church would be one of the places you would NEVER see it. It is a creature of thresholds and gates and mouths, not of actual indwelling or within spaces.
The fuck are you talking about? Exactly which parts of this shitfest do “Bible-thumpers” live for?
Get real.
I’m not a bible thumper… but many LOST cultists are, as evidenced by the posts on the Fuselage. Vincent is as magical as everything else on the island. He is cerberus.
You got to be kidding…
Bible-thumpers live for going after anything they believe is sacrilegious—like allowing a dog to be present in purgatory with a bunch of humans.
Could someone who actually understood what happened please try to explain it to me, these theories are all over the place. Oh, thank heavens! I’m back to my old self again! Thank you so much! Here’s a letter from the Princess!
Darlton wrote themselves into a corner, so they came up with this pergatory crap to be able to say none of the mysteries matter.
One toot on this whistle will send you to a far away land!
The fuselage just closed my account again.
For FUCKS sake. Welcome to the club.
I’ve really shied away from quirky, off-beat series, since “Twin Peaks”, because the episodic nature of television seems to cause producers and writers to get so caught up in the buzz of being quriky that it becomes an end unto itself — more important that the actual plot continuity.
Once you go down that path, you end up with stories that tend to throw random oddities at the wall to see if they’ll stick, with no concern about how those oddities might actually stick together long-term, so that surprise Plot Point A eventually has some logical relationship with however many other surprise plot points that follow. It’s almost like the TV version of a Pyramid scheme, where you need more and more off-beat ideas or moments to feed the demand to maintain the show’s buzz, before the whole thing collapses on itself.
=Doc Zero at Hot Air.
absolutely. i’m done with serials for the same reason. if someone comes up with an idea for a serial, where they are allowed to say, i have an idea for something that can fill 3 seasons (beginning, middle, end), and it can’t go past the 3 season mark, otherwise it won’t work, than than would be great. but the nature of television is they won’t allow that to happen. so even if something starts off well, with no definitive story arc, it just gets dragged on until all the juice is sucked out of it.
these assholes have less of an excuse because they actually had a proper amount of time to map out the story, and just chose to ignore everything they introduced in the first place.
i think that’s why True Blood works as a show. all the arcs are within the season, with characters introduced that may or may not play into the following season.
Try British TV. Lots of shows are only intended to be single series and get maybe one or two more if they’re really successful. a.la. The Mighty Boosh, IT crowd, from recent history. Too tired to present more examples, but there are heaps of good limited series shows from across the pond.
The office? 14 episodes.
We turned it into 125+ eps.
The Brits like their shows rare and palatable.
We like our shows well-done until there’s no flavor left to squeeze out.
Absolutely. Can you imagine Fawlty Towers being 150 episodes long? Blech!
Que?
I broke my five year abstinence of watching Lost just for the finale. I am so happy I did not watch the shit fest for six years or Mr. Foot would have met r. TV.
For half a second I thought Lost was going to get cool in the finale. After Locke was shot and killed they cut to the scene of Locke waking up in the hospital. He said, “It worked” and I thought the smoke monster had jumped realities and was going to open a can of whoop ass on Jack and all the survivors in the alt-universe. Unfortunately, within seconds, I realized that would be cool so it couldn’t happen on Lost.
By the way, did anyone else think the scene of Desmond taking the stone dildo out of the islands glowing ya-ya was cribbed from Star Trek II. The flashing light, the shape of the stone, it all seemed very Spock vs the warp core to me.
Is it any coincidence that JJ Asshole is planning to rape Kahn in the next Star Trek movie?
Also, Jack didn’t say any magic words over the muddy water so how did he pass on his specialness to Hurley?
I know it doesn’t matter because Lost sucked, sucks, and always will suck.
Having Locke transfer into Jack’s delusion (see my post below) to make him face death would have been very scary and cool. But so scary that many Lost-Lifers would probably need therapy.
I think the “smoke monster” was the smoke from the burning plane in Jack’s mind. Anyway that is the last I will think about Lost, I got other things I need to be moving on to.
If JJ Asshole does a Kahn instead of something original like that last one, which was brilliant…. Let’s put it this way. I expect them to ruin every other Star Trek movie, it is a known trend. So he probably will and I will probably be mad.
here’s what irks me the most. they had three seasons to find a way to resolve existing mysteries while setting up the finale and introducing other smaller plot devices along the way. instead they just allowed it to all pile up so that there was no way they could resolve anything without it being like they were checking items off a list. but the point is, they had 3 YEARS to map it all out. i just don’t understand how they could fuck it up so bad, and how so many people can be satisfied with it.
The average IQ is 100. Some people are 50 and some are 150.
100 is still pretty stupid. I hope that answered your question.
I’ve been lurking on some other Lost forums and have read this complete thread (except for that bogus-ass proselytization text stuff, what was that all about?)
On some sites there is already elaborate threads of “teachers” answering questions of the “flocks”. They have it all down that the island was on earth and there was this purgatory place which was not.
Denominations of belief are already occurring…. (so what else is new about Lost?). It is a TV show. One that did not have Christ in an afterlife situation insulting all fundamentalist Christians everywhere. But I digress…
(Tom Cruise) I want the truth!
(Jack Nickelson) You can’t handle the truth!
Premise: This all happened in Jacks head as a before death delusion that he has not going to die. Ripped from The Sixth Sense.
The main evidence is the difference in Jack’s cloths. But in the first episode he just has survived a plane crash that fell several thousand feet and he landed on ground or water at which height is like concrete. i.e. him getting up and running in his suit, the suit is part of the delusion.
In the end we see Jack close his eye on a quiet beach strewn with air crash debris. This was the real last thing Jack saw. So there is a strong implication that the whole thing happened in a nano-second to borrow some language from Jimmy Kimmel.
But Jack’s Father said what he did on the island was the most important thing he did in his life. i.e. he was alive. Well, duh, he’s standing there listening to that, he can’t be dead. Premise: There is no death. Ripped from Poltergeist. Second possible premise: That speech is part of the delusion and you can’t have a delusion without being alive.
There were lots of clues to this was a before death delusion all along.
1) Every flash-whatever direction was accompanied by the sound of a jet engine. This is supposed to be life flashing before ones eyes during death.
2) We make fun of it, but “Boom Lost” is the plane crashing. They keep repeating the sound at the end of every show so we learn to ignore it. Except there is no sound at the end of The End, just silence.
3) Materials that break the laws of physics, Time Travel, Islands that disappear and reappear. These things don’t happen in our reality. The Hatch happened early in the show thus right from the start is not possible in our world.
4) The light at the end of tunnel, while being introduced near the last season was just blatant.
5) All the time spend on morbidity (e.g. skeletons and ghosts) and killing.
6) At the beginning of Season 6, Jack is on the plane holding on to his seat during the turbulence. Rose says, “You can let go now”. This is up to interpretation, but to me it said he he had died at least from the time of the nuke.
Since we were told by the writers they weren’t going to do a “Sixth Sense” like show, we were sold number one and number two. They served this literally right on television, and most viewers willingly excepted it as “just a cigar”. You should all be outraged. I found it embarrassing.
They so professionally executed a long con. This is why they have Sawyer use this phrase.
If all this is Jack’s delusion then every scene that didn’t involve Jack didn’t actually happen and didn’t matter at all. Many of those that did involve Jack didn’t matter either as we later found out.
They also left one big plot hole, who’s purpose is to keep this sort of cult interest in the show in perpetuity.
If Kate and Sawyer are in the church ready to move on, where are the other Kate and Sawyer taking off in the plane going?
Ben and Hurley are the so called number one and number two and they mention this at the church. The latter two could be evidence of more time happened on the island as many of the “teachers” are professing. But it could also just end right after they say the number one and two thing (see above as to the only reason they actually say this).
But these are things that force us to consider what Jack did had real consequences. Or it could be part of the delusion? Or can there just be more than one of everybody? Honestly, this is the one thing in The End that actually interested me for a few minutes.
But I concluded this is because they simply didn’t dare killing off favorite main characters. I can’t come up with a less lame answer to this confusing ending.
Lastly the idea that all these people are on the same journey as Jack would imply that other lost souls are finding their way together. That would imply that things are happening “outside” Jacks mind. It could be these are characters in Jack’s delusion, such that they are all some version of Jack. Or it could imply that all their disembodied minds are having the same delusion inside some kind of container that being…. what…. the mind of God?
Oh no, I’m philosophizing. I gotta get outta here. Flame away.
It’s really more of a thud-sound than a boom-sound though.
Maybe they had the same mass delusion because they watched the inflight movies that Darlton ripped off just before the crash.
See, Christian has said some whack shit to this son of his over the years. Remember the whole don’t try thing, you don’t have what it takes? That is some classic shit right there.
Christian goes from the bad role of daddy to the good role of guide / advisor. Makes zero sense. He is dead ab initio, and therefore Christian is some hideous nonhuman entity fucking with Jack or a spirit fucking with Jack.
The key points being Jack is dead, we never see him alive and- his father or father ghost is massive massive douche.
The change in Dad’s personality was noticeable. No explanation for that except reconciliations before death? You know this show is about some pretty dark stuff. What were they thinking?
I also wanted to mention that with closed caption on (I couldn’t hear it outright), Rose first says to Jack, “You HAVE to let go now”. Then she repeats it as “You CAN let got now”.
Oh, and Jack getting “fatally pierced in the side” is just… blahhhh.
As I noted in a reply post above I consider the smoke monster to be the reality of a jet engine fire seeping in the delusion. Man the more I think about this, it really makes it frightening. If the smoke monster suddenly changed into that and Jack gets hurled back into his seat of the plane going down… that is acid trip stuff. Stay away from that.
LOL an acid trip that’s like a Lost episode, can you imagine?
I bet someone with that experience would never touch acid again, unless they liked Lost.
I’ve just put up on my blog what I think the real slim smokey was. short answer: Lord of Death.
yours is way the fuck scarier.
also unlike the darlton version it makes sense and is horrifying.
jacob’s ladder spinning head demon / helicopter scary.
“They so professionally executed a long con. This is why they have Sawyer use this phrase.”
Sawyer also says “son of a BITCH” a lot. He’s referring to the writers.
Sawyer also called Hurley a bonehead once. I believe he was talking to us.
You can lipstick on a Pig, but it’s still a Pig.
Time is different on the island, so yes it could of all happened in a few seconds and then Jack died. It doesn’t make the ending any better!
Wow. Waiting SIX SENSELESS SEASONS for a ‘SIXTH SENSE’ SOLUTION.
So the all thing was just one big collective mental-masturbation by all those dead people.
How fitting. How fitting.
You know, I really love this site, but, I am SO FUCKING DISGUSTED by this all affair that I don’t want to be reminded of it any more. Unfortunately, coming to this site does that.
So I guess that the following will be my last 3 comments.
The first is a poem.
The second is something about Damon.
The Third is my favorite post (by me) – A bit masturbatory but hey, sometimes it’s the only way to finish.
See you in a better show, bruthas.
———————————-
How many realties must a show have
Before you call it a sham?
How many answers must they avoid
Before you see they have none?
How many characters must they create
Before you say “I am done”?
The answers, my friend, are nothing but the wind.
The answers are nothing but the wind.
How many years must a show exist
Before we throw it to the sea?
How many fools must there exist
To keep it running on TV?
How many times can a man roll his eyes
Before he just doesn’t want to see?
The answers, my friend, are nothing but the wind.
The answers are nothing but the wind.
How many times the fans will look up
a reference so they know “why”?
How many neurons they must have
To see it was a pie in the sky?
How many electroshocks till they know
That it has all been a big lie?
The answers, my friend, are as flimsy as the wind.
The answers are as flimsy as the wind.
- His charm is so noncontagious that no vaccine was created against it.
- All the checks he writes are to be cashed six years later, but are never honored.
- He received an honorary mayorship of Grub Street, but his acceptance speech was so hokey they took it away.
- Women break up with him because “He talks a big game but never finishes strong”.
- Male nude models shave their pubes to match his facial hair.
- The turn of the 20th centuray called him once, and demanded its hat back.
- He once wrote Princess Diana a ‘Bon Voyage’ card. You know the rest.
He is Damon, the most infuriating writer in the world.
“I don’t always write scripts, but when I do, I prefer them Hacky”
“Stay clueless my friends”
Actually many people of fame have expressed their opinion about ‘Lost’, I’ve meticulously scoured the net and found you some of their comments:
- Lost’ is a systemic anomaly, an unchecked equation trying to manifest its dominance over the TV matrix, facilitating a chain reaction resulting in widespread disturbances to the congnitive subcurrents of its intended victims.
Ergo, the ones, namely those who endeavor to countervail the vitriolic manifestation endemic to such grotesqueries, must endure a prolonged perturbation induced by their adversaries who are motivated by their innate inabilities to grasp their own predicament inasmuch as to render them an unwitting agents of the programers. But, rest assured that following an epistemic engagement the ones shall be proven triumphant.
The Architect.
- I suggest you invest heavily in Lost – invest emotionally, invest your time, and buy all the DVD’s, because after it’s all said and done, your investment will yield a great profit.
Bernard Madoff
- ‘You give us 60 minutes, and we’ll give you absolutely nothing”
JJ Abrahms
- ‘We do by 10 o’clock what most shows do by 9:03′
Damon Lindelof
- ‘Nothing you wanted to know about anything, and don’t you dare to ask!’
Woody Allen.
- ‘If the story stays at one place long enough, eventually the entire plot will pass through your TV.”
Confucius.
- ” I think, therefore I ain’t (a Lost fan)”
Rene Descartes
- “The crumble in the jungle; the mismatch in the hatch, the stall all through the fall, a snoozer for the loser; fancrapstic superdubioulicious spectacacale.”
Don King
- ‘The degeneration of the imperialistic infidel dogs has reached a new low’
Osama Bin Laden
- “Schizzle this drivel”
Snoop dogg
- I pity the fool who loves this show
Mr. T
- “I hate this motherfucking show, we should kick the shit out of its creators”
The Dalai Lama
- “Guilty, Guilty, Guilty”
The tribunal from ‘Superman II’
- ‘Hulk mad’
Bruce Banner
- I want to cut Darlton’s balls, they talk down to sci-fi fans like they’re stupid.
Jesse Jackson
- ”I’m glad to see they agree with our “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy”
The U. S. Army spokesman
- If the clues don’t fit, the show must be shit.
Johnnie Cochran
“Crumble in the Jungle”
Good one.
Carl Sagan had this to say:
“Their posturings, their imagined self-importance, the delusion that they have some privileged position on the television are challenged by this shitty episode of a failed show.”
-Carl Sagan on Darlton.
Anyways Jelson, dude, it was nice knowing your whylostsucks persona. See you in another life, brotha.
-”Simpsons did it!”
General Disarray
-”In the end the answers Darlton will make are equal to the bullshit you will take”
Lennon/McCartney
Homer Simpson on the Lost finale:
DOH!!!
couldnt agree more
ssshhhhh, I just fucked your sons dog
That almost makes enduring this whole shit series worth the pain.
An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge by Ambrose Bierce.
The Third Policeman.
VALIS.
They couldn’t resist flaunting it.
fiction.eserver.org/short/occurrence_at_owl_creek.html
hey bro, not wanting to re-open any can of worms, or can of blog spam either, but is this a half-assed take on the bardo-viewpoint work or am I floating off hydra island without a life jacket?
Everyone died when the plane crashed. The entire show was representing the transition point after death, when you first begin to realize that you are dead and the ensuing confusion you might feel about that. The degree of confusion you manifest, depends on how well you prepared yourself to cope with this inevitable post-living experience. Given the degree to which the Lost characters got caught-up in this highly confusing and emotionally charged set of experiences, I would say they spent very little time, while alive, developing their ability to remain calmly observant of oneself, no matter what the circumstances. So unless they get their act together, most of them are destined for a less than auspicious rebirth. It’s actually a pretty heavy show. And no, gathering in a way-station and heading into the light is not getting your act together. It’s just as likely to be another temporary delusion before an even greater state of turmoil sends you into a panic and launches you squawking and squirming down the vaginal canal of some random, human or non-human animal.
Critiques?
I think it’s basically purgatory as of crash of 815.
Then here in the real world here us I mean darlton succumb to the power of the darkside and spin the story into ultimately unhealthy and pointless directions.
so original plan = oriental type purgatory ie dharma, karma, bardo – then rebirth into better version of reality. that plan goes out the window to make money.
cuts to season 6 – gets quickly wrapped up with half assed back to purgatory idea since by this stage they can’t fulfill the original bardo type plan.
so you are right, but the deceitful writers didn’t follow through on the original plan and didn’t replace it very well.
I spammed with the bardo stuff to comprehensively show that six dharma stations = six dharma bardo states etc.
DHARMA Initiative – DI – darlton are D&D type nerds, DI in D&D means divine intervention. and so on.
And yes, if one looks at the finale from the point of view of the actual religions of the east, in particular the Bardo Thodol, then it is nothing more than another delusion. Of Jack’s, in fact. This is an extremely selfish spiritual journey and traumatic as a result. The constant doubling, tripling of roles through the show is due to one solipsistic worldview. Jack’s.
Evidence abounds for this, from the strange typo on the hospital door Kate goes through when she visits cancer Mom to all the meaningful lines in the first few eps.
But at the end of the day, this show is a clusterfuck. It’s totally unclear.
I am no longer but I was previously a Tibetan Buddhist and I have to say I find the hollywoodisation of one of the most sophisticated philosophies of death and dying – the Tibetan Method – appalling. They’ve done to the Bardo Thodol what all those horrible hospital shows do to medicine. Just repulsive. For cheap effect. Typical materialists.
Thanks for that clarification.
I think that, regardless of their own personal beliefs, they were playing to a christian audience and so they risked catching even more flack if they’d stayed with a singular non-christian viewpoint. So we end up with a dogs-breakfast. In the land of artistic pursuits, mash-ups occasionally work with music, but rarely in film.
Do you mean philosophical materialists or people who only care about amassing monies and shit they dont need?
I’m afraid it’s both.
no that’s just a futurama reference. the latter. the latter.
seeing spirituality of any kind as just another sprinkle to add to food kind of deal.
fuck now I’m talking like the hillbilly version of alex jones from fucking THEY LIVE.
If I was being exceedingly generous, one could rationalize the extended confusion and distractions of season 2-5 as an artistic representation of the confusion inherent in the period of time a dead person could spend struggling with reality of being completely disassociated from a material body. Season six, is a fustercluck of a pandering to the Judeo-christian worldview to which most of the audience can at least relate to if not whole-heartingly believe. To be fair, you had to inject an entire Wikipedia page(s) into this blog to introduce a viewpoint that is unfamiliar to most people raised in a materialistic pseudo-Christian culture. I think that portraying that perspective successfully on mainstream network TV is a big ask. Yes, it could be done, but could it be done and still be engagingly “dramatic” The crazy death bardo potentially awaiting us all (or not) sure has all the ingredients of high drama. Realizing that this physical form to which we are attached is finished certainly has the potential to shock the shit out of whatever awareness exists in the post-living bardo. That will make lost seem very tame in comparison.
I agree, except that there’s a perfectly straightforward comicbook of the Bardo Thodol that seems to manage it all. Right down to the Smoke Monster aka The Lord of Death Yamantaka. Think that’s the right spelling, doing it from memory.
I think it really was meant to be the Bardo. Tibet is sexy in Hollywood and crank versions of its religion are too.
Are they selling that comic book at the local Safeway-Target-WAL-Mart-SAMS Club vomit-orium? I doubt it. Can you get DVD’s of prior Lost series at any of the above? You-betcha! Talk about echo-chambers. Sexy-Madonna Kabala videos only sell to the vapid Hollywood set and their wanna-bees. Dharma Comics ain’t even selling well in that crowd. This was about as sexy a crank version of Tibet Buddhism likely to spew forth from the entertainment powerhouse of Damon and Carlton. With the emphasis on crank. Speaking of spewing crap, it’s the wee hours of the morning here in OZ and my limited ability to form coherent sentences is rapidly fading. Thanks for your reply’s and I may re-engage with this blog later>>>
It seems to me that this show defies precise disentanglement precisely because it lacks a single strand (or even separate but cohesive ones). The idea that everyone on 815 died in the original crash and the succeeding action was a post-life dialectic of some sort seems like a good starting point, but then we’re left with the problem of everything else on the island (including the wildlife, the Others, etc.) which exists independently of the 815 point of view. I’m thinking particularly of Ben’s book club meeting, interrupted by the plane crash, and his frenzied attempts to contain the situation etc. Then there’s the whole matter of the Oceanic 6 and their escape from the island back to LA, where again, there are elements of the world that exist quite apart from their POVs (suggesting it is what we normally conceive of as “reality”, not the collective experience of a small group of souls).
Ultimately it doesn’t matter much, I guess, since the expectations raised in the first season were completely dashed against the rocks like Lockie’s body in the finale. They proposed a mystery and delivered a soap-opera cum morality tale, only with very poorly defined moral sensibilities (a double fail). It’s like a Sherlock Holmes’ story where, at the end, Holmes tells Watson: “Who did it? I don’t know. I don’t really even care anymore. What matters is that I was able to share this time with you Watson.” That may be heartwarming in a rather mawkish way, but Conan-Doyle would be completely forgotten today. Ah well, he didn’t have the luxury of network television.
Speaking of which, I found (and still do find) it very odd that Darlton were so involved in the dialogue about the show almost from the beginning. Most writers would rather do anything than talk about what they’re working on. First, they know it would only disappoint their readers to learn the truth behind the fiction, and second, because talking about your writing generally kills the urge to actually write. If only we’d been so lucky on point 2.
To quote or paraphrase Blackadder, it began badly, it was all downhill from there and the less said about the end the better… But other than that, EXCELLENT.
Spot on.
Sweet. Blackadder… now there’s some quality television.
Damn straight!
“She’s got a tongue like an electric eel and she likes the taste of a man’s tonsils!”
Damon and Lindelof both get to play Baldrick because THEIR “cunning plans” always end up as well as his did.
Thank you Gentlemen!
Both you and Inherited Tiger set things straight with me offering exactly what the setup belief system was about within an economy of words.
I googled from your leading concepts and learned so very much.
Outstanding…and I am not one for doling out praise lightly!
They are super geniuses aren’t they?
I might be dense but wasn’t the island at the bottom of the ocean at the start of the season? So that didn’t happen or it did?
None of it happened.
By beginning it and ending it they way they did it put the whole show is a pure state of flux.
I will admit I found it entertaining. The music was good and some nice special effect. But I spent a lot of time watching it when I should have been doing other things.
I will likely never get involved in a serial mystery again.
It wasn’t a serial mystery!
It was all about the characters!
Waaahhhhh!
You weren’t involved in a serial mystery. LOST never followed the rules of mysteries, or played fair. So feel free to enjoy mysteries!
You are technically right that it wasn’t a standard serial mystery.
Maybe I could be more precise. I don’t want to get involved in a series again which I have to worry about
1) They will cancel it.
example: I was watching Flash Forward and thought that the variable future made it safe to watch. Canc-the-fuck-eled!
2) They will royally fuck it up but keep producing it.
example: Lost
Character – driven drama? HAHA Horse Shit!
Dido that. I’m sticking to comedies and themes
that writers can’t fuck up too bad. The new cop
show seems like it will be funny
The last scene of the finale should have been Vincent taking a big $hit on the island because that’s what we all thought of ending too!
Make it easy on yourself. They all died when the plane crashed. Everyone else was already dead. Ricardo was very clear he believed himself to be dead.
Except for a few bells and whistles, lt was almost a complete rip-off of “Jacobs Ladder”.
But know knowing that, I can walk away from this 6 year exercise in strangeness.
Its over- Go start watching something else…
I was very satisfied with the end, now that the Loosties are burning in hell. How come everybody thinks that they’ll go to heaven?
Only my fav characters like Lapidus, Waaalt, Michael, Eco didn’t join the flight to hell, i mean to “move on”.
Ben can’t move on. He was the number two of hurley, crap can’t go to heaven or hell, that’s a rule.
All the best for vincent, enjoy your meal.
Woof-woof!
grank-groo! Gracks-rummy! resery the riddle rausage!
Woof!
A massive turd can’t be flushed down to heaven or hell.
Maybe we can help. Think of this blog as a crap chopping clothes hanger or handy stick. If we can hack the lost turd into small enough bits there may be a chance that it will go down. Unless there is something wrong with the plumbing.
That’S brilliant!
The writers have to remember that you can’t polish the turd finale of Lost no matter how cheesy they made the ending.
Iza don’ now abou’ you-za, but Iza ain’t goin’ in any fuk’n build’n with a bunch overly dramah-tic white-folk. Dats a recipe fo’ dis-ass-ter!
You know why Victor re-emerged in the finale don’t you? Jack dying alone in the fronds—sad. Jack dying in the fronds with a loyal dog lying beside him—cue the waterworks.
Victor had no role in the finale, but they had to re-introduce him earlier on just so they could get this shot.
Make the chicks (and sensitive dudes) cry, and they’ll think you’re a genius.
Who is Victor?
Hurley said Ben was a great number two.
Does that me he eventually ate Ben and shit him out?
dude I am in tears. I totally missed that. Probably b/c I was fast forwarding that segment
I have made Pukster laugh. After years of reading his funny comments, I was able to return the favor.
I am fulfilled.
I can move on now.
BOOM
Heading into the light.
(Insert purgatory joke here)
AHAAHA totally!
That’s because the finale of Lost was one big bowel movement!
Well, I”m done with network TV. F-ing commercials. That is what LOST was about. Forget Temples, Statues, Dharma, Hatches, etc. The answer was $900,000…the amount they could charge for a 30 second ad.
Damon and Carlton have ruined an entire genre of television. Who is going to invest in a complex drama anymore? No one. And who is going to watch anything they took jerk offs produce in the future? No one. Not even the fanboys. When the dust settles they will realize they were duped.
Thank goodness I realized the emperor had no clothes early this season. I wish I would have seen the light back in season one.
Rather than coming to a logical end they felt compelled to make a Sixth Sense ending. Screw the Sopranos, Newhart, St. Elsewhere, etc. They should have realized the best and most loved endings can be powerful…like MASH without shocking the audience with some BS with shock value.
Amen to that. I must admit the only thing making my ass
feel better from getting fucked for six seasons is reading all
these comments.
Posted over at the fuselage. Pretty funny
” Originally Posted by Olivier_Hague
And now, a minute of silence for all the senseless fictional deaths… My heart goes especially to you, nameless survivors of both plane crashes, who got unceremoniously genocided (the ones from the Ajira flight didn’t even get an embryo of an explanation) simply because the writers didn’t know what to do with you. Sure, that happened to a bunch of actual characters as well, but at least those got to do something in the meantime…”
It was stupid to kill them off, having them escape on the plane would have given the scene more impact than about 5 dudes leaving on it.
Good old Jacob sending Widmore to the island to murder them, don’t see why Smokey would have done it when they would have been easily tricked into doing this bidding.
Would have been nice to see Hurley and Ben finding Cindy, the kids, and the remaining others it would have made Jack’s sacrifice seem more potent giving his life to save his friends and everyone on the island rather than for the island itself
The whole finale, the whole series even, was one big joke. They screwed with our minds!
LOST… The Big Con!
The “souls” can differentiate between life and death. Christian said:
“The most important part of your life was the time that you spend together with this people.”
He said: OF YOUR LIFE. He knows the difference between LIFE and DEATH, and i think crashing on an island and die, is kind of important. Yeah. So where are the other people, that crashed too? At the crash they didn’t barely know each other, except for the couples.
He said: OF YOUR LIFE. NOT inside the purgatory. Well, that means: The island was real. b/c they had an important time there. Important for their character development.
The island was real. Or the ghost is lying. He might be MIB, and maybe hell is awaiting them. MUHAHAHA.
I totally call meta on that dialogue. It’s just so cheesily what the cast and crew are obliged to say when it wraps.
You know what I would have liked (I’m sure this has been said before but I didn’t read all the comments yet, sorry).
I would have liked if they had kept with the vein of the first and second season, where everything was building up to be a large experimental island with the Dharma initiative behind it all. I would have liked if the others were tied in with that, and everything: the smoke monster, the polar bears, the hatches, the electomagnetism, and maybe even the goddamn time travel, was tied in with that too, somehow making it a science fiction show (albeit a bad one) instead of a six-year long allegory about good and evil (if that is even what the show is about, I don’t know anymore).
I think the guardian concept, the cave with the light, the flash-sideways, and the dead whispers don’t fit in with what the show pretended to be about when it started out. They are just ridiculous rehashed concept that shows the writers aren’t just incompetent, they are downright lazy.
I would have accepted a ’supernatural’ explanation, to a certain extent, to explain some things they’ve left hanging, like Walt’s specialness and Hurley’s medium abilities.
And finally, I would have accepted that some things were left up to the viewer’s own interpretation as well, if it had been well done. I think plenty of shows do a very good job of that. Lost doesn’t.
That’s all. I would have been able to put up with the bad acting, the poorly written dialogue, the jungle treks, the gun cocking, and the filler episodes (it’s network television after all), if they had stayed with that.
Ok rant over.
I talked to my friend who is a hardcore Lost fan (he got me started on it), and was all the way till now. He’s one of the idiots defending this show, and even he wants to stab the writers in the eyeballs after this shitty last season.
well said. This exactly why I fucking hate this show!!
All this bullshit about guardians and jacob and the retards saying it makes sense.
Fuck that. None of that shit has anything to do with what was so captivating about the first two seasons.
I kept holding out thinking they might get back to that stuff, but the joke is on me.
long con indeed
So the magic light is the butt hole of the island?
I would have considered this the best episode of the last 3 seasons, if Christian morphed into the MiB and revealed that they were going to hell, while he’d go to heaven.
Suddenly you see flames coming through the shiny door. haha
And you hear them screaming loud.
BOOM LOST
Or even do a Dale Cooper “where’s Annie” dealio.
A Fuselage post:
i have one hole that i think is a bit big and I want to confront someone with it and hope to get an answer.
when Ajira 316 crashed, and Sun and Lapidus boat over to Hydra island, they’re met by Christian Shepherd, or someone in his form, at Dharmaville. back on Hydra island, MIB has taken John Locke’s form.
SO, my question is… if MIB took Christian’s form when 815 first landed (to help them find water, as MIB claimed) then WHO was Christian Shepherd at dharmaville with Sun and Lapidus???
This is a major misconception of casual viewers. sigh Unfortunately I was a fangirl until this season, so let me explain.
Christian appeared to Sun and Frank many episodes before Ben woke up to Locke. Christian appeared in episode 9, Namaste. Locke appears to Ben in episode 12, Dead is Dead. MIB would have had plenty of time to appear as Christian, then cross over to Hydra Island and take the form of Locke.
God, I feel like I’m going to have a stroke.
So, I can’t get any long posts to stick. I will now share my email address in case anybody would like to stay in touch. It is an AOL account and the username is mintrubble71. Keep in mind, any porn spam or other shenanigans will be returned along with something guaranteed to melt your partition.
Special thanks to Tyler (even though his old, creaky site, does indeed suck balls) for being a sarcastic, douche-bag, just like me. Also special thanks to Preevyet for his thoughtful posts and service to our country. To everybody else, thanks for the many laughs and groans. This site has produced the finest assemblage of wit I have ever seen in one place on the net. You are all bitchin’.
BOOM!
Many thanks from the Chi.
Your welcome. Now let’s all walk into the light and pretend none of this ever happened.
You first! I’d be worried it was hell.
According to the Fuselage fuckwits, we are the new smoke monster.
Fair enough.
Wait, what?
No dude, we’ve been the carriers of THE SICKNESS. It has spread to their site (Didn’t Love It thread expanding)
They should have made us swallow that pill…..
This is the funniest post I have read over at the Fuselage
“Well, I shouldn’t be here. I loved this episode!
Just kidding suckers. Let’s beat this dead horse.
Mercifully, for the last time…
Let’s recap!
Let’s start off with Lindelof and Cuse’s big gimmicky twist that would make M. Night Shyamalan blush. Everyone in the Flash Sideways is in some vague purgatory waiting to realize they’re dead, or waiting for Jack to realize he’s dead, or helping others to realize they’re dead, or some vague dead BS. After flashing back and flashing forward, Lindelof and Cuse decide to flash all the way to dead. It’s cheesy. It’s a cop out. It’s lame. This twist combined with their inability to address many of the questions and plot lines they raised makes Lost a unique failure in TV history.
Sometimes the dead person remembers important people who were in their life, like their father, sometimes they make up people that never existed like a son, and sometimes they forget the people who were important to them… like everyone on the island. Did you seriously expect there to be some kind of coherent rules at this point?
Desmond is still flittering around purgatory helping everyone remember the island and realize that they’re dead… sometimes by setting up elaborate scenarios and sometimes by blunt force trauma. Part grim reaper, part Cupid, part Hulk Hogan = all stupid.
Charlie looks like he’s a skinhead going to a Goths only Halloween party.
Hurley says to Charlie, “What if I told you playing this concert is the most important thing you’ll ever do”. So apparently Charlie has been gothing it up for awhile and couldn’t move on for some reason until now… which just so happens to also be Jack’s time to move on. So you only exist in purgatory and move on once? So Jin and Sun are once again moving on without their kid? I want to kick Jin and Sun’s Lindelofs and Cuses until they can’t speak English.
Charlie is shot with a dart that knocks him out cold in .3 seconds.
Jack took the job because he says the island is “the only thing in my life that I haven’t managed to ruin.” Really? You believe you made the wrong choice in detonating the nuke, you killed Juliet, you wish you could tell John Locke that he was right about everything, and you had a hissy fit and smashed the magic lighthouse mirrors. You suck Jack.
Sawyer has somehow figured out that Locke needs Desmond to destroy the island. He does some fancy recon by crouching behind a bush 20 feet from Locke. Sawyer is caught by Bad Ben. Sawyer escapes by smacking Bad Ben, because everyone smacks Ben, and Locke lets Sawyer walk away and doesn’t kill him because he doesn’t.
Bernard and Rose have been living in Gilligan and Skipper’s hut. Bernard goes to the same hairdresser as Claire. His grooming habits have really gone down the drain but Rose is still sassy just as the law-of-portraying-an-African-American-woman on TV states she must be.
Desmond has a hunch that Locke wants to take him to a place with a bright light because the characters in the finale are really good at guessing the plot. All of their IQs have been dialed up to 80.
Locke tells Desmond that if he doesn’t do what he wants, he’s going to kill Mr. Howe and Lovey. Desmond makes the Smoke Monster pinky swear that he won’t hurt Scruffy and Sassy if he helps destroy the island… which would kill everyone. Bad deal Brotha. Bad deal.
So Locke is taking Desmond to the magic light cave that he previously couldn’t find but now can find.
Miles finds Richard who has been knocked unconscious for what must be 12 hours.
The world’s worst parents are still at the hospital and can’t speak English. Juliet cameo! What a surprise. Sonogram island flashback! Jin remembers the baby he never met, barely loved, and abandoned. We get another dramatic montage. Jin and Sun are all smiles, can speak English, and seem absolutely thrilled to be dead.
Sawyer meets up with Jack, Hurley, and Kate. Jack says that everyone is meeting up at the magic light cave. Sawyer asks, “Then what?” Jack replies, “Then it ends” and loud music from a John Wayne western is heard. Michael Giacchino must be paid per decibel.
Miles somehow notices Richard has a grey hair but doesn’t say a word about the eyeliner.
Lapidus is alive and has been floating around minutes offshore for over a day.
The whole gang bumps into each other on the way to the magic light cave. Jack tells Locke that he’s going to kill him. So much for the element of surprise. Locke says, “How do you plan to do that? Jack says, “That’s a surprise.” Oh, my bad. It is going to be a surprise. Well, Smoke Monsters love surprises because Locke is perfectly fine with all this and doesn’t even ask Jack to whisper the surprise in his ear.
Jack was married to Juliet for some reason in the Neighborhood of Make Believe. I don’t care. I really, really don’t care.”
Colin72. He is a mensch.
Part 2
“Sawyer asks Jack what his plan is. Jack doesn’t really have one but for some reason thinks Desmond is a weapon. Jack is a great leader. And by great I don’t mean great.
Jack, Locke, and Desmond go into the magic cave where the light isn’t as bright as it is outside.
Hurley and Boone have made some elaborate plan to get Sayid and Shannon together and we get another island flashback. It’s tough work in purgatory where you have to get a certain number of people together and help them realize they’re dead in order to help someone else realize they’re dead.
Claire is still crazy and wearing that dead badger on her head.
Someone tell Daniel that hat doesn’t make him look cool. And make him stop talking in hushed halting tones like he’s Keanu Reeves or something. Mercifully we don’t have to hear much of the Driveshaft concert.
Claire goes into labor as Desmond looks on with the smarmy self-satisfied grin often seen from pompous TV show creators.
Desmond is lowered into the cave by Jack and Locke. Jack somehow believes Desmond is going to become a weapon against Locke. Locke somehow believes Desmond is going to sink the island. They each came up with these theories the same way Lindelof and Cuse came up with this plot. They pulled it out of their magic caves.
There are skeletons in the cave of people who didn’t turn into Smoke Monsters and weren’t spit out of the cave.
Now Desmond is in the very bowels of the island and we see a butt plug shaped stone protruding out of the island’s orifice. Although removing the plug is really bad and will destroy everything and do really bad stuff and junk, no one ever thought to cover the plug with more rocks and seal off the cave. If they would have, there would be nothing to protect and live in fear of. Desmond grunts and groans and finally manages to pull the plug free from the island’s hole.
The island starts shaking and going all sorts of crazy. Everything seems to indicate that Locke was right and Jack was wrong, but that doesn’t stop Jack from impulsively tackling the Smoke Monster and punching him in his Smokey mouth. Locke bleeds which of course means that somehow his Smokey powers are gone. Luckily the Smoke Monster-magic light thing doesn’t have to make sense now because it didn’t make sense before. Keep things vague and unexplainable and you don’t have to explain anything. Locke smacks Jack with a rock but leaves without killing him so that Jack can wake up in a few minutes and come after him.
Claire is going into labor but there are no doctors at the fancy museum benefit to deliver her bay-bee. I guess Kate will have to do it. Great.
Eloise somehow knows everything about everything in the real world and in purgatory. But sorry, no more screen time for your story grandma.
Claire craps out one of those cute non-bloody TV babies and we get more of the dramatic flashback crap that will make the audience feel sad and distract them from the countless mysteries the show introduced and dropped. Bah. What mysteries? This is a show about characters. Bah. What plot holes? Who is Walt? Bah. Best finale evah! Bah.
Back on the island the cameraman is shaking the camera around really hard which let’s us know that all hell is breaking loose.
Ben who may be good or bad now is trapped under a tree. Miles, Lapidus, and Richard are still determined to fly the plane and are welding something to the windshield with a propane torch they bought at the hardware store.
Locke is at some cliffs where he has a boat. Instead of hurrying to the boat, he’s standing around at the ladder waiting for Jack to catch up with him like any good cartoon villain would. Jack yells his name and instead of climbing down the ladder before Jack gets to him, Locke runs at Jack and Jack obligingly runs at Locke. Jack does a slo-mo jump which somehow must temporarily stun Locke because he doesn’t use his knife to stab Jack. Jack smacks Locke and surprisingly his knife goes flying out of this hand.
Now some stuff happens that I’ve never seen before. The knife is loose and they wrestle around trying to get it. The knife is just out of Locke’s reach! The tension builds! Now Locke has the knife. He politely stabs Jack once in the side and pushes him to the ground. Locke brings his arm way back as if to say “Here it comes, I’m going to stab you” but luckily Jack catches Locke’s wrist right before the blade goes into his neck. The blade is right at Jack’s neck! Despite being above him and having all of his weight to push with, Locke can’t quite push the blade down. Locke takes a moment to taunt Jack and say, “I want you to know Jack. You died for nothing.” Just then, Kate pops up, shoots Locke, and delvers the line, “I saved you a bullet”. Jack kicks Locke over the cliff. Goodbye unnamed evil guy with ambiguous super powers acquired in an unknown way. I feel like we hardly knew ye. Mainly because we didn’t.”
part 3
“Meanwhile back in the Dead Zone, Locke wiggles his toes, has his poignant island flashback and realizes that he’s dead.
Jin and Sun meet up with Sawyer at the hospital and are still smiling all goofy and speaking English. Shut up you two.
Miles worked for a contractor renovating apartments for a couple summers so he knows how to fix the hydraulics in the nose of an airplane… with duct tape.
Kate asks why the cameraman is still shaking the camera now that Locke is dead. Jack somehow has figured out that Desmond turned off something in the cave and somehow has figured out that he can turn it back on. Jack could go with everyone on the plane but he can’t because he says he can’t. Kate and Sawyer could help Jack re-butt plug the island but they decide to leave despite being told previously that everyone in the world would die if the butt was unplugged and the light went out. Ben, who is no longer trapped under a tree somehow, and is now Good Ben, has been welcomed back into the moron posse but says he’s going down with the island. Hurley can carry a man out of a sinking sub to save his life but he’s not going to jump off a cliff into the water to save his life. Dude?
Jack and Kate exchange I love yous completely out of the blue… although Jack was married to Juliet in puratory for some reason. Who knows. Whatever. It’s almost over.
Sawyer runs into Juliet in the Land of Misfit Toys and makes me long for the days we watched her dying for an hour and a half.
Sawyer doesn’t ask her what the hell she meant by “It worked” but they have their romantic flashes and Juliet spits out the line about getting coffee sometime. They embrace, Sawyer works in some “I got yas”, Juliet says, “Kiss me James”, and he complies after delivering the line “You got it Blondie”. I throw up, urinate, crap myself, and lose control of all of my bodily functions. Sorry, I’m allergic to cheesy dialogue callbacks. Don’t judge me.
Kate and Jack meet up in purgatory. Kate touches him, he has an island flashback, and although he’s grown tremendously as a character, is still too stubborn to realize what’s going on.
Back on the island, Jack is going into the cave and is bestowing his magical mojo to Hurley. Jack doesn’t know the magic spell mumbo jumbo and the river is dried up but Hurley drinks water from a magic mud puddle and shazam! Hurley is the new Jacob.
Jack goes into the cave and tells Desmond to leave despite the fact that Desmond is the only one who can survive the light. Logic and reason be damned! Jack is going to do this himself.
The un-flyable plane is now flyable thanks to some magic duct tape and just has enough runway to take off.
Jack somehow manages to survive the magic light, doesn’t turn into a Smoke Monster, and re-butt plugs the island. After all, Lost is about the characters not about silly things like rules, plot consistency, or story logic. Bah. Jack lays on the ground and laugh-cries. A new twist on the old sissy-face man cry.
If only someone special or magical knew that the way to cause the Smoke Monster to lose his power was to pull the plug on the magic drain and then quickly re-plug it, Desmond could have done that long ago.
Hurley and Good Ben have a good chat. Dude asks Ben, “What the hell am I supposed to do?” Ben tells Dude to do what he does best. Say dude a lot and eat stuff? No, “take care of people”. What people? Hurley asks if Ben will help him. Great idea Dude. What are the chances that Ben will turn bad and screw you over at some point? Hopefully the magic fairies keep dropping those Dharma supplies from their magic fairy spaceships.
Hurley has a heart to heart with Ben in purgatory. Hurley tells Ben he was a great number two. Lost is a great number two. A great big smelly number two.
Jack arrives at the funeral home where everyone else has gathered. He touches his Dad’s coffin and has more island flashbacks. Jack opens the coffin and there is no body. And then it happens… you were force fed one cheesy scene after another for over two hours… here comes a 10 minute enema.
Dear old drunken Dad is actually in the room behind Jack… and he’s dead… and Jack’s dead… and everyone is dead. Lost is dead.
Back on the island, Jack has somehow survived the light cave and somehow has been magically transported out of the cave. As he stumbles through the jungle, everyone in purgatory hugs and sad music plays.
Christian heavy handedly opens a door and a light shines through. On the island, Jack lies down. Vincent lies down beside him and we get a close up of Jack’s eye as it closes. Vincent perks up a bit. He’s hungry. Very, very, hungry.
Horrible.
Last week on the forum someone compared Lost to a bad relationship and I said…
After Sunday I’m breaking things off. I’m going over to her apartment, getting back my CDs and sweatshirt and calling her a dirty slut.
Well… Lost, you are a dirty slut. You lied to me, faked it, and probably gave me an STD.”
In the words of Jethro Bodine: “Sha-ZAM!” Years from now, instead of torturing myself over having wasted six years on LOST itself, I’ll look fondly back on the moment I first read this bit of genius. And laugh. And laugh some more.
It’s obvious that the writers got tired of writing scripts for Lost so they got a bunch of school kids to write the ending!
Bravo…more more
Colin72 did one of his snark recaps for each ep. No more eps means no more recaps. The End.
I only read his from Across The Sea onwards.
I’ve only gotten to Page 4 on the Didn’t Love It thread before I get kicked. I’m looking forward to Colin when I finally get there.
Wow Tyler you paid the bill…It’s actually sad that the penultimate shit-throwing that was destined to happen ran out of bandwith right at the apex…Haha sad…
Shuts eye…
BOOM
LOST
It was unfortunate. Sad was watching the moneysucker dolt herders at The Fuselage flashback to Germany 1940.
I liked most of the episodes; esp. the ones with charlie on it. I was Lost when Claire broke up with Charlie for no logical reason..
I watched ALOHA TO LOST on Jimmy kemmel Live Sunday night and I feel that Jimmy Kemmel’s show is a waste of time. To congratulate 5 men on their acting skills and then make a snid remark that he ‘thanks you for killing Ana Lucia’ to Michael shows that he has male chaunvinstic tendencies. I wish Jimmy Kemmel could read this and see how distasteful his comment is. I still love Charlie by the way. The only reason I watched JKL in the first place.
Claire and Charlie were back together in the finale and I loved that.
I am totally cool with all you said and have been here myself like five seconds, but just so you know, my fellow smoke monsters are totally going to beat down on you.
I agree in principle that they should have stuck with character arcs and given all the fans of the different characters and relationships some actual fricking closure. Some endings, happy or otherwise, that made sense.
To this day, I couldn’t tell you exactly how Charlie died. Or why. Yes I watched the ep where he died, but it is one of an endless series of episodes where thinking is definitely not recommended…
Even Charlie deserved better than that.
What are you talking about? The Ana Lucia pwnage scene was up there with Shanon assassination scene, and the Ilana explosive farewell, and almost as good as the Alex execution scene. What you should be asking is why Darlton only brutally murder the female characters. I want to see Jack get pounded in the head with a sledgehammer or have Mr. Eko’s nuts smashed endlessly for being such a self righteous douche.
See Eko…
any writer team that thinks being a spiritual professional, in this case a Catholic priest, is something so easy or unmonitored that a piece of shit Nigerian drug smuggler could wing it… these are not the folks we want handling our finale set in the church of the white light interfaith truthiness.
Dude that character bothered me. I’m an atheist, but even I was offended when he committed a murder in the church. And I was supremely pissed when he refused to beg for forgiveness.
What exactly one was meant to take from Eko I do not know.
And clearly we are “meant” to take stuff from the preachy writers. It’s their way.
I always hated Charlie. Maybe it was his ginormous nose. Maybe it was that he kept saying “You ALL Everybody” in a really high pitched voice. Or maybe it was b/c he was an all around cunt. But him dying did bring him some redemption. Because, you know. If he’s not there, then he can’t fuck up any more. Right?
I just always thought of the gay little Hobbits. I really hate those fucking movies.
*starts ducking barrage of rotten fruit and veg*
The Jimmy Kimmel stuff was the ONLY good part of the night’s programming. At least he was INTENTIONALLY trying to be funny. It was pretty clear from the interview segment that the cast of Lost don’t really like each other, and are just kind of glad it’s over. They really had NOTHING to say.
Best moments on Jimmy Kimmel special: The freaky Jacob kid skulking around in the background during the whole show. Also the prerecorded part with Josh Holloway, who at least seems to realize that Lost was utter shit.
The Bob Newhart part was funny, but utterly predictable and loses points because the two faggots (Darlton) were in it.
I missed the JK wrap-up (guess I could watch in online at some point) — I remember at some point during the first couple of seasons he did a “Lost: The Musical” that was hilarious and another bit with Billy Dee Williams as the Island mastermind (whose weakness was Pop-Tarts: “Oooo, the Pop-Tarts are ready!”)
It’s worth seeing. The cast literally look like they are going to squirm out of their skins. Matthew Fox comes off as sub-retarded.
HAHA so he also plays a retard in real life?
I liked that upthread comment that Jack turned out to be the slow child of the universe. I guess when his day finally comes, he really will be on the short bus to eternity.
NEVER go the full retard.
That will be on LOST’s tombstone.
Know what I was wondering when they finally got that Plane off the ground with a convenient Blow Torch (I’m still laughing) and Duct Tape?
As it soared over our dying One-Eyed-Jack in the Bamboo forest, I couldn’t help but wonder what the family and friends of all those deceased Ajira passengers thought when that heap finally landed (Guam I assume?). Guess they were just not that important. After all, we’re only talking about FIFTY lives here. Nobody’s gonna miss them…Right??
I actually posted the following on a site that PRAISED Lost in all its gutless glory…
“I understand what the “writers” wrote. I do. But I still HATED this ending. Once the dust settles and all the tears have evaporated, many will come to realize what a cop-out this show amounted to. I have nothing but praise for all the actors involved. They were just doing their job and they did so impeccably (hence the tears).
However, even within the confines of their own storytelling there are just way too many holes and flaws to overlook. I could list them all here, but who would really take the time to read all of em?
Aw hell, here’s one…What happens when the Ajira Plane lands (in Guam I presume)? Mmm, I guess no one will miss ALL THOSE PEOPLE who boarded in LAX and just disappeared off the face of the Earth…Oh well, guess we’re not supposed to be asking for answers, huh? And that’s just a small gripe.”
And here’s the response…
“If they land in Guam or wherever, they just say they had to crash-land on an island, make repairs, and fly away. And also a bunch of people were killed by boars. And also one of the people involved had a similar plane-crash/survival experience and was world-famous for it. It would just be a historical oddity, like that dude whose farm the first and last battles of the Civil War happened on.”
Ya, Right…
Your post: good.
The truly honestly insane response attempting rebuttal: indescribable. Absolutely surreal. This is taking cognitive dissonance from its traditional lofty Homer Simpson level and scaling the dizzying heights of lunacy.
It is funny isn’t it? Or maybe sad. I replied to the poster with…
“An “Historical oddity”? Boars? The Civil War? Sorry I couldn’t respond quicker or longer but I was laughing just way too much. Thanks for that. I needed it this monday morning…
I’m so glad I didn’t write the other 1,000+ idiotic “plot” holes / inconsistencies / flat-out moronic “events”.
Oh and Duck Tape? REALLY?? Oh man, now I’ve done it…I’m laughing again.”
Then people actually started to defend the plausibility
of Broken Plane + Duck Tape = Flight. That’s when I gave up.
It all makes perfect sense, in the real world, where all the events on the island took place.
The island that isn’t on any maps and is, like the show, named after a mythical Lost Island mentioned in a fantasmagoria written in the middle ages.
All. Real.
BOOM
LOST
When a show starts to get bad and they do a “stunt” to boost the ratings they say the show “jumped the shark.” That started with Happy Days.
Now there needs to be a new phrase like “Lost — (put your phrase here).”
Some examples could be:
Lost – blew smoke up our ass!
Lost – screwed the pooch!
Lost was just smoke and mirrors!
These are just suggestions. There has to be a better saying like “jumping the shark”. Maybe some of you can come up with good ones. I hope you can.
It should be about Lost’s terrible finale!
I was reading the didn’t love it thread on the fuselage earlier this morning, and when I refreshed the page the post i was reading went from the bottom of the page to somewhere near the top.
They sure love censoring that thread. An explanation i got from a regular there was that they think people from the actual show read the board and they don’t want to offend them by keeping negative comments towards them up on the board. Give me a break they deserve all the bashing they get.
This blog is the only place on the internet where you can express yourself freely. Unless you think LOST is good. In which case, Fuck You.
Posts be damned, they can’t edit views!
Dont Love It aka the real world thread: 6198
Loved It aka the needy convention fungoid thread: 1272
It’s traditionally run as high as 6 to 1 for the worst eps of all time so we should be on track to make the finale the most hated ep of all time. And rightly so. I would never bash Pilot or Exodus, I love them both. Virtually everything else- axe of men time.
That is what I liked about this Lost forum. Whatever it is, even if it is pro-Lost, it doesn’t get censored. At least a far as I have been able to tell.
I think they used to say this site hasn’t “gone communist”.
That isn’t to say there won’t be flaming. But hell, flaming is so expected, there is something wrong if it doesn’t happen. In fact I find at times some of the flames funnier than what is being flamed.
Think about this. It is a TV show. If someone says something disagreeable with about it, why in the world would they have to erase it? Just don’t agree with it and move the efff on.
Last week one of the mods said they would dump posts containing personal attacks. So I guess if you call Darlton a douchebag, you get dumped. Even though it’s demonstrably true.
Just curious. I can sorta guess what happened to the site by reading the comments, but did some people really try to bring it down? You cannot imagine how much I needed to read other like minded comments yesterday.
Lost Propaganda was in full swing after the finale.
I wonder actually. I don’t think Damon or Cuse have a collective spine between them, but I wouldn’t put it past ABC to sabotage this site.
Me neither, although lost sucks went to number 9 on google at the same time for searches, could just be the zeitgeist.
Actually it might be as simple as extreme religious nutjobs taking offense. After all, it seems they got plenty of time on their hands.
WhyLostSucks is the best friend ABC ever had. I would have stopped watching the show a long time ago if it hadn’t been for this site. It turns out the show is way more fun to make fun of than to watch seriously.
Nobody tried to bring down this site. Tyler is just the laziest person on the planet, with me in a close second. Love ya’ buddy!
Turns out traffic spiked like 100x normal, blew out the allowed bandwidth and froze the server.
Yep. I’ve experienced this before. Especially coming at the end of the month, a big spike can eat up all the bandwidth pretty quick.
Did you have to pay for an upgrade?
This was the worst final I ever seen in any series, the producers had raped us with this Bull Shit.
For example look at 24 after 8 seasons (2 more than Lost) they got a great and deserve ending for Jack Bauer, I love it how they end it. Basically it accomplish the following basic rules first the plot makes sense, then all the holes on the series are closed and ends in a way that doesn’t disappointed its fans, now why the hell did Lost producers/writters or who ever is responsible for this ending did not have a little chat with the 24 series crew? It would make everyone else happier.
The last I want to say is if any Lost fan at all liked this ending, if any fan believes that the producers got this plan all along (Like they always said to us), if you really think this then GOD HELP YOU MATE!!! BECAUSE YOU HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES OR YOU ARE JUST A STUPID FUCK!!
Any questions?
There is no time for answers.
BOOM
Lost
Wasn’t allowed to post in the Didn’t Love It thread until a few days after the finale. Hmm, wonder why that is. Unfortunately, unlike the writers, I have the mental capacity to follow through with things.
This episode was wrong on so many levels. In and of itself, it maintained the piss poor quality that has come to define Lost. See:
- Jack, doctor extraordinaire! ninja jumps that poor schmuck Smocke. Was the literary subtext of this scene that those pills Jack was addicted to were, in fact, steroids!? Another mystery kinda-sorta-but-not-really solved!
- Kate mows down some people (or mows-and-misses) with her AK-47 or whatever it was. Someone please look into this because this is a character show and I’m sure Kate’s preference in weapons will reveal the depths of her psyche. BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM! Now that is some great television.
- Terminatrix Kate screams, “I saved a bullet for YOU!”, kills that guy/god/unexplained thingamajig I didn’t care about anyway, makes out with Jack for a while, and then runs off yet again with Sawyer to start their grand new life, leaving room for a sequel to Lost titled “Kate’s Love Triangle and the Bermuda Triangle My Brain Disappeared Into.” Wait, don’t panic! They resolved it all in the afterlife! Jack/Kate and Sawyer/Juliet are soul mates – literally! Um, remind me, why are Sawyer and Juliet together again? Was their relationship another one of those important plot points that happened off-screen and had little to no explanation? I guess I should just go with it and try to muster up a few tears. That’s what a REAL fan would do, right?
- Don’t worry about the details. An emergency kit complete with blowtorch and duct tape will always be there to repair your mangled plot.
- Ben’s trapped under a tree, subtly and so emotionally referencing all of the other times the characters have been conveniently trapped beneath rubble. Unlike Juliet and Sun, Ben is slimy enough to wiggle his way out, blink-and-you’ll-miss-it style. Maybe when he turned the frozen donkey wheel and the island teleported, some of its stupid rubbed off on him.
Heck, even the recap before the actual episode was blatantly stupid. “The hardest thing for us as writers is killing off the characters.” You heard it from Darlton themselves! That totally explains why hundreds of characters have been killed off purely for shock value, including the majority of the original cast, at the expense of continuing character, relationship, and plot development.
But it’s all okay, because I got to see Charlie and Claire randomly reunite in the afterlife! All of those years of investment in those characters sure paid off!! To step outside of sarcasm for a moment, though, I honestly did find their reunion adorable, touching enough to cry about (mostly thanks to Dominic’s excellent acting), and gratifying on some level… the most shallow, superficial level possible, that is.
Why resolve Charlie and Claire’s relationship by having Claire properly mourn his death, receive Charlie’s ring and Greatest Hits list, and have his death significantly impact how her character develops? It’s so much easier to turn Claire into a zombie shortly following Charlie’s death, then have her not be a zombie anymore in season six because the writers feel like it, and then have them reunite in the afterlife because zombie island didn’t matter in the first place.
And this applies to the entire series, not just the fate of Charlie and Claire, which was but one shard of glass from the garbage dump I was forced to swallow. We got our thrilling little trip to Chuck-E-Cheese during the finale, but ultimately, this episode only proves how utterly pointless, poorly developed, and unresolved every single aspect of this show was, from Dharma to the love triangle.
I actually quite like fiction about the afterlife and would’ve been more than satisfied with such an ending, IF the writers had steadily built up the momentum to this conclusion from the beginning. Rather, they introduced more and more apparently irrelevant mysteries over the years, meanwhile forgoing character depth, development, and redemption for their beloved gimmicks. The writers can claim this is a character show all they want, but they abandoned the characters a long time ago, and this ending was really just one final slap in the face. The characters were given fake resolution in a fake world. Thanks for that, Darlton.
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Above is a Fuselage post of course.
Please note the bottom text- “disrespectful to VIPs” – that is the fig leaf for the thread purging.
EdMuse is a douchebag robot.
I actually read this on the fuselage. It helps establish context if you say above u posted it there and put it in quotes. Right now people misinterpret that to mean you are telling them that you weren’t “allowed to post in the Didn’t Love It thread until a few days after the finale. Hmm, wonder why that is. Unfortunately, unlike the writers, I have the mental capacity to follow through with things.”
Someone mentioned aspects of Christianity.
People on the island appear to live forever without even trying. Eternal life is the norm, no one (except the pregnent women for some reason we never find out) ever die of natural causes.
The Desmond character rolls his own stone. However in this case the light goes out. Smokie becomes mortal.
Jack rolls the stone back and the light comes back on.
That seems backward. Hm, that makes me think of John Lennon’s “bigger than ….” statement.
Ooooooo….. I’m shaking my jowls here. (I really don’t have jowels but if I did I’d be shaking them)
The pregnancy baybeeee thing might originally have been due to residual trace levels of christianity in the purgatory plan. Unborns go to limbo, not purgatory so little kids and the unborn would be heading off purgatory island to parts unknown and uncared of.
Yes I have heard that theory.
But it seems like the mommies get punished for this as well. No fair.
There was also one that people remain human in the purgatory and can conceive. But no new souls exist for the babies. (There was a movie based on this once)
I’m sure it all made sense to the writer who penned it, provided he and or she is the reincarnation of Jack the Ripper.
“WHORES! They’re all just filthy WHORES!”
That’s why my kid said. Shouldn’t plugging up the Light put out the Light? dumb
another case of so-painfully-stupid-pukster-didn’t-notice.
Colin72’s post over at fuselage:
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So Jin and Sun are once again moving on without their kid? I want to kick Jin and Sun’s Lindelofs and Cuses until they can’t speak English.
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Sawyer escapes by smacking Bad Ben, because everyone smacks Ben, and Locke lets Sawyer walk away and doesn’t kill him because he doesn’t.
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Desmond makes the Smoke Monster pinky swear that he won’t hurt Scruffy and Sassy if he helps destroy the island… which would kill everyone.
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Jin and Sun are all smiles, can speak English, and seem absolutely thrilled to be dead.
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Michael Giacchino must be paid per decibel.
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Mercifully we don’t have to hear much of the Driveshaft concert.
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Claire goes into labor as Desmond looks on with the smarmy self-satisfied grin often seen from pompous TV show creators.
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Jack somehow believes Desmond is going to become a weapon against Locke. Locke somehow believes Desmond is going to sink the island. They each came up with these theories the same way Lindelof and Cuse came up with this plot. They pulled it out of their magic caves.
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Now Desmond is in the very bowels of the island and we see a butt plug shaped stone protruding out of the island’s orifice….
……Desmond grunts and groans and finally manages to pull the plug free from the island’s hole.
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Jack kicks Locke over the cliff. Goodbye unnamed evil guy with ambiguous super powers acquired in an unknown way.
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Kate and Sawyer could help Jack re-butt plug the island but they decide to leave despite being told previously that everyone in the world would die if the butt was unplugged and the light went out.
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Who knows. Whatever. It’s almost over.
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Jack lays on the ground and laugh-cries.
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Hurley has a heart to heart with Ben in purgatory. Hurley tells Ben he was a great number two. Lost is a great number two. A great big smelly number two.
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Jack opens the coffin and there is no body. And then it happens… you were force fed one cheesy scene after another for over two hours… here comes a 10 minute enema.
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… and everyone is dead. Lost is dead.
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Last week on the forum someone compared Lost to a bad relationship and I said…
After Sunday I’m breaking things off. I’m going over to her apartment, getting back my CDs and sweatshirt and calling her a dirty slut.
Well… Lost, you are a dirty slut. You lied to me, faked it, and probably gave me an STD.
Scroll up.
Well… Lost, you are a dirty slut. You lied to me, faked it, and probably gave me an STD.
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Over at the Fuselage the mod’s would be twisting in their panties over a blatant double post infraction.
But I hate to break it to them over at the Fuse. If the characters on the show are dead, what does that make of the fans of who made love to their show? Or the mods who continue to help themselves to sloppy seconds and thirds?
Why is everyone so happy to be dead???
That’s my question too…
Dude I already kinda posted this. you just took the abridged version someone else quoted on The Fuselage.
Scandalous!
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Enjoy tonight. And thanks for all your love and support for the last six years. You’ve lifted us up.
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Remember. Let go. Move on. I will miss it more than I can ever say.
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But why didn’t anyone else become smoke monsters??? I thought “going into the light” was supposed to be a fate “worse than death”!!
Or is it only angsty preteens dressed in black that are allowed to become smoke monsters?
What the heck?
ARGH!
The plot device hole,
That really is the worst kind of plot hole, they introduce this thing two episodes ago and pretty much ignore it in the finale. It’s implied enrgy can be harassed to do almost anything by Dharma, MIB’s will uses it to turn him into black smoke, but in the finale it’s just the cork chamber that will murder you if your name isn’t Desmond.
Kate and Jack being all KILL KILL KILL about Smokey only proves his point, he should have just left the island as mortal it would have really broken the mold rather than having him go out in a Mortal Kombat fight. A character that is has been around for centuries, planning this day for centuries goes out like a bitch, it’s sloppy and cliche and was only there to service the Locke Vs. Jack storyline even though he isn’t Locke!
Did anybody see the people crying while watching the finale at the start of the Jimmy Kimmel special? Even grown men crying… I almost laughed myself off the couch.
My two cents: I think we are supposed to be under the assumption that everything that happened on the island was real. Only the b-universe was purgatory. I think this because of what Hurley says to Ben (indicating they had spent some quality alone time on the island). Also, if you watch the part with the fuselage on the beach again you can clearly see footprints and the huts/shelters the survivors built in the foreground. It was merely shown again to remind the viewers of where the gay little family started.
This is problematic for many reasons. The least of which is that in this scenario I’m to believe that the smoke monster, magic butt-plug, time travel, etc. were all real. The more problematic thing is that then the story seems to be all about Jack. Everybody was waiting for Jack, why didn’t they wait for Ana Lucia, Walt, Ben, Mr. Ecko, any of the other characters who weren’t ready to “move on” yet? Why was Aaron still a baby? Is he doomed to be a baby for eternity in the afterlife that waited beyond those doors? Why wasn’t Jin and Sun’s child there too? How could the story be told subjectively from Jack’s perspective when there were episodes he didn’t even appear in? Did the omniscient author/Deus Ex Machina magically project the events of “Across the Sea” into Jack’s head? If you look at the story from a third party perspective, none of this makes sense.
Clearly what happened is people guessed the purgatory ending and the creators then spent the next 5 seasons trying to throw them off the scent. It became a parade of ever more absurd red herrings. Hatch with computers in it? Okay, I’ll buy it. Time travel? Umm… I’m not sure about this shit anymore. Magical island vagina light? WTF? Are you kidding me? Then in the end: “Ta-da, well you were all kind of right”.
This ending was no better than Bobby Ewing in the shower, Bob Newhart waking up with Suzanne Pleashette, or the autistic kid in St. Elsewhere. It was also much worse than the much maligned Soprano’s ending, which actually made perfects sense. In a word: Indefensible.
Everyone died in the plane crash. Everyone else was already dead. Make peace with it. Go towards the light.
I’m not saying your wrong, but… quite frankly I’m not here to talk “Lost theories”. Either way, it sucked big, floppy, donkey dick. If you are right, all I can say is that was one unnecessarily complex vision of purgatory. That also still wouldn’t explain how the story was told from a third person perspective. Why and how did we see the story of Jacob and the MiB? Oh God… Fuck it. I’m just glad it’s over.
The final scene of the Sopranos, even though I understand it was all from his perspective when his “lights” went out, should have been his blood splatting on A.J.’s face. I hated that cunt.
Well, most people loved Tony Soprano (I felt rather indifferent myself by the end of the show) and probably would have been pissed if he got wasted on screen.
I meant I hate A.J., Tony was a evil bastard by shows end but I was still rooting for him, as the other evil bastards were less likable.
They are all dead, Go towards the the light,…the light…
Yes, A.J. was a giant throbbing pussy.
All they will do in a year or two is come out and say yeah we had no clue, yeah we are so awesome for still spinning this epic, yeah that’s the way you do it.
All of which will distort the art of scriptwriting in the minds of some purchasers of scripts and make the job much harder than it already was. Talk about axing your competitors / brothers. Assclownery of cosmic proportions.
As for episode titles… They now seem either crude clues (This Island Is Death), laughably bad puns (Pilot) or so inaccurate as to suggest drug abuse (The Constant [he wasn't]), (What They DIed For [short answer: fuck all]), and so on.
Can some of you help me out on The Fuselage. Created a topic for “Plot Holes” and I am being slammed on there for having no immagination
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I feel for you Pukster, but I would rather drive a railroad spike through my temple than go anywhere near that site.
Dude, why bother? Two words…Kool Aid.
Walt? Did I hear Walt?
Walt is the biggest plot hole of all.
Say the whole thing is delusion. Walt leaves the island and is living back on the main land. We have seen him there.
He makes an appearance when he is trying to get Real-Locke to stop Jack from using the radio. How? Was it really smokie? That is the only solution I can come up with. But why would smokie try to prevent leaving the island? What was Jack really supposed to do and why the change in smokies personality? (This is a bit of digressing, sorry)
Say the original visit to the island is real which is a stretch. Then Walt lives in base-real-world mainland. Then why was he so important to the story?
Totally abandoned plot line unless anyone has anything better.
LOL one of the admins over at the fuselage posted this:
SamG: “A reminder
Courtesy to VIPs
Disrespectful personal comments about any VIP of this site or in connection to the show, are not tolerated. You are welcome to discuss their work, criticize their abilities as writers/actors/etc., and comment on their merits/performance, but personal attacks against them, anything regarded as a personal affront, is expressly against our rules.”
So saying Lindelof is queer and Cuse is a child murderer would be out?
Yes, as it happens the truth is not tolerated on that site
Fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke.
I’d love to see the financials on some of these sites. I wonder how much money ABC and the production companies paid out to these guys. That VIP Junket to Hawaii where well known “critics” were bought, sorry, brought along should automatically raise huge RED flags as their ability to “criticize” or write objectively. When you accept money or trips or gifts… you stop being a writer and start being a MARKETER. Period.
It makes me sick.
Go on to a few of these so called “fan sites” and you’ll see “guests” that post “observations” or “thoughts” who are also hocking their books about Lost. You can’t escape it…every few posts or so you’ll see “don’t forget to order my book!” or “Pre-order Lost on DVD from here!” or “T-shirts, mugs posters…on sale here!” And it just goes on.
Funny thing is, I’ve read some of the so called “thoughts” and
now that it’s over – THEY WERE ALL WRONG. But that hasn’t stopped them – they have zero shame.
It’s all about money.
That’s why the posts have been deleted.
And oh, by the way, I’m no communist. I’m all for free enterprise and making money. But posing as an “indepndent site” that invites you to post your ideas or questions, then deletes them or bans people when they write something that threatens their money flow is just plain wrong.
The thing I really don’t understand about this episode is why does Lock wants to sink the island? Why the hell he stays to sink the island? Why doesn’t he gets off the island for once and all? After all the waiting he is been doing for so long.
I really did not understand what is Locke objective in this season, first he kills Jacob, then he wants to leave the island, then he tries to kill the candidates and finally he tries to sink the island, what the fuck is that about?
Can someone explain this to me?
No.
=P
I think the only explanation for anything at this point is that Darlton are extremely poor writers.
Given Darlton’s eagerness to give interviews and volunteer theories about the island’s mysteries, I’d say their primary objective was to cast themselves in role of genius. They were so afraid we might not be smart enough to figure out what they were doing that they had to make sure they gave us lots of help, and occasionally, in case we might have forgotten, they felt compelled to remind us just how great they were. For example, I caught only part of the recap Sunday night, but it was enough to hear them comparing themselves to Shakespeare. Sadly enough, the scene they were talking about is when the nameless brother of Jacob kills his adoptive mother and THEN, when she is too incapacitated to answer, asks her why she did what she did. I think Darlton had in mind some of the mistaken identity and badly-informed murders that often occur in Shakespeare’s plays (as they did in the Greek tragedies), not an act of utter stupidity such as what they depicted. Sad, sad, sad.
BOOM
DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR
Ya, that Shakespeare comment was funny.
The Darlton giving too many interviews thing really bothered me.
Dudes, if the answers to your show are not on the screen, then your show sucks.
(The show would suck anyway, them constantly telling us how stupid we were for not getting their “special” creation was just the straw that stuck a needle in the eye of my camel.)
Absolutely. And the funny thing (to me) is: they’re terrible at it.
I saw about 5 minutes of the 2-hr. recap stuff, and Lindelof, when he’s not actually talking, looks like he’s part of a hostage video.
It makes completely no sense, I am Locke I make this master plan so I can convince Ben to kill Jacob and finally get rid of him so, I can finally leave this island but, Wait!!! I think is much better trying to sink the island and wait for Jack to became the new Jacob since I waited more than 1000 years to get out this island … I think I can wait 2 more episodes to leave the island.
Seriously What The Fuck?
So, my other question is what was the point of Locke killing Jacob if Jack replace him? Jacob died and what happen?
I don’t understand., what was the point of his dead?
Seriously What The Fuck?
There were several chances for him to get off the island actually. Jacob’s office was in the foot, so he couldn’t be everywhere to stop him.
Take a ride on Michael’s boat. He’s smoke so hide in there until someone takes the boat off the island. e.g. Michael.
Kill one of the sub crew red shirts and take their place until off island.
There are probably many other chances over the years.
Again, as I mentioned above, if smokie was Walt when he got Locke to try to stop Jack from using the radio, why on earth would he try to thwart outside contact?!
Besides, since Walt is still alive he couldn’t impersonate Walt in this scene anyway. Rule #544 violation! Smokie should have been slapped with a ticket.
I really don’t believe that Smokey was never Walt. I think that they thought for Smokey to be Locke only at the end of season 5 not before that, because I think that before the great plan of Smokey been Locke, Smokey was meant to be a Security System of the island, that is why of the Sonic Fence, even young french woman’s boyfriend says so.
I really think that the only reason that Smokey became Locke is to make another nonsense Season and get more money. I bet money they did not had that plan before season 5, I refuse to believe that.
Yeah. So that whole scene was bogus.
WTF am I saying. The whole show was bogus.
If I ever say I’m smart, just remind me that I watched this show. I’m a bone head.
“The Rules,” remember? LOL
We don’t have time for that right now.
questions will just lead to more questions.
yes actually, and so what? it’s called being a sentient fucking being, LOST, something your writers have barely passed at.
Lets start a big fuck you chain for the shit slinging
creators of lost. Reply to this comment with a Fuck You Guys
or something to that extent. Lets see how many people want to
say fuck you to these cocksuckers.
Fuck You Guys!!!
Fucking Bastards if I see you on the street run Mother Fuckers!!!
This show is going to be remember as the biggest Lie and Disappoint Ever!!!
FUCK YOU COCKSUCKERS!! I HOPE YOU DIE IN HELL WITH JACOB AND FUCKING SMOKEY AND YOUR STUPID ASS LIGHT!!!
Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You Fuck You in the ASS!!!
You guys are fucked-up.
Fuck you gay child murderers.
Darlton: lies make baby jesus cry. And you two extraordinarily rich, apparently.
Wads.
Fuck Sorry Bastards!
They died in the plane crash. Everyone else was already dead. Flee this purgatory, GO TOWARDS THE LIGHT, the light, go towards the light…
Did we abandoned are shit mailing scheme?
The finale rendered us shitless.
good one
At least, the only question that I am not able to answer is this : what the heck does NAMASTE means ?
Fuck off.
No, really. That’s what it means.
The sanskrit literally looks like a middle finger.
Not A thing Mattered, And So, The End.
Boom…
L O S T…
(play erie Lost music here)
On your knees an on my head.
Oh, I don’t me you. I mean that’s what it means.
Bah the beginning makes me wanna puke. They’re trying to hammer into us “You like these characters!”
Jack: “Jacob is sending us to another pointless jungle treks
haha meta: “jacob never tells anyone about anything.”
“thats true dude. hes worse than yoda”
“i got a bad feeling about this.”*dramatic shitsic*
no shit, sherlocke
hurley gave sayid a choice but not charlie. very losty consistence
how did sawyer know smokie intends to destroy the island?
i was right, it was bernard and rose saving desmond. didnt expect vincent though
barf, the corny sinjun theme tune
so richard alpert can now age, since jacobs death. and in that half hour,he grew a grey hair 2 cm long
how lame, lapetus lives
in case you havent noticed, i’m a pilot. and in case you havent noticed, that plane is stuck in the sand and pretty wrecked
more meta: smokie to jack “you were kinda like the obvious choice”
jack married to juliet, equally obvious
there are rules
whose rules?
dont worry about it, just trust me.
lol how sexist. sayid only gets out of the car when the aTTACker beat up a woman
haha shannon in a pile of trash
so boone had fond memories of the first season. unless he also gained the memories of his ghost
i think with al the schmalz, this is the most unbearable episode ever
ande how did desmond know the thing in the middle was a plug that could be lifted?
so it looks like i was also right about desmond sacrificing himslef
so jack saw claire earlier that day and didnt know the baby would come out in the next couple days?
did they even bother showing how they freed ben after they made such a big deal of the difficulty of the task
that sure is an old cockpit for a 2008 commercial plane
fuck they waste like 45 minutes for just showing how the altverse people gain their future memories. theyve been showing us this since desmond first crossed over
how utterly lame. jack dips the bottle in muddy water but when he lifts it up, its clear.
yeah those jet engines sure wont suck in all that sand and those leaves.
yeah no.
JET ENGINES DONT HAVE A REVERSE GEAR, YOU FUCKING MORONS!
Ah they go for the earth cracking under the plane cliché like Roland Emmerich’s 2012
The simplicity and rapidity of this repair begs the question why lapidus didnt try to do that 2 seasons ago, when they first crashed.
So the only thing desmond was good for was help smokie destroy the island, which begs the question why jacob made widmore bring him back to the island.
hm so those people who thought hurley would become jacob after he said “i’m just glad its not me” were right.
and ben becomes the next ricardo
ooh the coffin is empty. i expect christian to still be alive or be smokie or a ghost as the final “twist”
of course.
Ah they all died the day O 315 crashed. Very original, and not at all a theory that came up in season 1 and was dismissed by Darlton time and time again. Ah the altverse is the afterlife.
Also very original
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So basically the whole changing time in season 5 was pointless, as the altverse wasnt created because of their actions in the past, but is merely the afterlife
haha they couldnt get Mr eko in the afterlife
NOOOOOO, no nikki and paulo either!
Mr. Eko, Nikki, and Paulo no doubt failed the test, and became some of the “whispers” on the island… permanent Limbo I guess, or not.
This is insane terrible crap.
Oh, Mr. Eko. Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje quit. Did we ever find out why? Even Michelle Rodriguez made a cameo appearance. But no Mr. Eko (one of my favorite characters).
In fact that would have been a sure fire way for smokie to leave the island. Just convince the actor who was portraying him to quit. In this case Terry O’Quinn.
There. He’s back in Hawaii. Problem solved. Now everybody’s happy.
Lost logo (with no boom sound because it would have been the end, good riddance)
You hit so many good points, a couple I will mention that I was too shellshocked from the experience that is LOST to have noticed.
-It was BS that Sayid watched a man get brutally beaten, then goes to intervene when a girl is thrown in some trash. Guys have feelings too you know.
-Jack is a doctor, he should know not to let Claire out
-Why didn’t Lepidus make the repairs when he first crashed.
-Why would Jacob bring Desmond back if he’s only good for destroying the island.
Thanks.
Did anybody see the latest Simpsons episode?
The chalkboard scene reads:
END OF “LOST”: IT WAS ALL THE DOG’S DREAM. WATCH US.
Didn’t somebody here predict this last week?
Holy shit, I am blown away by how clueless you fuckers are. For a bunch of clowns who think they’re above everyone else on an intellectual level, it’s pretty pathetic that the majority of you idiots thought they were dead since season one. Mock the show all you want, mock the people who like the show all you want, and certainly feel free to mock me all you want, because at least I’m pretty secure that I’m not a dithering idiot like you fucktards are.
“They were dead since season one.” Jesus. You guys are seriously brain dead. It sort of makes me happy.
How much they payin ya?
You get to give darlton a BJ? For free?
“I’m pretty secure that I’m not a dithering idiot”
Well dude, at least you feel that way… By the way, is your name Carlton by any chance?
Dude I get the fucking ending with the Alt-universe purgatory and that everything on the island was real!!
What I don’t get is all the questions that they left behind like:
Why Walt was so especial?
Why Pregnant woman died on the island?
What was the statue for?
Why the other kidnap kids?
What was the temple for?
How come they did not died on the crash?
Why Richard said the island was hell?
and about 60 questions more I have in mind.
So, tell me Einstein what made you so happy of this season/episode?
I’m not sold that everything on the Island was real… I mean, falling out of the sky at 30,000 ft. and surviving? Smokemonsters? I think Christian may have been high when he said, everything that happened really happened. Think about it…
Well, supposedly it is real but, surviving the crash, smoke monsters, a temple, an island with a super magic light to protect, an island with healing powers, an island that kills pregnant woman, an island that can be moved, an island that can travel on time as ace said I don’t know if Christian was high when he said what he said. Because really if you think about it, I don’t think the island was real.
Thanks dude.
We should also focus on illogical plot elements they brought up this season: If Desmond was only good for Smokie to destroy the island, why the fuck did they bring him to it?
Christian said he was real too. Doesn’t really make sense, does it?
He said they were “real” in the ALT universe too. So why couldn’t they be ghosts in both realities.
I don’t think so myself, but I see where people might believe they died in the crash.
My theory (like it matters) is that the Island was a physical place they found, but it served as a gateway or Purgatory (for lack of a better word). They were tested on the Island. (dead or alive, who cares at this point). They then went to the ALT, a sort of waiting room before they passed on.
Told you it was all Scientology.
I knew it…
Is that what scientologists believe? Life as a test that determines how you will spend eternity is common to many religions.
Scientologists believe in one thing: To make money.
Flocke called his own bluff. He was in no mood for his own shenannigans and had had it up to HERE with his own smugness.
Jesus who died and left you the lost god buddass? I said they were dead during season one and I did not see anything to make me change my mind.
Just to let you know dude, I am going to let you know a tip that looks that the producers did not get so far:
THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE WATCHED LOST WAS TO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THE MYSTERIES, NOTHING MORE!! AT LEAST PEOPLE ON THIS SITE!!
So, if you don’t give as reasonably answers it is obvious that we are going to bitch about it and we are right about it!!!!
NOW YOU UNDERSTAND? THAT IS WHY THIS FUCKING ENDING BLOWS!!! BECAUSE HAD NO FUCKING ANSWERS!!! THEY DID NOT GIVE THE AUDIENCE WHAT THE AUDIENCE WANT IT!!!!
I’m with you pal, I think the island was supposed to be real. Which makes me hate the show even more, given all the sub-moronic, Xena Warrior Princess, glowing island vagina, bullshit that I’m supposed to think really happened. The truth is it doesn’t matter and more than likely the creators don’t even know what they meant by the end. One way or another LOST SUCKS!
Agreed. People are reading way too much into the shot of the airplane during the end credits. Like everything else on Lost, I’m sure that was chosen to seem vaguely cool and meaningful.
The fact is – Christian explicitly said that it was real 2 minutes before the show ended. That was the final word direct from the writers. Why question it? Yes, I know, half of what is told to the audience ends up being total fucking bullshit – but that is usually because of subsequent conflicting/invalidating events. That’s not the case here – it was literally the last thing we were told. The island was real, and as Nico so appropriately pointed out, that makes it only more stupid.
Now can we stop arguing about this and get back to what this site is all about – mercilessly picking apart the retarded spectacle that is Lost and the pathetic self-deluded justifications and denial of its die hard defenders. I was clearly looking forward to reading this way more than the finale itself, but between it being down for the first day and the fact that it resembles a Theories thread at the Fuselage more than whylostsucks, it has been quite a let down.
Yes, we should all agree that the island was real because that makes the whole show even shittier. If it was all in their heads before they died, the only question remaining is why that particular set of people (some of them passengers of O 815, others not) was involved in that hallucination/purgatory.
Yes it’s very likely that the writers didn’t give a shit about what it meant, as long as they got to drive home in their expensive cars.
Even if the island is, in the fictional universe of LOST, not real, they should still avoid plot holes as if it is real. If the story is, for example, someone’s dream, you don’t make it complete illogical crap. You know, just change the characters names in the middle of the story, the screen is blurry for 6 seasons, all the characters are out of focus…
That’s the problem here. In the fictional universe, everything contradicts everything else. Alice in Wonderland didn’t have any of these contradictions.
The whole show was dead since season one.
LOST sucks swamp water!
“Don’t go into the light!”
Some carryover from Tyler’s previous blog entry:
Comment by LOSTard
2010-05-23 16:44:31
Oh maybe it’s revealed that either Miles or Bernard and Rose helped out Desmond.
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Comment by Matt
2010-05-23 17:34:56
Someones been reading his spoilers and posting them as his own ‘brilliant’ theories.
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Comment by Nico Toscani
2010-05-23 19:05:04
I was careful to point out things I read online. I wouldn’t want to be blamed for how shitty this is going to be.
Comment by LOSTard
2010-05-25 12:35:25
Nope! What I wrote there was just the lamest, most derivative course of events I could think of.
Comment by Inherited Tiger
2010-05-23 21:10:05
Bad writer / good zen philosopher:
Do not seek answers because they will only beget more answers.
What-ev-er.
All they had to do was have one of the spooky characters quote the Cluney version of SOLARIS:
There are no answers. Only choices.
Would have actually fit the show perfectly, especially as the tagline for Season 6.
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Comment by LOSTard
2010-05-25 12:38:02
Ah yes.
Also Faraday was Snaut, or Snow, as he’s known in the English version of the book.
Thanks for reminding me of Faraday. What the HELL was he wearing during that concert? Did he think he was in an ’80s cover band? Sweet Jesus that was embarrassing. I’m guessing Jack is gonna have some company on that short bus.
He was still wearing it on Kimmel.
It was like a “Spinal Tap” concert.
HAHAHA… you’re absolutely right. If only a miniature Stonehenge had descended upon the stage, followed by dancing Druids. Dancing druids and roll credits!
I mean, I’m asking myself, how much more blacker can the black smoke monster be. And the answer is… None. None more black.
Can’t you change the dial of the smoke monster’s blackness to go up to 11?
To paraphrase Derek Smalls: “We’re very lucky in this show that we have two visionaries, Damon and Carlton, they’re like poets, like Shelley and Byron. They’re two distinct types of visionaries, it’s like fire and ice, basically. The show is somewhere in the middle of that, kind of like lukewarm water. “
How it should have ended:
Locke-monster to Desmond(in the well):
Locke: It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it’s told.
It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.
Would you fuck me? I’d fuck me. I’d fuck me hard.
Boom
LOST
I already said Carlton Cuse looks and sounds like Jame Gumb, so it makes sense.
Kate having entire episodes devoted to her every season in spite of everybody hating her and wanting her to die=The canary in the coalmine of LOST
No sorry ass kissers her killing off MIB does not redeem her it makes me hate her more, MIB was the star of this season and deserved a better and more complex fate than getting action movied off a cliff.
It’s funny to see how people listen to Damon and Carl’s joke laden BS, remember one of the important lines this season about not letting him speak a word to you? They try to act humble and jokey about everything to brainwash people into believing that it’s all about the characters and all the answers to everything are simply “just cuz” because they can’t come up with anything that they didn’t get out of watching Star Wars.
IMDB these douchebags, find out what they’re working on next, and seek your revenge…I’ll never watch anything by these two jerks, and a full scale boycott should be in order, as well as writing every film and television studio that you will never watch anything produced by these hucketers…hows that for an ending?
That is 2 of us.
No surprise why their first Trek film was a remake of Star Wars. Star Trek and TNG were about exploring the human condition and smart reinventions of classic morality plays not fun romps about exploding random bad dude that wants to blow up Earth. LOST was also like this in the first few seasons before Jacob entered the scene and the show became the battle of good and evil over exploring the complex nature of man.
Over the sea tries to explain Jacob and MIB’s characters but fails to give anything deeper than Jacob=good because….I have no idea why, I guess cause he didn’t want to leave this island
MIB=Evil because he questions his murdering not-mother and wanting to leave the island
Humanizing the big bad smoke monster into something more than some asshole that murders dudes to leave the island would have been remarkable instead he is the evil villain TM that gets kicked off a cliff.
Also what the fuck was up with ghost mother? Was she anything more than a reason to have MIB question his existence?
Star Wars wasn’t real. It was all R2D2’s electric dream!
Other than hard drugs Charlie et al, did anyone smoke good old plain pot in ANY episode?
That speaks volumes…
Locke mixed up some hallucinogens and drank it…and then had the audacity to pick on poor Charlie’s narcotics stash…hypocrite…
I know I did, it was the only way to get through Because they Left and What Kate Does
Amen.
Hey, I just went over to DRUDGE, and their BANNER headline said:
‘PLUG THE DAMN HOLE!’
Props dept should send the Island buttplug over to BP…
good one
If only Desmond were here to save us…
Since the “heart of the island” was a big glowing vagina and the water turned red when it was removed; I thought it was more like a giant tampon.
Awesome!!
You have the target again;
Douchè!
(so to speak)
Man is everyone here as butt hurt as I am about how this fucking show ended? Jesus I get to feeling better about it then I think about how I wasted 6 years of my life on this shit and I start to rage again.
BOOM
FUUUUUUUUUUKKKKK
It’s pretty bad.
Exactly!
Do you think Damon and Lindelof have checked out the amount of butthurt that is pounding down on them all across teh internets?
I figure Lindelof has a couple weeks to kill before he seriously gets started fucking up Star Trek II.
Oops. I meant Cuse and Lindelof.
they probably enjoy hurting each other’s butts so they don’t mind
So was Smokey’s real name “Lou Cipher”. I mean, they already had a “Christian Shepherd”, they just needed a “Lou Cipher” to complete their crappy ham-fisted symbolic name requirement.
Kristen at EW says his name was Samuel.
Like it matters.
His name was the same as that rare African bird. Nunya Bidniz.
Eh, Lou Cipher. I forgot all about that. Ham-fisted indeed.
Here’s another case of the finale being so bad that most people forgot or stopped caring about this guy’s name.
Man, Inherited Tiger and Rufus Pinochie win my dual award for best recent arrivals (unless those are just new handles, in which case I say IDENTIFY YOURSELVES you cheeky bastards).
What the hell took you so long to find us?
I normally don’t spend that much time online. I work away from the interwebs then have mad bursts where I am on it for work 24/7 and kill time on sites, pimp my stuff etc.
This site never blipped up on my radar.
Fate? Coincidence?
BOOM
LOST
Yeah, I’m pretty much glued to a computer all day at work or working from home. I therefore spend an inordinate amount of time fucking off on the internet as is to be expected.
One day early in season three I was filled with rage and typed “Lost sucks” into Google. SHAZAM! The legend of Nico Toscani was born (sorry…).
I’ve been enjoying this site vicariously for several years now — probably not long after you arrived on the scene, Nico. That was just about the time I was seriously considering giving up on LOST. Oddly enough, it was because of WhyLostSucks that I didn’t. It didn’t take long to realize that suffering through an episode of LOST was a small price to pay for being able to enjoy the theories and commentary that were posted here in subsequent days. And now it’s all over already. Man, that sucks!
Honestly I am very grateful to the writers of Lost because they cured me once and for all of the need to watch tv. Six years don’t seem to be too much time for a lesson like that. Now I have finally the strength to confine myself to
serious books and movies. “Relief washes over me in an awesome wave.”
I’m SO with you Max.
You’re like a guy who spent six years in the pen and was released for good behavior.
Amen. Lost was seriously the only show I watched on a regular basis. Season 6 pissed me off to no end and I feel robbed by the lame writers, but now that it’s all over there is a sense of relief in knowing I can go weeks without needing to turn the TV on…
So you got a good table? Tell me about Sri Lanka.
collegehumor.com/video:1936291
This asks a small fraction of the questions.
Wow that was good (that’s what she said btw)
So has anyone figured out MIB’s name?
If you take “JOHNNY” and add 2 vowels and 3 consonants all your Lost mysteries will be answered.
So is it safe to say that the real lost Easter Egg was Damon and Carlton doing the circlejerk tango? It boggles the mind that they actually shot a web video setting up the above riddle. Why all the foreplay Cuse and Lindelhof? Just go to a stripclub next time and entertain yourselves without dragging the tv audience into a retarded sweaty jungle fantasy world. Yes, we know you two got off on it all…
So after all is finally said and done, let’s get down to the solved mysteries score board:
Mysteries Solved: What is the Alt Verse
Mysteries Not Solved: Everything Else
Mysteries Solved that make sense or were brought up before Season 6: None
EXACTLY! It wasn’t a series finale at all.
“EXACTLY! It wasn’t a series finale at all.”
It was a good example of how to destroy a show for the “real” Lost fans.
Watch them do it again and again. They just can’t help themselves!
That is awesome!!! You cannot be anymore right than that!!
To summarize:
They crash landed on the island.
They walked through the jungle and cocked a lot of guns.
Some escaped…then crash landed on the island again.
Some escaped again.
Some died on the island.
Some stayed on the island.
They all eventually died.
They all (well, most) roamed purgatory until they could “let go” together.
The island has a tampon.
Pure, utter, fetid, steaming, pustulent drek.
The worst thing the writers could have done was to make Smokie mortal.
Gee Jack, better stop him! The world is not safe from this evil incarnate!
An elderly bald man with a Sailboat and a knife!
My God…Run for your lives!!!
LOL.
He’s faster going downhill in that wheelchair. Then once he catches you he’ll “make it hurt” by telling you long rambling stories about the Great Depression.
And all he wanted was to go “Home”.
Which we now know…was a retirement home in Florida.
Where he can invest in the bro/manzierre with Frank Costanza.
LOL
I like Terry. I do. He’s a good actor. And he seems like a good guy. But in some of those scenes…you’re right.
I kid, I kid… I’m hardly in peak physical condition myself. Like I tell people all the time: I’m still 220 lbs. of solid HS football muscle. It’s just covered by 40 lbs. of blubber these days. Thank God I’m tall.
LOL
I was on a live stream 5 or six episodes ago and many people there noticed the same thing. I believe it was Recon. Very noticeable…
Nothing says “el cheapo on a tight budget” like that garden party tent scene filmed in JJ’s backyard. Putting the show’s wrap-up party into the finale was a stroke of genius especially in these tight economic times. The cater’s all love you for doing that JJ. Or renting out a church for the final scenes? Although, that Doc Johnson Mega-Buttplug that Desmond and Jack wrestled with must have cost a pretty penny. Desmond pulled it out and Jack put it back in. Not returns on used sex toys.
Just got to say that seeing Faraday in that goofy hat masturbating away at the piano with the Brothers Widmore Band was the defining moment in the series for me. Faraday you sad sucker, you actually sat around patiently all season waiting for them to do that in the end with your character?
A more fitting end was using in corpse somehow to detonate jughead, but this season still would have shitted all over still.
If whatever, happened happened what the fuck was Faraday going on about variables? Did the explosion from jughead get sucked away from the island by the gravitational pull of Damon’s ego?
I said this in a post above, and I think it should be the epitaph of my final thread here:
If I ever say I’m smart, just remind me that I watched this show. I’m a bone head.
Ripping this show with all of you has been fun but I’m kind of tapped out here. I thought it would end better if I didn’t expect much but was still disappointed. Making fun of it is a way to cope but upon running out of humor my next course of action needs to be fight or flight and I choose flight. (If I fight, I have to think about the show some more)
As Sarah Palin might say, kinda got that free will thing a goin’ there.
I am moving on. Open Church Doors, please, HAL.
The fact that the finale and overall show was, in the end, so well-received actually had me downright depressed. We won some battles but we definitely lost the war.
I disagree. I think in a decade Lost will be a distant memory. I also think that those who do care to remember it will find themselves thinking it was vastly overrated at the time. Something along the lines of American Beauty.
I think in time we will find you are right.
We are getting over the shock of what Kimmel said “What just happened?”
It almost feels like getting dumped.
That is now. How often do you think about “Twin Peaks” (if you watched it). I thought it was good, the end was not great but it was better than this. And still it is a very distant memory for me.
I want to make that happen sooner than later.
I think of these Lost sites running down (not because I don’t like this one, I am still going to lurk it). Remember the movie “This… Silent… Earth” and everything shuts down.
That is what will eventually happen to Lost.
April 1st, 2011 this site will literally vanish from the face of the earth. The domain expires and Tyler had already made it abundantly clear he’s not going to renew it.
We have an end date! We know how it all ends! oh the meta-ness.
I liked American Beauty, but everyone knows the ending of Lost now, so what will be the great attraction in syndication?
It’s already in syndication, and nobody’s watching. Why would they?
I love the fact that my local station ran some eps at 11 pm on Saturday nights, then dumped the rest at around 3 am Sunday mornings. The station was getting more eyeballs and making more money by running 30-minute infomercials for boner pills.
Actually, if you want to hit them where it hurts…stop buying or shopping at the very sponsors who supported the show.
Start with Target.
If enough people did this (boycott) then it would make news and it would be harder for these guys to get another show off the ground.
Dude, I like Target. What, am I gonna’ pay full price for tube socks? Seriously though, I just think I’ll stick to not watching anything the creators are associated with. You can’t blame Target for sponsoring shitty TV. It’s not like they’re filtering money into Al Queda.
Don’t shoot the messenger – I am only pointing out what has worked in the past and where they actually get their money.
I didn’t say you’d like it or was easy…
I know, I’m just messing around. I do think of these things, believe me. I try to be as conscientious as possible about how I spend my money. I just thing about it more in terms of foreign policy, moral decisions and things of that nature. There’s nothing about TV that makes me passionate enough to boycott something. Maybe if they cancel Community…
♥ Community
ATTENTION WALMART SHOPPERS…
WILL ALL BLACK PEOPLE PLEASE LEAVE THE ISLAND!
( I really like Target too, so much so that we all around here I call it Targèt!)
I liked their version of Smokie. It made me feel like buying something at Target…
Yeah, I have to add after seeing the above comments, don’t boycott the sponsors. They probably didn’t know much about the show or the after math.
I thought the Target ads were better than the show.
Commercial television is still alive and it will function by sponsor until a new model of TV viewing comes about.
Even then, they still need bucks to produce. Just one of those “rules”, I guess.
Just got around to watching…
Jezus fckin christ…
Actually I was kinda happy it was so terrible, made it entertaining in that sort of way. At first it seemed like it was gonna be merely boring but not outright bad.
I accused Noel Murray over at the A.V. Club of being a Lost/ABC shill. He actually gave the Jacob/MIB glory hole cave flashback episode an A-, and the overall show an A-. And this is after sounding like somebody who would fit in perfectly here around the 4th season. I only point this out because he’s not just some internet fanboi, he’s been a respected critic for years (somebody who’s critiques I admire(d))
Sigh.
I don’t have a suitable darlton quote so I’ll have to settle for second best -Shakespeare-
“oftentimes the agents of our destruction lead us on in petty trifles, to betray us in deepest verity.”
big media mobilised behind this show. Nothing was accidental.
So true. So many internet tie-in side stories and things to keep us thinking of Lost when it wasn’t on. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
amen mofo
“I don’t have a suitable darlton quote so I’ll have to settle for second best -Shakespeare-”
niiice
I would point out that ANY major media critic is owned body and soul by the very people whose work they are supposed to be critiquing (the networks, movie studios and the larger, more insidious concerns that own them). Even the reviewers you think are beyond reproach are being manipulated on some level to help push product. Hell, they might not even be aware of it themselves.
So true – read what I wrote above…
We don’t have time for that now.
As I have said many times before, this show has to be looked at in 3 parts, Season 1 and most of 2, 3-5, and 6. Same characters and plot, but different results. Not that anyone cares but here’s my take on the ending and what it meant.
First, many have speculated they were all dead and died in the plane crash. I disagree. I think everything was straight forward until season 6. Did the island sink? No, that was the alternate verse that didn’t really exist. What happened (and excuse me for not reading previous posts so this might be redundant) is the plane crashed, they survived the crash, lived on the island for X amount of days, got off (Oceanic 6) or stayed (Sawyliet), then reunited on the island. Jack was not dead until he laid down in the field. Everyone else (Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Richard, and Frank) actually escaped and lived their lives off the island. Hurley and Ben were on the island for God knows how long as the new Jacob/Richard. What we saw was Jack’s perspective, so basically the alt world was these people running into each other because they were once all together on the island. Why was Jack the last one to realize? Doesn’t matter, as they all died at some point and then were thrust into the alt world to live their life there, as Christian put it, it was the pre-planned place they would all meet back up at. When did everyone else die? Doesn’t matter, they could have lived for decades beyond what Jack did, but his memory of them was at the time he died on the island. Again, Jack’s perspective and he only knew them until briefly after the island.
Yes, the whole Dharma thing was a red herring, the others were a distraction and plot points not answered or left a mystery were just side stories to divert attention. Darlton said from the beginning it wasn’t purgatory and in my theory that was correct. Yes the story sucked and moved at a snail’s pace most of season 6 but I think they did wrap it up from what they were getting at. Remember when Jacob and MIB were sitting on the beach? They said it always ends the same way, I think this was a reference to the fact that man will always think of himself first, and when Jack sacrificed himself for the good of the others (by this I mean Sawyer et al) it changed things.
So why weren’t Walt and Michael in the Church? Well, I think Harold Perrinau’s explanation on Jimmy Kimmel Live was good, he was trapped in purgatory on the island because he hadn’t redeemed himself or perhaps he went to hell. Walt, not sure. Notice Nikki, Paulo, Miles, Charlotte, Daniel, Physics teacher guy, Ana Lucia, and Mr. Echo were not there either. There may have been some others but I think the point was the people important to Jack were who were there.
Does it all matter in the end? Not really, the gigantic island mysteries ignored (any recall the giant box Ben referred to where you could wish for anything?) and all the side stories forgotten, who cares? I enjoyed making fun of it because now we know we were all right, it was a huge steaming pile of crap, we just noticed it before most people.
Tyler, JT, Mr and Mrs Lmeister, Nico, Laurent, Big Jim, rancid turkey, et al, thanks for the memorable exchanges that kept me sane the past 6 years. When this all started I was a brand new Air Force Captain and now an Army soon to be Major. Thanks for the memories and anyone is welcome to contact me (see link) or my e-mail is easily guessable (@hotmail, @gmail) as is my facebook page. I’m too busy to check this board often but will for a while.
CPT(P) Rob “Preevyet”, USA
(One Mystery revealed
Thanks again Preevyet. I will indeed make sure to keep in touch.
*sobs a big wet one, like those queers at the beginning of Kimmel*
You too, Preev. Stay safe.
And to whoever the fuck is pretending to me in the posts above, you’re doing a really shitty job of imitating my writing style. I don’t use ellipses, numbnuts.
It’s amazing what fun one can have playing with shit, no?
For years when people put out the bad ratings for Lost, the fans would say that it was because most people would download the show. Well I think most true fans would have made sure they were near a tv when the finale was on, yet it still got relatively low rating. So much for the ‘epic tv event of our time’ LOL.
Now we’re getting excuses that it was because people were having ‘viewing parties’ – well you don’t think people did this for other shows?
here’s a little piece about the ratings (only beat apprentice by about 4 million! hahahaha):
“It should come as no surprise that the highly anticipated Lost series finale handily beat The Celebrity Apprentice season finale, but the island’s swan song didn’t do nearly the numbers that other big finales have pulled off.
Lost drew a sturdy 13.5 million viewers (vs. Apprentice’s 9.3 million) – but that doesn’t even begin to put a dent in the behemoth numbers from the series finales of Seinfeld (76 million), Friends (52 million) and Everybody Loves Raymond (33 million).
That said, however, none of them even come close to the M*A*S*H finale, which nearly 122 million people tuned in for in 1983.”
That’s because M*A*S*H* was good (Seinfeld too, Friends and Raymond not so much). Those shows captured the Zeitgeist of the times (well, maybe not Raymond but the rest certainly did). Lost just tricked people into watching by pretending to be something it wasn’t.
“Lost just tricked people into watching by pretending to be something it wasn’t.”
Which, when you think about it, captures the Zeitgeist of our times perfectly.
Hmmm, I suppose you’re right. No wonder I’m always so nostalgic. Here I thought it was just old age.
13.5 million doesn’t sound very impressive, but it’s all relative. Like print media reading, TV entertainment watching has been dropping for years. I don’t keep track of statistics, so I couldn’t tell you whether the numbers you’re quoting are good or bad. You would need to show ratings for some comparable “major TV event” from recent history. Someone pointed out earlier advertising statistics for this show was quote:
“Over 45 minutes of adverts… at $900,000 per 30 second spot = over $81,000,000.00 for the final episode.”
So either the advertisers got ripped off or they paid a fair price because 13.5 million viewers is good numbers and/or the demographic of lost viewers is a desirable one to market to. I couldn’t even tell you whether $1.8 Million per minute is cheap or expensive. Sounds like a lot.
13.5 million for a show as hyped up as this one should be considered as a disappointment. Your usual weekly top 10 shows ratings wise average more than 13million per week.
Maybe the advertisers should ask for a refund. HA!
lost finale made them 92.8 mil.
Let’s not forget the premiere episode drew 22 million (if memory serves correctly). Which basically states about 9 million didn’t even care to see how it ended.
CPT(P) Preevyet
there were 30 million by season 2. so 20 million didn’t care
I know it’s been pointed out already, but my fiancee was so proud of herself for knowing jets don’t have a reverse gear (and would have sucked in half the jungle when the engines started). That made her laugh really hard.
Ya, fix the landing gear with duck tape and put it in reverse on that POS “runway.” Alright, here I go – OMG.
Well technically they do have a reverse. They are used for slowing the plane down on landing and _COULD_ be used to reverse the plane.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_reversal
Don’t go all Fuselage on us amigo. Just don’t.
Well the show sucked balls but a jet can go in reverse, just saying. Of course the amount of shit the jets would of injested would of trashed the engines. Nevermind the other ton of problems they had, not the least of which is the plane sinking 3 feet into the fucking sand.
Hate to agree with Lost In Space but I have been on several planes that have reversed out of the gate. Most of the time they use the towing truck but I have seen them first hand go in reverse. That being said, the amount of thrust required would have wound up the engines so high half the jungle would have FOD’d out the engines.
CPT(P) Preevyet
Yeah I know but that is not the point in this case- that jet was down and out. Duct tape? Hoverpony.
It’s all speculation at this point. But, there is no denying the finale was totally fucked, beyond my wildest cynical dreams. What assholes… I’m done. If they come out with an “answers” DVD, I’ll download the torrent for free – fuck them.
PS When I explained the show to my brother, who didn’t watch the show, said it sounded like “Jacobs Ladder.”
To add an “American” style happy ending possibility, the only twist necessary to the basic Nexus out of Star Trek Generations / Jacobs Ladder thingy is have them all hovering at death’s door like in Soul Survivor and have them go one way or the other as they either die or get brought back to life. Albeit in some cases as screaming chunks of perpetually diseased meat rolling around on gurneys a la One by Metallica.
has anyone here actually paid for the DVDs?
I got season 1 and 2 on dvd. I won’t buy the rest. Why give them money for a show that sucked at the end?
…..towards the light……..go towards the light………………..
I have only 1 comment to make.
Where the heck is a chuck-E-cheese when you need one?
You go down this street 3 blocks, turn right. Go 6.2 miles then turn right again. Look for the green and white mailbox turn there, then go another 2.7 miles and its on you right…..
I have a serious question:
Were the fish biscuits real?
Willy Wonka dude. Willy Wonka.
They’re as real as you want them to be!
Hoverpony Unicorn Fairy Dust Obama Hope and Change and Myspace.com!
Well i’ll probably be lingering around while this site is still alive, but I guess I should thank Tyler for spending time and money to put this site up.
Also, should thank the regulars that have been around since season 4. I know some of them got put off by trolls but they may be reading. It was a fun time bashing this show with everyone. If there’s a movie or any kind of spinoff i’ll expect to see you all again somewhere.
In the fashion of Lost, I’ll probably bump into one of you at a fried chicken place, one at an airport, one in a jail cell, one while buying new underwear, etc etc.
Thank you. Thank you all…
you all everybody
you all everybody
you all everybody
*guitar solo*
da da da da
you all everybody
you all everybody
you all everybody
*outro*
… underwear … that reminds me of someone else who was overrated and is now just a faded memory. I’m speaking of Michael Jackson. Just before he O.D’d, he was spotted by a reporter boogieing across an L.A. Mall parking lot. When the reporter said “Hey, Michael! What’s the rush?” Someone in his entourage said that Michael was hurrying over to Macy’s because he’d heard that little boys pants were half-off!
“Hurley, you have to do what you do best… take care of people”
*cue 80’s style tv show intro*
Uncle Stupid Fat Round Eye!
Stupid, fat, Uncle Round Eye…..
Something I posted in a friendlier forum, thought I’d share…
That’s what I said:
“What I find most interesting is that island Desmond lived as FSW Desmond , but after the effects of the electromagnetism wore off it appears they no longer shared the same mind anymore (Because Des thought unplugging the light pool would send him back there and nothing else mattered)…So I’m trying to figure out if FSW Des couldn’t share minds with island Des anymore how is it that FSW Des KNOW he was trying to get the others to escape purgatory rather than just remember there old self…”
This why everything that happened on the island was REAL because the island’s power and it’s ultimate location is a realm between life and death..That’s why Juliet said what she said, when she said it…The nuke created the tear and that made the ability to commune with the otherside more prevalent…Dez ultimately traveled to his deadzone self, got awoken a bit by Charlie, really got woke by Penny (to the point he passes out in FSW), but in-between island Dez losing that connection, FSW Dez was awoken to the FSW being purgatory, while the other Dez was just a passenger in his own body since he knew nothing of this…
Brilliant or yet another huge inconsistency…I think I know where you guys stand^^…
Um let’s read one sentence together. Part of a sentence even.
“This why everything that happened on the island was REAL because the island’s power and it’s ultimate location is a realm between life and death..”
It’s between life and death (as meaningful in vagary as “War on Terror”) and that is its power… And this is what makes it real.
That isn’t accurate enough to be wrong.
“That isn’t accurate enough to be wrong.”
Explain…
Nothing ascribed to being between two intellectual constructs such as capital L Life and capital D Death can be said to be real, in the normal meaning of the word real as in objective, physical etc. By definition you’ve gone from real to metaphysical. Thus, it can’t be real.
Also the reality acribed includes things that are not just improbable but IMPOSSIBLE. Again, the Venn Diagram for real versus unreal intersecting at metaphysical can’t have such things in the exclusively “real” part of the diagram.
And so on.
I’m saying the island is real in the sense that the mental time traveling des does has to have a templet for existing…If everything is purgatory, if they all died in the start there would be no need for one dez knowing it’s purgatory and the other dez thinking that purgatory is the real world…The island is the place between dimensions (between the mental-taveling both Dez and Juliet experience), therfore it must be REAL…That’s just to dispute the idiots that still think EVERYTHING was purgatory, but with that said I understand I’m opening myself up to flaming and ridicule for just putting this in words..I thought this was kinda interesting (The different motives of each Dez, eventhough they shared the same mind for a spell)…
Obviously I mean real as figuratively as I can given the circumstances of the show, but my main point was that the island experiences of our cast was REAL, only the FSW were purgatory…
Reality defined as “objective and physical” is an intellectually constructed viewpoint shared by certain cultures on this planet at this particular moment in space-time. Which makes that definition relative to say the least.
WIthin a more absolute reference frame, yes. Within the black and white “rules” dare I invoke them of script writing for genre television, no way. Real is cops and robbers, 24 and CSI. Plenty of bullshit in them but not to the extent of eg Smoke Monster.
A question of degree, and more fundamentally a question of plausibility versus realism.
But hey in this case it’s a cheap trick, not an error of scale or judgment. True.
Infected,
What I heard is that an assistant director shot the scene in the cave in Hawaii. The script was a heavily marked up and it wasn’t clear whether they were supposed to have Desmond disappear or not. So they shot it both ways. When the Darlton’s viewed the takes, they liked the look of the one where Desmond doesn’t disappear better so they went with that storyline, even though they knew it made very little sense. “It can’t be that arbitrary!” .. can it? Afraid so.
Spoken like someone’s whose name is Inherited Tiger…I imagine you have the YingYang tattooed on your entire back including Tony the Tiger in karate pants doing “classic stance”…
Um, I’m just replace the word “real” with “realer”, that might help…
Inherited Tiger refers to Hobbes. I don’t have any tats.
I absolutely agree that all definitions are subjective. But it’s still a question of context and intention when it comes to the here and now world of script writing and LOST. It began as one thing, ended as a garbled version of the same thing and in the middle… chaos.
Spellcheck: Um, I’m just LIKE replace the word “real” with “realer”, that might help…
@Sick Puppy, Unfortunately that sounds about right, but this is one blatant piece of potential randomness that seems very interesting…
I call literal tag battle!
Yo home’s what you infected with? AIDS?!?!
A tiger is a cat and a cat is also known as Pussy!
As I’ve stated further up this mind-numbing blog, the middle chaos, like Sanley Kubrick’s 2001 showing the boring endlessness of space travel by having the astronauts do boring endless shit, Darlton represented the chaos of the confusion of dis-embodied death experience by having 5 seasons of pointless chaos. The best way you can you have an audience experience the confusion of that experience is to confuse the crap out of them. If you’re confused, then Darlton’s done what they wanted!
No I do not have AIDS, I am “Infected” like Claire and Sayid were “infected” which means I just have questionable hair now…
Like that chick in the Ben Stiller movie
Now you’ve gone to far…I hope you go to the FSW world while you sleep tonight…
Ouch! sorry. just seeing were the boundary edges are. I’ve already been there by the way. Lived 2 years in Redondo Beach and two more in Santa Monica. I was at a roof top party in downtown LA and had a very strong sense of being dead and stuck in some bleak, concrete twilight-purgatory. Maybe I did die. Three people die every two days in LA just from traffic accidents. Of course, this being a lost sucks site, I should mention that using LA as a representation of a type of purgatory is fairly lazy and pat solution for the Lost writers to present us.
What I find questionable here is how can you be in purgatory and alive at the same time? Seems kind of foolish to me…..
I know it makes no sense that they are alive on the purgatory?
Seriously What The Fuck?
I was wondering when the king of the meercatz would show up
^^… FINI
Didnt Love It ie sane: 9,399
Loved It ie in line waiting for the next cult: 1,726
But main street’s still all cracked and broken!
Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
Episode was amazing. Show was amazing.
Amazing how bad they were.
Yes, the show was so amazingly bad!
Thanks.
Get a new word.
Go fuck yourself.
Nice comeback.
I fucked your son’s dog.
I hate you so much
We hate you so much
Dude seriously go get some help, you need a doctor or even been lock up on Hurley’s Hospital!!
Because just for you to understand the SHOW BLOWS!! THE ENDING BLOWS!!! THE EXPLANATION BLOWS!!!
IT SUCKED COCK!!! GET IT NOW?
Hey, you all everybody, I finally made it to the party. Better late then never eh. I can’t type a message because the damn thing won’t let me type anything. I type in a couple of words and wait five minutes for them to come up on the screen. This post has taken me a half hour already. I guess the LO$T gods are against me…..
^Goto “VEIW” on your browser and select “no page style” and you’ll be able to post freely, unless you still use Windows 95 which is a sure possibility with you…
Actually it is windows 3.0. I rebooted and it seems to be working now…..
I always figured you were using this.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4915875929930836239
(7 minutes in)
7 minutes in!!! That would take till tomorrow around 10 before I got that far with my piece of shit computer. It is XP but we have had it for like almost 8 years now. It was top of the line when we bought it. Now ir’s just old and tired like me. We have a better newer one but I don’t use it because I like checking out internet porn and my old lady uses it for her business so she don’t want to have to be fucking around with viruses and trojans all the time…..
I before E, except after C. If you can’t post, don’t blame the computer, blame yourself and never take PC fix-it advice from someone named Infected.
I think you’re just blowing smoke up our asses! The ending fulfilled your every dream and your not even sure why your looking at this “haters’ site.
Dang it Infected! Don’t help him! I was looking forward to a retaliation free bash-fest on ol’ SMOKIE NOT LOCKE. You know, we could all break his balls and imagine his impotent rage as he types o .. n ..e …l … e … t …t …e…r… …a….t …a… …t…i…m…..e…!
Thats some funny shit there…..
This was the best episode Lost ever did!! It was beautiful, moving and absolutely had me in whole body sobs all the way to the very end. When Vincent laid down next to Jack I absolutely lost it, and when James and Juliet were reconnected it was beautiful. Bravo Darlton…stunning…absolutely stunning!
The scenes at the church were beautifully done and going into the light was fitting and completely the way it should have ended. God bless you both, I am in awe!
Question.
Did the finale make sense to you as following on from season 6 and the rest of the show back to 1.1?
Rider.
If the answer is no, how did the non sequitur affect your enjoyment, if it did?
Thanks I really appreciate that. I hope you really enjoyed my end scene. It was all for people like you. God Bless.
Yeah dude black marbles up you ass…..
Hahahaha. You actually depended on that?!?
um … right … whole body sobs. That’s really funny! Some of you guys should write for TV.
Oh yeah, this is the perfect site to come and post some bullshit like that…..
Lisa I agree 100%, you’re a moron
Really? You are not kidding? Really?
It is true what they said then, “A Sucker is Born Every 2 minutes”.
Com on it sicked and sucked badly. Nothing was original all borrowed probably from all the chat rooms, hey what if they never really wrote anythingbut said they did and realy trolled the chart rooms and blogs
for good idead. maybe we wrote the show.
now they owe me 121 hours and my royalities
I’ve set up a simple poll on my blog- you can vote love or hate. There is no editing of the poll so it can’t get fuselaged in any way.
Click on my name for the link if you can be bothered.
Your blog is pretty awesome btw, I checked it out a few days ago.
Careful, a while back someone tried to advertise for their own site and the people here got very angry at him/her.
Nico,
I dig what you’re saying about no critic being beyond reproach, and unfortunately that might be true in this day and age.
The reason I point out the A.V. Club is that they still seem somewhat on the level, if not closer than others…
A little anecdote:
The AVclub is part of The Onion, and everybody’s heard of the Onion now. However, a dozen and some years ago it was only regularly available if you lived in Wisconsin or a nearby big city. (like Chicago) And the first few issues I didn’t realize the AVclub was “real”… As in, I thought it was satirically fake like the news stories in the Onion, because EVERY review was negative. It took me a short while to realize that not only were they real but very good. An on the level critic is really only going to adore a few things, and rightly lump most into the sub-mediocre category.
So, I still have a shred of faith but most of it has been shaken.
Oops, I meant to respond in the convo up above.
a dozn and some years ago. u must be like way old!
Lozl, that’s actually funny cuz in the AVclub thread somebody DEFENDING Noel Murray referred to him as a semi-random “internet blogger” and I was like “dude he’s been a respected critic for major newspapers (aside from the Onion) since before the internet was around!”
Ok, I gotta be fair… The scene of Jack dying and the dog keeping him company was very very good, but it was way too bittersweet. It just reminded me of how much this show has been a clusterfuck of squandered potential. (perhaps it’s fitting that is was one of the final scenes of the final episode)
Plus one scene doesn’t make a show, and a bunch of scenes don’t make a series, and that’s been the biggest problem. Too much focus on making an awesome scene or setting up an awesome premise or teasing with an awesome mystery, and with little to no thought in trying to string them together in any sort of cohesive and coherent manner.
People are reading way too much into the shot of the airplane during the end credits. Like everything else on Lost, I’m sure that was chosen to seem vaguely cool and meaningful.
The fact is – Christian explicitly said that it was real 2 minutes before the show ended. That was the final word direct from the writers. Why question it? Yes, I know, half of what is told to the audience ends up being total fucking bullshit – but that is usually because of subsequent conflicting/invalidating events. That’s not the case here – it was literally the last thing we were told. The island was real, and as Nico so appropriately pointed out, that makes it only more stupid.
Now can we stop arguing about this and get back to what this site is all about – mercilessly picking apart the retarded spectacle that is Lost and the pathetic self-deluded justifications and denial of its die hard defenders. I was clearly looking forward to reading this way more than the finale itself, but between it being down for the first day and the fact that it resembles a Theories thread at the Fuselage more than whylostsucks, it has been quite a let down.
Okay well let’s start with everyone’s favourite sob scene, Jack’s ticket is punched.
First, is Vincent his dog? Did he ever have the slightest connection to the dog?
Nope.
Second, why is the dog there?
Third, why didn’t it lick him all over like annoying animals always do in real life?
I like someone’s comment from above. “Enjoy your meal Vincent”
Vincent was Walt’s dog. They didn’t want to let him on the plane cuz he woulda shat big ol’ dog shits everywhere. So Vincent decided to keep Jack company as he lay dying, but didn’t lick him all over cuz he was disgusted by Kate’s scent.
It also explains that previously confusing bleeding cut on Jacks neck. Vincent feels sorry for Jack and to speed up his his dieing process, he helps him out in the only way a canine can by giving him the trachea crushing throat bite. Of course, one thing leads to another and before you can say flesh-eating-zombie half of Jacks face gets eaten off! No Vincent! Bad Dog!
Clever Hans posted this above. I’ll just repost it since I’m too stupid to learn how to link:
“You know why Victor re-emerged in the finale don’t you? Jack dying alone in the fronds—sad. Jack dying in the fronds with a loyal dog lying beside him—cue the waterworks.
Victor had no role in the finale, but they had to re-introduce him earlier on just so they could get this shot.
Make the chicks (and sensitive dudes) cry, and they’ll think you’re a genius.”
I wasn’t reading anything into it (unless this comment wasn’t directed towards me) I was just stating it was a well filmed, well edited and touching scene, if you look at is like a short film somehow not connected to Lost at all.
No, not directed at you, just at the whole debate over whether they had been dead from the very beginning. And I’m saying that the answer is no, because the last thing the show did was straight up tell us the answer is no.
I do think it’s likely, as some have posted above, that the island as purgatory theory was their original intent, but they dropped it when everyone guessed it in S1. Then, at the eleventh hour, once they shat themselves into a corner, they went back to it but made it slightly different, to take the easy way out while proving that they are smarter than everyone (because no one in season 1 guessed that the island was not purgatory but that the gimmick they would construct 5 years later would be).
It’s all a mental construct. All includes this sentence and the previous one.
not directed at you I am just trying to pull the hate lever often enough to keep my membership current.
The dam in my mind is breaking, and behind it is one big old EM pulse of pure venom.
yea, seriously, its like the Haters Ball skit on the Chappell show:
“Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate….!”
my suit is made out of your mom’s pubic hair
Is it salt n pepper suite or all gray.
O I know… MY comment was directed towards neveraskmethatagain.
When you pull that lever, what is the reward?
Or is it the same reward as what you feel when you press “Add comment”
It’s a Red Queen setup not a Skinner setup. Pull the lever to stay where you are.
Very LOST actually.
I thought (around the end of season one) that the show’s success would hinge on how the writers tied everything together where everything refers to the supernatural mysteries of the Island and how the LOSTies lives intersect even before the crash of Oceanic 815. Apologists want to shrug off the former but this is a big part of why I think the “it was all about the characters” crew is in denial:
John Locke’s biological father is the man who conned Sawyer’s parents;
Nadia had contact with Charlie and Locke;
Sawyer’s baby mama met Kate in Iowa so that would seem to have occurred before the season 1 crash;
Jack met Desmond at the stadium in LA;
Kate’s stepfather was Sayid’s captor;
Claire’s psychic was Mr. Eko’s acquaintance;
Locke’s supervisor was Hurley’s former supervisor;
Shannon’s father (Boone’s stepfather) was Jack’s patient and the perpetrator of his future wife’s car accident;
Sawyer’s girlfriend was Hurley’s lottery vendor; and
Ana Lucia’s partner was Hurley’s interrogator.
I’m not saying all these are hugely significant either but, based on the few of these we found out about in season 1 (not to mention the notion of the LOSTies having been chosen), I thought it reasonable to expect the hits, or coincidences, would keep on coming before finally culminating in a delicious narrative payoff.
None of it was real. It was all in the smoke monster’s mind. That was not really Christian at the end. It was smokey playing with Jack’s mind.
Question:
Why was Sun alive in the flash-forward future [as part of the Oceanic 6], but somehow drowned in the present day? Did I miss something, or is it yet another oversight on the part of the writers?
Maybe they just like making episodes where sexy leading ladies die in disturbing ways? Sort of a Mexican market kind of deal?
All non-white characters are one step above red-shirts. Mauve Shirts?
Goddam I wish Rose woulda died a gruesome death. And not because she’s black. In fact that’s the only thing she had going in her favor.
She was about the only one of the six that actually should have been aware of time as being level. The O6 found there way back and everybody jumped back in time. She always stayed in real time so she died in the sub at the right time…..
Lost seasons 1-4 were set in 2004-2005. The O6 were rescued in 2005. The flash forwards were set from 2005-2008-ish as were the off-island sequences of season 5. Season 6 was set after the flash forwards in 2008ish.
815 plane crash: 2004
Ajira plane crash: 2007
Sun's death: 2007
The thing that made Lost different from other shows–and thus so popular in the beginning–is that it made you think. All these mysteries…all these plot holes we were waiting to have filled that left us exploring all these possibilities in the meantime. Then, along comes season 6 and that horrible finale, and the show suddenly decided to cater to the mindless mob by giving them an emotional Grey’s Anatomy ending that provided nothing but tugs on our heart strings, leaving our brains totally ignored…like 99.5% of all other TV. Lost became the very thing it was supposed to be different from. It ended up being the con of the decade…
Besides that it was just… good.
I think last week somebody linked a story about how some of the main writers quit early in the series, allegedly because of the story quickly flying off the rails. You can almost pinpoint where the writing got abruptly worse, and that’s even ignoring the plot spiraling out of control. Just the dialogue and pacing of the scenes and so forth.
David Fury left in Season… gonna say 1. Anyway, he is magic, and when he left oh boy oh boy could you taste the difference.
I became emotionally detached in season four. So there is nothing to tug on in any direction. I have hated most of the cast for so long now that finding out that they all died at some time or another and the whole LO$T limbo shit was at best, kind if amusing…..
They should have them go out like the Wild Bunch. Or Butch and Sundance.
It would priceless if some hack did an “All I Ever Needed To Know I Learned From LOST” type book.
How to get information:
murder someone. Then ask them questions as they are dying. Do NOT under any circumstances ask even close acquaintances let alone loved ones, spouses or friends any normal questions. And NEVER under any circumstances voluntarily share information.
How to form close sexual relationships:
constantly hector and undermine the object of your affections, or simply ignore them or treat them like they’re retarded. This is such a turn on you’ll have them eating out of your hand or anywhere else you desire. Also, the sexiest imaginable place to get it on is a deserted beach on an island filled with hostiles and traps, or a massive cage. In any event make sure some creepy group of people is watching you make love- be it Others, undercover police on stakeout, or whatever.
Parenting:
All fathers are evil. All mothers are useless. Or evil. Children are best ignored. Unless you can get them kidnapped.
Medical Treatment:
A wizard did it.
Faith:
Something that requires proof.
Science:
Something that you have to take on trust.
Morbidly Obese People:
If they like Star Wars (and let’s face it, pretty much all of them do) they’re wonderful.
Psychosis:
Makes you more functional and gives you an eerie intuitive ability. See Locke, John; Reyes, Hugo; Lucia, Ana.
Also means you aren’t responsible for any of your actions. Including ones you take when sane.
Sanity:
Vastly overrated, and extremely dangerous since it doesn’t match reality at all. It’s far better to be strung out on drugs or simply insane. See: Psychosis, Faith, Science
Catholicism:
A religious equivalent of the Californian attitude to illegal immigrants. Also little more than black suit wearing version of Buddhism, which is itself basically equivalent to Islam, Confucianism, Zen and Satanism.
Religion:
Good, evil- they’re both excellent choices. Whatever floats your boat. Like M&Ms, they all come out the same color anyway.
LOL fantastic
A Hollywood ‘flat-land,’ ‘perennial’ viewpoint for sure. But hey, it’s still subliminally pushing the comfort zone of a huge portion of the audience. Meaning, to a lot of people, this was cutting edge TV. And, I know quite a few people who couldn’t gave a rats-ass about all the stuff obsessed about on this forum. And these people aren’t categorically mindless drones. Some are quite intelligent. They liked the characters and enjoyed the journey and aren’t terribly bothered about “what it all meant.” It’s just a fucking TV show that was entertaining to watch. Peroiod. The rest–in their minds–[including most of what takes place here]–is just mental masturbation. Uhhhgggg. Now I’m going to press “Add comment and ejaculate these words into this blog. Unnnnggggahhhh!
Drugs:
Are AWESOME. They are never addictive unless it’s dramatic and withdrawals only ever last four days or until someone hangs you. Also drugs make you grow a beard. Even if you’re a woman. If for some reason you can’t grow a beard whilst drugging, false beards are available.
Coffins:
Indestructible.
Tennis Shoes:
Little known fact: 7 out of 10 corpses prefer to wear white tennis shoes.
Staring:
When trying to communicate with someone, never forget- it is up to THEM to make the first and indeed all subsequent moves, for THEM to use their telepathy to understand you. ESPECIALLY when they want answers to simple questions. NEVER answer a question or make a simple statement when there is an opportunity to simply stare vacuously at someone.
If someone is staring at or near you, NEVER interrupt them unless or until they cease staring of their own accord, an overweight person runs up to interrupt you, a fight breaks out within earshot or you hear a whooshing noise.
Remember: staring at the object of your affection is NOT creepy, it means you really love them. Any fool can kiss them, tell them how much you care for them etc. It takes a GENIUS to communicate essentially random thought processes or dangerously long flashbacks by simply staring at someone. Or near someone. Or at all.
Flashbacks:
Although modern science in its ignorance will try and tell you that memory often presents us with a first person perspective, rarely remembers colors accurately and is frequently disjointed, in fact memories are simple compartmentalised miniature stories that all begin and end with a whooshing sound, have simple and unambiguous beginning middle and end, and occur in a third person perspective, frequently with a variety of visual effects, changing angles of view and filters.
Ok here’s a fun game. I accidentally created it last night.
Find somebody that was a previous fan of Lost but stopped watching the show. This probably would’ve happened in the middle of the third season. That seems to be the average time people gave up on it, either ignoring or being driven to WhyLostSucks levels of passion.
Refresh their memory if you have to, but this works best if the person clearly remembers the beginning and why they stopped watching.
Now, attempt to explain the rest of the series to them.
Don’t worry if you can’t, cuz remember, there are no winners in this game. Only losers.
It doesn’t matter how much you think Lost sucks, how much you think you’re aware of it’s retardation… I guarantee you will discover, through your attempt to fully explain the series to the person, Lost is at least 42 times more preposterously ridiculous than you previously realized.
This is me talking to my wife about LOST. I am the ex-fan, she is the never-was-a-fan, and her simplest innocent questions cause me to spiral off into apparent psychotic break territory. Then she always ends up saying, “how could anyone normal like that? It’s shit. Fancy getting that into a show, let alone one that doesn’t make any sense.”
Last night she cracked me up about LOST when I showed her the comedy alternate endings and she said,
“hey did people disappear from among the survivors, yeah? The best alternate ending would be the fat guy stayed fat because he ate them, and the end of the show is he’s the last one left sitting on a pile of skulls. This whole time he’s been this fat retard only really he’s a genius serial killer.”
Awesome woman.
Bros before Ho’s
“)
That’s a good game for people who aren’t lazy. For the rest, I recommend showing them one of the “LOST in x minutes” videos and then telling them what happened in the last season.
OK, so let me get this straight.
7 years of watching LOST, and I get the following results.
We got on a plane, we crashed, but didn’t die. We spent years trying to figure out how to get off the island, and finally some of us managed to leave. The rest of us stayed behind because an old cripple guy said we should. We then realized the ones who left made a big boo-boo and had to come back by getting on a plane together and flying on the same path we did before, and hopefully a magic light will bring us back to the magic island with our magic friends. WOW, that worked, we’re all back together, except for the black guy and his son who were killed off because the majority of TV audiences are white, but white people own dogs, so let’s keep the dog until the very, very, very end. Ok, anyway, we’re back together again, YAY, what now? I dunno, let’s ask Jacob, or as his friends call him Jacob. Now, common sense would tell you that only Hugo can see Jacob because, uhhh, um, Jacob likes fat chicks. So, Jacob says we have to protect this magic light that somehow appeared on this island a long time ago where this lady was, waiting to kill Jacob’s mother for no reason at all. Ok, not let’s protect the magic light (which everyone on earth with half a brain has already figured out is the light to heaven). OH NO, the black cloud of death (Satan) is really mad, he wants to get out of hell, we are probably being tested by god to take a side, good or evil, who will listen to satan? Not me, I listened to Jacob (Jesus) and I got to go to heaven through a church door, where little Ben sat outside because he was always naughty. Moral of the story: Don’t watch TV shows thinking the writers are smarter than you are, if you can’t think of a good ending, then neither can they, let’s just end it with a religious fairy tale, GODDAMNIT!!!!! Religion ruins EVERYTHING, even my favorite TV show….. The End.
Hey guys and girls, It’s been fun. It’s a shame I didn’t find this site 4 seasons ago. I can’t keep up with all these posts, and lets face it, I didn’t come here to discuss what LOST is, I came here to discuss why LOST is so terrible, and why Darlton should have barrels of shit delivered to their door.
If you want to get a hold of me, try pukster or puk on encyclopedia dramatica, or facebook.
adios
adios amigo.
See you on another website, brotha.
That was an awesome farewell post. Made. Of. Win.
Later mate!
Farewell!
Fuselage
Didn’t Love it: 10,523 views
Loved it: 1,908 views
Thank God !!!!
At least this poll is real is not like Dark UFO look the results:
Thank you for voting!
Awesome 63% (30,170 votes)
Great 13% (6,004 votes)
OK 10% (4,876 votes)
Poor 6% (2,618 votes)
Awful 8% (3,931 votes)
Total Votes: 47,599
It is fucking ridiculous that 63% find this episode Awesome!!!
It has to be some cheating there for sure, it makes no sense how people can be so retarded.
DarkUFO is fucking awesomely retarded. Not only has it shilled and backed up every fucking bullshit stagger the show has excreted rain or shine, it has always had these incredible polls with the world’s most bizarre fucking results.
They make the insanely positive heavens gaters on fuselage look like whyLOSTsucks.
DarkUFO polls is fucking bullshit, come one is like on tv.com and you see the rate they give every lost episode the minimum is a 9.2 superb, is like really? have you watched? how you seen how it suck, to rate it so high?
I really don’t if is the people who are retarded voting those scores or that the web masters cheat on the polls?
If I have to choose I will choose option number 2, for the love of god I hope is option number 2.
Apparently the webmaster at Dark is notorious for cheating on the polls and changing them outright.
He even bragged once about fixing polls on other sites.
That is the only logical explanation, because really more than 30,000 people think that the ending was awesome? Really? Come on!!! Stop Lying to us DarkUFO!!! The Fucking Madness is over at least be honest now with us. I am so glad this madness is over because that means that DarkUFO lying site is going to close very soon!!! Thank the Lord For That!!!
In reference to the overwhelmingly positive ratings of the finale on Dark’s site – 75% of all people have IQs at or bellow 100…so being in the majority isn’t always ideal
I think that I finally understand why the producers gave no answers in the final episode. The only logical explanation is that they tried to give us an answer with The whispers been ghosts and it suck!! and they knew it did so, they give up answering anything else because they knew that the end would suck even more if they did.
That has to be the reason why they did what they did, what you guys think?
After seen season 4, 5 and this one, but especially after they start with all the time travel crap at least I was expecting a horrendous ending for this show, I knew the producers / writers would not disappoint us because even I could not imagine how fuck up is this fuckers imagination to fuck this show so badly.
I just want to say that THANK GOD, THIS MADNESS IS OVER!!! FOR ONCE AT ALL!!!!
I just wondered : where did they find a christian church with the Yin & Yang symbol, the star of David and the christian cross mixed in a stained glass ?! Is this some kind of syndretism church or what ?
(see the father VS son’s scene).
By the way, I think I’m cursed : I can’t help but meet lost’s actors on every show I’m watching these days (Andrew Divoff in Martial Law S1ep7, L. Scott Caldwell in The Pretender S1ep1…).
And one last think : doesn’t it look like the Vincent of the last episode is not the Vincent of the first season ?
Vincent is Smokey! Vincent is Smokey! ZOMG!
Or not…
I was looking for a Church of the Subgenius icon in the stained glass, but I guess it’s not an important enough religion.
Not just Yin Yang symbol in the church, there are also muslim symbol and buddha statues inside the church
You folks do know that The End is actually based upon the theory of how shit happens in the world first postulated by Ike Turner, and I quote:
“Ike turner on holes:
“Everything is a hole. When you’re born, two holes — there’s a hole at the head of your penis, and you come out of a hole. So you come out, and everything is about holes. When you eat? Hole. When you breathe, it’s a hole. When you see, it’s a hole. When you hear, it’s a hole. And when you die, where you goin’? Right back in the hole. If you get too much money, you gonna be in a hole. If you don’t get enough, you’re definitely gonna be in a hole. So to me, the best thing to do is stop tryin’ to stay outta the hole: Get in the hole and find out what’s happenin’ with the hole and try to control the hole. And then you can have the hole, because you understand the hole.”
Is THAT NOT TRUE I ask you?
Embrace the Hole!
Hola!~
Shutup AssHole
holey crap
I’m traveling to Oxnard, CA this summer to visit family and am considering driving down to LA where, with luck on a pitstop, i’ll see D. & C. working at a Taco Bell, having been shitcanned, ostracized, and exhiled from Hollywood due to their horrendous writing skills. Justice served for several seasons of corny, lazy, unfocused stories that sucked.
Stories that nonetheless were often fun and funny to watch, despite the yawning they occasionally inspired and eye rolling they caused always.
Why would the Others have killed the Dharma Initiative workers by having Ben gas them? Weren’t the Others working for Jacob? That doesn’t seem like something that Jacob would do… murder women and children.
is that what God does in the Bible all the time?
That doesn’t matter anymore.
Jacob’s fake mother murdered lots of people and he was okay with it.
The viewer was also supposed to be okay with it.
Found an Easter Egg!
Lost’s version of the dumb blonde joke
LA X PartII
Juliet: “It worked.”
Yep, that was when the alt-verse was supposed to have been created by the time jumps.
What really worked if they all died?
“What really worked if they all died?”
Quoted for truth.
Jacob had a thing for numbers. NAMES ON THE WALL!! Aaaaarrrrgggh! OH MY GOD SOME ARE CROSSED OUT!
Hey dudez, remember when we were all like time travelling and saw a bunch of crazy stuff? I’m glad it’s over dude, totally. Oh chit oh chit, it’s the BUTTFUCK KLOWN MONSTER! Run dammit run, Dogan’s son played baseball. Dude really? Yeah. Dude whoooooaaa, oh chit oh chit, RUN!
Beware…during Jorge Garcia’s podcast he says the questions will be answered in the complete Dvd set. Don’t fall for it.
If Lindelof and Cuse mailed me a free box set, I still wouldn’t watch it.
Instead, I’d just forge their 2 autographs and sell it to whichever Lost rube made the highest bid. They’re used to being screwed and not knowing it.
Plan!
I ran into a question in the French version of Yahoo ! Answers.
“What do you think of the end of lost ?”
Answers :
“Every mysteries are explained in the last episodes. I admit that the end is strange, but it is a natural end to the history that begun in Across the Sea.”
“You are the one that have to answer the questions. Personally, I have no more questions, all the answers are given, you just have to be open-minded.”
“I loved it because it gave me strength to go on.”
“It was so moving, I cried all the way. By only regret is that we will never know for Walt.” WOW THAT’S FUCKING SMART !
So depressing…
Some very weak minds at work there.
Oh my, and it’s going on…
“I understood that all the questions are vain. The heart of the story is not the island, but the people who’re on it. I couldn’t have found a better end than this. Anyway, this show would have lost its tempo if it had tried to explain all the mysteries.
And, after all, isn’t LOST a science-fiction show ? If they’d tried to all explain, it would be boring, wouldn’t it ?”
Holy mother, I swear, if by chance I meet a LOST’s fan down in the street, I’ll measure his orbit’s width with my fists.
I understand you perfectly man!!! I feel doing the same thing to this cocksuckers producers!!
These mindsets help create and perpetuate world problems.
Missing WALT??
The French do love schwartzers, don’t they?
Typical Frog feeliè crap…you should see their UFO blog crapola…(apologies to French Canadians though)!
Alright, a racist.
“I loved it because it gave me strength to go on.”
Lol wut
I said I wouldn’t post here anymore, but hey, they said it wouldn’t be about purgatory.
First of all, about all you theories – don’t fall for that!
we could come up with a million different theories, which is exactly what the fucking writers want us to, because they themselves don’t have a good clear solution, so they keep it vague and hope we’ll fill the details by ourselves and attribute it to them. Basically it is very much like “cold reading” where you give vague statements and wait for your mark to fill in the information for you, letting him think you are all knowing. But here the reader is the mark and the “readee” is the con artist who give noncommittal but positive comments on the “guesses”.
It’s like those Far Asian whores:
oh, your cock so big, you tear my pussy, you yankee make my poo poo go hoo hoo.
now you can believe her or understand she’s playing you, what do I mean?
Fan 1 : I think that when Jack said in episode one… Dharma… budhist religion… then he himself is dead but… so vincent carries the souls. according to kabballah… so the purgatory is basically a big hall….
Darlton: ohh, you so smart, you make my pussy wet, you may have something there, you find everything. you yankee give me good fucky fucky.
Fan 2: Actually the island represents…. and then the black and white.. …the book “watership down”…Anagram… according to St. Augustine smoke is a representation of… …and when Vincent buttfucked Hur… …so the carrier of the souls…. Am I right?
Darlton: Oh, your cock tear my pussy, my pussy so wet, you so smart, you Yankee give good fucky fucky.
They’re playing you, for six seasons they’ve been throwing feces on a big canvas hoping for some of it to stick, and now they claim they got the Mona Lisa. No they don’t. They showed us an ink blot and knew the fans would see something, but it’s not there it’s in their mind.
If you want I can give you a “theory” where the island is purgatory.
Tyler, could you start another thread\article called “Aftermath” or something? This one is getting too long.
Oh it toooo long eh?
mister tyler yankee cock scare little miss xin-xu, is so long, me so small.
“That’s what she said.”
Let’s play with them !
Ex-Fan 48573039 : Actually, the island is a big, big, big chocolate pudding and all the people of the crashed plane are flies which evolved to raise a new religion, but the shaved Bigfoot company called The Others Inc. decided to eat flies cause it tastes good with chocolate.
Dlatron : hey, that seems pretty smart. In fact, that was what I had in mind since the first ep !
Jelson, you should have come up with this idea earlier, we could have made a show way too fun this way !
“Jelson, you should have come up with this idea earlier, we could have made a show way too fun this way !”
I wish I did.
But most mock theories we come up with (including yours) will be better than their “solution”; so it’s quite hard to “out-ridiculize” something that already is quite ridiculous.
But we can try.
SPOT ON!
They (Darleton, head writer, Abrams) all said at diff timed they were NOT in Purgatory
AND THEY WERE NOT DEAD!
Liars one and all.
people at the fuselage are quoting some of our posts here and including links to whylostsucks, but the links get deleted because this site is not “pg-13″ mods suck
Haha, douchewusses.
Fuck ‘em.
And their little sons’ dogs, too.
It doesn’t matter what the writers have to say any more. After the finale was broadcast the beast was complete and existed outside the realm of what the writers did or did not want.
So I had to come up with a theory that worked for me.
When the plane crashes we meet Jack at the moment of his death.
It is Purgatory and everyone else is already dead.
All are lost souls in varying degrees of fuckedupness.
There are no rules for time and space in a spritual realm. Newtons Laws don’t apply.
Then they moved towards the light and the show ends.
The End.
What about the scenes not involving him?
The finale still sucked!
It seems that things are winding down here, so I am going back to my job as a professional abyss gazer. I might pop in from time to time and will most certainly return on May 31, 2011 to kiss this place goodbye forever.
Again, thanks to all. This has consistently been the funniest, weirdest place on the internet for many years now. Keep in touch with me at AOL, username mintrubble71 if you like. I’m thinking about finally starting a blog (or at least getting a facebook page). If I do it I’ll post a link here.
Goodbye for now.
-Nick “Nico Toscani” B.
See you in another life.
Ciao, Nico.
Goodybe, hoss.
Posting again because the thread it was on was so dated, sorry:
I thought (around the end of season one) that the show’s success would hinge on how the writers tied everything together where everything refers to the supernatural mysteries of the Island and how the LOSTies lives intersect even before the crash of Oceanic 815. Apologists want to shrug off the former but this is a big part of why I think the “it was all about the characters” crew is in denial:
John Locke’s biological father is the man who conned Sawyer’s parents;
Nadia had contact with Charlie and Locke;
Sawyer’s baby mama met Kate in Iowa so that would seem to have occurred before the season 1 crash;
Jack met Desmond at the stadium in LA;
Kate’s stepfather was Sayid’s captor;
Claire’s psychic was Mr. Eko’s acquaintance;
Locke’s supervisor was Hurley’s former supervisor;
Shannon’s father (Boone’s stepfather) was Jack’s patient and the perpetrator of his future wife’s car accident;
Sawyer’s girlfriend was Hurley’s lottery vendor; and
Ana Lucia’s partner was Hurley’s interrogator.
I’m not saying all these are hugely significant either but, based on the few of these we found out about in season 1 (not to mention the notion of the LOSTies having been chosen), I thought it reasonable to expect the hits, or coincidences, would keep on coming before finally culminating in a delicious narrative payoff.
‘Chow,’ Nico!
I am so sorry, but I have to point out this “logical” interpretation of the train-wreck i.e. Lost, made by eonline:
It seems some people are having a hard time abiding by Lost’s final message: Let go and move on.
And by “some people,” I mean not only diehard fans—like, ahem, moi—but also casual viewers and people who tuned in for the very first time on Sunday night to see what Lost was all about. (Bat-poop crazy, but yes, they really did!)
I’m still getting bombarded by questions about the Lost finale, so if you, or any of your non-Lost-worshipping friends are still struggling to comprehend, here is a stripped-down guide to what Lost is all about (according to this here idiot)…
There is an island. It really exists, and the people on it do too.
At the heart of this island is a “Light.”
This Light is the good place you go to after you die where you get to reconnect with your loved ones in the afterlife. You can call it heaven, Nirvana, or whatever you like. It’s the most beautiful place you will ever see.
If the Light on the island goes out, you don’t get to be with your loved ones when you die. They simply “cease to exist.” And that is a very bad thing.
The Light on the island is so beautiful and powerful, that men will always try to get at it, study it and harness it–including most recently, a group of scientists called the Dharma Initiative who inhabited the island for many decades. They could never fully understand the island because they were men of science, not men of faith.
To make sure the Light isn’t destroyed by men like these, the island needs a Protector. (The Egyptians tried to build a giant Protector statue on the island, but it was reduced to a four-toed foot when a giant slave ship called the Black Rock hit it.)
ABC/MARIO PEREZ
The first Protector we met, Jacob, was sweet but a total dumbass who did exactly what his mother told him not to, and threw his brother Samuel (also called the Man in Black) into the Light. Samuel faced a fate “worse than death” (as his mother foretold), and became what Lost fans call “the Smoke Monster.” If this evil entity were to leave or destroy the island, all the evil would escape out into the world, and the Light/heaven would be no more.
Jacob needed to make sure that he had a successor, to prevent this from ever happening. There were no pure souls or babies on the island because of an atomic “incident” in 1977 that caused fertility issues. So Jacob selected “candidates” away from the island, went out into the world to meet them, touched them (so the Monster couldn’t kill them), and then brought them to the island by way of plane crash. (The Protector can also change the weather to make stuff like that happen–which is probably why the Dharma initiative also studied weather there.)
Jack Shepard was on that plane that came to the island. Oceanic 815. So were a lot of other really cool people who happened to look like TV stars: Sawyer, Kate, Sun, Jin, Sayid and Hurley. They crashed on the island, and they were alive.
They were Jacob’s “candidates.” It was their destiny to come to the island.
It was Jack’s destiny to kill the Smoke Monster and save the island. And he spent six seasons trying to figure it out.
In the meantime, the Smoke Monster was running around terrorizing/killing everyone, taking the form of dead people (he can do that) and manipulating a longtime island dweller, Ben, into doing his bidding. The Monster ultimately tricked Ben into killing Locke (a “candidate”) and Jacob. The Monster took the form of Locke.
And the island needed a new Protector.
ABC/Mario Perez
In the final season, we saw what appeared to be an alternate reality in which the passengers of Oceanic 815—including Jack Shepard—landed safely in Los Angeles, as if the plane had never crashed on the island. They basically spent the entire sixth season in this place trying to “let go” of their life’s biggest regrets/issues. (Ben’s guilt over killing his daughter Alex, Locke’s crippling problems with his father, Jin and Sun’s guilt over abandoning their daughter and not knowing if she’s OK, Hurley’s guilt over his money doing evil things, Sayid’s desire to save Shannon/Nadia, Claire’s guilt over planning to give away her baby, Jack’s desire to forgive his father and break the cycle by becoming a good father himself, etc…)
In the finale, we learned that this place (in which the flight landed safely) was a passageway from death into the Light/heaven. The characters we saw there had all died in different times in different places, and they met up in this place (where time is irrelevant) to work out their remaining regrets, reconnect with their loved ones, and move on to the Light together.
After Jack sacrificed himself to save the island, they all crossed over to the Light and lived blissfully ever after.
They lived together. And they did not die alone.
________
Make any sense? Maybe so, maybe not.
Do you agree? Maybe so, maybe not.
That’s really, ultimately, the beauty of the story of Lost. That it is so very open to interpretation.
Whether you loved or hated the finale (it’s no secret I loved it), one of the coolest things I’ve been hearing over the past few days is that some fans are liking it more the more they’ve thought about it. I think it’s a finale that grows on you, if you let it. How many other finales can say the same?
So now that you’ve had a few days to process it all, I’d love to hear from you fans below (and you can take the poll, just for fun).
Thank you eonline!!!!
The story of Lost is not open to interpretation in any meaningful way.
Let’s put it this way: in the first season of Lost, you wondered what the Island was, what the dark secrets of the main characters were, and wondered about the hatch, is there some purpose to the island, the numbers, etc. Speculation was fun at that point. There was anticipation of a story arc.
By the time we get to the finale, we now know that the island is about good and evil, it’s about letting go, it’s about heaven and love, it’s about a glowing cave. In other words, the island is a ridiculous, sappy, magic time-traveling cliche. What can you interpret now? You can only speculate about pointless details now. There is no story arc; each season the story departed 90 degrees into a newly added dimension.
Actually, the linear algebra analogy is quite good: each season was orthogonal to every other season, so together they form an orthonormal basis, therefore any explanation will always have an exact fit on this basis.
Great Explanation!!!
The only thing I do not get is if people died in different places/time that means that on the island they were alive so, the island is not a passage to heaven the island is real, right??
Wow with all that brilliance at work maybe they can now answer the real mysteries, like why people don’t bruise on scooby doo cartoons and why the brady children are all borderline retarded.
I just now figgerd out who to blame:
Twas Sayid.
If he just shot Desmond in the well,
All would be, well, WELL!
Know anyone else who could resist massive doses of electromagnetism long enough to pull the plug?
我爱迷失 我爱你们！
Please tell me this trasnlation is not right from your comment: “I love you I love Lost”. Because if It is I have to say “I hate you so much”.
Look at this shit. Some dudes theory.
“Okay, here it is. My not-quite-final theory about the Smoke Monster and what he was, along with what he was supposed to be. My assumptions are that Mother did indeed exhibit powers similar to that of Smokey. In addition, I don’t believe she was the first protector of the Island.
So, what did we know about Smokey? Or, what did we think we knew? We know that he was described as a security system for the Island. Many of us theorized earlier that he acted as a sort of judge, based in large part on his interactions with Eko (and later the Ben/Alex scene). We also know that MIB said Jacob stole his humanity.
I believe that the Smoke Monster is a power that is supposed to be given to the protector of the Island. Based mainly on inferring that Mother was both protector and monster, this is what made me reevaluate the Anubis carving:
As I mentioned earlier, I’m now interpreting this picture as Anubis welcoming the Smoke into himself, taking on the power to protect the heart, the source of life death and rebirth. MIB didn’t have a choice in the matter, seeing as how he was unconscious and all. He did want to use the power of the Island, though, so he was willing even if knocked out. Plus he was the fraternal twin of the Island, so maybe the DNA checks aren’t quite 100% in the cork pool and it thought he was Jacob. Either explanation would nail why Desmond and Jack didn’t turn into the monster. Neither wanted that power, and neither were protector at the time they went in the cave.
What we saw in the cave was the bodies of previous Island protectors, all having been discarded willingly in the cork room. This is why they weren’t flung out of the cave on a pillar of Smoke. They knew what they were getting into and accepted it. MIB had no idea what was going on, and suddenly after getting a second family-induced concussion in a day, he wakes up as an immortal being of smoke and energy, shitting himself and flying into the air because he could.
The protector is supposed to use that power to be a completely impartial judge of the people who come, to help those who have good intentions and to destroy those who don’t. Smokey used this to look into people and see whether they would be easily manipulated. Locke and Ben could. Eko couldn’t by the time he died. Which, for the record, is why I’m going to say Eko wasn’t in the church. Sure it was actually because of the actor, but I’m saying he died completely clean. He had no regrets about how he handled his life and had already moved on while he was alive. This judging ability is where the “stole my humanity” and “fate worse than death” come in. A judge has to be impartial and can’t be swayed by feelings or attachment. The smoke powers come at the expense of conscience and human attachment. This would explain why Mother was able to do such horrible things without remorse. She was protecting the Island and didn’t have the ability to care about who she hurt, because she had a job to do. Without the responsibility of protecting the Island, MIB became focused only on escaping and put the same detached reasoning into his plans.
Also on the Anubis note:
Hurley created the fuck out of that sideways universe to bring everybody together when they moved on. When he laughed about the rules and who created them, it was because he did himself but couldn’t explain that without spoiling the ending for Sayid.”
Anubis is the black jackal / dog who guards the border between life and death. Smoke going OUT of that demon god would make more sense.
This was over on DRUDGE today as a huge headline:
‘DID YOU PLUG THE HOLE YET, DADDY?’
Talk amongst yourselves…
The Barry Soetoro on the down low double meanings do my head in.
Youz prackly speakin de Ebonics, Tigre.
Shalom.
that long post above ^ lost my interest after 2nd sentence.
Don’t know if ppl have mentioned it before, but
what the fuck happened to all the black people?
I know seriously, irl, they realized “this is total shit” and jumped off the boat long before all the other idiot cast members. But seriously, the ending scene in the church totally looked like a KKK meeting.
I guess the writers believe black people don’t go to heaven?
Echo – killed by smokey for no apparent reason
Walt – ???
Michael – NO HEAVEN FOR YOU BUDDY
Well fuck you too you white prick writers!
okay, i guess the black lady and her husband that pulled desmond out of the well might have survived (they prolly got crushed by a falling mountain but who cares right?) but were they there at end?…don’t remember, I was too busy rolling my eyes and praying to God (hurley???) that they never make a movie.
Ya, I think Rose was the only to make it to the church. What the fuck happened to Walt? I guess Echo quit the show before the end so he doesn’t get to go to Heaven. Ridiculous
After the worst finale in history I did not care about the characters. I only wanted to care if they all made it out alive in the flash sideways universe.
They ruined a great show!
When are they making the Lost movie? Is anyone going to watch that one?
The movie will suck too. Don’t buy a ticket!
So, NOTHING about Walt, or the statue or about anything. A FUCKING CORK?? Really?? I would have been happier if they just said that Locke and MIB were magical wizards and Jack was a Jedi who defeated the wizard with a coconut light saber. I could have also shit a better ending into my toilet.
So, NOTHING about Walt, or the statue, the others, the dharma people, or about anything. A FUCKING CORK?? Really?? I would have been happier if they just said that Locke and MIB were magical wizards and Jack was a Jedi who defeated the wizard with a coconut light saber. I could have also shit a better ending into my toilet.
Also, it went from MIB needing everyone to go with him to leave…to him needing everyone dead to leave…to then just needing someone to pull the island’s butt plug.
Worse than the worst ending I could have ever imagined.
So, NOTHING about Walt, or the statue, the others, the dharma people, or about anything. A FUCKING CORK?? Really?? I would have been happier if they just said that Locke and MIB were magical wizards and Jack was a Jedi who defeated the wizard with a coconut light saber. I could have also shit a better ending into my toilet.
It went from MIB needing everyone to go with him to leave…to him needing everyone dead to leave…to then just needing someone to pull the island’s butt plug.
Why is that when MIB enters the glory cave that he turns into the smoke monster and his body ends up dead…but, if Jack or Desmond go through the glory hole, then they are perfectly fine.
The secret to the island was a fucking cork in a hole after 6 years of Lost.
AND WHAT THE FUCK WERE THE NUMBERS ALL ABOUT???
The numbers were the result Valenzetti Equation and predicts the exact number of years and months until humanity extinguishes itself and supposely that is why they were cursed. That is why Dharma Iniciative was build to change the result of that equation since it was too close to happen. At least that is what I thought that the numbers were and why the DI was build before this afterlife, good/evil, time travel and a lot more crap came along. But, I do not understand if the island is a purgatory or a place in the after life or whatever, how can they get out of there with a submarine or how did Michael get out with Walt since he was not on the Alt Universe or even how did Ben showed the game of the red sox winning the world series to Jack in that place? How he can know what is going on the real world in that place?
Can someone explain? Because I do not get it for me makes no sense this ending.
The numbers meant nothing. It was all a scam to get you to watch.
fuck lost fuck lost fuck lost fuck lost fuck lost fuck lost
i waste my time watching it with this bad final
Fuck Lost and its cunty season 6. Fuck Daemon Lindefag and his cousin Graham Chupta, the writers of this piece of shit $$$-hypocritical-shit. Fuck their polar bears and their men in blacks. Fuck the faggot fat shithead and his lottery numbers. Fuck the Sawyer moron and his manboobs. Fuck the AIDS-ridden musician. Fuck the old man in his wheelchair again and again. Fuck the retarded pregnant cunt and stomp on her foetus. Fuck the cancer-ridden triangle of fags with Sawyer, Jackass and the other annoying cunt. Fuck the black fart smoke shit that made absolutely no sense and sounded like a 1980s printer.
Fuck them all hard and deep until they cry for release, then fuck them more until they are nothing but a pus-filled, cum-drenched hole with no matter to it. And even then, fuck them deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper.
Don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
BUTTHEAD!
yay! first details from the epic 12 minutes hurley&ben adventures on the dvd!
sit down because this is big!
hurley and ben will discover jack’s body and they will realize that jacks’ tattoos are the same seen on a dharma station.
this is the amazing ongoing mystery of this awesome epilogue.
Plus we will discover:
the mystery of the Hurley Bird
the mystery of Locke’s fruit in mouth
the mystery of the Dharma beer,why was it warm?
the mystery behind Kate’s horse
how Hurley never lost weight(hint:cannibalism)
why Juliet was horny in the afterlife during the snack intercourse
why some people were missing from the church scene(hint:damon lindelof)
and some brand new mysteries:what’s the Super 8?
what’s inside the Lindelof and Abrahams magic box?
the connection between the Dharma van and Ollie Klublershturf vs the Nazis
It was a great show. I hate piss.
Lost pissed on itself! Lost sucks.
It was all a steaming pile of buttshit.
And then I pooted! And then I pooted!
And then I pooted! And then I pooted!
MY BUTT IS GAY. MY BUTT IS GAY.
OK, thats just peachy. Problem is trying to figure out what the hell is the matter with the rest of you…..
And in The End, they all died happily ever after. After 6 seasons of mysteries, clues, red herrings and a tapestry of compelling coincidences and intriguing imagery….Cuse and Lindelof dropped their pants, squatted in front of 20 million viewers and laid a steaming pile of odiferous excrement on the stage, put a decorative, tear-jerking picture of a sad clown on it…and called that the conclusion of the saga.
A valuable lesson learned: be careful of what you invest your precious time in, because not all that starts well, ends well, especially if you’re an unfortunate, noncreative writer and producer who stole the mythologies of others, sold his soul for a enigmatic tale he couldn’t possibly end…and found himself 6 years later crapping into his hat….in the Twilight Zone.
(Rod Serling has left the building)
HEY ROD! WANNA FIGHT? IF I WIN I SUCK YOUR NIPPLES. READY?
GO!
As soon as the big black fart turned up the hole concept went down the drain.
A few days I’ll never get back. nice job .. and on top of that those religion shit KOTZ
Am i alone??
YES!!!!!
Am i alone??
Am i alone??
Don’t make me tell you again…..
BUTT POOT AND SHIT STAR
BUTT POOT AND SHIT STAR
Just what in the hell does that mean anyway? I am beginning to think you are a Russian spy or something like that…..
Doo stinkin butt balls!
Oink, oink, oink, oink, oink,
DOO DOO STINKIN BUTT BALLS!!
But that’s just window-dressing.
mOM?
Who did you think it was?
I knew it was you the whole time…..
I HAVE SAID IT AGAIN AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN: LOST IS GARBAGE. IT IS A SCAM AND THE WRITERS SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR THEIR CRIMES.
I’M GLAD WE HAVE THIS SITE. I’M SURE IT WILL PISS OFF THE FAN BOYS AND THE APOLOGISTS WHO I THINK ARE ALREADY INFESTING THIS SITE. I DON’T SEE HOW ANYONE CAN BE SATISFIED WITH THE CRAPPY ENDING OR HOW THEY ATTEMPTED TO ANSWER THE SOME OF MYSTERIES AND COMPLETELY IGNORED THE REST (KINDA LIKE WHATEVER LOSERS WE GOT OUR MONEY – SO LONG SUCKERS HA AH HA!!!), UNLESS THEY ARE REALLY REALLY STUPID OR HAVE EXTREMELY LOW EXPECTATIONS/STANDARDS. OOPS SUCH A LONG SENTENCE I HOPE I DIDN’T MAKE THE FAN BOYS AND THE APOLOGIST HURT THEIR HEADS. AND YES MY CAPLOCK KEY IS BROKEN SO deal with it.
Damn dude, sorry about your caps lock button. That kinda sucks. Everybody will think your angry or your underwear is to small and it has your junk all kinds of cramped up or something…..